A new study has revealed that despite the hookup culture created by Tinder et al, young people are actually having less sex than the generation before them. A quick google search reveals journalists desperate to explain this phenomena in a sensible and politically correct manner.
http://qz.com/748655/millennials-arent-having-sex/
http://time.com/4435058/millennials-virgins-sex/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/health/millennials-less-sex-than-gen-x/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/03/millennials-dont-have-sex
I skimmed all of these articles. They blame various factors: they say we're too busy, they say it's because we're living at home, they say we're more aware of the dangers of STDs, and they even suggest that women are afraid of "slut shaming." None of these piss poor excuses come even remotely close to providing satisfying explanation for why an animal species would willfully abstain from spreading its genes to the next generation. I looked through all of these, seeking the elephant in the room. None of them used the "f" word. Page searches for "feminism" returned zero results.
Which brings us to the amusing truth. Milo Yiannopolous, always ahead of everyone else, predicted and explained this sexual exodus years ago.
The truth of the matter is incredibly simple. Feminism has ruined the Western woman.
Tumblr, the blogosphere, and the MSM tell men that in order to win a woman's affections, you must become a goony beta weenie with no self respect who does everything that women tells him to do. This creates a short supply of good men.
Meanwhile, these same sources tell women that men are a bunch of animals who want to savagely beat them and rape them. Bitter older women past the wall rant about how men are the enemy who must be hated, creating an anti-male circlejerk. In order to conform to the groupthink, as women so often do, younger women pile on and agree to their man-hating sentiments. In solidarity with their unfuckable foremothers, they cut their hair short, get fat, and become equally unfuckable, somehow convincing themselves that this is what they "want." This flies in the face of what women really want - to be protected and nurtured in the company of high-quality men. The Feminine Imperative has eaten its own tail. In trying to create a world where women have everything, it's created one where many of them have nothing.
Meanwhile, feminism has ruined things on the other side of the aisle, too. Men are looking at the product of this cultural virus and saying "yeah, these people aren't worth fucking," and sticking to their porn and video games. Here's the secret about us dudes; most of us really do want the company of women, just as much as they want ours. But a simple cost/benefit analysis of the dating market reveals a whole lot of the former, significantly overshadowing the latter. Maybe you'll really hit the anti-lottery and get a false rape claim and have your life ruined. Maybe you'll play the long game, get married, and lose everything in a divorce. Or, even on a smaller scale, maybe you'll just discover that these fucking cunts aren't any fun to be around.
The result of this loser's game is that lots of desperate young people are ending up alone. Men become unfuckable beta weenies. Women become unfuckable, neurotic cunts. Everyone loses.
TLDR: millennials are fucking less. Feminism is to blame. Don't be a beta weenie. Don't surrender your life to a neurotic cunt who doesn't appreciate you.
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eftresq 7y ago
Let's add too much fappin too. Side effects there of. Porn ain't healthy
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Tangyapricot 7y ago
I'm a female- and I basically stopped having sex since my last boyfriend broke up with me via text message. I feel like the cause (for me at least) is technology. A few years ago, by a 3rd date, we had been talking on the phone for a few minutes every night; and had trust and rapport established, and they usually didn't have the time to be calling multiple girls. Now, since tinder and texting, everyone I know is dating multiple people, a lot of people are rejecting people for ridiculous reasons; and all of these rejections are treated through the silent treatment(ghosting). I don't want to get my feelings hurt right now- I just graduated and started working - and I don't want to sleep around or hook up with a guy that sleeps around. All my boyfriends in college, we would have sex by the 3rd or 4th date and then start dating and have more frequent communication. I love sex, but I don't feel comfortable having it outside of relationships; and the phone phone was MUCH more conducive for relationships than texting.
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I fully intend on taking advantage of the situation. If younger women aren't getting hit on by the candy asses, or are getting stood up by Chad, I'll happily give them an alternative for the night.
ErectileReptile6969 7y ago
Maybe its because most women and men are fat now and no one wants to fuck fatties, not even other fatties
[deleted] 7y ago
I can say this... millennial girls are having sex... with Gen-X men.
youth and agility vs. age and treachery.
[deleted] 7y ago
On one hand women never gave me 5 minutes of their time for decades. On the other hand though I failed as a "man". No social skills, no muscle, no confidence.
On one hand people tell me sex is great and I should have it. On the other hand people tell me it will bring STDs, pregnancies, and drama. People tell me American women have tons of promiscuous sex with alphas and eventually find a beta. I shouldn't care how many partners a woman has had but I do. I definitely don't want to be the last guy in a long line. I don't really want to be in the line at all.
On one hand I'm successful. Good friends, good job, good health. On the other hand I'm the most miserable I've ever been.
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[deleted] 7y ago
This is quite an interesting analysis and differs a lot from another one I have read in the Manosphere.
The other theory was that in general women are attracted only to the top 20% of men. This means that in a free society in which they are not forced to marry, they won't even consider the rest.
I must say your analysis makes more sense, because this one I heard of kind of takes the concept of hypergamy so much to the extreme that it is hard to take it seriously if you just have a look around and see all those couples walking by. More than 20% of men actually has a life.
Yet what kind of life perhaps is more of an issue. In the UK, I often see spectacularly handsome guys with very fat girls. I'm sure there are other men who would rather play video games than date someone similar.
So yes, a combination of factors.
Pervertperfecto 7y ago
I doubt it's feminism... I'm certainly not one but it's clear to see the men that don't go out and have sex are the ones that are too insecure, don't wanna be shot down, pussies, who are content mastrubating and complaining how lonely they are.
hwatamidoing 7y ago
Although it's a bit of an excuse the living at home part makes sense. I just graduated college and with my student loan debt and lack of job I've moved in with me parents for a few months, which has a significant effect on taking girls home, or my sex life in general.
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stawek 7y ago
The 5% of Chads just can't keep up... I mean, they need to sleep some time.
Stonish 7y ago
I thought it's just my still uncured beta trait that I prefer to get a hooker instead of dealing with women in my free time. Now I'm not that sure about it. Hmm.
Soarinc 7y ago
Great write-up, do you think this is the natural course of societal evolution given how social media basically exists to get women laid whenever they have the whim?
Momo_dollar 7y ago
No disrespect to people on the RP, but maybe another one of the many reasons for this is because a lot of guys seem to view women as if they're a different species. Kinda like scientist observing dolphins and at first thinking they're the cutest, most friendliest things on earth, then slowly noticing hold up these dolphins occasionally do shitty things, hold up sometimes these dolphins are cruel and malicious , until finally all they see is only negativity from the dolphins and all they report ( from tinted lenses) are negative things that confirm their view that yes the dolphins are a bunch of cunts, and not the sweet Flipper they were led to believe.
I say this not based on RP itself, or older posts, but mostly the posts I've noticed over the past 8 months and the comments. People have lost the point, the point is women are psychologically different to men, so adapt how you deal with women and what you expect from women. The point is also women are not the princess' made out on TV and all that fairer sex shit is BS, women play just as dirty as men and often dirtier then average men. But ultimately most average (intelligence) women have a limited and predictable tool set of games and tricks that they can play.
What constantly going about 80/20, posting shit about girls cheating will achieve I have no clue. You can't get pussy if you resent or hate , you can get pussy or at the very least not get played by women if you know and understand how they work.
StraightGuy69 7y ago
But why is the same trend present in Japan, a country where feminism has gained little ground?
Limekill 7y ago
Actually there are a lot of BP shit in japan, the first being is that after a child is born the child will sleep in the same bed as husband and wife for up to 3 years.
Does that sound RP to you?
The samurai thing is dead. Boys can become company men to earn $$$ but its a shitty existence (work 80hrs) and company security is reducing rapidly (so less and less benefit).
So guys are saying no and working in low paying jobs - but women want guys who are earning bank; the guys know this so just become grass eating men and checking out.
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Lol this sub is the biggest you i've ever Seen ????
[deleted] 7y ago
Oh no. Our generation has stopped fucking like rabbits. We need our top men on this problem immediately.
/deadpan
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thesimpleone112 7y ago
No surprise there. I mean no one keeps their virginity these days. And with all the STDs out there, who'd want that? According to an article I read awhile, 1 out of 4 women have an STDs. I'm probably one of the few men who is still a virgin.
I blame Feminism & the Sexual Revolution. It's all an attack on the nuclear family
BadBoy04 7y ago
The Internet/Amazon allows us to easily ignore the 99 shitty widgets, & find the great, 5 star, one with 99% approval.
Virtually all healthy women have the resources to acquire the 5 star services for a night or two. I assume this technology will continue to weed out the sub 5 star companions.
Unless women come to realize they would like to keep their companions, rather than just co-use them for a week or so, this trend should continue. It definitely will continue on Tinder, as the point of the thing is to "hook up".
The very attractive men who had a hand in cultivating all this are absolutely genius.. assuming they don't ever care about anything more than having sex with all the attractive women out there.
Steve_Wiener 7y ago
millennial men are having less sex
FTFY
broodmetal 7y ago
I'm thinking it's more because most young people don't have relationships. The ones that do aren't in them very long. I'd be willing to bet the number of partners one has is higher than ever, but overall sex count is down because people aren't together for significant periods of time.
Limekill 7y ago
Perhaps, but I think its really following paretos law.
After WW2 - 1 man = 1 woman / Now - 1 man =6 women OR 0 women.
Go look at the body building forums tinder "test" accounts - good looking guys (top 5%) literally have women say autistic (and debauchery) things in the hope the guy will fuck them.
x0diego0x 7y ago
Really good post. I had already read the Sexodus post 1, I did it again and enjoyed it, Milo is a genius.
I'd like to think western culture will prevail somehow, but if feminist trends aren't reversed, muslims will come to replace your low fertility rates. They are hard alphas. Violent, sexists and misoginistic. Eventually feminists will go to their arms if native men don't care about it, and I'm sure they have reasons to not care. But I don't want to imagine a muslim Europe for 2 reasons. First, western culture is good. We have limited but enjoyable freedoms, separation from church and state, democracy, freedom of speech and thought, etc. Those are good things that humanity shouldn't lose. The other reason is military power. If fertility rates remain, we will see a lot of new ethnicities flourish, mostly muslims, and I wonder what the fuck is going to happen when a democratic muslim majority choose the leader that controls your huge military.
stawek 7y ago
Before that happens the military will go to shit anyways. And the minorities will vote in disarmament to increase welfare.
Highly_Tingled 7y ago
Modern feminism is but a boil on the ass of modern western society.
It has to go .
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Whereas I can't disagree that women do have the upper hand in choosing sex, I can tell you, coming from a guy who used to hate women, it's better to just not care about if they have the upper hand or not, they're people, just like you and me, they do get to pick who they want to fuck, but aside from that who cares, you as the man will always have the upper hand, if it came down to simply surviving, the man lives the woman dies, embrace that, and act like a fucking man, and stop letting pussy run your life, as soon as you put them in their place they tend to want your dick a little bit more. Also, stop being afraid to make a move, all girls love to fuck nowadays, if you pass their minimum attractiveness requirements you're good to go, put on some muscle, lose weight, what the fuck ever you got to do to get them, just do it, I've been the butt hurt guy over women, I no longer care, they aren't important to me
redpillthrowaway20 7y ago
we do the roundabout where i shove my dick up your ass then i make out with your anus and then i cum in your soda nigga piss fuck cunt fswefoiwesjweihwpeifergbuewrhw[e0rwrehwr0p[
Ulyssers 7y ago
Stastics. are saying sex happens less with with people from 2Ks
How old is the range? ??-??
Hakametal 7y ago
Sorry to make things worse, but there is one thing everyone is forgetting in all of this; that feminism has made more females embrace their masculine energy, which is making alphas/chads almost impossible for women to settle down with. Women are losing touch of what it is to be feminine, and that is because of feminism born in the 1960s and hasn't gone away.
Woman have actually been conditioned to believe that betas are the ideal man. When they actually bump into a real alpha male, they don't know how to be submissive and it ends up being a disaster.
WillGildUifUmakeSRS 7y ago
Very similar to balding men in the middle ages makong younger men shave their head into a Tonsure
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Today its called a Porsche.
Darkone06 7y ago
It's the economy, stupid.
As someone who makes $55K a year which would be consider a higher level salary for my age, $55K a year ain't shit.
Money is severely limiting the younger generations.
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HellHounded 7y ago
So basically everyone here is the problem. Angry unfuckable guys with no game and no charm who hate women and sit around jerking it to porn and so.who's blaming feminists.
Feminists like to fuck too they just prefer to fuck men who are nice to them and make an effort to impress them and make them feel comfortable.
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Rynolz 7y ago
Like a 90% or higher majority.... I've been banging mostly millennials lately, they're awfully predictable and annoying.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Millennials are clueless anyway
PaulMurrayCbr 7y ago
And none of 'em want to suggest that maybe, just maybe, baby-boomers fucked too much.
Chris_Phoenix 7y ago
While I agree completely with you, I think the rapid decline in testosterone plays a huge factor. Biologically, younger people just don't have the sex drives they used to
Limekill 7y ago
Probably this.
Get more of a hit playing video games (Oxytocin) . Masturbation takes care of the rest.
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What a strange game; it seems the only way to win is not to play.
MikePatton-yakyakyak 7y ago
The number of sexual encounters are higher than ever. It's just concentrated among loose women and alpha males. Betas rarely get laid anymore. They used to be able to get at least some pity pussy or a drunk fuck from a fat chick every now and then. Now, they can't get even that.
T1O_Electric 7y ago
Implying anyone wants a pity fuck or a fat girl.
MikePatton-yakyakyak 7y ago
Didn't see this until now....
Implying "want" has anything to do with it. Hungry poorfags living paycheck to paycheck don't want to eat ramen and cheap disgusting tv dinners everyday but you do what you gotta do to survive.
Blacklabellogics 7y ago
Feminism as an ideology will always be in motion. There is no doubt that western women are ruined in their hamster-wheel of "having it all" which is not realistic from a mathematical perspective. You cannot work 50 - 60 hours a week or more away from the home, in addition to being the perfect mom, and the perfect wife.
There mere fact that so many women have fallen for it, is a testament to the tendency of women to fall in love with what sounds emotionally right rather than empirically possible.
The fact is that feminism has broken both women and men. They have broken women in that in their quest to eradicate the masculine the women have themselves become masculine in their own way. Consistently conflating being a bitch with being bossy, stubborn with being strong and dependent on the state for being independent.
Feminism has broken men in that most boys are raised to hate masculine behavior, which is reinforced both in school and media narratives. The risk for males due to false rape charges, rigged justice systems and public shaming even when acquitted push them into their passive little beta corner where they wait for the women to finally finish riding Chad, so he can have the girl who has had 500 miles of Mr. Right.
johngalt1234 7y ago
Given mass immigration of terrorists that may change.
aherne18 7y ago
For me, the very idea they've been fucked by so many other men is like buying a car with a million miles for an outrageous price... The very qualities I like in women (such as shyness) have become as rare as liquid water on Mars.
bsutansalt 7y ago
Something these figures don't take into account is...
Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks
The number of millennials having sex reportedly decreased by 9% as a whole, but that doesn't mean women aren't having the same amount of sex as before. I strongly suspect now they're just having it with a smaller concentration of Chads, which has been the trend from hookup culture's very beginning.
I bet if you look at the figures of who's reporting what by gender that guys are disproportionately reporting they're having less sex. The fact they haven't done so just supports my suspicions. I think we can all agree that IF it was the reverse and women were disproportionately having less sex, that they'd be putting that statistic front and center and framing it as a "woman's issue" with all kinds of calls for research to explain why, to build up women's confidence, blah blah blah sex positivity, blah blah blah it's the patriarchy's fault.
The only article I saw about this that touches on gender was this one, but it didn't do an apples to apples comparison for both genders, and was looking at a drop in sexual activity by girls in the 1960s to those of today.
On top of all this the obesity epidemic is playing havoc with the sexual market for both genders, and then there's the fact porn is giving a lot of men an outlet where they end up taking themselves out of the hunt.
Senordelcielo 7y ago
The liberation of men came in part as a unexpected result of the feminist movement. Woman wanThe liberation of men came in part as a unexpected result of the feminist movement. Woman wanted more freedom, more say in who to fuck and when. They disregarded the traditions and values that cemented a marriage to ensure a continuity of the family. Today, the family is not as it used to be and I am sure this is not news to anyone. Now, woman have accomplished their goal and wrapping up the dismantling of the patriarchy that has gave Europe the great civilizations. We, men, are liberated- we no longer hold such great responsibility as our forefathers had, we no longer toil the field because woman say they can do it, it's perfect! We have more sex than before, we have more freedoms than before. We have paternity test today easily available, we our no longer made to have shotgun weddings just because we are assumed to be the father. For as long as we can remember, men did not look up to the stars in wonderment, we looked to our children and asked our they really mines. Before paternity test of today, we men tried everything to insure that the child will be ours, today we have a 99.9 percent chance that it is. That doubt has been lifted. And The idea that we must sacrifice our life in a dead end job to support a family is the thing of the past. I say let them do it, let these woman become the head of households, let them work two jobs to support themselves and the babies they had with 3 different man. We men are liberated, we no longer are made to go to war, it is our choice! We are not expected to contribute so let's be free, let's be irresponsible and unaccountable. As we see, these woman enjoy very well their youth as comparison to the average guy, but old age comes to all and we know that those looks fade- that's when she now wants the guy with virtues, the gentlemen, the caring guy who wants a family. But should we give it to them? Knowing full well that her vagina has had a fill in while you spent your time going to school and setting up a future. Is it fair to contribute to the future and wellbeing to a girl who would not have given you a chance when she was in her prime? Are you a tool, a safety net? I know I am not. I know that when I spent hours and hours studying and sacrificing to better my future, it is for me and not to give a girl a retirement plan. These woman are not like our grandmothers, and they are not like our mothers. In fact, my mother says that girls my generation only know "twerking, Facebook, and welfare" So, men we are liberated and take notice how these girls are crying out for us, for real men, it's hilarious. You are free men. Your life is yours! Take and don't let anyone have it! Have all the sex you want, go to college to learn what you want to learn not to get the job that simply pays the most. Men, you are free to explore, to have adventures. Your freedom is truly yours. Thank you, feminist for these ironic turn of events. ted more freedom, more say in who to fuck and when. They disregarded the traditions and values that cemented a marriage to ensure a continuity of the family. Today, the family is not as it used to be and I am sure this is not news to anyone. Now, woman have accomplished their goal and wrapping up the dismantling of the patriarchy that has gave Europe the great civilizations. We, men, are liberated- we no longer hold such great responsibility as our forefathers had, we no longer toil the field because woman say they can do it, it's perfect! We have more sex than before, we have more freedoms than before. We have paternity test today easily available, we our no longer made to have shotgun weddings just because we are assumed to be the father. For as long as we can remember, men did not look up to the stars in wonderment, we looked to our children and asked our they really mines. Before paternity test of today, we men tried everything to insure that the child will be ours, today we have a 99.9 percent chance that it is. That doubt has been lifted. And The idea that we must sacrifice our life in a dead end job to support a family is the thing of the past. I say let them do it, let these woman become the head of households, let them work two jobs to support themselves and the babies they had with 3 different man. We men are liberated, we no longer are made to go to war, it is our choice! We are not expected to contribute so let's be free, let's be irresponsible and unaccountable. As we see, these woman enjoy very well their youth as comparison to the average guy, but old age comes to all and we know that those looks fade- that's when she now wants the guy with virtues, the gentlemen, the caring guy who wants a family. But should we give it to them? Knowing full well that her vagina has had a fill in while you spent your time going to school and setting up a future. Is it fair to contribute to the future and wellbeing to a girl who would not have given you a chance when she was in her prime? Are you a tool, a safety net? I know I am not. I know that when I spent hours and hours studying and sacrificing to better my future, it is for me and not to give a girl a retirement plan. These woman are not like our grandmothers, and they are not like our mothers. In fact, my mother says that girls my generation only know "twerking, Facebook, and welfare" So, men we are liberated and take notice how these girls are crying out for us, for real men, it's hilarious. You are free men. Your life is yours! Take and don't let anyone have it! Have all the sex you want, go to college to learn what you want to learn not to get the job that simply pays the most. Men, you are free to explore, to have adventures. Your freedom is truly yours. Thank you, feminist for these ironic turn of events.
MasRock310 7y ago
The main reason there's fewer guys fucking all the women is social media. Women have more guys to choose from than ever before and of course they're going to pick the attractive ones over the average joe. On the flip side, the really attractive men have more women to choose from too, funny how that works
jewishsupremacist88 7y ago
Exactly..its good to be on top. The rest are friendless, sexless mingers.
mgtowsatire 7y ago
my dick is wet jajaaj sjw bubblebut fucky ducky nigga crack
Entropy-7 7y ago
But every time a woman has sex a man is having sex too. The only exceptions are lesbians and FFM threesomes. If you are correct then whoever put the statistics together simply ignored everyone who is having more sex. So then 18% of men have less sex but that means 18% (top 20%?) are having more, and the researchers simply ignore that, then divide by two across both genders. Seems a bit far fetched.
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Would love to know the ratio
[deleted] 7y ago
A shitty economy and a lack of traditional values along with a welfare state means hypergamy will increase.
Betterthanuatlife 7y ago
Or we have the fact that more men are aware that one condom with holes in it, or one rape allegation can ruin their entire lives. So they avoid women.
Troll_Name 7y ago
You nailed it out of the park, I wanted to say OP was missing that.
I read OP's take: '...something is missing...'
I didn't expect OP to finish it the way it was finished. Even when OP mentioned an f-word, I did not expect the word to be 'feminism.' I expected it to be FFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT.
People aren't getting laid because the typical male's value has dropped beneath a threshold the female subconscious is willing to accept. What does this mean? It means raise your damn value, and be glad you live in a world of male rivals who aren't raising their value.
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A line from one of the articles:
So 95 out of every 100 women are sexually active. Not much change from generation to generation. Plus it appears that just about every woman is getting laid.
The article states that 15% of Millenials are sexually inactive. If 95% of women are active then about 25% of Millennial men aren't getting laid at all.
So there hasn't been a generational Sexodus. More like a pussy embargo directed against beta males. Women are fucking at the same rate they always have. They are having sex with a smaller percentage of the male population.
My takeaway from this is that the current sexual marketplace is feast or famine for men.
rebuildingMyself 7y ago
It's all economics in the end. Betas are getting less sex because the competition (ie the government) makes them pay taxes to give to the strong independent wymyn.
So women can fuck Chads all the way through college (that's paid for by men and fucks men over via affirmative action), marry a clueless beta, divorce-rape him, and everyone except her pays for the consequences.
[deleted] 7y ago
Hold on, now.
The first article states that 5.4 percent of millenial women are sexually inactive. The article also states that 15% of 20-24-year-olds are sexually inactive. I.e., the former is a much larger classification of people than the latter. Your conclusion cannot be inferred from the figures cited in the articles.
TRPShill 7y ago
15% of 2 categories which are half of the whole means the percentages of each will add up to 30%
i.e.
for 15% of total pop to be inactive you need 15% men and 15% women inactive or any variation adding up to 30 in each category
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Amen. There are now more overweight/obese women than normal/skinny.
I only fuck skinny girls, and if a girl wants to fuck me with a 21+ BMI, it's because she lifts. By 22 BMI, she's either too swole or too fat (99℅ of the time, she's fat).
Don't fuck fatties.
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[deleted] 7y ago
Look at hipster men - their style and behaviors...
It's repulsive to women.
[deleted] 7y ago
Depends where you live. My friend was slaying quality pussy up in San Francisco working at a restaurant for years, and he had a ridiculous curly mustache, septum piercing, artsy tatoos, balding, and stood at barely at 5'8.
He then proceeding to move to a more suburban part of Los Angeles County for a new job as an engineer, and he hasn't got laid in a year. Women in LA are extremely picky and shallow, and only pay lip service to liberalism and feminism because it is a good image to have.
[deleted] 7y ago
LOL OK so everywhere that isn't San Francisco women find hipster men repulsive.
[deleted] 7y ago
Depends again. Most every major city has a niche for hipsters and their ilk. For instance, there are plenty of places in LA where a hipster can get laid by very pretty women - Silverlake, Venice, West Hollywood, North Hollywood, The Arts District Downtown.
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You'll have to forgive me, I'm an east coast guy. Hipsters here are lucky they aren't beaten on sight.
[deleted] 7y ago
No apologies necessary. Hipsters are a more west coast thing. More artsy/techy types, thus why LA and San Fran has so many of them. I suppose they only exist in parts of New York. I can't think of anywhere else on the east coast.
silek 7y ago
Boston, they are everywhere in Boston...
[deleted] 7y ago
Fucking pajama boy.
If I have kids, and one comes home like that for Christmas, I will beat the masculinity into him.
WilliamBott 7y ago
As a MGTOW, you nailed it right there.
Simply_Sherlock 7y ago
As someone curious about MGTOW, how do you find the motivation to accomplish more than just a NEET-like existence? I'm just going back to school for my second year of a chemistry degree, and it's seriously making me wonder why I would bother grinding out such a difficult STEM degree if I can comfortably meet my needs and most wants with a much easier path. Thoughts would be appreciated.
WilliamBott 7y ago
You have to want to better yourself. Nobody can make you do it or motivate you to do it. I learn and study for its own sake. I like making more money and having nice things, so I do it.
kremer5 7y ago
I wonder how much the decline of T levels has to do with this
saibot83 7y ago
Probably a lot. I was diagnosed as low T by a doctor. I'm sluggish and unmotivated career wise and have pretty much given up on trying to get laid. My dry spell is going on two years now.
kremer5 7y ago
try clomid, that's what I use
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You really think 80% of men are celibate? Lol
HappyMexican 7y ago
I have tried NOT to believe this, I tried to give the benefit of the doubt, but that rule just seems to pop up as true the more I go out dating. I use to go out every weekend to bars and social events, for years now, What I find is since I am not in the top 20, getting sex is a fucking shit storm of frustrating, soul wrenching failure, and then maybe I get laid that month, but probably not.
I have been cuckold by more attractive higher SMV males already out in the field. Twice at least, my girl who I came with left with a better looking, cooler guy and slept with them instantly. The rule slapping me in the face.
