This is my post from /u/Whisper's thread. I thought it deserved it's own topic, so here it is.
Imagine, for a moment, what it's like to be a woman. Imagine that every dumb shit move you ever made in the past, that thing you did when you were fourteen, that time you got drunk and had beer goggles, that thing with your brother's girlfriend in the cabin... imagine that all that shit stayed with you and permanently affected how attractive you were. Remember some of the stupid shit you did before your dark enlightenment? I'll bet some of you fuckers wrote love poetry.
Women bond to men through sex. Men bond through physical and emotional sacrifice. Women are used up by sex in a way men aren't. I've always inherently known this. I find it shocking that so many women aren't privy to this. To me it seems more likely that they are, but simply don't care and think they can lie their way to where they want to be. The thing is, as you say, they never truly win, something always feels missing to them and it's because they've fucked themselves up and their ability to pair bond by riding the carousel so hard. They're chasing a sense of closeness and connection that they can no longer achieve. They have become too desensitised to men, love and sex. They are in a way, soulless, damaged, self-condemned, incapable of the kind of love that fosters happy, lasting monogamy.
And, just like you, the modern woman has had no guidance in how not to fuck up her SMV. Just like you, she has had to figure that shit out for herself. Except, unlike you, she isn't able to erase her past or make it irrelevant. She has to live with it. You get a whole lot of tries, opportunities to learn from your mistakes and fix them. She gets the test, and then the lesson, and no do-overs.
This is why women lie to you about their partner count. Once they figure out that it matters, what the fuck else are they supposed to do?
This is why little girls need a patriarch. Because they could figure shit out for themselves, they are capable of learning, but by the time they've had a chance to, it's too late.
Little girls who grow up without a strong male authority ruling the family have five to six years of non-stop party, then a lifetime of wondering what went wrong. Little girls who do, they miss the early-twenties sex party, but they have more fulfilling lives.
All valid points, however some chicks have very strict parents and still end up being whores who go off the rails. Why? The culture. The father has to work, he can't be there every minute of every day keeping her in check. And if you parent too hard? They hate you and they rebel. They do it on purpose to piss you off and exercise what they feel is their right to freedom. Then you have TV, friends, youth subcultures.. they all push women towards slutdom. Nothing short of living in a rural area can isolate a girl from all the consumerist-sex symbol hedonistic club-culture bullshit that goes on in cities. Women are herdlike, they want to fit in, they want other women to accept them. If they wont wear a higher skirt, or a lower cut top, or more evocative make-up, it can damage their rep with other girls/they can be social outcasts. Dressing plain or conservative can reduce a girl's SMV, she'll get less attention from boys - she's competing with whores, she's insecure, so what is she going to do?
IMO, on top of a patriarch dominating the house, you need religion dominating the morals of a culture to control behaviour/sexuality. I say that as somebody who isn't even religious and thinks religion is fundamentally based upon a lie/flawed premise - but has significant utility in spite of that. Being a good dad isn't enough when all your daughters friends are whores. We're at a stage where most girls are slutty, very few are not. Any man worth his shit knows every girl will say she's not a slut, and that in turn you can trust next to fuck all that comes out of a woman's mouth pertaining to her own personal rep or sexual history. They are all corrupted and hyper-sexualised, be it by companies for advertising or by each other for acceptance. Short of telling your daughter she can't have any friends, how do you stop her peers out-influencing her over you? Her friends will always influence her more than you do - there's nothing you can do about that no matter how alpha you are. It sucks.
The culture is the problem. If you are a strong, assertive, conservative father that wants to raise your daughter right and give her a solid foundation in your life - realise you have a strong decadent culture that heavily embraces dysfunction working against the exact norms you wish to instil into your daughter. Whilst you want to create a woman of wit who knows the value of chastity, monogamy and commitment who is attractive beyond her body, the culture wants your daughter to prostitute herself whenever possible to get ahead - all in the name of women's lib. Don't raise girls in the west, they will most likely grow up to be whores. Whether they hide that well and deny it, or are flagrant and actively embrace the lifestyle is the only distinction - western women for the most part are complete and utter out-and-out whores. You get the odd chick here and there who isn't, the social outcasts of girl world who are still virgins at 25 and have no friends - but they're rare. And just because you don't want your daughter to be a slut, it doesn't mean you want her to be a social outcast. You want a girl who can be socially accepted without being a whore. Where is she gonna find all these other girls who aren't whores or encouraging her to be a whore who aren't total fucking losers?
Feminists/dykes and big business wants your daughter to be a vapid man-hating whore so they can sell her a bunch of shit she doesn't need and make her tap into her inherent fluid (bisexual) sexuality so she'll whore herself out to predatory lesbians when it is necessary for her to get ahead (or she is sufficiently coerced by their head-fucking peer pressuring pseudo-liberal bullshit.) Sounds fucked up, but meditate on that for a second - because it happens. How she gets money for buying shit she doesn't even need is irrelevant (works her own ass off, or leeches from a beta) the companies wanna get their money and see their profits go up. Capitalism/economics doesn't give a shit about society or moral value systems, it's psychopathic it cares about one thing: maximizing profit at the expense of anything and everything. That's it. If profits go up, to capitalism: it's worth it. (And no, I'm not implying socialism is superior, fuck that shit.) Women work less and control more household spending than men. Post-femininity and in the age of feminism, women have been reduced from mothers and wives and people of substantive psychological worth to basic bitches with no value outside their sex.
They act on impulse and do whatever they're told. They buy shit to give themselves the immediate emotional fix they need to "feel complete" temporarily patching up the previous and continuing damage they do to themselves with this fucked up lifestyle. If you believe in a concept of a soul, you'd say they have been conditioned in a way that means they only have part of their soul. They're not quite right or fully cognitive, they live in this strange hypnotic limbo of sluttery, buying shit they don't need "SHOES!" and getting validated. Then once nobody wants their sex it falls apart and they get on the anti-depressants (http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969.) Feminism sold women a fat lie, and women need men more than ever now, but they're too dumb to realise it. Instead they hate men more than ever. And as a bonus: men are more feminine than ever, so the women are really fucked with no options and nowhere to go as an alternative to being a whore, whilst the guys are off acting like faggots playing video games, getting fat and avoiding the transition from boyhood to manhood.
What women really crave is an alpha who isn't corrupted by his own power. Instead they settle for bad boys because 1: her instinct draws her to them and most women cannot distinguish between "morally healthy alpha" and "dysfunctional dark triad alpha." Yes you can be DT and healthy (I know the DT's reading this just got butthurt, but save your concerns, that's a topic for another time.) 2: they're a type of alpha more available than the "righteous patriarch archetype." This is really the type of guy an RPW wants fathering her kids/looking after her. He can be bad/tap into his inner animal, but not abusively towards her. He can punish her enough to show he isn't gonna take her shit, but he isn't gonna tear her soul apart because he's got major beef with women and humanity in general. Most "alphas" nowadays are out-and-out cunts who don't give a shit about the women they fuck. They, like the women do to themselves, fully objectify them as just a series of holes to be fucked. And who can blame these guys, really? I'm not saying it's "right" - but I understand it. Most of these women are devoid of personality, so why would you treat them like people? They are basic bitches. The whole fucking thing is fucked.
Obviously the women aren't conscious of a lot of this, they just act it all out ignorantly and keep the cycle going. Whilst society falls into the gutter in the process, because we need decent women but just like "where have all the good men gone?!" we can likewise ask "where have all the interesting non-slutty women gone?!?!" Women who give a shit about morals and principles and actually are disciplined enough not to fuck that hot guy on a spur of the moment and potentially jeopardise their entire family. Proper women of quality who despite their flaws, do their fucking best to keep them in check and don't just run feral because "YAY FREEDOM!" Respectable women who don't dress like prostitutes. Sure an ample supply of sluts sounds great to the mind in your dick, but it doesn't help civilization prosper, it won't make a good mother for your kids one day. It's not sustainable. In decadence women don't give a fuck about family until the attention and high-value cock runs out, it's all about orgasms and getting paid. Then they wonder why there's no happy ever after, completely oblivious that past behaviour has future consequences - especially when it comes to pair bonding.
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SuperSlavisWife 9y ago
Or you can just go with the truth.
-Every man you have sex with reduces your ability to love a long-term partner.
-Every man you have sex with openly reduces the quality of men you can marry.
-You want to find a sweet-spot between sexy and reliable where you can LTR or marry, as long term relationships are better suited to women as a life strategy.
-You want to cultivate feminine demeanour and avoid TV, social media and drama.
-Every film aimed at women is designed to be feelgood or to sell you something. Neither tell any truths. Stick to pre-1950s films and anime with a largely male target audience. (After all, you're better off emulating Belldandy or Nico Robin than anything out of a "chick flick".)
-You want to be able to financially support yourself, as well as keep a home in order, so that you can live comfortably until you find a man and keep him well when you find him.
-Don't advertise what you're not selling, but don't fail to display what's on offer at the right price.
-It's better for your mental health to be a social outcast at 13 than a crazy cat lady at 30.
-You will regret the children you didn't have, not the ones you did. Your fertile window is actually small, so use it. "Settling" as a virgin at 50 is dumber than having a few prior partners and marrying at 25, when you can still have a good selection of men and reproduce with your husband.
-Don't have sex with a man until the mystery, surprises and fascination wear off. If he's still amazing post-novelty, he's worth your time. Most people are dull once the initial novelty wears off.
-If he won't stick around over a week without sex, chances are he won't stick around with the sex either. If he will stick around for months without any indication of interest, he would stick around for years in the same situation. Find the sweet-spot guy, not the player or the sex-starved loner.
-Don't drink in public or alone. Don't do drugs. If you black out in a strange man's bathroom at a house party, things can happen.
-Regardless of morality, you can't redo your life.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Great advice here! Shame I have but one upvote to give.
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Waldo00 9y ago
It is true women are the Strawsonian dogs that shit on your rug. You can't hit her its a fucking dog. They don't act accountable probably cause they aren't.
shadowq8 9y ago
Now maybe some of you understand why a lot of immigrants do not want to integrate into western culture.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Funny isnt it? How people complain about what the west has become, but they still vote and back legislation that wants to spread this western down spiral to the eastern world, free of charge.
GeeTnastyWITHit 9y ago
Well you're the motherfucking prophet we have been waiting for
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Prophecy is the opiate of the people.
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
Religion is not the answer. It is but a mere band-aid to the bigger problem at hand.
The answer is a growing sense of self-awareness among both men and women. We need science to back up our claims that too many partners will interfere with a woman's ability to bond to her man. Once it has been proven and accepted to be true, the fear that will result from these findings will be enough to keep them in check.
When you think about it, that's all religion is. An institution based on our biggest fear - the fear of death and the unknown. Follow these rules or you're going to hell. But there's no basis for their claims and that's clear as day. As soon as that's figured out, you're entire premise falls apart.
There's already a significant amount of people who see through the bullshit that is religion so if you think this strategy is going to work then I don't know what to tell you. Because it won't.
Furthermore, what if science is able to prove that you are wrong, IllimitableMan? That partner count doesn't matter. I guess it will just make us all that more miserable which is typical of religion.
Logic, scientific evidence and understanding is the only way.
Gotmilkyy 9y ago
Saying that, this or that ideology is the only way, in my opinion, is a bad way to think about things. Many great men before you or me said the same thing about religion, democracy, monarchy, socialism, capitalism, marriage, the list goes on and on.
Why not have a balance of both? Just because you don't agree with chapter 8 page 567 of the bible doesn't mean you dismiss the whole thing. History repeats itself.
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
That's the thing about science. It doesn't care about your opinion. It's objective and a clear means to discovering the truth. It's always open for interpretation and debate.
Religion is the exact opposite. Fanatics will kill you if they disagree. There's no room for interpretation or debate.
curious97 9y ago
There's a huge problem with this idea: Most people don't have a visceral emotional reaction towards scientific findings. Think of how many studies there are on the dangers of X, Y, Z, etc., and people still do not give a shit. Science is aseptic, dry, and insipid to the great majority of humanity, and you need to convince the great majority if you want to see great changes on a societal level.
Now a compelling story about how God, the creator of all, holds us to moral standards, and that if we don't try and follow those teachings which were revealed to humanity by a crucified Jewish mystic in the 1st century who was the incarnation of God in human form we will all die forever and miss out on eternal life? Much more compelling. If you could go ahead and create a compelling mythology using purely scientific findings, I will congratulate you.
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
Yes, that strategy worked for thousands of years. But it's time to move on. If it was still viable we wouldn't be having this conversation.
curious97 9y ago
Move on to what? That's my question. I know religion works, I know it is a force of good but what will you replace it with? Nothing?
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
Logic, scientific evidence and understanding. I already pointed that out.
Look, the point here is to prove the risks and instill the very real danger of sexual promiscuity. Once that is realized it will induce fear in the hearts and minds of all people, both men and women.
There is no stronger emotion than fear. That is why religion is so powerful. It plays on our deepest fears, the fear of death and the unknown, and gives us hope. Even though it is a lie.
We cannot regress. We cannot go back to religion. It's been exposed and that option is simply no longer viable. If we try to use it in this context we will never be taken seriously and rightfully so.
Science will appeal to both men and women. Science is the truth, and as they say, the truth shall set you free. It may take some time but so be it.
Edit: it's not a force for good either. It's a force for ignorance and evil. It stunts critical thinking and is one of the main tenets of the BP matrix. IllimitableMan wants to call out atheists as "reverse zealots" but he fails to realize that we have good reason for it. We have all the evidence to back up what we are saying and recognize all the harm that religion causes.
curious97 9y ago
but what is the danger really, what is there to fear? Higher risk of disease, lesser propensity to bonding, lesser length of marriage, why would any modern-day woman care (or man for that matter)? She gets all of the promiscuity she wants and gets to settle with a guy who hasn't had sex for 30 years (because he wasn't one of the alphas she was fucking). Meanwhile alphas get to fuck without having to fulfill the duties of marriage, and they get an incredible variety and quantity of women. The desire for sex like this will override any of that logic and scientific finding you are proposing. I mean even on here, many men are aware of the dangers of promiscuity on a scientific level but still choose to have as much sex as possible for the most part.
Religion restricts freedom and hedonistic pleasure in order to make long-term growth possible. Humans are shortsighted and will invariably turn to selfish, destructive but pleasurable behavior (if only there was a concept/word which encompassed all of those behaviors... hmmm).
I fail to see how religion has been "exposed". There are many conceptions of God which are 100% compatible with science, the catholic Church for example has been at the forefront of scientific discovery and education for a while now, do you think they fear being "exposed"? Religion is still a factor in the majority of the world's population. Are you talking about the kind of voyeuristic youtube videos of prominent new atheists "destroying" or "anally annihilating stupid fundies"? Those do nothing. When the irreligious societies of today collapse amid increasingly hierarchical sexual relations, unsustainable quantity of non-productive bachelors and egregious economic and social inequality, religion will rise up from the ashes.
Science is just observation. Nothing more, it does not convince, it does not enamor, it is not romantic and it does not fill one with zeal like religion can and does. "well maybe you won't have such a good marriage and down the line society will suffer from your actions" is nowhere near convincing enough to ~70% of human society, perhaps more, as "God has divided these behaviors into sin and virtue. Behave." People already have a yearning for meaning and pattern, and when confronted with the seemingly chaotic nature of the Universe, they panic. You can either give them a productive ideology, albeit slightly deceptive at times, or a nihilistic and hedonistic ideology like we have today.
