Summary: Woman approaching wall at breakneck speeds. Logs onto online dating sites and starts realizing that her marketability isn't what it used to be; she's not getting dates with high quality men, and most guys want younger girls. Commenters try to hide it all under the rug and tell her "You go, girl!"
A lot of people here say that women don't work out and make gainz - but I disagree. Most women work out very hard to strengthen a specific part of their body - the rationalization component of their brains. Otherwise known as the hamster.
That hamster starts pumping iron like nobody's business and grows bigger and bigger as a woman grows older. It's terrifying to know that your sexual market value drops year by year - and so many women squeeze their eyes shut and rationalize reality away.
That's what happened on TwoXChromosomes yesterday. An OP posted the following:
I decided to reactivate my Okcupid account after a long hiatus. I started browsing profiles and I saw that a lot of guys my age(28) had their dating ranges set to 21-26, when they were 30 themselves. It really is starting to set in now, that I am too old for guys my own age. Things like this make me want to cry.
My younger sister is already engaged and she is 22, while I still haven't found a guy. And while I can say that I have a lot of accomplishments under my belt, I don't have anyone to share it with. It really does scare me as I get older. If I date a guy, I need to know if he is looking towards marriage. If I don't, than I might waste my time. If I do, I might scare him away even if he was interested.
I really am feeling scared now. I was hoping you all can give me advice on how to date at this age.
It sucks, doesn't it, to know that your prime years are behind you? That instead of doing anal for every nightclub Chad who caught your eye, maybe you should have been developing good feminine qualities to lock down a high-value man? And that it's too late...
This woman could have received realistic advice. She could have been cautioned to not get fat, to take up feminine hobbies that show she's still good wife material, to lower her expectations.
But no. Dat hamster is too powerful in the minds of the commenters...
There are going to be men on dating sites that want to date women younger than you. You do not want to date those guys. Any guy who is selecting for an age range younger than his own is automatically disqualified for me, even if I fall inside the age range that he is seeking, because typically these men are absolutely shitty to date. They are chasing a youthful, naive ideal, and they aren't willing to date an equal. Who wants to date a guy like that? Not me, man.
You heard it first on TwoX, folks. If a man prefers the look of a younger, lithe, feminine girl, that means he is immediately a shitlord. No ifs, ands or buts. If he was a good man, he would be dropping on one knee to marry the high-performing (and old) ambitious independent career woman! Right?
I think that the guys who are 30 and set their dating range to 21 - 26 are doing you a favor. A person who will only date people who are 9 - 4 years younger than them is not a person I would want to have a relationship with.
So you don't want a relationship with 99% of men out there, then? Cause I hate to break it to you, honey, but men overwhelmingly prefer women who have just crested 20 years old. Actually the real preferred age may have even been younger if OKCupid had allowed men to choose younger ages (the cutoff in the study was 20).
Me: 28F. Never married. Met current boyfriend less than a year ago through mutual friend (who plays Magic the Gathering). Current boyfriend is 23M, and has no issues with my being older than him.
Lol. Yeah I'm sure he's a catch. 5 years younger than you and plays Magic the Gathering. Let's be honest with ourselves: when you guys read that description, what image popped into your mind? I'm getting visions of 1930s headgear, stained t-shirts, and probably a beer belly.
Redefine "spinsterhood". I know a lot of "spinsters" who are happy as clams, so don't dismiss it. They do what they want, when they want. They have houses, families, jobs, vacations... a boyfriend every now and then.
The cherry on top of the hamster cake. If you don't like reality... just redefine it! It's that easy.
Bottom line: women don't know shit about how to handle the unfortunate realities of life. They would rather live in their fantasy world. If you meet a woman like this, run the other way.
TL;DR: Feminism is its own worst enemy. It pretends to empower women, but really only puts a blindfold over their eyes and convinces them to deny the reality of aging and the Wall. In the end, it's the women who feel the pain - the same women that feminism claims to be helping.
scubar 8y ago
Have fun experiencing what it's like to be an average male from 18-30 ;)
rpscrote 8y ago
This is immediately what popped into my mind: http://imgur.com/a/SjcgE
BetterBadIdeas 8y ago
Anyone's who's ever been on such a dating site, however, knows about the litany of early 20s women seeking onlt men in their late 20s to mid 30s. Ironically, I find girls seeking men significantly older than themselves because they think themselves "too mature for guys their own age" are in reality far too immature to be bothered with.
Govedo13 8y ago
I got a co-worker that used to be 9 when she was 20, currently between 7 and 8 depending on the viewer, that is hitting on me big time. I am 29 she is 31 and she mildly starts to hit the wall, today I noticed even 1-2 gray hairs. I wont even touch her.
Why should I care since there are ton of 20-24-5 years old girls around? My BF is in norm, I train 4 times per week, I am fit, well dressed with good job, own apartment and bunch of hobbies. When I hit any bar I have no problem of getting ONS.
ZioFascist 8y ago
"magic the gathering" hahahaha ROFL
this is fucking classic. i am literally LOLing right now
usul1628 8y ago
When the first words you use to describe your BF are how you met and how he plays Magic, you know you've got a catch.
Grain_Man 8y ago
Yeah, unless this chick is a Magic groupie (which is possible if unlikely), that's a really odd way to introduce him.
Uptonogood 8y ago
Its weird, I used to Play it a few years back. The most "professional" player my local store had was also ripped as fuck. It was bizarre seeing him with all the neckbeards.
Temuzjin 8y ago
I used to know a small business owner who plays Magic. They're not all neckbeards.
Uptonogood 8y ago
Yeah. My local store was mostly adults who played at night while getting drunk (the store's most lucrative product was beer, not cards).
Surprisingly there were a few girls, some even attractive. I figure they just liked all the attention from the nerds. Most had boyfriends though.
usul1628 8y ago
Oh I definitely agree, I know two guys who play magic, but it wouldn't be how their gfs introduced them to strangers
Uptonogood 8y ago
It's ok to have nerdy hobbies. What's pathetic is letting it define who you are.
Making your whole identity as a person out of some escapist fantasy is really sad.
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foldpak111 8y ago
We need men controlling them like we have most of our existence. Only until recently have women been able to call the shots, and the results are horrifying. This isn't even something to laugh at because it's ruining male and female lives.
Women fuck players who don't call them back, they hear these "you go girl" mantras that leave them deranged, turned out, and alone after they hit the wall instead of being encouraged to find a man in their early 20's, hit the gym, go to school/start a business, read self development, and live the good life. It's funny how the real misogynists are the ones who are calling us misogynists.
This is all mens fault too, for allowing this. We're all feeling the effects of it and I don't think it's going to let up anytime soon. These white knights have effectively put rifles in the hands of children.
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absolutely. if they don't get what they want, they grudge them that.
jimmybda3 8y ago
It's useful to remember that women never "mature"; they get old, but they are always mentally children. Thus, it makes no difference for a man to date a 21 year old or a 40 year old in terms of the intellectual satisfaction he is going to get out of the relationship. At best, a woman can be a muse, and this happens more often with a slender young babe for obvious reasons. If a man is seeking a mature companion he should find male friends to discuss reality with.
MisterFreeze29 8y ago
Everything WILL be alright. She'll find some nice, white-knight beta provider, cheat on him 3 months after marriage, and then collect alimony. Perfect
hebola4lyfe 8y ago
This is the only outcome . Im surprised that so many posters ITT think she is " losing ". She WILL find a beta provider. There are MILLIONS of beta provider in the world.
All she has to do is show a little cleavage and put some makeup on and bam BB starts throwing money in her account .
Beta providers are the source of all this shit . If it werent for the beta providers , there wouldnt be any feminist women.
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The biggest beta provider is uncle sam. Also, while I think you are right and have been right during this intermediate period, I don't think it will be true for millennials. Too many guys have checked out, there aren't enough betas to go around. Millennials are beta as fuck, but they are not beta providers. They are basically women.
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MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
You missed out to older men when you were in your 20's. Now you reap the same rewards.
They got a free pass for 15 years. It expired. Ah well, too bad they were too busy with their feminist rants, cock carousel and telling guys they saw as beta to "just be nice and be yourself".
Praecipuus 8y ago
Now isn't that the best advice ever. "I've been living like a young man and am now realising I'm reaching a point in which I won't be happy like this because I actually need to be in a committed relationship to be happy".
"I've got you. Why don't you go ahead and live like an older man from now onwards instead of being sad? Go girl."
12brooksy 8y ago
Well I think it's also important to remember that typically men want to have kids later than women, but there is a maximum age women can safely have kids. It makes sense that guys 3-5 years older than their significant other are at the same place as far as what they look for in a relationship.
thisornothing 8y ago
Yeah, really, this. I don't even think I necessarily date younger than my own age because of some idea of youth as an ideal - I just know, as a 30 year old guy, I'm still not ready (or sure) I want to have kids. Women my age are obviously going to be thinking about it a hell of a lot more, whether they admit it or not, so I routinely tend to date women 27 and under. 20-25 ideally.
Does that make a monster? Fuck no. These women want marriage, kids, commitment or whatever - I'm not their fucking guy. It'd be cruel to lead on a woman in the 30+ age range. If anything, I think I'm just being fucking honest with myself about the situation.
