There was a post last week about a 34-year old former Playboy bunny who was found dead in a bathtub of a drug OD. She left behind her 2 children and her husband, who is now planning to raise them. What would cause a "devoted" mother and wife to behave so recklessly with her life, knowing that there are others in her life who care for and depend on her?
We often talk about the concept of the alpha widow on here- a women who has experienced a man that has impacted her psyche so deeply that future men will never be able to stack up. I'll go a step further and assert that even if a woman never enters into a relationship with one of these men, the "party lifestyle" (hard drugs, cock carousel, late nights in Vegas, getting shitfaced 5/7 days of the week) irreparably ruins women. We know the toll such a lifestyle takes on her body and how it accelerates her inevitable impact with The Wall, but it damages them even more mentally.
Raise your hand if you've heard this one before: "I'm not that type of girl anymore." "That lifestyle is behind me now." "I've grown up and am looking for something real now." There's one thing the party lifestyle wasn't for these women, and that's boooringgg. It's a constant stream of altered states-of-mind, social stimulus, and strange cock. How can a quiet night in with hubby and the kids ever compare to doing lines of blow in a Vegas penthouse and "having some fun" with Chad Thundercock in a sexy threesome?
No matter how much she tries to put it behind her, her new life will NEVER provide her the same level of excitement that she found in Party World. She'll harbor resentment for her family- "Ugh, I have all these responsibilities now! I just want to go have some fun!" She'll crave just a taste, as our recently-deceased playboy bunny did, and it will destroy her and her family.
There's a steep price of admission to Party World. Nothing in her life will ever be able to live up to it, and she will always clamor for "just a taste." Alpha widows aren't always created by individual men. If you encounter a woman who goes out drinking frequently, takes multiple trips to Vegas, and just loves "having fun," pump-and-dump accordingly. One day she will say that lifestyle is behind her (coincidentally, as she begins to approach The Wall), but we all know better here, right?
screamingATtrees 9y ago
"girls just wanna have fun"
Yap
chillmonkey88 9y ago
This is my son's mother... you can save the don't stick your dick in crazy routine. I was blue pill beta supreme staff Sargeant... but she is the alpha party widow... she's 28 and the wall has long passed her (fat, loose vag. and medical problems that linger from this lifestyle). After our break up about a year and half ago I found red pill... man I can't believe I tried making it work... now she can turn on the good mother mode on and does Monday - Friday until about 6pm but simply can't on weekends and thus why I take my son on weekends so he doesn't have to see her in her "best" form...
My reply is to just paint a picture though of my reaction to this and give a little advice as a guy that paid the piper on this type of walking calamity of a woman... I encourage this lifestyle... a lot... when she wants to go out and needs me to pick up chillmonkey88 Jr. A little early... I'm there at a drop of a hat... why? So one day I can't get the slip I need to take over custody of my son. I've talked to lawyers and they've said I won't win at our current agreement - $112/w in cs, every other weekend even though I take him every, and 0 legal or physical - so I wait for that dui or od or domestic dispute or diagnosis so I can get my son completely out of that environment. It's sad that to get 50/50 or more of everything I need her to fuck up or put my son in danger.
So to you guys out there, encourage this shit all day and black night in a white night disguise... it will catch these skanks. It's sad but it does two things - thins the herd of un-wifable women. And two, in my case and many other single dads that have been bullied into submission by the family court system along with helps men's rights in custody cases and reproductive rights like mine, it can give you the time to strike if you want more parenting and need to prove her unfit.
Finally if you meet any of these women and see this red flag on their social media or in real life handle it one of two ways. -
STAY THE FUCK AWAY AT ALL COSTS... AVOID THEM LIKE RADIATION...
These women will destroy their lives along with your life and there is no saving them trust me...
totorox 9y ago
lol i'm loving the tone : "This is real, men, I've been there, you dont want to know the hell it is in the warzone, do not go there i'm pleading you."
SoldierGenerale 9y ago
Damn feel bad for you bro. Good luck, hope you get your kid out of there.
chillmonkey88 9y ago
Don't feel bad... luckily he does good in school when she has him and I get him away from her when Friday nights come along... feel bad for my kid and many others that want their dad's but can't until mommy fucks up good...
SoldierGenerale 9y ago
Perhaps manipulating her into falling back in her old ways is another option. As evil as that may sound... :P
Hell_Brake 9y ago
Found a woman who loved to (and may still) get shit faced?
http://www.breastcancer.org/risk/factors/alcohol
But, of course, telling a woman not to drink heavily is you being oppressive and controlling.
Also, don't forget, you are evil for not supporting her in dealing with the repercussions of her careless and thoughtless life.
And so, women's rights groups would rather push that men accept this lifestyle, instead of telling the very women they claim to be looking out for to be more reserved by pushing a lifestyle that prevents breast cancer.
theoctopuss 9y ago
Because that's no fuuuuuun!
Fred_Flintstone 9y ago
Its my body ill do want I want, Dad!
FunAndFreedom 9y ago
Hey patriarch, you trying to repress women's rights by telling them not to fuck up their body with alcohol! Scum bag!
feelstheheats 9y ago
What are some ways to determine if a woman has lived through the party world if she isn't involved in a publicized business like playboy?
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Time unveils all!
Ask around, but you'll notice those behaviors rise.
Their guilt will make them speak such words as "I'm not like this or that" etc.
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totorox 9y ago
Have you ever met a woman who did? I have not. I'm middle-aged. And I mean all the women I ever met in my whole life, not just the ones I bedded. Never have I heard a women admit she was at fault, she fucked up, she was responsible for screwing up and ruining something of importance. Ever. If her behavior was undeniably shady, the way she gets away with it is by dismissing the importance of the deed or its victim. Ego first, always. Ego king.