All in all I just think you're giving way too much credit to the bulk of the population.
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
I don't even know where to begin. Nearly everything you said is wrong.
Why would women fear STD's, reduced pair bonding, less successful marriages? Do you hear yourself?
Religion is compatible with science and at the forefront of discovery? Really?
If you accept evolution to be true, which it is, then you have to deny original sin. If you deny original sin, the whole Christian/catholic religion falls apart.
Science is nothing but observation? Uh, yeah and it's also the bedrock of all creation and understanding to this day. Look around you. It's all due to science.
No I do not over-estimate the average person. I know they won't accept it. Frankly, I don't give a shit. That's their problem. Science is true, religion is a lie. That's TRP for dummies. Either get with the program or get fucked.
curious97 9y ago
barring the STD point (which they don't care about clearly, so many women have herpes and other diseases and honestly they can just wear a condom), women simply do not give a fuck about not being able to pair with a future husband or have a successful marriage because there is more incentive to have a few kids and get the fuck out so they can clean him out with alimony and child support and continue trying to ride the CC. Women and men do not give a FUCK in the short-term about these consequences. You know who suffers most from the CC? Their children, and their children, and their children, and so on
Yes. Frankly I am shocked that even the most staunch atheist still hasn't understood this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Western_civilization http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_Christianity_on_western_civilization Do you know where universities come from? Do you know who first discovered genetics, the big bang theory? Do you know who the Jesuits and their commitment to education are? Are you aware that anti-science american evangelicals are far, far from being the norm in Christianity? watch this video for a very quick rundown of why you are wrong, at least when it comes to the largest religion on this earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n9XjF55L7Q
...Clearly I have vastly underestimated the level of misinformation you have been fed about Christianity and Catholicism. Are you aware of the fact that Catholics do not consider Genesis to be a literal account of Creation, but rather a metaphorical fable? Are you aware of the fact that Catholics and most Christians completely, and I mean completely agree with evolution? Original sin is entirely compatible with evolution, because sin is a moral issue while evolution is a biological issue. Two different spheres of reasoning.
lol how did you interpret me slamming science in any way? I simply said it like it is, it cannot fill the void left because of the hasty removal of religion from Western society. I am currently studying in a STEM field (and at a Jesuit educational institutional institution if you're curious about that, which has produced some the best scientists businessman and politicians of my region), and I am aware of how important it is in order for us humans to learn about the Universe. Science is an invaluable tool for understanding creation, you are right. This has nothing to do with religion.
Right so you do admit you don't give a fuck about what religion can do and how important it is? You still haven't offered an alternative to religion which could be compatible with your own beliefs, and you've now admitted you don't care about the fate of the people that won't listen to a research paper. Let me ask you this: do you agree that the current situation with women riding the CC, 20% of men fucking 80% of women, and all of the associated bullshit that comes with that is bad for society on the long-term? Do you care? Because you refuse to admit religion would greatly help in that area and you just admitted yourself that most people won't care for the purely scientific argument.
Listen I don't want to diminish the probably uncomfortable experience you've had with Christianity (I am going to go out on a limb and assume you were born into an American protestant denomination, who are frankly delusional, and therefore feel uncomfortable with religion in general) but you are simply ignorant right now about Christianity, as is evident throughout your responses. I suggest you read up a lot more about the specific beliefs of more religions, as well as on non-fundamentalist views of religion and different conceptions of God. You ever hear about stuff like Deism, Pantheism, etc?
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
So many questions. I'll just say this. All of these scientific discoveries have been made in spite of religion. Not because of it.
I have offered an alternative and my reasoning remains consistent. You have to educate people with the TRUTH. It is up to them to either accept it or not. You cannot lie to them and hope for the best.
Again, what if TRP is wrong about partner count? What if it does not actually matter? Wouldn't you like to actually see peer-reviewed, verifiable evidence that it is the case? I know I would. Because as far as I can tell, there is none. All that we have is anecdotes.
IllimitableMan, you can offer your two cents any day now.
curious97 9y ago
Literally only your opinion. If you carefully looked at what I wrote you would see that many of these discoveries were made BY religious people. It's not like the Church just begrudgingly let the discoveries be made, they actively WANTED to do science and still do.
Also I was just replying to your false assumption that religion and science are not compatible, not saying that science without religion is impossible.
No you don't, and yes we can "lie" to them in order to attain our goals. We're already being lied to: feminism, promiscuity being flawless, capitalism being the ideal system, nihilistic "nothing matters man" attitudes, etc. Those are all lies and opinions, simply contemporary ones. Do you actually think you could found a society on purely scientific truths with no fable, story, myth, subjective artistic expression appearing? This is a ridiculous idea. It has never happened and I fail to see why it would happen today.
Partner count itself is not the greatest problem. The open availability of sex outside of marriage is. And many political treatises have been made on this subject, you just need to lurk around on socially conservative corners of the internet and many people will make the case for it, most much more articulate than I.
Also you unfortunately won't get a lot of peer-reviewed academic evidence on this subject because sociology is a very, very biased field of academia and hardly accepts anything that can be deemed as sexist/racist/homophobic/reactionary/etc. is rejected. Sadly not all sciences are as objective as mathematics or physics.
the_hibachi 9y ago
So should I find one of those good Christian virgin girls and then raise my family to be religious? Serious question. Not being facetious.
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killerwhale681 9y ago
Cold hard facts are just that. If a young woman is raised feral by her mother, that's what she is. If she views men as animals, then she is likely to do anything to whoever marries her. Remember, she patterns her behavior on what she has seen. MGTOW is a rational response to a stacked deck.
watersign 9y ago
Women are a liability these days
ROIVeritas 9y ago
They are the ultimate conflict of interest, against not only us but themselves.
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ROIVeritas 9y ago
You're a great dad man. Need more men like you doing whats right.
dLuR 9y ago
Wow this was my favorite post ever on this sub. 100% of it was spot on. Quality post man, thank you. Shit like this really helps people connect the dots that they choose to ignore. Then it slaps them in the face.
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I can't give a rough estimate, but judging by my observations on myself and one of my friends, it seems to me that people can actually end up being heathier individuals psychologically after some period of learning and applying DT traits, specifically the machiavellian strategies.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Yeah because you can still practice your own form of morality despite being Machiavellian. Psychopathy, dysfunctional narcissism (but specifically sadism) create the problems. That discussion is worth it's own thread I don't want to debase this topic going off on a tangent.
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You even edit your own comment to not directly reply to me?
Oh my god, I'm so butthurted!!11!1
[deleted] 9y ago
Please expand and at least define what you mean by "problems". It is just your opinion stated in this way.
vandaalen 9y ago
Well. Our society is clearly lead by psychopaths on powertrips. Do you like the outcome?
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Well, one could make some hypotheses on your "tone" and thus your thinking, but of course they are just hypotheses, so nothing sure.
I will answer the question stating what I think: those who lead society did what they think was best to do for them. Whether I "like" or not the outcome is of no concern to nobody, especially it is of no concern to me.
This is just the way it is. If one cannot obtain the most advantage for himself, that one will be deprived of his power by those who can obtain advantage.
And thus, it is now clear. Those who "cannot" see others who "can" and those who "cannot" will be, let's just say, a little bit angry perhaps? I don't know if I chose the correct word.
Your question is very simple to answer. And you even already know the answer. As you also know my answer.
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It probably means people fucking over people out of schandenfreude or mere ego, which is likely to put one in an unfavorable position thereafter like unnecessary enemies developed over time or dampening damage that could've been avoided in the first place.
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Acting out of schandenfreude or mere ego, and only because of these reasons, is not a rational act.
So, these "problems" probably are done after not rational decisions, and then they will put one (is this "one" the actual decision maker?) in an unfavorable position as defined by you.
So, these seem to be problems only for the decision maker. Well, as your words, you are saying a truth thing: If one makes a decision that will lead him to make some kind of error, then you define this as a "problem".
Did I understand your words correctly?
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bama79rolltide 9y ago
Post-femininity and in the age of feminism, women have been reduced from mothers and wives and people of substantive psychological worth to basic bitches with no value outside their sex.
Couldn't agree more.
Zipdot 9y ago
I really feel like you are right after reading this. When I consider all the relationships I have experienced, and all the relationships I have witnessed... this really rings true.
That brings be to another issue though.
I do not want to be an alpha male. The way it is described in these forums, it is entirely too much work, and potentially too much risk for me to even consider.
I will not be beta bucks, my parents have warned be against this from a very young age.
That leaves me with 2 options. I can either be lonely and depressed the rest of my life, or I can end my life.
I do not want a submissive woman who I must control with red pill tactics. I want a woman who is a slut only in my bedroom, but who is strong enough to tackle the world on her own if need be without tapping into her sexuality.
I want a woman who loves me more than my mother loves me and who will never abandon me, no matter how bad my situation is. A woman who is a slut in my bedroom, a chef in my kitchen, and a mother to my children. A woman who looks at no other man than me. I have no interest in constantly being shit tested.
That life, even if I were to perform it perfectly, gives me no happiness.
If the only way to attain what I desire is through emotional domination and control... I feel as though I can never be happy in this world.
Edit: grammar
Super_Positive 9y ago
I don't 100% subscribe to the theory that Jews invented cultural Marxism to destroy the West, but why does Western society seem so intent on destroying itself? Women are either becoming loud, obnoxious, fat anti-male feminists or complete sluts. In response to this, men are dropping out of the workforce and the provider role - leaving women chasing the few alphas left after years of feminist indoctrination, only to end up miserable and alone - maybe best case scenario locked down with a beta who disgusts her. The good girls who are left are surrounded and bombarded with peer pressure, advertising and social values that encourages being a slut and focusing on a career. I live at a college and regularly lose respect for girls because while they do well in their studies and are driven to succeed in the workplace, I hear about how 'so and so blew some guy in the toilet of a club'. Where the fuck are we going to go from here?
PM_Me_For_Drugs 9y ago
Hopefully the generations to come will de-program themselves quickly and breed wisely, so that perhaps their children's children won't have all of the potential fight squeezed out of them by velvet-gloved iron fists.
I seriously fucking doubt it though; by and large we are an incredibly malleable and self-interested bunch of children.
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WAFC 9y ago
Considering what "manhood" has become, I find it difficult to fault anyone who chooses that path.
Oh_FuFu 9y ago
Sign your daughters up for the tests guyz.
Luke666808g 9y ago
I think the best way to teach daughters not to whore around would be to explain red pill truths to them, so that if they do decide to slut it up, at least they'll understand that they'd be destroying their future happiness.
Women may not be inherently rational, but I believe they can make a rational choice IF the facts are laid out in front of them, and they don't automatically reject it as feel bad nonsense cooked up by evil white men to keep women down.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Excellent as always sir. Your post is annhiliating decrepit social contructs and deflating the inflation of the slutdom dominated marketing strategies' infrastructure. Big business pays big bucks for people to comply without their consent to your aforementioned.
Lower the standard of woman = lower the standard of women
Women acting like slut puppies = few babies in nuclear families, more abortions, less willing men for LTR's
The more women get their hypergmamous, feminist way = more men hitting eject on their bullshit
"Woman's freedom and power actually helped ruin her"- Evola
DaisyLayz 9y ago
I hate this sub, but I loved this post. Thumbs up to you and your brutal honesty.
my-redpillthrowaway 9y ago
Okay. This is the one and only thing from TRP that I find is a bit hypocritical. Yes, having a high partner count is bad for women. They won't be able to bond with men properly after a certain point. But I think it applies to men too. I don't expect to pin plates for a long time and then marry one of them and live happily. I will always crave new pussy just like women always crave alpha cock.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Double standards and hypocrisy don't invalidate the validity of an argument. We hold men and women to different standards as a matter of "what works." If I believed men couldn't have meaningful LTRs after fucking lots of women I'd say that. I don't believe that. I've known of many men who have fucked half the planet and then lived happily ever after with a quality women. Some fuck chicks on the side, some don't.
Men don't fall in love by having sex. They fall in love by sacrificing (I do believe this is in OP.) Women aren't expected to sacrifice for men in the way men are for women. That's why they don't fall in love in the way men do. Sex is just sex to men. To women, it is love, until they become desensitised, then they can't pair bond any more through sex. Women fall in love by having the same cock repeatedly enter them until a chemical bond is formed. Have I heard stories of women who fucked half the planet and ended up being balanced, healthy relationship material? No. If women could do it, then promiscuity wouldn't be such a problem assuming an absence of STDs. Life isn't fair. Where men get the short end in some areas (can't show emotions like women can) women do in others (can't be a whore and live happily ever after like a man can.) Women can be as angry about the unfairness of that as they like, it doesn't change anything.
This is just the nature of the game. I don't make the rules. Get notions of fairness out of your head, the world isn't fair. Something doesn't need to be fair in relation to something else to be valid or true. It would be great if women could pair bond after being complete whores, it would make all our lives easier. Those divorce rates would be a fuck ton lower for a start. But they can't, so they're not. It is what it is.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Your logical presentations on this topic, truly have no limit.
jagrmeister721 9y ago
Your blog is amazingly fucking good. Bookmarked.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Thanks for the support bro.
drallcom3 9y ago
Rational, well behaved women aren't useful to corporations and politics. A women who can freely follow her instincts will always spend all of her money for useless shit, while a decent woman would either be able to decide for herself or consult her husband. Likewise BP men are raised to spend all of their money on those women instead of investing in their own future to gain true power and independence. Politics also benefit from the constantly broke woman without a future who can be bribed with (hidden) welfare money. Just get a baby, marry a BP sucker or pussy pass your way into something. In the end the end every man is a BB because most of his taxes go to women. A good woman would talk with her husband what party to vote for, but that's dangerous for the party in power. Just an example: The liberal leftist parties in Germany are carried by young women, young orbiters and state employees. No one is going to support your traditional family anymore.
Sebsebzen 9y ago
That's exactly the reason why the Muslim world feels threatened by the West, and why they retort terrorism as a way of defense against our aggressive cultural norms destroying their societies.
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Religion? You think religion is making her less of a whore?
IllimitableMan 9y ago
It basically shames her into compliance by providing a basis for irrational fear. Women respond constructively to irrational fear when it is directed at moral aims.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
My neighbors a pastor, and he works as a a mechanic from home.
When I was in highschool, I'd get off the bus and his only daughter, his only, rebellious daughter would be followed off the bus by 4 guys walking up my dead end block to my neighbors' house across the street.
For a 4 on one study session? I think not. She was several paces ahead of them, they were savoring the meal to come, literally.
Preachers daughters are notorious slags. Some of the biggest whores ever, no surprise, are found in the church. They want to "repent of their sins" and "wear a dress only" on Sunday, and the night before she was owning the pole in the club, her assprint is still there.
Another girl I knew from highschool, we were actually just good friends, was the seemingly sweetest girl ever, father was a deacon in the local baptist ministry, choir girl life, etc.
She was caught on camera giving some guys top in a class after school.
Its her life. Fast forward to the present day, everyone's suit and tie corporate and important now right?
See her on the train coming out of work, I notice her and hope she doesn't notice me. When she does I just ignore her. I briefly glance over to see her response to me not initiating a heartfelt, heartwarming reunion, she looked disappointed, and devastated.