Other guys who are really nice/stable cool dudes I like, had the same issues. After going to the same places I saw the same guys like me still trying as well, but because of their low SMV, they left empty handed too. They were all Lower SMV, hmm what a coincidence no?
Why put up with that shit when I can just go home and play video games, work on my skills, work out and enjoy spending time with my friends. I spent months trying to get laid and I screwed up my diet (Trying to have fun socially makes you fat), wasted hundreds of dollars, and felt like I wasted so much time. So annoying.
I think its less to do with feminism and more to do with guys are tired of begging for attention, blowing money/time and coming home with nothing all the time 95% of the time. THAT'S why we see 9 percent drop.
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samirahmad2594 7y ago
No shit dude, he's probably "unattractive" but that's a violation of rules 1&2 hahahaha...(and they call MGTOW nerds). I reckon, MGTOW is the only true path of salvation for most men. Yeah we have some people who are virginTOW's but those are not the majority.
HappyMexican 7y ago
FOr sure not unrealstic with what I go for as I don't ever go for super hot women at all. I think my SMV is just below average, I am overweight by like 40 pounds (been trying to lose it for a year now though, at gym every week), but weight loss is slow because I have big over eating issues, I use to be 100 pounds bigger too.
I agree something like monk mode is probably what I need to do right now, lose the weight and get some more skills. Only issue is being by yourself for that long (I live alone too), can get pretty depressing. Going out once in doesn't seem to be enough either. I'd take any tips for that too.
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The problem I have with the idea that 80% of women are getting fucked by the 20% of men that are Alpha is that it's wrongly assuming that 80% of women actually fuckable in the first place. As if Alphas were just running around fucking everything that moves, including fatties, post-wall women and just plain ugly bitches. I don't know about you, but in the course of a typical day; what's the proportion of all the women I come across to that I would be willing to fuck? It's nowhere near 20%. Maybe 5% at most. Now, if we only consider women in their 20's, maybe it's actually 20%. So that's it. It's not 80/20. It's 20/20.
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Oh right, I get it now. It makes more sense to consider the 20/80 rule to be about the amount of sex, not about about the amount of people involved.
hamsterbator 7y ago
If it was 80/20 before, now it's closer to 90/10.
Unplugged men have more access to porn, video games, and less social skills. Women have their pick of hundreds of men within a 50 mile radius.
Jay-Kay44 7y ago
Its not only unplugged. Its unattractive. You can the most fucking unplugged mothafucker in the workd and stilld be unattractive or have mental issues.
The big red pill you guys wont swallow is the myth of self improvment.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Guys fear the 80/20 rule and rightfully so, one should remember though that the bottom 80 are laughably easy to pass by. It's the competition among the top 20 that becomes fierce.
Also women can share any 'you go girl' 'fat is the new slim' bullshit on Facebook they want. A low value woman will suffer equally much in her own right like a low value male. Difference is that women don't care about sex the same way. Their pain is in relationships.
I'm curious what studies say about the relationship quality of bottom 80 women. That's their statistic- remember that.
_arch_lion_daemo_ 7y ago
A question for you trp guys(I am an occasional skeptical lurker). This 80/20 you quote every so often, I understand. But on the reasons behind, I have a question. How much of the imbalance is, in your opinion, women being more "picky", and how much is men just giving up/trying less to get female company?
razormachine 7y ago
80/20 is the imbalance caused by "picky" woman. Man who give up belong to that 80% anyway, so they are not causing a single % of that 80/20.
jcrpta 7y ago
The 80/20 is basically the Pareto principle.
It's very much rough numbers, so you mustn't read too much into it if in the real world you see more like 70/30 or 90/10.
microwave44 7y ago
It's the pareto principle, which is linked more to mathematics than women's taste in dick
And math governs the universe
aanarchist 7y ago
women consider a man in the bottom of the top 20% as average, with everyone below that as below average and undesirable.
men are giving up because they realize just how rigged the game is. some don't think they can get what they want even if they tried, others don't feel that the reward is worth the effort. women have always been picky and they get pickier as they get older, on top of that with the red pill movement men are becoming aware that they end up paying for used goods that another man got to enjoy for free or for much less than he paid for, and he's gonna say fuck that shit.
RedPill115 7y ago
I wouldn't use the phrase "picky" exactly.
Let's say times are good and you're going out to eat. You have plenty of money, you're not overworked, you have time to go out, etc. Now you can go nearly anywhere to eat. You might eat at the expensive steak place. You might eat at the expensive seafood place. You might eat at McDonalds because you're lazy and want to see a movie or something else and don't want to spend the time on a sit down restaurant. You're also more willing to try the new restaurant that opened up down the street, because if it's bad - who cares. You have plenty of money, you can just grab something to eat at home without issue.
But let's say the scenario is different. Let's say times are hard. You're pressed for time. You don't have much money. The way you choose what and where to eat changes.
It's not exactly true that in the second case you're more "picky", you're changing what you're picky about.
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The cost of human reproduction falls far harder on women.
For a women to reproduce, she has to become pregnant which takes 9 months. For a lot of these months, she can't fend for herself. There is also the issue of dying in childbirth.
For men, it can take 5 seconds to reproduce, and your only limiter to how many kids you have is how many different women you can fuck.
Also women have no issues about paternity, they know the kid is their's. Men on the other hand don't.
For those reasons, women are more picker and less likely to abandon their kids, and men are the inverse. Your minimal investment is 5 seconds of your time, her's is a year of reproductive life + lots of energy used to produce the child.
iseeyou1312 7y ago
It's neither.
The Pareto principle is a rule of thumb for many aspects of life and nature. 20% of people own 80% of the land, 20% of pods contain 80% of the peas, 20% of soldiers kill 80% of the enemy, etc...
The SMP was previously restricted with monogamous bonds through the institution of marriage, and has largely been like that for the majority of people in the West for the past 1,500+ years or so. However, as religion has lost its influence, post-industrialised societies value male labour less making women more independent, invention of effective contraceptives, etc... it has merely returned to its natural state.
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On the male side I think it's due to ineffectiveness. There are definitely less men trying, but there are also more "can I kiss you" betas than ever before
RedEyesBlueShades 7y ago
Reasons are really not important. Ignore "reasons" and start living your life based on how things are instead of why.
To answer your question, if you really wanna phrase it as you do, it's all because of women being "choosy" - They choose not to have you, or your friend, in favour of Chad. And guess what? Chad is desirable to many women, not just one. And they are happy to share him, actually prefer to share him over having a fully committed Billy Beta.
HellHounded 7y ago
You don't really know a lot of girls do you?
There's no such thing as alpha and beta. It's a whole spectrum. Everyone has their own thing. Just like people hunt with a wide range of weapons, and just like different hunters catch different game, different men appeal to different women. There isn't one set thing that all women want. Women are choosy, but they don't all want the same guy. They want is someone who knows how to make them laugh, make them happy, secure, and doing that requires different skills depending on the woman.
The reason the idiots on this sub don't get laid, or get laid but can't keep a woman, is because they see the world in this incredibly reductive manner that doesn't allow for an understanding of any one individual, which is literally the only way to have and keep a girlfriend.
Even if you just want to make it about sex and biology, guys are just retarded bad. The vast majority of women in their 20s have never had an orgasm from sex of any kind. That's fucking ridiculous. Like all you have to do is pay enough attention to what a woman wants to make her cum, and you're doing better than most of the hot, good-looking guys you're so resentful of. It's that easy.
Not that I'm complaining. Thanks to incompetent millenial fucktwats, I can date way out of my league.
_arch_lion_daemo_ 7y ago
I see, thanks for the explanation
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It's been proven, genetics helps a lot to know which percentage of men reproduce. Before civilization 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man.
It's been observed in other primates (chimps etc...), women only fuck the top males.
Now the exact numbers vary depending on various parameters (male:female ratio, availability of resources, etc...). There was a great youtube video explaining this with data on humans and chimps I can't find it...
What seems to be the case is that in the current society it's harder low value male to get laid. Because females earn money so they don't have to be married (mariage is dying), apps like tinder etc... make it easier to find a top 5% male, birth control pill means hypergamy can go without constraints, etc... These reasons are making it more difficult for the average male.
LT_JOHN_RICO 7y ago
That's changed since the advent of agriculture
Hakametal 7y ago
The video in question you refer to is called "Biology Culture Ideology".
TheHipcrimeVocab 7y ago
Not before civilization, because of civilization. The article states as much in the first paragraph "4,000 to 8,000 years after humanity invented agriculture..." Agriculture == civilization. This was definitely the case after the rise of agrarian states with great disparities in wealth, power and land ownership.
In prehistory, the circumstances might have been very different different. Sex at Dawn posits a much more open and relaxed attitude to sexuality in primordial cultures, where competition was mainly sperm competition rather than sexual exclusivity. That is, they were having sex with a number of guys, but only one would get them pregnant (this drove the shape of the human penis, for example.
This was partly because getting what one needed to survive was much easier pre-agriculture, everything in the tribe was shared equally (no private property), and paternity was less of an issue if there was no property to pass down to one's heirs.
_arch_lion_daemo_ 7y ago
I see. I am not a skeptical as in, I don't agree with some things you guys say. Thankfully I was born smart enough to think for myself and hate things just cause the "hivemind" does. My problem with your philosophy is the lack of concern with the group/society. I get it that most of you have been disregarded by mainstream society in one way or another, and thus you feel you owe nothing to it. Looking out for yourself is fine, and I get it, but I am more of a Sheppard guy, I care too much about the coletive(and trying to save it from its autodestructive self-indulgence)
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
We owe nothing to a society that has abandoned us. Let it burn.
Thomaskingo 7y ago
Lets talk N-counts. I haven't got any har data to back this up, but this is what my hypothesis is: 5-10 % of all men account for at least 50 % of all women's N-counts.
This mean that if you have closed community with a 100 women and 100 men, then 5-10 men will represent half of the different guys, most of the ladies have had sex with. As you might see, this means most women are fucking the same small group of guys, and there will be a big overlap the smaller the society.
Edit. This is also why the average partner count for men is wildly misguiding because then top alphas are pulling up the statistics tremendously for men. Women don't notice this at all, btw. They don't see it. They assume incorrectly the sexual market place is the same way for men, but it isn't.
Canedude08 7y ago
It's the Apex Fallacy. Women assume that the sex life of the typical man is identical to the top tier dudes, when in reality, it's not even close.
HellHounded 7y ago
Well let's forget averages then. Accounting for the whole distribution of counts, the median count for a man who is 25 today is 6, and for women it's 4. So your hypothesis is numerically impossible.
And some guys attract no girls, but they're a very small percent. But I'd wager they're a very high percent of the people here, because the whole reducing the world to chads and stacys thing is kind of incompatible with being a tolerable human being that people want to be around.
Rathadin 7y ago
Human behavior is a hell of a lot simpler than people would want to admit.
Its quite possible to reduce the world down to the TRP level, be mostly correct, and still be easy to be around. The problem with TRP aren't people like that, its the people that are essentially the opposite of what are called Social Justice Warriors.
Its the subset that want actual fairness and equality in all aspects. I've always thought that was childish and pointless - because its childish and pointless.
Life isn't fair and will never be fair. Its much easier to accept reality for what it is and work within the confines you're given. You can also adopt a positive attitude while doing this. A great example of an ardent realist who is positive is Tony Robbins. A lot of the guys here on TRP would do much better if they'd given his CDs a listen.
HellHounded 7y ago
The world isn't fair, but it also isn't binary. And it doesn't resemble the bizarre mythology created by TRP where women are all golddiggers and whores with no regard for others or interest in partnership. It cloaks it self in misappropriated scientific terms like hypergamy with no real understanding for what that means. TRP tries to sound rational or scientific, but it's about as rational or scientific as Scientology.
The Red Pill is, ironically, blue pill as fuck. It's a lie, designed to make frustrated or lonely people feel less acountable for the circumstances they bring on themselves. It makes it all about the evil feminists and horrible hypergamous sloots and not the fact that they don't know what women want or how to give it to them.
In a much broader sense, of course there's a reason to advocate for certain men's issues (and women's issues, and race issues, etc), but that's not what TRP or even the broader MRA movement is in practice. If it was, it wouldn't be so concerned with fighting feminists and would try to find a mutual interest in egalitarianism. You can't go around calling people social justice warriors while crying about social injustice. People will just think you're retarded.
Rathadin 7y ago
Nowhere in the sidebar, or even from most of the contributors will you see a 100% consensus on that. Most of the people writing here live on coastal cities, which means wealth, which means a concentration of the kind of people they're writing about. Confirmation bias. However it still happens in small-town America, just not to the same degree.
Not true. People here know exactly what that means, and its never been easier to branch-swing to "better quality" men than it is today. You can turn the clock back just 50 years and being divorced was a huge scandal in almost every town in America, with the only people able to escape it relatively unharmed, in terms of their social standing, were celebrities, or the true elite of society.
Just in this thread alone you've proven to me you don't understand a goddamn thing about TRP, but this clinches it. TRP is exactly the opposite of what you're talking about. TRP is all about holding yourself accountable for your own failures in life while pointing out how things really are. And unfortunately for you, research is showing it. Don't want to get divorced? Don't lose your job... its the #1 cause of divorce for men from their wives. Why? Because the vast majority did not marry because they like "you". They like what you can provide. This isn't limited to women or marriages though. Your worth as a human being is directly tied to two things - a) to what degree can you improve someone else's life and b) how many lives can you improve. That's it. That's all there is. If you think anything else, you're deluding yourself and you've drunk the equality Kool-Aid.
If you haven't figured it out let, I'll illuminate you, because I lived it. They want the best man they can possible pair up with. 10 years ago I didn't even have $2500 in the bank and I was a lowly E-4 in the military. Now I've finally built something from the ground up; a business that I love, that has enriched me both monetarily and socially. Was it my physique that changed? No, I was exercising 6 days a week in the Navy, and I'm still doing that. Was it my ability to mingle socially? Nope. I was well-liked back then, with many girls laughing about me being a charming conversationalist then as they do now. The only thing... the only thing that changed is my income, and the amount of free time I have. I have a lot more money and a lot less time. I've been putting 60-80 hour weeks into my business, so I can't fuck around with people who either don't advance my business or whom I don't intend to have some time of mutually beneficial relationship with. The Wall Street Playboys blog flat out predicted this. I remember reading it, thinking, "Wow, what bullshit."
Should have listened to them... once you reach a certain level of wealth and inaccessibility through your lifestyle, it increases your attractiveness dramatically.
See, you're confusing TRP with / r / Seduction, or "game". TRP made me realize that working on "game" was a waste of time, because while good game will net you women, that's literally all it does. It makes you good with women. Its far more beneficial to work on yourself, and work on enriching yourself in all possible ways - monetarily, intellectually, and physically, because that nets you women far easier than the "social dynamics" stuff.
You won't bother reading any of the sidebar because you think you've "got a good bead on things". Yeah, I thought that too. Then I started actually living TRP or Wall Street Playboys or Captain Picard's comment on the challenge of life being to "enrich yourself" - whatever term sits best with you.
Reply if you want, I won't be reading any more of them because, frankly, what I'm doing with my life just reinforces everything I was told from here and WSP.
HellHounded 7y ago
Oh I don't think anything on here is about game or seduction. It seems to me to be a combination of people who only want short term relationships and people who struggle to even get that much.
There's no doubt that women want a provider, that's always been the case. But it's less the case now than it ever has been, and you can thank feminism for that. Feminism is not your enemy. It's why women are pulling more of their fair share and taking the burden off men to be the sole provider.
And just because employment, disease, and even childbirth -- life altering and deeply stressful events that test a relationship -- can lead to divorce, doesn't mean that no one likes you for "you." It just means bad times bring out the worst in everyone. It would be sort of strange if losing your job made it LESS likely to get divorced, no?
Men and women can and do both bounce to greener pastures. I've seen no evidence that one is more likely than the other. And what constitutes greener pastures is deeply subjective.
I'm not a good looking guy. I'm half-fat, I'm bald, I don't have money. I'm dating a fit, attractive girl in her early 20s. Because I know what SHE needs and I give it to her. Could I get ANY fit, attractive girl in her early 20s? Of course not. But that's not how life works. People are individuals.
Paid_Internet_Troll 7y ago
Translation: Being brutally honest about the realities of the sexual marketplace will seriously anger any women or betas within earshot.
Yes, it is known.
HellHounded 7y ago
Pssst. Your asperger's is showing.
The overwhelming majority of us who have no problems and don't find the marketplace "difficult" are probably a better example than a bunch of lonely, romantically or sexually frustrated dudebros desperately trying to convince themselves they're "alphas" despite all evidence to the contrary.
From someone old enough to know, the "reality" of the "market" right now is that it's never been easier to get an out of your league girl and keep her. Incompetents and insufferable angry weirdos make the average among us look better.
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Your_Coke_Dealer 7y ago
This is always an interesting phenomenon to see when women are told that this is not the case. Some are hardened SJWs, and just say something along the lines of "deal with it" or "shut up you neckbeard", generally when this is explained on certain subreddits. In person, the response is usually more surprised. It's not unlike when a guy goes from being ugly/fat to attractive. Invisible to women to suddenly getting attention, and they wonder "where the hell were you?" Women do not see the suffering men undergo when they do not participate in the SMP
Thomaskingo 7y ago
This is spot on, and it's even funnier, that women also tend to rationalize the sudden attractiveness of reformed low SMV men, by thinking that they themselves have matured or the guy have "grown more up". The real explanation is almost always a physical transformation thru a year in the gym. His personality didn'tgrow half as much as his biceps, but them biceps though...
marplaneit 7y ago
Yeah, around that. I mean. I'm a med student, 20yo 5'11 (In a country where the avg height is 5'8), 185 lbs 14% bf, own my own flat (It was a present), I have a cool side bussiness, and a little socially retard but getting better everyday. I fuck around 6 different plates a year that I pick up in bars.
My other friends who don't hit the gym, but stay slim cause diet and regular running, they get 1 or 2 fucks a year if lucky, and putting a lot of effort. My two best friend, one is a lead singer in a popular local band, the other one in med school, but also play semi-pro rugby they fuck as much as their free time allows them.
The difference IS SO BIG. I mean, I have a bunch of chubby regular john friends, and most of them are virgins, or fucking landwhales.
bowie747 7y ago
We're animals, primates. And only the top 10-20% of male primates pass on their genes. The fittest males have several women each, and the beta males get nothing.
We're smarter than that. We created societies where men and women would partner off 1:1, it's the best way to ensure maximum productivity from the beta males. This system doesn't really suit women because it means most of them get stuck with a beta, when what they really want is an alpha. However it did ensure sex for men and security for women. We then created societal shaming constructs and laws to prevent divorce. Everyone accepted this as being normal, despite the fact that it ignores our biological instincts.
Now, women are sexually liberated, slut and divorce-shaming is almost nonexistent and marriages always end in a woman's favour. Also most women are able to financially support themselves. Therefore marriage has become nonessential and women don't need to rely on men for anything. So we've reverted to a more primal state where women don't fuck betas (they don't need to for any reason), now they'll only fuck alphas. So now the top 20% of men have 80% of the sex, and the bottom 80% of men get the leftover scrappy 20%.
Many men in the bottom 80% are now realising this and "checking out" of society. TRP advocates self-improvement in order to reach the top 20%. That any man can be an alpha if he works on himself sufficiently. Nonetheless lots of men can't be fucked, or don't like women enough to put in the work and I can't blame them.
netherlanddwarf 7y ago
This might be the TLDR TRP explanation ever.
Canedude08 7y ago
What these women don't understand is that society is built on beta men. Responsibility isn't sexy, but it makes sure that the trains run of time and society doesn't crumble. If you want to see what happens when women are allowed to do this for a long period of time, go look at any inner city. Responsible black men were moved out of the home 40 years ago, and replaced with neighborhood thugs who are considered alpha. It's not a pretty picture, and that's where we are heading as a society at large.
Soarinc 7y ago
This perfectly summarizes the moral decline of America. Women want essentially a return to primate kingdom because they don't think things all the way through to the endgame.
These women in their late teens & early twenties have no understanding yet that they will ride the cock carousel until they become alpha-widowed so hard, you could melt cold-rolled steel off their dried-up, icy empty veins.
bowie747 7y ago
I can't blame women for riding the CC like they do, it's just biology.
The reason the current situation angers young men is because they were led to believe that if they worked hard they would earn the love of a good woman. Now they know want women really want, and are realising that the were lied to.
I can't even really blame the governments for executing the lying and brainwashing. They have to ensure maximum productivity and keep their people placated somehow...
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"And only the top 10-20% of male primates pass on their genes. "
Totally not true. For primates and certianly not humans.
[deleted] 7y ago
Sorry but that is man hamstering
What a man can do, is improve his smv so that women find him more interesting as a beta buck but in the end you are still a beta buck for her, she will not have the tingles for you.
[deleted] 7y ago
False
It's hard to turn around, that's a thing. But every man has alpha and beta traits in DNA as capability. Experience can be recovered, skills developed, motivation unveiled. You may never be better than the guy who was born alpha and lived alpha every second, but that's not the 20%. That's the 1% if ever, and i'd argue only a small % of this is able to combine his total alphaness with total smartness required for maximum advantage. The rest, you can outdo. Risks are involved, ofcourse.
Also, the basic factor of this is age. If you were beta 60 years then your chances are greatly reduced. If you have been beta 20-30 years, your chances of recovering are much higher.
el_beso_negro 7y ago
Agreed I have found that the whole alpha vs beta hierarchy is based on hormonal/neurochemical feedback loops that influence our mood, behavior and thoughts. Such that any effect on this social feedback mechanism will make you unconsciously rise or lower in the hierarchy both internally and as perceived externally by others.
Yes, some men have biological advantages and disadvantages over others. But if you told me Genghis Khan was a short, ugly, bowlegged mother fucker that was a complete psychopath killer that happened to leave the vastest number of offspring of any male, it wouldn't be a hard claim for me to believe.
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Aside status advantage from family which surely helps, we have to look no further than Napoleon perhaps. Anyway yes, i am improving that kind of feedback loop right now... long way but... when it starts kicking in, you get an idea of how to play the alpha/beta dichotomy (in the long run, it's not a fast way depending on where you start) and it gives a sense of hope. I'd say developing consciousness about those mechanisms is the basis for long lasting development. One starts doing the things people that knows better (lifting, reading hard books, striving to be social and work good etc) do and only after can realize how it's deeply connected with their advantage. It's all mind-boggling if you used to live in a little dualistic cage as many do nowadays.
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thanks for the feedback, that's a more constructive and positive view of that infamous 20% ratio
erowidtrance 7y ago
The primal state had women depending on men for everything, men would go out and hunt, men would provide the security. Even men who weren't top level were of value to women. We now have a situation where women depend on men for nothing because even if they don't work the state is the provider, in fact the state actually encourages women to leave men with divorce courts and child custody heavily in their favour. The state will give them free money and housing for doing nothing so a womans existence can be pure hedonism and frivolity.
The number one problem is state welfare and the biased court system. If you made that equal the situation would change radically for men and women.
BallisticTherapy 7y ago
They're taking the black pill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tuf59ex-U0
[deleted] 7y ago
Hey i don't know if this ironic, i guess it is.
But after he said "i have to school these kids" i lost that. "i have to" socially exist as a command only in deep beta guys. If it was a powerplay, it failed after this fat guy lighted a cigarette on youtube. In his car. That said, after the first minute i gotta say this is either ironic or really stupid, so i upvoted you for benefit of doubt.
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[deleted] 7y ago
Curious very rare lurker here; if any man can be an "alpha male" doesn't this negate that genetics determine how successful you can be? Also, if none of the successful males pass on their genes doesn't that just keep the pool of "successful" genes down? Assuming majority of men and women worth marrying and having kids with did not reproduce. This is just a hypothetical thought experiment.
[deleted] 7y ago
There is more than genetics to life.
Furthermore, genetics are conditioned by ambiental context. A woman has no way to assess superior genetics but from aestethic and cultural hints.
100 Years ago, when hardwork was the norm and intellectual work was the exception, women lusted for the skinny pale fucks because that meant they had high status. Now that that kind of status stopped being an apex-trait on itself and a lot of guys work in office, dark muscular guys are back in game. Go figure. And it's just a little example. Everything spins around. Genetics goodness must be adapted to time and context. The only genetic constant is that in a fully natural context some traits are generally better all around (strength, physical focus, etc)
_arch_lion_daemo_ 7y ago
Damn, when you phrase and think about it like that it does make you think... Specially if there is a good ending to this(good as in, not leading to society going to shit and all like you guys usually predict).
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Weatherman_Phil 7y ago
I recommend this documentary on the fall of the Roman Empire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6pjWuScmEk
I thought there were some striking parallels with modern day USA/western culture.
edit: Most of the relevant stuff is in the first 10 minutes, but the whole thing is pretty good if you're into history.
jcrpta 7y ago
You don't need to read a few comments and see if they make sense; you can test this out for yourself if you're on Facebook and you're not above a little light stalking.
The way you do it is this:
If RP theory is even remotely correct, it's safe to say that the "proves" will outnumber the "disproves" by some margin. Give it a go.
logicalthinker1 7y ago
We can't run from hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. Until you can literally change our brain chemistry and DNA to the point of removing these behaviors, we'll always be like this.
always-be-closing 7y ago
There isn't, and it doesn't matter.
You're just one person. Look out for yourself and no one else unless you bring them into the world.
I guarantee you it'll mean you have more control over your life and will be happier than if you don't.
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Ha society is already shit for men(and women, few alphas give away their commitment to one woman and get married, why would they when they can have a new one by tomorrow night if they so chose), at TRP we make the best out of the situation and ensure we get what we want by any means.
I don't know why you're skeptical, analyze your surroundings with TRP and you'll for sure see that TRP philosophy is pretty much facts.
Magnum256 7y ago
I think one of the ideologies around here is to not worry too much about the existential bullshit and instead just focus on the moment, and bettering yourself, sort of a hedonistic approach to life.
Reality is that the world is already going to shit. So many of our systems are either archaic or completely nonsensical. One of the big problems I think is that it's almost impossible to change because we cannot unite. There are too many conflicting opinions going back and forth, largely due to the accessibility of the internet, that the idea of rallying behind one idea of meaningful change gets attacked from ten different angles.