Halfjor 9y ago
Self confessed crazy is an automatic bright red flag. I don't know if it's supposed to be endearing, or some sort of a half-joke warning. If she tells me she's crazy I'm going to take her word for it. No longer interested.
Funny as it is, I respect the woman who tries to hide the fact that she's crazy more than the one who happily tells everyone. It exudes a sense of entitlement.
M4rkyboy 9y ago
Wow,you just nailed it mate.
I've been on dates with these girls and,in my naivete,not been aware or able to put my finger on what it is about them that i find disagreeable.
In my beta stage i would disregard these traits and pursue them purely out of lust.Of course this exposed my beta state and it would arouse their contempt.
You've just entered my pantheon of greats.One of the few times in life i can count on one hand where i have been exposed to something that has produced an epiphany.
bsutansalt 9y ago
Damn, almost all of those describe my ex's to a T.
nuc22 9y ago
Damn! I met a girl like this and she almost checked all the boxes.
johnnight 9y ago
Every person needs something to occupy the mind, a hobby. If a person has no visible interests, then that person has interests that are not visible.
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RedPope 9y ago
Some additional signs of a party girl:
As Mechbuscuit said, any of these on their own can be fine. A rich girl who spent a year abroad before college will check a few of these boxes. But if your girl matches one-third the items on our lists: do not get attached.
If you recognize her true "party girl" identity early enough, have your fun, but don't bring her into your social circle. Start looking for her replacement and cut ties ASAP. She will suck you dry and cheat on you without any warning or remorse.
The one good thing is she is accustomed to men vanishing on her. Unless you've mingled friends or possessions, any breakup drama should be brief.
[Edit to add more -- signs of a "professional" party girl:]
User-31f64a4e 9y ago
She knows shit she shouldn't:
She is unruffled by stuff that should set your hair on edge.
Many stamps in the passport. (Other reasons for this are possible.)
Oddly familiar with Aspen, Vail, Majorca, Cabo San Lucas, Phuket, Ibiza, etc.
Excellent mixicologist. Able to produce Bloody Marys, Mai Tais, Cosmopolitans, Long Island Ice Teas, Margaritas, etc etc on demand. In the liquor store, familar with pretty much everything.
RosewoodPill 9y ago
Guys, these are all true. I take it for granted but here is a rule of thumb: don't LTR a girl you met in a club unless she was there once in a lifetime for a friend's bday. these girls are easy to spot bc they are shy as fuck and standing barely bobing their head protected at the back of a VIP booth
MeisterJaeger 9y ago
This does sound a lot like my ex in a very generalized way, quite confrontating. I guess subconsciously I have always known she was a trainwreck.
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feelstheheats 9y ago
Thanks for the signs of what to watch out for. I have to say the constant traveling and overseas stories is something I never would have thought about, yet now it makes perfect sense.
watersign 9y ago
hahaha this is so funny and true. there is a reason why women need to be kept in line like children, if they dont get get disciplined they wind up like this. but..feminism!!
foldpak111 9y ago
That screens out almost every girl lol good thing I'm on the narrow path.
cptspiffy 9y ago
Haha I have to say, I've never encountered this. What a wonderful quality in a plate!
RedPope 9y ago
I was getting a service for free that other men paid several thousand for.
But that's like bragging because you received a free pop from the Coke machine.
cosmicartery 9y ago
You just decribed my ex rather well there, sir. Got into that party life in her midteens. Kept saying it was all behind her. Glad it ended and I'm wayyy more experienced with her type now.
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johnnight 9y ago
This stuff needs it's own post.
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beware_the_syllogism 9y ago
AWALT, these posts are getting redundant. Feminism/progressive thinking is only one facet of the decline of our civilization. It's an easy target and one that grates on almost all males here, possibly an excellent study on a small scale of why things in general are declining, but only a small part.
Posts like these remind me of my fundamentalist Christian upbringing. If a woman works, she's wrecked. If a woman is seen in public with a man (or was it without?) she's wrecked. If a woman goes to the gym, she's wrecked. If she's seen movies, reads women's magazines, watches soap operas...blah blah blah.
Eve had a little tight game run on her, fell for it, the rest is history. She was in a perfect environment, talked with God, had a man who was basically the fucking CEO and in charge of the material world, still wasn't enough. AWALT, AWALT, AWALT
Rather than hate on women, realize what they are. Lift, self improve. Women will come, or won't. Does it really matter that women will suck and continue to suck? On my deathbed I hope I'm able to say my life was great, not "wow, I'm so glad I found a virginal woman who didn't club (lol) herself to death."
It does, but don't forget our true mission, to succeed at life on our own terms. If your happiness or core hinges on women, well, good luck with that.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
It's kind of like taking heroin and throwing all the switches ON in your pleasure/satisfaction center of the brain. lots of fun the first time one experiences it, but you spend the rest of forever chasing that first thrill, and can never really appreciate "normal" pleasure and goal-attainment again.
NoRegretj 9y ago
Tatoos, excessive piercings, "I don't party anymore" or any other variation of such words, immediate abort mission for any sort of LTR and downgrade into plate. You won't regret it.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
Just FYI, guys, the Playmate in question, Cassandra Hensley, got introduced to her husband by her 5 yo daughter, who basically pushed them together. He was a bit reluctant. After his first business went bust, they moved into her sister's basement for a few months. He was NOT financially successful when they first met, only after a few years together, and she was not a heavy drinker at that time either.
It would appear that the only red flags he should've taken cognizance of were her single mother status, and her being a PMOM.
