Intro: I made a comment on why TRP tells people to lift weights in a previous post that many people seemed to like (113 points) and decided to make it a post. Don't let the bold titles make you believe that this post is cliche mainstream advice. They're there for formatting purposes.
Everyone is Capable
Lifting is often the first advice given here because anybody can do it, there is little to no barrier to entry. A gym membership or the cost of home weight set perhaps. Perhaps even use bags of rocks and weight them with a scale.
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TRP Focuses on What You Can Control
I won't lie to you, a good looking face is a factor in SMV, but there's not much you can do about it. You're limited with your face: get a new haircut, clean up your facial hair, wash your face, and get enough sleep. If your face is chubby, do cardio. But here at TRP, we focus on things you have immediate control over; nothing more so than your body. Everything from the neck below is under your control.
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It's measurable, visually and numerically.
- Strength: Can you lift more lb/kg s than you did last session?
- Physique: Look in the mirror. Are you more swole than before?
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Guaranteed Results for the Willing
If you push your limits and consume lots of protein, you will get bigger, you will get stronger. This is especially true for beginners. You will get what are called, 'newb gains'. To this day, I still have stretch marks from the very first day I went to the gym my sophomore year in high school.
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Will Boost Your Self-Esteem
It may suck at first when you can't lift much, but after hitting 185lb/84kg on the bench, 225lb/102kg on the squat, and 315lb/143kg on the deadlift, you'll look forward to it for no other reason than because it's visually appealing to see the extra plate.
It feels great knowing with every five pounds you add to the bar, you're better than you were yesterday, you're better than someone else. You'll look in the mirror during and after your workout, seeing all that pump, boosting your ego quite nicely. As a matter of fact, I often do a few bench presses and curls after my routine just to leave the gym with some pump. Feels fuckin' awesome. You'll get to the point where you know you're awesome. You know your body is attractive. You know you're better than many others.
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Generates Confidence
Being stronger gives you confidence. You won't have to fake it because subconsciously, you know you can lift a lot of weight. For every five pounds of iron you can lift, that is 5 more pounds of burden you can handle, 5 more pounds of an attacker you can fend off. It is a true sense of power. This confidence will manifest itself into everything else in your life, and other people will notice it.
- "I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts." - Henry Rollins
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You'll Receive More Respect
All mammals know one language: size. People will respect you more. Not in the socioeconomic sense, but out of caution. People don't only refrain from bullying and violence because they won't win, but because they won't come out unscathed. Although not always an accurate indicator of strength, it's a good deterrent. Less people will attempt to push you around. People will defer to you more in social situations. People will assume you have self-respect.
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Life's Problems Vanish
During your workout, many to all problems in life become unimportant, if only for a moment. You'll be too caught up in the moment focusing on your technique and physique, setting up the next weights, visualizing your next set, or just too tired to give a fuck about anything else. After pushing yourself on 5x5 squats or going all out on the deadlifts, nothing in your day will compare
When falling asleep, it isn't clear what point you crossover into unconsciousness. Where is the divide? While deadlifting one day, I almost passed out at the top of the lift while maxxing out. I saw the 'divide'. I could feel myself asymptotically approaching it, using all my will to avoid it. It's like a room with a line on the floor and the 3d space behind it is a portal of blackness.
I didn't faint.
After taking a shower, I was in bliss. Nothing could bother me. Nothing could compare to the struggle I just experienced. There's nothing as stressful and energy taxing as repeatedly lifting over 400lbs off the floor.
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Pussy
If you're having trouble with women, I have one question for you? Do you even lift? Doust thou even hoist? Don't go around complaining that girls aren't giving you attention on TRP when you haven't even picked up the weights yet. You'd like a girl with a thigh gap, squat butt, and a slim waist, but guess what? That girl wants a man with muscles. All women prefer a man with muscles, not just bar sluts. Any girl that says otherwise either doesn't believe she can acquire such a man, or is spouting out nonsense to see what guy actually believes it. Don't ever believe in the 'dad bod'. Anyone who says women don't like those muscley guys has never had muscles. Period. It is possible your female relatives and acquaintances, a girlfriend/wife, or your current friends say lifting isn't necessary and that "you're fine just the way you are". Do not listen to gainz goblins. Shoo gainz goblin shoo!
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It's a Philosophy
Lifting is about more than pussy; it's a philosophy. It's so much more, but you have to stick with it to understand that. That link above is the essay, "The Iron and The Soul" by Henry Rollins. It's mandatory reading. If there were ever sidebar material about lifting, this would be it. I've never seen such a poetic appraisal about lifting weights. This essay oozes with RP material that we attempt to teach here: Self-Improvement, self-respect, doing things for yourself, confidence, masculinity, goal reaching and many other topics other than inter-gender dynamics that are just as important, if not more in life. Read it. Want some preselection? The essay received 490+ points when I shared it here.
- "It took me years to fully appreciate the value of the lessons I have learned from the Iron. I used to think that it was my adversary, that I was trying to lift that which does not want to be lifted. I was wrong. When the Iron doesn’t want to come off the mat, it’s the kindest thing it can do for you. If it flew up and went through the ceiling, it wouldn’t teach you anything. That’s the way the Iron talks to you. It tells you that the material you work with is that which you will come to resemble. That which you work against will always work against you."
Weightlifting Routine (Starting Point)
There are many different routines and pieces of advice across the internet, but I'm going to give you the most basic of them all that has proven results. You will progress to other routines for other muscle groups eventually, but this is a great place to start.
Strong Lifts 5x5 (This guy can squat and deadlift over 400lbs)
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5 sets of 5 reps. Add 5lbs next session. Nothing complicated. No excuse for not starting today.
- Mark Rippetoe on Squat Technique
- Mark Rippetoe on Bench Technique
- Mark Rippetoe on Dead Lift Technique
- Notice: Don't let anyone tell you heavy lifting is bad for you. Complete horseshit. There is no one who can lift any considerable amount of weight that will tell you this. Most people that say it's bad for you are women and men that look like this. It's an indirect shaming tactic used by shit testing women and the mediocre.
Stay Away From Planet Fitness
That place is for pussies. They have 'lunk' alarms that go off if you grunt. They have banned deadlifts and removed squat racks because they're 'intimidating'. Sometimes they even remove the bench press. You will get kicked out for doing these things. Go on youtube and see.
- PF Bans the Deadlift
- PF Removes Squat Racks
- PF Removes Bench Press
- Lunk Alarm: "Planet Fitness Hi Billy - The LunkTM Alarm is something we have in all of our locations nationwide, as part of who we are and what makes us different. A LunkTM is someone who grunts, drops weights or judges. This alarm goes off when someone is grunting at the gym, drops weights or is judging others/making others feel uncomfortable. At Planet Fitness, we do not cater to bodybuilders, dropping weights, or grunting. We want our members to feel comfortable in a non-intimidating atmosphere. We are about general fitness, and most of our members are in fact first time users of a gym. Thanks for your question!"
Q&A From My Last Post
1) What is a compound lift?
- Answer: Lift that involves multiple muscle groups. Explanation, here
2) What is your diet like dr_warlock?
- Answer: Eggs, peanut butter, rice, milk, potatoes, oatmeal, and lots of dead animals.
3) Do you do 5x5 for all lifts?
- Answer: I do 5x5 for the compound exercises, and sets of 8 for isolation exercises (ie: curls)
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Notice: Anything else about diet, supplements, advanced techniques, go to /u/GayLubeOil. He's certified and provides free skype consultations.
Motivation
Even people who've been lifting awhile can enjoy these, especially the deadlift one.
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Squat Motivation ('mirin this guy's legs)
- Overhead Press Motivation (502lb/228kg Power clean and straight press)
Conclusion: Pick up the weights today.
Read more: The Deadlift and Me: One man's ritual to achieve transcendence by /u/dr_warlock
Read more: Blood Sacrifice to the Iron Gods by /u/GayLubeOil
rpscrote 9y ago
BEGONE FOUL BEASTS, LEAVE ME AND BROTHER IRON IN PEACE!
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
I can vouch by way of FR for the idea that the confidence you get from consistently lifting heavy will seep into other areas of your life and will be noticed.
I started lifting and was very consistent for 6 months. In that time I acquired plates and ONSs - admittedly as I had before lifting - but it was easier and I also noticed a lot more attention from the attractive women around me (uni). In particular, a HB8.5 actually did that 14 year old girl thing of telling her friend to let me know she liked me, whilst pretending that she wasn't supposed to be telling me this. I'm not gonna lie, I felt pretty smug because until then I had simply regarded her as out of my league. I've seen photos of her mum and sister and believe me she has hit the genetic jackpot. If I was still entertaining the idea of marriage, she'd depreciate much, much slower and less than your average bimbo.