So what can one person do to "fix" the world? Nothing. Better to just enjoy life and have the most fun you can during your prime.
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Enjoy the decline! Its gonna be a he'ell of a ride
p00pey 7y ago
This is how I sum up the world today. We're in a downward spiral, but the peons are kept in line with shit television and what not. 100s of millions tune into the kardashians while the world is burning around us. Over population, resources dwindling, it's all in decline.
Just do what makes you happy, but first find out what makes you happy. DOn't go chasing bitches because you want to compare n count with the bros like some dick measuring contest. Don't go chasing pokemons because everyone else is chasing them...
That's why meditation is key. Allows you to focus inwardly, and find what you want out of life, and then allows you to focus on attaining those goals while clearing out the noise...
SavageStalker 7y ago
Meditation gives clear clarity and pure vision for your goals. Distractions are merely fillers of time. It is sad...but what you have said is the reality. The world is sick, people have betrayed themselves thinking everything is fine about their lives. No... you can make those changes, and it must start at the original source...you. Soon the Earth is going to embroil yet again into an age of darkness until then, be your best self and look after those who you value the most. Focus on the now. Julian Assange is someone people should look up to as a hero, do not consume too much media. Read from varied sources and make your own conclusions. Stand your ground.
xlptu 7y ago
What about stuff like the Amish people?
CornyHoosier 7y ago
What about them?
They're a subset of society that America allows to exist. Does it seem like American ever gave a shit about wiping a people out they felt threatened by?
The Amish live a secluded life and ask very little of the society around them. They life by very strict gender and communal rules. They bring shaming to a new level in order to keep their families and neighbors in line.
xlptu 7y ago
I was thinking more about joining them or something.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
Ha. Think you can go without technology?
Seriously though, they won't let you in. They don't like outsiders.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
(This is a thought that has been roaming around my head, so take it as you will)
Everything is cyclical. For about 500 years the Roman Empire ruled the known world, and eventually they fell. We see time and time again how great societies go up and down and it generally always reverts things back to a baser level.
Did you know that almost all the large empires at one point had to implement a bachelor tax (Roman, Ottoman, England)? Their men were no longer getting married. The betas weren't getting sex. Society had demands, but since the majority of men weren't participating, society began to break down. As much as we here at TRP strive to be the alpha, the beta is who keeps society operational. They're the guys who get work done. So if they're not happy and not working, then shit begins to fall apart.
Now look at the U.S. - Can anyone deny we're in a "hookup culture"? Divorces are common, marriage is declining and women (out of necessity) are given preferential treatment by the court and support structures of America. It's a raw deal for any man, so why would he want to participate?
Marriages and sex for beta men are plummeting, they're giving up. They're retreating to their distractions (excessive: sports, video games, hobbies & likely porn) ... and with their retreat, so goes our society. Neither sex seems to be happy about it either as American women are reaching seemingly-dangerously high levels of depression and American men are reaching seemingly-dangerously high levels of suicide.
TheReformist94 7y ago
No,I think women are happy.they can fuck as many men as they want now to their hearts content and can engage in casual sex. Imagine being paired off a virgin to a beta you were repulsed by. The only time women are unhappy is after 35 when they can't fuck the same grade male. If they can exit the caroussel and land a decent guy,they can have their cake and eat it,so won't be on xanax/citalopram
logicalthinker1 7y ago
Exactly. Why marry someone when you can get all the benefits and none of the drawbacks? The "OMG we're married!!" euphoria dies quickly and you're just back to "i'm in a relationship with this person."
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Out of interest in reading more on it - what is your source for the high levels of depression and suicide?
CornyHoosier 7y ago
https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/depression-women
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Oro_077 7y ago
somehow this remind me of japan. that new genre, the asexuals...are they really asexuals or did just gave up?
bowie747 7y ago
Our empire might be different. We may not rely on the beta masses to survive. Due to all of our productivity stemming mostly from deskjobs and other forms of non-manual labor, much of the work can be done by women (or robots).
We might see full-blown naturalistic mating. With only the top 10-20% of men ever reproducing, and most beta males dying out after a generation or two.
yomo86 7y ago
This. Word. By. Word.
Improving oneself is paramount. You look better, you sleep better, you are more social.
Other than that, I go to bed just as well having had an escort performing her services or just stroke one out - sex is what it is after the attached mumbo jumbo is gone: An act.
As soon as you have satisfied the constant primal urge to fuck, you have a lot of spare time.
And thinking about gambling your hard earned personal and financial assets on the the goodwill of a fickle wall-approaching woman sounds somewhat ridiculous then.
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We have been in an "Empire" since 1945
chinawinsworlds 7y ago
Maybe we can turn it around somehow with this knowledge. Save the US or Europe.. or any future society.
RainHappens 7y ago
The only way this train is turning around is by hitting a brick wall, I'm afraid.
The time to turn it around was back in somewhere around the 1960s.
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shadada 7y ago
would you even go as to say that this idea of a "universal income" is a variety of that bachelor tax?
Shit.. i guess things really are cyclical..
TheGreatRedCascadian 7y ago
Ehh, I'm gonna disagree on that one. Universal Income is an effort to address the conflicts of capitalism, a centuries old economic idea, with automation technology the likes of which Adam Smith could never imagine. I don't see it having anything to do with gender or identity politics at all.
shadada 7y ago
well i also wouldn't completely rule it out... i know that the pace of technology is on a steeper curve than ever before but new technology and the foundations of capitalist philosophy aren't anything new to society. technology in the past didn't just allow people to be stagnant in their pursuit of wealth but rather provoked ingenuity towards other paths for wealth and so long as people are carving up their way towards some financial/lifestyle goal in a capitalist market there shouldn't be much need for a universal income outside of the more obvious reasons for it (handicaps, family support, etc...)
TheGreatRedCascadian 7y ago
The issue is there are lots of people who have nothing to sell but their labor. We also aren't just automating physical labor, it's looking like more and more mental labor is going up on the chopping block first.
Now, I myself am not a capitalist. I'm a socialist (not of the Cultural Marxism variety though). The way I look at it, we're a wealthy enough society that no one should have to worry about being homeless or hungry. Now, if you don't do some kind of work that might mean you're living in a big housing bloc style apartment, and eating a diet that, while nutritious might be a bit boring.
Of course I also feel that this should be paired with fully subsidized university and trade school education. As a society we can't account for every bit of inequality, but it's also in all of our best interests to ensure everyone smart enough for higher education gets it. More informed citizens and voters, more egg heads in labs discovering better medicines and inventing better machines that improve all of our standards of living.
If that means fewer people can afford gold plated Lamborghinis or Super Yachts, I feel like that's an acceptable trade off. Reward success and work, not exploitation.
iseeyou1312 7y ago
The ratio would perhaps be that low for primates such as gorillas that have a male dominated harem, but for chimpanzees, humans, bonobos, etc... it would be much higher. As a species becomes more intelligent, the beta males become much more dangerous, forcing the top men to share the women or be killed. IIRC roughly 40% of males have passed on their genes, and 80% of women.
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That stat came from a study of all human males throughout time. It does not apply to humans today. Most of all it's a hypothesis. There's no way to prove 100% that it's true.
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Means of demonstrating value are much more far reaching than simply appearance, so I can definitely believe higher than 20%. I do agree, though, that only 10-20% are truly experiencing abundance.
endertheend 7y ago
People always bring up
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like they mean anything. . .People who bring them up dont realize that bonobos ONLY survive because of man protecting their habitats(go go wikipedia) if man didnt protect the habitats of the bonobos then they would have died out years ago. when ever I see
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in a conversation I know that person has no idea wtf they're talking aboutiseeyou1312 7y ago
It's the same with gorillas who are sexually polar opposites of bonobos. The most successful primate species other than humans is chimpanzees, who are sexually very much like humans. They're also the most intelligent apart from ourselves.
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The conversation implies bonobos in pre-historic times where they were uninfluenced by humans
bowie747 7y ago
Sounds pretty accurate. Based on that model 40% of human men are biologically worthwhile fucking from a woman's perspective. Then perhaps modern laziness on men's behalf and pickiness/entitlement on the woman's behalf pushes the ratio to 10-20%.
iseeyou1312 7y ago
I doubt it. In the past there was no welfare check for women to collect in order to feed their illegitimate children, they would have had sex with betas just for survival and protection. And other things like procreational rape, slavery, warfare, institutionalized monogamy, etc... also existed that largely no longer do and nowadays we also have effective forms of birth control.
If men improve themselves, it merely makes getting into the top 20% more competitive. It doesn't mean more sex for all men. In the baby boomer generation and earlier, men didn't really need to improve themselves to get sex. They simply left school, got a job and got married, it was a normal life progression for many men. Very few of them worked out, and unless they were in a trade, very few of them were muscly.
johngalt1234 7y ago
Patriarchy artificially lifted the status of men demoted women. Hence satisfying hypergamy.
Hence this reproduction rate.
iseeyou1312 7y ago
No such thing as "patriarchy," but I presume that you mean civilization? On the contrary the development of agriculture devalued men and male labour as domesticated animals performed most of the work and hunting was no longer necessary - much like how industrialisation replaced male labour with machines.
johngalt1234 7y ago
Patriarchy is where the government/military is entirely composed of men. And Fathers have Authority over their wives and children.
Pretty much every country that is civilized have this structure.
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bigdickdaddyo 7y ago
This is right on. When I was younger I was beta, raised very sheltered. I had such a hard time getting laid. Once I stopped giving a fuck, I worked on my education and career. I'm not very attractive, and I'm fat, but I'm smart, successful, confident, and make six digits. And go figure... I get more pussy thrown at me than I can handle. I'm now in that 20%!
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TheInevitableHulk 7y ago
If you like sexy ppl the least you could do is be sexy yourself
bigdickdaddyo 7y ago
I guess "fat" was oversimplified. I'm not morbidly obese. I'm just not in King Leonidas 300 shape. I actually do exercise and diet. But not for pussy - I do it for my own health.
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bigdickdaddyo 7y ago
And for being in the 20%. I guess I need to be more specific for these neckbeards. I'm not fat, I'm in good shape healthwise. Just not a model body, more like a lumberjack body. And beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. I knock down really hot chicks.
el_beso_negro 7y ago
No worries man, the only guys resenting your type of success that doesn't obsess over looks are those who don't have anything going for them in other areas in life.
That being said looks are very important (almost as important as status which seems is what you have), such that you can get away with being a handsome asshole but not get a way with being an unattractive nice guy.
The_Red_Paw 7y ago
I would suggest it is mostly the former. There is no lack of men looking for ladies. Check out any online dating site to see a 20 to 1 ratio of men looking for women.
The women have no real need to find a husband since Uncle Sam will look after them when they are old.
The percentage of men that have gone MGTOW is almost negligible compared to the overall population. A rounding error compared to all the deluded heffers who are still holding out for a 6'2" millionaire with 6 pack abs.
Your_Coke_Dealer 7y ago
Most don't call it "going MGTOW". The SMP is like the job market. If you don't get anything after a while you just stop counting. Attempts become halfhearted and continually futile, and some men do just stop trying. They'll just get fatter and play video games. It's not a conscious decision necessarily, just a non bitter form of defeat
mgtown 7y ago
This isn't quite right.
Women seem to gain their self-worth from the number of orbiter males around them. But let's be honest. These orbiter males are a very specific demographic. Financially stable, but not stellar. Socially adequate, but not the social centre. Physically able but not with physical prowess. Yet, older, usually intellectually specialised, and emotionally invested.
Almost all of MGTOW is targeted towards the last part for these men. Without these men being emotionally invested, these women have no safety net. So yes, a lot of women hating on men and men still looking, but now the turn over is ridiculously high on the ask made by men between different women.
Women are just slow as usual to realize 1 guy being emotionally invested provides more self-worth than 1000 dating-site hits. Sort of like how 1000 Facebook friends are worth less than one real friend.
skoobled 7y ago
You over estimate their capacity for boredom and poor forethought - the one loyal guy might provide better aggregate benefit, but only in the long run. Whereas lots of admirers right now provide an instant dopamine fix. Men have the same problem though - a truly high quality women is a better long term investment than a bunch of bar skanks, but in that short term...
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yomo86 7y ago
I just had some business to do in Japan. It was funny. They first ridiculed the guys, and to some extent we at TRP do sometimes the same; saying things like: You are a pussy for not chasing tail. Then they shamed them. Some ads do that like "do you want to be a herbivore or a carnivore buy X perfume" and in a recent news article they urged them to get married because they own it to the country. It is madness over there. In feminist utopia any girl could just have a baby by in vitro. But all of them want the attached slave to it.
el_beso_negro 7y ago
Hahaha totally true! What's a baby worth if you can't get your slave combo?
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yomo86 7y ago
I hate to burst your bubble. But Japanese women want a provider (I tried the AF method and only got make outs as a result). And slut shaming is rampant over there (as it should be).
TheFishSeattle 7y ago
You think slut shaming is good? Some of you pussies are so short-sighted. lol.
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Iusethisforpornlol 7y ago
So if the Navy stations you in Okinawa, and you're on your a game, you'll get multiple times more pussy than here in the states?
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Resource_account 7y ago
There's a high chance I'll get station somewhere in Japan once I get my orders (I've heard you can go anywhere as an IT). Is learning the language necessary to get laid?
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EmpReb 7y ago
I knew one of my AIT Sergeants when I was in phase two training for my MOS had Japanese wife. Looking back that mofo was far smarter that gave credit to at the time.
Joshreece 7y ago
Perhaps you mean "Hikikimori"?
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That's what I looked for in the article I read about it and no mention of male female ratio was nentioned. I guess I got the SJW sanitized version.
inspiron3000 7y ago
The Guardian link (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/03/millennials-dont-have-sex) is an opinion piece by a feminist blogger.
This link refers to another article (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/aug/02/less-sex-please-were-millennials-study) by the Guardian (from the previous day) by a science editor.
The initial article references the wrong paper (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-016-0769-4) (open science behind paywall) making the stats mentioned impossibly confusing.
You may use critical thinking and find the real abstract (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-016-0798-z) (paywall) and the full paper (http://sci-hub.cc/10.1007/s10508-016-0798-z)
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Wow that's awful, thanks for posting it
rumovoice 7y ago
This stat is completely wrong and is made by someone who wasn't able to properly read the original article. This was mentioned multiple times in top comments.
insoucianc 7y ago
Not true. Overall decrease was an average of 15%. 5% decrease for women, 25% decrease for men.
elevul 7y ago
Yeah. I don't think we even have the full breakdown, sadly.
pink_ego_box 7y ago
Yes we do. The article is cited in OP's link and anybody can use sci-hub to circumvent paywalls.
"The increase in adult sexual inactivity between the 1960s and 1990s cohorts was larger and significant among women (from 2.3 to 5.4 %) but not among men (from 1.7 to 1.9 %)."
"The larger increase in sexual inactivity for women (vs. men) is inconsistent with previous research finding that men and women’s sexual behaviors have become more similar"
"The shift toward higher rates of sexual inactivity among Millennials and iGen’ers was more pronounced among women and absent among Black Americans and those with a college education"
All comments above yours are stupidly misinformed opinions and not facts.
elevul 7y ago
Oh. But that doesn't make sense when seen in a TRP perspective, because in real life we see young women having overwhelmingly more sex than young men. So either the interviewed women lied (probable, considering that we have seen them lie plenty of times in other non-polygraph tested surveys), the women experiencing less sex are utterly unattractive (obesity epidemic?) or there is another factor at play here.
pink_ego_box 7y ago
See, that's the problem. Your beliefs based on anecdotal evidence clash with scientific data with tons of controls. Yet you prefer your beliefs to the data to alleviate your cognitive dissonance. TRP is not a religion, dude. It's trying to see the truth and the facts to improve yourself.
There are lots of explanations of how they controlled the surveys (they're anonymous, they can refuse to answer some questions, etc...), and how they controlled the data for biases, in the study. Read it before looking for explanations that fit your beliefs.
There are also theories that explain the difference, including the fact that hookups actually rarely end up with sex (according to both male and females), and the fact that marriage occurs more lately now than before.
L-System 7y ago
False
It said, millennial women went from 2.3% to 5.4% that’s 2.35x. Men went from 6 to 15, 2.5x.
It’s pretty much proportional
frankgrimes5 7y ago
Where do you see 6->15? I'm reading the paper trying to find the actual numbers because there's so much debate over them in the thread. I see the total "sexual inactivity" going from 6->15, but then something fishy happens and they report females at 2.3->5.4 and males at 1.7->1.9, which doesn't add up.
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
Women could go from 1% to 2% and men from 50% to 100%. It's both a 100% increase, but don't pretend it's the same increase.
Hexthorne 7y ago
It's even more false than that. The original study is only talking about the % of the population self reporting as virgins increasing, not about amount of sex for the population overall.
Millennials are not having less sex, there's just more virgins (neckbeards and whales) within the Millennial age range than were seen previously.
These are also self reporting numbers, so it's difficult to tell if there's an actual increase in virgins or just an increase in the number of people willing to admit it in a study. The shift could also be related to access to porn, the obesity epidemic narrowing the dating pool in the top range (that's definitely a factor but hard to tell how big of one), or economic in nature.
Holy fucking hell this sub is absolute trash at parsing scientific studies.
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euneaux 7y ago
The 1000-Cock-Stare epidemic is worse than ever.
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/the-difference-between-promiscuous-men-and-promiscuous-women/
Have you ever seen a porno where in the end of it after the woman has been finished with, her eyes are just wide open and she has a deadness in her eyes.
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-56218-post-1317011.html
Your_Coke_Dealer 7y ago
So many sorority girls. They also are fully aware of how skanky they've been and have a tendency to eventually feel worthless when guys fuck them but never commit.
Well, duh, I'm not stupid and I know they're fucking a dozen other guys this week alone. Why would I take the bullet and commit?
the_pill_is_free 7y ago
Before it was just hookers and strippers that had it. After using the services of some working girls, you start noticing the dead eyes everywhere.
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This. Another article on this same study stated that only 5% of Millennial women were sexually inactive. If 15% of all Millennials are sexually inactive, this suggests that 25% of Millennial men aren't having sex at all.
The real story is that Millennial men are 5 times more likely to be incels than the women of their generation.
blackhawks93 7y ago
Yup. But remember that women are victims and men are oppressive. White males control everything and have absolutely no problems. /s
takkun22 7y ago
what statistics?
i don't see any raw data anywhere
PM_me_ur_earpussy 7y ago
Are you sure that you looked at them?
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covertpenguin3390 7y ago
Well back in the day women couldn't just "explore themselves" sexually for so long and get away with it meaning that more of the male dating pool was "taken". Now that they can bang as much as they want without too much repercussion, they can stick to the top 20 like you said. I don't just blame it on feminism though, I really do think that beta/video game nerd males have just gotten worse over time since there's no more tough love any more. Hell, I'm glad I got bullied a little bit my freshman year of highschool, got me to join the wrestling team and be good at something other than math and halo. Not being coddled in my social life is probably what drove me to be the somewhat success with women I have been now that I think of it.. Bring back bullying!
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I immediately thought of the 80/20 with tinder hookup culture. Less men are having sex because women have such a ridiculous number of options readily available to them.
Banned_For_Opinion 7y ago
Go figure, women still choose when and where they get to Fuck. When you use sex as currency and everything is about sex, but sex. Men tend to stop trying. I know I try a lot less than I did 10 years ago because I'm sick of dealing with women's bullshit. Sticking my dick inside of them usually isn't worth the effort anymore. Usually...
Theophagist 7y ago
And that's why the old bucks are cleaning up at the sororities. Gen X men are in their SMV prime right now and the young "can I kiss you" generation of men just can't compete.
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Im sure other Gen X'rs in here will confirm this. We are spoiled for choice with girls in their early 20s. They cannot stand men their own age. I see it in action at my local bar. The bartender and all the younger guys have the hots for the girl their age behind the bar but they will not make a move. This current generation pander to these whores and get fuck all in return. It is hard to watch. At least my son will be taught properly, I will teach him to be aggressive and lead women. Rapid seduction is the only way to treat a woman yet the poor kids these days do not have a clue. I guess I will be forced to continue fucking 20 somethings deep into my 60s. It's a dirty job but someone has to do it.
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SavageStalker 7y ago
Having been glued to their Poke'Mon Go games certainly won't help them materialize their innate manliness. Last generation of men serve as a very important example of qualities such as : integrity, courage, tenacity, chivalry and having a sense of duty in your work/job.
bowie747 7y ago
You're the hero that this world needs.
LadyLumen 7y ago
As a millennial woman I can agree with this. Gen X guys seem a lot more masculine than my generation. Maybe it's the fact that we have chemicals mimicking estrogen contaminating our food and water supply, maybe it's feminism, maybe it's the vast number of guys being raised without dads. It's probably a lot of things. But a lot of guys in my age group really are goony beta weenies. Many of them even seem gay (who are not gay) and walk and talk in an effeminate manner. And this whole stupid hipster trend doesn't help.
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HillaryLovesSeizures 7y ago
An excellent book on this subject is Boys Adrift: The Five Factors Driving the Growing Epidemic of Unmotivated Boys and Underachieving Young Men
The endocrine disrupting phthalates (estrogen mimicking) present in plastics pose a huge problem for boys. The book states that boys born today have 50% or more less testosterone compared to boys from the 60's. These endocrine disrupting phthalates also make girls more masculine. It's scary stuff.
wile_E_coyote_genius 7y ago
Where's the link to that mouse experiment?
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chadeusmaximus 7y ago
"Gen X-men". I'm a superhero!
Theophagist 7y ago
Heh I'm more of a mutant but what I lack in preselection I have in charismatic masculinity.
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"That's rape!" -today's generation
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DarkuSchneider 7y ago
I'm 40 and the baby face has finally paid off as I get hit on by girls half my age now I am set in work and in descent shape. I consider myself average but in way better shape than my peers or these doughy or scrawny effeminate boys we have now. In HS/college I used to hate the older guys that came to the clubs and cleaned up. Working with bands in college helped but the rich kids and old guys could still get more action as I was still disney blinded but now I get it. I have money and many exciting stories and can offer instant fun now since I have no baggage to leech my resources and genuine confidence from life experience. For me what works is acting completely indifferent to their attempts at sex appeal then confidently using kino when I choose to engage. I have been complimented by more than one girl for having the balls to pull her into my arms or spank their ass playfully as I flirt with them. I was surprised spanking gets so many turned on. Daddy issues galore I imagine but the younger ones are often annoying except in small doses. Luckily most of them now days just want dial-up fuck buddies for the novelty of having an older man desiring them, whatever, its amusing letting them try to wear me out and seeing them have their first full-body orgasm after playing with boys. Learn how to work the human body and kino, women are all about the feels. They will stay with a broke POS that treats them like crap if they get fed the feels they desire.
prophetx10 7y ago
kino??? thank god for urban dictionary.
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DarkuSchneider 7y ago
Read SGM but not that first one, thanks. One key to understand with attraction and comfort is the understanding of biological stress. Men and women deal with stress differently mentally and chemically.
Men need to generate free Testosterone to lower the stress hormone Cortisol in their bodies. That is largely done by doing things including lifting, solving problems, learning/seeing new things, fulfilling your biological imperatives, etc. We can stop Cortisol production if we can relax and forget our problems for a few hours. Coritsol when it builds up too much will poison you organs so your body makes you flip out in anger to spend it in rapid blood sugar metabolism (another of the many uses of Cortisol int he body).
Women need Oxytocin to lower Cortisol and they have more of it than men as a tax for the baby bakery constantly cycling her hormones to grow/discard living tissue which is trauma on the body. Cortisol production is non stop 24/7 forever but lower after menopause. Women gets all kinds of triggers to produce Oxytocin to counter this issue that are traditionally girly stuff where they use mental comparisons (shopping for fun) and nurturing (growing things or watching kids) compliments and gifts actually touch them on a chemical level sometimes, pleasurable touch is also a trigger for some. This is why they are needy for such things, by easing insecurities the get their stress levels reduced. Oxytocin is a bonding hormone too for men and women alike. Research found women who are too stressed can't achieve orgasm as often and need a little kick start aka the mental/physical foreplay that gets them wet. Orgasms cause usually the largest single shot of Oxytocin over any other activity and the deep long orgasms make even more Oxy so her Cortisol levels get slammed down. You know when they get all kitten like and want to cling to you as they bond as well as the word love starts getting mentioned. Men just fall asleep usually from the Oxy spike and start bonding (seeds of oneitis) with her. If I had a nickel for every woman or man bitch about a bad partner to friends who tell them to break up to which they reply "But they are soooo good in bed."
The human body is an incredible chemically driven machine but remember nature programmed it to trick you into reproducing as much as possible (especially men) and has the ability to disconnect via those same hormones your reasoning centers that would stop you from saying no to someone normally. Nature made men weak against women biologically to make up for our physical advantages. Think about it if they did not hold the baby bakery we would have wiped them out eons ago. We were built for co-dependence on some levels to draw us together and mate. Research the chemical they found in crying women's tears and its ability to kill you TS levels by a couple hundred units within seconds of smelling them. This takes away your rocket fuel and you lose aggression and sex drive and frame unless you are strong, callous, or they are not real tears of fear/sadness as the experiment found the emotion has to be genuine. There's a reason the water-works work so well especially on low testosterone men.
So my point to all this i guess is learn to keep her stress low and give her the big O and she will be attracted and addicted as long as you can do that for her. Money, power, and looks are mostly gravy to make up for the bulk of men who cant 'do-it' for her from what I have seen.
crayfisher 7y ago
You gotta learn proper sentence structure.
the_steroider 7y ago
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DarkuSchneider 7y ago
TS does not outright moderate cortisol as far as I know. It's after the dopamine spike that triggers TS production cortisol is consumed in the metabolic activity. But high TS likely keeps the waterworks at bay. <shrug>
Azevse 7y ago
Very profound.
This needs it's own thread, would you mind writing it? Your writing style is very good and you get points across easily.
DarkuSchneider 7y ago
I have been asked about that before when I have given the lengthy hormone explanation. I am working on a write up for it just struggling with some of the formatting commands in reddit. When I get it sorted and written up a little more concisely definitely will be dropping it on TRP, thanks.