Women are used to having their reputations ruined from sexual escapades. This is why they will not hesitate to return the favor to a man, ANY man.
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That actually makes more sense phrased that way.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Fear has it's uses. It's not all bad. "You'll go to hell!" and all that shit works great on women. They prioritise safety over everything because they are physically weak.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Some, the ones who have a shred of morals or dignity left, sure.
But the ones who have never had it? I know HB 8,9,10's who post Bible quotes to their social media to find a BP, or seem "genuinely looking for love" and then they are getting tapped by portugese illegals who pass for americans by wearing size extra medium abercormbie and fitch. It's too funny.
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
You are the first person other than myself to take this stance on religion. Too many people think religion is worthless just because it is a lie.
Religions value is not in the afterlife. It grants those that can believe so many benefits. An upstanding position in society, a moral code for children, charity (which indirectly affects the giver positively), a monogamous system, and (perhaps the most valuable) motivation.
Without religion each individual has to subsidize all of the aspects. Religion is a lie of necessity.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
In the movie Alexander, Phillip of Macedon played by Val Kilmer says to his young son,:
"Do you know why men fear the gods? Because they fear worse.
What's worse?.. The Titans!"
By giving people a choice where they thought they had one, society is suffering in realms where we used to have choices.
Look up Nirvana's song "Breed"
Luxury became necessity, then necessity died.
So what we have is rampant, unchecked widescaled mutual objectification of the sexes, at the expense of those who aren't quick enough or resourceful enough to keep up playing this game.
Gotmilkyy 9y ago
Thank you for saying this. I have been going over in my head for the past month on why I thought religion could be a good thing in the right context even though its seen as false. Maybe its another of the necessary evils next to government.
deville05 9y ago
I only support religion if it can keep us violent apes in check. But as far as controlling women, nah man. You cant force and oppress and control them because we did that already by using religion. it doesnt take into account the evil of men and how they will use it. Im sure that religion line in OP's post exactly what the religious heads said when coming up with it. Its what weak men came up with because they couldnt lead properly. They needed fear.
Cyralea 9y ago
If you care, I wrote an article about religion's role on shaping society almost a year ago.
There was some pretty good discussion about the necessity of a Patriarchy for both genders.
parrrot_ 9y ago
Surely not, maybe the first you've met/heard about, but I'm sure that's what you meant.
I've been an atheist since I was 5 or something, when God didn't give me the set of legos I wanted after I prayed at night (If you exist, give me this at the end of the bed when I wake up). Superb logic.
Since then, however, I've come to the same conclusion: While religion is a lie, when the values are imposed upon a people / society, the net value is probably positive.
It was actually a thread here on TRP that made me reconsider what I thought I knew. I've snapshot it here. I selected a permalink for a certain comment which goes even further in explaining it, so make sure to read the first comment and the first reply to it. It really changed my views a lot, at least after thinking about it for a while.
vakerr 9y ago
Head over to /r/DarkEnlightenment and start reading the sidebar.
scamper_22 9y ago
The problem is depending on your religion, it can be really hard to be that contradictory.
I come from a pretty orthodox Islamic background. I also happen to be pretty traditional in the sense, of work, family, life of substance is the best... The problem is, I have left my religion and it is beyond my character to simply stroll around talking about my religion knowing it is a lie.
Perhaps it is more with Islam in the sense that I'd be telling my kids that the Koran is the way of life God ordained and you follow the rules. Then god forbid my child ever reads the book (and he might.. with my genes) and I couldn't do that to the child.
I can't say for sure, if I had a less silly religion, maybe I could be a part of it just the community. There are times I listen to Christian preachers and maybe I could be a part of that community. But honestly, I don't know. It might just be my personality, but I have a hard time with it.
Probably more so with Islam and my community can be a bit in your face with it.
Even as a left I religion, I knew it was very useful for people. But again, is religion the answer? Muslim communities and groups are totally screwed up. Drugs and alcohol are a huge problem. Girls are sluts; just hidden behind the scenes. I go to functions and people are complaining of lesbians being a huge problem with even married women...
Sure, feminism can screw up kids. Religion can too. Let's not even talk about extremism. Perhaps an ideal religious community can be a good thing. But many of us are not in such a position and truth be told, I haven't seen such an ideal community. As I've said, I've only seen glimpses of protestant Christianity that appeal to me, but that is outside looking in. Who knows what is it like on the inside. And who knows if I could keep up the lie.
Right now, the best I can think of is to teach my child the morality as a way of life and explain it and hope it is enough. If I have a daugther, explain the sexual market, her value, what she has to do, what she should for in a guy... A guy... the same thing.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I view atheists as reverse zealots, idiots on the opposite extreme of the spectrum to religious nuts. Religion is very necessary to ensure moral order. All the dietary crap and blind adherence to rules and rituals that make no sense in the modern age I don't agree with. But the moral system, suppression of promiscuity (necessary for monogamy/advanced civilization) and sense of community it provides are all incredibly valuable. Religion enforces these things to the net benefit of everyone.
Atheism has none of that, atheism is almost autistic and misses the forest for the trees. It concentrates mainly on the existence of God, and proving things with science. It obsesses over disproving religion rather than being a viable alternative to religion. It's more of a anti-religion movement than it is a viable ideology to live by. That's it. It misses out on all the other important roles religion has played in society and doesn't even provide alternatives with it's own ethos. IMO, modern atheism is a cult of intellectual narcissists intelligent enough to understand science but devoid of philosophical learning. They fail to acknowledge the importance of morality and the role religion played in delivering that on a macro scale. I always state I am not religious when I make pro-religious arguments, because I don't need close-minded atheists framing me as some religious idiot. I am neither atheist nor religious. I may opt in to Buddhism for the meditation and other benefits I mention earlier on in this post. It seems to be the one religion devoid of all the harmful freedom-limiting bullshit.
Modern day atheists are what you get when you teach people science divorced of philosophy. Arrogant idiots who are just as obnoxious as religious nutjobs. Both groups think they are superior and have all the answers. But both groups have it wrong and are essentially too proud to admit the holes in their ideological frameworks. As is typical of most (if not all) ideology.
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Matsew 9y ago
let's not go as far as calling atheists zealots and certainly not idiots:). most just realize that religion is not true and if you've been brainwashed all your life, that's a pretty decent intellectual achievement, they won't be hateful bitter evil individuals for the most part. i guess there will be some fedoras circlecerking over at r/atheism but no reason to hate us all.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I don't hate atheists per se, I do find their more vocal elements to be annoying and obnoxious. I do find the whole notion of going out of your way to discredit "God" to be a waste of time. There are far more productive things atheists could do, eg: offer an alternative to religion, perhaps a philosophical framework people could live by devoid of the scaremongering manipulation of hell and heaven.
Perhaps make your own stories like Nietzsche did with "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" or Rand did with "The Fountainhead" to illustrate points and principles, but be explicit in stating they are fictional stories lest some idiot in 2,000 years decides all that shit actually happened and is an accurate depiction of history and that you all have to fucking pilgrimage to the metaphorical places described in the stories. You don't need that idiocy creeping in to what you try to create, but this is the danger with creating stories and having them misinterpreted.
This would be far better than taking the collective piss out of religion. The atheist movement seems asinine to me. Although you do make a valid point in saying that if one was brainwashed to follow religion then breaking free of such programming is an achievement. That is a most agreeable statement. That is perhaps the only productive element I can see atheism serving. As a replacement for religion however? No. Good for undoing brainwashing, not good for giving one moral guidance. In fact I would argue some could use atheism to justify immorality. "What's the point, God doesn't exist." Cue the existential nihilism any moment now...
hairaware 9y ago
There is no such thing as a true atheist as no one can ever really know whether there is a god or not. I choose not to believe in one but if he appeared in front of me I wouldn't deny his existence. Atheism or agnosticism purely just wants proof. Be religious if you want, I'll choose to think you're crazy for believing that some force or person is the reason you didn't get run over today.
Religion is just an easy way out of a hard problem.
Azothlike 9y ago
That same argument can be used for every religion. Such as, there's no such thing as a true Christian, because you can't know there is a God.
Religion is not generally defined as what you know. It's defined as what you believe.
suloco 9y ago
You perfectly described my problem with militant atheists. They think they're the shit but in reality, they're lacking.
vakerr 9y ago
And then you read papers about the health benefits of occasional fasting. Next you realize that regular prayer has a lot in common with meditation.
Sure, religions probably carry some 'junk DNA' as part of their memeplex, but many (most?) traditions survived because they provided some evolutionary benefits to those practicing them.
Entrefut 9y ago
We don't need religion, we need ample leadership and country wide goals that involve each and every person putting in work. Being a cog in a machine might sound like it sucks, but it's sure as hell better then being a cog in a junk yard.
And screw the normal family system. I'd rather adopt a 2 wives 1 husband household. Why not provide more fuel to the male mind whi h has been the driving force of 99% of discoveries since fire.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I like the idea myself mainly for reasons of running maintainable dread, lots of sex and out of ego - but I don't believe the demographics could support it. Look at guys in the middle east. Drowning in pussy or thirsty as fuck. Kind of like here in the west, just for different reasons.
Entrefut 9y ago
The sex would just be fucking awesome. And as much as society would frown on it, the women would be happier "solving" eachothers emotional shit, helping each other will cooking, cleaning, pintresting, instagraming, doing makeup, "working out" and whatever other worthless stuff girls do. It's like a built in support system and all I'd have to do is bat away a couple extra shit test and dominate two women instead of one in bed. Damn that would be the dream. Definitely not sustainable for the masses, but i've been turned off by the idea of being a martyr after watching my dad live his life in service of others. The masses aren't dictating my life.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Great points. You're selling me well on this shit. Not that it would take much, haha.
Entrefut 9y ago
We really really need to get some Harem building posts going. I'm still in and out of monk mode from working full time and going after a very tough engineering degree so casual fuck now and then are about all I have time for. But when I'm out of college, I'm going to find a stable way to make that shit work.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
In complete agreement. New methodologies/approaches would be great.
Helmut_Newton 9y ago
I disagree with your characterization here. Atheists are not a monolithic group. An atheist simply has no belief in God. Yes, some atheists are needlessly strident, but some are not.
smoothjazzanarchist 9y ago
Categorically, what you're saying is true. Practically, what OP said is true. People who self-identify as atheists tend to memorize a few speaking points to justify their lifestyles, but they rarely think critically about what they believe (or don't believe) what they do.
I have more respect for skeptics who identify as agnostics, since they often doubt the existence of God and see the flaws in religious reasoning, but don't fall for the illogical traps of the modern day atheists.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Well to be fair most athetists you wouldn't even know unless they told you. Just like religion most people wont bring it up unless you ask.
It's the ones that are out there protesting at funerals because 'God hates fags' and the ones bitching about nativity scenes and christmas trees and stupid shit like 'in god we trust' on money that everyone associates with religion or atheism.
Helmut_Newton 9y ago
True to some extent. Although some faiths make it a point to have their members prosthelytize, so they will try to tell you "the good news" whether you want to hear it or not.
SlinkyOne 9y ago
Always have the option to say no.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Yes, I am generalising.
Azothlike 9y ago
The flaw in generalizing is directly proportional to the level of mischaracterization being committed; and in that instance, associating the whole of atheism with 'zealous almost-autism' is ridiculous.
You don't have to be a sociopath to be an atheist. Atheists are not without personal moral compasses. You attempt to claim that religion is necessary due to morality, yet ignore the copious acts of immorality and civilizational trauma that religion has also caused, because the same blind moral faith that preserves the family unit through shaming promiscuity also 'hates fags' in Russia, slaughters millions in jihad and religious crusade, and fucks with the planet in my own back yard(to quote my twice-a-week church-going grandfather, "Anyone who thinks we can change God's climate is vain and insane").
You can't pick and choose what you like about religion and what you don't like about atheism. What you're advocating, ignorant morality based on faith and history, is useful when we get it right, but irrevocably damaging when we get it wrong, and religion has little way of being able to tell when it's wrong.
A knowledgeable moral structure is a superior alternative, but that requires a basis in knowledge, not faith; an advocacy for studying, not praying. Knowledge and science may not have caught up to the workings of the brain, and specific ways that promiscuity damages pair bonding and in turn society, but I'm much more confident in knowledge bettering society as a whole than I am faith, now and in the future.
Lumberjack1234 9y ago
See, this is exactly the kind of situation where you can't see the forest behind the trees. It's easy to make statements like "slaughters millions in jihad and religious crusade" when you are ignorant and can't put things into perspective.
Azothlike 9y ago
Putting things into perspective is exactly what I did.
Illimitable is a fantastic frequent poster, but his post on this subject ignored the forest(religion's sum effect on society) for the tree of the religious moral codes that aren't absurd; and let's be honest, we've dropped a lot of absurd religious codes of conduct since 1 A.D.
I don't deny the benefits that religion has established; but science has been bashing at it's walls for millenia, and any attempt at rationalizing religion as a superior social system to science would have to rationalize it's past and present foibles as well, or concede that religion has, will, and should continue to cede social influence over to science when applicable.
Split2nd 9y ago
That was an excellent rebuttal and thank you for putting that into perspective.
AnonTheAnonymous 9y ago
Everything you said about atheists was incorrect. Most atheists are not scientists, and there are atheists who are involved in all sorts of philosophical moral ideologies. Atheism was never intended to be an alternative religion to religion, it was a rejection of religious dogma, and the beginning of a search for rational social morality. The atheists simply are not in any way united on any moral philosophy, because their is no empire, just petty little groups here and there scattered throughout atheists.
Sexual suppression really isn't the goal either.
emptyform 9y ago
I'm afraid you'll find Buddhism is its own set of chains, but like other religions, it is far from devoid of value. After being raised extremely Christian, I've gone down the Buddhism rabbit hole (among others) and found it ultimately dissatisfactory and rather non-liberating. Still worth it for the positives you can take from it.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I'll bear that in mind. Thanks.
Birdoftruth 9y ago
Me too brother. Was raised Christian but wanted to venture out. I have been on two Buddhist meditation (vipassana) retreats and while shila and prajna do provide ethics and good values for those to follow, the eastern ideas just never seemed to connect with me at the deepest level. For some reason, most likely being raised with it, I always seem to come back to connecting with the idea of the trinity and the sayings in the bible.
I've come to the conclusion that there is there's def no winning with any one religion i.e. there's always something bad about it. So it's best to just go with the one that connects the most and disregard the fanaticism and illogical things about it.
emptyform 9y ago
Why pick one? "Take what you need and leave the rest."
brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
Can't help but notice your username comes from a term in Zen Buddhism (if I'm not mistaken).
Wouldn't mind hearing your and /u/Birdoftruth weighing in on Gnostic Christianity?
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brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
Read up on the Biblical Apocrypha, particularly the Gospel of Thomas and the Pistis Sophia. Gnosticism was a major influence on Descartes' philosophy of mind, probably more closely paralleling Tibetan Buddhism than Zen, but the concept of gnosis is very similar to the Sufi irfan. The traditions likely arose contemporaneously along the Silk Road.
emptyform 9y ago
Thanks for the intel, I will look into that.
BetaRecovery 9y ago
Don't you mean anti theists instead of atheists?
pl231 9y ago
they're the same thing, except modern atheists are trying to shift to redefining atheism as agnosticism and thus creating a difference.
TornadoFlame 9y ago
No, you are incorrect. They are two separate terms.