At the end of that 6 months though I sustained a serious injury in the gym. As a result I haven't lifted in 2 months (and it could be another 2 months). Now that electrifying buzz I got from watching myself grow stronger and bigger has dissipated and I miss it far more than I miss any woman I've had in my life.
I'd probably sacrifice a testicle to be able to lift forever without any future injuries or derailments.
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Ibex3D 9y ago
Fuck that. Overhead press her!
MoneyStatusLooks 9y ago
I upvote this after kicking a chick out my place. I escalated from having her straddle me on the sofa, to just picking her up, putting her on my shoulder and carrying her to the bedroom. It's manly as fuck, and attractive.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Yeah I always got comments about my protracted scapula when I was younger and really thin. Made me feel really shitty. I've packed on quite a bit of muscle, and you can no longer see my scapula. Not sure if the weights fixed my posture or there's just a lot of muscle covering it haha.
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redpillbanana 9y ago
My go-to move is the Superman Carry to the bed. When I lift my date off of the couch, she usually starts to protest and says that I'll hurt myself. Once she realizes that she's as light as air for me, she usually puts her arms around my neck and starts kissing me as we walk to the bedroom. This really turns me on as well - by the time we get to the bed, we're basically ripping each other's clothes off.
__var 9y ago
Superman carry: Look at that smile.
Whisper 9y ago
Fireman's Carry is good, Superman Carry is good, I use both, but my favorite is the Hand Chair.
When you bend down to kiss her, just grab her ass with both hands and pick her up. Her legs will wrap around you, because there's nowhere else for them to go, and she's worried about falling. But you just hold her like that. The feel of your hands on her, and the dawning realization that this just keeps going and you're not getting tired... it drives women wild.
secretmonkeyassassin 9y ago
That's my move too.
And, if you can fuck her like that too, her will is yours. Enjoy it.
nzgs 9y ago
The Superman carry is best done with a superset into girl-curls. It's always a winning combination.
The ultimate giant set though is girl-curls > girl-overhead press > superman carry to bed.
redpillbanana 9y ago
I'm definitely going to have to work on my girl-OHP. Girl-curls are fun, though.
If you can do a girl Turkish getup, you're definitely badass.
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Guys are good. I use carry that I do not know a name for.
Whilst faced towards each other, I kneel down a bit and wrap my hand around (under) her ass. From there I lift her straight up and walk under her so she falls on my shoulder.
I like this lift because it can be done quickly (specially if you are judoka hehe) and when I bring her to the bed I can gently slam her on the mattress in a position from which her legs kind of naturally swing up and behind her so if I am fast I mingle between her legs after throwing her.
Bonus is if she have a skirt so you start licking her suddenly, instant moaning.
Jani1157 9y ago
That's the Kharl Drogo lol
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TRPn00b 9y ago
Also be careful not to hit their head on the doorjamb.
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redpillbanana 9y ago
This is a legit concern. I usually turn sideways and use her feet to push open the door.
NightGod 9y ago
This is why I switched to Fireman's Carry. I got tired of having to slow down to make it through doorways.
loin_fruit 9y ago
Since working out, I've been complimented on my posture and how I walk around now. With more confidence and with more attitude.
I think deadlifts have been the number one main thing that has helped out of all the lifts.
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TheThingsIThink 9y ago
I would second squats over deads for getting right, esp if your getting low in the hole
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changshuaidiao 9y ago
This is only sort of true. Lifting wrong or having an imbalanced routine can massively fuck your posture. Whatever you do to the front you have to do to the back. If you work just your chest, tris, and bis like a lot of guys do, you might increase those numbers, but youre going to end up with with your shoulders locked forward, forward head posture, and a nice thoracic hump to go with it.
Make sure you factor asthetics into your routine and and work out your weakest link extra hard. Any damage you do to your posture/spine requires as much time to fix as it took to fuck up. Not saying don't lift. Definitely lift. Just make sure you spend the time to know what you're doing.
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Really? Poor form on bicep curls means you're lifting with your upper back. Is it really that easy to fuck up or are you just fear mongering?
rpscrote 9y ago
he's not fuckin around. I took my shoulder out of comission for over 4 months because I didn't do an equal amount of rowing motions to match my pressing motions. This shit will happen to you too.
Stay balanced or you will get injured and set yourself back for months.
changshuaidiao 9y ago
Not so much about form on any given exercise as it is over development of certain muscle groups, particularly the chest, in favor of others. Lifting is great, but don't do it without a plan, go hard on chest day, and skip back/leg day because doing so can be the cause of posture problems.
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don't agree at all, frankly. you'll be just fine if you do that.
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rpscrote 9y ago
Can happen even then. I have good bench form. But I still injured my shoulder during incline barbell bench press because I didnt do enough rows and I didnt stretch enough. I did rows, 3x8 reverse pyramid Pendlay rows slightly less frequently than chest. And I got injured.
The injury has finally healed because I did a combination of 1) Shoulder dislocations stretch. (Stretch your shit boys), 2) huge increase in back day rigor. Added dedicated 3x10 isolation moves for rear delts, added in 3x8 back flyes and this is after 3x8 Pendlay Rows reverse pyramid and 3x5 reverse pyramid one arm rows. I do this day once for every chest day and once for every shoulder day to match them equally.
dr_warlock 9y ago
They'll say, "no, i'm too heavy". (dr_warlock scoops them up with ease, throws them on shoulders with hand on butt by 'accident'). They love it.
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rpscrote 9y ago
thats probably because tall chicks are ridiculously over sensitive and insecure about their height. Tall chicks are easy mode if you can make them feel small. Which requires the attitude and strength. You nailed it.
FrameWalker 9y ago
How to pickup a girl:
1) train so body can squat 225 easily
2) grab girls butt 3) carry girl away
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Whisper 9y ago
It's not just about being strong enough to pick them up. It's about having the extra strength to not get tired after it goes on for a while.
wtfomg77 9y ago
When I was relatively weak and untrained, I carried a girl home (superman style), it was about a 4 minute walk. She was almost knocked out drunk so she was pretty much dead weight. She's was a light girl and I made it, but I will admit I was getting pretty tired towards the end. But any guy, unless he is extremely weak from high levels of atrophy, can superman carry most thin/fit girls for at least a minute or two without much effort
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Playboy_Manbaby 9y ago
Your weak as fuck right now? Well I can only DL 150lbs at the moment, don't think I'm much stronger than most women.
NightGod 9y ago
LOL, most women can't do anything with 150lbs in a gym. MAYBE a leg press. Maybe.
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NightGod 9y ago
The best is when you get your core strength built up enough that you can flip her off of you just by lifting up your hips. Drives them INSANE.
Playboy_Manbaby 9y ago
Thanks for the tips man, I can probably carry most of the girls I know and I can carry some of the lads I'm friends with, but when I get to the weights I just don't seem as strong, but I'm making good progress with my lifting anyway, and TRP has been a massive help.
suiradx 9y ago
If you're just starting out, it takes a little bit of time(probably like a month or so if you are consistent) to properly condition your muscles and build up basic endurance. I i just got back into lifting and remember in highschool weight training class and easily lifting 45s on bench, but when i just started again(solo) i had to use just 2 10 plates. Just keep at it. Im almost bsck to where i was at about a month and a half of consistent gym.
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Playboy_Manbaby 9y ago
Thanks man, I suppose something to always remember is that as weak as I am I'm probably stronger than at least 3 billion people. Kinda puts things in perspective.
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TheThingsIThink 9y ago
ive only seen one girl deadlift more than 135 IRL and that was my ex-wife, because I made her.
rpscrote 9y ago
got a gal friend of mine who competes that just pulled 325 single at like 135lbs. Insane shit
Playboy_Manbaby 9y ago
Well that makes me feel a lit better, but its nothing to brag about.
redpillbanana 9y ago
I've seen tiny girls deadlift 2 plates. They were definitely trained, though, and it helps to be short when deadlifting.
Ibex3D 9y ago
Saw a chick reping 185 for 3 on bench next to me once. Some girls are fucking strong.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Girls shouldn't be benching, makes their boobs disappear because tits are mostly made of fat.
tresconik 9y ago
Spot fat reduction is a myth.
cleftscout 9y ago
Shit how much do you weigh? I like to think its all about body weight percentage when it comes to lifts. But that's because I'm small.