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I'm almost 30. When I was 18-21, it seemed like women were much more interested in having sex with me, women may age and older, and they seemed more attractive. Somewhere over the years, this changed. Women seem to have gotten far less attractive, interesting, and more abusive and closed minded.
jackandjill22 7y ago
That seriously true. They're way more abrasive then their former contemporaries; not personally quite old enough to remember however when somethings wrong it's relatively easy to tell.
/u/illimitableman everyone's close-minded isn't that right?
hawkeaglejesus 7y ago
You know what's happened in the last 10 years right? Social media, smartphones, and SJWs/feminism.
Women no longer have to put in nearly as much work to get exponentially higher amounts of validation. Before the sexual apocalypse at least it was accepted that a woman had to be pretty to get validation, but now every woman is a special snowflake and if you don't tell that 200lb+ lard ass that she's pretty you're a misogynist rapist.
Feminism has also taught women that they can berate and abuse the fuck out of men and get away with it scott free. So why bother being nice and polite when you can be shitty and the results don't change?
Methaxetamine 7y ago
Is it feminism that does that? I'm pretty sure it was always like that.
You can blame feminism for a lot of stuff but women traditionally got a fat divorce settlement, the kids, and it's not like cuckolding didn't exist back in the day, everyone just got more aware after paternity tests.
Life has always been the same, awareness hasn't. War, crime and the nature of love has always been topics of discussion.
On the other hand, it's very sad that feminism isn't helpful to the people that need it (like the Middle East). It's evolved from give women more rights, to give women immunity and frame it as equality.
Theophagist 7y ago
I started to say "Maybe you changed." But I really think women have changed, becoming less attractive and interesting. And now I have to ask myself, have women always been this ugly inside and out and I never noticed it?
TheInevitableHulk 7y ago
Yes and no
For example a dog would behave the same as a dog from 10k years ago without any society or other dogs telling him that is the correct way to act
Rynolz 7y ago
An untrained dog is a pain in the ass. A well trained dog is a joy... A woman is a pain in the ass, and a feminist woman is almost untrainable.
ThereAndBlackAgain 7y ago
Women have always been this ugly inside, it's the laxness of society that makes it come out. The women from any country 400 years ago would still have the capacity to be like these women, they were just curtailed by their societies.
The perfect woman really is the greatest thing men ever invented.
IllimitableMan 7y ago
"Feminine virtue is nothing but a convenient masculine invention." - Ninon de L'Enclos
And to quote myself from an unreleased article:
Caucasian-African 7y ago
Your quote is right-on. When I come upon a beautiful woman, my instinct is to see her as virtuous, even "above" me. I've since learned that there is no correlation.
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johngalt1234 7y ago
women need a winnowing process.
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Theophagist 7y ago
That is the crux of the biscuit.
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
I'm having a similar experience. I'm a bit older than you, but I've noticed the average attitudes of women go totally downhill over the past 15 years. And it's not me that's changing (At least not in a bad way, I'm in way better shape and lost a lot of weight since my early twenties).
Women have simply become less tolerable. There are few redeeming qualities to women any more.
always-be-closing 7y ago
It's important to note, this is an observation that plenty of men come to when they have absolutely no horse in the race.
Plenty of happily married traditional older men, plenty of younger guys who are getting sex all the time as AFs, and plenty of chump virgin missed the boat types who are out of the game will all notice the same things about modern Western women, even when the context of a social interaction is decidedly non-sexual.
Because outside of sexual interaction, there are resource competitions, and the legal rules and social tendencies have been set up to mean women don't need to behave or play fair.
It's not so much, IMHO, that women are basically shitty - - women are just people - - it's that without consequences (or incentives) people devolve into their worst selves.
CQC3 7y ago
I have some ideas, but what do you think those redeeming qualities that they possessed in the past are?
I figure society has enabled the worst behavior with no consequences, effectively raising spoiled human beings. Spoiled human beings are the worst because they lack any sort of appreciation or understanding gained through hardship or humbling limitation. If they weren't spoiled so much, they'd turn out fairly level. Sure, hypergamy and AWALT would still exist, but to less intense degrees.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
Feminine energy is receptive and warm and soft and kind. Does that describe ANY woman you know today? Women have become less feminine and less attractive. By a lot.
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bowie747 7y ago
Reading RPW is basically the only reason I still care about dating.
welkie 7y ago
Really? Besides this subreddit, Conservapedia and RPW are pretty much my go tos when I want to lurk and laugh at some ridiculous shit. Sometimes it's too disturbing to laugh though. This place is cult-like.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
That was my assessment as well, being middle of X with no shortage of young sluts wanting to fuck. However, finding one worth more and a load of man juice on her face is near impossible.
blackierobinsun2 7y ago
Can I have one of your young sluts
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Certainly. I catch and release.
sunkindonut149 7y ago
I feel that today's young people are more sexually adventurous.
When I was a youth observing normies around me, there was less hanky-panky. But now people are talking about whips and chains dude, whips and chains, surprise buttsecks, the Dirty Sanchez and the Cleveland Steamer.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Mooj: It's not about these rusty trombone, and dirty sanchez. It's not about rainbow showers and camel-toe slide, and your Cincinnati bowtie, your Arabian goggles or the hot carl and pearl necklace, or pussy juice cocktails, and the jagged-head dildos, and the double-decker pussies. Shit stained balls, and cum swapping, and the hanging brain, it's not about the rattlesnake wiggle, and the alligator fuck house, donkey-punching, the tea-bagging-
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Theophagist 7y ago
I used to worry about that, but then I asked myself what I would even want one of those for. I don't care if she loves sports, guns, heavy metal, and hand-builds beer caddies for the top of trash cans, I only want her for her feminine essence. Male friends offer the intellectual fulfillment which I require.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Agreed, I don't need a bitch for that. I mean one worth fucking a second time.
Theophagist 7y ago
LOL true dat.
cannibaloxfords 7y ago
yea but what about when its time to have a kid....when ur older.....then u start looking and watching for additional elements besides killer sex, a fine body, and divine head.
Thomaskingo 7y ago
If that time ever comes you need someone, who hasn't had a history of egotistic behaviors. Find a women with a nurturing instinct and a responsible nature towards family life. Many of the divorce(with kids) AWALT stories have women with narcissistic personality traits in them. They simply care more about themselves than their children, and that makes a marriage and a family weak.
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Theophagist 7y ago
You speak as though this was the implied course, something to aspire to. I'm 40 years old now, no kids, divorced twice, and I seek to spin plates and do it until I die. If 19-year-old Christian virgin Sabrina Magicpussy comes into my life and I decide I want an LTR then so be it. But when a life partner becomes the goal I am treading in Disney Fantasy territory and almost guaranteed to fail.
I don't have the time or the inclination to screen women for their taste in music. Under 25, low BMI, not covered with tats, looks feminine, all the pre-req's are set, now to screen her with my weener.
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I almost died laughing. This is fucking brilliant.
DiebytheSword666 7y ago
Amen, brother -
I'm 42, and I'm turned off on the whole tattoos (and piercings) that most women have these days.
KumonRoguing 7y ago
I am glad this and the life partner with kids ideals are allowed to coexist here. Over in mgtow all they do is hate on mra and redpill. Then in mra all they do is hate on redpill. This is one of the most accepting subreddit regardless of what the rest of reddit may say.
killking72 7y ago
Well a lot of mgtow dudes I've seen fall victim to the mentality of "I know the one true reality" and then get a sense of superiority.
Guys in here just want to fuck bitches and high five eachother. Pretty chill.
SatanAscending 7y ago
It's your life and you choose how to live it, right?
KumonRoguing 7y ago
As long as you kick the shit out of whatever you do!
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
I don't really get the hate. I consider MRAS and MGTOWs brothers with similar struggles and understandings. Even if I disagree with MGTOW's conclusions, and I don't think MRAs quite understand the landscape (trying to put out fires at the top of the building).
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CQC3 7y ago
That's because MGTOW's are for the most part the "can't succeed so I'll just say I'm too good for it" types. There are real MGTOW's out there, but these are the guys who are just out there doing it. They don't brag about MGTOW or take satisfaction in "going their own way", they just don't even give a fuck anymore.
As far as I'm concerned, if you're not getting married, not having kids and are focused on a specific life mission, then you're a MGTOW. These guys who are opting out of the system but aren't getting laid at all...in most cases are just hamstering because they can't actually get laid or are allergic to effort.
cannibaloxfords 7y ago
i get what you're saying. My case is a little different, also fast approaching being older, have red pilled for a loooong time, all different sorts, colors, heights, 10's, etc.....but that male drive/instinct also wants a kid. I posted before here on this subject and got some killer replies
Theophagist 7y ago
I feel you. A shame a single male can't expect to be allowed to adopt.
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This is news to me. Are they generally denied?
Theophagist 7y ago
Single people in general are denied by the majority of adoption agencies. You can try but as a male in today's society I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're just going to be accused of trying to buy a sex slave.
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anangryterrorist 7y ago
alright alright alriiiight
nomames_bro 7y ago
Goddddd you butchered that wooderson quote
1v1mebruh 7y ago
For someone out of the know, what's the original?
Arcturus_ 7y ago
That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age.
nomames_bro 7y ago
"i get older they stay the same age" also watch the movie, it's a classic
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Where are the stats? I'm having trouble understanding the gender divide here.
DoobieEx 7y ago
I fall into the 1980-1989 millenial group, the last harvest from my generation is weak as fuck. We were boning plenty 10 years ago.
knightSwolaire 7y ago
Gotta love being in that 20%
nabosch 7y ago
It's good for us RedPill guys
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It probably has a lot to do with obesity rates too.
marinewannabee97 7y ago
I'm gonna say this as a bisexual guy. Women are stuck up, period. One shirtless pic on grinder and I can guarantee at least 5 responses within the hour, same pic on tinder? Fucking nothing. The start dates are also different, the two guys I met through grindr were at least 8s, however to even get a fucking response on tinder I had to lower my standards to 5s. IDGAF anymore, more time to train, study and work.
okiedokie321 7y ago
Fuck, I wish I was bi (straight male here). You guys have the best of both worlds.
tenix 7y ago
I have been lurking for about 2 years now and finally deciding to post. I would go further to say that social media is a major cause for this. Social media allows hypergamy to run unchecked. Imagine being a in a relationship while your girlfriend is constantly posting on twitter, facebook, snapchat and while secretly looking for the next highest bidder. It's disgusting. Our mothers did not do this. Our grandmothers did not do this. Western women today get more daily attention than 1950s movie stars.
Looks like someone else posted this, too.
Overkillengine 7y ago
Social media is just gas tossed on the already burning fires of Rome. Letting women have a pass on the obligations that gave men a reason to treat them as anything other than a disposable meat hole while still sticking men (specifically the ones whom were participating in society in good faith) with the bill was the spark that started the hellish inferno burning society down around our ears.
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ecosci 7y ago
Men are figuring out that losing assets and 401k the house and breech of contract (marriage) is just not worth a stinky ol vagina which you can get at random its no benefit to any guy anymore.
Betterthanuatlife 7y ago
Power is more important to me than sex. I want success more than I want some false rape allegation from a crazy bitch. So I focus more on my academic and athletic success more than my sexual success. Which of course drives my parents crazy. My mom hides it well but I know that she hates it. She wants grandkids desperately. I think she wants it even more than she wants me to have a successful life. Sorry ma, but I'm no slave.
blackierobinsun2 7y ago
Women are to blame for this issue, I've asked countless women for sex and they always deny me ????????????
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redpillschool Admin 7y ago
Some factors that I think are helping these stats:
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redpillschool Admin 7y ago
I don't know if that's affecting the virginity rates, but I know it's affecting the marriage rates for sure.
TooMuchToDoo 7y ago
I think the correlation between obesity and the easy access to porn cannot be understated. The US Department of Health states that 64% of the female population in the US are overweight and 36% of the population is obese (as an aside, the male population is 74% and 36% respectively, but the fact is that women aren't attracted to men in the same way as men are attracted to women-- we're attracted to good looks and beauty, women are attracted to that, along with charm, wit, job security... etc).
While the obesity epidemic spreads, males have easier access to viewing ungodly attractive women who appear more than happy to shag them, even if it might be through a computer screen. Looking out their windows to see Suzy McLandmass isn't exactly a motivator to get outside and mingle with the opposite sex.
MAWL_SC 7y ago
You know, it's interesting. If some fat old girl is suddenly present I'm like w/e, but if I know a young hotty will be around it's pushups, shave, best clothes, cologne, etc.
I struggle reconciling if this is pedestalising or simply alpha behavior.
Limekill 7y ago
It's not. Its getting what you want.
Pedestaling is being her bitch (i.e giving her everything/anything she wants and you get little or nothing in return).
mrheh 7y ago
Don't forget student are being programmed from a young age everything is rape and sexual harassment now with the added cherry on top is every single class will discuss how evil men, especially white men are. Boys/Teens are terrified to be labeled a sexual harasser and rapist or repeat the "mistakes" of other evil men in history. They are encouraged at a very young age to be a new generation of "men" who will basically be the weakest human he can be so woman don't feel inferior.
setzer_ 7y ago
Bang on. Makes me fucking cringe. CRIIIIINGE. I take pride in not having anything to do with that.
askmrcia 7y ago
This. There was a thread on the front page of reddit yesterday, where a user was asking girls what makes a guy creepy.
And the answers were just....
Put it this way most of the answers that girls say what makes a guy creepy is the following :
Don't know how to take a hint that we're not interested.
Adding girls on Facebook
Messaging girls on Facebook
Walking up to them and trying to talk to them when they don't even know you
Eye fucking them
If they text back short responses, then that means they not interested. So guys need to get the hint.
Calling them on the phone because no one calls anymore.
Trying to touch the girl on the first date
I can keep going. Girls are pretty much telling guys that just interacting with them can make a guy a creepy rapist. Guys are being taught to walk on egg shells around women now. The guys that so well with women are guys who don't give a shit being called a creepy rapist. But most men feel like they can't interact with women because they will be called a creep. And people wonder why guys fear rejection. It's not the fear of rejection, it's the fear of being humiliated and getting a label placed on you.
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logicalthinker1 7y ago
These are all correct answers... if they already perceive the guy as creepy. Women are absolutely abyssal at judging what they want.
All these answers assume the guy is already established as either creepy or kinda creepy. If some decent guy with good game was talking to them in public and wasn't awkward, they would have no problem with it. If the guy was hot, they'd have to change their panties.
Men do this too sometimes with "I like girls who are gamers!" No you don't. You like hot girls and if they game too then you hit the jackpot. The gaming aspect doesn't make or break them.
d0lphinsex 7y ago
This is my game. Works 60% of the time, every time.
askmrcia 7y ago
It's my game as well. It works quite well for me
d0lphinsex 7y ago
How's your procedure?
askmrcia 7y ago
I honestly have nothing else to add. I pretty much do exactly what you did.
I'm seeing a girl now who I'm currently dating doing exactly how you described.
Make eye contact, smile, hug (pull her so that she can feel your boner), kiss, run hands from back, to waste, to butt, then place her hand on my crotch and proceed from there.
If she stops you then move on then stop. If not, keep going until you get a hard "no". I always had a fear of escalating in high school and being called that "creepy guy". The one time I didn't care if I was called one was how I got laid and the rest is history.
Based on everything you and I just said, we are the biggest creeps based on what female redditors say. Lol it is what it is.
d0lphinsex 7y ago
Fucking YES! I try to visualize me being Michael Douglas eye fucking Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct. So spot on how I want it to be (and how it goes most of the time). It works best if the dance floor is crowded though. Where do you do it?
Yeah we're the definition of sexual harassment. It works though, so the ugly SJW:s can fuck right off. Strange that behaving like an alpha makes girls instant horny and wet.
askmrcia 7y ago
Exactly, dance floor works great. Now where I do it most is when u take a girl out for drinks and when I drop them off I get out the car and hug them. And then I start the process from there. So usually its in their drive way, late at night where no one can see me.
This is why I always try to pick the girl up. If you just meet them somewhere, you just cocked block yourself.
MAWL_SC 7y ago
You guys need to write a how to guide! Don't stop now,lol.
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Exactly this. Calling a guy creepy is a complete deathblow to them. I'm in great shape and pretty decent looking, but I would rather be called fat, dumb, stupid, idiot and all that, before being called creepy.
marplaneit 7y ago
I can make the most sexist jokes, use sexs jokes, all around my classmates at med school, and they all laugh.
Poor nerdy dude, made a so so joke being the most insecure bastard, and girls tried to be nice and made a half ass haha.
After that, all they did was telling me how a creep this dude was. Like really?
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mrheh 7y ago
Thank god I'm 31 now and the crazy feminist shit wasn't where it is now when I was just starting school. These little kids are going to hate themselves and be terrified of girls and too afraid to ask a man for advice because men are the cause of every problem in society and history.
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
this is exactly why I didn't have strong male friendships. The masculine men talked game. I didn't know why they would be jerks to me or my other (soft) friends. They spoke a completely different language and showed no effort to make me a part of their circle. Looking back, why should they? I was a weak (feminized) man. The end result was that there were two men: good men and evil men. Feminism divides men against themselves.
luciansolaris 7y ago
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awalt_cupcake 7y ago
We're losing that too. I've been in multiple fights with men since joining this sub over girls and not because I was gaming them! Just because they thought I was going to.
Brotherhood < pussy
misfit2872 7y ago
The most prominent way to be labelled a "creep" by women......not being a Chad,not being alpha enough for their tastes....or not being a douchebag.....basically being a member of the 80% club....
Chubby_Bert 7y ago
Reminds me of that SNL Sketch, Sexual Harassment and You
It is just the truth. Being unattractive and talking to women is almost raping them - at least they tend to perceive it that way.
TRP117 7y ago
Ironically actually creepy individuals such as Ted bundy usually have a harem of sorts that looks up to them and is attracted to them.
I mean look at the amount of pregnant prison workers and guards.
^ these people seem way more creepy to me than some guy who is stuttering and scared giving you a complement. But I'm a fucking man right, I wouldn't understand.
askmrcia 7y ago
Exactly. Creeps are defined if a girl likes you or not.
I've known guys that stalked their girlfriends, showing up at work, waiting outside their jobs and shit and guess what? Girls would still sleep with them because they are attracted to them.
Now you get some austic fat guy doing that shit. You're going to jail and get the stalker label.
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
The other way is to be Chad in her eyes and then turn into a sniveling beta. She'll think she got tricked into fucking you for so long. That means she was raped and you are a rapist that tricks women into fucking.
saibot83 7y ago
I've made this mistake once or twice. Oh... the HATRED that came my way. It turned me off of women quite a bit. I'm the same guy I've always been. I just got feelings for them and became too needy. I'm trying very hard to exorcise that part of me. I was insanely beta back in the day. Less so nowadays but it still lingers. The ghost of non girlfriends past.
KinkadesNightmare 7y ago
You gotta tell me how you turn off the neediness.
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
This shows how narrow minded women are of men. They expect us to be these walking stud machines and lo and behold when we turn out to be normal people with feelings, they retaliate in disgust!
Mudane 7y ago
Fucking exactly. In highschool and alot of these females think. Just because im openly sexsual and i talk to alot of females when im not in a relatioship. Im either s creep or a fuckboy. My friends and peers be looking at me like im a god because i went up and talked to a pretty girl. Now im a lowkey pua but still. Anybody can go up and chat to a beautiful girl. Like its not that hard.
Donald_Fuck 7y ago
It's been said before but I'll say it again, feminism is one big shit-test.
OP is placing the majority of the blame on feminism when we all know we could watch less porn, perform more reps and hit the city to open a bunch of women. Hypergamy exists to push men to their limits it's time to aim high.
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LadyLumen 7y ago
It's probably a lot of things. But doing a cost/benefit analysis, for a lot of people (especially guys) having sex is not worth it anymore. It's a lot of effort and risk, when he could probably have a better experience just watching porn and jerking off. I think also with the added addition of internet and video games, there are simply better ways for people to entertain themselves these days.
Science Fiction has predicted for a while that the evolution of technology and augmented reality would result in people having less sex.
grody_throwaway 7y ago
You can deem it unsatisfying if you want but you shouldn't state it as a fact without providing an argument as to why, because those are all realities of the millennial situation. I think how much time people can afford to spend at home (with pacifying entertainment) is a massive reason for why a lot of guys don't get laid. You think that if they were going out every day and meeting people like the old days they would be struggling the same, just because of >feminism? In Japan, men EXPLICITLY state this as the reason why they don't seek girlfriends - they're pacified. The Japanese male is less sexually active by orders of magnitude, and feminism has nothing to do with it.
We're talking about the differences in trends between Millenials and Generation X. Did you just say that a guy in 2014 "predicted" what Millenials were going to do? You do realize that the term "Millenial" extends to people of reproductive age BEFORE 2014, right? He didn't predict shit, he just looked out the window and noticed the obvious.
You're describing women influencing each other has the reason for a trend in males.
To be scientific you can't just settle on the explanation that satisfies you, you have to consider everything in their varying likelihoods. There are many, many other explanations for the modern beta male. It makes the least sense to say that what women say to each other is responsible for how they behave, because it's a diluted chain of influence.
I know a lot of beta males. It's because of the life they lived - absent of the trials and lessons that make a man. Kids that have never been in danger, never had to stand up for someone, never had to stand up to anyone, never had to overcome any great struggles on their own. They live in their houses in a redundant pattern of "life", stunted, retarded souls. The men we admire of past generations simply led more interesting lives, which made them more interesting.
Now you have a kid with video games, netflix, and internet radio. He stays inside all day using these things to pass the time. And then when he ends up being a beta kid who doesn't get laid, YOU'RE GOING TO SIT THERE AND BLAME FEMINISM? That's like blaming mexicans for the economy. Feminism is a troubled thing, obviously, but you can't blame it for everything. That's just dumb.
Please consider what I say and don't freak out for mentioning feminism in a nonpejorative context, I think we all owe it to ourselves to be as rational as possible and to consider all perspectives.
Canedude08 7y ago
Yep, the man who worked in the Ford Plant 100 years ago, or the man who was working on a farm was so interesting. Whether one wants to admit it or not, there are few people out there who live truly interesting lives, most of us live routine, sensible lives. No, the difference between guys today, and the guys of yesteryear was that women then had little choice but to settle down with a guy, especially if they wanted children, or any kind of stability. Remember, before the invention of the modern welfare state, if a woman had a child out of wedlock, she was doomed to a life of crushing poverty, and her children were unlikely to amount to much. Now, thanks to modern medical technology, and the welfare state, a woman can have casual sex with the Chads of the world, knowing full well that he won't ever commit to her. Even if she does get pregnant, the government will take care of her and her bastard children. The government is taking money from betas, and redistributing it to these women, which means that the ladies are able to have their cake and eat it too.
2comment 7y ago
I think feminism does, but not in way that has to do with the grrl power feminism. What we're seeing in Japan is probably a generation or two ahead of what we see here.
What I think feminized boys is a variety of factors. First, the modern school system, which has been around since the industrial revolution - hence why it's so regimented and scheduled like a factory. However, even then, there was a certain tolerance for roughhousing, pranking and everything else that turned boys into men.
One of my father's friend talked about how every pickup parked at school would have a rack full rifles during hunting season back in the early 70s (Indiana) and no one would think anything of it. Think of the shit show that would cause now!
Anyway, now with the rise of zero tolerance policies, you have boys get in trouble for standing up to the bully, boys being expelled for bringing puny pocket knives, and boys getting in trouble for being, basically, boys.
Add to that, we're really focused on getting girls ahead at all costs... and in areas they weren't historically strong at, like math and physics -- and so you have boys opting out because most females are frankly better at bureacracy-gaming (they're not the best but the lump sum are better than the lump sum of men). And that is the feminized school system.
It's not even the women that necessarily pushed it. I've seen men push their daughters into STEM, because it's their only child. Of course, low birth rates are another product of feminism/consumerism (career first, marriage second is instrumental in low birth rates).
Teen boys aren't meant to sit still during adolescents for 7 hours a day like school demands. Wwhy is gym like only 1x/2x a week in so many places? And then it's not much movement because shitty activities. That's an artifice we impose on boy, and when they can't adhere, we label them ADHD or the like, and medicate them until they're zombies.
Add to that, video games being their only semi-masculine outlet for many (FPS shooters and war strategy being the top games in that demographic AFAIK), and I think you get the current generation.
It's not really surprising Japan is ahead, they're more urban which leads a lot to this. Like the rest of the world, they have a longer school year than us (more days), most don't have our long summer breaks. They also heralded the video game renaissance back in the 80s and Asia in general leads in top players for certain games. And let's not forget the doting mother culture (again, women need careers, less children, only children get doted on which doesn't make children independently strong).
Fuck, and I didn't even touch on the processed foods like HFCS, empty carbs and other shit we feed our kids that don't help with energy levels but are sure cheap to produce.
Anyway, I swung by a park today while visiting a friend on a trip, beautiful day out. Sunny, not hot at all. Ground dry. Prime time. Prime location. Free. 3 baseball fields, 2 soccer fields, 2 tennis courts 1.5 mile asphalt walking path, volleyball with sand court, several grass fields for general use, several built in barbeque pits and picnic tables, 1 under big covered roof. EMPTY. 3 empty parking lots, probably could fit 150 cars, not even more than 6 there. Mostly 20s women joggers (hehe), but no kids playing anything. Think I saw 3 playing frisbee. Rest are all at home on their Xboxing, interneting, or fapping to porn.
grody_throwaway 7y ago
Personally, I disagree. I don't think that roughhousing, pranking, and the like are what makes boys into men. They have a chance of contributing but they're not significant. There's a subtle line between a man with strong character and a man who's just slightly hardened to bullshit. Plenty of guys can be tough in terms of fighting and pranking but nowhere close to a real man. Maybe their aggressiveness strikes some as "alpha" and constructive solely on that virtue, but that shit doesn't impress me.
I think hard work, overcoming trials, and accepting responsibilities are what makes a man. School is important for many reasons but it's not the end all of what turns a boy into a man, that's not what it's necessarily for. I do agree that it is healthy for kids to mess around and get dirty and injured and all that, as fucked up as it sounds. It is character building.