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El_Nolio 8y ago
In the top comment "This culture LOVES to tell women that they have an expiration date". Ageing is a social construct now. The hamsters are reaching new levels.
ChanThunderwang 8y ago
Thing is, she is right. Women will never have the short end of the deal. They just lose their advantages.
A 40 yo woman does not have a harder time to get laid than a 40 yo man. She just does not have it 20 times easier anymore like 15 years ago.
sheeshmobaggins 8y ago
I disagree that men get the short end. Realistically yeah a 40 year old chick can still get laid easier than a 40 year old dude but I'd say the 40 year old dude will always be happier. The guy will have friends, a career he may love, hobbies, join clubs, buy a boat, say fuck it and move to Mexico etc... A 40 year old chick can do the same but deep down she won't be happy because she never had kids and family, women try to act career based but I believe a women is happiest with a family and raising kids.
__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
a man can always be happy. women not so much
RP-Doctor 8y ago
I kind of disagree. I think when it comes down to it, ease of getting laid is equal for both sexes once guys get over approach anxiety and start getting lots of face time with women. The issue is always ease of getting laid with people you want. As a 25 year old guy, obviously it's tough. The girls you want are 18-25, and your market is overcrowded. As this post indicates, it is occupied by both 22-28 year old guys and by anyone still attractive enough at any older age. Let's say a 40 year old man wants women 25-33. He will have an easier time getting laid with his target demographic than a 40 year old woman who wants a man 35-50 who is still attractive. Almost anyone at any time can get laid as long as they lower their standards enough, it's just that the target demographic is easier for women to capture at a young age and easier for men to capture at an old age.
The unfortunate reality is that many men get married before taking advantage of their older years, where they have the advantage.
ChanThunderwang 8y ago
It is easy for guys after they overcome approach anxiety, but not even close to how easy it is for women.
If a woman does not have sex, she does not want to have sex. Always.
Now if she does not have sex in her 20s, it is because she actually does not like casual sex. If she does not have sex around 40, it is because she does not want to have sex with average looking 40yo men. But it is never that she could not have sex.
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You're just arguing semantics. Obviously when someone says "get laid" they don't mean with a crippled obese old woman or a stinky hobo.
TitsAndWhiskey 8y ago
Hey, don't knock the stinky hobos. You haven't lived until you've traded an expired can of tuna for a gumjob by trash-fire light.
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Well yea, they know how to party.
Snivellious 8y ago
At least the top reply to that points out that any woman wanting a family (with her own kids) really does have an expiration date.
And then, of course, the replies melt down and go "But adoption! Just like having a family of your own!" I honestly can't tell if they're hamstering away aging, or just pushing the idea that raising someone else's kids is as good as raising your own.
FemtoG 8y ago
Ain't nothin like a hamster party
foldpak111 8y ago
Or maybe it's just biology.
evileddy 8y ago
I had no idea women over the wall disqualify themselves.. that's very efficient!
foldpak111 8y ago
As a matter of fact, it'd make things a lot more easier and I wish more women had this mentality.
Uptonogood 8y ago
Well, except if you enjoy milfs for plates.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
This Culture loves to tell men if they don't have monster dicks they are not men.
See I can also play victim.
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
I can't. I have a monster dick on the internet.
donttellthefamily 8y ago
Everyone has a monster dick on the internet.
slay_it_forward 8y ago
Ya I have a 10 " black monster cock but I'm white
dubzeppelin 8y ago
can someone explain the hamster analogy im new.
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jb_trp 8y ago
She's like a company whose stock is rapidly falling in value, and she's looking for a long term
suckerinvestor. Women buy into the lie that they can have it all, and when they don't often this is what happens. Her sexual strategy sucks... Women need to unplug from their delusions as much as men do.MeatRocket23 8y ago
Her younger sister one upping her and getting all the attention and validation she thinks she deserves has to be mind fucking the shit out of her.
pilledwillingly 8y ago
Yeah, I think these people are forgetting that dating is the exclusion of people who don't interest you. You can date whoever you want as long as they are willing to consent. Want to date a 104 year old transvestite? Then you exclude people who aren't in that category. You just have to accept people's preferences. Age is second only to gender when it comes to most people's criteria for dating. If you fall out of that category? Too bad, bitch.
I hit puberty at 17.5, I'm 29, I still can't grow a beard. I get picked as the youngest amongst a group of 26 year olds. You would have rejected me as being too boyish for most of my life, swallow your sour grapes: I'm a year older than uou but you're too old for me now.
Vay93 8y ago
hah. I'm 22 and I've been able to grow a beard since I was 16. At a bar last weekend some girl asked how old I was and I said I was 36. She didn't even question it. c'est la vie.
toysjoe 8y ago
Women certainly don't have an expiration date, but they all have a best before date.
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Thursday088 8y ago
So instead of collectively trying to pass on knowledge gained through experiences to the younger generation they would rather perpetuate this bullshit idea and have them end up the same way. That's pathetic. So much for "sisterhood."
Uptonogood 8y ago
They're their own worst enemy.
Nothing_Gazes_Back 8y ago
Engage maximum hamster overdrive. Set spinning wheel to light speed!
NiftyDolphin 8y ago
Outside of TRP, almost all of the talk I hear of women having an expiration date is from women complaining that society is telling them that they have an expiration date.
VictorEremitaK 8y ago
What do they think society is? Some sort of entity not created by man?
nuesuh 8y ago
The expiration date is called "death". It manifests itself in wrinkles, low fertility, weak bones, increasently frequent illness etc.
I wouldn't want to marry someone that's half dead.. It's a really morbid thing to say, but it's the truth. It's what men think unconciously.
Five_Decades 8y ago
She has a point though. Women post wall still have a lot of options now due to social media and online dating. A woman can spend her 20s riding the CC, then she can still have a long list of beta orbiters waiting for her when she is post wall.
TL;DR - she isn't wrong.
max_peenor 8y ago
Fear not. Super Samster is here to save the day.
"Also I understand why people are biased towards biological children, I disagree with it and think it will change with time, but paying out for the biokids and not the adopted seems...less than rational."
Once we remove the desire to have your OWN kids, it'll all be ok. By all means, we should steal children from vulnerable women so that Super Hamster can feel good about riding the carousel until her eggs go rotten. Naturally, this is all men's fault, since we get all finicky about our children being biologically ours.
lll_lll_lll 8y ago
Uh, as long as our goal is to be rational and grounded in reality - stealing children from vulnerable women? You realize there are a shit ton of unwanted babies out there who the mother could give a fuck about?
If older women want to adopt them, go right ahead! Give an unwanted child the chance to have someone to call mom instead of grow up in the system and become a criminal. I see that as a silver lining to all the women waiting too long to have their own.
Fucking planet is overpopulated anyway.
max_peenor 8y ago
But that isn't what they are doing. Go try and adopt a white newborn. It is going to be very expensive and you are going to wait a long time.
Remember, watch what women do, not what they say. If genes didn't matter, they would take the next baby they could get. Instead they wait and pay for a child they can pretend is their own. Note that it rarely goes like that. Genes matter.
Some light reading from someone that saw both sides of it: http://www.amazon.com/The-Primal-Wound-Understanding-Adopted/dp/0963648004
Note, there are some good families that do adopt the a wide range of children. They do so because they want to help, not because they want to compensate for their broken fertility.
TitsAndWhiskey 8y ago
I'd adopt a black baby. As long as it was a boy.
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GC0W30 8y ago
Can confirm, have one social worker in the family and a separate family member who did foster care for decades.
They absolutely cycle the kids in and out. I don't know what the maximum period with one foster home is.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
society didn't say shit. Her current options are speaking loud and clear.
I notice there is no mention of her qualities. Is she in shape? What has she been doing the past decade? is she personable, or a harpy cunt most of the time? What possible justification does she have to compare against someone younger, with no baggage, and possibly hotter?
Just showing up isn't cutting it anymore. It's really too bad she didn't have a hard-assed grandmother to give her that info.
Or she could always look for silverbacks in their 50s. a 50 year old wouldn't mind a 30 year old, I notice that conversation isn't in there either.
moose_war 8y ago
No man, according to her she can get any guy she wants at any time. Tons of men choose her over the hot 22 year old. Really.
pmmedenver 8y ago
She certainly thought she did
I liken this post to the equivalent of a beta pill man complaining why women don't want him: after all he worked hard, got a good job and always tries his best to keep in touch with his "sensitive side" where he always treats women with respect. The crucial difference here, however, is that WOMEN AND SOCIETY AT LARGE TELL MEN THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT. So we (naively) follow their advice and its still not enough. This women follows the same bullshit advice, disregarding the honest advice that men give when we tell them we want beauty, femininity and kindness. Fuck your college degree in basket weaving, we have options now just like you had options then, know your place.
And now, for the reason why we all enjoy "hitting the wall" stories so much: the tables have turned, bitch, enjoy feeling how you've made men feel all these years.
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
my Ex had a therapist after we broke up that told her she needed to go up 10 years in her dating target age to secure what she was looking for in a LTR. Based on what she was describing she wanted.