ECoast_Man 9y ago
I have posted about this multiple times, and I whole-heartedly agree. Yeah, a girl who fucks one alpha dude will pine over him, I agree. But the party lifestyle girls are possibly even more fucked, due to the false believe that they are in control, and it will last forever.
WardlyHasted 9y ago
I don't think women ever stop riding the cock carousel. Once they get on, they can't get off.
Even if they get married after hitting the wall, mentally, they will still be on the cock carousel; reminiscing about their time with Chad and comparing her current life to her previous life. Even if this woman never cheats on her new husband, she will never experience the same emotional and sexual highs as she did in her past.
And let's say this woman doesn't get married. She remain on the prowl for strange cock, even though her value has diminished. Once a woman has had a taste of Alpha, she can't go back. Once a woman has fucked a high SMV man, it drastically warps her perception of her own SMV.
It's been said here before, but this is why the more partners a woman has had before marriage, the more likely she is to get a divorce. She will not experience the same highs and lows as her "party girl" days and her ability to pair bond gets punted out the window.
GhostOfAladdin 9y ago
I know a former party hound that is a good mother now. Everybody had a go, though.
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zephyrprime 9y ago
How the heck does she make that much money as an actuary? I looked up the typical salaries on payscale.com and they say those with less than 5 years of experience are making about $65K.
killego 9y ago
I go to a B10 school. Are you saying there are actually women out there who aren't like this? I havent met any.
theHangedGod 9y ago
That's the problem, any attractive girls would rather do the party lifestyle than study or make something of themselves. Almost every attractive girl I've met does as much partying as they can. The most attractive girl in my high school slept with an entire other towns high school (15 or so dudes).
Every family I've met that didn't raise a major slut has an alpha-take no shit father and a non party girl mother who has devoted herself to being a mother.
That leaves very few marriagable girls in the world.
Strongbhoy 9y ago
I went to a B1G school, and there are some but you have to work to find them. More likely doing actual "studying" than at the bars aka meat market.
grewapair 9y ago
I know one woman like that. Promoters in Las Vegas will let her and her friends have a vip table, gratis, if they swing the air fare and hotel. So they go about 4 times a year. Otherwise she goes out to clubs in SF where she lives.
She did this while married, husband wasn't allowed or no vip table. So he stayed home.
You can date her today if you want. Husband finally divorced her and she's approaching the wall, so guys are staying away. She gets one, he dumps her, she moves on.
Trust me, you can't afford her.
Purecorrupt 9y ago
He asked are there any not like that. Not to describe one, but interesting tidbit.
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OilyB 9y ago
I've witnessed this firsthand with the ex. She was 35 when I met her, had 2 kids from previous marriage and was still continuing on Party Mode when she met me. After meeting me, she wanted to 'settle down' and tried really hard to become the responsible mom and classy partner she'd waited too long to be - her own words.
She tried so hard she started pretending to be someone totally different from who she is - including suddenly becoming prudent; consequently she made a total crying mess of her career, had 2 burnouts, started living off everybody's help, support and money and after 4 years of relationship she blamed me for keeping her fun life away from her. Only now do I understand how I fell into her obvious 'beta-trap'. I still miss the person she pretended to be but the painful truth is, she never existed.
Mihawk01 9y ago
That is an extreme example, but yeah, that party shit does mess women up, but so it does it with men too, but in general men are usually better able to handle it.
If you want a bitch, need to snap them up young. And be very alpha, and not give a fuck at all! At all!!!
LastRevision 9y ago
"How can a quiet night in with hubby and the kids ever compare to doing lines of blow in a Vegas penthouse and "having some fun" with Chad Thundercock in a sexy threesome?"
The sad thing is, divide that by 1/8 and it still holds up.
How can a quiet night in with the family compare to getting pumped and dumped by OKCupid half-alphas, and giving anonymous blowies in some local dance club?
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But you don't understand! She's changed. She doesn't enjoy that anymore. It's just a coincidence that she's hit the wall. Right guys? R-right?
babydocnorman 9y ago
True that. All it takes is 5 Minutes of Alpha.
popthatpill 9y ago
Exactly. This is why I keep asking: what do you think women prefer, 2am feedings or 2am alpha cock?
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surgeon_general 9y ago
OP's post is probably 1/8 as depressing as what you just said. But I would have to agree with you.
Obio1 9y ago
By definition, being a party-girl means they've been sleeping above their level.
And it's also why a party girl cannot possibly respect her betabucks hubby when she's done riding the cc.
In her mind she will be doing him a favor, even as her looks fade and her ass gets bigger. She'll consider him to be sort of clueless and sweet. He'll be the guy she "settled" for, as if she ever once had any real options for a LTR with her cc alphas.
She will feel entitled to his wealth and his support because after all, he is the "lower level" guy she's doing a favor for by allowing him to support her.
Post-wall party girls should be plated, and discarded. They made their decision to throw away their value long before they met you. Their problems are very real, and they are not yours. A favorite skill of the post-wall party girl is to pretend they're helpless little girls. They are not. They have been around the block many, many times. But somewhere out there there's a betabucks who will surely step up and save her saggy ass.
1independentmale 9y ago
Sadly, for all of his efforts, he will be "rewarded" with disdain, emotional abuse, manipulation and head games, occasional pity sex and eventual heartbreak.
Source: Was betabucks. Rescued damsel in distress. Ended up with distressed damsel who despised me for loving her unconditionally and taking care of her every need. ಠ_à²
totorox 9y ago
what are you, a dog? -- carousel rider reasoning.
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netgrey 9y ago
Possibly, but are you going to wife up a 35 year old ex party girl with herpes, dried out eggs and a thousand cock stare? Good luck with that.
