http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1300
"How the Feminists’ “War against Boys” Paved the Way for Islam"
This is a fairly old article from 2006, so the observations are almost a decade old, but I have not seen this article referenced in the manosphere. It's very prescient in the light of the mass migration into Europe, but I want to bring this to your attention because of the redpill themes that it contains and which you should recognize immediately.
The major point here is that the issues of attraction and masculinity are meshed into politics. If politics creates laws and culture that represses masculinity, then a man can not behave masculine in his life without costs or punishment. He can't be truly redpill, as the case of effeminate male Swedes shows.
If you are "educated" that some behavior is wrong, then you will be in doubt when you need confidence to pull it off.
So here is your motivation to be misoginist/Alpha/masculine/macho/fash/whatever: it's the right & healthy way and if you don't do this, you will bring down Western civilization.
Several of my readers asked what Scandinavian men are doing about this. What happened to those Vikings, anyway? ... I doubt they would have looked the other way while their daughters were harassed by Muslims. In some ways, this makes present-day Scandinavians worse barbarians than the Vikings ever were.
If your culture said that women are your property, you would care. But culture says that women are independent agents who have control over their sexuality, so it's none of your business.
I suspect that the most important reason has to do with the extreme anti-masculine strand of feminism that has permeated Scandinavia for decades. The male protective instinct doesn’t take action because Scandinavian women have worked tirelessly to eradicate it, together with everything else that smacks of traditional masculinity. Because of this, feminism has greatly weakened Scandinavia, and perhaps Western civilization as whole.
Protecting somebody necessitates control over that person's actions. Without control, protections is hardly possible.
The only major political party in Norway that has voiced any serious opposition to the madness of Muslim immigration is the rightwing Progress Party. This is a party which receives about two thirds or even 70% male votes. At the opposite end of the scale we have the Socialist Left party, with two thirds or 70% female votes. The parties most critical of the current immigration are typically male parties, while those who praise the Multicultural society are dominated by feminists. And across the Atlantic, if only American women voted, the US President during 9/11 would be called Al Gore, not George Bush.
Women's suffrage has pulled politics hard to the left. Without it our culture would be more masculine, as it in fact is under Islam.
The standard explanation in my country for this gender gap in voting patterns is that men are more “xenophobic and selfish” than women, who are more open-minded and possess a greater ability to show solidarity with outsiders. That’s one possibility. Another one is that men traditionally have had the responsibility for protecting the “tribe” and spotting an enemy, a necessity in a dog-eat-dog world. Women are more naïve, and less willing to rationally think through the long-term consequences of avoiding confrontation or dealing with unpleasant realities now.
Xenophobia IS "spotting an enemy".
Didn’t feminists always claim that the world would be a better place with women in the driver’s seat, because they wouldn’t sacrifice their own children? Well, isn’t that exactly what they are doing now? Smiling and voting for parties that keep the doors open to Muslim immigration, the same Muslims who will be attacking their children tomorrow?
Judging from the rhetoric of many feminists, all the oppression in the world comes from Western men, who are oppressing both women and non-Western men. Muslim immigrants are “fellow victims” of this bias. At best, they may be patriarchal pigs, but no worse than Western men. Many Western universities have courses filled with hate against men that would be unthinkable the other way around. That’s why Scandinavian feminists don’t call for Scandinavian men to show a more traditional masculinity and protect them against aggression from Muslim men. Most Norwegian feminists are also passionate anti-racists who will oppose any steps to limit Muslim immigration as “racism and xenophobia.
Western feminists have cultivated a culture of victimhood in the West, where you gain political power through your status in the victim hierarchy. In many ways, this is what Political Correctness is all about. They have also demanded, and largely got, a re-writing of the history books to address an alleged historic bias; their world view has entered the school curriculum, gained a virtual hegemony in the media and managed to portray their critics as “bigots.” They have even succeeded in changing the very language we use, to make it less offensive. Radical feminists are the vanguard of PC.
When Muslims, who above all else like to present themselves as victims, enter Western nations, they find that much of their work has already been done for them. They can use a pre-established tradition of claiming to be victims, demanding state intervention and maybe quotas to address this, as well as a complete re-writing of history and public campaigns against bigotry and hate speech. Western feminists have thus paved the way for the forces that will dismantle Western feminism, and end up in bed, sometimes quite literally, with the people who want to enslave them.
Feminism wanted to make men weak, so that women would get the space to become powerful. But with weak men nobody will protect a nation from strong men from other patriarchal cultures.
Schyman’s battle cry is “Death to the nuclear family!” I have heard the same slogan repeated by young Norwegian feminists in recent years. Schyman seethed that today’s family unit is “built on a foundation of traditional gender roles in which women are subordinate to men. The hierarchy of gender, for which violence against women is the ultimate expression, has been cemented.” “Conservatives want to strengthen the family. I find this of grave concern.”
Misandry, the hatred of men, isn’t necessarily less prevalent than misogyny, the hatred of women. The difference is that the former is much more socially acceptable.
If all oppression comes from Western men, it becomes logical to try weakening them as much as possible. If you do, a paradise of peace and equality awaits us at the other side of the rainbow. Well congratulations to Western European women. You’ve succeeded in harassing and ridiculing your own sons into suppressing many of their masculine instincts. To your surprise, you didn’t enter a feminist Nirvana, but paved the way for an unfolding Islamic hell.
It is correct, as feminists claim, that a hyper-feminine society is not as destructive as a hyper-masculine society. The catch with a too soft society is that it is unsustainable. It will get squashed as soon as it is confronted by more traditional, aggressive ones. Instead of “having it all,” Western women risk losing everything. What are liberal feminists going to do when faced with aggressive gang of Muslim youngsters? Burn their bras and throw the pocket edition of the Vagina Monologues at them?
Perhaps women can succeed in turning their men into doormats, but it will be on the cost of doing so to their nation and to their civilization as well.
This right here: if you allow women to turn you into a doormat, you are destroying civilization itself. So don't.
Muslim anti-female violence in the West is a symptom of the breakdown of the feminist Utopia. Freedoms need to be enforced by violence or the credible threat of violence, or they are meaningless. Even though women can take steps to protect themselves, the primary responsibility for protection will probably always belong to men. Women will thus only have as much freedom as their men are willing and capable of guaranteeing them. It is a major flaw in many feminist theories that they fail to acknowledge this.
Writer Lars Hedegaard in Denmark does not buy into the theory that women approve of Muslim immigration out of irrational naivety or ideological conviction. He thinks they simply want it, as he writes in a column entitled “The dream of submission.” He does notice, as I do, that women are more likely than men to support parties that are open for more Muslim immigration.
Why is this, considering that there is hardly a single Muslim majority area in the world where women enjoy the same rights as men? And Hedegaard asks a provocative question: Are women more stupid and less enlightened than men, since they in such great numbers are paving the way for their own submission? He comes up with an equally provocative answer: “When women are paving the way for sharia, this is presumably because women want sharia.” They don’t want freedom because they feel attracted to subservience and subjugation.
The English author Fay Weldon has noted that “For women, there is something sexually very alluring about submission.” And as Hedegaard dryly notes, if submission is what many women seek, the feminized Danish men are boring compared to desert sheikhs who won’t allow you to go outside without permission. Muslims like to point out that there are more women than men in the West who convert to Islam, and this is in fact partly true. Islam means “submission.” Is there something about submission that is more appealing to some women than it is to most men? Do women yield more easily to power?
The nature of women is paradox, because it leads them both to rebel and to submit.
Rebel against men that are not a real danger (e.g. fathers, who would not hurt them).
Submit to men who are a real danger. "War brides".
They both want freedom and no freedom.
Are some feminists simply testing out men’s limits in the hope of finding some new balance between the sexes, or are they testing men to find our which men are strong enough to stand up to their demands, and thus which men can stand up to other men on their behalf? I heard one woman who was an ardent feminist in the 1970s later lament how many families they broke up and destroyed. She was surprised at the reaction, or lack of reaction, from men: “We were horrible. Why didn’t you stop us?”
"feminism is a society-wide shittest"
Has the West adopted some of the negative traits of the female psyche? The newly feminized West gets attacked and assaulted by the Arab and Islamic world, and continues to blame itself, while at the same time be fascinated by its abusers. It is thus behaving in the same way as a self-loathing woman towards an abusive man.
The elaborate welfare state model in Western Europe is frequently labelled as “the nanny state,” but perhaps it could also be named “the husband state.” Why? Well, in a traditional society, the role of men and husbands is to physically protect and financially provide for their women. In our modern society, part of this task has simply been “outsourced” to the state, which helps explain why women in general give a disproportionate support to high taxation and pro-welfare state parties. The state has simply become a substitute husband, upheld by taxation of their ex-husbands.
It should be mentioned that if this welfare state should for some reason cease to function, for instance due to economic and security pressures caused by Muslim immigration, Western women will suddenly discover that they are not quite as independent from men as they like to think. In this case, it is conceivable that we will se a return to the modern traditional “provide and protect” masculinity, as people, and women in particular, will need the support of the nuclear and extended family to manage.
So the role of a provider is not a bad masculine role, but in the proper economical-security context. When women are safe economically and personally, playing the provider role is useless.
To sum it up, it must be said that radical feminism has been one of the most important causes of the current weakness of Western civilization, both culturally and demographically. Feminists, often with a Marxist world view, have been a crucial component in establishing the suffocating public censorship of Political Correctness in Western nations. They have also severely weakened the Western family structure, and contributed to making the West too soft and self-loathing to deal with aggression from Muslims.
The apparent contradiction between female dominance on the micro level and male dominance on the macro level cannot be easily explained within the context of a “weaker/stronger sex”. I will postulate that being male first of all is some kind of nervous energy, something you need to prove. This will have both positive and negative results. Male numerical dominance in science and politics, as well as in crime and war, is linked to this. Women do not have this urge to prove themselves as much as men do. In some ways, this is a strength. Hence I think the terms “The Restless Sex” for men and “The Self-Contained Sex” for women are more appropriate and explain the differences better.
ThePerdmeister 9y ago
Wow, you can really see the RP "rationalization hamster" at work here as you try to requite competing discourses of racist nationalism and sexist chauvinism.
Patriarchal Islamic cultures (which you've compared favourably to "feminized" Western nations) are simultaneously enviable and demonized on the basis of their patriarchal tendencies; you're using the brutality and callousness of one patriarchal culture as justification for revitalizing a patriarchal culture in the West. This is the same kettle logic used in The Misandry Bubble where the author paints radical Islam as a "valuable ally in the war on misandry." Are we to believe that patriarchy is good and natural except when practiced by brown people?
"We need to subjugate women to protect ourselves from cultures that subjugate women." Who are you hoping to convince with such an illogical, contradictory argument?
johnnight 9y ago
Certainly not a "Radical Marxist feminist". You are the worst. Completely immoral.
ThePerdmeister 9y ago
Wow dude, sweet name-calling. You're so logical.
I thought, according to conventional TRP wisdom, it was feminists who didn't engage in polite debate. How do you deal with this cognitive dissonance? What sort of hamstering should I expect now?
johnnight 9y ago
You are mistaken, I am NOT having a debate with you. A debate with you and your immoral ilk is a waste of time. You need to be crushed, before your unholy influence leads civilization to doom.
I am not trying to help you.
I am not trying to convince you.
You need to be gone.
Is this clear enough?
ThePerdmeister 9y ago
Read again. I never said you were debating me. I was sarcastically pointing out the irony in your refusal to engage with me on any rational level. Again, isn't it conventional TRP wisdom that feminists are irrational, prone to name-calling and shutting down debate? If so, what's with your name-calling and refusal to engage me in debate?
Also, what's with your weird, hyperbolic rhetoric? You sound emotional. Did I "trigger" you? Do you need help "maintaining frame"?
Pkbeefatude 9y ago
I'v said this before, and even on here people try to say it isn't true but usually when societies peak and begin to decline some from of feminism and female equality becomes present.
I don't know if its the cause or just a symptom but this certainly isn't the first time a civilization has lost control of its women.
Inevitably the society restructures itself into a more patriarchal nature or it is replaced by a new foreign patriarch culture.
Nature abhors a vacuum
there has been no lasting female dominated society in history. Patriarchy=civilization to attack patriarchy is to attack civilization itself.
MrChadthunderc0ck 9y ago
Ah yes this is the article I remember reading. When you allow worthless women to get power and crush masculinity for generations you get this. Those Swedes must be in hell right now
Luckyluke23 9y ago
great post man.
it's going to be really fucked up in 10 years when every where is muslim and we can't do what we want.
at least i will have 10 wives and i will be able to drink as much tea as i want and smoke as much sheesha as i can.
RPNietzsche 9y ago
I'm late to the thread, so I'm not sure anyone will read this but I am a man from Sweden who see this first-hand every day.
Would anyone be interested in a "field-report" with what I have observed?
The field-report would cover the high-school hierarchy and what you are forced to believe, and how life is different after I escaped the matrix.
WoahScienceCool 9y ago
As much as I hate to see the decline of Europe and America, how anybody can read something like this and still wish to pursue White women is a complete mystery to me. As a white male, I cant possibly think of a more terrible and traitorous group of people. Hispanic women are hotter anyways- so really whats the point?
Go on, bring on the down-votes from the cuckolds who will support their precious, unique special snowflake White women no matter what. No matter how many times they stab their own men in the back.
Wingernineteen 9y ago
All you white men are going gaga over Asian women anyways and creating hapa kids so I'm not seeing the deal here.
HoundDogs 9y ago
On this same topic, if you haven't seen this yet, you should.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/
Sarksleezian, Briana WU, and Zoe Quinn (of GamerGate fame) were INVITED TO THE FUCKING UN to speak about, of all things, freedom of speech online.
They get to go to the UN to play their professional victim card.
fuckeh 9y ago
Wow this is depressing. Censor the internet? How about limit your exposure on the internet you whiny babies. People are harassing you online? Get your face and name off the internet, stupid. It's a great big sea of anonymous people and if you voice very strong and controversial opinions you have to expect some negativity will flood through.
I personally know a feminist blogger/"artist" that complains about online harassment. Obviously it's wrong for people to send her death threats as she claims to receive (I've looked for them on twitter and found none, so unless they're DM's she's lying but that's beside the point). But when I suggest she stops sharing her real name and other personal information she gets offended. No, we need other solutions. Like censoring the entire internet. You couldn't possibly dial back the amount of personal info you share, because at the root of it all you love the attention. You need people to see your face and know your name.
I can't believe people listen to these vapid attention whores and their childish ideas.
HoundDogs 9y ago
One thing that remains 100% consistant is that I have never seen one single shred of evidence proving that these feminist recieve death threats. Not one screenshot, not one voicemail recording if they claim to be called. I'm not saying they don't exist but at this point they're making claims and they have ZERO evidence. It's "Shameful" to ask for proof these days though, as asinine as that sounds. It's simple to me....if they have something to gain by manipulating the truth, then if they make a claim they are lying until PROVEN truthful.