He was right of course. But She lost it. Repeat questions with new therapists till the answers the hamster wants are received .
apreotea 8y ago
The schadenfreude flows hot and sweet in this thread, yes it does... good anecdote, I fully believe that the hamster rolled over any therapist daring to speak truth to it.
__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
and thats a big part of feminism, guys can't have preferences. Preferences are only valid for women. So she wont date older but that doesn't count.
"age appropriate" is a woman's technique to maintain value.
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slooberki 8y ago
LOL at the silverback nickname, never heard that before
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Torridzone92 8y ago
THIS is one of the largest factors for me in dating girls cresting into their 20s! Don't date the girl who won't do anal because Chad tore her open at 24. Date the girl who has only read about something like that and is excited to try it! This is honestly a prime factor in my preference.
...Well, that and a pussy like a papercut.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
Meh, they've all felt about the same to me, and I've had some cc women in my day.
I'll take a girl who doesn't blame the world on her shitty problems. It's not that young girls are better at that, it's just they haven't had enough time to.
Easier to build it right the first time than it is to fix a broken one
MisterMisogyny 8y ago
Sure there are:
Whatever the fuck "accomplishments" are... and supposing that men give a shit about them. Hint: we dont.
kommissar_chaR 8y ago
being an Administrative Assistant for 10 years is an accomplishment!!!!!
GC0W30 8y ago
Hell, many of us specifically want a low to moderate level of accomplishment.
Grad school? A master's at a young age?
Strong indicators that it'll be impossible for 90% of Alphas to actually gain and maintain the proper frame with.
She's also going to be too busy for a date. There are tons of girls in grad school or professions who WOULD jump on alpha dick if they could, but they're going to have to book your ass 5-10 days out.
Strong professional accomplishments? Same shit. If she's earning like an alpha male, you're going to be fighting for her time and constantly grinding on her to avoid the relationship going BP.
The only guys that value a woman's master's and high income are the kind she doesn't want:
betas or
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MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
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You met my ex!?
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
don't forget purse/handbags, it's "normal" femculture for a woman 1 paycheck from homelessness or prostitution to drop hundreds of dollars on a handbag.
Let me repeat. Contemporary women have zero to negative personal equity Prostitution is ultimately the only career available to her.
this is an additional reason why warren buffet has 80 billion dollars and you don't. because there were women in his generation available to marry that understood "home economics".
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Let's be clear. Men only care about one thing under your belt. And it doesn't start with "A."
Its_the_other_tj 8y ago
Oh there are plenty off ass guys out there. I'm more of a boob guy myself.
rpscrote 8y ago
I must disagree friend. Ass. When she do, she do.
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But it ends with it. And also happens to start with "vagin".
GC0W30 8y ago
Eh, I've known a few guys from the arab peninsula who mostly cared about something that begins with A and ends with -us.
Not my preference, but they're sure as hell out there.
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mugatucrazypills 8y ago
accomplishments: maybe she cheated on her BF and fucked a pro-athlete
TheWorldToCome 8y ago
What's the most impressive thing you've ever done? "Cheat on my boyfriend and not have him find out... he was a famous athlete"
notmyusualreddit 8y ago
I swear to god my last tinder hookup told me she fucked a local NFL guy as if it said something positive about her.
TheWorldToCome 8y ago
What's the most impressive thing you've ever done? "Cheat on my boyfriend and not have him find out... he was a famous athlete"
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__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
in other words she's got a great resume for a MAN and if she was a man looking for a woman it would be appreciated.
RedPillProphet 8y ago
Nah, she would be a boring nice guy beta. Expecting hotties for having a stable job.
__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
you missed the point. Women quoting resumes as relationship value are putting themselves on the market as a man.
education, job, money are a mans way of demonstrating value (one way of many) they offer zero value TO a man.
MeatRocket23 8y ago
Nice master's degree. I want kids and a stay at home mom...
RedPillProphet 8y ago
I didn't miss the point I expanded on it. That even if she were on the market as a man she'd be unremarkable.
grewapair 8y ago
I'm 54 and still date early 20s. I tried dating early 30s, but it's terrible. They secretly suspect they are past their expiration date, but need constant validation that it isn't true. So instead of a $50 dinner like a 20 year old is thrilled over, they need a $300 dinner to offset the lack of attention they get anywhere else.
So I get less, pay more. No thanks. 22-28 is my range. When I can no longer pull that, I'll just stop entirely, but so far, it hasn't been a problem.
MeatRocket23 8y ago
You are 100% right. When I date a 22-28yo I can actually have some fun. I can take her places she has never seen, and do way more fun things. They generally don't try to have many power struggles or pissing contests with you. It's great. My dating life at 35 is beyond anything I could have wished for in my 20's.
Now if I switch to my age group... They all think they know everything in spite of making every wrong decision in life. Women with some bullshit credentials have a insecure tendency compare you with the best traits of all 300 of her ex boyfriends. When you try to do something nice for them somebody already did it bigger and better.
I'll take young, happy, and, fun over a 30+ womans resume any day.
squidracer 8y ago
I don't buy dinners in general
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
lol. I've never dated >30, though I'm only 35. The only girls my age I've talked to really scare me at times. If you let em run their mouth for more than a few minutes, you start to see their red flags all over the place.
Not a single one yet (small sample size mind you) has told me an uplifting story of life getting better year after year. It's always been about how life did them wrong, and then.... never quite hear the end of the story, it's like if Shawshank ended when andy stuck in a shit pipe
Late30sMasculist 8y ago
Where do you meet the women you date? I've recently started dating again after my last LTR and my plates are aged 29, 32, 32, 41. I'd like to bump a couple off and replace them with one or two in their early 20s, but I'm not sure where to find girls in their late teens / early 20s that will go for a guy who's pushing 40.
grewapair 8y ago
The very youngest ones I met in bars and clubs, the opposite of the place to go if you are in your 20s. They all told me they were being hit on by drunk immature frat boys all night and I was a breath of fresh air. I'm intelligent, in exceptional shape, dress well, average height, full head of hair and well below average face. Not every girl is looking for more than someone like me, so you have to do a lot of very fast sifting to find the one, and it can take several months and 200 rejections for every one you find. But they are out there, and they are definitely interested.
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Bars and clubs in big college cities.
__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
I'm 50 and same. I don't "date" women in their 30s. There is a reason they are single after 29.
18-29 and actually going over 25 is rare.
and I don't buy shit for them. Seriously.
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__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
if your frame is getting pepper sprayed for hitting on a young girl, thats what you'll get.
If your frame is, its the most natural thing in the world, it will be.
__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
of course I've also zeroed in on kinkier girls who know what they want. Not that what I always did, but now its the easiest (has the best payoff for the investment)
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__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
nope I'm pretty normal looking, maybe 6 face. I have a bit of style to my dress and good hair. I'm not fat and I have a little muscle.
What changed for me is my attitude, in other words my frame. I carry myself and value myself as a 9-10. Looks are a woman's game. Looks can get a chick but so can frame. Women get the tingles IRL over all kinds of guys who aren't hot.
Remember nothing a woman says is true. Thinking you need to be a model or actor is listening to what they say. Knowing they fuck the bouncer, bartender, and a dead end guitarist from a dive bar is what they DO.
I spent six months fucking everything that met the minimum standard. I set a goal of one new one a week. I hit two new a week within a month and went from fives and sixes to to 7s then 8s. Honestly I never tried for more as I enjoyed what I was getting.
At first I screwed them of any age if they were screwable, but within a few months my cosmic pheromones were strong :-) and I never went over 29 after that.
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NeverQuit69ing 8y ago
Do you approach during the day or at bars at night?
__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
day and online, almost never at night; though if I take a girl I'm already nailing out at night I normally get opened.
seattle1971 8y ago
You should PM me. I absolutely adore mature women. 27 here.
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Sdom1 8y ago
Even guys in the 33-35 range will date a 28 year old. I'm guessing she's one of those girls that thinks a guy 5 years older than her is old and gross, and yet everyone else is an asshole for having age preferences.
cantletthatstand 8y ago
Seriously. 28 isn't over the crest, unless... there are mitigating factors such as
weight, hygiene, natureSHITLORD MENPurecorrupt 8y ago
Her rationale is if she meets a guy and wastes 2 years she'll be 30. And then the next guy 2-3 years she'll be out of the prime market.
I've heard this exact rationale from a girl that settled. She was 27. This is in Texas so there's a lot more marriages that happen in the early 20s where the perception of marriage at 27 is old.
RP-Doctor 8y ago
Doubtful she thinks of it this way. Most girls out of college are willing to date a 60 year old if he has George Clooney looks. What's more likely is that she's seeing the guys willing to go for her and getting upset that they're uglier than they were before. Plenty of guys in that range will date a 28 year old. I'd say a vast majority would, but the sort of guys in that age range that look like the kinds of guys she used to date are either married or still dating the mid-twenties crowd.
nonanon111 8y ago
Most would be willing to date a wheelchair-bound 100 year old if he had Clooney's money and fame, and those that wouldn't base their decision on the fear of being called a golddigger by the other women they're trying so desperately to impress.
Looks and age don't matter at all if the money's that high.
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"she's seeing the guys willing to go for her and getting upset that they're uglier than they were before."
I assume that she conveniently left this out. She is either a 5(pushing almost 30 so it's understandable) or she just left this out.