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This isn't about "partying" per se, this is about the side effects from partying, AKA alpha widowhood. Like it or not, men don't tend to experience the same thing.
cmiovino 9y ago
I agree with you here, but remember this...
Although I do believe men and women both mature and grow out of the party scene, once we've all lived it for a bit, random cravings pop up. Some people more than others.
At age 27 now, I've gotten bored with going out every weekend, but about once a month, I find myself wishing to head out with people to a club/bar/whatever for a 2-3am night. Then it happens, and the next day, although I have fun, it wasn't as fun as I had fantasized in my head.
I think once you're exposed to it, you'll end up craving it every once and a while. If you're never really exposed, you won't know what you're missing.
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Of course, the world isn't as black and white as RedPill likes to make it seem. Women can change, but given the choice, would you rather be with a girl who legitimately thinks you are the greatest person in the world or someone who knows she's been with better... Self conscience is unfortunate but certainly a factor to consider
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Cyralea 9y ago
Men and women are different in that regard. Men and women have completely differing attitudes about casual sex regret.
Women are broken by the party lifestyle much more than men are. Men tend to regret missing sexual opportunities, so the party lifestyle isn't a negatively impactful.
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aguy01 9y ago
So you're saying they end up like the playboy chick that is mostly content being a stay home mom but occasionally wants to go out and do blow and fuck somebody? Yea I'll pass.
rkg-pua 9y ago
Women rarely get tired on the party lifestyle (and the validation that comes with it), its just with age, they no longer have access to the same scene as they had between ages 18-25.
Cyralea 9y ago
Because you're evaluating them on the basis of how good they'd be as friends. Sure, a fun, outgoing person is going to be more entertaining to hang out with. She is not going to make a good wife or mother. Party girls don't do boring.
It sounds like you see them as friends/plates, which isn't the crux of OP's post. Broken women are still workable as plates. They're just completely off the map as far as LTR material goes. Believe me, I could probably give you a run for your money in terms of craziness; still don't want to end up with a washed up party slut.
Different types of women for differing needs.
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Cyralea 9y ago
To each their own. Experience tells us that those types of women are transient in nature at best. It doesn't sound like you're all that into commitment yourself, so it likely suits your lifestyle anyhow.
I'm not a young guy either. I'm seeing the effects the wall has on the party girls who've washed up. You can tell nothing will ever truly satisfy them.
GreenTomatoSauce 9y ago
Not all people react in the same way to the same experience . This is just something that has a decent chance of happening. Just like Ozzy Osbourne and Mick Jagger did a shitload of drugs and whatnot and never really got addicted or have any side effects from them, but I bet you wouldn't risk your life to do the same things they did.
Now imagine that the girl who just got tired of partying is the same for your life. She can be completely fine and over that or she could make your life miserable. You just have to weigh the risks and see if it's worth it. For me, in this case, it's a yellow flag, needs further analysis . I don't consider having a decent amount of parties in your 20's something you can't ever get over.
Steve_Wiener 9y ago
Ozzy was kicked out of Black Sabbath because of his drug problems.
I'm a big metal fan so I had to tell you.
GreenTomatoSauce 9y ago
I'm well aware of his history too. Those were personal problems. What I'm saying, and it's well of the original point now, is that his body could sustain an abuse of drugs that would have OD'd or at least left most people in a vegetative state. He wasn't even seriously addicted to them. And now he is "normal".
Obviously his creative production now is 0, but unless we're talking about Kant I wouldn't expect anyone to create his magnum opus past the age of 60.
theredpoo 9y ago
Well Ozzy is practically brain dead but other than that, yeah no side effects!
GreenTomatoSauce 9y ago
I disagree. He's 65 or more iirc and pretty much average for his age. And you must be well aware that your opinion of him is not really important in the point being made here.
theredpoo 9y ago
I think he's 70 now. I love Ozzy. I'm just saying, there certainly were side effects of his partying!
GreenTomatoSauce 9y ago
What I'm saying, and it's well of the original point now, is that his body could sustain an abuse of drugs that would have OD'd or at least left most people in a vegetative state. He wasn't even seriously addicted to them. And now he is "normal".
Obviously his creative production now is 0, but unless we're talking about Kant I wouldn't expect anyone to create his magnum opus past the age of 60.
theredpoo 9y ago
I hear ya. Like I said I'm an Ozzy fan so I'm just sort of geeking out on it. :)
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
And basically these women are the low quality losers no matter what they look like. You can be certain that these women will have ZERO female Game (Charm) and have basically walked blindly through their lives.
An Alpha male wishes to mate with the highest quality female he can find. One judges female quality in part on good genetics (looks) but also on intelligence. (Game). The woman with no Charm (no Game) will be used up in the Cock Carousel as each guy uses her for sex but realizes she's a dingbat.
If a man is going to devote resources to a woman she must demonstrate high quality and Charm signals high quality.
You could have predicted her demise from the beginning.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
No, he wishes to mate with any and all women over a certain threshold. He might want to LTR the (singular) highest quality female, but, like all men, he'll fuck a huge number of them. Not sure if that was what you're trying to say.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
Not every guy wants to waste energy with many women he doesn't want beyond a certain age. There is a learning phase of "playing the field" but unless you want to spend your life Spinning Plates you start to focus on Quality rather than Quantity.
There are no awards given for "most sex, but fewest offspring".
(we ideally want to have families)
foldpak111 9y ago
All I ask for is to be friendly, cool, and fat. Its too easy
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
But that strategy for a woman leads her to a decline riding the Cock Carousel and an end which represents total failure.