I go to extended lengths NOT to share personal information. I don't know why that concept is so hard for these idiots but, I think you're right, it's got to be attention.
I cannot even fathom how professional victimhood has thrust them this far into the limelight. People like Nancy Grace, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, and Justin Bieber are not rare in our culture and they have ARMIES of people who insult, degrade, hate, and actively try to get the best of them. They are public figures, dealing with shitheads is part of the job.
Nancy Grace didn't get invited to the UN. She put on her big girl pants, bucked the fuck up, got back out there, and spread nonsense to the world.
fuckeh 9y ago
I'm sure the death threats happen sometimes but some of these women fabricate it. The one that I know probably does. She's in my family so I was legitimately concerned and searched her mentions on twitter and found NOTHING.
Personally I've had my life threatened over pretty stupid shit online, I've never taken it seriously. I had an account that people wanted from me, had it for 10+ years. My moms credit card was linked to it for the first year since I was a kid when I created it. Someone somehow found her name, phone number, everything even though her address had changed twice and she had a new last name after marrying. Some freak called her late at night about my account. So yea, any sliver of personal info can open up a window to basement dwellers on the internet. You have to lock it up fairly tight if you value your privacy. People that openly share their full name, location and pictures online have to be prepared for what might happen. To suggest censoring the entire internet is infantile logic, it's like if the entire public had to adhere to a curfew because a tiny minority commit crimes late at night.
ZioFascist 9y ago
TL;DR it's a JEWISH problem
Primemale 9y ago
the only person that actually says it, THANK YOU
makethemsayayy 9y ago
See shit like this is where I fucking HATE manginas who support feminism. Even the women who take part in it, when they wise up later in life say "why didn't you stop us?". You fucking morons they're seeing what they can get away with. What rational fucking human cares about microaggressions?!!? If that's your biggest problem you are living a blessed fucking existence.
Great, prophetic article. This is what happens when you let women even dictate SOME of the course of society. They fucking destroy it. A feminine society could never work. Nature is too harsh and unforgiving. It would be wiped out immediately.
cariboo_j 9y ago
Actually there are some matriarchal societies. They're mostly primitive hunter gatherers or horticulturalists who live in mud huts. The patriarchal nuclear family in which husbands take ownership and responsibility over their wife's sexuality has the effect of harnessing the energy of the male sex drive and channeling it into producing excess labor which is distributed throughout society and protecting weaker individuals.
Unfortunately for feminists men need to have some ownership (whether it's being a partner in a law firm or the head of a nuclear family) to feel obligated.
Perhaps ownership is the wrong word. Men need to know there are some reciprocal duties and obligations from the other party to uphold their end of the bargain. A man won't work hard and put in his best effort at a company that pays him shit wages and doesn't value his contributions. This is because he has no stake in how well the company does. The same is true of modern marriage on the individual level and gender relations on the societal level. Men have no incentive to work hard and provide for women because (a) modern no-fault divorce laws place all the obligations and duties on the husband and none on the wife and (b) the government will protect and provide for the female collective, with their only obligation being to vote for far-left parties.
This is why marriage and birthrates are declining throughout industrialized nations, and especially in Western industrialized nations. Men have very little incentive to take on the traditional protector and provider role, so they are disengaging and either becoming players or going full on mgtow. It's disastrous for society as a whole but a rational choice for individual men.
LCSullaF 9y ago
Never forget that a state in turmoil needs men that can fight, not women who can vote.
This will be our generation's one and only chance to defend the Gates of Vienna. So far, we are failing, and doing our ancestors great shame.
EuronPacificus 9y ago
Hate to break it to you. The gates of Vienna were breached this time by... wait for it... a WOMAN. Thanks Merkel.
MrJugsMcBulge 9y ago
You have to remember that despite what the feminist movement says about being "strong, independent, brave, trailblazers" or whatever, these people are essentially cowards. Being in a civilized Western nation and protesting against some made up thing like 'microaggressions' is easy and bears virtually no risk - at worst, they might get laughed at. On the other hand, going to one of the many uncivilized nations in the world and protesting against the actual atrocities going on there - FGM, honor killings, child marriage, etc - holds the very high chance of being imprisoned, tortured, raped and/or killed. Sure, they'll pay the occasional bit of lip service to praising the people in those countries who are putting their lives on the line to enact some relevant change, but the feminists aren't about to risk putting themselves in harm's way...especially not for some brown people living in a country they've never heard of. Besides, none of that stuff affects them directly so, lip service aside, they don't really care. As far as thhe average self-absorbed Western feminist is concerned, who cares if ISIS is setting up rape warehouses filled with nine-year-old girls when, at any moment in the US, a man could be taking up more than one seat on a subway? And what does it matter if thousands of women every day are forced into FGM, when some guy just turned the office air conditioning slightly too low? Shit, I'm full-on MGTOW and I care more about the plight of women in Muslim countries than the average Western feminist does.
Granted, it's not like it's uncommon for left-wing movements to cherry-pick easy battles in safe countries while not giving a crap about severe problems in nations that won't put up with their BS. It's the same reason environmentalists get wound up about what kind of light bulbs Westerners use, all while ignoring the fact that China powers their country by burning a mixture of coal, styrofoam and blue whales.
cariboo_j 9y ago
They are simply following the perfect example of The Prophet, the most noble and righteous human being, Peace Be Upon Him.
jsalathe 9y ago
FGM is super-hot. Have you seen a well done labiaplasty?
It is deeply ironic that many of the wealthy feminists decrying FGM have had labiaplasty which is typically the same thing.
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cariboo_j 9y ago
Yup. Only equality when it's convenient. You don't see American feminists pushing for women being required to sign up for selective service to earn their right to vote.
getRedPill 9y ago
Feminists lives where their ideals are not needed anymore and avoid places where they are so needed. For instance, see Western world in comparison to places in Africa where baby girls get their clits cut or islamic societies where women are treated badly.
MordorsFinest 9y ago
Maybe conquest by Islam isnt so bad, at least each of us get a few slaves and when they complain tell them its what they fought for
nixon007 9y ago
And ultimately war is the father of men.
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I'll keep my head, thank you.
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rebuildingMyself 9y ago
Typical feminist/woman behavior to hamster away any agency when shit hits the fan.
firstpitchthrow 9y ago
this has to be my favorite part of the entire article. BP men, who comprise the overwhelming majority of the male population, won't say no to women out of fear of losing their affection. The more emasculated men get, the greater a percentage are BP. You are, on a society-wide level, turning men BP. Feminism is killing off the men that women are attracted to.
More for Chad, I guess.
Jordoom 9y ago
Until Chad and his genes die off.
Then it's more for Mohammed.
EuronPacificus 9y ago
You mean Chad Mustafa ibn Chad Mohammed.
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NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
I was commenting on this same article over on Dark Enlightenment.
Basically it's the concept of Yin and Yang:
http://img.tfd.com/mosbycam/thumbs/500288-fx3.gif
A healthy society keeps the male (Yang) in balance with the female (Yin).
The West has chosen the extremism of pure Yin... pure female imperative... "progress".
This creates a vacuum of Yang which draws masculinity from the outside. (immigration)
The root cause actually goes all the way back to the Battle of Hastings in 1066 when the Anglo-Saxons of England were enslaved by the Norman Viking French kings. This "House of Lords" (Vikings) ruled the Anglo-Saxons for 500+ years. In order to defeat these Norman kings the Anglo-Saxons exploited a flaw in the Magna Carta that limited the power of the king to rule over others. But in defeating the Normans in a cowardly way (with law) it set the feminization process into motion.
Ever since then the West has become more and more slave-like and more feminine.
Even the concept of radical individuality was invented to distract the aristocracy away from real power.
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So the bottom line is the West is running a Yang masculinity deficit.
This is why Red Pill seeks to correct the problem and restore balance to the West.
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Also if you go back to WWII it was a battle between the feminizing West and the masculine traditional nations such as Germany. The Germans went to the opposite masculine extreme. Once the masculine side lost the Cold War was a struggle between the Progressive and the Communist. The Progressives won. But the Communists did not become Progressives, they instead reverted to traditional cultures. So Russia and China today will reject the West. Islam also rejects the West.
The West is fucked. (and alone)
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cariboo_j 9y ago
Disagree on this point. Are you familiar with Neitzsche's work?
He argues communism is a form of herd mentality. Communists fear excellence or separating one's self from the herd. They are crabs in a bucket who want to pull everyone down to the level of the lowest common denominator in the name of equality.
This runs counter to the male drive towards competition and rising above one's peers.
Plus, Marx (or Engels, can't remember which) himself was a huge proponent of gender equality. He argued that women were exploited by men in the same way the proletariat were exploited by the bourgeoisie. This sloppy projection of the class struggle dynamic onto gender relations has always been a staple of feminism.
EDIT: Nevermind, upon rereading your post you're not arguing that Communism was a "masculine" ideology.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
No problem.
That sentence wasn't very well crafted.
http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/09/remembering-martin-heidegger-5/#more-57943
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Abstract concepts like controlling climate changes through mankinds intervention is this idea that man can rule nature simply by having good intentions towards a favorable outcome. In the mythical progressive world it's more important to feel good about your intentions about control than to actually have objective control.
Progressives erase mystery and substitute myth as a placeholder. (climate change obsessions)
The climate cycles through Ice Ages and warm periods naturally and it has done so for millions of years. Based on past climate cycles we are on comfortable territory as far as temperature, but CO2 is slightly higher than average for past cycles. (true)
During the age of the dinosaurs the CO2 levels were ten times higher than today.
So objectively CO2 is a non-issue... but for virtue signalling progressives they erase mystery and substitute myth, so we are to believe the myth of impending doom if we don't limit CO2.
That's pretty much how things operate these days, myth pushes out mystery. Genuine seeking of the mysteries of existence is replaced by pre-packaged emotional indoctrination myths.
The progressive might say:
"Why treat things as a mystery when we can declare our version of reality through myth?"
"Why bother with the Scientific Method that elevates the importance of mystery and uncertainty when we can manufacture myths that make us feel good?"
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fakenate1 9y ago
I don't think it really distracts from your point, but king John (who signed the magna carta) was not a Norman King. And in fact King John lost the duchy of Normandy to the French before he even signed the paperwork.
That and danelaw was part of the island of Britain for a long time before the Normans invaded. King Cnut (a Viking) was King of England until about a generation before the Norman conquest.
You did point out that the Normans were Vikings, which most people don't know, they settled in Normandy on land they took from the franks.
What's even more interesting is that after the Norman conquest of England, they conquered other parts of Europe. The Normans conquered Sicily from the Muslims who ruled the island.
Criket 9y ago
Feminist are shameless to blame men for their own issues
[deleted] 9y ago
I just realized that TheRedPill might be a foundation for 21st century Enlightenment.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 9y ago
Whaaaaaa? Since when?
No no no. This sub is NOT about that. This sub is about accepting the problem and enjoying the decline. It seeks to take advantage of the situation and maximize selfish pursuits.
However, it does seem at times like this group is about to up and start its own political party.
cariboo_j 9y ago
There's always been a battle between the MGTOW/PUA side of the manosphere who seek to change themselves, and the tradcon/MRA side who seek to change society.
The former is realistic and the latter are... not based in reality.
Tradcons, MRA's and Dark Enlightenment guys are reactionary and overly ambitious. You can even tell by the guy's name, NeoreactionSafe. Traditional gender roles aren't coming back due to changes in technology.
Either way, they weren't that great for men or women imo. (Feminists had a point when they said traditional gender roles weren't that great for women, where they fucked up was concluding men were evil oppressors who were doing it for the lulz. Rigid traditional genders roles were simply a necessary adaptation to a harsh environment.) I think society needs to find a new equilibrium based on radical individualism. We are in a transition stage and progressivism/feminism was a misguided stab in the dark at finding this new equilibrium. Eventually we'll arrive at something other than traditionalism or feminism, hopefully.
EuronPacificus 9y ago
Competition, self-improvement and masculine boldness (what this sub supports) are LITERALLY the reason for civilization.
GuitarHero07 9y ago
I wouldn't say that the Soviets, Nazis etc. were inherently more "masculine." The U.S. was a very masculine country for a long time. This is a country founded by people who crossed a vast ocean, leaving everything behind to establish a better life for themselves. It's a country that was founded at the barrel end of a gun. In the past, Americans, Brits, Germans, Scandinavians etc. have been a very warlike people. Just take a look back through their histories!
What has changed is that America and the West have enjoyed unprecedented levels of prosperity. This has never been seen before in human history. Our biggest health problems are now self-inflicted (poor diet, sedentary lifestyle, smoking etc.). The scale of problems that the average Westerner faces today pale in comparison to what his ancestors had to deal with. In many parts of the world, starvation, being killed in a war, dying of preventable/curable illness, death during childbirth, lawlessness and lack of basic infrastructure are very real problems.
Feminism wouldn't even exist today if things like the washing machine, supermarkets, refrigerators, vacuum cleaners etc. didn't exist. Birth control, our system of law and order, social media etc. were all invented by men. The most ardent feminists are white Western women....the most privileged group of humans on the planet. The strongest bastions of feminism are the richest cities: NYC, London, Toronto, San Francisco etc. The most expensive and elite universities are the intellectual center of feminism...Harvard, Columbia etc.
EuronPacificus 9y ago
You cannot compare the "Aryan Übermensch" to the "Manifest Destiny Mutt". One is a homogenous icon of masculinity, the other a social reject.
rp_valiant 9y ago
actually, these levels of prosperity were seen by Aristocratic women in the Roman Empire - Rich women with nothing to keep them busy. They then started a movement similar to today's feminism that was one of the many factors in the SPQR's downfall, including immigration of Goths and other non-Romans into the capital.
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If you look back, a lot of social movements came about when women had less work to do in the house. The development of the washing machine, stove, refrigerator, and when they were adopted into the average household are all near major social movements, such as prohibition (Carrie A. Nation) and Women's suffrage, which are around the times the Refrigerater and the stove became popular (1930s, 1910s respectively). Too little work, and too much free time and women become experts in "social justice"
killego 9y ago
Thankfully we will have the Trump Wall to stop immigration after this election.
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rp_valiant 9y ago
you reckon the politically aware right will outvote the optimistic left? I hope you're right, but I'm not holding my breath.
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rp_valiant 9y ago
yeah, I can't respect the man's business acumen when he started life with access to hundreds of millions. It takes a lot more skill to go from $0 to $1m than to go from $100m to $4b.
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Backfist 9y ago
That's fine but he is net positive and he is the only one on the republican stage that has any balls. Going from 100,000,000 to 4,000,000,000,000 is not too bad, how much higher does he need to go to impress you. Do we need to get up to tech mogul or Koch Brother numbers, the man did good things with his money and we need an Alpha in the white house for once.