I know tons of 21-28 year old betas who would date and marry her but they're betas so you know she just leaves them out like always. The hypocrisy...
RP-Doctor 8y ago
"Where did all the good guys go?" = "The only guys who go for me are either below me or don't stick around" = "I severely over-estimate my value on the relationship market because of the inflated value of women on the sexual market."
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KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
I'm getting awfully close to that mark, but HotorNot rates me a '6' and I pull girls of '7'+ regularly.
Frame and Game rule all.
Oh, and I'm broke.
apreotea 8y ago
Holy shit, HotorNot is still around???? BRB... hahaha
KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
Yes, it is, but this happened about 10 years ago when I was in my mid 40s. Girl was 18, 5'8", 105 lbs. 'C' cup, HB8.5. Lasted 8 months. She's an MD now.
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Fuck_shadow_bans 8y ago
60 years old with looks gets you a lot of attention if you can fake being wealthy. People naturally assume that you are well off at that age.
foldpak111 8y ago
That's true but to be honest, it's better to be wealthy and have no one know so you can preserve it and peace the fuck out 20 years from now and live in the Bahamas or some shit. I run 2 small business and work a 9-5 pulling in anywhere from 12k to 15k per month. By no means wealthy but when I first got into this I was like "I'm gonna show all these haters and prove them wrong." It was really scary actually because I'm hiding it all so I can make my getaway. I don't want to be surrounded by yes men and prefer the way I'm treated right now; like shit!
Joseph_the_Carpenter 8y ago
You can have friends that know your wealth: other wealthy men. They deal with the same BS as you and have other men like them around for support.
Never ever let a woman know your wealth. Ever no exceptions and I mean it. Bad things have happened to the wealthy friends of mine and every single time there was a woman behind it looking to get a quick buck.
LukeMooney 8y ago
at 60 - what the fuck is the point of know one knowing you've got money. You want a gold digger or two around. That's the point. Just know how to handle them.
foldpak111 8y ago
I forgot to mention that; other wealhy men. It's easy to hide it, too. You can pimp out your apartment (28 inch iMac, baller sofa, home gym, etc...), but no nice car, no dress clothes, none of that.
That's reserved for later in life once you make your getaway. Personally, I can't wait to own a Ferrari Spyder. But I'll be far from civilization when that happens.
Joseph_the_Carpenter 8y ago
I imagine myself in my 40s driving through Monaco in my Exige back to my luxury apartment to bang the nice piece of ass in the passenger seat.
If the world thinks that's me in a crisis then call the national guard because I want in on it. Good luck on your getaway, that sounds like the perfect retirement plan.
Fuck_shadow_bans 8y ago
Well yes, but if you are 60 and poor, fuck it! Pretend to be rich and get some Grade A while you still can.
foldpak111 8y ago
At that point you have nothing to lose.
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At all points you have nothing to lose.
sourpuss_ashkenazi 8y ago
You don't just flick a switch and pretend to be something and everybody believes you. You have to reprogram your mind. A 60 year old man isn't going to reprogram their mind to get pussy when they probably dont have any sex drive anymore anyway.
Fuck_shadow_bans 8y ago
Lolwhut? You just assumed a retarded amount of things to support your assumption that is clearly nonsense. 60 year olds fuck.
crisprcas9 8y ago
I am also trying to create a company. At the same time I have my regular job. It is difficult as fuck... Hope it pays itself in the future.
foldpak111 8y ago
Just know that you're going to fail a lot before you succeed. I failed six businesses before the seventh one succeeded. Just remember what Tom Hanks said, "It's supposed to be hard. The hard is what makes it great." Know that the payoff will be worth it and by payoff I'm not talking about money, but freedom. I no longer have to deal with office politics, feminists, white knights, and a boss that I could outperform on my worst day. It's the life to me. I wouldn't have it any other way!
crisprcas9 8y ago
It is not the difficulty that scares me but the time :/. How long did you take to reach that freedom?
__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
true many couldn't, but many could. Money is a version of power, only one. Social rank can come from lots of avenues.
Getting young girls when older doesn't take money. It takes the right frame.
I'm 50 and I don't spend a dime on women and I can close good looking under 25 year olds any time.
MeatRocket23 8y ago
Most people date in their peer group. AKA friends from college friends from work in their 20s. At 35 I am realizing that a lot of early 20s girls are really down to hook up with an older guy. I have gotten more hot 22-25 year old girls past 30 than I ever did in my 20s.
Now that I am done with the battle that was my 20s and have some stability, the confidence that comes with that is the most attractive thing about me IMO.
Also when a man is young stupid dating mistakes and awkwardness hurt your confidence way worse than when you're older. The 20yo girl who shot you down is going to tell everybody you know and you will give a fuck... Not me not now.
When women get older they go from the ones with all confidence and control to self conscious late 20s early 30s girl. Or as I call them night club burnouts, no man havin ass bitches, and of course single moms. The rolls are reversed and now I am the one doing the choosing.
I choose 22-27yo woman. I know what it feels like to dump girls that seem like they have everything a guy could want. When I was 22-27 I would look right past horrible character and personality traits just to get a hot girl. Now that I am older and keeping it together I realise that looks are cheap and there will always be another girl who is younger and treats you better.
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LukeMooney 8y ago
Mate - I'm doing something very similar right now - and it feels good. The strangest part is actually being used to walking away from an attractive woman, I would never have done that previously.
MeatRocket23 8y ago
All my friends think I am an idiot for walking on this one girl when I sensed crazy. Sure she is pretty, likes to party, and everybody want's to fuck her because she has big tits, jet black hair, and green eyes.
She also cries on cue, starts out of control fights with her boyfriends where the police get involved, is a single mom X2 with two fathers, lives at home, and has no respect for nice things. Did I mention she is a nightclub queen at 30+
Ya check out the 23 year old I'm banging in my post history. Walk away with your pride and head held high. A looser woman can be your ultimate downfall
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__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
why would you lie ? I don't lie about anything. There is no point.
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__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
what are you talking about? You're posting as a comment to my post. So hence I have a question. My question is what does lying have to do with my comment?
I'm also not sure what talking and listening has to do with anything either
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RedMagnus 8y ago
You're acting like a bitch, guy. People like you who are newly "unplugged" should direct that hate somewhere else and use it for productivity. This woman is a product of feminism. The reason for your hate of this woman and her choices is feminism. She is a product of her environment such as you. She was directed down a certain path by the manipulations of others just like you, me, and every other man or aspiring man. You're losing the forest for the trees. Venting is helpful but it's what women do. Instead seek a solution to the problem. Do what YOU can to stop the pervasive nature of what has corrupted the male/female dichotomy because all you're doing with posts like this is acting and looking like a bitch.
hebola4lyfe 8y ago
Stop feeling pity for women . They are FAR BETTER OFF than us . This women can easily find a beta male who will provide for her and marry her just to get divorced by her after 2 years. Then comes her alimony and prize for caging the beta cuck .
Stop standing up for these cunts ! They do not feel any empathy for you like you feel for them . Stop conforming to mangina whiteknight tendencies .
RedMagnus 8y ago
I don't pity anyone. For you instead of asking who made the chicken the way it is you are stuck being angry about the chicken being cruel to the rooster. You like the OP have lost the forest for the trees. Would I be mad at a child for being disrespectful and violent or the parent? Your anger is useful but only if it is of value. You are still in the anger phase and once you accept this is how the Western woman is and that in order to bring solace to future men in your position you'll have to fight the true enemy and direct your energies there instead of on one measly bitch.
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RationalistFaith1 8y ago
It's staggering the way the hamster covers reality and would explain the matriarchy today causing a lot of people to refuse reality and just blatantly lie.
chances_are_ur_a_fag 8y ago
my girl is 9 years younger than me, fuck what these cunts say
lycanthr0py 8y ago
Its funny, all the neckbeards are all worse than the lifting bros who also play magic. I routinely win the weekly modern tournaments at the local game store, and when I don't, more often than not its the other in shape dudes and not the trash.
spoona96 8y ago
i think the idea of a typical gamer is so wrong now, look at like a csgo event and most players are in better shape than the general public.
BrunoOh 8y ago
You'd think there's a correlation between being a strong logical thinker, having ambitions and caring for your body and yourself.
herewegoaga1n 8y ago
Hahaha! So true, but I think the new norm is cougars going after younger male partners...because they're obviously naïve, inexperienced, and they give these men penis tingles. Basically "the last guy stuck riding the village bicycle owns it."
I swear, I see the mid twenty-something woman as a joke. Do you cook? No. Do you clean? No. Do you have any marketable skills to add to a relationship? No. So why do you think you deserve a guy? The conversations I have with them is like studying a mental patient since it's different on the other side.
I'm just happy I found my unicorn.
spoona96 8y ago
In the age of things like dating sites people dont understand that there is so much choice now. Dont like one thing there are literally thousands of others. Dating is like the job market there is always someone better, but ther are things you can do to be more desirable and you might even have to lower your standards.
permashred 8y ago
Hamsters are spinning into orbit
Borsao66 8y ago
That's cause they're high. You know.. Hamsterdam.