BetaRecovery 9y ago
Atheism and anti theism is the same thing?
longerdistance 9y ago
As I understand it these are the definitions:
Atheist: somebody who doesn't believe in god. This includes /u/IllimitableMan according to his post.
Anti-theist: Somebody who thinks religion has an overall negative effect on humanity.
The problem is people use atheist and anti-theist interchangeably now because the new atheist movement is clearly anti-religion, as a quick gander through /r/atheism will show you.
A way to avoid association with anti-theists would be using the term "non-religious" to describe yourself.
BetaRecovery 9y ago
Aren't you changing the definition here? U don't have to call myself anti religious just to suit your tastes.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Yeah I don't believe in God (perhaps there is an architect, but not "God") and at the same time I'm not anti-religious. Pro moderate-religion, anti-extremism, crusades, caliphates and all that bullshit. I can't keep up with all the changes/nuances to definitions to concepts in areas I don't follow. I don't get involved with the clusterfuck that is religious debate.
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openwaves 9y ago
Do you mean you don't believe in the male Christian "God" that we've been raised with in Western religion? If that, then rightfully so.
The 'Architect' or Creator you suggest would be above and beyond all religious bullshit debate, above male and female, etc. Only suggesting food for thought.
Active reader of your site, good work on this thread.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Pretty much, yes.
Yes, either living outside this universe/reality or some kind of alien species who seeded us from within this reality. Those are just some ideas for alternatives, I don't believe either of them to be "the absolute affirmative truth." They just seem more likely to me than "God." It makes no sense we'd be the centre of the universe/special when the universe is so vast. Not saying humanity isn't incredible, but that I don't think the creator of everything that ever was and ever will be (assuming that is something that exists or existed) would especially spend time on the third planet in the Milky Way galaxy. If "God" described by religion is one of these things but with this information omitted - that'd make sense.
Thanks!
vakerr 9y ago
For a mindfuck you might want to check out the simulation argument, if you're not familiar with it.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Heard of it before. It's a lot to wrap one's head around.
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
We have similar mentalities, but I confess you are more proficient at verbalizing your thoughts. As always, you have insightful posts.
Also I'm going to internalize the wording you used here and use it to describe my outlook on religion. You may be the first blogger I ever decide to follow.
UnpluggedMaestro 9y ago
How do you reconcile the idea of blind faith of religion though? I am an agnostic, but I like some parts of Christianity very much (the morals, ethics, humanist principles), but I can't stand the other parts (the bigotry, the over-the-top praise-jesus part, and it seems the lack of critical thinking carries over to all parts of their lives, etc.). Is there perhaps a method to get all the benefits without the disadvantages?
vakerr 9y ago
Have you noticed that progressivism has all of that except the God part?
harkrank 9y ago
Almost all people who claim to be atheist have other supernatural ideas they worship: mostly government, Mammon or a combination. The difference is a religious person knows he believes, while the "atheist" thinks he knows.
Science has also become more and more dogmatic every year. Black holes and dark matter are unobserved ideas that are portrayed as undisputed truths, while 20 years ago they were at least honestly described as theories.
loveofnotes 9y ago
Slow clap. Cue single tear rolling down cheek. That was the most brilliant, sensible thing I've ever read about religion. Thank you
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AintEzBnWhite 9y ago
Post saved for the OP and this point(along with the medical POV provided by /u/studyworkoutsleep above). As you really hit this post out of the park and summed up a few of my feelings on Atheism that I had yet to verbalize/explore enough to reach specific conclusions on so that is much appreciated.
I also "followed" your blog + twitter acct. and look forward to future posts. Anyway, carry on ...
WarsmithOrgruk 9y ago
This comes off more as a description of /r/atheism users more than anything. But I do agree. It is a point often missed, if you are going to distance yourself from religion, having an understanding of the philosophy of morals so that you can keep yourself a decent person is a must.
xiko 9y ago
I had to explain to a past atheist girlfriend that all her values are Christian. That she was raised with the morals of a Christian. And that has value even if she doesn't believe in God.
That is what I explained to my mom as well. I follow the Christian morals and just because I don't believe in hell it doesn't mean I am going to do wrong.
curious97 9y ago
This is so important to realize. Western morals are Christian morals. The Sermon on the Mount is a seminal work of ethics if you want to know where Europeans got their morality. The actual belief in God or divinity of Christ is the least important aspect of Christianity's impact on society.
0ompa 9y ago
Yep, I went through the exact same thing. Told one of my close female friends (athiest) that she's basically just a watered down christian.
RedSpectrum 9y ago
You do not need to be a Christian to have good morals and values.
xiko 9y ago
I agree with that. I was only showing my ex-gf where her values came from. And that they are different from other cultures.
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brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
Immanuel Kant - a Jew - pointed out how a great number of them can come from logic alone.
R4F1 9y ago
Deism was a popular concept, and many of the US' founding fathers and classical liberal thinkers were Deists and Christian Deists. That was until the Left kind of wiped that idea out of the popular consciousness and replaced it with agnosticism and atheism. There's a lot of people with Deist beliefs I've met who had never even heard of the term.
deaduponaviral 9y ago
The Jefferson Bible is a good book to consider here. Jefferson basically took out a sharpie and edited down the original King James version. He kept all the morals and excluded much of the goofy shit and magic. I personally hate the moral grandstanding that both sides take and find it hilarious how even though one of them is "awoken", they are still just as close-minded as their counterparts. I'm just gonna sit on the fence until I die (I can wait to find out). Religion is just a tool like any other. Depending on who and how it's applied it can produce both good and bad results respectively. The golden rule is still the brick and mortar for any self respecting people, yet most people these days can't even respect themselves.
Curlbro87 9y ago
This idea of religion simply for my daughter's sake does interest me, and am now considering this. You give an example of one relgion which cuts out the hocus-pocus. Thanks.
So I am wondering if you have views on the other major religions. I am along the athiest-agnostic spectrum myself, and don't have a clue about religions aside from baby jesus born to a virgin.
So could you, or someone else here jump in, and list other good religions to check out.
I want most definitely the morality aspect for her. Meeting other girls with these traits. Less hocus-pocus. Don't want to be constantly hit up for cash each sunday. Doing some community work once in a while to help others. A religion which keeps up the christmas santa schtick too.
Perhaps the idea of a Sunday school for her too.
I even think taking the wife and daughter Sundays to church would even give chances to meet potential business contacts. So maybe something good out of it for myself.
So anyone feel free to compare and contrast the various religions for me. Catholic, protestant, anglican, jahovocop, etc...
I know fuck all about each one really.
vakerr 9y ago
It delivers civilization building guidelines in the typical communication style of the time when it was written. It should be possible to bring it up to date if Hollywood was interested in building civilization. But it isn't, quite the opposite.
curious97 9y ago
the "goofy shit and magic" is important in order to make the story compelling.
mandemscomin 9y ago
I wouldn't say that's true in the 21st century. If you use movies as an example, nowadays a certain level of authenticity and plausibility is required. It doesn't even need to be necessarily realistic. Take Transformers, for example. It's just about plausible while being completely ridiculous.
Too many people aren't convinced my "goofy shit and magic" anymore, we're all too eager to poke holes in things.
brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
That's good. Things should be held up to rigor and verifiable evidence.
duckspeed 9y ago
Turns out organized religion might have been a massive advantage for group selection. The non-religious tribes vanished.
To paraphrase Dan Dennett: Would you rather go to war with a group of religious fanatics at your side, or with a group of economists who are incredibly good at cost-benefit analysis.
harkrank 9y ago
Non-religious cultures can only grow through breeding while remaining culturally homogenous. Religious cultures grow through breeding and converting. When religion is the primary measurement in who belongs to a community - instead of blood - you can grow the community exponentially faster than a community bonded only by blood. And more people equalled more power and bigger armies.
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
I can see that. The real question is if religious zealousness will still cull out those that aren't.
RedRumRedSunTRP 9y ago
I remember reading about Tennessee students researched atheists and came to the conclusion that there are 6 types of atheists, and the one Illimitable Man describes sounds like an anti-theist. Myself, I fall somewhere between Seeker-agnostic and Ritual atheist, for example.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/15/the-six-types-of-atheists/
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
Thanks. Going to look into this.
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I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
It would take skilled communication to portray it properly.
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I've believed for a while now that all, if not most, religions started as a basis for how to create and sustain a healthy, functioning society. The things that religion views as 'sin' are detrimental to society. As an incentive, or disincentive rather, to behave a certain way, the afterlife myth was created. (Note: I'd consider myself a pantheist and have an unorthodox perspective I've reached on my own. When I say after life I mean the traditional heaven vs hell.)
I do not know if there is or is not an afterlife and neither could those who started religions. The reason that heaven and hell were propagated was to ensure morality and values were being acted upon even if nobody could find out about an individuals "wrong" doing. Because "God" knows everything you do and will ultimately judge you to determine whether you live in nirvana for eternity, or hell for eternity. So, be a good person, help the poor, don't kill, don't covet thy neighbor's wife, don't steal, etc. They're all just guidelines which use fear to influence behavior to result in a stronger society.
I also believe that religion has been corrupted over the years and has been used as a tool to benefit those in power. The true value of religion has been lost as people fail to see the real reason religion exists. I mean, how can you see that there are so many religions and still believe that yours is the right one? It's extremely understandable why people commit to religion (to increase spirituality, a connection with "God", and sense of belonging/importance) it's foolish, however, to believe that yours is the right one.
brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
The Latin religio means "to tie together." It began as a common set of unifying cultural practices but metastatized into a social control method and became tyrannical big governments in the form of theocracies, using manipulative psychological tactics to maintain power. Not for nothing did L. Ron Hubbard say that starting a religion was the quickest way to get rich.
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vakerr 9y ago
It's incredibly optimistic (arrogant?) to think that now we know everything and can correctly determine which parts of the memplex are 'junk DNA' and can be dropped without consequences.
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
Your certainly right. Religion can be easily exploited.
Making a religion based on obtaining a utopia might be possible. Ill probably just stick with the swolefather.
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RedBigMan 9y ago
I actually support this stance on religion. Even if you are not a true believer the fact that many religions have similar moral conduct rules and many wonderful stories to help guide oneself on the journey through life.
Also there are the huge amount of auxiliary benefits of belonging to a close knit community like one that a religious group provides. Including a possible support structure in the event of a catastrophic life event (say house burned down or something).
Churches used to build themselves around communities. These days it seems communities seem to build themselves around churches.
-Tyler_Durden- 9y ago
Religion is important to a society for the same reason Santa Claus is important to children. Most people lack the philosophical reasoning to do the "right" thing just because it is right and will make their life better in the long run.
They need motivation, punishments, and rewards to do the right thing and not succumb to their basal instincts. And since women are perpetual teenagers, they need religion more so to live a good and happy life.
RedBigMan 9y ago
All the more reason to get involved in a religious community.
harkrank 9y ago
An ideology without these common moral conducts (monogamy etc.) doesn't last long enough to grow into a religion.
TakeYourSoma1 9y ago
This is the biggest reason I'd enter a religion. The community aspect of a good congregation is something admirable to say the least. I would just feel wrong professing faith in a higher being to a bunch of people knowing that I'm just putting on a facade.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Law of Power 38 - Think as you like but Behave like others would be applicable here.
curious97 9y ago
if it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure the rate of "true" devotion and unwavering belief was pretty much constant throughout history (i.e. pretty low)
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RedBigMan 9y ago
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Here have a point. This was a good written reply.
I agree that STDs hurt women more than they do men. Likewise I think even men would be better off if we re-established social norms that shun adultery and promiscuousness. The only men who benefit from the current status quo are the PUAs and Alphas who are drowning in pussy. The sad thing is that these Alpha Males do not realize that the alpha males that came before them realized exactly how bad things could get with unchecked female hypergamy. This is why monogamy was mandated in most religions, because it enabled beta males to participate in society rather than dropping out. If all the beta males give up and stop working then the Alpha males being about 20% of the population would have to work 5 times as hard.
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IllimitableMan 9y ago
Excellent post. Gave me something I hadn't previously considered to think about. Thank you for sharing!
the_real_chronos 9y ago
I really like your angle. It's an often missed point of religion and feminism.
lateralus01 9y ago
As far as convincing daughters not to be whores, I'm not quite sure religion is necessary. I'm curious why no one here has mentioned simply explaining the sexual marketplace to their daughters. Why not tell them that the overwhelming majority of men are disgusted by whores and no amount of social conditioning will change that? I don't have children so maybe there's some pitfalls to this approach that I'm not seeing.
On a completely different note, empathy is what keeps me acting in a moral way towards other people. Unfortunately empathy varies from person to person depending on the biology of their brains. It cannot be learned so lying to people about religion may be the only way to keep low-empathy individuals acting in a moral way.
vakerr 9y ago
I bet you've never tried to explain anything to a teenage child of yours. They simply do not believe you. They already know everything better, and when you go against all their peers and the entire cultural brainwash your chances are zero.
goodboy 9y ago
Empathetic people hurt others all the time, because people hurt themselves all the time- both consciously and subconsciously. Vindictiveness and pride are the sins of the empathetic person. Every lover's spat that played out over many years, started from people originally having empathy for someone else and then feeling hurt or betrayed.
Never think empathy cures humans of cruelty. If anything, empathy can make people more cruel when empathy becomes corrupted. Psychopaths don't torment or hurt people with sadistic abuse years after separating. But normal folks do that all the time, chasing others through the courts, prison system, or worse.
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
You'd have to have a unicorn to pull this off. They take queues from their mom.
synadmin 9y ago
I was thinking the same thing. As long as you can back it up with research on pair bonding, successful marriage rates vs sexual partners, and long term happiness among women vs sexual partners. I think TRP forgets sometimes that women can think for themselves if given the opportunity and not too heavily indoctrinated by our feminist society.
Dickish makes a good point too, the mom would have to be on board and also represent the morals your preaching. Shouldn't be an issue since you should not have children with a woman who doesn't.
vakerr 9y ago
Because women (esp teenage ones) are logical and are not fully under the control of their emotions, hormonal fluctuations and herd mentality. Bro, you need to read a bit more TRP...
synadmin 9y ago
yea yea yea, i read plenty of TRP... All im saying is if people can use religion to indoctrinate their children into behaving certain ways, so can non religious people with enough work. Im just talking about psychology here. Everything you mention would make it hard as hell though.... Lots to think about, glad I don't have kids yet.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 9y ago
As the resident muslim guy I'd just like to add :
You could replace "religion" with "philosophical world view and way of life at societal scale". (This way, even the militant atheist zealots wont get their panties all up in a bunch.)
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
Anyone with a severe bias regarding religion isn't worth talking to regarding philosophy or religion. If you can't see any value in a doctrine guiding millions of lives, then any beliefs you have on the matter are worthless and littered with biases.
I just used "you" for the wording. Wasn't targeting you specifically.
If it gets to the point I'm trying to sell a set world view, I'll consider rephrasing "religion."
TheRedThrowAwayPill 9y ago
Understood. You'll have to forgive me - as I'm used to different reactions whenever the r-word is even alluded to.
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harkrank 9y ago
Let me suggest a thought to you: God is these main principles, not a supernatural creature. Past generations would collect these in the unified concept of God as people weren't accustomed of speaking about abstractions and could more relate and understand ideas if attributed to a being and a will.