Playboy_Manbaby 9y ago
I'm skinny fat as fuck. I'd say I weigh around 10 stone but I'm not sure I have to buy a scales. I can only squat about 90-100lbs but thats good compared to what I was able to do around Christmas. I spent that last 18 years of my life letting my genes go to waste. All my uncles and brothers are strong as fuck and have hams for hand, but I'm puny as fuck
cleftscout 9y ago
Have you tried at a serious max? After 18 years of no activity, I started at 136 lbs (about 10 stone) and benched 125 my first day, 255 DL when I first felt confident in my form a week after starting (lol) and a 195 squat.
Make sure you get your nutrition in order, in the past 8 months, I've added 60 lbs onto each lift.
Playboy_Manbaby 9y ago
My nutrition is garbage and so is my sleep so that's got a lot to do with it. My joints are kinda iffy too from lack of use. I think if I improved my core and my flexibility I could raise my DL to about 180lbs at least. Edit: also on my max, I've never actually tried to gauge my max properly, I only deadlift after doing a hard workout first so I might do that the next day I'm deadlifting
cleftscout 9y ago
Get on nutrition first. Make sure you're not only eating enough, but eating what will make you grow muscle instead of just grow. I weigh about 150 and hope to dead lift 295 for two tomorrow.
NightGod 9y ago
Core work makes the rest of your life better. Better posture, no more sore backs, better sex. Planks are the shit.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Never ever work your core before you plan to deadlift or squat. You need the bracing support to prevent spinal loading. Work your core on arm or chest day.
My first ever time in the gym and I deadlifted around 200lb weighing 125lb. You should be able to get around that with proper form.
Also, eat heaps of high calorie food and gain weight. Dirty bulk if you have to. Make sure you get clean sources too though. Not all donuts and chips. Even if you gain lots of fat, your strength will still increase exponentially.
Your squat is probably weak because your form is incorrect. Get a coach or someone who knows there shit to watch you do it. Squats are what stimulates growth and T levels, and make boys into men.
Hope this helps.
NeinAmusedMonkey 9y ago
TLDR of Planet Fitness
TRP_Minor 9y ago
Meanwhile, in Planet Fitness...
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Haha that slogan makes it even better.
'We won't judge you - while you lazily trod on the treadmill at 2km's/hr stuffing your face with jam donuts and watching desperate housewives'
TRP_Minor 9y ago
You have to hand it to them, they know how to reel in their target audience.
gzcl 9y ago
True fact, I lifted weights once and then had sex twice.
SlimCharles209 9y ago
I don't normally write on here, as I just read and read. I recently made the decision to take my own life back into my hands and stop buying into the bullshit we all see out there.
This is a great post and I'm starting to lift tonight. Thank you.
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SlimCharles209 9y ago
Well when I went home over the weekend, I didn't have one set in mind. So I sorta cheated / went with my own way.
Took the P90X program, did the first 30-35 minutes of the first disc, which is mostly stretching and the like. Right after, I got some weights from Walmart, and started doing 1-2 reps of the same ones found on :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP2g3Sj3qSw
So after Friday, I was only able to do 2, maybe 3. Kept it up all weekend, got up to 3 reps on each and I'm hoping that after a day or two, I can up it to 4.
Dedication / willpower has always been my biggest weakness, but not anymore. I'm going to do this every day so I can come in here and talk with you guys about all the other RP principles I have been reading up on.
So been going 3 days strong and I can't wait to get home tonight to start up again!
I_is_the_best 9y ago
Naaah. Weight loss is 90% of diet. Go high protein & eliminate as much carbs as you can.
WardlyHasted 9y ago
I've made this point before on another thread about why we preach weightlifting, but I'll say it again.
If you are lifting and are in good shape, you're part of a "control" group so to speak. Basically, if you're ripped, you know that's not what's preventing you from picking up women.
TRP is about male sexual strategy after all, so if you take two groups of men -- one group in great shape, the other not so much -- all other things held equal, the men in shape will score better with women.
If you're in great shape and are still struggling to get laid, it's probably a lack of game, lack of abundance mentality, lack of status etc. Lifting allows you check off that box for things that might be wrong. Often lifting alone is enough to improve a man's SMV to a point where he can easily attract women.
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Okay, two things. Somewhat unrelated to the post as a whole, but this seems like a poor business model over the long term. Sure, SAHM flock in on new years day, buy a membership, then never come again, but isnt it better in the long term to have a loyal following of members who come in regularly and will provide a steady revenue stream? I will never understand how people can drop $50 bucks a month on a gym membership then not go. Maybe I'm just frugal but it seems like a poor choice.
Second thing, I feel that lifting has to somewhat take precedence over other bullshit to have long term results. Personally, I go every day for 90 minutes +/-. I hate seeing all these faggots whining about how they aren't seeing results when they only go twice a week for 20 minutes. Newsflash: that doesn't work. In the words of ronnie coleman: "Everyone wants to get big, but no one wants to lift no heavy ass weights."
freethinker34 9y ago
Great advice. I think the key is resistance exercise, whether it be lifting weights, or lifting your own bodyweight. I have been lifting weights and doing bodyweight exercises for about 15 years now. I have found that doing both is best, but when you want to prevent overuse injuries like bad knees or elbows, you are better off doing bodyweight exercises than lifting. The biggest and most ripped Ive gotten is from doing about 80% bodyweight and 20% lifting, and my joints felt better than ever. Just some advice for anyone looking to stay in this long term, I think both lifting and bodyweight are good, but I think bodyweight is better for your body long term especially if you plan on doing resistance exercise for 20+ years.
87GNX 9y ago
Somewhat off-topic, but I'd recommend any of the several planet fitness lunk alarm prank call videos on YT. Those guys get trolled
akkura28 9y ago
Great post OP. It's a very uselful resource, kind of a 'memorandum" to refer to when in need of motivation as to why lifting is good.
I have a question, but I have to make premise at first. I live in a small town in Italy and there is only one gym which is decently equipped and thus the only one I have access to. The question regards the fact that the owners (and the only personal trainers) don't like the idea that I do StrongLifts 5X5 plus some other exercises I do to improve my biceps. They, of course, allow me to train (because I pay the fee) but they alway give me such dirty looks as I am doing something against them. They say they won't even look at "programs taken from the web". I have this sensation as though they are trying to discourage me, to take me down and do their programs instead. I was wondering if someone has had the same experience and how they've dealt with it. Personally, I try to stay focused and don't give a f**k about it.
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akkura28 9y ago
How have you dealt with it? I just don't care about but it affects a little the training environment.
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akkura28 9y ago
That's the right attitude, bro. Nothing to whine about, just another sacrifice for the Iron Gods!
dr_warlock 9y ago
Because you're doing it for free. DIY is the enemy of the service industry.
Continue doing your lifts, fuck 'em.
akkura28 9y ago
Thanks, man! Solid advice. Yes, fuck 'em. I won't bend down to their will. I do what I want, not what I'm told. Neither I'll act beta and follow their programs. You bros here at the TRP have taught me to put myself first and I won't take shit from anybody.
Wamaeno 9y ago
So... That's why you ask for advice to follow? You are doing the exact opposite of what you write in your post. Congratulations!
CashFrags 9y ago
and lots of dead animals
^I'm ^glad ^to ^know ^I'm ^not ^the ^only ^one ^who ^refers ^to ^my ^meat ^as ^dead ^animals.
Solid advice, I currently don't lift because I have no available means but I do crazy amounts of pushups and situps alongside my daily jogs until I'm back at school and have access to that glorious temple that is the gym.
billcosbyeatsbabies 9y ago
Fucking truth right here. Calisthenics/chinup bar is a poor mans best friend for working out. Builds a naturally conditioned body as well.
blandwondersock 9y ago
Personally I wouldn't waste my time with sit-ups. They're probably not good for your back and don't actually contribute to anything. Work towards a real goal like a front lever, L-Sit etc. You'll improve your core strength way more in less time. You can maintain and even build on your strength and physique even without a gym.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Check out janda situps. It's basically doing a situp whilst contracting your hamstrings (I use a mobility band), which negates the hip flexors and reduces load on your spine and isolates the core. 10x harder than a regular sit-up if performed correctly.
dennislang 9y ago
Also planks. Train your core isometrically, like you're supposed to.
NightGod 9y ago
Planks are the exercise of the gods when it comes to a strong core. Not something you get to show off very often (though I had fun at a con once where they had a booth where they wanted people do try to do some different exercises and you got some stupid little prize or the other-they wanted people to do a 2 minute plank and it was amusing rocking a superman plank while all the other fat bodies were dropping out after 20 seconds), but they make everything else fit right.
CashFrags 9y ago
Will google the front lever and L-Sit never heard anything about sit ups doing damage to my back, but I'm game for a change up anyways sit-ups are fucking boring.
all_the_right_moves 9y ago
sit-ups are indeed bad for your back, they wear your discs out.