Fafner2 8y ago
The white knights are orbiting the hamsters
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Rougepellet 8y ago
If that woman had gone to RPW for help, she might be able to salvage the situation. 2X are the shitty quack doctors you go to with a clearly broken arm, twisted 180° and they tell you 'no no, your arm is fine don't worry. You are strong and perfectly healthy don't let society define arm standards'. Instead of actually trying to fix the problem they'll just hamster until she is in her 60s, still single and absolutely miserable. And I'll be there at the end of her miserable single life, when no amount of 'you go guurl' will turn back time or extend her life. I'll look upon the product of her own hamster and our PC women are wonderful society. I'll be there to give her one last reassuring 'you go gurl', for old times sake.
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A_DERPING_ULTRALISK 8y ago
It's just fantastic that even she realizes she just wants to get married to have someone to latch on it.
Hilarious stuff.
runningismycrack 8y ago
I know i'm late here, but I just love how they shit on men dating down, then the other comment said her friend (26? im on mobile apologies) was dating a 23 year old. Only women can date down I guess.
1NV0K3R 8y ago
HEY MAN.
Don't hate on Mtg.
BallisticTherapy 8y ago
I'm gonna hate on Rosewater for making it even more of a goddamn cash siphon than it already was with the introduction of chase mythics that are mandatory for competitive play.
I only play pauper format or very casually now if at all, which is usually very rarely nowadays.
moose_war 8y ago
All right, I just gotta rant a bit on this:
They keep saying this in here but I don't know what it means. Men who have a preference for younger women are bad?
Now I mean, if you're a top guy the smart thing to do is cast a wide net for mere appearances and ignore the old chicks but I don't get why finding younger women attractive is so bad.
From miss crusty herself:
Wait why is being 30 and wanting someone 5 years older OK but being 30 and wanting someone 8 years younger bad? Huh?
There is this idea among these women that you're a lesser man and "can't handle" a woman who is your "equal" (huh?) if you don't want to date women your age (or hey, maybe a bit older!!). There is this idea that the older a woman gets, somehow she gets more interesting and sexy. This isn't true of anyone per se. You don't get sexier if you don't work for it, and women have gravity and wrinkles to fight against which require the best kinds of planning in your 20s (which most women don't even think about). Even then, youth is just much much hotter in women. Men can get sexier if they work their ass off in the gym and invest in interesting hobbies and game, but that's because women judge men's sexiness by different standards. Yes, young hunks are appealing to women their own age, but the point is a man with a bit of wrinkles still gets women wet (I don't know a woman who wouldn't fuck Michael Fassbender and he's 38 but looks older).
And women seem hellbent on enforcing these standards on our brains too. Like "NO NO NO....YOU have to find older women attractive! You have to think like me!"
Sorry lady, I don't. I find younger women more physically attractive AND more mentally attractive. You know why? Because I'm not looking for a fucking chess partner. You might be more mentally stimulating at 41, in which case you'd be friend material. And older women are never as interesting as they seem to think they are. I'm reminded of Sarah Silverman's inability to take age jokes lobbed at her (what happened Sarah? I thought you were such an edge master??) and how she thinks what she has to say now in her 40s is "vital". Why is it "vital"? What big great experience did you go through? Early menopause? Is that why your body is now shaped like a rectangle? None of this is making my dick care, and that's kind of the problem.
And don't get me wrong. I'll fuck older women. I'll fuck a 40 year old chick if she looks good for 40. But like my man Patrice says "Pussy age like bread, not like wine".
Younger women are pleasant to be around if they have good personalities. They don't want much. Sex, fun, and spending time with you. They aren't trying to tie you down yet or manipulate you into a BB yet.
So why not the best of both worlds? How does MissCrusty compete with a nice, sexy 22 year old with a good personality?
One final point- this comment kills me. Well upvoted, no replies or anything:
Ahhh so a 35 year old woman fucking a 22 year old? OKAY. A 35 year old guy fucking a 22 year old? Ew something wrong with him! -41 year old woman.
Fuck it, man. I'm out
SayWhatever1 8y ago
Top comment: I can get dates anytime I want.
What it actually says: Guys will try to fuck me still, but much like you, I can't secure anyone long term either.
zapatosdemadera 8y ago
pretty simple guide to dating:
Chances are she fails one or two of these items. If a woman is 30 years old and takes care of her face and skin, works out, has interesting hobbies and activities, and doesn't suck, she'll do fine.
hebola4lyfe 8y ago
have you ever seen the attitude of a 30 y.o ?
zapatosdemadera 8y ago
... every day in the mirror. But yeah, the numbers vary based on culture, town, and social circle.
SheLivesInAFairyTell 8y ago
Or just stop caring about marriage, its not as magical as you think it is...
CowardlyPetrov 8y ago
From 13-25 men are too young for girls their own age so suck my fucking dick you self-entitled narcissistic dumbass bitch. Life isn't fair.
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Some women that age are pretty attractive.
I'm dating 28yo girl. Bank manager, traveled, good looks, great shape, fun to be around. Taking me to cool places all the time. Tight as gun. Always dresses great.
I'd like to see some specs of lady who started thread at 2xc.
infernalsatan 8y ago
This is actually a good thing for us men, because they will automatically filter themselves out and we don't need to do anything (except for setting the age range).
It's like a pile of garbage saying "I don't want to get into your house". It's win-win.
malariasucks 8y ago
i would think that anything under 23... they might just be very annoying
Rebikhan 8y ago
Men, I know the schadenfreude of "post-wall women" is sweet, but please strive for an end goal of empathy as you move through the anger phase. Men might have the burden of performance, but women have the loss of control... the Christmas Cake. Many of these women were sold a bill of goods that they would still be attractive in their 30s, and now a significant number are realizing the lie.
The blue pill might be brutal but you can always recover and improve your SMV after learning the truth. Women can't, and the mental torment many of them go through at this realization is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
slooberki 8y ago
This is totally true. Young feminists screaming about how they are "victims of the patriarchy" are truly victims of the matriarchy.
They are tricked by people like big red into wasting their best years fighting an imaginary war. It's really sad actually.
Seeing things this way have really helped me with the anger phase which I think I'm almost through with.
TheDreadPill 8y ago
I can relate to this completely. Taking the red pill in my thirties has changed my life, pulling girls in their early 20's. I am looking for a LTR though (shocking to say on this forum at times, and a family is what I want), but seeing women start to wake up to this reality the hard way is downright painful. I had and still have a lot of female friends from my blue pill days who bought into the whole Sex and the City lifestyle, and now I see them pining over their youth and wondering the cliche thought of where have all the good men gone. You can't play captain hindsight and tell them maybe you shouldn't have spent your youth on your career and being a part time, unserious girlfriend. The level of jadedness is terrible, the level that, for men, brings men to this forum. We can still change, testosterone still flows. Women can change, and some have, but it's too easy to remain blue pill feminist. It's comfortable saying it is someone else's fault. Blue pill men do the same. That's the core distinction between red and blue, forward thinking responsibility.
Empathy is not blue pill or red pill. How you react to it defines the pill.
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Fuck that. If someone hits you, you hit them back. I don't believe your hippy bullshit for one damn second.
Jimmy_Big_Nuts 8y ago
As Patrice O'neal said, I would like to live forever like a Vampire just so I could meet all the pretty chicks who once rejected me and go 'Bleh! You're old now'.
gamefuck 8y ago
Many women are falling for the BP lie too but by the time they realise there's nothing they can do except keep denying.
Have you ever seen someone realise they hit the wall at 30 turn 45? It is a truly terrfiying sight. I know one women who treats her ratty little dog like her own child (sleeps in the bed, hand fed) and she is the most horrible, rude and selfish person you will ever meet.
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Bear with me on this analogy, but I see this every day when I get home, and it really helps keep my anger in check with women.
I live with two dogs, one male, and one female. They are siblings from the same litter. The male is an athletic freak who can chase frisbees down in a park for hours. He has an insatiable drive to do this. When we are outside, his life mission is chasing down frisbees. His sister has bad hips, is lower to the ground, slightly overweight, and couldn't catch a frisbee if you hit her in the back of the mouth with it.
Everyday when I step out to our spacious backyard to play with them, the male dog runs and grabs a frisbee and brings it to me, drops it at my feet, and waits for me to throw it. I pick it up, he goes running, and I throw it deep. At this point, the female dog will immediately give up on the idea of chasing the frisbee herself. She knows she can't catch it, and she sure as hell won't beat him to it. What does she do? She chases after him and bites at his ankles. Then after he catches it, she tries to wrestle it away from him, biting his ankles when he gets away from her. I lightly scold her, as she knows that I don't like this behavior, and what does she do? One of two things: She will either go get some other old frisbee and go off in the corner and chew the living shit out of it. She will completely consume it if I don't stop her. The male dog has yet to so much as put a bite mark in a frisbee. If she doesn't do that, she will run over to some grassy bushes and start eating her sorrows away by munching on grass and leaves.
An angry man could simply just despise the female dog. What a bitch, right? Honestly though, she is a great dog. You just have to realize the disadvantages she has in fighting for my attention. You have to have some sympathy for why she behaves the way she does.
How does the male dog handle all of this? Like a fucking champ. Not like some anger-phase, new to TRP guy. They get along great. When they are playing by themselves, he will often let her win in every contest. Wrestling, tug of war, whatever. He completely understands that there is nothing for him to prove to himself or her. In fact, it is extremely common that male dogs will let female dogs win.