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He makes a point. It's more impressive that Carson came from nothing, to being one of the top in his field. It's easy to make more money when you have a lot to begin with. The only thing Trump really has going for him, is his huge balls. Carson seems to have more brains to think things trough than trump judging by how they handle personal attacks. Carson doesn't seem totally beta either, just seems like an older man, where as trump seems like a man who is still in his 20s.
GuitarHero07 9y ago
I like the idea of a wall but first Trump has to get elected and I'm not sure his momentum will last. Then, he has to get approval from Congress. With both Dems and Repubs angling for the Latino vote, it won't be easy. Mexico won't be willing to pay for it and there's not much strong arming he can do because of NAFTA.
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cariboo_j 9y ago
NAFTA is pretty bad for Canada actually.
Multinational corporations extract oil from the tarsands in Alberta, then ship it to America for refining.
Canada loses out on job opportunities because it's cheaper for big multinational oil companies to use existing American infrastructure to refine oil rather than building new refineries in Canada.
Basically we eat the environmental costs (which are huge, tar sands and fracking are the dirtiest way to extract oil) and sell our raw oil for the bare minimum profit.
Same with trees and water. We ship our raw natural resources to America for processing then you guys sell them back to us at a huge markup.
Canada is pretty much America's bitch under NAFTA. Well, Canada has always been America's bitch but we're even more so under NAFTA.
GuitarHero07 9y ago
And how are you going to get Congress to play along?
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nomoreusernames678 9y ago
Essentially, you want someone to come in and usurp the law and legal process and do what you want him to do. Rest assured there is already a man who does this. Obama. And even though you don't like how he's been handling things, remember that his approval rating is almost 50-50, so your blue counterparts love the job he's doing.
My question is what makes your desires more important than the desires of those he's already fulfilling?
GuitarHero07 9y ago
You obviously don't understand the basics of the Constitution and how the U.S. government works.
RedDeadlift 9y ago
This was mentioned in South Park this week. So timely.
rp_valiant 9y ago
haha I knew I'd heard this repeated somewhere recently. I read about it a while ago though, not specifically about Goths but that freed slaves and foreign workers were promoted to Roman citizens and this caused a lot of infighting.
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cariboo_j 9y ago
So true.
You see the odd woman in these jobs but the vast, vast majority are men. These are absolutely necessary jobs that women either can't or won't do. Feminists forget all the wealth and safety they enjoy is provided by men, sometimes at great personal risk to these men. Civilization would literally crumble in a matter of days if men suddenly refused to do these jobs.
For this reason I find it especially disgusting when I hear of soldiers getting divorced rape.
ChadThundercockII 9y ago
I am a Muslim and live in a Muslim country. I recently met with an ex classmate of mine, a girl, who studies in Germany. She kept talking about her life their, the educational system, the societal norms.. etc then she brings up the "not peeing while standing for men". I laughed my asshole off. Then I went to the toilet and peed standing while enjoying my male privilege.
I feel sorry for Western men. The fertility rate in dropping and feminism is running rampage on their asses. We send them thousands of people and they accept them because they have no options.
I see one single solution to this problem. We keep sending our men to Europe. In a few years, Muslims constitute 70% of the population and Feminism won't have enough ground to grow. Then again, maybe Western men will grow pairs of brass balls to take control of their shit.
MrRexels 9y ago
That's just the natural order of things you know. Societies are born in tradition and religion, they subvert or conquer the ones around them, they reach hegemony and give up on what made them strong on the first place, thus they slowly start to decay and go to shit, and from that shit new, better societies arise.
Happened to the Romans, will happen to the Anglo-Saxon West too.
I recommend you guys learn spanish, Dominican Republic looks lovely this time of the year.
whatsazipper 9y ago
As far as languages go, Spanish is pretty easy to pick up. The sooner the better. US is already the second largest Spanish speaking country in the world (~45 million native speakers, +10 as second language).
oldredder 9y ago
Might consider Mandarin or Russian. The new main language will be, or derivatives will come from, the language of the conquerors.
whatsazipper 9y ago
The demographic 'conquerors' will be Spanish speakers. They will add about 100 million to the US population by 2050.
RationalistFaith1 9y ago
The "Islam Invasion" rhetoric is scary, I get there's immigration happening but the over generalizations are a little too much considering a lot of my Muslim friends are unnoticeable to your run of the mill Westerner. I'm with you for any immigrant that doesn't even try to assimilate.
Also, as a side note quite hypocritical and apathetic considering the West instigated colonialism as well as Oil Wars. These are but consequences of a century long of sins.
johnnight 9y ago
Precisely these memes make you weak and defenseless.
Backfist 9y ago
The funny part is going to be when the women start converting to Islam and fucking the new arrivals. This looks more to me like asymmetrical warfare than anything else, there is a window where men will have a chance to stand up and say enough is enough before the women will see it as weakness and bend the knee to the new patriarchy. Lets not forget also that Atheism and the destruction of Christianity is a part of this, deep down inside women will always be more respectful and subservient under the influence of religion and it gives the hamster plenty of room to run. These are just a few of the things I see, Islam is the new patriarchy and ~75% of the refugees flooding into Europe are male so either figure out how to get your governments in line or get ready to watch European Civilization burn. At least Putin is not fooled.
oldredder 9y ago
all wrong.
atheism is the one cure to this: the faith-based religion-wars of christianity and islam have power only if you give them faith. Atheists give them none. Let's not forget the influence of hard-line Judaism on top of those other 2. Atheists will have none of that either (which is completely apart from the same-named Jewish genetic situation, as genetics and religion are DISTINCT and it's incredibly misleading to use the same word/description for both).
ChairBorneMGTOW 9y ago
Wrong. You give people too much credit for rationality. Most people are too stupid or unmotivated to question reality, it needs to be fed to them.
I'm an atheist, but readily acknowledge that western society should operate under a Christian delusion. About 70-80% of people are too mentally weak for atheism. But Christianity is right for the west. It's the only religion that would cause minimum disruption if encouraged / imposed.
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The best irony is that women get their "powerful" jobs as doctors, lawyers, professors, etc and wonder why men don't want them any more.
tomysotomayorfuxboys 9y ago
Women think that their power and career success is supposed to attract men of equal, or, better yet, higher status. First of all, men generally aren't attracted to women's power or status. Second, men with money, power, and status tend to go for women who have lower status than they do. That way the woman benefits from the relationship, because he raises her socioeconomic status.
When some "successful" woman thinks she's entitled to a man who is richer than her, it is a joke, because she's not offering him anything. If a man has more money and status than the woman, the woman isn't really bringing anything to the table, in terms of status. If women want to use their money / power / status as a selling point, they'd have to go for lower status men, the way men do with women. Except women don't want to do that, and even low status men would usually prefer young, attractive women over "powerful" women anyway.
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EnergyDrinkGut2 9y ago
I just have to put this here. Dave Chappelle and Oprah classic :) link
NimbleStorm 9y ago
Forget status, money is the only reason I would fuck Oprah, then never call her back.
McLarenX 9y ago
The thought of fucking oprah makes my dick retract into my body
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CowardlyPetrov 9y ago
Whatever, I'm just going to convert to Islam when the collapse hits. Already working on my Arabic. Why do you have such a boner for the very nation that hates you and destroys itself?
johnnight 9y ago
Because then you lose your identity, both as an individual and as a nation. It can be painful.
P.S. Albanians and Bosniaks are slowly converting back to Christianity, because they remember that they have been forced to Islam centuries ago. This is how strong the need for identity is.
CowardlyPetrov 9y ago
What identity? I can barely see any national identity worth saving. Americans have the most of it, but what is left is barely anything more than "Love your country because it is the fucking best! SUPPORT THE TROOPS!"
Who, other than nerds, really knows the constitution? Understands or believes in actual principles as liberty and justice?
I can't speak for Albanians or Bosniaks, who I am not experts on but who I am fairly sure have plenty of ancient history and cultural identity, but in the colonies we ain't got shit.
What identity are you talking about? No part of my identity is linked to the nation. The nation -hates- me. And it hates you. I won't cry when it collapses under the weight of its own bile.
johnnight 9y ago
Then start your own tribe or clan or whatever.
https://paidtoexist.com/tribe-building/
P.S. The US is not a nation, but an empire. And I do not mean that in a global sense but just to the inhabitants of the continental states. What the official terminology calls the American nation for cohesion purposes are actually just citizens of the empire speaking the empire language. Nations are lower level. I can immediately count at least six for the US.
The Roman Republic/Empire probably also had some 'proposition nation' propaganda.
CowardlyPetrov 9y ago
I agree with you on the Empire count. I include Australia in the US Empire even though Australians do not vote for the US leadership.
But I don't see the sense in making my own tribe when I just join the most successful one.
LastRevision 9y ago
A civilization can only be as successful as to the extent of which it is able to control female sexuality. This makes women our primary interest in society, just not for the glamorous reasons they would like to believe.
A controlled female sexuality allows men to remain naïve (blue pill). When more men remain naïve and are guaranteed a woman and a family, they will be at peak productivity in making that civilization optimal. They will raise the most stable children who guarantee a positive future for that civilization.
Granted the patriarchy wasn't perfect, some men were abusive or took advantage of the easy power they were given, but the system obviously worked more times than it didn't and we need to structure a society around what works for the majority of the time.
As female sexuality is unrestrained in today's world, far less men are guaranteed a woman and some reject it due to all the exposed pitfalls (the naïve man becomes the red pill man). Instead of having men working collectively to build a strong civilization for their offspring, we have men working for their own individual gain as the world burns.
This is why we say that the system cannot sustain itself and will collapse; the system runs best when female sexuality is restrained and men are naïve.
PrinceofSpades 9y ago
Thanks for summarizing my bleak outlook on things so perfectly. I now have a more clear way I can explain things to any who would lend an ear, few as they are in this day and age, about why I gave up on society and now live solely for my own sake.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Great post, reminiscent of my essay on Promiscuity & Civilization.
http://illimitablemen.com/2015/08/26/promiscuity-civilization/
lala_xyyz 9y ago
The current system in the West won't collapse, it will just be replaced with something else that does place social controls on female sexuality. It will either come through Islam, or through restoration of Marriage 1.0 rules. Feminism is fertility-negative and will weed itself out from the gene pool in the long term. The same is valid for the naive blue-pill men (who get cucked and whose work is used to subsidize fertility-positive cultures through taxes) and jaded but childless red-pill men. The only question is which side will prevail. For an amusing take on it see Michel Houellebecq's recent novel Submission where the left pushes for a Muslim president who promptly undoes a century of feminism (and the men end up loving it).
fishysmelly 9y ago
I love this. Though with todays rapid spread of ideas through internet and general globalization feminism could very well spread faster than its population decline.
In the end all the world could get feminist and be fertility-negative. To be honest that is the only good thing about feminism in my opinion - that it decreases population, wich this world definately needs. That and post-feminism will be awesome, when the pendulum has swung back and hopefully we have solved the enviromental issues by then.
vakerr 9y ago
The high-tech civilization of the West is the result of science, technology and a high-trust (European style) society. It doesn't exist because of progressivism, it exists in spite of it. A low trust, kinship focused society where Islamic dogma dominates science will not support such high level of functionality. What you'll get is sliding backwards technologically, Malthusian limits reasserting themselves, and hopes for a human future among the stars extinguished.
lala_xyyz 9y ago
There will be no sliding back to Dark Ages because all of the knowledge and the technological know-how is preserved digitally today, and not stored on perishable paper and in human heads. Islam is more obsessed with social order than The-World-Is-Flat sort of "truths".
vakerr 9y ago
If the information existing in some form was sufficient for the successful functioning of a complex, high-tech society then there wouldn't be any backwards places on Earth. After all they all have access to the information from Wiki and discounted textbooks. European society needs European people to function. Transferring incompatible people to European soil doesn't magically turn them into highly functional Europeans. See how the overwhelming majority of muslims in Europe live in parallel societies without assimilating or doing much to maintain/improve the civilization around them. This remains true generation after generation.
lala_xyyz 9y ago
The lack of progress is not a regression. We are already sufficiently technologically advanced today to provide decent living for the majority of the society without them ever working. I originate from a developing country that has merely 28% taxpayer population - for the developed countries percentage could come way down. If the scenario that you describe ever becomes a threat to national security, I have no doubt that the issue will be tackled at the upper echelons of power. Human generations are 20-25 years which is very slow - by few generations' time that is necessary for Islam to pose a threat demographically we could easily be living in the stars. At any case I see the conflict as a boon - the West that has allowed itself to fall pray to feminism and the assorted Cultural Marxist WMDs deserves some culling and cultural reform. We have become weak and complacent.
vakerr 9y ago
I mostly agree with the last sentences of your post. The problem is that the money spent to contain the situation could have been spent on improving technology and live in the stars as you said. Notice that we've stopped going even to the Moon, because according to assorted lefty idiots "we need to solve problems here on Earth first". Today the upper echelons of power are completely detached from the situation. By the time they wake up it'll be too late to save anything.
drallcom3 9y ago
Right-wing parties are on the rise throughout Europe. The next 10-20 years are going to be interesting. Islam is not going to take over, but the welfare states can't be sustained to full extend anymore. Expect more unemployment and ghettos.
WingTune0 9y ago
Agreed. The degeneracy of blue-pilled beta liberal democracies are finally dying out, with massive support for right-wing nationalist parties on the rise, like with America's Trump and Greece's Golden Dawn Party, being more accepted by their respective populace.
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What Islam is missing is intellectual thinking on their religion and ideologies. Instead you get beheaded right the fuck away. They haven't had that unlike Europe (Enlightement) and Asia (Confucius).
drallcom3 9y ago
Fun fact: ISIS is actually only taking the Koran literal and doing what is says. It's just that no one likes to admit it.
Chet_Manly0987 9y ago
The amount of "intelligent, critical, forward thinking" people in the world who are aware of the 24 words you just posted is way wayyyyyyy too low.
But why listen to ISIS when they tell us why they are doing what they are doing... It couldn't be that easy.....right...?
thefulfox 9y ago
The only sketchy shit is the amount of Jewish influence in the group.
BigRedChewingChum 9y ago
Historically that is simply not accurate, Muslim culture such as in Baghdad circa 900 A.D. and the Levant near 1400 saw a flourishing of intellectualism. In fact, it was translated Greek and Roman documents circulating in the Muslim world that started the Renaissance in Europe by allowing these things to arrive on the Italian peninsula through trade with port cities like Venice. To say that Islam is lacking in intellectual thought is ignoring all of Islam's history before the 20th century. Iraq is fucked because of borders imposed by the British, Iran because of the imposition of the Shah by the United States, Syria because of training/arming rebels and a proxy war between Russia and Western Interests, and Saudi Arabia (repression-wise) because of King Fahd's crackdown on Westernization after the seizure of the Grand Mosque in Mecca by Juhayman in the 1970's. Like it or not, the West did a really good job at fucking up the Middle East, and now we're turning it on ourselves.
trevoris 9y ago
Wahhabism has fucked up these countries at least as much as the British or French, and countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran are de facto Imperial powers doing the exact same thing that the Europeans did a hundred years ago in places like Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, the list goes on and on.