For a woman to NOT develop Charm (female Game) is a losing strategy.
john-b 9y ago
How can one avoid ones daughter becoming like the used up party girl loser? It must take a strong, proper mother to help the raise the daughter that will recognize and avoid that irreversibly damaging lifestyle.
As men we generally look up to our fathers a bit more because we're just that, men. It must be the same way with daughters & their mothers.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
/r/RedPillWomen
They are pretty sharp.
Stupid girls end up losers. Women need Charm to land the high SMV man and be able to turn off the Hypergamy. Once a woman "reaches to her highest" she will not stray.
Charm basically is amplified study of the inner workings of a man. She uses her playfulness to probe the inner workings of the man. It's a higher order skill than the Shit Test which really is a technique of last resort for women. Shit Tests are dangerous because a man can "Next" her and her investment in studying him will be lost. Efficiency is important in Hypergamy, so Charm protects her investment.
bsutansalt 9y ago
Good question. The only thing that comes to mind is raising them to value traditional relationships so they're in serious LTRs by their late teens and early 20s. That way they avoid the cock carousel in their prime.
LongtimeRPLurker 9y ago
You can't. Just like you can't avoid that your daughter gets hit by a car. All things in life depend on chance. We can only take certain actions to improve our odds. But in the end, there's nothing we can do to not get fucked in the ass.
AmazingFlightLizard 9y ago
I have 2 daughters. A 12 and a 13 year old. Their mother is definitely "like that". Luckily, I have more than 50% time and responsibility with them! but even then I'm gonna have to start looking out very soon. As it is, they're pretty sheltered.
Soultrane9 9y ago
Piece of advice from a guy who loves to slay sheltered girls:
The main error the fathers commit is they only teach the girls what they shouldn't do. They WILL have a sex drive and you should teach them HOW to choose a mate. Otherwise they might end up on my 40 yo tattoo artist's bed who tells me he should wash his sheets because too many virgin girls bleed on it last week.
Invalidity 9y ago
Men must screen women better if they insist on taking on long-term relationships. And once a woman fails the screening, he must be willing and committed to moving on from her.
KettleMeetPot 9y ago
This. I have a very strict set of expectations and red flags that if they are met or I recognize them, they go into the plate bucket. I'd like a LTR, but I'm not searching for one. Been single since 09 by choice. If I can't tolerate someone for longer than a few hours, then I have lost all interest.
cock_pussy_up 9y ago
You don't get it. If you're a man you need to be 6"5 dominant, charming, socially adept, physically immaculate, have an 8-pack, a PhD, be a CEO, be a billionaire capable of supporting your woman financially, and like to eat pussy for hours.
But if you make any type of demands of a woman, or set any standards, you're a monster. How dare you criticize a woman for having sex with 5,000 men before she met you! You're slut-shaming! Don't you understand she's changed now? How dare you refuse to support her and the children she had by other men! You're an irresponsible man-childe, peter pan! You need to step up to the plate and take care of the responsibilities that you had no part in creating! Because that's what real men do! Don't you want to be a real man?
totorox 9y ago
It's the feminine imperative. Weep: it is sound and reasonable. They have the pussy (or rather the womb), they make the rules. It is a biological imperative. They need males to break them out of the female hivemind that devours their individuality. We males can think by ourselves much more than women can, we are equipped for it. They long for that independence from the hive and admire us for our ability to take distance from ourselves and from the group. But such aspirations dont last. You gotta be mother. You gotta be like mother. It's a brainwashing genetic machine. Save women! Give them the D!
babydocnorman 9y ago
Yeah, but they can lie and cover up theit past, especially if they went through the cock carousel before the explosion of social media. Best to assume that any woman past her mid 20s has ridden the carousel unless you have definitive proof otherwise.
zarus 9y ago
Cunning have I found all buyers, but even the most cunning buys his wife in a bag. - Friedrich Nietzsche
dancingwithcats 9y ago
Exactly this. I was a fool and married very young. It didn't end well, as you can imagine, but I did wind up gaining full legal and physical custody of my child. She is now a responsible and productive young adult in her early 20s.
For several years after my short first marriage I dropped them as soon as they started talking about commitment. I was always honest and up front in the beginning, but you know how so many women are. They somehow think that those words are meaningless when they decide they want more.
It was not until I met my wife of now 18 years that I was willing to be in a singular committed relationship, and that was because she 'got it'. She understands the differences between men and women. She defers to me when she should. Yes, she is in many ways my 'partner' but I am the ultimate authority. She actually gets it.
I have digressed because this stirred memories in me of 20some years ago. My point was that I was always willing to walk away, and did, until I actually happened to meet someone who was worth not walking away from. Actually, to be honest, she's never given me cause to really. Oh sure, over any 18 year relationship there are a few tests and trials, but thankfully I do tend to 'maintain frame' as is said here, and it does work wonders.
OilyB 9y ago
Thanks for the story of your successful turnaround, hopefully I'll soon find a civil woman of my own.
emf41 9y ago
This is based on my experience so take it fwiw but I notice women reveal their flaws VERY quickly but men are either oblivious about it or dont care.
Why?
Simple. Many guys (especially those that arent TRP) will assume all is well in their LTR/marriage if: their girl is good looking, they have a lot of sex, and the sex is good. Sometimes you only need one or two of three points for this to apply. Don't get me wrong, sexual satisfaction to both parties is important for relationship health, but many guys mask/gloss over her inconsistencies because they think "why fix something that's broken?" and the classic "Yeah, there's issue, but it's DIFFERENT". If you don't believe me, just read the relationships sub reddit. The problem is, once the guy gets bored and the sex dries up, do they really realize that there are problems with her/the relationship. And the sad part of it is, once they realize it, she's either cheating on you physcially/emotionally, or planning her escape route.
totorox 9y ago
You're being way too kind. Guys are pussybrainwashed: literally awashed with hormones that could their judgment, just because she gets their dick wet. Haven't you tried to warn some BP guys they were being taken for a ride? No way you'll break them out of missus' spell.
newspaper_nerd 9y ago
I'm starting to wonder if most men, if not all, marry only because they want to continue to have sex with their girlfriend.