I hope you get the point. Be proud to be a man. Hate women all you want for who they are in our society today, but try to understand why they are the way they are. They don't have the options that we have. They have an expiration date a about 35 years old. Their manipulative behaviors and disgusting things that they do are sadly the best options that some of them have.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
I hear you, and you're right. I can accept but not entirely forgive how I've been treated by women. They had a billion options and couldn't even be helpful or honest or nice to me. I was manipulated for their benefit, starting with my upbringing and continuing with every woman I tried to date or be friends with.
What they did was immoral, wrong and above all selfish. In other words: they took full advantage of their market position. Fine, I accept that. And now it is my turn to take advantage of what I've worked hard for. And their turn to do some accepting. I'm really enjoying the market correction.
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Exactly brother. Have no mercy.
WillWorkForLTC 8y ago
This is the best post I have ever seen on TRP. Thank you.
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Jimmy_Big_Nuts 8y ago
The big difference is dogs don't have feminism and don't have the law. A dog can sexually harass a bitch. I'd let bitches win at tug of war all day if I could randomly smell her pussy and fuck her behind a bush. And I bet you any bitch acting like a complete bitch will be put in her place and no cops will show up. Life will uuuh find a way.
EternalVision 8y ago
My two dogs (from different nests, but both French bulldogs) act exactly the same. I've had the same anology linked to TRP for a while now. I guess it's no coinsidence that the word "bitch" gets used like it does, because female dogs truly can be bitchy, especially when it comes to things like getting attention.
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Verlier 8y ago
Everything is fine when you listening to the D-O-G
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Fucking legit description, saving it wholesale to my journal! I love the playful (edit: playful when alone) bit too. I'm adopting that mindset more, and fall easily back into it when I realize I've strayed. This was a very visual explanation that can always be remembered, having grown up loving dogs and knowing a fews' personalities particularly well but never having one at home. All I did was play with them.
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648262 8y ago
I get so much more from comments like your than anger-posts like the ones above. Keep at it, and thanks for sharing!
I love dogs, and they are like extreme caricatures of people - i learned a lot about people from having a dog in my younger years.
magus678 8y ago
A significant portion (most?) of this sub is quite frankly not that interested in this sort of thing.
They are interested in learning things to get over on women and then hearing justification that anything they want to do to anyone is totally cool.
"Enjoy the decline."
KonigInPreussen 8y ago
Seconded. I wouldn't mind if the mods pushed the "If your post is just spiteful, and not informative, don't post" rule a little more.
GuruDev1000 8y ago
It's difficult to draw the line where something becomes spiteful and not informational, if the information is about a group that's out to destroy men if they are beta enough.
BhiQ 8y ago
True, although posts like this one definetly have a place in this community.
cantletthatstand 8y ago
I don't even see the manipulation as that horrible. That's what drew me to... I guess, that Red Pill philosophy.
It simply is. No use getting pissed about it, that's how women evolved to select for mates, and if we're being real here... Red Pill isn't exactly tellling men NOT to be manipulative. All's fair in love and war, and it's resulted in a species that set foot on the fucking moon.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
Yeah, it actually is really horrible. Many men are utterly destroyed by their interactions with women.
So many men investing and slaving away for women believing that in some way their hard work will be rewarded. The result? Suicide, incels, dead bedrooms, wage slaves, alimony, child support (which is mostly alimony), false rape accusations, false violence accusations, never ending passive aggression ... so much misery in the world. It could all be fixed by women just being honest and stop manipulating. Actually work instead of trying to enslave men through the courts.
It really is that horrible for most men out there, don't downplay the impact women have on the world.
cantletthatstand 8y ago
Dude, get off your high horse/pity party. Men manipulate, and men are choosy. Plenty of men will be dating a woman, only to have a seemingly insignificant life change that puts them right next to a younger, sexier, woman that they have a rapport with -- and what happens to woman #1? In many cases she's shit out of luck, he tells her that "It's just not working" and goes and puts his dick into the new model.
That's kind of shitty for her, isn't it? Especially considering that time is a much more villainous enemy for women than it is for men, and she's now stuck right back at the batter's pitch looking for mates. THAT'S why they're manipulative and guarded of their mates, because they don't have nearly the time to be selective as men do. They have the beauty and the sex, but that's only good for, shit, 10-15 years for most women. You'll be sexually viable 'till the day you croak, and if you're not a bitch and work out and eat well, you can be attractive well into your 50's.
So don't give me that shit. Everything you listed there is you waaaaaaay overstating the problem. I'm not suggesting men have it a cakewalk, and by no means am I defending the state's growing anti-male policy, but you're making a fucking mountain out of a molehill.
Suicide? First off, most men don't commit suicide -- and those that do, chose to do that. They chose to commit that grave, final act in a world that is better than it has ever been at any point in human history. Suicidal people should be helped to see the light that life has to offer, but there's an extraordinary level of immaturity in someone willing to take their life for what usually amounts to shitty, trivial reasons.
Incels? Seriously? Women owe you sex? No, they don't. Bitching about this is like uber-feminists bitching that there are so few men willing to father children that aren't theirs. What the hell are you doing in this subreddit if you're just gonna bitch about the way women are? If having someone pork me could put a baby in me, I'd probably be guarded about who I have sex with too. Two way street, be attractive. You are two billion years of evolutionary success, act like it.
Dead bedrooms? See above.
Wage slaves? Full fucking stop. Slaves do not earn wages at all, so this bullshit leftist term flung left right and center is hypocritical right out the door. Secondly, you want better wages? Make yourself more valuable. That's what this subreddit is all about. You live in a world where the government throws money for you to go to college, where any knowledge is literally seconds away from your fingertips, where people and institutions literally give away high quality educational courses on a myriad of subjects. Nobody is obligated to furnish you with a fucking living because you have mastered the difficult talent of breathing and consuming resources. Believe in yourself, dude, you LITERALLY ARE two billion years of evolutionary success. You are a human being, an apex predator with heightened senses and incredible intellect. If you sell yourself short, it isn't the world or society doing you a disservice, it's you.
Alimony and child support? I mean, seriously? I think that the court system is stacked, but do you really think that a loyal woman should be left out to dry with children if the man of the relationship is at fault? Are you saying that we, as a society, have NO obligation to women? I don't think that's very alpha at all.
False rape? Doesn't happen that often, if we're being honest here, and there's an age-old rule that helps to mitigate some of this: Record, record, record (with the climate of the state the way that it is, every man should be recording shit if he can)... and "don't stick your dick in crazy." If you're so thirsty that you fuck the first woman that gives you the time of day, and she cries "rape!" despite consenting... I am hard-pressed to argue that you aren't, at least somewhat, responsible. You bitch about women's manipulation, but they can only manipulate so far as you let them. You should evaluate people before you decide to fuck them, because crazy will rear its head.
The world could be fixed by everyone not being dicks to eachother, and that observation is about as useful as a vagina that fucks itself.
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GRL_PM_ME_UR_FANTASY 8y ago
Exactly. Which is why the "LOL stupid whore should have settled 5 years ago" comments are so lame. Like we get it dude you're ugly and girls passed on you. You can either improve or complain about women's natural state which isn't changing anytime soon.
[deleted] 8y ago
I get what you're saying but to me the analogy ends when the female dog removes the male dog's rights, suckers him into alimony, and takes his kids. Female ankle biting isn't cute because it's actually very very dangerous.
throwaway-aa2 8y ago
Yeah but it's men that allow this. The analogy to match that example would be if the guy in this example didn't scold the female dog from biting at the male's ankles. But we're in the situation now so we do the best we can.
[deleted] 8y ago
They can do even worse than that man. Regardless, anger won't make it go away. Understand what drives women to do these things and do everything in your power to not become a victim. Be proud you are in a position such that you won't ever have to stoop to their kevels.
[deleted] 8y ago
Anger helps to not give a fuck and to not prioritize some psychopathic whore. Anger keeps you from going soft and keeps a man fighting. There's no reason to treat anger like a phase. Anger's a purpose.
Luscious_Fox 8y ago
Anger is a justified reaction to injustice.
crestingwave 8y ago
Look at it this way. Being angry at women for acting out their nature is like being angry at the sun for rising in the morning, or at the leaves for turning brown in the Fall. Once you gain social intelligence and adjust your expectations you can make the game work for you.
Aerobus 8y ago
The message that needs to be taught is to control your anger and not let anger control you. Anger is good. It is an expression of your emotion, which is something guys don't do enough of because of our society. But if you let your anger consume you then it's a problem.
I still get angry when I read about women falsely accusing men of rape,or lying to him that she's not cheating. It's a normal response to get angry. But I know thanks to trp that is the inmate nature of woman to be a generally shifty human being. Thus, I don't dwell on it, put a smile on my face, and continue on my day.
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Don't put money into this site.