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Casanova-Quinn 9y ago
Speaking of pushing air out, the stomach vacuum exercise is essential for godly aesthetics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDx1xfSobG4
CashFrags 9y ago
This is fucking glorious, I just tried it much more difficult can see it working your abs much harder will be doing this from now on.
Another user had mentioned you shouldn't be doing sit-ups as they damage the back this remedy that?
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TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
It's from the hip flexors being engaged. People don't realize it, but it's what contributes to 99% of lower back strain when working the core. Look up Janda situps. Completely isolates the core.
CashFrags 9y ago
Yeah i couldn't do nearly as much of these ones and i felt it worked my abs that much harder.
Thank you mr. Lube you done changed the game.
pourneTrilogy 9y ago
An added bonus: the people you meet. Sure 90% are post wall women or curl monkeys but outside of that, they are usually more redpilled and knowledgeable. Its a great way to connect with people who share a similar approach to life.
Also the more expensive and specific gyms such as crossfit, mma and olympic lifting act as a third space in life - a communal space between work and home, which modern american life sorely lacks.
AquanautST 9y ago
The fact there is resistance to your improvement, note as evidence of growth not only physically but also psychologically. I remember the soft-hate in the begaining, do not waver. Consider the F*ing alternative, they"" wont cut my nuts off NEVER !
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aditas 9y ago
Swole? How swole 16's 18's?
ValarMorghulis90 9y ago
Best part in the first video: comparing the female psyche with an image of Sharknado.
Sawagurumi 9y ago
I'm fully onboard with your prescription, Dr, but there is a problem. I'm a hard gainer (maybe that should be ssllloooowwww gainer), which is downright disheartening. I remember back in college days, a couple of close friends used the gym a few days a week, and in a couple of months put on massive amounts of muscle. I was convinced they were taking steroids, because I had done the same for a long time and saw next to nothing. Much later, I learned that they were not unusual, I am. I did P90x a couple of years ago, exhausted myself an hour a day six days a week. Some increase in tone, no actual building.
Clearly it can build. In my teens and 20s I rode a bike a lot, in mountainous country. All my holidays were cycle camping tours, and just riding around I would always push it. Result, very well muscled legs to this day. A few years ago I took up archery. I use the heaviest bow in the club, and I can see now that my shoulders are definitely much more developed, and I guess my back muscles must be stronger because I have no problem shooting a powerful bow for some hours whereas other guys think it is pretty heavy. This is what I cling to: that I can make gains, but boy it takes a looong time.
However, if anyone else has advice on how to speed up the process, I'm all ears.
GASTON_TONNERRECOQ 9y ago
You may not be eating and/or resting enough. Gains come not from lifting heavy weights, but recovering from lifting heavy weights. Then again, you don't say explicitly that you were lifting weights, so it could be that.
Sawagurumi 9y ago
One of the guys I actually shared a flat with, and we took it in turns to cook, so we ate the same things. At various times I have been an active member of a gym, it appears (unless it is just marketing) that people do P90x and get significant results in that 3 months, and over the last couple of years I have just worked out at home, with bodyweight, kettlebells, and clubbells.
I think diet is part of it, because at times I have counted, and it is actually pretty hard for me to get to 2000 kcals per day, I am normally less. But as I say, even when I know I was eating the same as someone else, he just went through the roof, and I get nothing, so there is a genetic component here.
GASTON_TONNERRECOQ 9y ago
yep, you weren't eating enough. calculate your TDEE and eat 120% of that amount with a focus on protein. if you are young and scrawny, consider GOMAD.
Primemale 9y ago
That Lunk alarm is the faggiest thing I've heard of with regard to gyms, god I hate some of the shit in America. No men should train there, ever. Also don't train with women, or even another man unless he's serious and you push each other to train harder than you would other wise.
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It's just a business. Who does a gym want buying their memberships - the bodybuilder who's going to be in the power rack for an hour every day, or the New Years resolution cardio bunny who'll show up once during their year long membership?
Dumb as shit, but smart business.
GC0W30 9y ago
There are 100% consumers who want what those guys are selling.
My ex complained about or avoided literally every single thing that PF is banning.
We tried going to the gym together. Freaked out when I tried to take her to the part with free weights/benches. Complained about the sound from drops/grunting... etc.
If she was still my problem and a PF membership would get her ass in there so she would at least do cardio and get her weight under control, a membership would be a great investment.
anonlymouse 9y ago
This is stupid. If you're going to suggest something for people with no money, callisthenics is the way to go.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
Anytime I see an HB7+ with a guy who has anything from a dad bod to morbidly obese, I just automatically assume he's beta bucks.
Don't be beta bucks. Lift.
TheRealMouseRat 9y ago
some people think that lifting is just to get girls. however, lifting is for health, girls, and most importantly of all; respect from everyone, whether you're interested in them sexually or not.
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dr_warlock 9y ago
Tupperware at work
I want to be better than others.
I remember I switched from TV dinners, pizza, and fast food to home made eggs and fresh meat from the grocery store. Big difference. TV dinners and anything more than half a soda can now make me feel disgusting.
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blandwondersock 9y ago
Unless you're an absolute physical embarrassment when you start, no you don't. Within a year of consistent training you will already be much stronger and much bigger. I would argue that in 2 years you can have a decent physique.
"Success in fitness" is not having a fitness related instagram account with 100k followers. It's being strong, fast, athletic and aesthetic. You do not need an "unhealthy obsession" to be these things. You need to have basic discipline in order to train consistently and play sports.
This reads like a post from a girl on social media who started working out 6 months ago as in now "competing." What's with all this Kai Greene pseudo-philosophizing that's becoming so common? All of a sudden every training session becomes a personal battle of good versus evil. Bodybuilding is not some epic journey of self becoming. For fucks sakes, it's not even hard. You go to the gym 3-5 times a week, you don't eat like a complete fucking retard and you wait. If being in the top 10% isn't enough, you hop on the bike.
It sounds like lifting is your main passion. If it is, not drinking and meal prep are definitely things that get your closer to your goals. The problem is you're assuming everyone else needs to do these things to get bigger and stronger. They don't. I went from 190 to 230 with a garbage diet. The only "sacrifices" you have to make are the hours you're in the gym, and that 4th root beer float.
Agreed. Christ, maybe one of you has the magical recipe to make rice, chicken breast and broccoli taste good. Also nice delts and traps. Looking thick, solid, tight.
RPmatrix 9y ago
a few things to do which help would be, to cook the chicken in good olive oil and put butter on the the stir fried or steamed) broccoli at the end and fresh cracked pepper on the lot .. plus salt to taste (adding salt changes the tastiness of chicken with 'rice' x 100! just start with a little on a forkful to get an idea)
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TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
This is how I feel about lifting. People have told me I have an unhealthy obsession with the weights, nutrition and fitness, but I think it's necessary to see good results. When people complain about not being able to shift those stomach rolls I blatantly and unapologetically tell them to stop being lazy and do something about it.
I don't ever get as confrontational about anything as I do with fitness.
just_lift 9y ago
I agree with you, you have to want it really bad to achieve even a small amount of success when it comes to lifting. You have to shoot for the stars and give it your all to become significantly above average.
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DannyDemotta 9y ago
I'm willing to bet theres a percentage of men here who think surgery is "blue pill, beta shit" or similar. People who cant comprehend what its like to be butt-ugly, or to just have a few blemishes/moles/scarring/whatever that just wont go away. They're of the opinion you should "just deal with it" and that a "true alpha" wouldnt get surgery. Complete bullshit.
If you can afford it, and you've weighed the safety risks........get the surgery. Dont listen to any of these chucklefucks on here trying to hold you to their same Code. Because if you're out partying with them - as is, right now - they'd judge your ass, and if they thought you were weighing them/the group down, they'd find a way to ditch your ass while simultaneously lying and saying its about your attitude, shyness, etc. even if women straight-up told them "your friend is ugly" or "your friend looks creepy"
But dont rush into surgery. as other bro said, experiment with jewelry, sunglasses, washing your face, whitening teeth, etc. its possible you're not as bad in the face as you think - you just need to get your acne/warts/hairline/eyebrows under control.
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For me personally, I am going for the Tyler Durden look only. I am already good looking yet 5'6 and I think I'd look weird as a manlet. That's just my opinion.
john1443 9y ago
I don't believe this to be true; however, the subset of women who prefer muscles is much, much larger than the subset of those who don't.
bitchyeah 9y ago
When you work 80+ Hour a week, it's pretty hard to find time to workout. Better then finding that time, just make sure the have sex at least every 2 days and make it intense/long enough to be workout.
CleverNeologism 9y ago
You never find time for things. You make time.
dr_warlock 9y ago
The biggest demographic here is college aged guys. Most of them have no responsibilities besides going to class and hw. They have no excuse for not lifting.