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Women do this very well with men. I've all heard a million "I'd never date a guy who -blank-." Every girl has a list of things to fill that blank, and she will pride herself on it, since it's a projection of her self-valuation. If you said "I'd never date/marry a girl who -blank-," you could easily be called a selfish asshole, but you don't necessarily have to say it out loud, if you don't want to.
200mgtestc 9y ago
I'm learning this applies to just about everything in regards to TRP. There's always a pull to spell things out and explain to someone why you're so right, but it doesn't do anybody, including you, any favors. It's ego. It's vanity. Just do you.
One of the major things I got out of the 48 Laws was to Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
totorox 9y ago
It's a cardinal rule of hermeticism. Knowing, willing, daring, keeping silent. This applies pretty well to this sub's topic.
skoobled 9y ago
The problem is that women are passive selectors, whereas men are hunters: if you spend the whole day tracking a gazelle you don't choose not to eat it because you don't like the pattern of its coat. Men tend to get a girl and then start justifying why she was worth the hunt - this is why oneitis can be such a problem
Women, on the other hand, sit back and judge what's brought before them
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Become a better hunter. (Solution?)
Niketi 9y ago
Haha great analogy. We're just tired of chasing that shit all over the damn savannah. She'll do.
Halfjor 9y ago
That's a great way of explaining it. Since men take the active role they are more likely to justify surprise shortcomings of a woman. They don't want to waste their work.
cock_pussy_up 9y ago
That means we get to choose which gazelles to hunt. You have to assess them before you start chasing. Or you can assess their serious relationship potential after you have sex with them one or more times.
skoobled 9y ago
You're bending my analogy; you still don't know what you have until you actually have it. So the solution once more is really abundance mentality, dread, and the willingness to walk away
IkilledJarJar 9y ago
So you're saying men are more likely to undergo cognitive dissonance than women?
skoobled 9y ago
Perhaps. I guess it's the same as how women inevitably start hamstering about how the guy they just starting banging is the greatest saint/genius/hero ever, in light of the fact his penis has been in her, rather than any objective reality about him as a person
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
But they lie... and they'll learn to lie better when they know we don't wanna hear "party".
They already lie about their n-count because they know we like it low.
wolololololololo 9y ago
She might, but her friends, family/extended family, previous partners? It is impossible to keep lying about everything and not let anything slip. Not even President's can do it.
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HAMMURABl 9y ago
Great for you buddy. Plenty of supply and low competition, shouldnt be too hard.
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Don't rush it. Time unveils all.
johnnight 9y ago
Then it's imperative to avoid a legal lock-in.
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If government allows then steel-prenup, and if the government doesn't offer EQUAL protection for both sexes then marriage is to be avoided like the male-racist plague that it is.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
There's your problem right there.
rebuildingMyself 9y ago
That's why it's very important to not upgrade right away. Plate her first and look for red flags.
_the_shape_ 9y ago
Yep. I read a story on another forum only a few minutes ago of a guy who got burned by a girl he was already thinking about wifing up - after only three months of dating...
Blue pillers treat a relationship as a necessity, a point which must be reached. Red pillers treat a relationship as a privilege. A high value man knows his worth in the SMP, and you can bet he won't just throw it all away to get with the first available piece of ass.
NightGod 9y ago
4 1/2 years of off and on and I'm finally ready to start to trust this one. Three months makes me just want to cry for the guy's future...
totorox 9y ago
Trusting women makes no sense as they believe their own lies in order to sell themselves. They're opportunists and solipsists. Trust that you know their personality, not that they will have male qualities (which can merit trust).
NightGod 9y ago
That's how I meant it when I used the word trust. I figured in this sub it would be understood.
cocaine_face 9y ago
The commitment of a high value man is the only thing you really have that's worthwhile to a woman.
windowkicker 9y ago
Commitment is an umbrella term which includes forcing yourself to be a slave to her for years. You can't possibly say no to her when she asks you to swing by the supermarket on the way home from work to buy diapers and sanitary pads if she is raising your kids
makethemwant 9y ago
I Disagree. Commitment has many meanings. One includes your description. Many others do not.
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PlusGoody 9y ago
Don't overgeneralize. There are alpha widows and then there are literal whores, like this one. "Whore ODs" is a dog bites man story.
(There was a time when a Playboy Bunny wasn't necessarily a whore, but it ended 20 years ago.)
beware_the_syllogism 9y ago
TRP of yesterday - get fit, get financial, get confidence, bang girls/don't bang girls.
TRP today - a girl better be in her parents basement and a virgin until time for marriage at the age of 17.
A girl can be a virgin and already develop alpha widow tendencies, and a "party world" isn't limited to a club, it could be literally anywhere high value or "high value" men are found.
Source: female relatives and acquaintances.
Eve had a little game run on her in the Garden and buckled (if you believe that sort of thing) so AWALT, if it wasn't clubs and party land it would be something else. Women have been wrecked, are being wrecked, and will always be wrecked. Assuming perfect input=perfect output is a fallacy with women/humans in general no matter how you slice it. No matter how much RP you throw at something the system will always be imperfect. Keep lifting, keep improving, bang girls/don't bang girls.