Steve_Wiener 8y ago
So one should just excuse them and accept their behavior?
fittitthroway 8y ago
Nope. But it helps to recognize what causes them to be such cunts and to act accordingly and protect yourself.
throwaway-aa2 8y ago
A lot of people equal anger with non acknowledgement.... as if you HAVE to be angry with something in order to not accept it. This is why this subreddit exists... not to sit here like the mensrights subreddit and get mad at all the constant examples of unequality... but to simply just BE BETTER. There is a saying that goes.... change comes from within. How can we expect things to change if we don't change ourselves first? You know what would make women change irrevocably? If for a couple of generations, some of us started working out, setting boundaries... then having kids and repeating the process... and then all of a sudden we get to a generation where the men that are valued are those of a RedPill mindset. It's like another poster said before: women don't respect a non valuable man's opinion. No one is saying anything about accepting or not accepting behavior: evolution has spoken in terms of how women operate. BE BETTER. Women pick the best, and we have to BE our best. This is how it works. The best we can do, is teach our sons and other men how to be their best. Men are better than women in terms of the value we bring, and women, born into value, get to choose the men fit enough to bear his children. Men have lost their way in this technological, SJW age and lost their balls. As in the example the guy gave... it is our fault for not scolding them while they are nipping at our legs while we're chasing the frisbee.
through_a_ways 8y ago
This implies that we should not treat women as equals, and that we should not afford them the same rights as men. The problem is that we give women the same privileges as men, but absolve them of the responsibilities that men have.
It's a logical inconsistency, AKA hypocrisy.
Women's rights is a bit like letting 5 year olds have guns. No matter how much damage comes from it, they will never receive blame for their actions. So the best recourse is to deprive them of those rights/privileges in the first place.
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they're all mentally screwed and fucked the older they get. the more cocks they ride, the more they lose their souls. i will never date a woman above the age of 24 ever again. they have too much experience and baggage, they're all head cases.
foldpak111 8y ago
Don't even get me started on dealing with them in the workplace.
ChanThunderwang 8y ago
Could vs Would
I am in my mid 20s and sometimes women up to 35 still look absolutely attractive to me. This does not mean that a 20 yo woman should speculate that she will be this woman. 70% just get fat and are undateable by 25. But 100% think they will be the woman who looks good with 40.
nicethingyoucanthave 8y ago
There are lots of drop-dead gorgeous 35+ year old women. I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise.
But here's the thing, picture one of those women in your head. Now try to imagine what she looked like at 25.
Yeah. That is the real point. We men place so much emphasis on physical beauty, and it declines for everyone. Men have a bit more collagen so we age a little better, but we're not immune. The difference is that women (thank god) are more attracted to signs of status, and social intelligence. As a result, with a bit of focus and discipline, you can actually improve yourself. 35 year old you might actually be more attractive than 25 year old you. That is literally never true for women.
Another thing that people misunderstand is that they think I'm suggesting 35 year old men are more attractive on average than 25 year old men. I'm not saying that - not at all. In fact, I'd say that the majority of men let themselves go.
What I'm saying is that if you imagine yourself at 25 trying to pick up some girl, whether you succeed or fail - if a portal opened up and 35 year old you stepped out of it, what I'm saying is that 35 year old you could (with focus and discipline) look approximately the same. But 35 year old you could be a lot smoother, have a lot higher social status, more money, and be generally better with women. 35 year old you could give 25 year old you a run for his money.
...and that is never true with women. They can never step through the portal and say, "hey! I have a great career now! Don't you want to date me?" Nope. 25 year old you is hotter. "But! I spent a year in Europe! I learned some French!" Nope. 25 year old you is hotter.
squidracer 8y ago
But would you commit and try to start a family with a 35 year old?
Uptonogood 8y ago
At 35, a woman has less than 10% chance of being able to get pregnant, and it only gets worse until menopause. Add to that they're getting into menopause each time sooner. And you have a really bad prospect if you actually desire to start a family.
Man-with-a-pitchfork 8y ago
Just to make sure people understand this correctly: it's per month of trying. So for every 100 women at age 35 who are regularly having unprotected sex, around 10 would get pregnant every month.
That still means that after a year of trying, aroung 60% would be pregnant.
Still, the number is much higher for younger women.
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Children of older mothers are much more likely to have birth defects and other disorders, like Down's.
Uptonogood 8y ago
I used to date a psych who dealt with these kids. That was pretty much the case.
One of the things she told me that got me surprised, is that some mothers even with the proper genetic counselling that indicated high probability of these disorders, they still went on and got pregnant.
Because that baby tingle and subsequent validation is just that much more important then the well being of a child.
JackGoldsteinWrites 8y ago
A worthy post, sir.
It makes no one's life better, least of all the reader's, to sit here chortling at the trials and tribulations of another lost soul.
Women are humans too, and they are, in many ways, on the same journey as us, to self-realization and enlightenment. For that reason we should empathize with anyone who is misled and fundamentally denied happiness (women do need a man to be happy).
I truly emphatize with the alpha widows like Jennifer Aniston and the post-wall ex-CC riders who wake up to a hollow existence. You can't un-widow, you can't reverse time. It's insanely cruel.
gstvtrp 8y ago
No, fuck that. Women never had empathy for the men with the same problems but during their youth.
Every day we are reminded how horrible we are.
KarYotypeStereotype 8y ago
And I think, at the end of the day, this phenomenon is what many women are grasping at when they refer to the patriarchy. Women are not oppressed by men as they claim, but it is assuredly better to be male, because men have the chance to continue to become more valuable right up until senility. Women, regardless of what they do with their lives, at some point hit the wall. I think they witness men becoming happier, more confident, more fulfilled, more comfortable as their lives go on, while women become more neurotic, more jaded, more bitter, and more desperate as the wall approaches and beyond. They falsely attribute it to inequality of opportunity, or some sort of cultural issue, when in reality it is merely that across time and all societies, men and women are valued differently and are made happy and whole by different things. "Patriarchy" boils down to the lament that women are born with 90% of their value as humans as innate characteristics, namely their womb and their genetics, while men largely have the opportunity to shape their future. We can fail much more significantly, and there is no male safety net, but ultimately we are the largely the architects of our own destinies. Patriarchy really refers to the fact that the bedrock of human society is the uterus, and along with it femininity, beauty, youth, and fertility, and that all other human effort strives to attain and protect these things. Men are free from the burden of being what is sought, and instead are free to be the seeker. We are valued for what we do and not what we are.
It must be exasperating to be the flower that everyone wants to pick until it is no longer in bloom, and so I can see why they spend so much effort and energy trying to be something other than what they are. Despite all of the anger on this sub about the male situation, women do truly have it worse. I would not trade places with them.
ReasonFreak 8y ago
Well said sir, I've come to believe that a lot of what's keeping feminism alive is misplaced female anger. They know they're mad at something, dissatisfied with something and then along come the feminists to tell them that it's all the patriarchy's fault when it's really just a woman's lot in life. The mature thing to do would be to try to build something on that lot but all too many take the easy route of blind feminist rage.
Jimmy_Big_Nuts 8y ago
Beautiful writing. However, I think this only applies to men with the potential to become something. You clearly have mental facilities and a way with worlds. If you were a man who failed hard in life, that no one gave a shit about, homeless, ill, maybe not completely sane, etc... Makes me shudder to think how completely some men are discarded. I feel more for homeless men than ugly women.
KarYotypeStereotype 8y ago
I have had the good fortune to be naturally talented my entire life, that much is true. I admit that my perceptions are shaped by my own life experience. Perhaps I underestimate the plight of the below average male, but I still believe that most men can better themselves and become at least modestly valuable and attractive to at least some subset of women. The ugly female, on the other hand, can only rely on the deception of cosmetics and the push up bra, and those rather cheap tricks can only get her so far. At a certain age, no amount of effort will better her position, and men do not face such an inevitability.
makethemsayayy 8y ago
They could invent something or use their brains, if they weren't so driven by emotion.
but thanks, this might help me eek out of the anger phase. Well a bunch of these comments, not just yours.
KarYotypeStereotype 8y ago
Many women do use their brains, invent things, have careers, etc., and that's great, but it doesn't make them better wives or mothers. That's the rub. Women should focus on that stuff if they want to, but they should do it with their eyes open and without the deception that they can have it all.
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exactly - plenty of men decide to be fucking bums. They know they did not apply themselves and shouldn't feel owed a good job. A bum cannot expect to be taken seriously if he complains that all the good women pass him up
makethemsayayy 8y ago
do we have a different definition of "many"?
KarYotypeStereotype 8y ago
I didn't say "most", but I think many is fair. Red pill hyperbole aside, there really are a lot do women out there who are not the typical vacuous slut. They just aren't more attractive, and in fact are often less so. It's the age old tale of the highly successful woman who has nothing but cats to come home to.
Sendmeyour 8y ago
I thought this was well thought out and one of the best comments I've read on this sub this week.
The only thing I might add is that a woman can decide to pursue a meaningful career and a meaningful life as a mother but the two together are almost mutually exclusive. It takes years to get settled into a career you enjoy both financially and spiritually, sometimes decades. Unfortunately they have a time clock set by our ape ancestors that works against them if they want both. I imagine this could be a reason for this lashing out of female hostility towards the "patriarchy", which might really just be mother nature and time.
A successful woman is extremely attractive, but so are the stargate hips and beautiful freshness of a 20 year old. That's just science I think.
These are things mothers should be talking to their daughters about instead of leaving them to hit a wall some weren't wise enough to see coming.