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PF isn't that bad, but you have to MAKE SURE to do your research on the one you want to go to. My PF has bench presses, squat racks, and you can do deadlifts because the staff doesn't really give a shit. Ask questions and be rewarded.
I'm probably going to move on to something a little more serious but a couple months there won't kill you.
Edit: Also, thank you for this post.
JohnStamoist 9y ago
Yo so I have a really bad pinched nerve in my left elbow. Doesn't matter what sort of upper weight lifting I do, it'll give out on me and shoot extreme pain to my whole arm. I can't muster any strength to finish a rep, it's not a matter of pushing through the pain, it's as if the arm goes numb.
Doctor says surgery, I'll do it in time. So I've only been able to do pushups and some other upper body workouts I used to do in football. Anyone else have any suggestions for upper body workouts that don't require weights?
CleverNeologism 9y ago
Dips, chin ups, and pull ups are all based on body weight.
Try variations on push ups... there are tons of modifications that can make it easier or harder and work different parts of the shoulders and arms. Push ups too easy? Get yourself upside down against a wall and push all your body weight up without the benefit of the leverage the normal push up provides.
You can try doing these exercises with weight belts or vests to increase load, or with resistance straps to help you work up to full motion.
You can also try doing your normal exercises slower, and focusing on the negative motion (i.e. instead of just dropping for another pushup, slowly lower yourself to the floor, and hold the bottom position for a minute before coming back up).
You might also want to check out isometric exercises. If it is the motion and the friction that inflame the elbow and make your arm go numb, then obviously you need to remove the motion. So, immobilize it and use static positions instead.
JohnStamoist 9y ago
Yeah I've been incorporating more of holding the push up position into my workout. Been trying to hold it for 40 seconds before doing a push up, similar to something I did in football.
Thanks for the idea of the resistance straps, will be picking some of those up.
ChiefReap 9y ago
I feel like at the end of the day I'm doing something I don't want to do. I'm not my own man, I'm natural selection's bitch. A real man doesn't lift if he doesn't want to.
I think our future will be to move away from our bad biological design. In an ideal world I will have no urge or need to eat, drink, sleep, defecate, have sex, feel emotion, or to maintain my body.
Red_pills 9y ago
Straight up would like to thank you for this post. Lifting is something I've always said I'll get into but I haven't.
I've always been relatively fit as I play sports but packing on muscle is something I've never done.
My goal in the next 12 months is to actually realize some of my potential and as someone who knows nothing about lifting this post really helped me understand the foundations.
I lead a busy life and I'd be interested to know how other people fit lifting into their schedule. I work and I go to school full time combined with playing sports / cycling I don't find I have a lot of free time.
I get a free gym membership with my school so I'm thinking of going at 630 am before I start school. Any plus sides or down sides to this? Or would you recommend going after I finish school?
Also I have a set of dumbbells at home I want to utilize more but I've seen a lot of different programs and would be interested in a good one for a beginner. Thanks!!
dr_warlock 9y ago
I used to do PT through a wealthy neighborhood, a place where everyone is busy making the money. They all decide to squeeze in exercise between 6-7am. That's probably your only route short of dropping something off your schedule.
These aren't beginner home workouts, which is why I didn't put them in the post, but they definitely work. I'd recommend sticking with 3 sets instead of the stated 5 first. The great thing about Scooby is that he does the whole routine on film as demonstration and provides some good tips a long the way.
Scooby Home Arms Workout
Scooby Home Shoulder Workout
Scooby Home Lat Workout
Red_pills 9y ago
Wow thanks man really appreciate it! This is the kind of stuff that keeps me reading here. Informative well written and eager to help other guys in the manosphere. Amazing.
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Red_pills 9y ago
Thanks for the advice man that's why I asked for the dumbells stuff so I can start before school starts back up!
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JG60 9y ago
It's only gay if you smile.
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As a dude, you straight up have to get bigger. Just dont look like the Michelin Man AND have titties because that shit is embarrassing. That's as bad as being short and skinny.
Niordd 9y ago
I for one does not enjoy lifting. I tried, I get bore and I see no point in forcing myself into it. On the other hand I LOVE to play basketball, which helps me stay fit. For me it just work better, I have competitive soul and I love the adrenaline in the game, where I may directly face my enemy. Great post and I definitely recommend doing something for your body, but don't fixate that much on lifting guys. There is bunch of other awesome activities that for some might be more exciting.
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After reading TRP I doubled my efforts on the gym.
Well in my case it can! I went from about 24% body to 15% in about 8 months and my face is definitely more attractive. I had a chubby face before, now my face is getting angular. I'm aiming to get to 10% body fat. Then endure a very long clean bulking.
If you have a naturally round face and you've a high body fat, just drop your body fat until the 12% mark.
Here's a study about it - http://www.businessinsider.com/body-fat-linked-to-male-attractiveness-and-immune-system-2012-11
EagleScout82 9y ago
“Self-improvement is masturbation. Now, self-destruction…”
-Tyler Durden
Espada18 9y ago
Are there any other routines that specifically focus on hypertrophy? And how would I go on about progressing on such routine? I did 5x5 2 years ago and I got strong but I looked like shit, not to mention I had my diet in check, which causes me to blame the routine. So if anyone knows of a balanced hypertrophy routine that will also make me strong, please do suggest it, could be a 5 day split, upper/lower or even P/P/L.
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JeanValjean197o 9y ago
I like the explanation from "The Way of Men" about why we should lift.
Lifting seems like it's useless. I don't use my muscles for work and they are superfluous since we don't do much manual labor.
But muscles are like an arsenal. You don't need to ever use them for them to be valuable and useful.
The US has the largest arsenal in the world. It's larger than the next 28 countries combined (27 of which are allies). What that arsenal gives us is respect. If we have to use it then so be it, but just it's existence gains us respect around the world.
I've noticed other benefits since I've started lifting.
I'm not tired as much at work. I work nights and often get tired or sleepy and miserable. Now I'm working out on breaks. I lift and I run three miles each night.
I have less fear of other people. I live in the city in a mixed Victorian neighborhood. I have less worry that I can be subdued should I encounter a crack head or drunk.
I feel like doing more. I have more energy because exercise makes your body create energy in a way that is superior to any energy drink.
I went to a ballroom dancing class this week and when the women put their hands on my shoulder I could see they liked touching iron.
My pants are getting lose but I haven't actually lost any weight. I'm 210 pounds, but things fit better. I know this is because I'm building muscle and probably losing some fat but on the scale it's not noticeable. However, I can see it in the mirror. I can see it when I put on a shirt and my chest looks less like boobs and more like a man's should. I see it when my chest sticks out farther than my stomach and when I lay down in the bathtub (Victorian house) and I can see my dick.
"Hey there dick. No one has seen you in a while. Looking good! You should get out more!"
SilkTouchm 9y ago
Lifting does nothing against being stabbed or shot. Be careful.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Reality of Knife Attacks
SeedTorrents 9y ago
"Everything from the neck below is under your control"
not everything my friend :'(
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
If you're talking about your package, there is definitely something you can do. PM me. Not trying to sell you anything, it's free advice.
New_Horiz0ns 9y ago
OP! Thank you man. Seriously great job putting all of this together!
Thanks for the time you spent to give back to trp.
Mamluke 9y ago
It may work for some people, but I personally view it as pointless, and think a slim/lean physique looks are far more attractive and smart. And I don't go for cheap girls in clubs, or in the lower echelons of society who are so simple minded they'd fawn over someone's muscles or hairstyle etc...
Plus in some work environments, like the one I work in, being muscular or body-building in general is viewed very negatively.
Obviously for people in complete different circumstances it may be an amazing hobby to have and will improve the quality of your life in many ways, but I think something some people in TRP get wrong is that it will just benefit everybody.
EDIT: I only follow TRP because I find it interesting, but most of the stuff on here is BS in my opinion. Downvote away.
xxduck1 9y ago
That hamster of yours is running strong
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It works on all girls. You will never get super huge as a natural lifter, that's just a fact.
Also, don't tell anyone at work about it.
pedler 9y ago
Nah, I say this as a skinny guy, girls like guys with muscles. Being defined is important too, I mean being 200lb with fat/muscle isn't as impressive as 180lb with 8% body fat.
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The things you say are BS. Do you try them, or just assume?
Mamluke 9y ago
Oh I know they're BS, and I think many people on this forum do too.
Trust me, I sympathise and empathise with many guys on TRP, and totally understand their views and where they're coming from. But the way that women are generalised and sometimes just demonised is pitiful. TRP has rightly identified some crucial problems that put many men at a disadvantage in the West and the developed world, and some injustices of 'third wave feminism' but there is this irrational bitterness and isolationist response to the problems, rather than well thought out solutions and ideas.