The whole blame the West thing is starting to get old, and I don't think people are buying it anymore. Taking responsibility for yourself and not blaming someone else for your problems is what Red pill is all about.
Mrokthe 9y ago
Wahhabism was a fairly small cult until the USA spread it across the world. A few decades ago you wouldn't get shot for drawing Muhammad, in fact many Muslims did it. Wahhabism spread the idea of death for prophet depiction.
balkanthndr 9y ago
Iconography in Islam has ALWAYS been forbidden. When the Ottomans took over the Hagia Sophia, they literally stripped all of the Christian artwork and replaced it with equivalent Islamic calligraphy because of said issue of iconography.
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BenOfMahogany 9y ago
You definitely smoke crack daily bro
bushmonster43 9y ago
Yes, a genocide is definitely the best solution.
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vakerr 9y ago
Notice that whites are essentially genocided right now.
phrostbyt 9y ago
Do you want to be placed on a government list? Because yeah..
I_Smoke_Crack_Daily 9y ago
Freedom of speech. SucKKK my cocKKK
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FaustoRMD 9y ago
Not only feminism. Feminism is one of the tools the elites are using to destroy the pilars of the west. Xenostrogens, banning of raw milk and steroids, keynesianism in public schools...the list go long.
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ELIBakken 9y ago
Will there be any fight from the men or will we submit like our wild feral bitches?
2comment 9y ago
I hate blaming feminism for our woes, because in reality it's just a societal wide shit test.
The big problem is the amount of manginas and white knights that will rush forward to fail it for all of us. And it getting reinforced by the number of single parent households raising ever increasing amounts of betas, detas, zetas wtf do I know... and the courts suppressing any TRP behavior with their own blue pill judges/legislature and what not.
I've never really ever seen a feminist who really wasn't crying out for some stabilizing masculinity in her life, despite all the verbal diarrhea they routinely vomit out. These people often don't have stable lives nor an anchor and they go crazy trying to find one buried in the latest popular buzzwords and other nonsense.
McLarenX 9y ago
I used to think these fucks were funny. These neutered men who willingly give up their birthright to appease the feminine initiative. It's a serious problem, however, when these poor deluded souls want to take OUR money to pay for their Marxist welfare state.
These women will never get a masculine man. He doesn't want a fat, angry, multi-colored hair single parent woman who thinks gender is a "construct". He wants a feminine, pure, submissive, caring woman who will provide for the needs of him and his offspring.
So the above mentioned feminist will instead steal our money to support Chad Jr. (whoever's kid that was from the pool party gangbang), rejecting the emasculated pussies they created. I don't think anyone really thought through the potential long-term consequences of this system.
Matsew 9y ago
this is 9 years old? that man is a prophet
dr_warlock 9y ago
Don't forget to add Aldous Huxley and George Orwell
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Tbh though if AL gore were president the world would have been a bit better off without the war fucking everything up so that was a bad example
inu51kza 9y ago
Isn't the point that these sjw types have just stolen bush's crony capitalist strategy of killing free speech, using shame tactics and increasing sexual policing/repression.
He did it for profit and pandered to ultra right nutjobs cynically but they've taken the same format and gone insane with it.
microaggressions ultra shame tactics rape culture patriarchal theory. it's terrifying what they're doing and its going to leave a neutered broken society. he pushed the kill privacy deregulate bankers and shame anyone for dare questioning the war you must hate the troops but this is just that but worse.
in bushs usa society hates you for abstractly disrespecting brave troops. in sjw America antifeminism makes you a rapist
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so we were fucked either way? and are getting fucked both ways since both hold true right now.
inu51kza 9y ago
Honestly yeah. Alpha status isn't going to solve shit. She will never be impressed. Worth 1m? Oh but that other lawyer in your group is worth 10m. Richest in your group? yeah but Sarahs bf has an 8 inch cock.
Sluts will be sluts. Encourage sexual freedom decry slut shaming maintain the image. Fuck around in your 20s. Find religion in your 30s and marry a sheltered girl in your new community. Shell be boring but that's why you have friends. A good partner is stable and predictable and reliable above all else.
Politically dedicate your life to academia activism etc or shut up and play the game within the new rules. Ideaology is like a pendulum swinging back and forth. This generation was liberal because of conservatives in power exploiting their influence. Next will swing back seeing the left go nuts. Just like the baby boomers did when they saw socialism in power.
Powerful people don't care about ideaology they care about power. Ideaology is how they gain power. Don't fall into the trap.
Bush Clinton Bush Obama all pushed the same policies of slow erosion of privacy and rights and increased control. Big or small fed rhetoric aside theyre all happy to grow the one branch of the state which gives them more control ie defence.
americanenglishh 9y ago
Or you could simply stop putting so much weight into women? What is this madness? Are you so paranoid and spineless that you must alter your entire life and become religious simply because you're afraid of hooking up with a slut? Jesus Christ.
inu51kza 9y ago
Who's being paranoid and spineless. It's basic pragmatism. You could waste your life redesigning it around RP principles or just use the institutions built which for 1000s of years have on a societal level tried to solve most of the issues that come from basic hypergamy instinct.
You don't have to believe in supernatural fairies to take advantage of a club that teaches people morals once a week/month (most eastern religions don't require any sort of regular attendance or even have a supernatural component).
You're a man with dreams and things to build and achieve. You could waste years spinning plates training sluts fighting off the instincts and rhetoric feminist society/their peer group is feeding them .
Or you could take the shortcut and find someone with an acceptable entrenched value system that people around her consolidate regularly.
Worst case scenario you pay a little lip service for 2 or 3 festivals a year but is it really that big a deal having a family friend send you a Christmas/diwali/hannukah whatever card with God bless you and your family?
It keeps society in order.
Flip perspective and it's your approach that's putting way too much effort into women to uphold pointless principles when there's an easy time tested societal solution available.
oldredder 9y ago
Makes more sense to get your shit together: finances, resources, skills - and migrate to a safer part of the planet, which there are plenty of right now.
inu51kza 9y ago
Who says not to get your shit together? Migrating for a countries feminism stance seems daft imo.
oldredder 9y ago
daft because it increases your legal freedoms so you're no longer a slave?
Funny, that seems to actually be the optimal solution.
PoopSmearMoustache 9y ago
Even with the strongest of atheist leanings it seems to me that the only logical choice here is to revert back to pseudo-Christianity and segregation of the sexes during adolescence like a failed checkmate attempt against our foe - human oppression.
The sisterhood have pretty much risen to the role of policing the values and authorising status for all up and coming men. A whole class reversal of the sexes is happening in the west and men (weakened by a complete lack of authority over women in any social sphere) spoil the "magic" that was the woman's own seduction and cause for her charm (simply tougher men). We all know they offer up false virtues for men that she knows she won't be attracted to simply because she can set them not only because they are the complete opposite of what can be found attractive at the outset (for the average male).
Don't expect a beta uprising either, in the coming generations they will be neutered like dogs on their first offence.
Unless men of today stop this trend from staining the social fabric we can expect the still functioning, still magical, "exotic" cultures to swoop in and liberate western women from what they must feel is the inevitable failure of every single man to prevent society from total self-destruction.
through_a_ways 9y ago
The west is synonymous with feminism.
The western philosophies (really they're more specifically Anglo values) of liberty, individualism, and self determination, are what makes the west great.
You could theoretically have a white civilization without feminism. But that would also necessitate the absence of trains, computers, modern plumbing, etc.
Female sexuality is only controlled by male necessity. After male necessity goes, hypergamy and serial monogamy runs amok. Social shaming of female sexuality can abate the transition, but not stop it, as social trends evolve to fit physical constraints.
The west invents things that makes natural male talents less necessary. Do the math.
oldredder 9y ago
All wrong. It will take a strong atheist leader with strong betas behind him to change it all.
ChairBorneMGTOW 9y ago
I'm strongly atheist myself, but most of society is too mentally weak to question reality, they need it fed to them. And if we need to force feed society a religion to man our men the fuck up, militant Christianity is probably the best choice since its the most compatible with pre-feminism western values.
Encouraging atheism will only weaken our social resolve. America's bible belt might have ducked up ideas about how the universe got here and what happens after death, but they know how to organize a healthy social order.
Your laughable strong atheist leader with his pack of betas will just weaken society and thus enable Islam to rape our females while beating us into a crippled state, compelling us to impotently watch.
inu51kza 9y ago
Calm your tits. Being ethnic or non white is still a -3 handicap for your SMV in western society and that's not changing any time soon.
Only difference is now white men who aren't in the top 10% are treated as badly as ethnic men.
More chance of alpha men joining these oppressive religions and culture sick of CC riding sluts than women.
through_a_ways 9y ago
I highly doubt that. If you look at shows for small children and teens, there are loads of white female/non-white male pairings. A brief stint on any European dominated penpal website (not American) will reveal every other <20s girl as obsessed with Korean, Japanese, and even Chinese pop idols.
As you go forward in time, the power of women relative to men increases, and the power of non whites relative to whites increases.
You're speaking from an absolutist standpoint, and from that standpoint it's still quite true. But if you compare the situation for non-white males now to the situation in the 1950s, it's totally false.
As alternative media become even more popular, and poor countries acquire better nutrition and become taller, this difference will shrink significantly.
oldredder 9y ago
Nope. It's very clear being a muscular latino or black man gets you +2 SMV against a ton of white men in nearly the same age & fitness category, for most of the women around.
inu51kza 9y ago
Only in lower socio economic classes imo because gangstwr types are the kings of their society. From suburbia upwards ie most of western society it's only a phase to piss off parents and get some attention or because you've heard they have massive dicks and you're thirsty.
No well off white girl wants to date an ethnic unless they jump through all sorts of hoops and are as white washed as possible. Guys like Obama - handsome light skin brown harvard law etc get non ghetto white girls. they're unicorn rare.
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MelodyMyst 9y ago
It's sad to say, but if you are old enough and if you were paying attention, you can see where almost every "slippery slope" argument of the last 50+ years has come to pass.
Hrodrik 9y ago
I was in agreement with this until it became a rant on socialism/left wing politics instead of being just about feminism. You actually implied that somehow it would have been worse if Al Gore had won instead of GEORGE FUCKING BUSH.
How people even confuse socially progressive science-based policy with fundamentalist feminism and PC behavior/censorship is beyond me. When was the last time that right-wing policies actually helped a country advance?
Even if many of the cultural changes that feminism brings can be detrimental, empowering women also has many advantages. It is known that one of the major signs of a society that is not shit is when women are educated. And from personal experience, women can do a lot of shit right in the workplace. At least in the world of science.
I dare you guys to find a culture where women are oppressed that you would like to be a part of. Would any of you like to live in the Arabian Peninsula? For all the right wing bullshit I see here, at the same time I also see a lot of admiration for fucking muslims and how they treat women as cattle.
Anyway, stop fucking mixing feminism with the idea that people should have fair wages and access to education, health, infrastructure, etc. It's insane.
caesarfecit 9y ago
Unfortunately, feminism made its bed with the Marxists a long time ago. As a result, it's almost impossible to draw a distinction between the gender warriors and the class warriors. They formed an unholy alliance of professional victims/le oppressed a couple generations ago.
That being said, there's a lot of reactionary braindead social conservatism in this thread that gives sane social conservatism/moderation (i.e. the Red Pill) a bad name.
Full disclosure: I is libertarian.
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One_friendship_plz 9y ago
Also keep in mind men that women already have control over the development of society.
All it simply takes is for these women to switch to the feminist side for us to be screwed. Fortunately they aren't very competent.
for ages 0-15 a male is predominantly influenced by a woman.
oldredder 9y ago
Argument is invalid: muslims actually don't want to migrate but someone went in and bombed all their homes for no good reason, then invented a reason that was a lie, oh and then found it was cheaper to steal oil by guarding pipelines and wells with US soldiers instead of just paying money for it directly to those who owned it.
Muslim migration is not the problem. Military global dictatorship terrorism is actually the problem and every person in every nation is made a slave because of it, and ONE tine of the trident is people MIGRATING away from terrorism-death, and ANOTHER tine in the trident is FEMINISM, and yet another is FIAT CURRENCY, and so on.
Sawagurumi 9y ago
this is the old story we keep hearing, 'we are victims, it isn't us'. The big migration is because of the aftermath of the Arab Spring, where people attempted to overthrow dictators, but in Syria it didn't work. What we have found is that there was a good reason for there being dictators, it simply isn't the case that democracy is a good system for everybody at every stage of their development. Assad is not our doing, and actually neither is the centuries-old conflict between Sunni and Shia, which is what is behind ISIS.
Saying everything is the West's fault is just following the feminist line. It is all those nasty white men that are causing the trouble. But remember that those coming into Europe, often cast as refugees, are actually economic migrants. They have made such a piss poor job of managing their own countries and now want to invade an area that is economically better and more peaceful.
metal_music 9y ago
So good to see someone actually stand up and call out this for what it is, made up nonsense.
Muslims didn't just wake up one day and say: "Oh you know what, let's abandon our homes, businesses, risk our lives by crossing treacherous seas in rickety boats, crawling under barbed fences just so that we can fuck white women and enslave them with our new patriarchy!"
If you want to blame someone, blame your own government..
getRedPill 9y ago
It's not only feminism but the whole cultural marxism combo, in which feminism is the most visible and loud voice and attacking spear. But expect more to come, the other are just getting strong and ready to attack when feminism lose credibility which it is already losing.
For instance, there's nothing that makes man more pussified and blue pilled than Welfare State, which works in conjunction with feminism and paved it's way decades ago. In welfare states the traditional provider and bread-winner have no value because everything is given to him so there's no proud no more in working and going out to earn food so he becomes weaker and weaker in mind and body. Same for her, if she needs shelter or food she doesn't need a man anymore she goes to daddy state to a) give some stamps or b) force some man to pay for her. Daddy State is the ultimate Alpha in today western societies and we all are betas in comparison. Men lost value in the eye of women.
There's more in the mix, like Political Correctness which is only a form of hidden coward censorship, but for today I leave it there.
TriadOmega 9y ago
Great write up. I personally believe that this is spot on, and eventually once this shit has been pushed too far a more radical and and revolutionary force will take over. I wouldn't be surprised if in 100 years women are no longer allowed to vote:
"look what happened last time we gave you that privilege"
redpillbanana 9y ago
If you want to see how feminism and political correctness can destroy a country, look at Sweden, the "Saudi Arabia of feminism" as Julian Assange calls it.