Yes, people are more sensitive about guns and violence and all that. I think this relates to a very different issue - how fearful of a culture we are, almost to the poitn of a fetish. People love to be frightened... Of Muslims, of immigrants, of guns, of the mentally ill, and to be brutally honest, of feminism. Everyone reacts so extremely to whtever they deem to be "the" problem. I'm a pretty laid back and nonreactive person, so to me society kind of looks like a bunch of chickens running around without their heads. If I were to blame a singular entity, I'd blame the media. Fear is its prime source of profit.
Zero Tolerance policies are awful, but they're not as pervasive as you think. Most schools are staffed by underpaid and well educated individuals who have accepted the profession out of a desire to do good by future generatios, and they have the ability to practice their own judgment. The school I went to had a zero tolerance policy, but if kids got in a fight, they would just get a stern talking to, maybe a suspension. But this isn't the case at every school, we've heard the horror stories. But from my observations the main reason schools enact this policy is the fear of lawsuit. It's the parents of millenials who were the author of this problem - an incessantly fussy, bitchy people who file complaints and lawsuits for every occasion. It's the american way - complain and sue until you get what you want. It happens because people are entitled and because it works. I don't think it bears any connection to feminism.
No, I have to put my foot down on this one. Girls weren't "historically strong" at anything but cleaning and childrearing because of the sheer lack of opportunity. Sorry for sounding like an SJW but it's true. Scientifically speaking there isn't support for the notion that girls have any inherent disadvantage in these areas. I'm a millenial, I graduated 2012. I saw precisely ZERO evidence of any facet of the institution favoring girls or pushing them ahead. I saw nothing feminized about the school system, unless the lack of fistfighting is what would define that.
You are absolutely right - school is far too taxing on the American student, but this isn't a "boy" issue. All humans need physical activity and all adolescents should be spared the level of rigor our current, standardized, arguably for-profit system imposes upon them. Which brings me to an important point... Realistically, almost all changes in such institutions as education are profit driven. You can call feminism influential if you want, but it's unrealistic to say that people are putting toxic policies in place out of idealistic conviction. These changes happen for PROFIT - to avoid lawsuits, to cut budgets, to promote themselves as a 'good' school above others with high test scores and college acceptance rates. None of these people give a flying fuck about what feminist values may be.
Speaking as the kid who played a lot of those games in high school, the gun/war aspect isn't what attracts boys: It's the competitiveness. Boys are more competitive than girls, I'll grant you that. But this isn't terribly important, I think we agree on the matter of video games and general digital entertainment being pacifying to an unhealthy extent, keeping kids from developing as they should.
EXACTLY. This is the real fuckin problem right here, man. My mom works as an educator, and she said that recently, for the literal first time, she had begun to see kids who didn't know how to run. Like when it came time to run laps, they were awkward and clumsy and weren't entirely sure what they were doing. Obviously these kids grew up with sedentary activities, and I find it disturbing that it's such a thing.
As a final note, and I may be getting bold here -
Feminism only ever struck me as people trying to prop up the less fortunate, at least those deemed less fortunate. As an immensely popular ideology with no regulation it naturally attracts a great number of nuts. You can't lie - redpill does too. This is the course of any popular unregulated ideology. But the concept of persecution of men being a driving element of feminism just doesn't seem accurate to me. It strikes me as an extension of the aforementioned fear effect, and it does irk me a little to see how people on this sub talk about feminism like the fuckin boogeyman, the force pulling all the strings, the author of everyone's pain. I don't buy it. I honestly think people see feminism as a contrary force to their sexual pursuits - a loud force that offers nothing for them to gain. Why would they be into it?
SonOfAFeminist 7y ago
And here you fall for the feminist propaganda:
Feminism at large doesn't fight for poor women, it fights for the already very privileged women of the western bourgeois class.
Historically, men and women had a deal. Women had lesser social influence, but where protected by society as a whole. Men got the fat end of the stick but also more dough. Yes, women were/are repressed, but so are men. The central feminist dogma that women are more repressed then men is nothing but bullshit and a toxic lie which prevents society from social development. Leaders love feminism- weak men don't fight and all other ones are busy in the constant battle of the sexes.
Since you did not have a case of female privilege at university, i'll give you one. At biology class, we had to dissect rats. In our group of 40 with half of them being women, four of the women cried and said they can't do it, so, they passed the class without. This is a privilege a man can't take.
Also:
The hint is in the name! Feminism makes men responsible for the sad state of the world (heard of the "patriarchy" before?).
Eyes wide shut, you have.
grody_throwaway 7y ago
I don't see what bearing any of this has on reality, it's just a bunch of random postulation.
based on what
No
How
How would it
This is stupid
So you provided an example of sexism. Was this supposed to be what drove your argument home?
From any logical perspective of anyone who know as anything about anything the world is not in a "sad state" at all, in fact it's in a markedly better state than it has been at any point in human history.
SonOfAFeminist 7y ago
Hear, hear, white knight.
Based on the massive influence feminism has in the universities, based on the german equality law which is one main archievement of modern feminism but has only relevance for a few high-class employment types and based on the fact that every self-pronounced feminist i met either was a student or had a degree.
Yes. Men do all the crappy tasks liking going to war to secure wealth and die considerably younger so. Here is a link going back to 1840: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html Same is true for older ages, but offset by the higher death rates by child birth.
Is this a trick question? Do you live on this planet?
By ridiculing the topic of male opression.
Feminism is a toxic ideology that infected every social movement. Sexuality is every persons weakest spot and the art of ruling is something that grew a few thousand years. Barak Obama is a feminist and so are most other western leaders.
This is one example of pro-female sexism. There are plenty of them in our society, but i guess not on your planet?
From the logical perspective of middle and upper class westeners, yes. And wait a few years, there is a storm in the make.
However, i'm wasting my time. Isn't there a female being urgently requiring your help right now?
grody_throwaway 7y ago
Does this even mean anything any more
What an incredibly flimsy argument. You have this claim - " fights for the already very privileged women of the western bourgeois class." Unless this is some half baked semantic trickery you are implying that this is to the exclusion of non-privileged-women-of-the-western-borgeois class.
The presence of feminism in universities has no immediate inherent meaning and would serve as a potential indication of the phenomenon you're describing at absolute best, it is by no means a basis for the claim. I could write a book exploring how incredibly flawed and fallacious this is as a line of reasoning. Feminism has a lot of influence in universities, therefore it must focused primarily on the demographics which occupy universities? Feminism exists outside of universities, as do a great number of demographics that Feminism could potentially appeal to regardless of your feelings on it. It's like saying sinks in Men's restrooms must only have appeal to men because it's men that use them.
As for German Equality law... I don't even know what you're referring to and can still see the flaw in your argument. It's just a law in a country. It doesn't represent the broad, vaguely-defined ideological movement that we call 'feminism'. It's a possible effect of it, maybe, although even that is up to interpretation. No way of knowing if it couldn't have happened without the existence of feminism. So long as it wasn't drafted solely because of an ostensibly feminist petition the argument you're attempting simply doesn't work. It makes for interesting discussion related to your argument but it does not provide a basis for your claim.
Yes, social activism and ideological identities have always been seen more among students and the educated than the rest of society, which fades with the years just as their dreams, optimism, and physical energy do. And the uneducated are hardly attracted to social activism at all.
You misunderstand - I know exactly what you were about to say, because I've seen this thousands of times. The argument is that society was better for women because the lack of job opportunity prevented them from taking dangerous jobs. It's not an impressive argument.
Imagine a society with indefinite free food, healthcare, and housing where no one has to work and no one is subjected to any worldly dangers beyond the mere presence of free-willed individuals around them.
It's called Prison. You should try it.
Yeah, and I'm a man, and I frequently find myself very, very grateful for it. I don't think there's any valid argument behind what you just said and your reluctance to elaborate validates that.
Oppression* and no, most feminists acknowledge Men's issues. I'm sure there's a handful of radical bloggers that say that all men are rapists and should be wiped from the face of the earth and all but I don't think it's anywhere close to the prevalent standard of the ideology.
Even this famous lady, who is the poster child of feminism for people who dislike feminism, acknowledges men's right's issues. The very first thing she says about gender issues in that video is that the fact that women are favored in custody court is wrong. I'm in college, I got stuck with a hyper-feminist history teacher who had a feminist guy give us a seminar. I didn't agree with them on everything but the core of it was really neutral in regards to gender: Just forget about gender roles and have everyone respect each other. And these feminists actually talked quite a bit at how hurt and neglected men are by society. "Feminism" has evolved quite a bit from it's etymological composition, it encompasses all social equality issues now. Gender, sexuality, etc.
No it isn't
This is where you take a step back and realize you're ventured into "everyone's wrong but me" territory. Maybe this is so prevalent in so many areas because it's right.
There are plenty of examples of pro-male sexism as well. There are plenty of them in our society. We can trade examples back and forth all day so that we can safely stagnate instead of forcing you to argue logically.
Seriously, I only see this level of irrationalism among people who take issue with feminism. Seeing people like you making the arguments you made literally pushed me into giving feminism a second look - in the beginning I was averse to it, but the absurd behavior of antifeminists kind of made me open my eyes. I'm not a feminist but I can dig it.
No
No there isn't. The world is a STRICTLY better place to live, you just romanticize the past and are gullible enough to believe the sensationalistic narratives that have become so popular in our time.
No. People like you just say this shit because it's exciting for them. There's never actually a storm in the make, history seldom works like that.
Well I am a pretty helpful guy
SonOfAFeminist 7y ago
Outrageous! Listen, i'm not being paid for giving you life advice, so i didn't read that wall of text, but: If you think the higher suicide rate, nearly all dangerous jobs, the way higher rate of homelessness, more drug problems and a shorter life span (it's more than 5% in germany!) is because us men are being less repressed then women, think again. Or just don't.
That's what she said!
grody_throwaway 7y ago
Yeah men have problems too
Addressed this, it's not a strong point at all.
What do you think this means? Explain.
What do you think this means? Explain.
What do you think this means? Explain.
None of what you said has a single fucking thing to do with repression though, save for the first. I don't think you've thought a single one of these examples through.
I will say that men can be more emotionally repressed, that mental illness gets less support among men.
But this whole listing off things that may or may not be evidence of men having something worse doesn't mean anything unless you're a fucking idiot. You do realize that an equivalent counter to this would just to list off things women have worse? It doesn't mean anything. It's a stupid argument for babies.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
You do know that boys and girls are different. Girls are much more suited to sitting for long periods. Girls are much less affected by demanding quiet inside voices and no winners or losers. Boys are 90% of so called adhd.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
So you're saying you disagree with everything he said? ;)
grody_throwaway 7y ago
I'm pretty sure that when I say "I agree with x" it means there is something I don't disagree with. But I do disagree on a lot of minor points, yes. What's your opinion on the matter?
Granarc 7y ago
Young Men are having less sex because LTR's are dangerous. Take 20-30% of my shit for 22 years if she has a kid.. take half my shit and 50% of my future pay if we were married then her mood changes and divorce rapes me, seems like a shitty deal to me. Thanks to this Female Superiority game of cash and prizes, men are going their own way. The thing that all american men need to realize is that anyplace else on this planet, we are fucking super status magnets. Go Lay Pipe elsewhere my friends.
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"The thing that all american men need to realize is that anyplace else on this planet, we are fucking super status magnets."
Keep on believing that.
plenty_of_eesh 7y ago
But don't come to Brazil! It's terrible for that here...
(Wink)
meninistMD 7y ago
Men by average are having less sex, women still do, and there is a group of men, the higher ones in the pyramid who are getting all the sex. I got no statistics but it is logical. thanks to communication and social media.
Drogba006 7y ago
Funny most of these say that they're "choosing not to have sex until later"
silverbullett 7y ago
Don't forget about the changing college graduation rates.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2015/05/04/the-disappearing-college-male/#7683b1b350f0
Women don't date down.
ImmmOldGregg 7y ago
They would rather eat each-other.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
Correct, but they will fuck down. They just ain't bringing you to meet their parents.
aewiggin 7y ago
Total surveyed virgins: 6% -> 15%
Surveyed female virgins: 2.3% -> 5.4%
Surveyed male virgins: 3.7% -> 9.6%
Trying to claim that there is a misogynistic component to this is complete bullshit. If their figures are to be believed, the ratio of of female virgins to male virgins actually declined.
zephyrprime 7y ago
The PERCENTAGE declined relative to the whole because the percentage of male virgins increased faster than female virgins.
Toolman890 7y ago
What do you mean the percentage of female virgins declined? It says in your comment there was a 135% increase. I'm confused.
penis_butter_n_jelly 7y ago
the ratio of m2f. female virgins increased, but male virgins increased more. the ratio went down
Hexthorne 7y ago
No, the proportion of female virgins to male virgins declined. Not in any way the same thing. There are more virgins of both genders (total % of virgins increased for both males and females) than there were before.
All that means is that the increase in raw number of virgins was smaller for females than males, which is exactly what the numbers show.
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LosingMoneyAllDay 7y ago
Fat girls get no action. Nobody can get hard for them. Hence, more virgins.
MAWL_SC 7y ago
A brief tour of any pornography site will tell you that men will fuck just about anything.
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This is wrong. When I started TRP I was hitting up the chubsters. They get sex.
[deleted] 7y ago
Fat girls get action, either by fetishists or guys so thirsty they could fuck anything. Fat men get zero action.
____MegaManX____ 7y ago
Fat men are beta bucks whom pay for action
ReddittFeist 7y ago
Fat fetish is a real thing among guys.
bigdickdaddyo 7y ago
Black dudes and Mexican dudes fuck the shit out of fat hogs.
LeFlamel 7y ago
BBWs think they need BBC imo. Dunno how Mexican guys play in unless it has something to do with feminist virtue signaling.
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CornyHoosier 7y ago
I hooked up with my first black girl a couple months ago. She was a lot of fun. My Irish-Russian genetics makes me a white fucking beacon in the black clubs I go to with my buddies. Hysterical shit, but it makes it easier for me to stand out.
Anyway, yea the races are going to be in all sorts of a blender as time goes on. The vast majority of our generation could give a fuck less what race you are, it's all about the individual.
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penis_butter_n_jelly 7y ago
I think it would be silly to consider that women lie MORE now about their sexual partners than in times previous. Totally anecdotal, but its what all the surveys show too--what i see are sluts that are way sluttier than ever before, but the average girl has far fewer partners than 10 years ago.
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penis_butter_n_jelly 7y ago
Its very simple. The societal pressure to be chaste has dramatically decreased in the past 20 years.
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There's a biological answer also: Millennials have low testosterone. Our environment is flooded with chemicals that raise estrogen levels.
http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/newscience/reproduction/2006/2006-1210travisonetal.html
TechnoRaptor 7y ago
If you score low T on blood tests don't they give you t replacement. My t is normal anyways
beginner_ 7y ago
Only if you are very, very, very low. The general guideline is 350 ng/dl blood or less is low enough for TRT. This is the average level of 80-90 year old men. So if you are at 400 at 20, your pretty much fucked and have to get it illegally or not at all. Assuming your diet and life style is in check, as a fat fuck eating chips all day, first get your life style in order.
So it also a hen an egg question. Is T lower because there are more fat guys with bad habits? Or are more fat guys because T is lower? (low T = more prone to store fat than build muscle)
luciansolaris 7y ago
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I have a High-T problem. As in a problem, higher chance of heart problems, higher chance of prostate issues (already had prostatitis 3 times and I'm in mid-20's), went bald in late teens, and have a sex drive that can cloud my mind at times. There are benefits in bed and in the gym though.
All these issues of guys being Low-T hasn't really affected me. The High-T problem me and my sibling have might actually be a boon protecting us from these issues.
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corsega 7y ago
This has nothing to do with high testosterone. In fact, it's the opposite.
Men with premature androgenic alopecia tend to have lower than normal values of sex hormone-binding globulin, follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and epitestosterone when compared to normal controls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_hair_loss#Hormones
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Below that article it says baldness is multifactorial. I'm High-T in blood serum tests consistently since I was a teen and bald, do not suffer metabolic issues of any kind, my genetics are likely just an odd mix but they have been repeatable with my maternal grandfather and brother having similar issues.
RPthrowaway123 7y ago
Since you have a lot of it, I have a diet question - do eggs/cholesterol really help? If they do, what sort of foods (besides eggs) could I be working into my diet?
ihatereddit613 7y ago
Saturated fat in general. https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/saturated-fat
Granted I've never tested this, but generally if I run a keto diet my fat intake is obviously high and my saturated fat is through the roof. I feel great. I'm sure there's someone out there who had the bloodwork done.
probpoopin 7y ago
Take a quality zma supplement, or full spectrum mineral supplement. That, vit D, and B vitamins. Zinc alone will help raise the levels. If it is gym related and you just rent seeing the gains you want. You need to check your diet. There are aps that track what you eat, and give you a vitamin and mineral breakdown of your diet. Creatine is the panacea of lifting supplements. If you aren't using it, start.
probpoopin 7y ago
Take a quality zma supplement, or full spectrum mineral supplement. That, vit D, and B vitamins. Zinc alone will help raise the levels. If it is gym related and you just rent seeing the gains you want. You need to check your diet. There are aps that track what you eat, and give you a vitamin and mineral breakdown of your diet. Creatine is the panacea of lifting supplements. If you aren't using it, start.
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I'm overweight and trying to focus on losing the fat. I am not doing keto, at least not yet. I lost weight before, just exercising tends to do it for me. I do eat 4 boiled eggs a day if I can because a dozen of large white eggs is 88cents at my walmart, it's a good cheap protein.
Overall my main diet was don't do candies, stick to meats and veggies. Avoid soda, eat brown rice/quinoa mix I make myself once a day if I have time (pressure cooker makes if soft and fluffy but can take up to an hour cooking counting warm-up, cook time, and de-pressurize time) but I add a bit of raw natural brown sugar while eating it to sweeten. I'm really not on any diet in particular, just eat healthy while exercising. Worked for me in the past the first times I lost weight and is working for me now, slow and steady. V8 Fruit Fusion is very good, I am considering getting a juicer to make stuff like that since it gets you a lot of veggies and fruits way faster and easier than eating the stuff.
When it comes to raising T I really never bothered to look into that due to my specific natural balance hovering above 1200 ng/dL. I actually avoid some stuff that would increase it, that would magnify my issues. Maca Root for example is non-hormonal, why I like it as a useful filler for any capsules I make.
RPthrowaway123 7y ago
Where do you find time to cook/eat all those eggs? I'm a GA so there are times when I get to work at 5:45am and leave at 8pm. Idk when I could make eggs.
I don't drink soda, I can get rice. Rice is super easy. V8 tastes terrible but I could deal with it haha. I have a good multivitamin (Ultimate Man from then Vitamin Shoppe, idk how widespread their stores are) so that's taken care of.
RedFrameName 7y ago
Juicing is really just extracting the sugar from vegitables. You should aim to just turn a lot of veggitables into a slurry and pound it down for the blood sugar stablizing fiber and the whole nutrients of the vegetable. Have a 350 dollar juicer and that's my experience with it. Lots of wasted vegetables or "pulp".
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Probably most guys are having less sex. Women are only upping things from what I know
virtualvirgincake 7y ago
Accurate. But do they want sex though? Or are they looking for their 'one true love' and getting alpha widowed in the process
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Probably, since women always look for commitment. The only ones who aren't are those already Alpha widowed. Their damage is a whole different topic.
Wingardienleviosah 7y ago
the mouse utopia expiriment This relevant expiriment deals with the social breakdown of a fully matured mouse colony in which all the natural hinderances to their population besides physical space have been removed. This means no predators and an unlimited food supply(aka the present situation of modern man). The results are quite pertinent to this discussion, particularly when references are made by the experimenters to the male mice that have opted out of the mature society and its confusing roles despite being physically normal specimens. They are reffered to as the 'beautiful ones'. The social breakdown and cessation of human reproduction reflects our own stage of late mature societal development. I think the level of violence and opting out among males is a natural response to the death of a coherent role for us in the society.
Simply_Sherlock 7y ago
Beautiful one here.
Let it all burn.
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penis_butter_n_jelly 7y ago
This is all true, but believe me, women are less happy right now than at any point in human history.
virtualvirgincake 7y ago
This is super depressing or very inspiring depending on how you look at it
[deleted] 7y ago
I only really lurk here but I have a scenario that seems kind of applicable. This is from a few months ago before I knew about RP or anything remotely similar.
I had a profile on OKCupid because I just moved to a new area. My profile looked similar to most others I'm sure - I like reading, hiking, blah blah blah.
Someone "likes" my page or whichever OK equivalent so I think, well... might as well start a conversation.
So I do so. Her first response is, "Your profile makes you sound like an MRA," to which I had to ask what an MRA was because I genuinely had no idea and the only google search turned up Men's Rights Activist - to where I really got confused because I figured that nowhere in my profile about enjoying reading or making beer did I think I put that in there.
The only response I got when I asked where in the world did you get that from? Was, "just a hunch."
Then the conversation was over. I deleted my profile shortly after and am still confused.
itsmehobnob 7y ago
Remember the scene in Good Will Hunting when the guy in the bar is bragging about some idea and Matt Damon shuts him down saying, "Of course that's your contention. You're a first year grad student. You just got finished some Marxian historian, Pete Garrison prob’ly, you’re gonna be convinced of that until next month when you get to James Lemon, then you’re gonna be talkin’ about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year, you’re gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin’ about you know, the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization."
The girl in question just got done reading about MRAs and sees them everywhere.
1v1mebruh 7y ago
This may also be a factor contributing to what OP is talking about.
darkrood 7y ago
When you feminazi, every male is male Jew
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bubbatully 7y ago
Yeah but she was right, wasn't she?
SpaceNerd 7y ago
You delete your profile after one negative interaction online?
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Nobody said it was the first and only.
flat6turbo 7y ago
use tinder and lie about your income on sugardaddy sites.
guaranteed lays.
D4rkr4in 7y ago
Wait girls browse both huh...
darkrood 7y ago
I thought you have to provide tax return, etc
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Hjalmbere 7y ago
What's the proof of this 80/20 'rule'? A lot of redpillers seem to take it for granted. I'm not entirely convinced.
ShallITinder 7y ago
I am going to offer some reasons for this, some of which involve feminism.
1 - Lower quality of women in general now compared to a while back.
Blame it on feminism, fat acceptance, or whatever you may want; men have to be the ones looking good while women are immediately above a 7 these days if they aren't facially deformed or obese. In the 90s you would walk around the mall and see so many hotties compared to now where you see so many fat girls, skillrex haircut women, and other women who have horribly deformed their own appearance. All of this leads to a large amount of good looking guys who are in great shape (since the pressure is now on the guys to look good, you can easily insult a man for his appearance) fighting for a much smaller pool of good looking girls.
I have found that some parts of the USA are exempt for this but most I would say are not.
2 - Fear, single parent homes, and the rise of the helicopter parent.
Blame the tiger moms for creating a bunch of spineless young guys who lack confidence and are too scared to approach women. I don't know what led to it but helicopter parents are one of the biggest setbacks a guy can have in life if his aspirations are to be a player. You have to leave kids alone in their teenage years to experiment or else you are going to have stunted growth in your kids.
3 - Economic situation.
Now more than ever, more and more younger people are living at home with their parents after college. A college degree today is equivalent to a high school diploma a couple decades ago. Now add to that the fact that the college degrees which do lead to employment (engineering mainly) tend to require a lot more time and dedication. The college kids you see partying and living it up on spring break are usually liberal arts and advertising majors who will be screwed in the job market after graduation unless they are very well connected by their families. From my experience, it is very hard to date around and get laid when living at home with parents compared to living on your own.
4 - We just don't care anymore as a society, empathy is dead.
We don't care for each other like we used to, everyone is out for themselves now. These days, there is less of a sense of community and people are starting to just give less of a crap about each other. A lot of this had led to lonely frustrated men lashing out (Eliot Rodger was an example of this). Many decades ago, whenever a stranger moved into town or someone was suffering, people would reach out and try to actually help them. I also blame a lot of this on issues such as a rise in immigrants who won't assimilate into American society and American people growing more weary rather than being as trusting of each other as they once were. A rise in divorce rates and the war on men has also led to this horrible situation.
5 - White population is lower now, more immigrants in the western world.
Lets admit it, whites are generally the most promiscuous race. The whole hookup culture and "college experience" thing, it all revolves around whites, the whites invented it. With the rise in cut throat academically inclined immigrants from the third world and those who are more religious, promiscuity and the same open minded hookup culture are slowly dying out.
Other than that, feminism has led to women having unrealistic expectations about men. An overweight whale now feels entitled to a John Stamos, not good.
whuttupfoo 7y ago
5 is pretty retarded. Sounds like it was written by a white supremacist. If anything, non whites are more promiscuous.
MOCKxTHExCROSS 7y ago
Really failing to see how white people, the creators of puritanism, are the most promiscuous. I doubt you can find any stats to support this claim that are not anecdotes or your personal experience.
Female imperative applies to all "races".
CornyHoosier 7y ago
That part was odd. I think it has less to do with immigrants and more to do with condoms, birth control and abortion.
URABellendM8 7y ago
yeah birth rates around the world would also disagree with him
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On the contrary. Birth rates outside west are higher because they don't have a hookup culture, they don't spend their most fertile years dating around while on contraceptives. They marry young and push out babies during their fertile 20s (and late teens). It is the hookup culture that depresses birth rates by pushing back marriage and family life, and emphasising temporary sexual relations rather than breeding.
johngalt1234 7y ago
Teens in general actually. Although western influence is shifting that upward.
Luckyluke23 7y ago
women already had everything YEARS ago. now they are just trying to take what men have.
edit: I don't know much about milo, other that what is poster here, though i am starting to warm to him. I did find i REALLY strange when i saw a video of him and he claimed to be gay. I found it strange, not because he is gay, but rather, i thought it would pander to the feminists because they are for the gays? or at least more gay rights? and he is fighting the white male ( or just male in general fight)
NaughtyFred 7y ago
Gays are becoming tired of being used by women to further their cause.
As a gay guy he can't be attacked with the classic "you're just jealous because you can't get laid" shaming tactic that females use.