"We must all become testosterone fuelled, hyper-masculine, super-muscular meat-heads that view women as objects that need to be completely controlled in every way and treated as 'plates'. They just use husbands as 'beta males' to suck them dry of their money and then cheat on them with an Alpha male, like us. All women are like this."
Come on dude, step back a minute and realise how utterly ridiculous this is. There is some truth in this, but to view that this ideology TRP spreads is the total complete and utter truth is just silly and counter-productive.
robonubbins 9y ago
You can choose when to stop and maintain. Don't want to be Brock Lesner? First, good luck ever getting there and second you don't have to. Stop when you're at your goal physique. You're acting as if you lift one weight and become the hulk, which is definitely not the case.
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I can step back, and notice what it is. Have you heard of the SCUM manifesto though? Neither current feminism, or TRP are to be taken completely literally. The advice given is aimed at weaker men to break through their convoluted mind-vaults so that some truth can slowly trickle in.
One thing I've learned though. How to debate. You did it cleverly, but you didn't answer the question I've asked. Have you tested any of these theories yourself, or do you just read and call bullshit without any true rebuttal?
draquish 9y ago
Seems like you are trying to illicit negative comments. I feel like there is something else here. What's bothering you, man?
Mamluke 9y ago
Nothing, it's just bizarre how there's so much focus on this specific body type. If some people get all immature and hissy about any whiff of criticism, then too bad for them.
draquish 9y ago
I see it like a Ferrari. It may not impress the upper classes, but it works for the populace and even if it doesn't benefit me in any way, at least I know I can smoke most drivers on the highway.
Mamluke 9y ago
I completely agree with you, which is why this philosophy may work for many people. But it all depends on context, and for some people in different situations it definitely doesn't.
draquish 9y ago
I think you're missing the point. When the monkey comes out and the situation calls for it, the bigger guy has an advantage. Lawsuits can ruin a life, but muscles can ruin a nose.
dr_warlock 9y ago
What the fuck is this? AWALT. All women prefer a man with muscles, not just bar sluts. Any girl that says otherwise either doesn't believe she can acquire such a man, or is spouting out nonsense to see what guy actually believes it.
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ultronisright 9y ago
You people are so stuck in the 60s..
Mamluke 9y ago
Haha, this is just pure naivety.
Some girls find a very muscular man far more attractive yes, but many don't as well. I don't know what type of girls you've been in contact with, but some people on TRP are so simple minded when the generalise all girls to be the same.
I can assure you, many girls definitely do NOT find the muscular look of Hugh Jackman, Daniel Craig, Channing Tatum etc... anywhere near as attractive as the physique and looks of Clint Eastwood, Sean Connery, Harrison Ford, Roger Moore, (when they were younger) George Clooney etc... Hell I'm a straight guy and even I can make that basic observation.
How can so many people on TRP be so misguided about that?
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Girls like Clint Eastwood, Sean Connery, etc. because they are incredibly masculine and are "rough men" in most of their roles. They may not be boulders, but none of the dudes you named in the second list are "skinny".
Ex: Clint Eastwood: https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpgoUcHSGB-LXD1x3snQNpwXJuNQaCpZYn-IzesG7rVWj0Z3uuHw
Mamluke 9y ago
I did say 'lean' as well, but my point is they are not like the hyper-muscular, six-pack ripped body type that is being promoted.
You can be far more masculine than that without such a body type, as the people I mentioned are (in my opinion). The people with ripped body types do not exude an aura of being well-connected, well educated, wealthy, high class, and powerful in society.
Roger: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03022/roger_3022462b.jpg
Harrison: http://www.jamesmullarkey.com/triathlon/pictures/Harrisonspeedos.jpg
[deleted] 9y ago
Arnold Schwarzenegger exudes all of those things.
Mamluke 9y ago
Oh, my man, he may be connected and wealthy, but by no means does he hold any real power, he is not well educated at all and he certainly is not high-class in the slightest.
PinkySlayer 9y ago
The former governor of the most populous state in the Union, the most respected and recognized bodybuilder that has ever or will ever live, one of the biggest if not THE biggest action movie stars of all time, a self made multimillionaire businessman...
And you want to throw pot shots about his status level from reddit? Fucking laughable, kid, absolutely hilarious. Arnold is living a life you could literally not even imagine.
richnutz 9y ago
Get the gym as close to ur house as u can even is if pf.
Yepbro 9y ago
What's up!
Just saw that GayLubeOil was doing Skype consultations so I hit him up with some fitness questions and he has helped me out massively regarding the business side of personal training.
Peace!
bluehorseinvincible 9y ago
Dude- Dad bods or ripped guy for a night?
Girl- Of course ripped guy for a night.
Dude- For a life time?
Girl- A lifetime, ehhhh I could do a dad bod.
Dude- See that! Dad bod wins.
Too golden. Dad bod vs Hulk video in post.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Little does dad bod guy realize he's actually lost, suffering with the whiny leftovers of Hulk bod for the rest of his life.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Great post.
The one thing I would add is that: lifting will help you live longer.
The following is from a great post by /u/bsutansalt: https://archive.is/PEn6n
I encourage you to watch the video. It's 96 minutes but it's worth it, despite the stupid cliffhanger intro. The 3 Things Most People Don't Know About Muscle w/ Dr. Andy Galpin. Unfortunately the first few minutes of the video is just them shooting the shit, but it gets more serious pretty quickly.
To improve your VO2max, I recommend a good dose of HIIT.
EDIT: also, thanks to Arnold, Stallone, The Rock, and more recently, all the superhero movies, the bar is being raised for male physique. Women are seeing jacked men like Chris Evans and Hugh Jackman on the screen and they're liking what they see.
EDIT 2: This is by far my favorite image for deadlift motivation: Franco Columbu deadlifting.
And the classic: There is no reason to be alive if you can't do deadlift.
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Lifting is easily one of the biggest and BEST changes I have made to my life. It's a top to bottom change that is beneficial in pretty much every aspect of your life. When you hear "invest in yourself", this is one investment you can make and see really good returns on in a short time frame.
However it requires dedication and discipline. You very much get out of it what you put in.
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Put dad bod on gear for six months and he could look good. It would be a hard six months but hes got a decent starting point.
TRPApprentice 9y ago
Great post bro! Personally I lift because an alpha always seeks a stronger body. The difference between men and womyn is that men bitch less and do more like lifting and building civilizations.
Lifting separates the men from the boys. Women don't finger themselves to lady-boys, nope they flick the bean to the thought of toned alphas pounding them in every orifice.
lannisterstark 9y ago
Yeah but going around saying "lift" on every single comment or post doesn't help. Lift what.
wtg2989 9y ago
I had more confidence and pussy when I was out of shape.
pedler 9y ago
Probably because it's harder to maintain a lifting schedule with a demanding job.
wtg2989 9y ago
Didn't have a demanding job either. Just believed in myself and got laid. The more I lift now, the more critical I am of my own physique. Catch 22 really
B_Rawb 9y ago
Great advice in this post for sure, one thing that boggles my mind is how cardio is rarely mentioned in these "Go out and lift posts". Although being a proficient runner/swimmer may not show aesthetically it will definitely increase your mental stamina and endurance. I'm curious if most of you gents who lift also run.
TheThingsIThink 9y ago
I do some HIIT in the summer and some swimming in the winter. Most people don't want to do cardio because lifting, diet, and intermittent fasting (check out LeanGains, or the Fasting Twins) will get the you the body you want.
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B_Rawb 9y ago
I'm a fairly new runner, I only run about 4 miles a day at this point. I run two in the morning as fast as possible, and at the end of the night I try and run until I can't any more usually. The mental barriers you have to overcome during endurance runs surpass the ones when you're lifting in my humble opinion. I've also recently incorporated battle ropes into my lifting regiment after I run the second two miles it's way more intense cardio and also works out your upper body like a mother fucker.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
What people fail to realize is cardio compliments weightlifting. It allows you to cope with the stress of the workout better and as you said, tests you psychologically as well as physically. There are studies to support this but cbf.
RedSugarPill 9y ago
Well put. The gym and my body have become my place and idol of worship. I have never felt so much self-love before lifting. And after a few months, lifting becomes an automatic form of meditation--just as you've described it here. The moment of lifting is a very pure and elemental state of existence.
BaraTru 9y ago
Although I agree with including lifting in everyone's daily or weekly routine. It is more important for everyone to understand that if they are attempting to gain considerable muscle mass or better their health, it's more important to do cardio and have a healthy diet first.