Here's a great article from the defunct website The Spearhead:
https://archive.is/1UXGw
Excepts:
Anyway I'm going to end up quoting the entire article because it makes so many good points. Just go and read it.
You'll see all the hallmarks of feminism:
103342 9y ago
It is amazing how obvious this stuff is and at the same time so controversial.
Feminism is like the wolf dressed as a sheep. It sounds so good: Everyone has the same freedom, we are all equal and no more violence, no more agression, free love, etc.
Men see in feminine behavior a chance to get complacent, live in peace and not compete with other males.
But nature was never made to be peaceful. Most societies start to thrive by winning wars. Buildings and bridges and computers and electronics and cars... All built with male blood and sweat.
Our sacrifices mean nothing anymore. Our achievements are seen has an obligation and sometimes even looked down upon.
Obio1 9y ago
Along those lines, here's a truly awesome bit of parody: http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/25/were-sorry-for-producing-our-cisgendered-son/
TheCrimsonLozenge 9y ago
Excellent read, thanks for sharing. Although it worries me that there might be parents who think like that and the line between satire and reality is blurring.
fingerthemoon 9y ago
Lol, good read. I didn't realize it was satire at first and was horrified. Hahahaha
recoveringdeleted 9y ago
Why look as far as sweden? I only have to look out my window
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I hadn't heard of this before so I went in search of information to see if it was true. Apparently it's not (it's not actually illegal), but I found a quote in an article that blew my mind and I have to share:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/a-victory-for-the-right-to-pee-standing-up/384754/
Men aren't even people in Europe anymore. I want to feel relieved - hey, at least it's not that bad over here in the US - but I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
jsalathe 9y ago
We visited my family in Hamburg this summer and our cousin (male), the father, reprimanded my son for standing while peeing in their toilet. The whole time he was trying to explain to my 6 year old why it was better to sit down to pee, my son was laughing because he thought it was a joke. I couldn't have been prouder. My son never once sat down to pee and just mocked my relatives for being girly.
yuube 9y ago
It depends where in Europe I think, my family is southern Italian and many places there still have traditional men and women.
pumpkinrum 9y ago
That's messed up. Of course it's common practice, what the hell?
thomasdelege 9y ago
Here in the Netherlands most people roll their eyes and go on with their lives whenever some feminist took over a TV discussion about any topic. Most of us are way too busy for nonsense like feminism (busy with med school in my case). Maybe Scandinavia is bad in terms of "feminism" but don't assume Europe is one country with one culture. Many southern countries are still quite traditional in terms of gender. Sure, every adult can vote but most Europeans don't give a single fuck about it and most males kind of enjoy the naked feminist protesters!
trp-grasshopper 9y ago
The west is a "group think" mentality, I'm a canadian, and I don't have enough fingers on my hands to count the number of places in Europe I'd love to call home.
americanenglishh 9y ago
Again, lots of bullshit. There are no such zones in Sweden. None at all. There are ghettofied areas such as Angered and Rosengård, but to suggest that these areas are controlled by Sharia law and are so dangerous that the police dare not enter is utter madness.
Swedish ghettos are kindergarten-tier compared to the US equivalent. Sure, people commit crimes in higher rate around these areas - but Sweden is by no means a dangerous country.
Still, immigration is a problem.
And I would also like to point out, as a Swede, that I haven't heard of this "don't stand up and pee"-nonsense in ten years.
Edit: Again, I'm being downvoted for telling the truth. I'm being downvoted because the truth doesn't fit into your world view. This reeks of feminism techniques. You're no better than the people you oppose.
Sweden has definitely gone downhill since immigration shot through the roof, but to suggest that there are dangerous "no go zones" in Sweden is ridiculous. Sweden had 87 homicides 2014. That's 87 homicides in a country with a population of almost ten million. In comparison, Chicago had 460 homicides in 2014 on a population of 2.7 million.
avoiceoftreason 9y ago
This, together with declining murder rates, is an argument used by the mainstream media to prove that Sweden is safe. The statistics aren't wrong, but they're terribly misleading. A mere glance at crime statistics will show you that everything except murder rates has been rising significantly over the past few decades (especially violent crimes), including things like murder attempts, which have doubled since 1980 (against a population growth of 17%). The main explanation here is improved emergency health care: an injury that would have killed you twenty years ago can often be survived today.
On no-go zones: the fact that ambulances and firefighters cannot/refuse to enter certain immigrant-majority areas without police escort says a lot. I agree that the police still enters these areas, but certainly not without risk - remember the police van that was hit by a hand grenade this summer?
americanenglishh 9y ago
Sweden is safe. Is it safer than before? No, definitely not. But it's still safe, and compared to a country like the US where some cities have more homicides on a single street than the entirety of Stockholm, you really can't argue that Sweden is safe. It's all relative, though, and Sweden is definitely not as safe as it was thirty years ago, let alone ten.
I'm not pro immigration. It's a massive issue and an extremely hot topic in Sweden right now. The country is divided, both politically and socially. There hasn't been a political topic this hot in Sweden before. Not in my lifetime at least.
I'm just cracking down on the myths in this thread where people paint Sweden as a country of cuckolded, spineless beta males.
jsalathe 9y ago
I was in northern Germany visiting relatives this year and we were admonished more than once to sit while peeing. Though I love and respect my kin, I won't abide that. We proudly stood while peeing and accepted the complaints.
jsalathe 9y ago
I was in northern Germany visiting relatives this year and we were admonished more than once to sit while peeing. Though I love and respect my kin, I won't abide that. We proudly stood while peeing and accepted the complaints.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Not sure why you're being downvoted - I always appreciate a person with first-hand experience. I've never been to Sweden so I can only go by articles that I've read. Sadly, first-hand articles on many of these subjects seem to be banned in Sweden.
The point of the Muslim no-go zones (in the above article) was to point out that Sweden is censoring many of these stories due to laws enforcing political correctness, so it is difficult to the real story. Would love to get your input on the PC censorship there.
In terms of murder, it seems that Sweden is much safer than the USA. However, I keep reading articles similar to this one. Again, would love your perspective on this.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
americanenglishh 9y ago
Hey, thanks for the reply. PC censorship is strong over here, but I'm inclined to believe that it is no different from other progressive countries within the western hemisphere, where political correctness prevails and is the norm.
Regarding the rape statistics - this has got to be the most filthy way of distorting the truth to paint Sweden as the devil of Scandinavia.
To even put a shred of faith into the notion that Sweden could possibly be ranked 2nd in the world in rapes per capita is absolutely astonishing. Let's say Somalis are the ones doing the raping - wouldn't Somalia then have much higher rates of rape since there's a higher concentration of Somalis in that area? The same argument can be used for arabs and other african ethnicities.
Sure, I believe immigrants are more inclined to rape than Swedes, but that "Rape capital of Europe" is utter bullshit. This is just proof that Sweden is the most progressive and liberal country in the world, because those numbers factor in rape allegations, and not just actual raping. Women in Sweden actually REPORT these men. Rape numbers shot through the roof once they broadened its definition: for example, if you touch a girl between her legs against her consent, they add a rape charge in the statistics. Also, if you rape your wife 300 times, that counts as 300 separate cases of rape - whereas in other countries it may only count as one.
Tl;dr - Different countries have different definitions of rape and different ways of registering each case.
I would like to point out that yes, immigration is still a problem. But the Swedish Democrats, our anti-immigration party, got 26-27% of the votes in the latest survey, and that's up from 10% last election. People aren't blind anymore.
avoiceoftreason 9y ago
The main difference between media in Sweden and in other countries is that there is essentially no conservative media in Sweden. In a normal country, when a political party makes a proposal, some news outlets support it while some oppose it. This doesn't happen in Sweden, because all news outlets essentially share the same opinions (beside some small differences on economic issues, e.g. the size of the welfare state). All news outlets are pro-immigration, which means that you never get to read about its negative effects.
This creates a situation where it becomes more important for parties to please the media rather than the voters, because they have to choose between getting support from all the media outlets or none of them. This leads to policies that are popular among progressive media but unpopular among the population, such as splitting paternal leave by gender instead of letting the parents themselves decide.
Luckily, thanks to the internet, people are slowly starting to read other points of view.
redpillbanana 9y ago
What I've heard is that some of the muslim men have no problems raping a non-muslim woman since they are infidels anyway. Again, no idea if this is really true - it's just what I've heard coming from that area.
So between PC censorship and inflated feminist statistics, it sounds like it is impossible to get the real story.
fishysmelly 9y ago
It cannot be overstated how hard the PC censorship really is. I'm from Sweden and it was in Poland I learned about some controversial rapes. Turned out the Poles were right
americanenglishh 9y ago
Yeah, rape happens in Sweden. But it is utterly ridiculous to believe that Sweden has more rapes than capita than any African, South African or underdeveloped country (i.e India). Reports? Allegations? False rape charges? Maybe so. Actual rapes? Fuck no.
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Sweden aka the cuck capital of the world
libchh 9y ago
Well, our laws and public media for sure. The cultural elite or w/e are undoubtedly beta as hell, but at the same time a lot of young males are starting to hate what's happening and waking up. There's a lot of bitching on the net about immigration, gypsy beggars and now recently the refugee campaigns.
Look at it this way, there's a political party who wants to limit all immigrations by abot 90%, which are steadily rising. Sweden may have successfully forced people to be quiet or face social ridicule for criticising the far left, but votes are still anonymous and in all polls the Swedish Democrats rise
americanenglishh 9y ago
Have you ever been to Sweden? I can only assume you are ill-informed and, much like feminists themselves, gullible and easily tricked by such myths as the "standing while peeing" bullshit. There is no such thing in Sweden. None at all.
Edit: Am I honestly being downvoted for telling the truth? I live in Sweden you fuckwits. That standing while peeing bullshit was a proposal we had years back, and it failed to come through. You guys are fucking sad for downvoting the truth because it doesn't fit into your world view. Hmm...seems like a familiar approach to debating. Something something feminism.
reigorius 9y ago
It's a catchy phrase to say and sulk at the implied unfairness of how feminism are treating men. It is one of the bigger dangers of online fora and its cultural legacy. We start screaming mantras without any form of factual background check.
NimbleStorm 9y ago
That fact that it was a proposal at all is ridiculous.
americanenglishh 9y ago
Really? A proposal can come from anyone. The fact that we live in a democracy and such a proposal as "Gays should not have rights!" could, albeit not likely in Sweden, surface is just proof of that - we live in a democracy. You're being dishonest.
NimbleStorm 9y ago
No dishonest bullshit here. I'm all for democracy, but just because I have a vote doesn't mean I should vote to subjugate people I don't like.
And I think the people who truly believe that gays shouldn't have rights and use government as a means to that end is equally ridiculous as whatever's happening in Sweden regarding wanting men to sit when they pee.
What is bullshit is the majority of people forcing the government to meddle in the affairs of private citizens in areas that don't affect the average person in any significant way.
And I couldn't give a shit about meaningless internet points.
americanenglishh 9y ago
Well, again, you're making it seem like such ludicrous proposals are limited to Sweden. Because Sweden is soooo PC and men are such spineless betas, amirite?
Edit: Since you edited, why are you still on about this peeing stuff? I have literally NOT heard this proposal from anyone in the last ten years, and feminism is "stronger" than ever. This is not happening. People pee however they fucking want to pee. I vaguely remember hearing about it in school many years ago. That's it.
NimbleStorm 9y ago
Oh it's definitely not limited to Sweden
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Steve_Wiener 9y ago
Is there really a law against them standing to piss?
americanenglishh 9y ago
No, there is not. It'd be pleasant if people stopped spreading bullshit like this. I haven't heard of this "Don't stand up while peeing" bullshit in 10 years, and I was born and raised in Sweden. Just like the PC-sheep and feminists, TRPers and anti-feminists spread an equal amount of bullshit. This is not true.
I find it utterly hilarious that people paint Scandinavia as some sort of cuck-capital, when in truth feminism has subsided immensely over the last few months, and our feminist party barely breaks the voter threshold. The US is much worse.
Steve_Wiener 9y ago
I looked it up. Some people were proposing it as a law.
So you're from Sweden. I read men have to pay more taxes than women and it's illegal to get a paternity test. Is that true? the paternity thing might have been France. Has your gf slept with a Somali? How can feminism subside immensely over a few months when it is in the government and laws and academia is pushing it like its the gospel?
americanenglishh 9y ago
Men paying higher taxes in Sweden? No. There's been such a proposal, however - called "Mansskatt" (Male Tax). Roughly translating the information on "Male Tax", it says: "Male Tax, also called equality tax, has been a tax proposal as a financially political means to increase equality in Sweden. The people who have brought forward this idea also claim that men are collectively responsible for violence against women, and that said violence could be regulated through political means."
But it is true that men pay in AVERAGE 55% more in taxes than women. I think that's quite easily explained, though. It's also true that men don't earn as much as 55% more than women in average, but rich people in Sweden pay ENORMOUS amounts of money in taxes - and a vast majority of them are male.
Regarding paternity test...it's hard to come by any valid information, but there are lots of threads on Swedish forums where men urge other men to take paternity tests. So, my guess is no, it's not illegal.
I don't have a girlfriend, but I doubt she would've slept with a Somali. To be frank, none of the girls I know have slept with any blacks/first generation immigrants. The general consensus among girls WHERE I LIVE is that they prefer European dick. No doubt about that.
Feminism is currently not an important topic in Sweden, due to the sudden and recent rise of migration issues. It has severely divided the political climate and all I see these days on my Facebook, and Swedish forums, are topics concerning immigration.
The Swedish Democrats (anti-immigration party) scored 27% of the votes in the latest survey, up from 10% last election.
fishysmelly 9y ago
I'm also from Sweden and I agree with most of what you say.
Though it is not hard at all to get a paternity-test in Sweden, it is not illegal and it is not hard to get by valid information.
My experience with girls fucking with blacks I think you are a bit wrong. Most girls will not LTR them nor confess that they have fucked them. But many swedeish girls will fuck them, just go to Stureplan in Stockholm and have a look for yourself.
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MelodyMyst 9y ago
Wow! This was some fucked up shit I just read.
avoiceoftreason 9y ago
284 parliamentary seats out of 349 are held by feminist parties - and that's only because I'm not counting the Christian Democrats (16 seats), although I should with statements by their party leader like "there are no biological differences between men and women" and "you are the gender you choose to be".
americanenglishh 9y ago
What? The feminist party (Fi) holds no seats in parliament.
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/ledamoter-partier/
The Swedish Democrats, our anti-immigation party, holds 49 seats and the Christian Democrats 16. The rest of the parties are not "feminist" parties. By that logic, Obama is a feminist because he stated that women earn less than men.
avoiceoftreason 9y ago
I consider 6 (maybe 7) out of the 8 parties in the Swedish parliament to be feminist, because they hold a feminist worldview (e.g. patriarchy and male privilege) and they consistently support feminist policies. Only the Moderates, the Christian Democrats and the Sweden Democrats don't specifically call themselves feminist.