Also as a gay guy (and therefore a lover of men) maybe him and others like him hate seeing the shit men have to tolerate.
Kleeke 7y ago
gays dont "love" men, they are attracted to men. All males favor females, even gays.
Layback 7y ago
he noticed there's a whole market of straight white males who were getting fucked by PC culture and feminism, so he decided to exploit his sexual orientation and intellectual prowess to fight the fight for us.
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Expectations1 7y ago
I might get flamed for this, but high speed access to HD porn of all variety, basically anytime anywhere would also have contributed to this.
Ecclesia_Andune 7y ago
Nice of them to step around any of the key issues like the F word like you say OP.
Honestly i went into the beta path of 'woman fear' for a long time which would have marked me as one of the statistics here. I thought they weren't worth the bother, the time, the money etc and did just as many did, played video games, watched anime, had a 'waifu' just totally withdrew
Thankfully i found TRP and realised that you can have women and actually have it waste very little of your time or money anyway and have the best of both worlds. But there are many, many dudes who are still in that hole
Flyllow 7y ago
I'm in that hole, feelsgoodman.
Scrubstepcat 7y ago
10/10 great post. pretty much sums up the reality here, and why ive been against feminism for a /long time/and only now with this shit opening up and becoming mainstream people agree with me. It's unfortunate we can't just live in a world where a higher concept of love is possible. I don't give a shit about casual (with a random person) sex, I don't get pleasure from casual sex, I need someone I love and unfortunately I like vagina. Love for me requires intellectual fullfilment, aswell as physical, it can really feel like a catch 22 at times. On top of it all, I can rarely find male friends with this fullfilment, let alone a female who can come close to fulfilling it.
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zarus 7y ago
This is why Lao Tzu looked down on morality. It's not because he wanted people to walk around stabbing each other in the face for no reason, it's because he realized that morality would be abused endlessly and shut down the natural ebb and flow of human society. If you want an example, look at the legal system. As in every part of it.
Gross_Guy 7y ago
I'm 26 and haven't had sex in 10 months. After about the 4th or 5th month I just stopped caring. The pursuit of money, improving my body and stuff that I want more is appealing to me anyway. Plus I don't have to deal with the fucking emotions that come with being with someone and dealing with them. Fuck that shit.
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Jesustash 7y ago
maybe its time we learned to have platonic relationships
Tailback 7y ago
I have a temp co-worker that's a 22 year old Male. He's on his 3rd Summer working with us and is a great kid. Funny, smart, and IMHO a pretty good looking guy. Better looking than I was at his age at least. He's 6'4" so he doesn't have my height disadvantage.
He could care less about girls. He hangs out with his buds, plays games, watches movies, and just enjoys his life. His ex girlfriend from HS called him last Summer for a bootie call and afterwards asked him to get back with her. His answer? "I'm not really interested in relationships."
I brought up RedPill and MGTOW to him and asked him if he had read any of that. He said "No, it's just that guys I know have seen how screwed up relationships are. Bitches are just crazy and not worth my time."
God how I wish I was that aware at his age. I'm happy with my marriage, but really it has been a huge waste of money. She had student loans and credit card debt when we married. We HAD to buy a house despite "our" amount of debt. Furniture, trips to see HER family, etc.... I was in the Army so a 800 sq/ft studio apt would have been fine with me until I die. I'd have money coming out my ears at the age of 40. Right about the time to get into a "seeking arrangement" or lining up escorts along with yearly visits to PI, VietNam, and Thailand.
Read this and learn all you HS to early 20's guys.
oneway_rp 7y ago
Late to the party on this thread but hoping you catch this. Coming from an early 20's guy who graduated college 2 years ago -- communicate this to your coworker or any other temps his age if you haven't. I found TRP when I was 20 during a summer internship, right after my LTR dumped me, right before my final year of college. The collective wisdom on this sub combined with being taken under the wings of a couple RP coworkers in their early 30's that summer forged me into a new person. Cannot tell you how grateful I am for that experience.
It goes against the milennial narrative everyone loves to shit on, but there are a lot of guys my age who genuinely want to learn from stories like yours.
Tailback 7y ago
We all are learning regardless of age. I'm closer to 50 than I am 40. I didn't find this sub until a co-worker and friend got divorce raped and made homeless and destitute over a single weekend.
My young temp co-worker is ahead of where I was by 20+ years.
Most young men don't take advice from older men seriously. I didn't. The 2 dozen or so kids that asked me for advice on the military never did. Every single one I ran into after the fact told me they wish they'd listened. I wish I had listened to my Father. My pops gave me solid RP advice even though he was at best a purple pill guy overall.
gekkozorz 7y ago
22 is a tough year to be a male, assuming you're anywhere below Christ Hemsworth and Ryan Gosling on the looks scale. There's a reason that's the age where the infamous Elliot Rodger went postal.
For girls, this is the prime fertility year, so they're having the time of their lives with as many chads as they can fit in their box. For a dude, you're nobody. College is most likely over or ending, so there's no longer a little mini dating pool consiting of 18-21 year olds where you fit right in. You're in the same dating pool as grown men. You're making shit money (especially in this economy) and your only fucking experience (if there's any at all) is with thirsty, needy college sluts who drink too much and give it up easy. Now you're entering the world of chads with actual money and experience and ladies with drying ovaries and heightened expectations.
I would never want to relieve my 22-year-old dating experience ever again - what a nightmare.
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Long_Stroke 7y ago
Ouch, that was just too accurate
CQC3 7y ago
It's even worse if you have no preexisting social circle and go to a commuter college.
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zedsdedforever 7y ago
keep going. As always, shit gets better when you make it better
virtualvirgincake 7y ago
Yo this is pretty accurate.
I was at the top of the pile in college and now I'm at the bottom again. Everyone treats me like a kid at work.
But I know just in a few years, the table is going to flip massively. I can already see it taking place as I get older and I'm getting more confident
Money, knowledge and fitness are the only things I care about right now.
Simply_Sherlock 7y ago
Keep grinding, keep grinding, keep grinding. We all gonna make it.
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virtualvirgincake 7y ago
Why are you telling me to be careful?
CornyHoosier 7y ago
You just describe my buddy to the letter (he was even in the Army).
A couple years ago he got oneitis from one big ol snooty bitch. Within a year and a half she pressures him into marriage. Within 6 months of that they have a new house, a kid (that seems like less than 9 months ... hmmm), a car (for her) and a dog and all their vacations are to her family out on the East coast. The worst part is that she doesn't even work and dictates how all the money will be used. I've literally started buying him cases of beer (when I occasionally am allowed to come over) because she thinks him spending $20 on a case of Coors every couple weeks is too much.
The poor fucker just got a new job and it came with a bonus. The moment he mentioned it to me her eyes and ears perked up and she started talking about how they were going to use the money on new things that conveniently were going to be used by her. He is confined to some hell hole they they have dubbed a "man cave"; which I just find to be special.
I'm the only single friend he has left as she has hate-banned all the rest. I recently kidnapped him for a guys day by saying I needed his help moving something ("nah, just leave your phone at home, we'll be right back"). I took him to a couple breweries, we went out and raced some remote control drones/cars, went for a sloppy BBQ lunch and topped the day off with a Rockies baseball game. I've not seen him that happy since our college days.
askmrcia 7y ago
This was really sad to read because you just described almost all my friend's situations. There are times I wished I was married or in a ltr then I remember my friend's situations or read something like you just wrote.
My cousin is married. He's 40 and I'm 26. His wife is what most would call a unicorn. Not a slut, pretty, church girl, and I can't see her cheating on him. Sounds good right?
Well why does my 40 year old cousin who is almost a pastor at his church often calls me or come over to my house out of the blue?
He hates being around his wife and three kids. Sometimes he looks so tired and defeated because all his money and hard work is going to his wife. Again this girl is like the best of the best. She don't work though, but she also doesn't demand tons of money. As good of a woman she is, he still has to spend alot of money to take care of her. She still can get on his nerves. Kids too. His situation is perfect because most guys would love to be my cousin, but I'm telling you right now the guy is miserable because he's pretty much a slave to her.
Me? I do pretty well with women. I have my dry spells here and there and sometimes I do get lonely. But those are temporary like a day or two. And I have far more free time then my cousin.
I really think being single and never getting married is the best way to do things in today's society.
okiedokie321 7y ago
Question: TRP thoughts on conservative church girls? Are they RPW material?
Overkillengine 7y ago
Because even in the best case scenario one still is a slave under the current marriage laws. Just because the whip isn't getting cracked across one's back at that second does not mean it isn't there and ready to be used should you have the gall to step out of your designated role.
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Exactly this. I would rather be an ugly dude who can't get laid, than a married guy who gets "duty sex." At least if you are an ugly dude who is single, you can at least pay for sex and you have less drama, along with more free time. My older brother is getting married and I wish him the best of luck, but I'm never getting married.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
Welcome to the club. Plenty of beer, tons of freedom to do whatever you want when you want and now all the women around us are slutty as hell so you don't need to get into a relationship to fuck them.
(Freedom Brag: If you told my 24 yo, broke, fat, virgin ass I'd be living my current life at 31 yo, I'd have laughed in your face.
I literally bought some ammo for my new Berretta .40 and some new FPV Drone parts last night. Then I went to the bar to drink a bit with some buddies, before we went to the Rockies game. As the game was ending I was drunk and horny so sent out a quick texts around the 8th-9th inning and had this new girl I've been seeing waiting at the door by the time I walked home.
If this ain't the American dream I don't know what is.)
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Venicedreaming 7y ago
Are you really happy with your marriage?
Tailback 7y ago
Tonight, no. But, on the whole, it's been pretty good. She's a submissive, has worked the whole time, and is a very good housekeeper. We found out after marriage she can't have kids so that's a big stress taken off the shoulders.
Would I have made the same decision with the info I've learned in TRP or MGTOW? No...absolutely not and I'd be a decade ahead of myself financially for it.
She's starting to lose her looks body wise now. She's 40+ but the fact that she has good genes, was an athlete, and no kids has kept her pretty damn good looking. The last couple years she's stopped caring about gaining weight. That pisses me off because for years she was hounding me to exercise. I am exercising now, lost about 20'ish pounds, am feeling and looking great.
Right now, I wish I was single and on a holiday tour through the Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam. Not just for the cute women, but also for the food. My wife is deathly (carries an epi pen) allergic to all forms of seafood. My Mother worked at a seafood processing plant and I grew up on the best of the best. I miss it. At least I get my sexual needs taken care of whenever I want.
okiedokie321 7y ago
Sounds like she is RPW material. Shame she is starting to let herself go weight wise though, but I also think if she's been so good to you for so long, there's no point in going on a holiday tour to fuck bitches. I don't think she'd be down with that. Not trying to be blue here, just saying what's fair.
Tailback 7y ago
She's about 15lbs overweight and still looks pretty good. Yes, she's totally RPW material. I'm not looking to bail out on her, she's been damn good to me all things considered. It's just the financials that piss me off all the time. We make decent money and are mostly frugal, but there's never money for things I want to do. We spent 15 years clawing out of her college debt.
blackierobinsun2 7y ago
If a woman doesn't want to have sex than she doesn't have a reason to exist on this planet
Involution88 7y ago
I wonder what would happen if possessing child porn were to be decriminalized...
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DankmasterFl3x 7y ago
I feel delighted that people are having less sex now. Finally, were focusing more on spiritual and mental enlightment instead of raw, beastial physical/sexual pleasure. We millennial men are controlling our sexual urges more.
For me personally, video games are a form of art with a lot of work put into their creation. I find video games, and many other things more worthwhile and fulfilling of my mental enlightenment than just sex.
wiwe97 7y ago
Young people are not as sex hungry I suppose. Im sn 18 year old swedish male and Ive only had sex once. That was when I was 15 and tbh since then I havent really missed having sex. Im doing fine without it
Gelu_sf 7y ago
This whole primal switch thing looks exactly like the women jobs in STEM: in societies where wealth is absent there are more women in STEM than in high-welfare societies.
There was a study showing that in Sweden almost no women go in tech, instead they choose soft subjects, nursing, humane fields, stuff like that. Whereas in Bangladesh you're more likely to find a woman programmer because they're forced in to a higher paying field due to poverty.
Same here.. when women have what they want they revert to their natural state. The path of least resistance is the most natural. Hence, those low-T millenials are not the cavemen women are looking for (and importing in droves from MENA)
Limekill 7y ago
Thats why they are pro-immigrant.
(I remember seeing a tv documentary about Swedish women who thought middle east / blacks / refuges were more manly).
Obio1 7y ago
Plunging testosterone levels too. It's why we're seeing less sex, more effeminate beta-males, and more trannies.
Keep your T-levels up. Eat peanuts!
jtzabor 7y ago
Peanuts? Is that because of the fats? Heard a keto diet can help out the T levels but havent had a chance to research yet.
Obio1 7y ago
Just high in zinc... Which men need to keep t-levels up. But there are other zinc rich options out there if you're not a fan / allergic, etc. But peanuts are probably the most cost effective bang for your buck for zinc.
Limekill 7y ago
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/the-6-best-testosterone-boosting-foods.html
Obio1 7y ago
Yep. Peanuts are the most cost effective.
CornyHoosier 7y ago
To ride your coattails ...
I live in Denver or as some may call it: Millennial Mecca. There are so many young men and women here it's crazy. As a Millennial myself I love it.
Here is the deal, there is a ton of fine talent here and it's absolutely a hookup culture. Everyone is out and about having a great time, so why would you want to settle down? If I go to a bar or spend 15 minutes on Tinder I can secure a date so fast it would make your head spin. The women want to have a fun time just as much as the men, so everyone seems to be happy (from my point of view).
The problem, for men, arises between the Have's and Have Not's. Denver is growing so quickly that good places to live are renting or selling out like hot cakes. Sure, you can live in the more-affordable outskirts of the city, but you'd be 40-50 minutes from the good scenes where the women go to have fun.
I live downtown. While there are significantly more men than women in this city, the women outnumber the men in the downtown and Capitol Hill areas (which are where the fucking occurs). In addition to that, if you do secure a date with a woman that lives in another part of the city you always invite her to the city with the promise to show her the "fun places to get into mischief"; it's always an automatic yes.
This means that basically it's a smaller percentage of guys that are scoring the majority of women (a concept that isn't new to TRP), and usually it's not the younger guys who don't have the funds to be in the right area. When they do make it down they head to LoDo area and it turns into a fucking meat grinder.
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Let's see...
vine90 7y ago
Boomer parents seem fine. It's the Gen Y parents that can't do shit
DoctorNation 7y ago
Lol.. boomer parents raised the millennials.
The same boomers who keep their cushy high paying tech jobs while not even being capable of running an excel file.
1v1crown 7y ago
Yeah if they interviewed the top 2% smv men their numbers would make up for all the betas they interviewed.
LifeWithTRP 7y ago
I personally blame my job, fucking shit long hours and cut throat corporate environment has made me a cunty pissant
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Millennial men may be having less sex but I'm in my 30's and I'm banging more 18-25 year old poon now than I did when I was 18-25.
I say bring on the sexodus. More for me.
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What are your channels for getting these women? Cold approaching? I am playing catch-up on the fincancial side of life so I am trying to figure out a doable system.
[deleted] 7y ago
Clubs, bars, strip clubs, hostess bars, rave/edm scene.
Nobody ever really talks about this but the #1 way to get hot young girls is to provide or associate with people who provide drugs (specifically coke and molly). Girls love drugs. A stripper will take $500 from you and not let you touch her but give her a key bump and she'll blow you in the bathroom.
insoucianc 7y ago
20'a here. Women 30+ are like shooting fish in a barrel. Funny how the script flips.
cat_magnet 7y ago
I'm in the boat. I find it way easier in my 30s to get laid. More confidence and money I guess
CornyHoosier 7y ago
Yep. I'm currently 31, but seemingly the moment I turned 30 it was game on.
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
I love it when 30 year olds post this. Lets me know my hard work WILL pay off.
MAWL_SC 7y ago
It's like day and night. Girls just flat out approach me, drunk women stare, bros wives rub their tits on you. Forget the married in your 20ies myth.
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
im going to wreck so many marriages :/
BowlOfCandy 7y ago
About to hit 29, recently crossed the six figure mark.
It's so easy now.
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
Yeah man can't wait to hit half a million poon
[deleted] 7y ago
Same here. It gives me hope that as long as I just focus on my career and all that, I can reap the benefits in 5 years. Currently 25
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Same, 24 and good job. I'm not totally dry now but it's not super easy for me.
[deleted] 7y ago
yeah, same for me, unless I shoot below my SMV and I'm looking to stop doing that too much. I'm a decent looking guy who is in great shape and stuff, but that's how it is, especially in college. I hooked up with some ugly/chubby chicks in college and word gets around about that. Right now, I'm focusing on the beginning of saving money for retirement and future vacations.
My current IRAs (roth and traditional) and 401K are looking good two years removed from college. (a little over $14K) I started working for a different place 6 months ago and I think they pays for graduate school as well, so I will look into that. Might as well get an MBA if it's paid for and it's a good place to work at.
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Get that knowledge and money bro. Vacation isnt really that expensive (especially when ur single lol) , unless you want to go all the way across the world, but there's still a lot of places in the US I want to go. I also went to South America for a week for like $800, but I had a friend living there so it was a bit cheaper. I think im good looking and im fit, but my game is a bit weak so I go below my SMV still.. lol
[deleted] 7y ago
I'm definitely about knowledge and money. With regards to vacation, I have signed up for a few credit cards in the past few years with low spend requirements ($500 over first 3 months) for the signup bonus, so I have a good chunk of points or miles to use for vacations in the future.
When I get home, I'm gonna make a finance post I think will be useful to people. Go in depth on brokerage/investment accounts I currently have and why (vanguard, Robin Hood, Charles schwab). Checking and savings accounts I have and one in particular I think everyone should have (it's Charles schwab checking for a number of reasons. In short, free ATM rebates everywhere, free checking 'no maintenance fees or account minimums, you can get free standard checks, to write checks for things like rent')
Here is more information on the Charles schwab checking account. http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/banking_lending/checking_account
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I would be interested in that. All I have is a checking account at a credit union. My money was starting to pile up in there so I put half into a money mutual fund, returns are tiny but its better than nothing. I have good credit from my car loan for the past year. And I have my 401k account which is similar in size to yours. I'm probably about to buy a new car that's stickered at about 28k (2013 ish used Benz, can't help it I love love those cars). That and rent are my biggest expenses. Other than that I feel like I have enough extra money I need to start exploring ways I can "play" with it and grow it.
Also, Are the rewards/benefits of credit cards worth it? I don't really need to build credit, but I did look into it as a safety net kind of, but I recently opened a second checking where I put small amounts into which kind of took care of that.
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I just did my finance post. Check it out.
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The benefits for credit cards are 100% worth it, as long as you are good with managing money and not paying interest. I currently have 6 different credit cards, my first one (Discover IT) I have had for about 5 years and they are all zero annual fees, so there are options out there even if you aren't traveling a lot like myself.
It's also good in regards to credit utilization and all. Many of them have different travel benefits and just signup bonuses alone, you get on money you would have spent anyways, can help fund vacations and also getting cash back. Another thing is if you get a debit card skimmed, they can spend money in your account and if something happens (like spending more money than you have in that account a a particular time) you get overdraft fees. On a credit card, you usually can get the transactions removed and no money ever left your bank account. I never make regular purchases using a debit card. Only use them if I need for depositing/withdrawing money or if I need to go to the bank in person for something. Everything I purchase goes on credit card and I set up autopay, which takes money out of my checking account, to pays the credit card balances every month.
Credit Cards also have numerous other benefits in regards to fraud protection, extended warranty and many other things. Definitely something to look into.
I will let you know when I do my finance post though.
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awalt_cupcake 7y ago
The hard part is staying disciplined to the basics: your game routine, working out, and staying on top of your shit
BlueFreedom420 7y ago
Sounds like the recipe for World War 3. I cant wait.
cs_throwawayyy 7y ago
I personally blame the rise of social media. Before all of this, people weren't aware of the high watermark lifestyles. Now all you have to do is scroll through any social media feed to find at any given moment that some one is having a great time(vacation, job promotion, getting married, etc).
So now the expectations for great life has increased, throw in women hypergamous ways. Do you think they want to settle for TV on the couch every night.
Ignorance truly is bliss, now everyone is playing the rat race trying to one up the other on social media.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
The funny thing is, people aren't actually having awesome lives. Their social media pages are the highlight reel. The parts they want to show the outside world.
Off of Facebook people fight, worry about money, deal with sick kids, work sucks, shit breaks, things need cooking and cleaning.
When you spend 18 hours a day on your fucking cell phone reading social media and seeing how awesome everybody else's highlight reels look, you start to feel like your life is falling apart. Like you're the only one who doesn't have an awesome life.
This is especially painful for women. When they look at all of the fancy trips and glamour shots on Facebook, it seems like everyone else's husbands and boyfriends must make more money, look better, spend more time doing cool shit, etc.
Social media makes attached women think that they've undersold themselves and need to get out, and unattached women think that objectively good guys aren't good enough.
themysterymanstan 7y ago
This is the most pithy, succinct, salient description of the fool's gold that is social media that I have ever read. This is also why I don't have facebook, twitter, or instagram. I have a great life and it is completely free of online attention whoring.
I_Need_More_Space_ 7y ago
Preach on reverend. People can't believe why I don't have ANY social media when I have a pretty awesome traveling profession. Women especially don't understand. "Why aren't you showing off on Facebook?," is the look and vibe I get. Um. Because I don't give a shit about sharing my life with people who don't matter. I'm aware of the humble brag, but it was necessary. Pardon.
askmrcia 7y ago
Easily the best and most true comment on this thread. Could not agree more. Thanks to social media, women never want to come across as boring. They look at all their friend's social media pages taking these amazing vacations and want that themselves.
You all really think girls love to travel? Hell no. They say they love to travel to seem more interesting. Girls only travel just to post pictures of themselves to show how cool their lifestyle is. Actually girls only go out to clubs to post pictures to show how cool their social life is. They will go to clubs just to take pictures and post it on the Internet. Just go to any club or high traffic bar and watch all the selfie takers.
So if you're a guy in a relationship, how can you keep up? You're going to have to keep sending more and more money and time going to all these activities just to make it seem like you have a life.
No modern girl wants a guy who's going to go to work, workout and watch Netflix when he gets home on most nights. That's boring. She can't post that shit online. You have to take her to clubs, sporting events, vacations to South Beach or the Mardi Gras, ect...
You can't do that then you have to cause some drama so she can have something to talk to her friends about to make her life seem interesting. You can't do that then she will leave. Social media is a huge issue
Overkillengine 7y ago
There are some benefits to social media for men though - it is a good red flag indicator tool that women voluntarily use to out themselves as poor LTR prospects but prime pump and dump prospects.
The more social media she engages in, the more of a media validation junkie she is.
Act accordingly.
virtualvirgincake 7y ago
Delete Facebook and change your life
fakenate1 7y ago
Oh thank goodness those were actual caviar dreams I was having back in the 80's.
Cr3X1eUZ 7y ago
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20001015mag-frank.html
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Social Media has also increased people's narcissistic tendencies. think about how social media is. You literally bragging about how great your life is. People talk about being able to connect and all that, but I'm convince that social media is a "Narcissist's Dream Come True"
scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
Yeah no kidding. One of my pet peeves is when our culture acts like we're living in this awesome new technological age with all this cool new stuff like Facebook, and how were right around the corner from solving most of the worlds problems with tech and science. "The 21st century is gonna be great man"
In reality, much of this shit is deteriorating the cultural fabric that actually gave life meaning. Don't get me wrong, I'm not religious conservative, but things like Facebook are a paltry imitation of social life.
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Morpheus-Man 7y ago
Lazy ass bitches that netflix and chill their entire youth, going to the gym once or twice a year for snapchat views, while cock falls on their lap via tinder
Drogba006 7y ago
Hobbies: Coffee, pizza, friends, Netflix, good vibes.
Love it
99_Problem 7y ago
And "traveling." Don't forget traveling.
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SavageStalker 7y ago
Very accurate. Add in there 'Bubbly personality' and that's probably about it.
SwissPablo 7y ago
Bottleof wine and a DVD, as it was.
Rynolz 7y ago
Holy shit that's every millennial girl alive right now.
Drogba006 7y ago
Realistically? No, but a large majority
Khalilyousuf2 7y ago
You just described Toronto
LosingMoneyAllDay 7y ago
Yeah no kidding. You can't afford real estate? Neeeeeexxxtt
Mildsoss 7y ago
I keep hearing this about Toronto women. Are they really that terrible?
MAWL_SC 7y ago
I am from Quebec, every woman I dated from Ontario was a snotty cunt. This is judgy disclaimer , but Ontarians always struck me as cultureless bystanders, vanilla Canadians, they even sound like Americans when they talk(not that that is bad, but to illustrate a point). It's assy to say but w/e.
____MegaManX____ 7y ago
Toronto Canadian women are the core of feminism, the fucking bee hive of Feminists. 95% of them are looking for Drake lifestyle type men
setzer_ 7y ago
I'm doing just fine over here. Its true they put up a very cold feminist shit testing front. But like all women, it can be broken down. Their true feminine character is inside of them just waiting to come out. Hypergamy definitely runs deep around here, but I consider it healthy for me to keep myself in check though, realizing its a dog eat dog world and men are competing for the top spots always. It forces you to compete, no slacking off. If you can make it out here you can make it anywhere. Going back to suburban GTA cities seems like a joke now.
d0lphinsex 7y ago
Sounds like Swedish Stockholm women as well (I guess Canada ~ Sweden).
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We wish our women looked like yours. Canadian women are heffers and dating within your race (not racist but many prefer this) is hard because population is diverse, by the time you thin by gender, age, and race, youre looking at life 1/100 people before even considering smv, attraction and chemistry
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Skully5591 7y ago
And they don't even look close to the hoes we see on Drake's videos.
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unpluggedoasis 7y ago
Starting to think that asshole game is the only thing that works in this town.
PrimeNumber301 7y ago
What's a Drake lifestyle? I know that he's a musician, but not much beyond that.
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Well he's worth about $90 million. Seen courtside at many NBA games and is friends with a lot of athletes. Gets to party and live a lavish lifestyle. Probably eat at really nice restaurants and stay at luxury hotels. Fly in a private jet.