Sippin_that_Haterade 9y ago
Humanism is very similar to what he is getting at, it advocates basically the judeo-Christian morality without getting any god talk involved. Deism is also close, it again stresses morality, though it does claim the existence of a god, but less in a "go to church and believe dogma" sort of way that much of Christianity goes for.
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the_real_chronos 9y ago
They aren't and it is a socially poisoned movement that leans towards the left of the political spectrum.
petricakerempuh 9y ago
Necessity for what? To build a civilization where every man would get one woman, and vice versa. Where you need to toil away for your entire life for the wife and kids, otherwise you're considered a worthless social parasite that deserves to be ostracized. Religion was created to maximize benefits not for the average man, but for the elites who get the maximum productivity out of enslaved betas, who in such arrangement create more wealth for them to skim. Even if your average man is happier in his ignorance (due to him never being exposed to the realities of the unbridled female nature) - are the chains really worth it? I'd rather have my own choice than to be born into "happy servitude". Religion is gone, the days of Marriage 1.0 are never coming back. You guys are nuts for even suggesting it. Even the most fundamentalist Islamic societies are succumbing to the pressure and are slowly and irreversibly giving women more freedoms. It's pure evolutionary forces at work, the process cannot be stopped. And the evolutionary imperative is to enable women absolute freedom to choose the fittest male, and to socialize the consequence of their choices.
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
Necessary for preservation of society. In a society without social standards, everyone gets shit on. You can easily see it in the current society.
Men get shit on because of hypergamy and divorce rape.
Women get shit on by alphas capable of seduction.
Kids get shit on by lacking sufficient parental figures.
Go enjoy your anarchy and create your own hell to burn in.
petricakerempuh 9y ago
Society will survive, like it did before. The marriage arrangement is a relatively recent cultural phenomenon in the history of our species. Many indigenous societies don't haven't. It was created to enslave most men. That's the fact whether you like it or not. I prefer freedom.
Men get shit on because other men enable them. Women have no power on their own. It's all betas' fault. Betas give women their power. They enforce and vote laws, they shit on you for being independent and "selfish". As such, they are the anomaly that needs to be eliminated. They will either embrace the red pill and realize their masculine potential, or they get will get to be despised by women, cuckolded or divorce-raped. They deserved to be crushed and not helped by rewriting the social fabric. It's father's fault that his daugher is a slut, and his son a mangina.
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
The marriage arrangement has been around for thousands of years, and with it practically every advancement in technology has arisen. We did survive before it, and I can only guess how much of a cesspool society was. Marriage now enslaves men, but was originally designed to control the hypergamous nature of women.
Beta bux are a subclass of men, so men get shit on. 80% of men, if I'm citing a commonly cited percentage. With traditional religious teachings, all these BB could get some pussy.
You are just too biased against religion to ever talk into a reasonable stance regarding it.
petricakerempuh 9y ago
Technological advancements were created by less then 5% of men, many of which never even married (Tesla, da Vinci, Archimedes...). Average Joe was necessary as a cannon fodder for the war that the elites engaged in, and as a source of tax revenue. Marriage is a system of control, like religion. Women were just as bad in Marriage 1.0, and just because it obviously didn't surface it doesn't mean that it wasn't a raw deal for men. Most men even today don't question wider issues in the society and work their lives like robots. They need to wake the fuck up. Either they wake up or they're getting deleted out of the gene pool. There is no return to "good old days".
And today 80% of men can't get pussy? Give me a break. Start improving your physique, finances and acquiring status symbols, and soon you'll be drowning in pussy. It's just a matter of determination. Beside, with all that porn available who cares about pussy today anyway. It's not a relevant factor anymore. We're not starved for pussies anymore.
ProductivityMonster 9y ago
curious as to how marriage 1.0 was a raw deal for men? I imagine it wasn't easy trying to support a woman and children on a single salary (although it was certainly easier back then than it is now), but it did have a decent tradeoff of a more faithful woman who cooked, cleaned, fucked, gave into the man's dominance, etc.
I-Am-Dickish 9y ago
Marriage still played a role. They had a consistent environment growing up. You don't really get that in today's society.
abutterfly 9y ago
You're not alone. I've considered myself staunchly agnostic for 10 years now, and since discovering TRP have realized that my views are very similar to the ones expressed above.
EGOtyst 9y ago
Simple question: do you have a daughter?
tylerdurden100 9y ago
Jesus Christ bananas this is an outstanding piece of writing. It alludes to how I've been feeling recently. For a long period of time I thought I had swallowed the pill, I was running around fucking people over, wrecking sloots, hitting the gym, laughing at 21st century attention whores and slathering myself in all the filthy glory of a former beta that had found a new lease of life. It was all very beautiful in a sick perverted kind of way. I'm not happy with it though. Society is fucked. Being a vapid cum vessel is the only way a woman can be socially popular. Social popularity is the only thing important to women. It's like a snake eating it's tail.
It abhorrs me, I'm taking a step back from all of this, moving away from devoting myself to improving my SMV. Fuck SMV, I'm gonna start working on my Real Market Value. Study, work etc improving myself for ME. Some how I missed out on this fundamental tenet of TRP.
Gotmilkyy 9y ago
When I first found TRP back at the beginning of August I did what you did. I went after as many girls as possible, was an unreasonable asshole to everyone around me, and had a lot of False Confidence (term from "Models" that I just started reading). I slowly started to realize that being the opposite of an extreme Nice Guy is still an extreme, and not good.
Models by Mark Manson explains a lot of the ideas you are talking about. Definitely required reading. It talks about, basically what you said in your last paragraph, improving yourself, making yourself the prize, and not putting up with manipulative shit-testing women. Which means a lot of introspection, self-evaluation, and removal of the negative people in your life. You can't control them, you can only control yourself. Therefore, I just try to lead by example and hopefully they will come around.
Yeah it's a lonely and hard path but who said it was going to be easy?
ROIVeritas 9y ago
So paradoxically pervasive, yet proven. People seem to feel like if its unspoken it will somehow keep the cover from being blown off these topics.
The look of either shock on the faces of those surprised someone that has the balls to talk about it, or the look of regretful admission on the part of the women and men who realize the validity of our position, when they know we are staunchly opposed, and they are wholeheartedly accepting defeat for selling out.
Mysteriouspaul 9y ago
I feel the same way basically. I swallowed the pill and started banging my way through the hoard of sluts that is Western Society and realized after a while that I still feel empty. I've been willing to try holding down a relationship for an extended period of time but there's always something way too wrong about whatever woman I'm dating: no personality, high partner count, mental problems (I can understand if they had a truly traumatic occurrence in their life but come on just because your dad didn't buy you those Ugg boots when you were 13 doesn't mean you were abused), and a slew of other nasty traits. Maybe monk mode is the next thing I try
terpnasty 9y ago
I'm in the same boat. My top plate is a high-quality woman, and I want to take the plunge and LTR her, but I have too many misgivings about her past and it will probably be a deal breaker. It's hard to find the right girl even if you're actively looking.
tickle-me-azathoth 9y ago
What do you lose from giving her a shot? Worst case you end up having to dump someone you've been planning to drop anyway.
WAFC 9y ago
Depends on how far into the "shot" she gets before failing. If she fucks up with a quickness then you're fine. If it takes ten years for her hypergamy to rear its head, not so much.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
All this dump me dump you, play you play me first stuff is deadening both sexes even more, and neither truly needed help in that department.
redpillschool Admin 9y ago
This is one of those fundamental truths that women and the sjw crowd will do their best to deny. And if you listen to their argument it's pretty convincing. We're all the same afterall. What nonsense it is to consider that sex would affect women differently than men.
But then you witness it, and you realize the truth. There's a glimmer in women's eyes that they lose, there's real truth to that element women lose.
galvanised_computer 9y ago
I prefer the studies that show men have around 6x as much grey matter vs women and women have 9x as much white matter vs men.
j-coordinate 9y ago
So were women biologically built for LTRs or fucking around? Its seems like women can only bond for about 3 years give or take,then acquire the next alpha seed.but then this in turn impairs their ability to bond and sustain a relationship for happiness and to raise a child.women are fucked either way,maybe that's why they're not happy? Enlighten me guys
AlphaAccountant 9y ago
Much like heroin addicts, chasing the dragon.
JillyPolla 9y ago
I believe this is the reason why some men practice /r/nofap, to prevent desensitization and therefore a lack of personal drive.
brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
There are many good reasons, but that's certainly one of them.
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aguy01 9y ago
Testosterone suppresses oxytocin. It is a quantifiable reality that women become more attached by sex. If a girl gives away her sex easily it is because she has stopped producing significant amounts of oxytocin; it doesn't hurt her knowing that she may be getting pumped and dumped. An easy woman is chemically not capable of a successful relationship due to this inability to produce the requisite chemicals that create a strong bond.
drrtyfrrnr 9y ago
This is the truth. I know a girl who is a complete Tinder slut and can get picked up by pretty much any guy with a modicum of alpha, and she recently got in a relationship.
Guess what, 2 months later she's talking about how a friend of hers was talking about an adventure with 2 guys she met in a nightclub and how she misses that.
Once a slut, always a slut.
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Can I get a source on that?
aguy01 9y ago
Honestly I can't find the specific study, but it is said all the time in psychology articles and books that testosterone suppresses oxytocin, and estrogen enhances it. Men with higher testosterone have also been shown to cheat more in relationships, presumably in part because there is less oxytocin bonding him to his partners. I also remember reading the oxytocin production diminishes the more it is produced, even with pets and children. The first pet and first child cause the mother to release more oxytocin than the other children, same with relationships.
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Entrefut 9y ago
Shit man, that's a rough paragraph to read over and over. I had a plate for a couple months that was a high end prostitute when she was 18-20. Two years later, she still couldn't have emotional connections to ANYONE including friends, relatives, men, family, w/e. I never really talked about it that much with her, but you could tell, she just seemed like an empty shell. At the time, I hadn't been reading TRP, but I knew something was off. Women like that have to turn to alternative ways of getting the same high that everyone else gets off having good sex. Drugs, alcohol, expensive travel and by consequence more sex. It's almost sad.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Is that cause or effect though.... what was she like BEFORE the whoring? If she doesn't have emotional connections even with her family, my guess is she wasn't in great shape before the (well paid) CC
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-Tyler_Durden- 9y ago
This is where the expression: "You can't turn a ho into a housewife." comes from.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
"Well one thing I can say for Marla, at least she's trying to hit bottom."-- Yourself
projectself 9y ago
That look is called the "thousand cock stare"
suloco 9y ago
You had me spouting OJ there, well done, sir!
MildlyFunnyUsername 9y ago
thats the best laugh ive had on trp for a while bravo
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Here's some thousand cock stares:
https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ga13.jpg?w=500
http://www.bosschicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kim-kardashian-416x600.jpg
Mightyskunk 9y ago
I had no idea this existed. I always just saw those kind of eyes and went the other direction. I called them dead fish eyes. I missed out on a lot of sex because I hated those eyes.
HV123 9y ago
There's a nice little gem in there in the comment:
Please bring reference and last three pay slips........
houseQM 9y ago
Kim K. Is a fembot. She doesn't count
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ROIVeritas 9y ago
The first link is literally 90% of the women I've seen in the last few years at work, the gym, etc. They just put on hipster glasses to hide the lackluster in their eyes and to seem ahem, "sophisticated".
The ones without makeup have given up trying not to look cock crosseyed, the ones who wear the makeup think mascara hides it better.
Especially when guys are like what's with the duck face in every pic?
Most can't help it, they slobbed so many johns that their lips are permanently just like that, just less exaggerated when relaxed.
Women like them end up with a face that has a strong masculine brow, a boxers jaw from too many "punches" to the dome, and big poofy lips, that albeit attractive and feminine, have tasted as much meat as a carnivore.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Haha this made me laugh. Great imagery.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Thanks, my pals and I would joke about this all the time. Women can't hide that look anymore than a smoker can hide the odor. Thousand cock stare all right, its gone from full metal jacket, to full whorish racket.
Except the ladies aren't wearing helmets with peace signs on their heads, now some of them are just "born to kill"
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loveofnotes 9y ago
Please clear this up for me: men don't bond through sex? Doesn't pair bonding through sex have an effect on both genders?
ROIVeritas 9y ago
We MEN are bound TO sex. We can bond to a woman who's great in bed sure, or if it's a guy's only option sure.
But to quote Peter Boyle in everybody loves raymond:
"Man was programmed to sow his seed where he may, woman was programmed to limit the crop to one farmer. This broad didn't get with the program!"
trpSenator 9y ago
Everyone is on a continuum... Women generally happen to be deeper into the pair bonding through sex spectrum. Not to say men aren't, just that women are more so.
You ever read that study that showed it takes 3 times at sex for a female to create a chemical bond with that partner? It doesn't happen as easily with men, probably because inherently we are promiscuous.
RedBigMan 9y ago
I would suggest that it is because primitive man's life was rough, brutal and short and the number of opportunities for procreation were few and far between so he had to be prepared at a moments notice to drill pussy and bust a nut if he was going to leave his little bit of immortality behind.
So pair bonding for a man is generally negative for procreative purposes. Sure men do get attached to women they fuck repeatedly which is why Marriage 1.0 was such a good deal for men and women alike.
Anyways I read a study somewhere that men when they are in a monogamous relationship and not cheating their bodies actually conserve energy and they don't produce nearly as much sperm or ejaculate as much. When a man is banging a new sex partner his balls go into overdrive and he creates more sperm and cums more... Now if you have a bunch of plates like TRP dudes typically do then it sort of tricks your body into thinking every girl is a new girl as long as you keep rotating which ones you are banging at any given time.
Newdist2 9y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect
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Kill_Your_Ego 9y ago
One known reason for pair bonding to occur is oxytocin dumps that occur after sex. Testosterone impairs oxytocin. I'm not as versed in the effects of dopamine or how dopamine relates to pair bonding. Testosterone appears to lessen the effects of oxytocin on the OXTR receptors hence multiple sex partners won't risk as much damage to the receptors, and damage pair bonding ability in men, due to the massive amounts of test.
NoRegretj 9y ago
You could wreak havoc on college campuses by saying this in a class debate.
Thewinsomeserpent 9y ago
Of course, thats why its said here, in TRP.
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ilirm 9y ago
Dopamine inhibits prolactin and may indirectly inhibit oxytocin, due to the prolactin inhibition. Prolactin makes milk, oxytocin expells it from the breast.
The effects of testosterone on oxytocin, however, have not been studied on humans, only lab rats. From the Bulgarian Study in 1987.
Kirilov G, Lang RE, Kraft K, Ganten D. The effects of orchidectomy and testosterone replacement therapy on plasma and brain oxytocin in normal rats. Acta Physiologica et Pharmacologica Bulgarica. 1987;13:30–34.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3673599
Also how does testosterone lessen the effects of oxytocin on its receptor? is it a competitive antagonist? or Partial Agonist. I don't understand what you are saying here, you have to be very clear when you make these claims. You'll have to quote some pubmed info my way, cause i just don't see it. Unless Testosterone is causing auto-immune destruction of OXTR receptors, i just don't see how what you are saying is even remotely possible.
I did however find a link between CCK release and Oxytocin here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC529435/
Basic summary of that article is fat people have more oxytocin. So if you want your wife to love you, better feed her lipid heavy diet.