ON TRP NEXT WEEK If a woman goes to the gym, next her, she's already seen men with higher SMV than yours and her chastity is ravaged.
ShitArchonXPR 9y ago
It's like people have no idea how much purity culture sucks (speaking of which, I can't be the only /r/childfree subscriber here who just blocks subreddit style, can I?). Mormon/fundie chicks aren't hot. I don't know about Dalrock, but I sure as hell like non-reproductive sex.
beware_the_syllogism 9y ago
In my fundamentalist Christian upbringing the AF concept was still prevalent even though there was no sexing going on. The churches I attended were for women not cutting their hair, only wearing mid calf dresses, no shorts for men, no drums, huge families, etc. You can change the environment, women will still act the same.
This sub needs to get over the woman hating. It's beneficial in micro doses if it realigns you with your purpose but when all the topics on the page are "I've had a revelation girls are hypergamous unhappy whores amirite guys pls upvote!" it diminishes the value of the sub to males working through the anger phase who want to self improve regardless if a woman sees value in them or not. "I'm so red pill because I hate women thiiiiis much" is asinine.
ShitArchonXPR 9y ago
Thank you. I wish more people would read Mode One and not the irrational "I want you to fuck me and will try to get you to fuck me without having to commit, but now that you've given it up so easily you're a terrible slut" thinking you see on a lot of RoK posts. I don't see the logic in hating people for giving you exactly what you were trying to get them to give you. Part of the posts on RoK are about game and how to get sex from women on the first date when they normally don't give it up (and they're not worth your time if they don't), and the other part are about how women who give it up on the first date are sluts and horrible for an LTR therefore "DAE miss the patriarchy."
If it was the Independent Fundamental Baptists, there probably was.
For context, "Pastor" Jack Hyles was a controlling narcissist who instructed parents in how to hide child abuse from CPS.
moonmania 9y ago
The Virgin—Slut paradox is the most fundamental shortcoming you'll find in TRP/Manosphere/etc. "I won't have anything to do with a girl who won't put out immediately, but all the girls I know are loser slut whores." It's everywhere.
ShitArchonXPR 9y ago
TIL there's a term for that. Thank you.
They basically are asking that men be promiscuous, but women be pure and virginal. Heartiste says that women go crazy when not "barefoot and pregnant," and then proceeds to have lots of extramarital non-reproductive sex.
moonmania 9y ago
Heh. There's a term for it now, because I just invented one. Hey, maybe it'll catch on. I think it's a good one; spread it around.
Anyway, Heartiste is probably right. Our ancestral environment was such that human females needed to be pregnant much of their fertile lives just to raise a few healthy children to maturity, so it would make sense for there to be a certain...instability...to compel them to do so. It's possible (even likely) that contraception screws with this in such a way that a woman's primal instincts interpret her LTR boyfriend or husband's failing to impregnate her as a "pull the emergency eject and abort" signal of infertility. If you're with a woman and you fail to impregnate her for years, there's gotta be something wrong with you...right? (Is there any creature lower in a woman's eyes than an impotent man?)
ShitArchonXPR 9y ago
I'll dig up the post for context, and you can decide for yourself if he really knows what he's talking about.
/r/childfree would beg to differ. Ever since I was a kid I found dogs cute and infants...not cute, let's put it that way.
User-31f64a4e 9y ago
Excellent post.
I'm sure the excitement is part of it, but I think there's a more important dynamic at work. Ego.
In that party lifestyle, things revolve around her. Guys are trying to get into her pants, and they're doing things for her, taking her places, catering to her. It's not just the thrill, it's that she's the center of attention. One of the centers of attention, anyway.
Trust me; nothing is like catnip for a woman like being the center of attention. Even the ones that aren't clinical narcissists, are narcissistic.
To be honest, I can't blame them. Hausfrau vs. party girl with orbiters and constant thrills, I know which sounds better to me. It's just that, I am able to move on from the past.
NilacTheGrim 9y ago
Don't even pump too much. You may end up deluded that she's not really like that and possibly suffer wasteful complications later with her.
TitsAndWhiskey 9y ago
I've started using the line "But that's in the past, that's not who I am any more!" Or variants to that effect when a girl starts pushing for a relationship. You can see the hurt in their eyes. It's beautiful.
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If a girl has more than 2 drinks in one sitting then she is not LTR material
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TheWeepingMan 9y ago
To be fair, as a man in a committed (and happy) relationship, this is something that's sitting in the back of my mind too: Not going out anymore to make out with other girls and to take one of your choice home once in a while and having a fresh pussy. But then again, this isn't just something with girls: Everything's more exciting when you do it the first time.
But alas, that's life and the benefits of a good relationship - for me - still outweigh the fun of being single by factor 10. But I guess that IS part of growing up. https://vimeo.com/12541145
Fetish_Goth 9y ago
They're fun as hell to play with, tho.
Rawrination 9y ago
Ahh ze wall. So many a seemingly wonderful woman near the wall. How do we as RP Men who "pump-and-dump" and are therefore contributing to the party life of women, find a woman to actually "settle down with" ?
AmazingFlightLizard 9y ago
Well, believe, for one, if you're from the States or certain parts of Europe, you have to be willing to outsource. Not only outsource, but probably go there yourself. And stay. I don't think a lot of places with Westernized culture are conducive to "settling down with" just about any of them. Sure, they can be friggin hot, but that's not what you asked about.
the99percent1 9y ago
You don't... Rotate plates. If one presents itself as a suitable ltr, i.e. is feminine, submissive, doesn't shit test or questions your leadership then she might be good enough to settle down with.
Don't count on it though..