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I never understood how bad the GTA area was until I experienced myself. Working in Ottawa and Toronto for 8 months showed me everything I needed to know about the situation.
Effectively every woman in Toronto is seeking the Sex in the City lifestyle they see on television. This combined with an educational system which is heavily influenced by feminism and equality of outcome has lead to a multi-generational set of self entitled virtue signalers.
Not to mention the vast majority of above median salary careers are in government and largely have "equal opportunity" hiring practices. These are largely equal outcome not equal opportunity in nature like all affirmative action systems.
You also have a rapidly increasing housing in-affordability problem.
It's pretty much doom for white beta males. Only the most specialized can be successful there. You also have to consider that unlike the US, Canada is mostly white. Roughly 16% of the population is non white. Unlike the US this does not include South American, Native American, Indian & Caribbean as white. With blacks being the smallest visible demographic representing less than 1%. However, Toronto specifically represents more than half the non white population of the country.
You have a large group of virtue signalers which have never left there backyard and assume Canada is multicultural. This is one of the biggest lies in Canadian culture. The reality is you have white Canada with Vancouver representing most of the Asian subset and the GTA representing all other ethnic groups mostly in Toronto, Peterborough and Brampton.
With the only notable exception of Native Americans which has pockets all over the country largely due to the reservation system with most living in poverty due to corruption in their own communities.
LT_JOHN_RICO 7y ago
I had no idea Canadian Women were so stupid
antariusz 7y ago
Come swim across the lake. Things are bad, but not that bad in Cleveland.
[deleted] 7y ago
I don't live in the GTA but I appreciate the reference.
NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
Interesting comment to me as a fellow Canadian, however I don't see your point with mentioning "Canada so white"...
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The reason is largely based on how the above median salary jobs in the GTA area are largely government or corporate based for the masses. I challenge to find a job posting which does specific state "we are an equal opportunity employer...." which is code for we are only going to hire white men if they are the only qualified applicant.
This has resulted in a salary gap against white straight men under 35 which is very traceable in both the GTA areas and other similar cities like Ottawa or London in the UK.
Naturally this elevates women and minority salaries as a result. Earning is a large part of female sexual strategy.
Granted your 20 - 25 year old slut only wants you to have enough walking around money to feed her lifestyle of partying. However most men can't even manage this in a good part of the inner city due to raising costs and work pay scarcity.
The link is pretty obvious why your seeing a decrease in male sexual activity in the region under 35. Not to mention this turns HR departments into a virtue signalling pissing match to see who can attract the most non white male employees.
NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
I see, and completely agree. We just got passed the "are you a white guy", federal, "equal opportunity" survey at work as a private company. This is required to bid for Federal government contracts. It's "voluntary". We shall see, I will not be filling it out for obvious political and philosophical reasons. Why fill out a voluntary survey designed to hurt my demographic?
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The reality is because they lump women and minorities it's basically just women.
half the population is women and 8% of the minority population is male. 4% of this in the GTA.
So the policies benefit 50% of the white population which is roughly 84% + the female minority roughly 8% vs 8% of the male minority population.
It's 92% (total pop) vs 8% in a female/male demographic sense.
in reality 96% of the jobs go to women and 4% to men which are in a specific sub set assuming you get a wide variety of candidates within the GTA specifically.
These are choose jobs it's not hard to see the real problem here.
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I_Need_More_Space_ 7y ago
So why not move? Why don't men just move on and leave Toronto to the feminists to keep their city running? It would surely fail pretty quickly. Honestly, I move around a lot. Moving is not a issue for me. Thinking of living somewhere that sucks just makes no sense.
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[deleted] 7y ago
Agree. I have been trying to explain to people how shit Canada is for years. I'm in Vancouver and with the super rich Asian and the UBC/SFU feminist network, I am pretty sure there would be NO gain here over Toronto.
MAWL_SC 7y ago
You do not have to speak fluent French to work in Quebec, hell, I have worked with people who spoke neither official language. It is much easier if you do, obviously, and largely depends on the area(Montreal has Burroughs with highly segregated languages/identities) and the field of work. If you deal with the public or sales, etc. then usable French is required. How a Francophone views you and your mastery of "la belle langue" will depend on how draconian their world view is, and will vary greatly between individuals/organizations.
Edit: Canada can be shitty, but so can the states, they stink in their own fashion.
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MAWL_SC 7y ago
It depends if you will be serving the public and their policies. I have limited experience with mirabel, I imagine it's pretty French, though.
NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
Canada in 20 years will be a collection of city/provincial states. The "country" is done. The federal government provides NO return on investment and is not powerful enough to survive tough times (and the misogyny bubble be just around the corner fellas).
It is currently easier for most areas to trade with U.S counterparts than other provinces. (I.E Southern ON with it's manufacturing U.S buddies, Ohio, Michigan and west NY. Alberta with U.S oil south and Natty gass gobbling California, Vancouver with whoever will stick a dick in her)
We can't get a new rail line built let alone a trade agreement countrywide. It's not even as solvent as the EU. We have been part and parcel sold to the highest corporate bidders, but one thing we have , at least here in Alberta is a nasty winter to help kick their corrupt fucking asses out when the time is right.
I look forward to that and not being attached to Toronto in anyway whatsoever.
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Alberta is pretty great if you can land a nice oil job.
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Til where the fuck Toronto is
PowerVitamin 7y ago
The west is a goldmine. I came to southern Ontario recently and women couldn't get their eyes off my civilized barbarian build. It was like these women had never been hit on in their lives. They could barely make eye contact without blushing. I went to the gym everyday I was there and the men were barely lifting what a woman here could lift. It`s all relative man.
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Tell me your 'It was my privilege story'
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Actually, you don't ABSOLUTELY need to know French to work and live in Montreal. Sure, it doesn't hurt, but as an anglohpone (native english speaker) I've managed to get by more or less with a rudimentary understanding of the french language.
Mind you, the job market here is shit.
[deleted] 7y ago
Montreal is the only outliner. Anywhere else in Quebec, you need French 100%.
People will even look down incredibly hard if you have an accent (speaking French).
[deleted] 7y ago
That's true. That being said, Montreal is basically Quebec. Roughly half or more of the population lives in the city or its suburb districts,and it contains the center of pretty much everything.
There ain't much worth visiting outside of the city, but that could be just native pride speaking on that.
I_Need_More_Space_ 7y ago
And I always hear dipshit entitled Americans say, "Canada has free healthcare, and people are happy in Canada."
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I thought we had free healthcare until a pulled myself above the poverty line and started getting a bill for $90 a month that I couldn't opt out of.
I_Need_More_Space_ 7y ago
I'm totally opposed to free healthcare. Women use healthcare much more than men do, yet they pay the same amount as men in the U.S. The system is just set up to exploit men more than anyone and especially so when something is "free" or not.
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Yup. $90 a month and I haven't been to a doctor in 6 years. Except one bone break in my hand.... of course the splints weren't covered and I add to pay out of pocket.
Redforeman777 7y ago
These are only anecdotes and even assuming they're valid they don't change get the underlying critique of america based on camada. Canadians get a lot more of their tax dollars back in the former of services than we do as Americans.
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This isn't true. The healthcare isn't free. The taxes go to maintaining 5000 miles of (cold season snowed in) highway that serves to link the three main cities with.... Almost nothing.
I_Need_More_Space_ 7y ago
You're right. We get less back, because lazy fucks want more free services for free. This is why the middle class is disappearing... all the lazy fucking moochers of society. And their ideas brew in California where they later infect other parts of the nation.
acetylcysteine 7y ago
family, job, friends most likely.
I_Need_More_Space_ 7y ago
The pilgrims of the U.S. faced a similar predicament with family, job, friends, etc. They crossed an ocean.
acetylcysteine 7y ago
terrible example. they didnt cross an ocean to get laid.
I_Need_More_Space_ 7y ago
Ok. Well, all I know is that I don't stay where life begins to suck and complain on-line about it. Humans are more mobile than ever. Just sayin'
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blackierobinsun2 7y ago
Because women are more stuck up than ever, thinking they put on a little makeup and they deserve a millionaire, they live in there own reality with a stick so far up their ass, women in America shouldn't be allowed to work any office job if it was up to me
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i use to work (retail) with a girl.. kinda cute, probably a 6. she told me her husband was going to be 6'4, jacked, and makes well into 6 figures at minimum. so basically a pro athlete or a harvard doctor/lawyer. i asked "why in the world would this guy date you, the cashier?" she didnt have much of a response.
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rickception 7y ago
Its more clear to the 6'5 hyper alpha dude bros that women are ruined, especially because of all the interaction with women. The ones swooning over you are hot as fuck sure, but rarely decent personality wise. Closer they get, the more damage the dagger does. Girls texting you how much they want you while their husbands are asleep next to them, doesnt exactly conceal their flaws.
To me it seems to be the effeminite dainty cucks that are oblivious to whats going on with women, but most of them are probably just playing ignorant in attempts to get laid.
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rickception 7y ago
I'm a 6'3 dude bro, so just beneath the cut off?
I guess I had the 'fortune' of experiencing the cruelty of women as a late bloomer before being "spoiled" in adulthood and therefore underestimate the obliviousness of others. Or maybe they're just simple, content their balls emptied on a nice looking face while not realizing they are being trained like dogs and not as nicely as they think.
edit: i dont think there was a time they were not broken
samenrofringslikeLBJ 7y ago
I fucked 40 girls before the age of 20, after that maybe 5. Im approaching my thirties and all decent girls are had, I'll never be thirsty enough to fuck the obese and ugly which are now a majority of females even in Europe. I'm a 7/10, slightly above average. So I guess I'm one of those who have checked out, since I know from experience I just dont enjoy fucking below average girls or even average girls that require too much effort. I'll rejoin when the socialists have wrecked this continent hard enough to where food scarcity trims the fat off some of these piggies.
plenty_of_eesh 7y ago
But why aren't you fucking the under-20's any more? You're not even 30.
That's what guys (more than women) have at their advantage, I thought... Age isn't as limiting.
Plus don't forget the 30-somethings who were 9/10's when they married early, now back on the carousel after divorce. Some of them kept themselves pretty hot and most of the rest are hitting the gym with unprecedented fervor (it's terrifying to be single and not a '9' for the first time ever in their lives).
just_a_thought4U 7y ago
This is happening in Japan at an alarming rate... http://www.businessinsider.com/half-of-japanese-people-arent-having-sex-2015-7
Anderfail 7y ago
Did you people even read the damn study? Female sexual inactivity increased more than men did. The reason for the drop in sexual activity? Those without college degrees are much more likely to be virgins than those with college degrees whose rates didn't change.
http://sci-hub.cc/10.1007/s10508-016-0798-z
It's pretty obvious how this has happened since your options in life are severely limited if you don't have a degree nowadays.
[deleted] 7y ago
They did not read the study. The people in this thread are misinterpreting the figures the articles in the OP cited. This is unsurprising, given that the general public is ill-equipped to interpret nuanced statistical statements.
frankgrimes5 7y ago
I've skimmed through the study for the relevant info and the paper doesn't make sense. They report an increase in sexual inactivity from 7% to 15%, but then report females at 2.3%->5.4% and men at 1.7%->1.9%. Something doesn't add up. Furthermore and more importantly, they aren't even looking at virginity in this study, they're looking at 20-24yo old participants who haven't had sex since 18, which is meaningless, and they used broad questions which make the relevance of any answers questionable at best. They address it in their "limitations" section but downplay it. They asked if participants "had sex", which women first of all notoriously downplay in raw numbers, but also exclude if only oral or anal sex occurred, while the men likely over-reported their numbers in general, and also based on the loose definition of "sex", probably included oral and anal some of the time. I'm certain that if they actually looked at virginity (by my definition: men and women who have not had vaginal or anal sex), they would find male millenials reporting increasing virginity at greater rates than females.
MOCKxTHExCROSS 7y ago
I believe there are several reasons for the marked increase in male virgins:
Increased levels of economic inequality and debt, particularly for millennials. This negatively impacts the provisioning strategy behind BB for males only.
Increased levels of obesity. This negatively impacts men more because unattractive men have more difficulty securing sex than women.
Decreased testosterone due to environmental endocrine disruptors and obesity. Women prefer high T men, especially for sexual relationships.
Lack of male role models in education. Game is learned, not innate, and these missing men are the ones who used to teach it.
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pink_ego_box 7y ago
Except that the study shows the contrary.
"The increase in adult sexual inactivity between the 1960s and 1990s cohorts was larger and significant among women (from 2.3 to 5.4 %) but not among men (from 1.7 to 1.9 %)."
"The larger increase in sexual inactivity for women (vs. men) is inconsistent with previous research finding that men and women’s sexual behaviors have become more similar"
"The shift toward higher rates of sexual inactivity among Millennials and iGen’ers was more pronounced among women and absent among Black Americans and those with a college education"
Can we have a discussion based on what the study says now ? Link here : http://sci-hub.cc/10.1007/s10508-016-0798-z
jackandjill22 7y ago
Where's this obesity everyone keeps discussing because where I'm around I don't see it.
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insoucianc 7y ago
I imagine this is why millenial women are dating generation X men with such high proclivity.
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24SevKev 7y ago
Came here to say this but you beat me to it
MOCKxTHExCROSS 7y ago
It's hardly an original analysis. The reason it is uncommon in mainstream press is that while there are options available to counteract all 5, they all take substantial work and involve constant self-criticism.
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increased levels of obesity and economic inequality/debt are definitely the two factors that i'd be willing to place bets on. Obese men AND women are going to have trouble having sex, more so for men though. On economic problems, being poor is absolutely the worst thing for a man over the age of say 23-24 or so. I mean seriously, if youre saddled with mad student loan debt and grossing well under 40 k a year (a VERY common situation nowadays), good luck finding a fucking mate that isnt trashy or much, much younger. this isn't always the case though, my parents can definitely attest to that, but that doens't change that fact that i's going to hinder you considerably. It's hard for most women to be attracted to a guy that is living in a shit apt or at his parents at 27 with outstanding debts. I do feel that over time women will adapt though, but it's gonna suck no matter what
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yeah that's great, but i'm talking about the general populace and their preferences here, and a great number of men want an LTR with a woman. Marriage and children are a goal for a good majority of men out there, so it'd be unwise to pretend this isn't the case when discussing a study done on the general populace of men, not RP. We're pretty much on the same page yknow, i dont plan on getting married nor having kids
throwawayyourliberty 7y ago
Wrong. Most men were always poor. Now women earn more or as much as their male peers. Women never want to "date down" the hierarchy. That means they will not consider them as an adequate reproduction partner.
Most women have now more degrees. Even if their male counterpart is as rich as them, they will not consider them as an adequate reproduction partner.
Last but not least, there were social constraints powered by culture to prevent women to act on their hypergamy. Now they are completely loose. Nothing of all three points have anything to do with economic inequality or debt. We will never feel the Bern.
Hjalmbere 7y ago
True, women have degrees, but few of them in STEM subjects. Hence SJWs have to invent needs through social engineering for crap like gender studies. I would like to see salary averages for gender studies majors as compared to skilled carpenters btw.
I'm betting that many women would end up living more fullfilling lives if they maximized their attractiveness instead of getting degrees in subjects they're not really interested in.
throwawayyourliberty 7y ago
You are spot on. The thing social engineering is needed to confuse and deceive about real facts.
For instance, if you compare the real value (i.e salary statistics) of university degrees everybody will recognize "gender"-studies are useless. But liberal and feminist perspectives do not care about the real value. They just want to blur the lines by ignoring or inflating reality. Women act on social cues.
If society tells them they are empowered strong women with gender study degrees, their value is inflated. Now they think they deserve only men on the top and it works because pussy is always demanded. The average Joe aka 90% of male society is then invisible.
svensin 7y ago
yup, friend of mine is dating a nurse, hes a typical chad, she makes a lot more money than him, shes quitting nursing to sell nursing hats, hampstering up in her head that she "doesn't like nursing".
It's very amusing to watch
Bearhardy 7y ago
I think the 1 and the 6 are the biggest ones, take me for example I'm no virgin, I'm fit and look good but for me it's not worth the hassle or the money to pursue meaningless sex because that's all you can get fromwomen now a days, if they fall in my lap good if not I got porn so I don't go insane, the rest of my time goes into working, reading and trying to get out of this goddam rat race
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Bearhardy 7y ago
The thing is from my perspective at least, say you get yourself a quality women if you are not having children by the 2 year you are just waisting yours and her time, you know her love is conditional and it only takes a little for her to fall out of love, so this serials LTR that people seem to invest so much in are worthless in the end.
When you break the illusion that a relationship is gonna make you happy, you start questioning all that energy, time and money it takes for the average young male to get laid.
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acetylcysteine 7y ago
this. cost/benefit ratio of dating just isn't worth it with online dating and the subpar females out there. most single men i know agree. if you want a ons just go to a bar/club and save yourself 3 hours of mind numbing conversation.
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Prostitutes and escorts is looking like a better option now a days, and this is coming from a guy who when younger used to think only losers get prostitutes. You are right in that it's much easier, ESPECIALLY if you are making lots of money.
Come to think of it, when I'm making six figures, I would rather just pay once or twice a month for some sex, than doing tinder and all that shit. Online dating for guys is a complete waste of time for guys who unless you are top 10 or 20%, you will get catfished. I'm currently 25 and in a few years definitely getting a vasectomy or vaselgel, if that comes out.
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Former fat loser here. Escorts are pretty rad, I wake up and hit the gym, hit the market on my way home, make a phone call or two, then a ho arrives to tell me how good my cooking smells and I bang her in between stirring the pot.
No she doesn't get to taste it.
Pastelitomaracucho 7y ago
I laughed hard. Excellent post
[deleted] 7y ago
Curious: what is your source?
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Google fu typically. Basically once you get a number you treat her like a normal service person, like if you were texting a plumber.
If she is normal about things then you're probably good to go, if it's some kind of agency you'll find out right away when you call her and there's some dude in the background or shit like that, basically what we are looking for here is college girls looking for help to pay their tuition, anything outside that you need to use your judgement/trust your gut.
The whole thing is based very heavily on trust. If the girl that shows up is not what you ordered, tell her to leave.
Mithra9009 7y ago
Curious: what is your sauce?
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The one I just finished making is something like a bolognese. I heated it up as I cook a big pot so I only need to cook every few days, added some more homemade Ukrainian sausage and added cheese in it to thicken the sauce a bit.
This sauce started out as 8 tomatoes, 1 broccoli tree, 1 onion, 1 carrot, 1 thing of corn, 1 thing of beans, 1 thing of tomato paste, 1 giant red pepper, 1 garlic cluster, 800g of fresh pork from the butcher, and a length of homemade sausage.
Basically I try to just get the freshest possible ingredients and go from there.
First I caramelized the onions and garlic then browned the pork in it (I was told it was beef but was skeptical, it was Grey and I was sure it was pork but Noone spoke English other than "BEEF!" And it looked fresh and smelled fine so I was like lol OK.
Once the meat was ready I put some water in and just dumped everything together. Slowly bring to a boil and let it simmer and cook down to make a nice thick sauce. I did some research after thinking it was quite bland and it turns out when you cook with primarily raw ingredients you need to add salt to bring out the flavors. Now I had lightly salted the meat while cutting it up, but I had totally underestimated the quantity of salt required. Basically add a small amount of salt (like a pinch or 2) as you cook and taste it and don't stop until you can make out individual flavors and every bite is a blast of delicious.
Be careful though once you over salt the dish is ruined, so go in small amounts. The quantity of salt needed differs on a per palette basis. I like salty food, so I probably needed more and I ended up adding like a teaspoon of salt to the pot even after adding quite salty sausage and salami to it. Today I added a salami and about a quarter cup of cheese to the above ingredients and added another dollop of salt. It's probably the most delicious sauce yet.
It's a huge learning process, but the key takeaway here is the importance of salt as a cooking tool; especially if like me you cook with raw fresh ingredients. Obviously if you use a number of canned goods or salted/prepared meats there will be salt in the dish already. It's a matter of experimentation to find what you like.
I_Need_More_Space_ 7y ago
I'd be pretty paranoid to order one in the U.S. When in Amsterdam though, its all in. ;)
Do you take an escort on a date first to see that she isn't po-po? Fuck. The whole idea is pretty scary in the states. Bravo to you for being successful at it.
DarkuSchneider 7y ago
It is risky business indeed not for the faint of heart. The bigger the city the more likely there is vice police to curtail it. Small towns don't have the money for undercover vice unless its a blatantly obvious issue there. The pros usually have some disclaimer on their advert that by contacting them you are contractually agreeing you are not police or investigating anything or entrapment etc... but you will see flakes and scams on the streets and red light districts.
If you are in the states just go to Vegas. It's cheap to go to Vegas especially in the off season and have a sex-cation. You can either try to game tons of out of town women that may want no strings adventures too at the casinos (slots for sluts) or you can go to legal prostitutes in a nearby county as it's not legal in Vegas itself. The sex ranches come to Vegas and pick up/drop off guests on a shuttle if you don't want to drive. It's a little more pricey than the illegal trade but you can get real porn stars sometimes and the state tests sex workers regularly to verify they are not disease ridden or fucking you in a drug den. The state touts a good health and safety record because of regulation. The no jail/getting mugged part is nice too. You can also go to Tijuana, it's cheaper but riskier outside the fancy cat houses.
My buddy spent $1200 in NV and banged a hot porn star all night long and had a blast. You can spend a couple hundred for regular girls and negotiate the fee and expected experience. I tried it for the novelty but not for me really. I am not a young man anymore and thoroughly over pussy. IMHO If you have more money than free time go with pros. If you have more time than money game you ass off as long as you can. Either way you need to be RP or you'll get screwed in some manor.
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Dude no.
When I was still a naive faggot I took one on a date. We went for ice cream as it was a super hot day. That same girl did a hit of heroine and a line of coke (no idea why you'd do both) in the bathroom the moment we hit a hotel.
No fucking thank you.
You're paying her to be there, pump her until your dick doesn't work anymore then kick her out. I did it once in the US and got some crazy dominant chick she was fun. To be honest the only time I've ever had an issue was in Amsterdam... one of the chick's in the glass doors called me over and I was like welp why not and the moment I get in there she puts her hand on the alarm button and is like "give me your wallet or I'm calling the cops".
Ghinvc 7y ago
Asian culture promotes better customer service.
I_Need_More_Space_ 7y ago
Dude, that is a terrible experience. I'm sorry to hear that. I've been to TRL Distict like 6 times on 2 different Amsterdam trips. And I'll keep going back. Never had a problem.
Just don't go drunk. I think day fucking is better than night fucking. The night hoes seem to be really greedy for money and don't perform well probably due to the higher rent for the evening shift. The most beautiful Czech Republic absolute HB10 fucked me stupid on 2 separate occasions (1 trip) like at 2 p.m. I still think about that fucking broad. Perfection.
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I don't drink so he while experience was sober.
But that's beside the point honestly. I've had a number of experiences like yours elsewhere, typically day fucks especially with any pay for play things as the day crowd are way way way more normal.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Oh shit. I was going to go to some Amsterdam whores at some point. Isn't it legal over there?
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OK so amsterdam in a nutshell.
There's 3 classes. There's the red light district (Nope), sex clubs, and privhuis.
The red light district is where all the tourists go and it's really high traffic; the girls pay 200 euros a night for their window stall and charge like 50 euros for 20 minutes meaning they are literally assembly lines of pump and dump. If you want an STD or sloppy seconds go there.
Sex clubs I've never been to, they're basically strip clubs. The tourist ones will try to stealthily sell you champagne that when your bill comes it happens to cost 500 euros. I don't understand paying money for blue balls so nix this one too.
Privhuis or however it's spelled is Dutch for private houses. These ones employ local and foreign girls who aren't as he as the window ones, but they effectively cater to the local clientele as opposed to tourists. What this means for you is a much cheaper bang, a girl who isn't a Crack addict, and an all around pleasant experience. They're stereotypical brothels so they're run by madames who will whip the shit out of you if youre into that, and basically make sure everything happens nice and happily. You can make these girls do anything for enough money: gang bangs, bdsm, make your own porno.
Go to privhuis and have a fun time.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Great thanks for the insight.
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My only experience with the red light district was exclusively the above robbery story.
So in this case it was cheaper.
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BluepillProfessor 7y ago
You eat out tinder whores? Yummy. Just FYI that tangy flavor that sticks on the sides of the tongue is not what you think it is.
cat_magnet 7y ago
LOL My general strategy is spinning plates. I will usually keep the same plates for months at a time. The sex is better when you are relaxed in each others company. I don't really look for one nighters. Hookers are easier for that.
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http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-016-0798-z
I think that's the source. Read through the article and it's really weird they didn't plot gender differences. How do you write a paper about sex in different age groups and generations, but ignore gender differences? Or differences in sub-groups? Seriously weird.
CopperFox3c 7y ago
This is a common Progressive tactic, the lie of omission. You'll see various disparities discussed in news articles and wikipedia articles regarding race or age, but they will curiously leave out gender differences unless the data support their worldview.
I wrote a post about this related to male unemployment and inner city violence a while back here: Lies of Omission – Progressives and the “Wizard behind the Curtain”
pink_ego_box 7y ago
Has this sub really stooped down to self-promoting your shitty blogs? Your comment is invalid. They're talking about gender difference in the research article. Not that I expect you to have read it.
103342 7y ago
Just the fact that they refuse to paint the full picture says pretty much everything you need to know and more.
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Tallsmarthandsome 7y ago
Muslims conquered European white Spain for 700 years prior to 1492, dominated their culture, and then the dark skinned Muslim Jr culture of Spain did a genocide tap dance on the the native american population and replaced it with a population of non-whites ready to invade a european culture from the south, again.
Hexthorne 7y ago
The lie of omission is as old as time and is used on all sides. Ascribing it to progressives alone just shows your ideological biases and contributes nothing.