Kill_Your_Ego 9y ago
My degrees are in philosophy and economics. I'm absolutely willing to admit that I'm parroting what I've read online. Sounds like you have a deep knowledge of this. I would very much appreciate you researching this and posting for our benefit. I have very little knowledge beyond my degrees. I do know how to read studies but you clearly have knowledge far beyond mine.
I hope you write a full post on what you know. I would very much like to read it.
ilirm 9y ago
I will have to look into some journals to find the information, since this stuff is not exactly textbook material. Endocrinology is an emerging field and we still do not really understand anything beyond the basic relationships between hormones, but if i can find some human studies on pubmed, i will let you know and do a full post. I'm not an endocrinologist, so im not qualified to do the studies myself, but i can certainly interpret the results. My degrees are in Biology and Medicine so this is right up my alley.
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Just some stuff i found out in 10 minutes of searching pubmed.
Testosterone and Oxytocin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24086383 “Mothers of autistic children have lower plasma levels of Oxytocin and Vasopressin and higher levels of testosterone.” Results: “Significantly lower plasma concentrations of OXT (p<0.001) and AVP (p<0.001), as well as a higher level of plasma testosterone (p<0.05), were found in mothers of autistic children vs. those of control. The children's autistic behavior scores were negatively associated with maternal plasma levels of OXT and AVP.”
These results suggest that dysregulation of OXT, AVP and/or testosterone systems exist in mothers of autistic children, which may impact children's susceptibility to autism. High testosterone mothers have lower levels of Oxytocin, may be worse mothers, if we can link it with the study below, and their children are more susceptible to autism as a result.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24252717 “Oxytocin administration, salivary testosterone, and father-infant social behavior”
Results indicate that lower baseline T correlated with more optimal father and infant's behaviors. OT administration altered T production in fathers, relative to the pattern of T in the placebo condition. Finally, OT-induced change in T levels correlated with parent-child social behaviors, including positive affect, social gaze, touch, and vocal synchrony. Findings support the view that neuroendocrine systems in human males evolved to support committed parenting and are the first to describe the dynamic interactions between OT and T within a bio-behavioral synchrony model.
Low T – High OXT fathers are better fathers, it seems.
El_Serpiente_Roja 9y ago
also why high-t chicks are usually sluts/nymphos to some extent
ROIVeritas 9y ago
This is nearly always the case. They have far too many options to not have sex on their mind 24 / 7.
Some guys give up on sex altogether. Women NEVER do that. They are erotic by design, to forefeit / forgo sex is to deny the basic tenet of their nature in relation to man.
Also high test slut women, never smile, and when they do they look awkward, fake, and disingenuous. Some of them truly do look "better" with their thousand cock stare gazing into, but not through, the matrix.
evergonitenitenigga 9y ago
this is why most of the time, we men just like to be left alone after cumming. gf, wife or plate it doesn't matter.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Post coitus?
Sportscenter, the game, maybe a cigarette, bounce or pass out.
Had a girl ask after several sessions with her, even when I was a rookie to all this in HS, and she goes "Why do you guys always fall asleep after sex?"
To which I replied: " Because it's HARD work! You just lie there to look pretty and take it."
Entrefut 9y ago
This is exactly the type of shit I want to see more of on here. Any sources?
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Agreed. More thousand cock stare links also, so the young guys on here can know what theyre looking for when building game, and or confidence. Plus it's a hearty laugh.
You can hardly be played by women like this, if you know what to look out for. She plays all day.
Anyone ever wonder, or draw the correlation between women and their love of fashion accesory sized, accessorized dogs? They plop them right in their purse,or a doggy stroller / carrier. You won't see a man coddling those things around. People look and act like their pets, never forget it.
Entrefut 9y ago
The thousand cock stares are fucking priceless. Can't wait to get a dog after college, that loyalty is to die for.
Newdist2 9y ago
Serious question, could slutty women prevent this effect by not cumming?
Not that it's usually up to the woman whether she cums or not, but maybe a technical virgin who sucked 100 cocks but never let a man touch her pussy could still pair bond?
Kill_Your_Ego 9y ago
I dunno. It would be interesting to see a full on study of this directly. I also know that there are at least two genetics companies trying to find ways to repair OXTR receptors. Not to restore the ability to pair bond, and who knows what other effects are going on in the brain, but for other reasons. Still imagine one day you can slut around like crazy and then before you get married pay for gene therapy to repair your damaged brain.
Entrefut 9y ago
Sounds like less money in Psychiatrist's and Pharma companies pockets and more in mine.
-Tyler_Durden- 9y ago
I wonder if this is the reason that low T, effeminate men get oneitis more often.
cntthnko1 9y ago
Low t builds over time through lack of validation and hence leading to being even more desperate to settle for basically any hole. Oneitis is a symptom of desperation and hence plate spinning being the cure. Of course, this is usually just rationalization (ego defense or buffer), which is a waste of time... Mostly.
There is no real need to consciously re-live that part of ourselves because we already know, intuitively, what the problem is. Instead of rationalizing, just recognize what your desires are, how can you make them happen, and follow through (which should lead you to plate theory if finding a decent girl to be with is the goal).
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cntthnko1 9y ago
Why not? How does low t occur? Mental problems dont cause physical problems? Only physical problems can cause/effect mental problems?
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dclozr 9y ago
It's 100 percent true when I had low t I was much more willing to fall for a dumb bitch.
epUser 9y ago
What do you did to raise you testosterone and how do you measure it?
dclozr 9y ago
I did these things and continue to do these things to raise testosterone...nofap(I only cum with my gf), gym heavy weight lifting, a fat and protein rich diet, and getting plenty of sleep.
rorrr 9y ago
But how many men truly want a "lasting monogamy"?
harkrank 9y ago
Without a family nobody cares about you when you're old. You might still be able to hook up with women, but I don't think anything can replace the bond between a father and his children. A bond that is hard to form if you aren't in a healthy relationship with the mother.
But things are changing and with the internet a man can have meaningful social interaction with other men in places like this. Like it or not, usually it is women who are the social glue that enables men to have social interactions without a task at hand. Although it seems to be changing since it is the new norm for a man to not have a relationship.
rorrr 9y ago
And what does having children have to do with "lasting monogamy"?
Your children won't love you or something?
harkrank 9y ago
I'm saying it's more difficult if the parents are separated. And if you're separated you have to pay a caretaker or in worst case let the government raise your kids to be drones through kindergarten and school.
But still separated are better than a marriage lead by the woman.
juicy_truth 9y ago
Lasting monogamy is kinda awesome. I am 8 years in with a naturally RPW, and I can assure you, this is a great life.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Looking for the same. You struck gold my man. Question, what are some of the tell tale signs of a woman of this rare calibur?
juicy_truth 9y ago
Bonus: She took my last name. She volunteered to put her career on hold when we had our kid, despite being the breadwinner.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
I'm happy for you man. Thanks for the insight. I currently can count on one hand the women I know who meet these criteria. I'll definitely be on the lookout for the no shit test one, as its the most important.
I have a girl who is trying to get me a job through her line of work, but I am slightly wary of accepting help from one of these girls. I feel like she will expect something in return, and or, lord it over me and any of our mutual contacts.
Great post. Saved.
mrp3anut 9y ago
I would say a lot do.
If we can pretend for a minute that all the marriage 2.0 be didn't exist and that you could be reasonably sure the marriage would last etc.
Long term monogamy is good for peoples' spirit in the same way working out is good for you body. I don't really enjoy running, lifting, eating right etc however I do them because they result in a much happier life overall than being lazy and eating cheetos. The same can be said with monogamy. It requires a dedicated partner which is why it is broken in the modern world but if the culture wasn't fucked how many guys would really turn down the idea of coming home everyday to a clean house, home cooked meals, and a woman that wanted to fuck his brains out everyday? On top of that he can build a meaningful connection to a woman and fill that desire of being a protector/provider etc.
1independentmale 9y ago
Damn right. I'd love to marry my girl but the entire fucking deck is stacked against me. What we need is a wedding and legal separation on the same day. Then you can't take each other's shit when things go south.
People let themselves go when they get married, too. Men and women alike. I don't want to be stuck with someone who has decided she no longer gives a shit about her body. I'll stick it out for awhile, love on her, hit the gym with her, cook healthy meals together and so on but if she's just going to sit on her expanding ass and eat ice cream all day I'm out. I refuse to sign any contract that penalizes me half my net worth for exercising this perfectly reasonable position.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Daytime talk shows cater to just this demographic. WHo watches all that prime time tv? All that garbage? Basketball wives, all my children, endless soap operas of whoredom celebration, scandal? Moms watch this decrepit nonsense with their kids.
brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
Factor in the growing number of strident, man-hating feminists whose material needs are met by the government (or spineless betas on Patreon) who can afford to make a full-time job out of turning women against men - it's a pretty lousy prospect all around.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Theyre basically telling men, get in line, bow, or be homeless in the land you built.
Entrefut 9y ago
Fortunately I'm a guy and I really don't have to look for lasting monogamy for a LONG time, I just have to practice it.
If I stay in amazing shape, eat right, push my career and keep all my shit together (mainly not get married) I could start something with a girl in her early 20s when I'm 35 and have a woman who not only stays beautiful throughout my prime, but also has relatively low partner counts, is very fertile and overall has a lot to learn from me leading a monogamous relationship and give her guidance in a world that otherwise is going to tell her she's making a dumb choice.
Then when she hits her 30s, she can watch as all the women who told her it was a mistake crumble in the test of time. That's the fucking dream, because after that truth hits women, their views on their life up to that point change drastically. And if I go solo til 35, no kids, no serious commitments, I'm excited as hell to see where i'm at with my current plan.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
This is how the ancient kings of the past did it. It'll do for TRP.
Entrefut 9y ago
Do it for yourself man. Fuck TRP, it's just a successful philosophy that was buried by 100 years of feminism.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Well said. Getting lots of women quite eaily has now made me a target though, of my BP pals. They can't stand me anymore. And it wasn't me who changed. I just read more, lifted more, and became what I was already becoming.
Sometimes you have to cut people lose, when their interests conflict with yours. It's not personal, it's just business.
Entrefut 9y ago
Honestly man, fuck friends. You want rivals. You don't want people that tell you, "Oh yeah man you're good just the way you are."
You want a personal Gary from pokemon that shits all over you time and time again until you're forced to become a poon master. I recently detached from every single one of my friends, there's nothing wrong with going solo for awhile. Now I'm looking for people to push me in the direction I want to be pushed. Enemies are more beneficial to your personal developement than friends. Competition drives all improvement, even in women. You want to be the most interesting motherfucker there is, if you're friends aren't on the same page, they're holding you back. Encourage your buddies to beat you, if they pussy out, you've seen their true colors.
Believe me, the second you start taking something seriously and competeing, you'll find the best type of companionship this world has to offer. Compete at work, at home, at school, at the bars. Life is a game, women are a game and the more you push yourself and practice, the better you will become.
mrp3anut 9y ago
I completely agree with that plan. No reason risking everything until you need to however I would add the caveat of being on the lookout for RPW type girls in the meantime. Passing up a girl when you are 20 is probably sound risk managent but passing at 29 just for a few more years of freedom is not so sound
Entrefut 9y ago
Always depends on the opportunity cost.
mrp3anut 9y ago
The key is realizing what opportunity each year of bachelorhood is really worth.
Entrefut 9y ago
The key is realizing your 20-35 range is your time to be a fucking beast and rip the corporate world a new one. Can you really be that man when you have an entire family of collateral? Why do you think being married and having a family is such a large requirement for being the president? An unchained, no collateral man is far too dangerous.
The 48 laws of power has a section about timing and the man who was a master of timing through the French Revolution couldn't even have lasted a single month if he'd had a family. A man without chains is unstopable.
mrp3anut 9y ago
I don't believe you can frame a family as chains in every sense. Just as a bad woman in your life can drag you down if you let her a good one can lift you up in a sense. Thinking that you are this one man domination machine is great for breaking out of the BP mindset but at some point you do need to realize that no matter how much you lift and study the 48 laws you will never be president or probably even a CEO unless you start your own business and get a little lucky.
Just as the feminists have successfully convinced women that they can be super career woman, the worlds best mom, be awesome in every way etc much of the TRP mantra is becoming the same. Men do not have the same biological clock, nor do we need women as much as they need us but this does not mean we have no bio clock or that we don't need women at all.
Believing that you can wait until 30-40 for marriage is not unreasonable as a man but to think that you could drop the plate spinning game at any moment and just go pick out a good 18-20yo chaste woman with an RPW mindset is a tad foolish and sounds strikingly familiar to the trash feminists are feeding women. While not flawed for the same reasons the basic premise of that thought doesn't pass the litmus test of reality.
RU_Crazy 9y ago
That's the dream and I've thought about doing something similar myself. One of my concerns though is that with the progressive frame taking over just what kind of views about marriage and life will those 20-somethings have 10 years from now? It may even be more wonky by then.
F9R 9y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if this progressive feminist nonsense dies down a bit over the next decade. Third wave feminism has pushed the pendulum too far, past the point of denying objective reality, and sooner or later the average person has got to come to their senses. Just look at the popularity of TRP in recent months.
RU_Crazy 9y ago
I hope you're right but I wouldn't be so sure. Seems we're witnessing (or already have witnessed) a systematic destruction of all male authority figures in society. The generation of kids growing up today are going to be the first that came up exclusively in this new world order. I think its going to get much worse before it swings back.
TRP has less than 100k subscribers; TXC has almost 2M and is now a default sub.
F9R 9y ago
Good points. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
WAFC 9y ago
More troubling to me is that our culture doesn't value critical thought over obedience nor the truth over pretty lies. I'm afraid that will keep the feminist propaganda machine alive long past its expiration date.
RU_Crazy 9y ago
Absolutely. Thoughtful discussion has been re-branded as needless argument. We're too busy liking each others pictures on Instagram to think about any big topics.
NoRegretj 9y ago
This is so unbelievably spot on its incredible. This is the type of shit that needs to be on these mainstream news articles all over social media, not that anyone would believe it though. On the part pertaining to fathering your daughter and how seemingly difficult it is, my father is a strict conservative parent who errs on the side of beta due to a disastrous custody divorce rape, but that's another story.
For now he's a single parent of an 18 y/o and 15y/o daughter along with me(20 male) whom he basically cannot trust alone for five minutes. While it can be overbearing to both of them at times and they have already started rebelling in such a way that bothers us both, he can't win because if she has friends they're trash and sluts not even just sluts since we are from a small low income town in and now both are socially unaccepted because they weren't allowed to hang with the pack and don't have many friends aside from losers. One dated the most beta of the beta I have ever seen and genuinely "loved" him for 6 months. Neither of necessarily know exactly how to handle it since he's a single parent who works 6 days a week and I'm at college/at work/at gym as well. There's nothing positive in America that is helping girls become desirable for anything more than a fling.
On the note of capitalism essentially selling them a quick fix, whether it be beauty or sex appeal is also very well put. It's quite obvious the big business support this feminist liberal movement because it allows them to maximize profit to the absolute max. Morals completely out the window.
As it relates to myself personally, I'm in an engineering major at a small mostly male school, and completely surrounded by men who for the most part, are largely checked out to society who quite honestly do not care about essentially ANYTHING besides their coursework or what happened last night on their favorite video game. I work for a company on an internship with one of these guys, and essentially he cannot even hold a conversation about ANYTHING other than work or school related topics.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I know the type. They usually have next to fuck all social skills. They don't have much of a life. So Call of Duty and studies is pretty much the limit of their conversational ability. It's sad.