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I bet 97%-99% of men offer no leadership worth following. Look around it isn't only women who are a fkn mess these days. People's lives are built on a foundation of shifting sand when tested.
truthiesttruth 9y ago
You have 3 options for finding a wife:
Court her when she is young. Its not flawless as the party lifestyle begins in highschool, we all know it, we all did it, just accept it. If you can get exposure to these young women, your chances of finding one that hasnt had the sanity fucked right out of her skull by mr t. cocke is much higher.
Accept AWALT, marry her based soley on her ability raise children and just keep fucking your plates. Its my personal belief that this option is far more common than society readily admits.
AntixD 9y ago
option 2 is true,in most cultures
VancouverSucks 9y ago
Mr. T cocke I almost choked on my beer. Lol
Dis_mah_mobile_one 9y ago
My thoughts exactly; I don't really see any reason to LTR bedsides raising a family.
kevkos 9y ago
LTR, yes. Marriage. NO.
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totorox 9y ago
Sigh. Story of my love life.
foldpak111 9y ago
I remember reading that rant haha omg just destroyed 80% of women
VancouverSucks 9y ago
Red pill us blowing my mind tonight.
kevkos 9y ago
She will also age a lot faster than someone who took care of themselves during their 20's. The party girls have a blast for a few years and then quickly go downhill and scramble to lock down a guy into marriage.
It's a sad world for these women actually, and for the guys they marry. Pam Anderson has the same history. This all stems from bad childhoods and growing up in a fucked up world.
Just means we need to screen our LTRs like crazy. Actions need to have consequences.
favours_of_the_moon 9y ago
"Just a taste," and the HERE and NOW is the most important thing to her. She's not mulling over the consequences.
redpillschool Admin 9y ago
I've always maintained by the time they're drinking age, they're ruined for life. Once they know the attention they can pull from thirsty men at a bar, there's no going back.
sealteamaus 9y ago
its really sad how corrupted women are, an innocent beauty is worth killing for.
cariboo_j 9y ago
no one is worth killing for. Especially not some self absorbed teenage girl.
FunAndFreedom 9y ago
The innocence is nice, but the women have already been surrounded with fantasies of being alpha widowed. After you take their virginity AWALT starts to apply. Don't kill for something so fleeting as innocence.
deaduponaviral 9y ago
Everybody's got a hole fill. Its just a matter of what they fill it with and whether or not they bury themselves in it.
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totorox 9y ago
Thing is, you dont become an adult after the biological clock time for that has passed. You either do it when exiting your teenage years, or never.
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totorox 9y ago
How is 'stopping doing drugs' equal to 'becoming an adult'?
Apparently you never grew much logic.
It makes you mature, but that's not enough to qualify either. Teens have children too. It makes them more mature, but it doesnt make them adult.
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The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. In this case you're talking about getting legally entangled with someone who has a history of fucking dudes that she perceives as higher value than you. Chances are she's going to get bored of you and dump you/cheat on you.
No, OP is saying "don't invite law breakers and addicts to live in your house with access to your finances and community property rights".
riding_stoned 9y ago
In conservative cultures, your assertion would be rephrased as:
"If a woman is no longer a virgin, she's no longer suitable for an LTR."
If he's even halfway competent, the first man is special, whether or not the guy is an alpha. Arnold Schwarzenegger couldn't top him as far as she's concerned. For her you'll never be able to match the "tingles" of the "first time".
Calling her an "alpha widow" is a matter of our own male insecurity.
YOU_ARE_A_TOY 9y ago
I agree, riding_stoned. A secure man knows his worth coming into the relationship, regardless of if the woman is a virgin or not. If she's a smart, self-confident woman (which I assume most RP men want) then chances are, she's had sex, and she still knows her worth.
If a woman's virginity is what makes a relationship worth while to a man, then he needs to do more work on himself.
trphardmode 9y ago
People on TRP get so butthurt about this stance:
"B-Bu-But my LTR wasn't a virgin and she has absolutely zero emotional connection to the man who deflowered her."
Bullshit - AWALT. Every cock she has submitted to that isn't yours makes her love you less, you're compromising the chances of your future happiness unless you follow the golden rule: "No Hymen, No Diamond."
riding_stoned 9y ago
You and I are saying exactly the same thing. People seem to be misunderstanding my post!
Omn1c1d3 9y ago
Is there like a list of Red Flags we could add to sidebar?
cocaine_face 9y ago
That's not a bad idea. I'll add that to "posts I intend to write when I have time to do quality writing and if someone doesn't beat me to it first"
Omn1c1d3 9y ago
Its just a list. At least thats the first step. That would help a lot of people. Ill make a thread maybe and people can just add to list and it can be consolidated later
hagenvontronje 9y ago
The Dude once said "How you gonna keep em down on the farm once they've met Karl Hungus" playing off the title of a song called "How Ya Gonna Keep 'em Down on the Farm (After They've Seen Paree?)"
The song was about soldiers coming back from WWI and not being eager to take over the family farm. But both lines are true when applied to women who are able to highly capitalize on their youthful beauty. Good post, aptway.
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john_robert 9y ago
Seems like 'party world' as described would apply to all relatively big universities. Is the consensus here that all college educated girls since the proliferation of text messaging should be plated without exception? That's a large swath of the female dating market.
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JayViceroy 9y ago
It's sad how oblivious you are to reality. Good luck.
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cocaine_face 9y ago
Care to contribute anything constructive yourself then?
Please, bathe us in your wisdom.
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cocaine_face 9y ago
Ok, best of luck then.
Perhaps you'd like to read a bit and try some stuff out and see how it goes for you (you know, as a science experiment) and report back.