Feminist Initiative is on a whole different (totalitarian) level of feminism.
americanenglishh 9y ago
But there is such a thing as patriarchy. The patriarchy is a necessity for human survival from a biological perspective. No one can deny that while women have a lot of power by proxy, men have direct power in the upper echelon of society (i.e. presidents, powerful politicans, corporate leaders). This is not a feminist myth.
This is the product of our biology. It's not as if every culture in the world with no connection to one another simultaneously decided to oppress the female gender and snatch the power positions in society. No, this was a natural process that came about through the natural order of things. Men are stronger, men are fiercer, men are tougher, men have testosterone. Men hunt, maybe even for days, men kill animals, men skin the animals and return home with food. The woman? She took care of the children and cleaned the household while the man was out there sacrificing his life for a piece of meat.
Now, it's easy to see which of these positions hold more importance for our survival. Men TOOK the power just like that. Because when men are not in power, society crumbles.
This is the patriarchy, and it's neither a myth nor a bane upon equality.
What will happen if humanity is decimated and society crumbles? Who will rebuild society? Who will women turn to in order to survive? Yeah, you guessed it right.
About those parties being feminist... I disagree. Their focus lies heavy upon other topics such as the Syrian refugee crisis and our economy. Feminism is powerful, but it's not the hottest topic today.
fishysmelly 9y ago
I would argue that "Miljöpartiet" ("The enviroment party") is more a feminist party than it is an enviromental party. They are arguably the second most powerful party...
americanenglishh 9y ago
Hmm, what's your reasoning here? Miljöpartiet holds 6,89% of the votes and seats in parliament. That's nothing.
fishysmelly 9y ago
They are one of the two Governing parties together with "Socialdemokraterna"
TheRedThrowAwayPill 9y ago
"FEMINISIM .... DESTROY ... WEST" in title? Check
"Islam" in the body? Check
Alllahauuuuuuakkbaarrrr .. .err.. I mean, this isn't really knew. YOU may be reading all this in a 2015 RP light. But remember, this was in a post-9/11 world where he's not really talking about "ISLAM"; the author is really hinting at terrorism rampaging all over Europe like 100 years, and by side-effect Islam will inherit as a trophy this newly de-masculinzed land.
(Of course it would; because Europe would be for the taking if it was only ran by feminism).
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Jashinist 9y ago
The actress is Anne Hathaway, not Angelina Jolie.
Ferelden 9y ago
I think this is a flawed premise. The most powerful men in the country are only allowing feminism to work because it isn't costing them anything. As soon as it does, and it will, you'll see the media and government start pushing back.
fundude12 9y ago
Feminism is basically a scheme that destroys a society over the longer term.
Initially, feminism appears to marginally increase productivity for the rich classes by expanding the work force. Therefore, it appears all positive and no negative for the rich classes when it first starts.
The problems arise over the longer term. Feminism destroys the birth rate due to "career women", increases the divorce rates, allows for the development of affirmative action that pushes more qualified men out of important positions, etc.
Therefore, over the longer run the society collapses due to:
1) Inefficiency that develops due to AA women taking top positions they aren't qualified for.
2) Educational standards collapse due to single moms being unable to raise the next generation well. Also, schooling becomes "emotional" rather than standard based.
3) Birth rates collapse due to "career women" stop having children. Career women don't want to commit during their best fertility years "while developing their career" to ride the CC in an attempt to lock down a man WAY out of her league. The hypergamy is further exacerbated because the women are shooting for the few men left at the top positions (which haven't been destroyed by AA).
4) Massive third world immigration is needed to keep the socialist economy to survive. With such low birth rates, the society is unable to function without a massive immigration scheme. This leads to more "male dominated societies" that have healthy birth rates to take over the feminist societies.
Within 3 generations, the feminist society is finished and replaced by another patriarchal society.
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Rougepellet 9y ago
Thus the cycle continues. Sometime will pass and people will forget the cancer known as feminism that was the downfall of a previous generation. Women will slowly request more rights and men will collectively fail shit test after shit test.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
The scary thing about this is that it looks like that patriarchal society is going to be an Islamic one here in Europe given the decline in white European birth rates and the steep rise in net incoming migration from the muslim world.
fundude12 9y ago
Yes Islamic in Europe
Mexican in America (if we're lucky)
Redasshole 9y ago
You mean I was born in the last generation of feminism and that once I die all the men will have some fun while I'm fucking dead?
FUCK
fundude12 9y ago
Possibly, feminism has only really become the norm in the last generation.
The baby boomers never really experienced feminism until they changed the policies when they took over politics.
The WW2 generation never supported the feminist changes.
Redasshole 9y ago
I can imagine the men thinking about feminism as a good old joke.
I hope they build fucking statues to commemorate our sacrifice.
CuntyMcFagNuts69 9y ago
http://i.imgur.com/2sH181I.jpg
McLarenX 9y ago
Holy fucking shit. I don't know what is more scary, the fact that she admits "feminism" ("equal rights" my ass) is a tool used to rectify sexual regret, or the fact that she wants a solution to consensual sex that she later regrets.
We created this. Easy student loans and the creation of shitty, useless degrees created this.
Nieben 9y ago
Actually, complacency will destroy "the West".
Complacency destroys all.
billcosbyeatsbabies 9y ago
In this context, the concept of Islamic tradition is great. And I agree. It's a direct representation of a properly functional male-dominated society. The part where it goes all wrong for me is believing in the man in the sky. You know what?? Allah isn't in the sky! He didn't make the universe and all things holy. Allah, or the figure of God, is inside us all. God is the interior of every single human being ever. When the bible or torah says "God says love everyone as you would love your neighbour", it's saying that you should embrace that ideology!! It's not even demanding that you believe in the mysterious man in the sky, it's asking that you believe in yourself. That's what believing in God is. It's believing in yourself wholeheartedly to the point where you have embraced all the good messages of the bible and do them and share them with others.
cadetmaster 9y ago
Brilliant post.
Based in the UK at the moment and this plague has more than erupted. It's a hilarious alliance of feminists and muslims, who rather ironically believe in almost polar opposite ideologies. It would be quite amusing if they both did not infect the young with their "progressive" garbage, then again I suppose with such foolish beliefs, much like the religious, it's better to brainwash them young as nobody of age would believe such tripe.
garlicextract 9y ago
Ding ding ding ding, this is why we come to TRP. Great insight.
ChairBorneMGTOW 9y ago
This is without a doubt in my mind the single most important post ever made to The Red Pill.
raffraffraff 9y ago
What. The. Fuck. Did I just step through a portal to a parallel earth where politics is 'hard left' and people want more knuckle dragging? If so, then this reddit post on the front page is the first evidence of it so far. At least the tea and marmalade are just as good in this dimension. The leaps in... uh, logic?... are astounding. Am I gonna go to work tomorrow and get yelled at by a woman in a Feminazi uniform?
JeanValjean197o 9y ago
It doesn't make sense that liberals are welcoming Muslim (conservative) migration but conservative groups (conservatives) are opposing it.
Why would 70% of men oppose an increase in the population of conservatives in their country?
Well, the answer is that that conservatives hate change. They want to keep things the same. Yet, these conservatives (as usual) are too stupid to see how the current change is going to benefit them.
This is one of the things that frustrate me about politics these days. People adopt a worldview but don't really understand what it means. It's as irrational as the intra-state rivalry between UofK and UofL in Kentucky. Seriously, there are places in Kentucky where you will be threatened if you show up wearing a UofL shirt or colors. But they both represent the state.
Also, in the US, women convert to Islam 4 times more than males do. Why? Because they like the structure and defined roles that Islam gives them.
Moldy_Gecko 9y ago
Tldr, but mensrights is another sub
whatsazipper 9y ago
Mensrights is mostly a failure because the men lack a spine.
oldredder 9y ago
wrong. It's because those who they are opposing are rich to the gills ruling the entire world. You don't beg the master for rights. You overthrow the slave lord so you aren't a slave anymore. It takes force, not words.
Moldy_Gecko 9y ago
My point wasn't about the merits of mens rights, it's about this isn't a mens rights sub or anti-feminist sub (even if we agree), but a sexual strategy sub. If you want to bitch and whine about girls then,
mensrights ------->
through_a_ways 9y ago
The west will fall, and Islam will also fall. And they'll both rise again eventually.
oldredder 9y ago
No, once they fall they'll be gone for good, both of them. Mind you most of the "west" is not west at all. It's a codeword for "white colonized nations" but actually Australia+Canada+US+Europe isn't "west" whatsoever.
The new conquerors will most likely speak Mandarin
Criket 9y ago
From my past experience with women, I'm thinking seriously to convert to Islam. I would like to be proud from being a MAN, and not to feel lower than the dog
drallcom3 9y ago
That's how they recruit weak men for their wars, real or political.
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I_Smoke_Crack_Daily 9y ago
Join Islam so I can scalp your fucking head faggot.
PrimaxAUS 9y ago
If that's how you feel then the problem is inside of you. You're letting yourself be defined not only by others, but the perception you believe others have of you. You should reclaim your identity.
Criket 9y ago
Did you even get in court at a divorce case in started by a women?
Working 50 hours week as a carpenter, doing hard job nobody want to do, when her doesn't want to do a thing. (If she don't want to work, it's her right) Lose by default the custody of the two kids, the house, paid 30'000$ of avocat and to be left in your pocket only a quart of your salary. And to be treated like a criminal non stop, no resource to help you and when you finally find some help, they use that in court as you're are a shameless boneless piece of garbage who is not strong enough by himself and use the fact that you're use help to lower you even more...
I would like to be proud to be a man. To be the reliable family figure of the '50 like my Grandpa was. Not a boneless lower than the dog.
PS Sorry for my bad english!
terabyter9000 9y ago
You did fine with the English. Good points. By the way that's why I'm not married and never will be.
Criket 9y ago
I'll seriously recommend a vasectomy. And keep that fact to yourself. Why? It will prevent paying child support.
PrimaxAUS 9y ago
So move out of the jurisdiction and start over. Again, you're letting yourself be controlled.
Mihawk01 9y ago
What are you talking about? Get out of here, troll.
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fuckeh 9y ago
You don't need to convert to a religion. You also don't need to abuse or practically enslave women to be masculine.
Let's not get too crazy. Just be a man, you don't have to convert to Islam to avoid being effeminate.
Morlag 9y ago
Just curious, what would make you choose Islam over Christianity, given that Christianity endorses TRP type gender views without the commands to kill the infidel?
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Dildo_Saggins 9y ago
This is why the founding fathers wanted to create a secular society.
I don't want to have to throw in with either religious group. They're both crazy.
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fuckeh 9y ago
It's getting crazy in here. Extremist Muslims and extremist feminists are crazy. Be better. You don't have to pick a side, be your own man and rise above.
americanenglishh 9y ago
I'm definitely not picking sides. They're both repulsive ideologies, if you will, but feminism is the lesser of two evils. That should be obvious to anyone. This sub needs some harder moderating. I'm getting downvoted in several posts for telling the truth. These people are no better than feminists, using lies and myths in their arguments.
fortifiedoranges 9y ago
It's the same result in the end. A steaming pile of shit.
skoobled 9y ago
The question is, will the shit really hit the fan during our lifetimes. The real worry is if it does when we're too old and frail to defend ourselves. I'm aware that people tend to always believe that "the end is nigh", but world wars do happen...
tallwheel 9y ago
I'd probably rather be that than be in the age groups eligible for a draft.
skoobled 9y ago
What makes you think you'll be protected, or generally well give a fuck about you? That's my concern
Plus there is that odd part of me that would want to be involved
tallwheel 9y ago
Yep. Not to say that aging civilians will necessarily be safe either, but I think I might prefer that to the front line. Also, if I die an old man, at least I can say I've lived my life.
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JohnGalt316 9y ago
feminism is a shit test for white males and white males have failed
inu51kza 9y ago
Don't think this has anything to do with being white. It's a power grab plain and simple.
I'm a brown man. I get racist shit thrown at me daily. I don't need some feminist bitching about catcalling lumping me in with her group to boost her numbers. I'm sure the gays feel the same way. They just want marriage rights not some massive bull dyke in a pink wig telling him we should eradicate masculinity.
I have had ti deal with a gang of neo nazis try to stab me when out clubbing. In a firy like London. I had to bill 20% more hours to get a promotion over a white guy despite being more qualified experienced and bringing in more clients. That's actual discrimination. That's actually a problem worth fighting over.
Trans friendly gender neutral bathroom signs are not.
No Chinese or Indian man is getting pussy or any benefit out of this movement. Still fucked by affirmative action like white guys still fucked by white old boys network like the black guys.
The reason antifeminism movements die is because all the rednecks come out to turn this into a race war and all the non fascists think I'd rather side with the angry bull dyke than the ku klux klan.
Don't make it a white issue. Ethnic men are just as against this.
I'm brown. I'm Hindu. We hate Islam just as much as you. We've been dealing with their bullshit longer than you and we're criticised for the same policies this sub wants.
India have been trying to send back muslim refugees to Bangladesh since the 70s. Now that Europe has to deal with them it's suddenly ok to say no to a Muslim invasion but when we do it were cruel.
Namkcalb 9y ago
Racism and sexism can combine horribly.
How many Black women are stopped and searched?
How many Sikh women are assumed to be terrorists.
You are right, men need to work together, instead of bicker and divide ourselves into illusory groups.
inu51kza 9y ago
word.
men are cooperative by nature. none of us are seeking a leg up or extra sympathy as the most downtrodden.
We all have a commont goal of an unintrusive society and level playing field so our hard work and creativity can speak for itself.
truthiesttruth 9y ago
Look up voting lines based on sex/ethnicity.
Women are generally more left leaning. Hispanics are generally more left leaning.
This issue is intricately connected to race. You are only doing yourself a disservice by ignoring this fact and maintaining an incomplete picture of the whole situation.
While I will not deny racism and discrimination against innocent non whites still exist (when it shouldnt), there is almost most certainly an attack on western white masculinity, while the real culprits of oppression can act against women with impunity.
Feminists largest mouthpieces have said little to nothing about the rotherham scandal... Pakis abducting/abusing 1400 little girls and forcing them into sex slavery: Feminists dont give a single fuck, infact guess who they blamed for this? You got it: white males for oppressing brown males sexuality.
Corporations set the air condition to a temperature comfortable for men: A week long outcry.
You cannot hostly tell me that this outrage is targeted at men of all color, it is predominantly for white men.
Heres the problem, there is no more room for a political middle ground. It used to be that the system had 2 sides which kept each other in check, but now the left has moved to goal posts so far leftward that there is no where for a white male to actually stand.