PM_Me_For_Drugs 9y ago
That's what happens when you make society largely inhospitable to the men who won't willingly be subjugated - The weak, the overspecialized, the opinionless are given a cozy dog bed to sleep on. Men who won't lie down at their masters' feet are left out in the cold, trod on, vilified.
Don't get me wrong, women will still fuck that second group of dudes out of instinct... In the long run though, they'll go for a BP they can control and browbeat and shake down for $$$.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Holy friggin crap. This made the sun shine through the dense fog.
PM_Me_For_Drugs 9y ago
We forget that we're essentially pack animals; our social hierarchy is far more primitive than any of us would like to admit.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
I do admit most people are afraid to stray from comfort of the herd, but the few who do strike out, find it free. I been living a life of solitude for some time, just to see what it would be like. When I was in the herd, I got nothing. Now I left the herd and I'm learning a bit of everything. And this was about for the last 4-5 years. It's incredible how right Einstein was.
"We cannot solve a problem in the same mindet we were in when the problem was created."
So I checked out for awhile, much to the dismay of family, friends, gfs, etc. They constantly try to pull me back, when you take the red pill, people who look up to you will still try to follow, but they aren't resolved enough. They lack the courage of true convictions. You're no fun to others if you can't be tricked. You're of no use to others if you can't be used.
RP theories began flying into my head so fast all I could do was laugh. I was too immediately overwhelmed to be angry. I was more angry with myself than anything, for not grasping it fully early on in my years of self betterment.
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ROIVeritas 9y ago
And if you lose at a game where you don't have the manual, it's not only no fun.. it's not your fault.
PM_Me_For_Drugs 9y ago
Hey, much appreciated.
I'm slowly gaining a much healthier outlook now. I can own the fact that I went into things with the wrong expectations, and from there all I can do play by rules that benefit me in the future.
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TheThingsIThink 9y ago
Does boring people with your work out plans count? Or bitching about the wife?
IllimitableMan 9y ago
You have to calibrate the topic of discussion to mutual interests. If the other dude lifts or is married, he will probably find those topics interesting because he can relate to them. If you are glib with intellectuals, they will not enjoy your company. If you are intellectual with non-intellectuals, they will not enjoy your company. It's all about calibration. Discover any common threads and use them to find more. If the person doesn't want you to try and bridge a connection in this manner, ignore/next them.
santino314 9y ago
One more perk of never getting married: since I won't have any children I will never have to see my darling girl fall from grace and turning into a "modern woman" aka a free of charge whore.
elderscrollsrichard 9y ago
Unrelated to this thread (but part of the improvement drive this place brings out in me), could you give me some advice regarding writing?
I really admire the way you put together and explain complex ideas. I consider myself a very well read person, but my social circle doesn't let me use my vocabulary since everyone I spend time with right now, either lacks the knowledge to discuss, or just doesn't want to spend time talking about things that don't pertain to our day to day struggle.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Thanks. Normally adhering to Machiavellian rules I'd act like it's no big deal and that I just shit great ideas and eloquence out of my ass, but seeing as I want to help you I'll drop the veil. It takes a lot of hard fucking work, dedication, practice, editing, passion and more editing. Of course I did have some raw talent, but that talent has to be refined. Just like oil doesn't get out of the ground and into your car by itself, a natural linguist doesn't become a great writer without putting pen to pad or finger to key.
Strange, because you said:
A lot of what I say expounds upon what I have read in books. You should not plagiarise if you want to build up a reputation as a writer, but if you can develop ideas further, refine them or reinterpret them to fit different perspectives etc then it essentially becomes unique enough to be your work. Part of a writer's job is to be a good thinker and to be able to think in many different ways. Sometimes I actually debate people on TRP from viewpoints I don't agree with. Not only does that make it harder for people to work me out/discern the person behind the keyboard, but it helps keep my mind on point for brainstorming ideas. Whenever I get a good idea pop into my head I write it down before it's gone. I try to add as much detail as possible so when I come to pick it up later I don't look at it and think "WTF was I thinking? This makes no sense."
I don't plan what I write if I'm not basing it on something I've read. I'm an impulsive type. I find as I write, I start with only a few points. Then as I refine those points and more nuance creeps in synoptically introducing more points, which leads to more points etc. Eventually I have enough points to make a full essay/concept/framework and struggle to wrap it all up within a reasonable word limit. A case in point where using the work of others to give you a creative kick in the ass is this article for example: http://illimitablemen.com/2013/12/10/law-01-never-outshine-the-master-exemplified-and-explained/
It uses the 48 laws of power book as a springboard for analysis and was my basis for brainstorming the ideas and methodologies both similar to and absent from the book. Of course it helped I had life experiences to draw from in relation to the topic I was talking about too. That article goes further than the book it is based upon does by refining points and exploring aspects of the article's premise which the book did not. That book and it's writer were the influence for that text, it would have been more difficult for me to come up with that without them. They serve their utility, but ultimately it's a predecessor text which inspired my work. If I chose to sell that piece would it be plagiarism? No. It is unique enough and different enough from the piece that influenced it to be deemed original. Now if you copy and paste and just change words around, there's a strong case for plagiarism to be made. When you come up with fresh ideas/methodologies/angles, there isn't.
Write a lot. Practice makes perfect (OK it won't make you perfect, but it'll get you nearer to perfect.) If you check out my early posts (like articles 1-20 on http://illimitablemen.com/archives) the prose sucks compared to what I produce now. The ideas are solid but the delivery is subpar. I am having to retroactively go through and edit them now, but balancing that with real life commitments and posting new content is taxing on my free time. Also, be descriptive, use alliteration to help flow, be dramatic (but don't lie) in titles, try not to use too many adverbial's (a personal pitfall.) Don't sweat being verbose (I used to get a lot of hate for it) but don't be so superfluous you end up with tautologies (then you just look stupid and try hard.)
Writing is a craft/art like any other. You will get better as you keep doing it. And assholes on the internet will put you down and show no respect for your efforts because of how you presented an idea in paragraph 3 or whatever. The internet really provokes perfectionists, pedants and autists to come out of the woodwork and have a good crack. Sometimes these assholes don't tell you how to improve what you did. Sometimes they do. When they do, check language rules on Google and if they're right, thank them. Remember a writer never becomes bigger than what he writes - the writings create the reputation and they are what is appreciated, the writer himself is just a conduit for artistic expression. Basically, don't get too big for your boots. People don't like writers who think they're better than their readers and make that obvious. Even if it's factually true, nobody likes a snob. People tend not to read people they don't like in the absence of a revolutionary idea or methodology being explored. Of course not everything you write is going to be a magnum opus.
Also, use http://hemingwayapp.com - great little editor.
I'm sure there's more, but that's about all I can think of right now. Take care.
Edit: extend your vocabulary by noting down words you haven't seen before and internalising their meaning. Then use them in your own work. When people don't know wtf a single word was but understand the context, they'll Google the word. That way you passively force people to become more literate. It's what I do. My way of reversing the trend in the degeneracy of language usage. Machiavellian to the end. Muehueheuehue. As a side note: it's also good at weeding out the lazy retards. When they see a bunch of "big words" they'll nope the fuck out, then you don't have to moderate their irrational but obnoxious spam comments. Win-win! "Smart sounding words" or "big words" as they like to call 'em are like kryptonite to lazy/close-minded types. They work well as a filtering mechanism. The person can either get on board and try to get smarter (prescribing to the self-improvement ethos) or they can take their bad attitude and fuck off. Never write like a retard to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it's the bane of refining one's art.
SlinkyOne 9y ago
Example right here... I didn't know what that meant and my mom was an English teacher.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I assume you do now. Good shit. And shame on mom for not being on her A game.
SlinkyOne 9y ago
She stopped teaching when I was 12. After that It was all Government!
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Educationally you can't rely on your government to do anything but disappoint you. In matters of learning, you must take matters into your own hands. It's what I did.
SlinkyOne 9y ago
YES! I agree. Don't let school get in the way of learning.
elderscrollsrichard 9y ago
Mate, don't get this wrong but If I had to put up a list of people I admire, you'd be on it.
I want to reply to your first point. I consider myself well read because I've been devouring books since I was three years old. Most of them were fiction, so if I had to put together a list of all the books I've read (and I am sure it would be couple thousand long), actually meaningful books would be a small percentage (say 10%). Something to work on. I hope this part didn't come out as me bragging.
Don't know if you're familiar with this website: https://750words.com/ (the idea is you write two pages or about 750 words of text every day). I used it for a while but pretty soon found myself out of things to write about.
Thank you very much for this. I really did not expect a response this extensive.
Edit: Forgive me for any grammar mistakes, English is not my first language.
SmallEyesRoughSkin 9y ago
You who value religion a little have been found worthy of the knowledge that YOU are missing. You who wrote so eloquently on the value of authority have inspired a response. Your post was long, though and I stopped reading when I you named dropped religion as a useful placebo.
I value you prose highly, do you value your wisdom to act wise and appreciate advice?
IllimitableMan 9y ago
The self-aggrandizement isn't necessary. Speak your mind.
SmallEyesRoughSkin 9y ago
Some time-travelers told me that the word Religion" comes from the same root word as ligament. They encouraged me to seek the truth that I held SOO deeply, that I valued so highly in The Bible, and to seek that truth beyond the etymological gap of my own ignorance.
You should try it.
What do you think, is my "aggrandizing" still a stumbling block?
SmallEyesRoughSkin 9y ago
Your misunderstanding of me "engrandizing" is reasonable but I was asking if you would like advice, but I'm only offering it because of how wise you sound and not criticize in anyway.
bam2_89 9y ago
I've always been aware of the downward trend in female sanity with an upward trend of sexual partners, but does anyone have sources which say that the same isn't true for men or that it's less pronounced? Or that it's the same if that happens to be the case?
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IllimitableMan 9y ago
Baseless disagreement isn't a cogent counterargument. Neither is pretension. This is an opinion piece. If you disagree, show how I'm wrong. Attempt to educate me, don't undermine me out of butthurt. Conjure up some logic which shows this point to be wrong, or use studies/statistics if you like. I am reasonable, I listen to logic. I don't listen to people questioning my sanity, however, ad hominem is weak. If you're incapable of this, it's better you don't post. You won't last long.
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Borpilux 9y ago
This sad paragraph also affected me the most, but due to it's truth.
I'm an old guy with an adult daughter. At her college, many, if not most, of her colleagues rode the cc. Initially, she couldn't wait to leave for the dorms. One month in, she couldn't wait to return home. She claimed a continuous stream of drinking, partying and sex every afternoon until 2-3 AM every night. We had a hard time believing this as her stories made my all male dorm of decades ago look prudish. But, when we arrived to help move her out -- WOW!
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grendalor 9y ago
Yep.
Read Tom Wolfe's "I am Charlotte Simmons". Wolfe is pretty red pill by nature.
Gotmilkyy 9y ago
I don't have children and don't plan on having children for a while. Not even sure I want children.
However, say I was going to have a daughter and my networks/connections, job, as well as hers (the mom) was in the west. Would you say to just get up and move to the east? To a more conservative country? It sounds nice on paper but will definitely create some challenges.
Curious on your thoughts on this. edit:words
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Pretty much. Fly abroad for business meetings on a regular if need be. You may be able to set up a local office after some time, which would give you more time with the family. Depends what you're involved in and how important you are. Or you could set up your business online or "work remotely." You can't rely on poor countries to give you income. I think both your kids are better off with you being a little more absent and living in the east than they are if you're there in the house more, but living in the west. That's how toxic the west is IMO.
Gotmilkyy 9y ago
Don't know why you are getting downvoted. Simply stating your opinion. Be nice if those downvoters actually contributed in discussion.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
BP'ers dont mind bringing illegals INTO the country, but they dont want "their" men LEAVING the country.
You said: You can't rely on poor countries to give you income. I think both your kids are better off with you being a little more absent and living in the east than they are if you're there in the house more, but living in the west. That's how toxic the west is IMO.
My friend's parents did this. He's Egyptian, and his family's Muslim, and he goes to school and lives here with his brother. They game girls daily and theyre both successful personally.
Their parents fly in and out of the country not just for business, but by CHOICE. Luckily they have no sisters to worry after. But either way, they do not like seeing what has become of the relations between the genders in the West.
They'd literally rather send money home to pay the mortgage and bills, let them have all 4 cars, and just come home when they feel like it. The west truly is toxic, if people who ran here 50 years ago in hopes of freedom, are running back to where they came from en masse just to avoid the toxicity of these cities.
Like Brad Pitt said in Killin Em Softly: "America is not a country, it's not your family, it's just a business. Now fuckin PAY ME"
IllimitableMan 9y ago
The blue pill brigaded this thread, probably them.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
The blue pill brigaded this thread, probably them.
^ Cowards only find courage in numbers.
When you strike a nerve, they silently neg.
They stammer because they know we speak truth.
When people slip, and there are others around, they'd prefer to keep on trucking along and act like nothing happened.
This, is what's happening. They literally come here, sign on, scroll, troll, downvote, and leave.
"Nothing to give, because they're always on the take." State of Grace -Talib Kweli
But wise eyes don't miss much.
BetaRecovery 9y ago
Truly inspiring. I checked the link and found that I already subscribe to your blog.
Society is fucked BTW.
screamingATtrees 9y ago
"I'm a strong woman confident in my sexuality and I don't care what anybody thinks!
"how many dudes have you fucked?"
"That's none of your business... I'm not a slut!"
"so 20?!"
"what Omg no... That's disgusting eww!
"....."
RedBigMan 9y ago
Well if she's not fucking dudes she's rug munching like a hoover vacuum.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
As you can see, logic and consistency are feminine strong points.
YourShadowScholar 9y ago
How are women used up through sex? I've never witnessed this happening. Like what happens exactly?
ROIVeritas 9y ago
The pussy lips become super distended from sessions of legions of men before you.
She had been raised BP, thought the first guy would be "the one", turns out he wasn't, now she's Maleficent, and to her all dudes are dwarves.
She doesn't take it in the pussy in an effort to remain a vaginal virgin, (many 8-9-10,s do this, as well as porn stars), but as a result she slobs too much cock so shes got the thousand cock stare, or she strictly takes it anally in which case when you hit it from the back it looks like a plumbers' unfinished work, like a piece of pipe is missing.
In the end, they simply become JADED. There are so many other multiple scenarios here.
YourShadowScholar 9y ago
Can you throw me a source for this?
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Maybe not just the legions of men, but there are other reasons:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201109/the-rare-truth-about-tight-and-loose-women
Now for the two exceptions. If you stretch elastic a great deal, over time, it fatigues and no longer snaps back entirely. That can happen to the vaginas of young women after multiple births. Their vaginal muscles fatigue and no longer fully contract. In addition, aging fatigues vaginal muscle. Whether or not women have given birth, as they grow older, they may complain of looseness.
Today, many woman delay childbearing until after 30, and some have children after 40. Combine the rigors of older childbearing with the effects of aging on the vaginal muscles, and many women complain of looseness. Women who give birth after around 30 may notice persistent looseness after delivering only one child. Individual differences account for the fact that birth—and age—related looseness happens to some women and not others.
YourShadowScholar 9y ago
I mean, that link basically says women have have virtually as much sex as they want without consequence. Mainly aging and childbearing are issues.