If you've picked an ideological side (conservative vs. liberal, republican vs. democrat, communist vs. capitalist) you've already been taken in by someone who's using you and/or your vote to get what they want. Better to evaluate independently and use what works, rather than get hung up on labels. Don't fool yourself into thinking you're special because you "saw through the progressive/conservative lies" - that just means you're being taken for a ride on some other issue by your own side.
samenrofringslikeLBJ 7y ago
You cant relativise everything. Liberalism gets a bad rap on the internet because after FDR, Liberalism changed hands from people who wanted freedom to those who would use the state to help certain groups to a larger share of the national wealth. Republicans used to be the Liberals, abolishing slavery to the protest of Democrats. In Europe, Liberalism was never really a thing anyway, we go from Fascist to Democratic and back again in one day.
But the fact is that modern progressivism is really a whole new era of bullshit. Its extremely sick as this "the ends justify the means" shit makes people cool with Hillary Clinton basically corrupting everything she touches. Fraud and Felony are cool under progressivism, which is a feature this ideology shares with Totalitarianism, not Liberality.
dewise 7y ago
In totalitarian states of the past corruption, fraud and felony were not cool, at least publicly. You cannot sit on bayonets, you need to project image of being just! People engaged in criminal activities as long as they could get away with it. The bad stuff was a bad stuff, it existence was denied as far as possible, but if it was no longer possible, perpetrations paid the heavy price. If you did something bad and many people knew so, there was no way for you to get away with it, whoever you are: the system would punish you, because it needs to project image of justice for its own safety!
With values shifting, the modern "western" system no longer needs to project image of being just. You just need to adhere to "holy" ideology, advance it by all menace necessary and all of your sins will be forgotten. This so called "social justice" is neither social nor is justice. It non-religious ideology, basically medieval stuff.
If we were evil geniuses engineering unjust, anti-social ideology, how would we call it? Yeah, that's right.
pink_ego_box 7y ago
They do. Did you really read the article? Or did you expect people to gobble your comment and to acknowledge what you said without checking because "there's a link, he must be right"?
"The increase in adult sexual inactivity between the 1960s and 1990s cohorts was larger and significant among women (from 2.3 to 5.4 %) but not among men (from 1.7 to 1.9 %)."
"The larger increase in sexual inactivity for women (vs. men) is inconsistent with previous research finding that men and women’s sexual behaviors have become more similar"
"The shift toward higher rates of sexual inactivity among Millennials and iGen’ers was more pronounced among women and absent among Black Americans and those with a college education"
Can we have a discussion based on what the study says now ?
Link here : http://sci-hub.cc/10.1007/s10508-016-0798-z
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So, you got 3 sentences in a 8 paper about changes in sexual behaviour over several decades.
Look at the tables in this paper. Why not plot the differences per gender and sub-groups? They got the data, since they discuss it later (page 4).
Additionally: "While some may use strict definitions of vaginal–penile intercourse to answer that question (and perhaps not endorse this item if they have engaged in anal but not vaginal sex), others may interpret sex much more broadly and respond affirmatively even if they have only engaged in oral sex."
I'm not convinced about the paper due to all these things.
Gawernator 7y ago
I read this on LA times I think. Anyways, it seems painfully obvious what the real answer is. First off, the study was done with only 25,000 people.
Secondly, this is not less sex overall, it's the 80/20 rule becoming more and more a reality. It's that women are more selectively banging the hottest/highest SMV guys, so these guys are having more sex proportionate to the average male nowadays. It's not like decades past anymore.
7Tomus 7y ago
Its like you either have too much to fuck or nothing at all. Either you are top 10% and you get all the pussy you want, or you are just somewhere in top 50 and you ocasionally get lucky. If you are even lower, then you are just another orbiter material at best.
With tinder nowdays, all a woman have to do is open the app and wait 5 min for the floodgate of thirsty sausages to open. Does not matter if you are top 10% or ugly hog, you will find lay pretty fast. While on the other hand, if a dude does not look like Adonis he is left with nothing.
So yeah, with relativelly high supply of good looking men just few clicks away any normal guy has abysmal chance of getting laid.
Unholy_VI 7y ago
Yes that's pretty much stated in the sidebar.
Every woman literally worth a fuck thinks she deserves a 'chad' (top 10% guy) to fall madly in love with her, give her great kids and a wonderful princessy life. She'll settle for a beta if she's not good enough SMV to get a chad but even if he's higher smv than her (say a 7ish guy and a 5ish chick) she'll still feel slighted at not having her chad and look for opportunities to cheat/start relationships with guys higher smv than her beta.
Hence all the man hate. Every wonam 5+ has probably been fucked at some point by a bored chad who then kicked them to the curb and probably treated them pretty harshly when they started stalking him afterward. it's kind of funny. They reinforce this belief that all guys are assholes who don't want commitment because of something that only 10% of us did...we just did to pretty much all of them.
they forget all the perfectly suitable guys that pursued them but weren't' up to their delusional standard.
Limekill 7y ago
lol but true. They all hate men, but really its 10% of alphas.
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There are two classic millenials that work for me and their situation perfectly describes these articles.
He is a fat Hiillary fan who whines when I assign him tasks. I have to chase him to complete everything as I overhear him planning lunch all morning. He takes girls out to expensive restaurants and is perpetually friendzoned. He is a loser.
She is kind of cute, "dates alot", and has been alphawidowed by a guy who she " shares dog custody" with. Guaranteed that every dog dropoff and pickup involves his Alpha cock in her mouth. She also lies on all the surveys and says she isn't having sex with anyone.. That's what she tells my team so I am sure surveys are also falsified to soothe her hamster.
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Bitches are still fucking and lie about it. They fuck the same minority of men. The majority of millennial do men jerk off onto their mantitties and take comfort from articles like this. They want to think everyone is sexless
rhuffq 7y ago
That is exactly why I turn down every offer at management. That sort of behaviour and attitude will just increase and being responsible for them will be nothing but misery. And trying to do any form of discipline will just be obstructed by HR.
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Well, I disagree. Mgmt pays more. I'm managing the fat slob out as we speak
103342 7y ago
This is probably it... I saw this on the front page of reddit and thought: "Yeah, right".
Sometimes you just gotta swallow reality and take anecdotal evidence for what it is. I know enough people and their private lives to realize that there is a pattern going on in the youth and no one is a special snowflake, but probably one among many other people.
VERY, very, very few people actually get away from the norm and context of society. Chances are, if you are where you are there are a lot of people in a very similar position to yours.
juliusstreicher 7y ago
Clickbait shit is exactly what it is. I can't really remember but ever since I was in High School in the 70s, there's always been some 'study' that seemed to verify that I, fat beta, wasn't really the POS loser. Somehow, apparently, I read the abstract wrong, since the self-reported freedom of sex with no boundaries, or whatever, never fully materialized for me in real life. In fact, quite the opposite.
Whole point being: Yeah, the study is a crock of shit.
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Tarnsman4Life 7y ago
It is the guys getting less sex , the women are simply lying about it. Lets face facts, men 18-27 are more likely than ever to be living at home yet women are not. What does this mean? First of all nothing dries that pussy up faster than finding out you live with mommy and daddy, or just mommy because she divorce raped your father 10+ years ago. Unless you are Chad 3.0 you are not getting a lot of pussy and living in your moms basement. This also creates a situation where we ask how are women able to live outside the home in such greater numbers? While the corporate world is skewing towards women it is not skewing towards them that much. The answer is Millennial women are turning to 35+ year old men as sugar daddies, side guys or simply for LTR's. Even millennial women are pulling the plug on millennial men. No fault divorce and the acceptance of divorce rape in our culture has created a whole class of men who are 35-50 looking for a 2nd wife who is not a dried up old vapid cunt. They are just too short sighted to realize AWALT and feel going 10+ years younger will somehow improve the situation, all the while your post grad 22 year old woman is looking for someone to pay her credit card bills.
MonkeyDFreecs 7y ago
Millennial women also get their biological dads to pay for their housing as well. A lot of girls I met/know had their apartments, cars, and other stuff paid for or at least partially by daddy.
Tarnsman4Life 7y ago
I took an Uber ride to the airport the other day. Driver was a 50+ year old Russian immigrant. He liked to talk. He is still paying allowance money to his daughter even after she is married.
tedcase 7y ago
I thought the f word would be Fat.
Fat people have less sex. There are more fat people.
I read a bit further into your post and it occurs to me that actually, fat women still have plenty of sex from desperate men, but less men are willing to dip it in the pigs.
This leaves us with a smaller pool of sexually active men and a stagnant pool of obese women and a tiny minority of attractive sexually desirable people on top of a very narrow pyramid.
I don't disagree with you OP, I think Feminism is still the main culprit, but I propose that fat comes as a close second. Moreover, I think that they are by no means mutually exclusive.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I have some horrendously obese woman as a Facebook friend. She saw my band one day and added me, never talked to her. Her boyfriend is more of a Chad than me. It's mind boggling. And she regularly goes out without him. I don't get it.
facetothedawn 7y ago
I also blame the rise of awareness of STD's and the fact that people don't know how to talk to each other anymore - it's difficult to flirt when most of your social interaction is done through the phone
Limekill 7y ago
I think that would apply to a specific age group (i.e. people who did not grow up with a smart phone).
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Most guys live at home still, that's why I'm not getting laid
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Unholy_VI 7y ago
What the... how the fuck are they doing these stupid studies?
They're probably asking people. Like people are going to totally honest about this shit. How about a study of how many tinder hook-ups are going on or observe colleges and see if the number of alcohol fueled parties is going down.
Fuckin bullshit studies. Should read 'millennials less willing to be open to researchers about how much sex they are having.' That's the conclusion this rubbish data suggests to me.
Chubby_Bert 7y ago
That's social "science" for you.
bsutansalt 7y ago
This is less a "study" and more a self-reporting survey. The results should be taken with a grain of salt because those kinds of surveys are highly flawed by human nature. For example, attitudes towards sex could have changed culturally and not the actual amount, but now people tell a different story. If people feel they have to tell a story to sound cool, "oh yeah I'm getting laid all the time" then they might over-report how much sex they're really having, then years go by, that sense falls out of style, and then they report how much sex they're actually having, which is the same amount, but suddently it looks like there's a huge decrease where there was not.
Unholy_VI 7y ago
For sure.
I just object to calling something science when the data obtained isn't in any way objective. Asking someone questions about their personal sex life is very likely to lead to over or under reporting for any number of reasons.
you want to make a claim that millennials are having less sex you need some sort of empirical double-blind type data to make that claim otherwise you aren't ruling out other reasons why these people might be answering the survey the way they are.
Limekill 7y ago
Yes and no.
Men are going to claim more sex, women less. Everyone knows about the bias. However what is interesting is if the bias is the same but the group as a whole is having less sex.
Unholy_VI 7y ago
Sure. My point is there's no way to know if that's true.
If I had to take my best guess it would be that the amount of sex had by the population is the same as ever but ATTITUDES are changing. Women who might have answered the survey truthfully a decade ago now realize that this is the era of big brother, reddit, hacked nude pictures and the like.
It's possible, and would certainly be interesting if it were true, that what this kind of survey indicates is simply less willingness to share data like this with a complete stranger when there's absolutely no upside to doing so and it involves admitting things you don't even want to admit to yourself nevermind whoever else might potentially find out.
My conclusion: The data suggests at least two plausible explanations. further experiments are needed before you go yelling: 'Eureka! Millennials are having less sex than evarrr! Science said so bro!'
Limekill 7y ago
I remember reading a report from the 1970s regarding lie detectors and sexual history. The bias was recorded then and continues to be true. In fact in those days it was much worse to be perceived as a slut compared to the go girl attitude of today. I mean how often do grandmas talk about threesoms? but you can hear millennium women talking about in starbucks.
People dressed up as scientist still get a lot of 'respect' as per surveys (and there are no nudes in these surveys) and people want to tell the truth to scientists but the bias is still there.
esperanzablanca 7y ago
I would say male millennial are having less sex. The women are riding the cock 24/7
Thomaskingo 7y ago
What a nice beta revenge fantasy you've got going on: "Yeah, them girls are real sorry, that I (u/gekkozorz) won't fuck them. That is if they'd ever want me inside them anyways. I might be incel, but that doesn't matter because I'm MGTOW!"
As any one with any alpha blood knows; no matter ho neurotic a bitch is, she'll always be fuckable (just don't giver her your real name and adresse.
As u/DatFeeler said they are still fucking. They are just not fucking guys like you.
NightwingTRP 7y ago
I think you need to practice your reading comprehension. Statements around everybody losing isn't a revenge fantasy. The typical beta revenge fantasy is focused around spite of the girl in her 20s with high SMV who is fucking around, trying to convince yourself she'll be ugly and alone once she hits the wall. I don't believe I should have to go through how this is untrue and doesn't typically come to pass (though it is very funny when it does.)
What he appears to have done here is to detach himself from the topic and then try to follow the logic according to where it goes, citing red pill theory where needed. Essentially his conclusion is that when you make men not bother trying to become top men (while women will want the top man of all time, they'll still settle... but it's not quite settling. It's more reaching as high as they possibly can - hence why the alpha widow phenomenon exists) and combine this with allowing women's competition style to become the norm (i.e. the race to the bottom caused by dragging others down instead of building yourself up) then you end up with more and more people becoming unfuckable on both sides. The only difference being that there'll still be more fuckable women because women's SMV is derived from their genes rather than their attitude. Their attitude only impacts their RMV and/or value for being maintained as a plate.
Thus, because guys tend to approach things in a very cost-benefit analysis way (like the way more men are avoiding marriage altogether without joining the culty side of MGTOW) many are starting to simply walk away from dating altogether. One of my friends in his 20s hasn't been laid in a year or two... and he's definitely attractive enough to get laid. That's why MGTOW think they're having a serious impact. It's not just MGTOWs walking away from the market. It's normal, reasonably attractive men, who have good jobs and are in good shape.
Oh and don't use the phrase "alpha blood" - it sounds way too deterministic and feminine. Chicks are the ones who naturally have high SMV. Most high SMV did not naturally get that on their genetics alone.
Thomaskingo 7y ago
His entire post is basically a bunch of statements that boils down to; "they've made their bed and now they get to lie in it". It's clear that his narrative is one of schadenfreude. It might not be him, who exacts revenge but the circumstance:
It's a fantasy because dudes, who's angered by this (guys like him), are the only ones losing out. If women are fucking less, then the amount of guys being part of the cock carousel has diminished.
It's not redpill to blame feminism for every fucking thing that happens in this world. If women are having less sex, then that might actually be indicative of a return to more traditional values. The sexual revolution was an anomaly and a catastrophe for society (crime, stds, unwanted children, abortions, social demise...).
NightwingTRP 7y ago
Look, I get that English is your second language, so I'm not too bothered that you've got this wrong. However your comprehension in this circumstance is poor. You're either going to take my word for this or you're not. Frankly I have no idea how to demonstrate this to someone who's just quoted somebody and then made a comment which makes no sense in that context, so I'm not going to try. No ill-will mate... but you've misinterpreted him.
Thomaskingo 7y ago
I'm sorry you're too retarded to understand.
Edit: What? you don't understand "schadenfreude"?
dudet23 7y ago
I would like to see stats with race involved. But of course they will never do this.
Galbert123 7y ago
Frankly I'm surprised they even broke it out by sex. Calling men men and women women is starting to become too extreme.
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vandaalen 7y ago
Pulling a fleshlight over your dick and beating it furiously to HD internet porn isn't exactly having sex.
playingwithfyre 7y ago
Matching efficiency had increased due to technology. Less compromise necessary, shift further towards 80/20.
Camberlain 7y ago
I agree. In generations past there were a small number of players who got lots of girls and a small number of losers who got none. The bulk of guys got their one wife or girlfriend. It seems that due to changes in society and technology the number of both players and losers have skyrocketed and the monogamous couples have decreaced.
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offthebeatmeoff 7y ago
It's multiple factors. It's a perfect storm of several factors. Less slut shaming. Online dating is the norm now. As a result of these factors and possibly more girls have access to more attractive men at the tip of their fingers with less social repercussions. You can't really blame them for any of it.
xXaroundtheworldXx 7y ago
I'd add economics to the list of factors. Women have never been as economically independent as they are today, millennial women especially. Average men are simply not needed anymore. Before, they received sex in exchange for provisioning, now they're useless. Just look at the rate of women's academic achievement: how could a phd be attracted to a loser working at gamestop and smoking weed all day? I'd say economics is the major factor, feminism simply rationalized what had already happened.
d0lphinsex 7y ago
Brad Pitt looking? My best friend's brother works as a janitor. He's dating a very successful photographer who buys him trips, invites him to parties with millionaires etc. He's 25, she's a hot 40+ milf.
blackierobinsun2 7y ago
The government needs to get women out of the workforce if they want this economy to get right
offthebeatmeoff 7y ago
I didn't even think of that one, but you're right in a sense. This is anecdotal so don't take it as hard evidence, but I noticed more educated are bigger sluts. I'm pretty young. I won't say my exact age, but I hooked up with Phd candidates and MDs who all kind of made the first move on me. It was all pretty good, but they acted high and mighty and pretended like they couldn't give me a relationship because of my age and how were in 2 different places. Like I'd actually want to date some pretentious skank 5 years older than me.
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offthebeatmeoff 7y ago
I can remember 2 instances off the top off my head. Both were in 2 different locations, and both happened to be Indian (I don't usually go for them). One was in Duke University and she was Phd student in Psychology. She told me her taller white friend was into me. Went to hit on her and she acted aloof. Naturally this annoyed me so I went to go hit on some other girls and suddenly she (the little indian Phd candidate) pulled me into a corner and started making out with me. I escalated and got us away from her friends, and she started telling me I was young and we weren't going anywhere, and maybe I was just in a bad mood that night, but I told her "I don't care, I met you at a night club, you must be out of your fucking mind if you think I came here looking for a girlfriend". She just stared at me dead eyed, and I left.
The other chick was a Doctor in Philly. Met her when I was on a tinder date with another girl who sort of catfished me, and I got her number. I met up with her and she was really weird. She was with her family and she was acting like we had been dating for months. She was holding my hand, getting me to dance with her, getting her family to buy me drinks. There were these funny short Asian guys who talked to me and were telling me "bro this chick is really into you go for it". We kept bullshitting a little more and one of them asked to see my wingspan (I'm really tall so this is a common question for me and not really weird). The one Asian thought it was a good opener to use on girls and he did it to this one blonde. She used him to talk to me, and I told were I was already with someone, but I'd take her number. The Indian girl saw and went full retard. She kept saying how big of a scumbag I was, and how just because I was tall and gorgeous (her exact wording. I never had someone use that to describe me so it was kind of fucking weird). She told her family to go and she pulled me down and made out with me, then literally scurried away.
I know this was a bit of a rant, and may or may not sound a little made up, but I don't think I could make this up. Maybe it's just educated Indian girls, but who knows.
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slay_it_forward 7y ago
I don't do rape I do surprise sex.
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NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
Yea but you know what, the world is pretty over human'd. Maybe this is a good way the Earth generally pawns us. Maybe what is happening is VERY natural.
hermit087 7y ago
I believe its just whites in the west who are having sex and reproducing less. The populations in some poor countries are still exploding.
Otherwise, I agree it would probably benefit the human race to have slightly fewer people.
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The pattern exists in most, if not all, first-world nations. The Japanese birth rate is extremely low.
WeedDaddy 7y ago
The decrease of sex and birth rates is happening in sparsely populated areas.
Birth rates are the highest in the most populated areas (some places in Asia being the exception).
It's more to do with female education, careers and party lifestyle.
NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
When we can no longer afford to carry the 3rd world, they will simply starve.
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They will flood through the gates and eat us at that point
tedcase 7y ago
This is currently happening.
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whatsazipper 7y ago
Not really, they simply come to the 1st world and since they're used to worse conditions, they pop out babies like clockwork while the natives can't even meet their own replacement rate. It's kind of amusing in a strange way.
tedcase 7y ago
Not amusing when it happens on your doorstep.
whatsazipper 7y ago
It is on my doorstep. Sometimes all you can do is laugh.
bar_hopper_dc 7y ago
Little bit of a end-of-anger-phase rant coming.
TRP in a nutshell. Forget what you've been taught about women. Forget all the fucking movies and tales of romance. Forget poetry. Become a high value man, embrace your sexuality, and express it by approaching, flirting, and fucking.
Society has "advanced" to where it is by suppressing our natural instincts. In many contexts, that's great. For the most part, we've achieved a relative level of safety and stability, and I wouldn't want to live in a society where that isn't the case. But men are suppressing their instincts too much.
How many guys are literally scared to talk to a girl? What the fuck? Seriously? Why the fuck should a guy be afraid to talk to a girl? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe back in the tribal days, you'd get killed by some alpha tribe leader. But not today. There is nothing to be afraid of. And yet, how many guys have approach anxiety?
Men have suppressed their natural instincts too much. Learn to use your dick. Feminist brainwashing bullshit essentially tells men that they should not be having sex. What they're really doing is powertalking and telling betas to give up because their seed isn't worthy. So guys accept it. They don't improve. Married betas talk about how they "can't believe she puts up with me!" as they get fat and decay into a sea of watching sports, drinking, and depression. What a fucking joke.
Learn to listen to your instincts. Learn to listen to your dick. Raise your testosterone. Be horny. The alternative? Sit around in your fucking man cave and wait for a social circle opportunity, and hope and pray that you don't "fuck it up." Choice is yours.
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bar_hopper_dc 7y ago
I feel that. I don't rant as someone who's overcome this, but as someone who is very much struggling with it. My strategy has largely been to drink a LOT and I do pretty well, but that's at the expense of massive hangovers, bad decisions, and lost weekends. There's got to be a better way.
F_Dingo 7y ago
That fear stems from just not having any prior experience or even knowing what to do. I know this line of "dude, just approach and talk!" gets piped off on here, but a bunch of millennial guys just don't even know what to do or know where to start. I know this because I'm one of them, I'm fucking almost 23 years old and have had Z E R O interactions with females my age, ZERO. I could count the number of times on my hands that I had interaction with females in highschool (fucking pathetic I know).
At my job last week I finally worked up the nerve to approach this foreign girl, just to ask what country she was from (simple question, easy to do). I know this sounds pathetic, but the shit was tough for me to do because I just don't have any prior experience interacting with girls my age.
The good news is I approached another foreign girl at my job with this same question, have to start somewhere. Baby steps.
luciansolaris 7y ago
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0.5116
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
Read Bang and Day Bang for tips on how to cold approach, offer bait, carry a conversation, sexualize it, and get laid.
bar_hopper_dc 7y ago
So true. Approaching girls is not easy when you start out. You overcame your fear, and now you have momentum. Good luck on your journey brother.
plenty_of_eesh 7y ago
Well done, but I can promise you there's more than just "Breaking the seal and it's done".
I'm 45 and approach-anxiety still haunts me. I've had relationships of length varying from one night to six years, and I've had hundreds if not thousands of "first time" conversations.
In the last few years my eyes have been opened by TRP (although I don't buy in 100%), and so I have both the "academic" knowledge and the personal experience that should make approach a no-brainer for me.
I even had a PUA friend once give me training "in the wild" and I was stunned how easy it was to open sometimes..
And yet. I still have this fear/shyness.
It's something deep, and ingrained. And it explains why, despite the majority of men having heard of "pick up", relatively few still put themselves out there on a regular basis and cross that line, even though there are a thousand blogs extolling the virtues of it.
I don't know what the stumbling blocks are, how much is cultural and how much just parenting style... genetics... sibling order...
But it's definitely a phenomenal that goes beyond just "overcoming once or twice means overcoming forever."
CornyHoosier 7y ago
I was a fat loser all my life, up to and including college. I was literally a 24 year old, fat, nerdy, virgin, loser with absolutely no confidence. I went to a tech school (no women) and worked in tech (no women) in a small dark room in the back of some office.
Just be aware that you can change yourself. If I could break a lifetime-cycle anyone can. I dropped over 100 lbs, started going out and about more, got some hobbies outside of computers, started dress better and liking myself more.
I'm 31 now and feel like I've lived two entirely different lives. It pains me to see younger guys living the way I used to be. I want to shake them and yell that it doesn't have to be the way they're living.
... but as we stress here on TRP. You can't help those that don't want to help themselves. You can't force people to be someone they're not, you can only be an example.
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okiedokie321 7y ago
Is that key to TRP for those who want to settle? Boring, anti-social girl? If that's all it really was, then shit. I'd rather have that than a 9/10 social media whore.
The dynamics would be different for the alpha male and I don't think I'd be turned on much, but pussy is pussy I suppose.
untitled_redditor 7y ago
I'm not a millenial, and I still have sex, but less often.
Also, Tinder, etc. help the best looking guys really cleanup. It's way better than back in the day because the girls don't know how much you're getting. And the ugly/normal dudes have a harder time because these good looking guys aren't ever leaving the market (getting in a relationship). At least that's how it's worked out for my ridiculously good looking younger brother. ...He easily gets more ass than a toilet seat. Not just from Tinder, but it's easy when he wants it.
RedPillAccount69 7y ago
It's just the men not having as much sex, not the women. Therefore, your explanations don't make sense.
The real explanation is this:
Millennial men are a bunch of feminized pussies and women don't find them attractive. Women are still fucking, they are just not fucking them.
(Sorry, never mind, I take that back. It's because all of you MGTOW guys could be fucking women, you just don't want to, you would rather be fat and play XBOX with a bag of cheetos)
zephyrprime 7y ago
I don't even think that feminism is the primary cause for this problem. The problem is just liberal thinking, freedom, and the cessation of actively constructing social roles.
Humans are not naturally monogamous and they do not naturally pair bond on a one-on-one basis. The natural mating pattern for humans is similar to chimps wherein an alpha male gets most of the poon but there is a substantial amount of poon secretly transacted with the betas. The omegas get nothing.
Without civilization forcing roles upon people, humans will simply revert back to natural mating behaviors. Add in the fact that in the modern technological world the young people who are truly alpha are actually not so obvious because career success hasn't been determined yet and it makes sense that young people aren't fucking.
AlerioX 7y ago
Can we make an arrangement that everyone using the word feminism writes it like this: (((feminism)))?
Project_Thor 7y ago
I live in a upper-middle class area, Dude, there's no competition. It's infuriating. I like my fucking competition god damnit.
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I thought feminism 'liberated' women and made them more promiscuous not prudish?
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
Prude to the betas Sluts for the chads