I'm pretty confident saying that 50% of TRP community is not at the level where they should solely focus on lifting. I made the mistake 2 years ago of focusing on weightlifting and packed on a lot of weight that took me a few months to get rid of. I kept some of that muscle but had I focused on losing the fat I had beforehand I could be at a better level right now. There's also plenty of articles online that suggest being over 15% bodyfat will slow your gains, so don't do those dirty bulks either, at least be conscientious of your weight gain.
TLDR: If you're over 15% bodyfat, cardio and diet will pay off more. Lift not for aesthetics during that time, but to retain current muscle. (maybe a little muscle will grow but not +10lb)
turn30left 9y ago
This is bro science. Lifting can burn as many calories if not more than cardio. Losing weight though happens in the kitchen by counting calories based on your TDEE. I've been gaining weight and losing it at will just based on my net caloric intake. I never do cardio.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/fat_loss_training_wars.htm
BaraTru 9y ago
In the long term the muscle mass you gain will burn more calories than cardio passively. But lifting requires more intensity to feel worthwhile(especially when you will see minimal gain). That might work for some, but for someone just getting into the habit of doing daily exercise it's something else.
But I agree counting calories is probably the most helpful tool for losing fat.
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CleverNeologism 9y ago
I found it much easier to get good form on my squats once I was squatting over >100 pounds, and my glutes started feeling it once I could keep my back straighter. Before, it felt like if I didn't lean forward somewhat, I'd simply fall backwards on my ass.
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turn30left 9y ago
Good luck. I started at 95 lbs squat in January and by the end of March was at 200 lbs. I'm not at 250ish but I changed up my workouts for more aesthetics and not doing squats 3x a week. It's an awesome program but after a few months it got old for me.
DracoPhage 9y ago
What a great post. Shoo those gain goblins, be they family or otherwise.
dr_warlock 9y ago
My mother has always been the biggest gainz goblin
DistantWinter 9y ago
There is a book out there called convict conditioning if you are overweight and don't want to be in a gym quite yet. You can buy a set of Olympic weights from Craigslist for under $100 if you have room.
Growing up poor I didn't have $100 so I used coffee cans filled with cement and some stolen rebar. This was great for straight bar curls and overhead triceps extensions. Any container filled with cement and a bar set in between will work. Coffee can for curls, flower pot for kettle ball, five gallon bucket for bench, deads, reverse rows. Dips, push ups, squats, and sit ups.
Was 34 took off my shirt after mowing the lawn and was still vascular with abs. Young and beautiful next door neighbor said "Wow... Most guys don't make out of their 20's without a beer gut. You're looking good" Things like that tend to stick with you and give you serious confidence boost.
My point is there is no excuse not to lift. I did it as a dirt poor teenager with cement and rebar. Lifting releases a lot of anger, it builds confidence through accomplishment and has a ton of health benefits. What are you waiting for?
blandwondersock 9y ago
I'm beginning to change my opinion of lifting. I don't see it as necessary anymore. It might be because I've accomplished what I wanted already or because I just got bored with it. I don't push guys towards weights, but I do believe physical training is absolutely, 100%, unavoidably necessary to being a proper, well rounded person.
I began lifting a few years ago, achieved 155/225/315/405 plates in the four major lifts for 3x5/3x10/3x5/1x5 and a fairly decent physique. Around 4 months ago I switched to strictly body-weight training as I had a new set of goals like a one armed chinup, front lever, L-Sit to handstand and a straddle planche. My only equipment is a pullup bar and a dip belt. My physique has improved, my flexibility has gotten better and my core strength has improved tenfold. I would say I feel more at home in my own body. My squat and deadlift numbers fell but my bench and OHP didn't. OHP actually went up 10lbs (I attribute this to better stability and antagonist training).
Lifting is by far the most efficient way to get bigger though, so if the goal is to get girls, in my opinion weights are the way to go. But lifting was something I did for myself and the attention from girls was an added bonus. I don't have much of an interest in lifting anymore so I feel no pressure in moving on to other pursuits. I used to think of bodyweight training as something idiot crossfitters and yoga goofballs do. I checked the ego, realized that was an uneducated opinion stemming from the fact that I couldn't do a quarter of the things they were able to do and set some new, interesting goals to achieve. Its a humbling experience, going back to being a novice in something.
You don't have to lift, but you do have to be strong.
DannyDemotta 9y ago
You can incorporate both quite easily, along with HIIT, MISS/LISS, Yoga, and whatever else interests you.
This is why i constantly make fun of the PPL 6-day split crowd - its just unnecessary to lift that many days per week unless its literally your job to do so. Guys post their routine and its like 24 sets of biceps/tris and i'm like "wtf?" Just unnecessary unless you're on gear.
You could still progress and have a good body just lifting, say, 2 times per week for 90m each session. You just have to make sure to hit the right compound movements, withe right rest, set numbers and rep ranges.
For the other 3-4 days of working out....
Barbell row ---> pullups. Then you can do weighted pullups, wide-grip pullups, one-arm chinups, muscle-ups, etc.
Pec fly/dummbell bench ---> clapping pushups, one arm pushups, handstand pushups, etc.
Stairs/elliptical ---> jogging. Get used to it. If you cant jog at 6mph without your HR shooting up over 170, you're in shit shape. From there, do high-speed intervals, sprinting, etc etc.
Calf press/leg extension/dumb leg shit ----> plyometrics. Box jumps, shock jumps and so on. You'll be more explosive and feel that much stronger/flexible while doing Leg Day.
Squat is already full body involvement, deadlift is too. You could try adding Cleans - that will make you more explosive and take you through a full range of body motion.
Theres no reason to just go from station to station. You can create your own stations and still build muscle, flexibility, etc. For many (too many?) people bodyweight fitness becomes some spiritual shit, like being "one with yourself" or whatever. Thats nice. Just dont go deluding yourself into thinking you cant have it both ways, because you can.
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Agreed with the bodyweight training, but for me it's the simple fact I travel a lot and many of the motels/hotels simply don't have facilities and I'm not going to spend more on one that does (because spending $15-30 more 4x a week on a better hotel gets expensive quick).
One thing with bodyweight is that it seems a lot more realworld related too and muscles aren't improving in isolation to others. That has both upsides and downsides.
As for progression someone mentioned, a backpack with some sandbags or books or waterbottles will do fine and it can be strapped on a variety of ways. Stairs/incline/etc for pushups work fine too. It needs more creativity and patience than the gym though, which is straightforward.
I always wanted to get into some of the gymnastic exercises, they have fantastic strength and bodies. Gonna try the book "Overcoming Gravity" or whatever the best I find during the winter.
zetetic-elench 9y ago
Lifting beats out body weight for one simple reason: simple linear progression. There's just no body weight equivalent of progression that is as easy as throwing another 5lb on the bar each successive day. You are Your Own Gym does an excellent job of laying out a body weight with progressive loading, and even then everybody I know who did it ends up hitting hard plateaus with no real good way to get by them. Glad to hear the results you had moving from lifting to bodyweight though, since I agree with your assessment of bodyweight and its interesting goals and look forward to having the strength to switch over again.
blandwondersock 9y ago
This is a very good point and I do agree in part. Progression is generally qualitative. Obviously for the one armed chin up I use weighted pullup progressions, then to isometric holds, then eccentrics and finally concentrics. But quantitative progression is still possible without incremental loading. What provides this loading - since a lot of bodyweight skills are products of isometric tension - is time. For example, my L-Sit progressions went: 6x10 second holds, 5x12s, 4x15s and yesterday I did 3x20. Each of these add up to a minute of total hold time, but that minute is achieved in less and less reps. This is quantitative and it applies to most bodyweight skills like the front and back lever, planche, iron cross, maltese, human flag, L-Sit, etc.
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I personnally work out for health and balance. When I don't work out, I feel like shit and I slowly begin to indulge in complacency.
foldpak111 9y ago
Is 24 hour fitness a good place to get my Deadlifts and generally badassery on?
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narazz 9y ago
honestly rigth now i dont think im in a position for lifting. fighting some depression stuff that caught up to me realizing im pretty mucha 34 year old loser lol. but one thing i am doing is at least running 3-5 miles every day. for some reason i like cardio much more than weights. i do however lift a lot of furnature at work, i do desks and lift a lot of incoming goods. :)
The_Ralph 9y ago
I'm early 50s. I bench but truthfully have not squatted I think in 25+ years. Knees. Maybe just ease into it with the barbell? Seems like an excellent core workout, which is what I really need (so I also hit the treadmill and also swim regularly). Thoughts for us older men?
robonubbins 9y ago
Hit up a sports medicine clinic and get hooked up with a therapist.