If you follow the logic, young women have a MASSIVE incentive have an absolute maximum amount of intercourse possible actually, as either way they will lose their tightness due to aging (although there are apparently tons of things they can do to alleviate the effects).
ROIVeritas 9y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQkWUTDrWas&app=desktop
This is why it's important to learn math.
YourShadowScholar 9y ago
How is the video relevant to anything?
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IllimitableMan 9y ago
Good to know not all women are ruined, and a few functional ones manage to thrive in spite of the decadent culture. Such examples help to give the men here hope, who at heart are romantics pissed off with the state of affairs, many having written off women entirely as solely sexual objects. Whilst others are on the verge as such. For the guys in the anger phase, flipping their shit as they read this: AWALT, yes, AWALT, I know. A low partner count is to be commended though. This is the type of women capable of pair bonding who is not as socially irresponsible as the average woman, nor prone to carry out the compulsion of impulse. Self-discipline is an important quality to look for in an LTR. Likewise they are better mother material. Your chances of successful monogamy/child-rearing increase a fuck ton with this type of woman. They are rare, and many women claim to be this when they are not, they are damaged frauds. So the weary man must balance vigilance with fairness and do his best to determine when meeting such a woman if "this is for real" or "if she's just fucking with me."
erqos 9y ago
I knew male homosexuals did this (there's a huge self-post about Hollywood homosexuals in r/movies if you search for "Bryan Singer"). It stands to reason that the dykes do this as well.
Remember the recent brouhaha about sexual amorality? It's time for amorality battle round 2: corporate amorality. Who's going to stick up for the "amoralists" this time?
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Had a draft on the psychopathy of corporatism/capitalism laying around for a long time (long before the recent feud.) My unpublished content count is quite high, some are rough articles not good enough to go out, others are just a ton of notes. This article in particular is far too rough/undeveloped to publish. It needs a lot more fleshing out. Time and perfectionism is a bitch. When you aim for quality like I do, publishing new content is slow. Anyone can write 400 word posts comprised of feel good shit, basic dieting advice or a rant everyday. It takes little creative skill and general abstraction. I set the bar higher than that for myself. Sometimes I go back to pieces I previously published because I know they can be and should be better. Not just grammatically, but in terms of content. I plague my art with critical perfectionism. It's a bitch for the work rate.
erqos 9y ago
When we take the long view of what's good for us (in other words, good for society), rather than the myopic short-term view, we know that any kind of amorality is bad. In the case of corporations, they're exploiting women's rampant consumerist and wasteful tendencies, creating a vicious cycle that's extremely detrimental to society. So your treatise on corporatism run amok is highly relevant and welcomed.
sLyyyisfactioN 9y ago
So the new wind in r/trp has also it's good sides..
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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You have improved yourself in the art of writing since the last year. You can now improve on your marketing strategies. You can do a lot more than a 200% raise of subscribers in four months.
Venicedreaming 9y ago
Interesting points, but having too many partners are bad for monogamy relationships in general. So if you have had a lot of past partners, be sure to end up with a partner who is cool with open relationships, or don't let them find out if you have a fling later. With that said, when it comes to children, be sure to raise your sons to be successful as well. Today's culture had created a lot of deadbeat men who can't compete financially in the current world. And if you have daughters, coach them to land an alpha and coach them how to handle the side ass their husbands are going to do. If that gets too hard, she can always divorce and get half the asset and find a new alpha.
TakeYourSoma1 9y ago
What can we do about it? Call it an inner white knight that I haven't fully dispatched yet, but reading this really resonates with me and I want to see a movement that puts a stop to this degeneracy. I've noticed a lot of attitudes on here to the effect of "the horse has left the barn, no sense in closing the doors, might as well drink champagne while the band keeps playing." I refuse to accept defeat so easily.
bicepsblastingstud 9y ago
Live your life in accordance with your morality and build a social network that is the same. There's nothing else to do.
Kill_Your_Ego 9y ago
You can't change what has already happened. Take advantage of it instead. Or move to an Asian country. Withdraw from society. Go MGTOW. And to restate this let's try to raise our kids right. Though the government isn't going to allow that. Men don't have parental rights and government education has been deliberately infiltrated by the cultural Marxists.
forgottenpasswords78 9y ago
Inspire your daughters that they don't have to settle for just being able to fuck the guy they want, they can marry him too.
Sippin_that_Haterade 9y ago
Have children and raise them right. You can't convince our generation of women, but you can teach your daughters to be good women, and your sons to be real men.
newls 9y ago
I've been thinking about how to do this for my hypothetical future children, if they ever manifest.
Damn my sons are gonna be awesome. I'm proud of them already.
For girls I'd probably just reduce this to explaining to them the salient points of IM's big post here. That they may be tempted to party but in the end the sensible woman who respects the men in her life is more happy and fulfilled in the end.
RedBigMan 9y ago
I would not say that it is your inner white knight. I would suggest that it's actually the fact that you wish to use TRP in a moral way rather than the commonly tossed around trope of 'Sexual Strategy is Amoral'.
You basically understand the truth and want to restore social order so that society can repair the damage that feminism has done to it before we end up having a huge societal collapse.
Neither is necessarily wrong both are valid responses to the truths that TRP reveals. The latter is in my opinion the more mature and thought out response and it is actually the one that is much much harder to achieve because you have to try to change everyone rather than just yourself.
systemshock869 9y ago
And not only the loser nice guy betas need to change, but the dip shit alpha fuck machines as well. The best path is often the hardest.
RedBigMan 9y ago
I think dip shit alpha fuck machines slow down as they age... I think naturally as guys get older they may adopt a viewpoint of fixing society rather than getting everything they can.
erqos 9y ago
If you did give up, you'd be one of those MGTOWs hiding out from society, seeking only safety and comfort. That's effeminate. Real men can't be satisfied with only that. The only thing you can do is increase your own individual status. That way, you can be in a position to effect change, both on a small and large scale. Even if you're an omega now, you can rise above your fellows to become "alpha". We TRP men each need to play our part to take back society, changing it from within. The alternative is too frightening. Even if you ultimately have to somehow sacrifice your own life, you'd know it was for a good cause.
Imrockbottom 9y ago
Rofl "real men". Sorry I don't feel an obligation to save a society that doesn't give a sauteed rats ass about me. The time has come for men to become ruthlessly self interested. You cannot negotiate a better deal for men while simultaneously still providing cash and prizes to women and the state. Just like a bitch throwing a nuclear shit test, we have to show a willingness to walk away and let it burn, otherwise we have no power, no grounds on which to negotiate.
If this whole corrupt temple of nonsense ever changes, make no mistake. It wasn't the activists who did it, it was the men who walked away because those were the people who gave the activist that bargaining chip.
erqos 9y ago
While you're sitting on the sidelines in silent protest, there are foreign elements (who're still powered by patriarchy) who are patiently waiting to invade and subjugate us once things break down here. Realize that the MGTOW way of thinking is unwittingly leading us to our collective doom. Our country's been hijacked by domestic enemies, and we need to take it back before they eventually hand us over to our foreign enemies. That's not going to happen if you refuse to participate in the process. Have you heard of the new alternative acronym for MGTOWs? People Opting Out of Participation in Society: POOPS.
CrimsonTideCosby 9y ago
I think a good analogy for sex using up women the more they have it would be scoring in basketball vs soccer.
In basketball, scoring happens about every 15 seconds or so throughout a 48 minute game and is very easy to do relative to other sports (especially soccer) which cheapens the value of each score. If you look at NBA vs NCAA, scoring happens much less in NCAA basketball and therefore each made basket is that much more important. In soccer, scoring happens very seldom and is very difficult to do, if at all, therefore making each score vastly important.
If you apply that thinking to a woman's sex life, lots of easy sex makes each encounter less and less important and serves to desensitize the woman to the act of incredible intimacy that is intercourse. On the other hand however, sex with few partners that requires work to achieve makes those few encounters very special and serves to illustrate the importance and gravity of a woman's decision to have sex.
Just in my own experience watching basketball and soccer, I only get somewhat excited and interested in a basketball game (that I have no personal stake in) when players score in the last five minutes when the game is on the line. However when someone scores in soccer, I always lose my mind and get much more excited than even when someone hits a buzzer beater to win the game. And I don't even have a favorite soccer team.
AMasonJar 9y ago
That's more like comparing inflation of values. In one, you score more often, so the points aren't worth as much as in the games where there are less scores. For women, you're talking about a diminishing effect where, the more she has sex, the more desensitized she is to it.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Yes this is a great analogy. Very elucidating. Thanks.
CrimsonTideCosby 9y ago
Thank you. Means a lot coming from you. I really enjoy your posts. I'm one of these "I suspected all this stuff before RP but couldn't articulate it" new guys.
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harkrank 9y ago
Some % of the women being whores would satisfy male sexuality at large. That's how it worked up until recently. What is the point of all of them being whores?
s0und0fyell0w 9y ago
you lost me at this part because plenty of girls claim to be Christians and are still sluts so I fail to see the necessity there.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Feminism corrupted Christianity. Look at Islam. Exactly. FYI: not endorsing Islam. Don't misinterpret me, ENFORCED PATRIARCHAL religion is necessary. That shit you call Christianity in the states nowadays has been reduced to a fucking joke.
PlatosPlatypus 9y ago
"Claiming" to identify with a religion is not the same as embracing and living within its moral code. Many girls who claim to be Christian do nothing more than wear cute silver crosses...
What OP is getting at is the idea that societies in which a religious morality is a major part raise women with more old fashioned values, women who fear judgment, even if there's no one around to see what they're doing.
In my opinion, you want to raise a child not to fear you, because fear will lead to rebellion, but with the thought in the back of their mind, "If Dad saw me doing this, he'd be so disappointed." Whether "Dad" is their biological father, a strong male figure, or God.
RedSpectrum 9y ago
Agreed. Went to a southern school. Girls drink and fuck and then go to church on the same weekend. I chuckled on the inside when I saw these same girls dancing on tables on Thirsty Thursday and then saw them in their Bible study groups the following week.
OP means well, but frankly his ideals follow the "end justifies the means" approach which I don't think will work in the Western World especially when it comes to a enforcing a pseudo-Judeo-Abrahamic religion on the populace all for the sake of reversing what has occurred. The Western World is becoming less and less religious, feminism or not.
ShitlordMajestic 9y ago
You can spot the "Christian" girls from what time their Saturday night fuck leaves on Sunday morning. They want you to leave early, they've gotta have time to prissy up and get to Sunday School.
PaperbackParrot 9y ago
Lying is key to many social dynamics, and since Christian has a nice "good girl" ring to it, many many girls (and guys for that matter) will say they are Christian, to further whatever agenda they have. There is a ridiculous amount of data that suggests religion was established to give strict morals to oppose and oppress biological imperatives (slutty behavior, etc) in order to build civilization.
The sidebar has much to say about this overall. Posters who are "TRP endorsed" are usually correct.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Important to note we are not perfect though. We say dumb shit on occasion and make mistakes. We are human after all.
DoxasticPoo 9y ago
I was talking about this with a plate a few months back. She wouldn't fuck me so we "talked". Turns out she's 29 and still a virgin. Because she's seen what's happened to her friends and decided to wait until she's married, because she doesn't want to end up like that.
This was the gist of the convo:
Me, "Yeah... you're right. With every new guy a girl fucks, a piece of her dies."
Her, "I know. Every girl knows. What I don't understand is how so many modern girls can ignore it. I don't know if they've convinced themselves it doesn't happen or what... but it does."
I still haven't fucked her despite her eventually giving me the opportunities. I just can't do it to her... It's one thing to kill off a piece of a slut, she's already damaged. But this girl... I just can't do it.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
She not worth the LTR/commitment or are you just not in a place where you're ready for that? Also this may be the paranoid Machiavellian in me but 29 and a virgin? Find out if there's a way to check for signs of hymen reconstruction surgery (popular with Chinese bitches, actually.)
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DoxasticPoo 9y ago
I've been MGTOW for over a year now and I love it. So I'm not looking for an LTR. Plus I'm not really sure we're all that compatible. I don't want to start something unless I really feel the same as she does, and I just don't see that in me. I'm not sure if it's because I'm not looking for something or if we're just not compatible, even if I was. But I believe in treating good girls like good girls and sluts like sluts.
And who knows if she's a virgin? There's never any way to really know. All I know is it took 3 dates just to get her to make out with me. And the one time I could have escalated to get laid she had a look of fear over her face that only a virgin would have...
So I figure the right thing to do is keep it in my pants until I have real feelings for her. If that comes around, sweet. If not, it's nice to have her around.
vakerr 9y ago
I've read some study, that after the early teens the parents' influence is almost negligible, and the peers' influence dominates. So the best a parent can do past that point is to put their child in the best possible school environment and hope...
Those in control of today's media have a lot to answer for.
Modern corporations are essentially alien invaders. They can be viewed as living organisms, with their own metabolism and evolutionary competition. And their goals (fitness function) does not include the well-being of humanity. Those people concerned about us building (potentially hostile) superhuman AIs, should chew on this first.
pstar1000 9y ago
There isn't any inherent problem with girl having a lot of sex. Girls with lots of orbiters/ social media validation really the same as sluts. In either case, the woman has been entitled to massive amounts of 'fake' validation. She can never be satisfied after that.
Literal sluts tend to be attention whores, but don't confuse the fact that the attention whore bit is the actual part that ruins her.
Oh and also there isn't some big capitalistic/ feminist illuminati conspiracy to control/destroy society. Consumers are asking for this feminized, consumerized bullshit, because it is the path of least resistance and most short term happiness. So there is no need to continue with that conspiracy bullshit and insult our collective intelligence's.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
Your 1st and 4th sentences are complete contradictions to each other.
You said theres no problem with a girl having too much sex, but then you end it by saying with the validation that comes with sex and attention, she'll never be satisfied after that.
So which is it? Don't you think every guy who gets into a relationship with a woman who can NEVER be satisfied is a PROBLEM. I think that's a major red flag. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.
This post is pepper with no food, its just making people sneeze.
ROIVeritas 9y ago
You had me except the first sentence, and until the last paragraph. The more a girl fucks, the less guys want her. Think of a luxury sports car, you're thinking of buying one because you think you can afford it. So you go to the Lambo lot, and the one you test drive is the one EVERYONE test drives. You take it for a few spins at the track.
The more cars are driven, the more the brakes are abused, the more likely it is to break down on you, no matter how nice it looks. And when you take it to the shop, you have to pay to fix it before you can trade it in or even start looking at something new.
As for your final stanza, there is no way you can honestly believe society is telling the gov what to give them. These marketing strategies have been in effect but have been gradually been picking up speed for years.
Look at Japan's herbivore men, and tell me this is a wanted state of affairs, especially by men.
Men do not marginalize themselves in societies they built, by choice. Not unless they are forced, coerced, or duped into this hell by those who profit from cretants that spend more, think less, care less, DO less, make more, take more, and have the law on their side.
Kill_Your_Ego 9y ago
Go do some reading on oxytocin, OXTR receptors, and dopamine.
Borpilux 9y ago
Yes there is. Much more likely to get a STD. More likely to have an unwanted pregnancy. More likely to have an abortion (and no, abortions are neither healthy or harmless). From studies and from experience, there is a negative emotional cost.
Feminism was orchestrated. I don't have time to prove it to your liking. Try looking it up.