You only have 3 options:
Submit to leftism and accelerate the decline
Abstain completely and just enjoy the decline
Its about living in a functioning society where people share similar value systems and that is not possible under the leftist system. Europe is a prime example, the women there pushed for complete emasculation of the male populace and now muslim men are swarming in to dominate the countries, it will NOT end well.
inu51kza 9y ago
When you're ethnic male or female you vote left by default because you assume right wing is a synonym for racism. Doesn't matter if I agree on free speech tax policy whatever. In my head one group irrationally hates me and thinks I'm somehow inferior because of my skin. That's why ethnics vote left.
Survival instinct will always trump abstract academic agreements on policy. This gut feeling is hard to overcome. Even now I'm looking for an excuse to vote left, just any hint of a candidate that won't pander to the SJWs and I'm back to the left. We don't have many Hispanics in England/Europe so not sure what the social dynamic is like. I imagine the influx of Mexican and central American illegals creates a new motivation for them to vote left to avoid friends relatives and vital community members being rounded up and deported. The left will buy votes by promising amnesties and to turn a blind eye. The pragmatic right wing politician would run on a platform of amnesties and heavy spending on border control if he wants to snatch that demographic. They're catholic and basically conservative in principle. Take the short term hit and you have a massive voting bloc for decades.
Again though with your white masculinity. It's an attack on masculinity period. You think a lot of Indian men are getting a feminist pat on the back for their boldness in clubs? You're getting their " man tries to show interest = creep " treatment now. Ethnics have had that label on them for decades. Chinese and Indian dudes don't have different ways of expressing masculinity. Most guys around the world like having a few drinks a few laughs and then heading out with the boys to find some girls to fuck. Muslim immigrants too - 90% of them are hypocrites who drink smoke fuck and put on a show for their parents but are basically quite westernised.
Go visit the sub asianmasculinity. In the western world if you're brown or yellow you've been neutered and emasculated for decades. There are no asian sex symbols. You're a nerd or a creep. That's it. Highest aspiration is being a beta if you're on of the good ones. Show any sign of male aggression and you're from a country that's rape culture on steroids.
Fuck that. Masculinity is under fire and we cannot afford to play into their game of divide and conquer.
Whether being targeted directly like white men are is worse or whether being treated like weak pussies who are already so feminine they can't possible be a threat like asian men are is worse is not important. Neither are acceptable.
FYI as a side note here in the UK the Pakistan rape ring got nonstop media coverage for weeks and enquiries and new policies drafted etc it was a massive issue, the air temperature story got a 2 min slot on afternoon news blew up on buzzfeed and got a cheesy breakfast show follow up. Most men and women are equally vacuous when they'd rather debate and upvote stupid non arguments like that than a serious issue that might bum them out like a paki sex trafficking ring or the countless Thai Polish and Romanian prostitution rings where girls are practically forced into it.
Islam is its own issue and excessive tolerance of it for PC reasons is something that bothers brown yellow white and black men all the same.
Feminism banning masculinity is its own issue too. They use different strategies to strip us of it but all our races are fighting the same emasculating harpies.
Finding the most centrist and inclusive argument against the SJW.movement is the only hope. Far right movements play into their hands. Grounding it in academic free speech rhetoric and gaining the legal sectors backing against their guilt until proven innocent t and then still probably a mysoginist kangaroo court justice is the best way to gain mainstream legitimacy.
Even mentioning it as a race issue for white men immediately cuts off the entire 40% of the political centre that is looking at the left and feeling uncomfortable bit needs someone reasonable to go against them that isn't just going to go on about white male rights.
truthiesttruth 9y ago
See you are no different from women, voting with your emotions for short term gain, all the while distrusting the evil white western man.
You and I might have very similar political/social values and could coexist very peacefully, I wholeheartedly believe this (which is another reason why I reject white nationalism) but the fact that you insist on dragging society to the left is actually doing your cause more harm.
Not because the white man is going to take up arms against you, but because the muslim man will once the society you are busy voting finishes castrating the western white male.
I will readily admit that I view the world through an anglo saxon lens, I do not know what its like to be brown/yellow but I have a vague idea. Perhaps white western woman have always treated you like shit, but understand that my experience has changed drastically over the last decade or so, the white male hate has grown to become noticeable and fashionable.
Also understand that much of your poor experience comes from the fact that many western women want white men, the msg reply trends on dating websites indicate this and so you cannot expect to have it easy with women, but its also another indicator that race seeps into every issue.
Some of the most traditional families I know are Asian, the men accept arranged marriages and their wives come from india/china to live the life of a housewife over here, raising the kids and beating the shit out of them when they dont get good grades. I am actually envious of some some of your cultures aspects.
Chinese family outing = to the library. White trash family outing = chucky cheese.
Actually no theres nothing "we" the collective male can do, those leftist parties you are voting in have made sure of that.
This is not about the peanut gallery, its about the fact that the UK government KNEW of a childsex ring that involved more than 1400 girls FOR A DECADE and did nothing because "muh islamaphobia".
THAT is the issue here, I was talking about feminism because they too refuse to stand up and say anything because "MUH islamaphobia". This is the society you are helping to create. I want no part of it.
Look up Amanda Kijera, a liberal feminist who went to Haiti on a "humanitarian" mission to prove that violence against women wasnt an issue, that it was a made up story by western media to show the black haitian man in a bad light. Guess who she blamed after being raped? Whitey.
Not enough to stop voting left though apparently.
You still think there is hope, cute.
It does not, I can assure you of this, just wait, you will know exactly what I mean when far right rule (sharia) takes over your town.
Nothing is stopping brown and yellow people from running/voting on the right except irrational fears played up by the left.
Namkcalb 9y ago
The media called it an "Asian rape ring", despite it only having Pakistanis/Bangladeshis, and no non-Muslim Bangladeshis at that.
So basically, paedophillia and racist reporting is a-ok as long as noone says the M-word.
inu51kza 9y ago
Tbh even certain types of Islam are fine. Sufi sects are some of the most liberal artistic religious people you'll meet now and historically.
It's just combination disenfranchisement, lack of assimilation, with ghetto clusters, a global climate of extremism and a lack of sufficient denouncement of extremism by local leaders - and then you have the perfect storm of problems.
And even then it's a very very fringe minority.
In saying that I'd rather that minoritys influence didn't grow. Just like I'm against crazy Christian doomsday type fringe extremist groups in America or neo nazi Christians in Europe.
Extremism of all sorts mixed with religion is going to lead to harmful societal consequences.
Islam is just the biggest threat right now but let's not turn it into a bogeyman or ignore the actual problem of extremism by getting fixated on the Islam thing.
whatsazipper 9y ago
Feminists feel safe in targeting men, particularly white men. I agree that it's a power grab, but to say that they're not targeting white men is false.
I agree with the rest of your post as well. Ultimately as men it's far easier to engage with men of other races because men can find commonality in ideas. We don't have to make it about race, but we can recognize when others are trying to.
getRedPill 9y ago
It's ironic movements like feminism were started by white people, including, yes, white man. A fenomenom named White Guilt.
By the way, who is John Galt?
TheRealBruce13 9y ago
Pseudo-intellectualism and fear mongering should have no place in this sub. No, feminists or muslims won't destroy the west. You simply heavily understimate the west's resilience and ability to quickly adapt. Most muslims countries are screwed internally and those leaving in peace are under our boot (hello Turkey, Saudi Arabia and soon Iran). There simply is no centralized power able to take advantage of the high numbers of muslims immigrants in Europe: as time goes on Islam will disapear in Europe. Don't let the media fool you into thinking we are bowing to Saudi Arabia or Qatar or whatever, in practice we have military bases in their countries not the opposite.
chairmobile 9y ago
Please, they dump oil on the market whenever they want nearly wiping out American companies and hurting our economy. They don't control us but we sure as fuck don't control them.
oldredder 9y ago
They actually are only doing so under American direction to hurt Russian and Iranian oil interests. Almost all military aid to Saudi Arabia is from the US and they deply Saudi and/or US forces as needed, covertly if needed, to acquire new oil sources. All the other middle-east nations are up for grab at any time because of this.
TheRealBruce13 9y ago
Exactly what I was going to say. To be clear there are many kinds of oil: the US (except shale oil) and Saudi oil are easy to extract and cost less per gallon to produce while Russian oil is much harder to extract. This means that US and Saudi Arabia can keep making profit with relatively low international oil prices while Russia's benefits are endangered. It's just an indirect way to fight back against Russia which is more and more considered as an economic and geopolitical threat to US interests.
This a strategy created by the US and Saudi Arabia is just doing what they are told to do.
chairmobile 9y ago
It's hurting us pretty badly as well, and American oil companies were near panic for a while. I won't disagree that it also hurts Russia. Iran, not as much. They haven't been exporting all that much and it isn't as much a staple in their economy, let alone the $100,000,000,000 they're getting from that shit nuclear deal.
Absolutely. I'm not saying we don't have our hands all over them and their zone. I'm saying we don't own them as much as we'd like.
Red_August 9y ago
If a human band was led by the weak 25,000 years ago, it would stand to reason, and it would be fairly easy to imagine how quickly that band would self-destruct by war, female poaching, or simply poor resource acquisition and management. That band's reproductive strategy failed, and the poor resilience and resourcefulness resulting from it would bring a quick ending. Others would take form and take its place.
Unfortunately, on a civilization's scale, the poison pill decline has a much longer arch and affects far many more people. We'll unfortunately have to deal with micro-aggressions, HAES, slut walks, presidents and prime ministers sharing their feelz for decades before the cleansing effects of collapse gains a critical mass.
akrebsie 9y ago
I think civilizations rise and fall on such a large time scale that successful traits have not had to time to be selected for, only ideas can save us. But this one is different this time we have ridden a wave of technology that is getting bigger as it goes and it is such that it may continue even after a significant collapse.
6-_-j 9y ago
I prefer red pill posts which don't mention stupid religious bullshit.
johnnight 9y ago
Because you are looking at it wrong.
Religions are a codex, a set of rules that define what is moral and how to behave. The divine aspect is there for enforcement. Usually they do it to stabilize societies and the proof is in their longevity. In this sense liberalism or feminism are quasi-religions, but I would claim that they are destabilizing and have a short life-span.
It is important to understand that the current quasi-religion deems masculinity immoral (they use the word 'toxic' instead) and it programs us to behave a certain way. That behavior is unattractive to women.
It's hard to break the life-long programming, because acting different often feels uncomfortable. Maybe pointing out the macro-scale consequences of the programming will make it easier for people to break out of its nonsense.
oldredder 9y ago
But those morals are mostly wrong and oppressive even to men. That's why you are looking at it wrong and the guy you're replying to is right.
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oldredder 9y ago
I am not.
Civilization based on repression is slavery and I'm the slave.
I'll take freedom and chaos if that's the only alternative package.
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oldredder 9y ago
No. Chaos is the state of nature. Order is always temporary. Order may last 100 years while chaos will last 1 million.
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6-_-j 9y ago
lol, I can surely defeat you in hand-to-hand combat.
Lok_Die 9y ago
Not really the religion being discussed here.
It's the culture the religion supports. Women are strictly controlled to prevent their femininity from affecting young males. Keep the women in line, the society stays in line as they have no room to speak with any authority.
Men make the rules, our fathers built this society while women sat pretty and mended socks. It is up to us to exercise the knowledge we gain from our own fathers to patch the hole in this boat.
Primemale 9y ago
Great write up,I couldn't agree more that the west is going to shit, and massive immigration is only hastening it, EUROPEAN men need to wake up, their very own genetic heritage,traditional cultures and even their own expression of humanity is under attack.
However if you don't mention the giant elephant in the room, then to some degree its almost not worth mentioning, you seem to blame the ''muslims'' and ''western feminists'' but who do you think funds feminism and the policies for open border immigration? you seem to allude to it with ''Feminists, often with a Marxist world view'' therefore I'm curious to know if you do know what groups of people SPECIFICALLY are pushing these agendas and aiding the destruction of the (European) west? overcoming the feminists won't solve this problem.
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Yakatonker 9y ago
Almost everything out of this article is just ridiculous as well as your false assertions to reality. We're not living as we did a century ago. The powers that be own the economic systems we live in and they're engineering them fully knowing well what the results are going to be.
Feminism is egalitarianism first and foremost, for all its female propagations it does not work towards Gynocentrism. Why would feminists ever push women into the workforce or to pay their 50% share in the social/economic framework? When these women should in fact be pushing for a system such as Japan's where women do jack all and men have to work 80hr work weeks to just hold up the economic sky. Almost no one bothers to objectively see things for what they are, that feminism is the greatest thing since sliced bread for men.
Feminism has freed men, it hasn't made women "worse", they've always been like that, AWALT. The betas here as so fucking stupid because they act as if the loss of marriage means anything but the security of sexual release which is why they bitch so much about it. Marriage, children, house, social respect doesn't mean shit to any man without sexual release, that's man's only motivator towards any semblance of gynocentric integration. Mother nature programs men to be slaves, and men gleefully live their lives in the service of this predetermined biological economy. Women cannot be blamed for walking over men because they've been doing it for as long as there has been recorded history, and because men are the enablers of the gynocentric system we live in. Which is why feminism is awesome, it makes up for the massive failures found in the deficiencies of men. It forces women away from their parasitic dynamic and enables men to live freely of their enslaving economy(gynocentrism).
You also fail to realize the economic systems we have today are being engineered into a globalist framework. The immigration you bitch about is simply a means to fill in low skilled labor positions in countries where people hate working those jobs. The other fact you over look as well as this trashy article is that the G7 economies are becoming information based.
Again this is ridiculous. US plutocrats leveled seven middle eastern nations, subdued another and are funding and provoking a war with another one in a resource rich area of the world. Not only are these nations weak, they have next to no economic power on the world stage next to that of G7 plutocrats. The only people to suffer from immigration are the poor masses, those that have no economic fiefdoms and or no ability to rent seek off the poor. This means a sizable portion of the masses have to deal with a continual increase in economic competition for the economic scraps at the bottom. Regardless of what national fiefdom you live in this is always the same cycle of life, regardless of such comical concepts as "culture".
Men do perpetrate patriarchy but that system is one of extreme economic consolidation ,one in matriarchy is fully complicit in. This savage distribution of economic equity makes life hell for the supra majority in a society. Also there are no competing societies, the West owns the global economic monetary system from the ground up. However the globalists are pushing for the SDR to replace the USD as a global currency reserve so that the global distribution of wealth isn't so barbaric.
Contrary to the continued propagations of the uninformed masses the system is moving us all to a better place, even if they convulse in retarded motions at the thought of defying the perspective limitations of their own biology.
oldredder 9y ago
No it isn't: if that were true the application of the law would be equal instead of always handing heavy punishment to men and custody of children to women.
Flat out: you are lying if you know better but you ought to know better.
Actually it means a shit-ton because a man can still hire a hooker using his income, but may need the appearance of marriage & having kids too to be in the right social circles to get the best jobs.