Just a few sessions with them to iron out any issues with your form then you're good to go. They can help you identify and resolve issues with flexibility, joint mobility, etc.
dr_warlock 9y ago
I used to have problems with pain where the glutes meets the quad until l adjusted my stance, making it narrower.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
That's probably your piriformis muscle. I have the same problem. Means there's probably a muscular imbalance somewhere. If you squat with a narrow stance then you probably aren't hitting depth and acheiving maximal activation, so you should probably look see a massage therapist and physio.
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The_Ralph 9y ago
DAMN! I think my legs would explode. Thank you for the advice. You've convinced me to try.
FRSTKZ 9y ago
For those of you that have reached a limit on 5x5, I just switched to Grayskul LP and am loving it. Slower weight gains, but the mixup makes it more fun that SL. I did SL for like 6 months and got my strengh up. The 5 minute rests were making my workouts a bit boring. I am glad I found this program and it seems like it will help me with my goals.
doubleknee24 9y ago
The Iron - Henry Rollins
GizDrak 9y ago
Love this post it is really great.
Question I want to lift and i'm pumped to do it, but I am really out of shape can only do like 3 pushups no chinups etc. I been working out at home just doing body weight stuff. Do you think it would be a good idea to do maybe a month or two of body weight to get my body back into a okay fitness level before jumping into the lifting?
dr_warlock 9y ago
If you're really fat, focus on cardio first. If you're not, no body weight exercise preparation necessary. Start out with a lighter weight that you can do 5 sets of 5 reps on.
GizDrak 9y ago
Awesome thanks for the advise man!
turn30left 9y ago
I disagree. Cardio isn't the way to lose weight. Counting calories is. You can burn more calories weightlifting, too.
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GizDrak 9y ago
Awesome thanks for the advise!
a_guy_from_braunau 9y ago
Is there really a problem with body weight programs? I'm not sure if I just do it wrong. For context: I started fat (still fat but less) and i go boxing in a boxclub, running and bodyweight exercises. Some of my boxing colleagues do body weight too, so i thought it would be a nice completion. To be honest, i don't feel that much after training (with legs as exception) but i work more or less until muscle failure. A few years ago i went to the gym and i had more tension in the muscles after lifting.
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I started by eating better. Only water and some occasional beers, I avoid sugar, carbs and fat the most I can and I take more of the rest. Then one month ago I decided to go one step further and eat less with the warrior diet and went from 327 to 312 pounds. One meal a day under 1500 cals and I'm good to go for the rest of the day. If I'm too hungry I "cheat" with some fruits or a pack of sardines or the like. This is very encouraging and I already can feel some positive effects such as more energy and getting less sweaty when I walk.
I think the key so far is one small step at a time and the weekly reminder that I see here on TRP that no matter how much "game" I have, it is just crushed over by my 100+ pounds of fat that needs to be burned. And not telling anyone what I am doing so they don't tell me how this is "wrong" and I need to stop.
Ex obese or recovering obese men of TRP, what do you suggest to improve my weight loss? What's the next habits I can adopt?
CleverNeologism 9y ago
Swimming.
It works every single muscle in your body, is low-impact (so your knees don't give out), and it's summer so it will at least keep you somewhat cool.
Difficulty: Access to a decent sized pool where you can swim continuously for several dozen yards.
bluehorseinvincible 9y ago
Learn to box, went from 400 to 280 in about a year. Although I did run I ran as little as possible, did extra bag work, jumped rope, and shadow boxed. Running sucks for fatties.
I much prefer cycling, although cycling is more time consuming, it was a lot less boring.
Eat a lot of chicken and tuna, drink a shitload of water.
SlimCharles209 9y ago
This is me right here. I'd like to hear some more tips too.
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When it comes to fat there is only one god and its name is "energy deficit".
dr_warlock 9y ago
Put one foot in front of the other at a speed of 5+ mph, this thing called running. Three times a week for 30 mins, sprint the last 100 yds home.
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Continue to make fun of me, it's fine. This is was keeps me going right now.
But have you ever been morbidly obese? Last time I tried running on a regular basis I couldn't stand straight after because of my knees. Oh and I break bicycles.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Never been fat. Either buy a treadmill, use a treadmill at the gym, or go for walks with some water if you can't handle running.
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Any advice for those who can't squat or deadlift? Back problem, doctor orders =/
I'm getting nice results but I feel I'm missing some gains by not doing squats neither deadlifts. I already have impressive legs, so squats aren't that necessary. Which muscles do I neglect by skipping deadlifts?
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Only your posterior chain. All the other muscles involved can be isolated. It is more of a compliment to overall strength than actual physical appearance.
If you have no strength goals, then deadlifts can be ignored, but they are one of the big 3 for a reason.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Deadlifts have never contributed to my physique. They did however improve my posture and strengthen my back for other lifts.
EmanuelGold 9y ago
Didn't thicken out your back? Didn't help traps? Didn't strengthen your hammies?.. I'm going to guess your deadlift about 140kg max.
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TRPAlternative 9y ago
Just being awkward here, but one plate on bench is 135lbs, not 185.
DannyDemotta 9y ago
I'm pretty sure OP just cant bench 225, squat 315, and deadlift 405.....like some of us here can. Most of us? ....a few of us?
A 25 is close enough to a 'real' plate. Its not loose plates/change (10,5,2.5,1). Sounds good to me.
I often do my burnout sets with 225 or 185, just so i dont have extra crap sliding around.
dr_warlock 9y ago
I've exceeded the 405 for the deadlift (470), did the 315 squat yesterday, and have a bench PR of 225.
DannyDemotta 9y ago
That's awesome then. Just a weird choice of words, originally. I'm a 300+/350/425 guy so I'm somewhat disconnected from the "2 plates" bench crowd. Your DL craps all over mine!
Videos are unnecessary, unless you really want to. But looking forward to the cooking/meals stuff. That doesn't get talked about enough around here - the importance of being able to put together high protein meals, eating fruits/vegetables, sleeping 8 hours, etc etc. Lifting doesn't do much good if you're eating crap once you get home.
GunsGermsAndSteel 9y ago
It's always weird to me that people cut the total number of plates in half. Like, they report only the plates on one side of the bar. So 315lbs is "3 plates"... but there's actually six on the bar. I don't get why they do that.
EmanuelGold 9y ago
Oh great. Another weekly 'lift brah' post, telling people to use the 5x5 program and eat food. This shit is literally posted every week, then circle jerked up voted to the top.
Can we have a system where, if someone basically reiterates what's on the sidebar mods delete it? I can respect the fact this guy took the time to write this out, but the message is essentially lift and eat. Nothing new.
bluehorseinvincible 9y ago
If TRP was the religion people say it is.
Lifting is Genesis 1.
dr_warlock 9y ago
There's no sidebar material on lifting, it's just something repeated so often that there should be. I'm just gonna toot my own horn here and say it should be this post.
EmanuelGold 9y ago
I'm getting down voted but I couldn't care, this sub has gone to shit over the past year. This post is shit, you're literally telling people to do 5x5 which will help a, b, c parts of your life. Well no shit. If you actually want to help people life, why don't you take time to write out a different programs for goals, then go into nutrition and how to set macros at deficits or surplus to reach lifting goals? All your post does is quote some motivational confidence bullshit and link to mark rippletoe's program (which isn't for everyone). You don't actually know much about proper lifting.
dr_warlock 9y ago
I just want more trpers lifting. Didnt want to scare them off with information overload. 5x5 is very simple, you cant fuck it up.
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Apparently you cant read, it says "starting point" and ~ "ask glo for diet advice and advanced questions", and there are ~"many other routines across the internet"
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Ofcourse I gave them motivational confidence because most people are thinking lifting is only about pussy, which it is not. Had to convince them otherwise. Many of them have commented or messaged me saying they started all because of my post. My goal has been accomplished.
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Lol, you sound just like another guy who deleted the comment ~"Not everyone can lift. Most people have defects like me, I have a trapped nerve. Your title should be 'everyone who can lift without causing massive harm to themselves..." I'm not going pander to every persons specifics. I'm not gonna place every piece of advice out there. Mark rippetoe knows his shit. And it compliments the SL routine perfectly.
EmanuelGold 9y ago
Defect? I've been lifting for 5 years, way before I found myself here. I've cycled on and off 5x5 and just because it's whored in the fitness community in recent years doesn't mean it's the end all and be all. It's literally a 'starting strength' program - the name says it all.
My point with my initial post is that you are literally posting duplicate content that's been posted before - it's of poor quality and doesn't really help anyone except link to the easiest program to find on the Internet.
Edit: and to be honest, you sound like someone who hasn't been lifting long, has read a few articles and books and has decided he should now tell others about it.