That part's right. Your comment is such a mix of right and wrong I guess I'll give no vote either way.
solid: so very true.
Nope. This would be fact today if it were the case. In fact all the cheating from rigging LIBOR, forex, etc., would be impossible under a single global currency so they certainly don't want that.
If anything central banks will horde gold bars but not SDRs. The convention of the SDR simply isn't compatible in a computer-driven high-speed trading environment but the concept of the SDR was invented before such networks were integral to global banking.
No. This is global slavery so the elite 1% of 1% of 1% will gain and everyone else gets starvation and a chain on their neck. The goal is to have double the human work with half the life-span so no one ever needs to pay out retirement.
Yakatonker 9y ago
Feminism is the egalitarian component for women. Its job is to get women into the work force, and to drag the collective female hivemind into such a stereotypical state. The other half of the programming is the red pill, and all that it entails with sexual, social education about society, women and the the present state of the economic game. Feminism will not equalize the laws for men, but it will leverage women in ways a male dominated philosophy cannot.
Here's my original comment "Marriage, children, house, social respect doesn't mean shit to any man without sexual release, that's man's only motivator towards any semblance of gynocentric integration." and it still holds 100% true. No man is motivated into gynocentric society without the promise of sexual release. Why do men even bother to cravenly consolidate mass amounts of wealth, why are they motivated towards high income provider based jobs which entail entering more gated gynocentric social circles? It all stems from a sexual strategy rooted in their biological need for sexual release, which feeds into the motivation for reproduction which used to ensure the elderly man an old age pension over a non existent government subsidy a century ago when society was more tribalistic. Marriage is the promise to a man of consistent sexual release, its why men sign into marriage en mass. Not all men are born beautiful or wealthy, the vast majority are not even attractive to women so it stands quite well that such an proposition is very appealing to maintain a man's access to it. Hell there's even an entire forum on reddit dedicated to the obtainment of consistent sexual release without marriage, its called r/TRP and its men who completely rearrange their lives so as to live in the optimum obtainment of it.
The IMF has been slowly dispersing SDRs since the 1970s. The roll out literally started sometime after the US pulled the plug on Bretton Woods and its necessity in the current market is becoming of paramount given the instabilities of the present USD and the growing demands of the G20+ for a dollar not anchored under the control of the American plutocracy. This is becoming manifest with China's inclusion in the SDR, and mass speculation of the inclusion of many other dollars coming out of developing nations including some in the G7. How this plays short term is still somewhat in the air, however the decentralization of financial control out of the US is certainly coming.
Not quite sure how this is even possible given the entirety of the financial economy is already digitally anchored?
Is this truly the case when there are mass propaganda pushes attacking the institutions of the 1%. Also the starvation comment is quite inaccurate as the developing nations of the BRICS, G20+ have been rapidly growing middle classes of their own. There has also been hard pushes for more governance reforms in those developing nations, particularly in China and Brazil given the extremes of plutocratic corruption.
The double work span is more likely due to the leverage the boomers enjoyed at the expense of everyone else on the planet. Most economies were in the gutter when the boomers came to be except those of nations outside the world wars when the USD came to be a international currency reserve. There are also several other factors hammering north american society, such as the mass increase in singles who're seeking realty, the cannabalization of the old over the young in the realty market along with investor driven rental corporations pilfering the realty market, the over saturation of the labor market with the sexes, corporations abusing the temp system to milk profit and an overly corrupt government of the plutocracy contempt on doing anything for the masses, except those pushing through globalist governance reforms, ie liberal democratic socialists.
johnnight 9y ago
The West has a strong military that can be used against lower-tier militaries of other countries. At the same time the West has a very weak culture that is ripe for encroachment by masses of unarmed migrants. Our bleeding hearts are our weak spot. We can fight the armed enemy, but we can not fight the unarmed demographic competitors. The same weak and hedonistic culture also kills us off demographically.
Have you read "Camp of the Saints"? It might help you understand what I mean.
oldredder 9y ago
Not for long. The "west" has been exposed using military forces for corporate greed so people are not signing up anymore. Anything else, even scamming for a living, seems more honourable than joining up to a corrupt military and/or corrupt DIRECTION for military from government(s).
The "west" has nuclear weapons and biological weapons. It has chemical weapons of course too for more targeted specifics. Other than that what has been built will decay. New resupply will decline, especially soldiers. People are tired of serving slave-masters and will emigrate and not join up to a military ever again and will advise other men instead to be armed personally and defend their personal space and future, not their "nation"
Yakatonker 9y ago
There is no such thing as a "culture". What you're stereotyping is a complex subset index of social capital routed innately out of biological human micro/macro group think around an behavioural/economic market of social ideals that are known and unknown to people. Not only is this economic/social market garbage, its heavily leveraged by money to redirect and motion social/economic power towards predetermined goals. Religion, movies, subsets of "beliefs" in economic and or hierarchical social orders are all things that fall within the purview and thought processing of the human animal. The orders of these social economies vary on the economic environment within an plutocratic fiefdom(nation).
The so called demographic competitors will not initially be assimilated because their blank slate has been pre-proprammed, but their children will blend right into the culture and play heavily favoritist towards it despite any indulgences by their parents towards the social economy of a foreign social environment that has virtually no immediate leverage on their persons. This long term assimiliation lends well to assimilating other nations and their underlying "cultures". This has been happening for an extensive amount of time with the plutocracies of all developing nations, particularly China's, India's, and continental Africa. But now we see this happening on a massive scale with the poorer masses. Their children I suspect above all things will be made and brought up to help facilitate the assimilation of developed social economies("culture") into less developed nations as a means to expedite with the internet the communication and transmission of ideologies which aid in the rapid development of industrialized nations.
This is the most likely if not applicable theory given the unstoppable rampage of globalist economic planning and philosophical transmission.
chairmobile 9y ago
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Yakatonker 9y ago
Substituting words with the worthless memes of an artificial pop idol coming out of the gynocentric order, its no wonder you're rather incapable of understanding why feminism has benefited men. Slaves are rather incapable of perceiving beyond the borders of their own tiny ideologies, particularly when such ideology is motivated by a desire for the consolidation of sexual resources.
chairmobile 9y ago
Go read the Misandry Bubble.
VAWA is a clear example of a feminist-pushed piece of bullshit that is now law in the U.S. and isn't even close to "egalitarian".
caesarfecit 9y ago
I'm no Tumblrina or SJW, but I prefer my red pill without hardcore social conservatism.
It should be totally doable to argue red pill truths without having to go full retard to the other extreme.
It's frustrating when I see this kind of stuff, cause there's a lot of good stuff in there mixed in with a bunch of hard right wing garbage.
oldredder 9y ago
solid: you earn an upvote
Social conservatism, as it is known today, isn't actually conservative of anything useful, not conserving. It's simply another brand of brainwashing.
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chairmobile 9y ago
Notice that you argue with feelz and not any logical or empirical reason why he's not right.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-unspeakable-truth-about-rotherham/article20335529/
http://www.dw.com/en/identifying-the-roots-of-immigrant-crime/a-1953916
http://www.europeanguardian.com/81-uncategorised/immigration/389-what-are-6-7-of-muslim-immigrants-accountable-for
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/number-of-muslims-in-prison-doubles-in-decade-to-12000-9222237.html
Read those all and tell me OP is full of shit. Or TLDR the truth and go on ignoring basic facts.
oldredder 9y ago
It's not right because logically it should be conserving something (it isn't) and that something should be useful (it isn't).
Racism isn't useful to us. It's not based on fact. It's based on feelz. Some social conservatives are racists, putting the 2 together as 1 package and spreading the ideology to others as 1 package.
Same for religious war. We don't need armies of Islam, Judaism or Christianity but social conservatives demand it.
chairmobile 9y ago
What does this even mean? What is "it"?
Knowledge is always useful.
Easy question for you. Would you say some dog breeds are smarter than others?
a) Yes: Cool. Then you have no grounds to suppose, against all odds, that the numerous genetic differences between human races (which, like dog breeds are widely distinct and yet fall under one species) which include height, athletic inclination, predisposition to disease, facial structure, and hormones have absolutely 0 effect on temperament, intelligence, or personality.
b) No: Then please explain why you use bloodhounds to track things down and why pit bulls are so disproportionately aggressive. Please also explain the well documented temperament difference across breeds like Rottweilers vs Chihuahuas.
c) (your shitlib answer): OMG THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOG GENETICS AND HUMAN GENETICS IS WAAY BIGGER. Excellent. Then we agree that there are genetic differences; we're then just haggling over how big they are.
Yes, upbringing and training plays a part, just like in humans. No, you don't get to equate that with genetics not playing a role.
Further, there is documented evidence that IQ's vary across races.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations
https://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
I'll save you the trouble of reading/understanding the studies and preempt your shitty arguments about bias. Go to page 266 (study page, not pdf page) and read that entire section if you're going to make those half-assed salvaging arguments.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Race_IQ_Sketch_OrderFlipped.PNG/640px-Race_IQ_Sketch_OrderFlipped.PNG
"hurr it's all about privilege"
Why are Asian Americans, who were ridiculed and mistreated from the 1850's and who even face negative affirmative action today, doing better than whites?
"hurr only da smart'n'rich ones came over"
Nope. Most immigrants from Southeast Asia were not only poor but refugees when they came over.
Also, IQ is highly correlated with biological parents. In studies on foster kids (who are brought up by their non-biological parents) their tested IQs corresponded much more highly to their biological parents (their genetics aka nature) than their adoptive parents (their environment, aka nurture).
Source? Oh, I don't know, there's this great documentary called "Hjernevask" that goes over all of this stuff. Where did I find it? Hmm...oh yeah, the fucking redpill sidebar which you either haven't read or have utterly failed to comprehend.
So, either prove that all of what I said is bullshit "feelz" or shut the fuck up.
caesarfecit 9y ago
I'm not disputing the facts. I'm disputing the conclusions drawn from those facts.
chairmobile 9y ago
That mass muslim immigration is horrible for Europe, that women are voting them in by the droves on leftist parties, that men usually comprise the right-wing opposition to such immigration?
Which of these do you dispute? Or are you going to argue that Sweden becoming the rape capital of Europe has nothing to do with their immigration policy being shaped by political correctness, with Norway heading down the same path?
Why do you think Golden Dawn, UKIP, Swedish Nationalists, etc. exist? They are oppositional to the toxic political correctness causing the slow downfall of their overburdened welfare states.
oldredder 9y ago
I dispute this has any origin at all except for the terrorist wars by the US on the lands muslims come from.
Stop that and they have no reason to migrate. They didn't strike first.
chairmobile 9y ago
You need to reread world history. Half, if not most, of the current situation in the middle east is Russia's fault.
caesarfecit 9y ago
Sigh. Okay, you wanna do this? Here we go, focusing mostly on the OP:
Black-and-white thinking. Women are either chattel and safe, or totally on their own and unsafe. The feminists want it both ways, but that doesn't mean there isn't a middle ground.
This is simply bullshit. Saying you can't protect people from themselves doesn't mean that protection requires control.
This is circular logic that implies xenophobia by definition is justified/rational, which is also a contradiction if you consider the definition of phobia which is an irrational fear.
This is just childish and over-the-top.
You can say this about almost anyone. Women aren't universally passive-aggressive nor do they have a monopoly on it.
If being a "provider" was just about money/material things, this would be true. Lover/provider is emotional long before it's tangible.
Now lets turn our attention towards some of the comments:
Yeah, feminism is bullshit, therefore we should abolish female suffrage and send them back to the kitchen! /s
One could say the exact same thing about male sexuality. In fact, why do we need to control people's sexuality from on high? Maybe instead we should be teaching people to control their own.
This is a pretty shameless call for reactionary social conservatism. My attitude is, the genie is out of the bottle with women's liberation, so the move should be to come to a sane equilibrium. The radfems stand in the way of that, but so do people who say this.
And that's really it in a nutshell. Women aren't the enemy, third wave feminism is. Muslims aren't the enemy, just the Muslims who reject Western values and seek to impose their own by force. The real problem with European immigration is twofold. First, stable immigration happens when the people who come in adopt their host country's values and at least make an effort to fit in. Multiculturalism just causes societal balkanization. The second is, that open borders and a welfare state are simply incompatible.
This may be very true, but that doesn't mean reactionary social conservatism is the answer. It's just more attractive than its been in a long time because the contradictions and blindspots of hard left-wing ideology are becoming obvious. But that doesn't mean the contradictions and blindspots of the hard right magically go away.
And that's my last word on this thread.
chairmobile 9y ago
I agree.
Agreed. Unfortunately, this is way more than a fringe minority.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
Agreed.
I don't think you're really disagreeing with me, just some of the overwrought policies/future moves suggested by the OP. But it seems you acknowledge the problem I'm talking about.
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Islam will win. It's okay, really. Society needs religion. It serves so many functions missing in the secular West--a sense of community, a balance of sexual power, an existential enemy to unite the public and provide men with a purpose, a premade consensus of rules for women to play in, a comfortable meaning for the unsuccessful, a patron of the arts. With the proper checks and balances on religion's influence on the public discourse, it can be an engine of prosperity. I'm saying this as an atheist.
The West has the internet, and through it, we have a massive cultural weapon, but it's blunted if the culture behind it doesn't meet the mating needs of its adherents, or all of those other needs listed above, which are secondary but still important and feed into mating success.
The internet is dependent on liberal values to be a useful social tool, so Islam does poorly online. I can definitely see a trend where Islam will make the rules but the internet will inform the values. The alternative is that the Internet could inform the rules, but I don't know if that would be better.
oldredder 9y ago
religion is poison. If society can't break free of it soon we'll just murder the entire planet.
A stable society living off religion can't be more advanced than horseback and campfires. You start involving biotechnology, nanotechnology and nuclear engineering and you can only murder everyone by having people touch that, who also believe in skyfairies.
BramRhodesDouglas 9y ago
All that is necessary for men to have their power back is for them to take it back. That's it. Women can't stop us. We're stronger than them. That's exactly why Islam is growing in power. They don't ask for power, negotiate power, or try to play games. They just take shit.
[deleted] 9y ago
You could say the same about people vs politicians and the rich. But in both cases any taking of power is demonized instantly so it doesn't gain any traction
commentatorX 9y ago
" I have never been able to see how a thirty-year-old moron can vote more wisely than a fifteen-year-old genius . . . but that was the age of the "divine right of the common man." ... Never mind, they paid for their folly. "
papersheepdog 9y ago
Is femenism, as explored here, just a part of general domestication? Creating a dependence on the state? Clipping our collective beaks for our protection, or really for the protection of the system?
If we had a more cooperative culture, people would not be a burden but rather a source of abundance. We wouldnt need to live in fear like this..... There is a bigger picture here than feminism lets take a few more red pills
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Nicholas_ 9y ago
it already has and I wish it would die and go away