Jimmy_Big_Nuts 8y ago
A successful woman is extremely attractive? You mean like Jennifer 'face glazed like a doughnut with cum' Lawrence? I've never been attracted to a high paid high power business woyman, like this one I know how is a self made millionaire of great tallent with a thyroid problem built like a refrigerator. I prefer her sexy younger sister who is training to be a doctor - not because of the doctor thing - but because she looks stunning. I'd still like her if she was training to be a burger flipper! It's natural femininity, youth and beauty every time. Helps if they can hold a conversation. I'm the man, to me she's just a girl.
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successful women are attractive in their own way. Intelligence and competence are very attractive qualities. It might not necessarily make for great sex, but they can be turnons all the same.
however, establishing dominance in a relationship with a successful woman is trp on hard mode. If you can't do it, don't bother.
BrunoOh 8y ago
No one is saying intelligence and competence aren't valuable traits in a partner, but they aren't arousing traits. They don't make a man want to have sex with her. And, you can't use these traits to replace things like femininity, looking hot..etc.
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yes, sex is better with a hot girl, even a vapid one. But sex is only a fraction of the time you spend with a girl you choose to have a relationship with. I would rather have C+ sex and A- companionship than vice versa.
[deleted] 8y ago
Bullshit.
They had the choice and face the consequences. We have the consequences and then face the choice.
fittitthroway 8y ago
Exactly. They put this shit on themselves.
DannyDemotta 8y ago
Smugposting. Bullshit. You could get 700 upvotes and this would still be garbage.
Laughing at someones misfortune doesnt make you angry or bitter - it makes you someone with a sense of humor, who can appreciate the irony of nature's tables finally turning. You can wish someone a speedy recovery after they flip over their bicycle and land face-first, trying to show off.
Once the front page is 80% shitposting and hate, you'll have a point. Until then, the occasional laugh here and there is therapy. Trying to deprive others of the release screams imposter, agent, plant, not one of us. I pray you're just misguided but who knows. Not reading the fucking sidebar is an epidemic these days.
fittitthroway 8y ago
Exactly. Its white knighting. They don't even realize it.
[deleted] 8y ago
It's not white knighting, nobody is riding to women's defense. He's saying there's no need to be angry, it doesn't solve anything. He's also saying that it would suck to know that your value drops faster every year and there's nothing you can do about it, and the contrast between being an attractive young woman and an invisible older woman has to be painful.
DannyDemotta 8y ago
Sounds like a violation of TRP philosophy - Feminist Shaming Tactics. Calling someone angry/bitter is not a valid reason to disregard someones feelings, theories, ideas or opinions.
Nobody here is required to feel anything for women. Dont be ignorant. Theres tradeoffs to the life they lead - they know that. Theres no free lunches. Many refuse to change their ways until its too late - thats their problem, not mine. Not ours. Assuming you're one of us, which you shouldnt call yourself one of us until you read the fucking sidebar material and stop running off at the mouth
[deleted] 8y ago
Don't be so hasty. I'm not saying there aren't fair reasons to be pissed and vindictive, I'm saying it doesn't benefit a man to behave this way.
DannyDemotta 8y ago
Maybe not for you. Don't speak for all of us. You aren't qualified and have no authority to do so. If you spent even 5 minutes trying to think of reasons why it could benefit a man, then you'd understand. But you're busy thinking up RULES and DOGMA, rather than trying to have a conversation and hash out ideas.
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Piroko 8y ago
Firstly I think you mean sympathy, not empathy. I can understand a person's emotions and still wish them ill.
But regarding your point... why?
Seriously, why?
Sympathy is not owed, sir. If it is desired, it must be earned.
These people do not deserve sympathy. They selfishly and foolishly squandered their advantages while they had them, and now those advantages are gone.
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
cariboo_j 8y ago
I think it's some residual gynocentricism.
With all that neoteny, it's hard to not to give girls sympathy.
His male-monkey-brain is tricking him.
BhiQ 8y ago
Because this is not what makes a society great.
You can choose to be a dog-eat-dog kind of human with the help of what TRP preaches. You pump and dump as many as you like, date 20 years olds 'till you're 60, become rich through some kind of psychopathic scheme (bankers, etc) and generally be a scourge on the world. You might be happy because you take what you want when you want it but you're not offering value to anyone else in society. I understand why that's an attractive option in our current society but it won't help fix the problems that make it so.
On the other hand, and I think that's what /u/Rebikhan is arguing for, you can be an alpha male, live life to the fullest, sleep with many women ... and still give value to the people around you and society. Find a suitable woman, father children, build something that makes you rich and advances society. Leading by example instead of giving up on our society.
Piroko 8y ago
I think we can agree that the women expecting sympathy for their bad their bad choices, are not "suitable". Hence why I am deaf to their grievances and feelings. I will not lift one finger to help people whom I think are getting what they deserve.
whatsazipper 8y ago
I don't think that's generally considered empathy.
Piroko 8y ago
Empathy, noun: the action of understanding, being aware of, the feelings, thoughts and experience of another without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated
Sympathy, noun: the act or capacity of entering into or sharing the feelings or interests of another
A person can be empathic without being sympathetic. Actually, the capacity for empathy might even be a prerequisite to describing someone as emotionally manipulative or abusive, as you have to have a comprehension of the emotional state of others in order to deliberately control it.
whatsazipper 8y ago
Where did you pull that definition from?
Piroko 8y ago
A dictionary.
Zipper is in there too, you should buy one.
whatsazipper 8y ago
When I look at the dictionary I also get:
"Used similarly to sympathy, interchangeably in looser usage. In stricter usage, empathy is stronger and more intimate, meaning that the subject understands and shares an emotion with the object – as in “I feel your pain” – while sympathy is weaker and more distant – concern, but not shared emotion: “I care for you”."
This implies something very different from what you have stated.
If I copy and paste a segment of your definition, I find you left out some words: the action of understanding, being aware of, the feelings, thoughts and experience of another without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner
In other words, empathy describes someone relating to another on an emotionally deeper level than sympathy.
It is not a synonym for callous, detached emotional recognition.
Piroko 8y ago
Okay let's us the American Heritage Dictionary. It's the least SJW'ed.
Empathy: The ability to identify with or understand the perspective, experiences, or motivations of another individual and to comprehend and share another individual's emotional state.
Sympathy: A feeling of pity or sorrow for the distress of another; commiseration.
whatsazipper 8y ago
The thing is, if you genuinely share an emotional state and connection with another person, it's completely contradictory to wishing ill upon them. Hence why empathy is considered a deeper, more substantial response to someone; sympathy, on the other hand, is cheap. Anyone can be sympathetic and it's often not a good thing.
Piroko 8y ago
If that were true then the phrase "you have my empathies" would work the same as "you have my sympathies".
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Then be indifferent. Hating them and being angry doesn't help anyone.
Piroko 8y ago
Everything I have said thus far IS indifference.
I can wish someone ill without hating them or being angry, if they've earned it.
They have. They deserve what happens to them. They do not deserve my sympathies.
If they want my sympathies or my help, then that too must be earned. In that regard to that earning, they are starting out with owed debt for all the borrowing society has done on their behalf and for their benefit.
Whether it be through schaudenfreude or more direct means, I will be repaid, one way or the other.
There is a subtle nuance there. I do not believe society owes me a partner. Nor do I believe any random person owes me anything that won't be repaid via schaudenfreude. It is only someone who expects more of me before that schaudenfreude pays the debt full term (that is, before I die) who owes me anything. I am not opposed to "saving" a carouseler sir (a thin one anyway), but they must earn it and that will involve grovelling among other things. I am not by nature a sadist but I am something like it where credit is concerned.
TL;DR: Whomever wants my sympathies for the harm feminism has done to their lives, must first pay me for the harm it has done to mine for their benefit.
[deleted] 8y ago
You seem too bitter to say you're indifferent. Not all women are responsible for modern feminism and beta culture. If anything, look for reparations from the corporations who push this shit because it's profitable.
Piroko 8y ago
Ironic, you got every single point in that post backwards to how I think.
I AM bitter. But I am not bitter towards women, individuals in general, or corporations, for acting in their own self interest. They done what was right by them and I can't fault them on that.
I fault people who DON'T act in their own self interest. They DON'T balance things out, they desire to become white knight social creditors and because of that they throw society into imbalance.
White knights want to give it away to women, like stupid investors buying up the market to astronomical prices, or selling junk mortgages to unqualified borrowers. And as they say "the market can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent". I cannot fight the market alone. But I can, like a lender who has been defaulted upon, make demands upon anyone coming to me for credit. I am not obliged to match the market's price, to participate in the race to zero. That makes me something LIKE a MGTOW, but not quite. A MGTOW turns people away actively; where I have simply set a price in the SMP so high that there probably won't be any takers. If I say "I expect the moon" and nobody offers it, the only person I have to fault for that is me, which I'm fine with.
As for the carouselers, it is not bitterness. They chose something, and choices have consequences. I wish them all those consequences and wish none help them past those consequences. "I didn't know", "it was a stupid mistake", "virtue was not convenient at the time", etc, these are excuses. Excuses do not balance scales. I'm not blaming them, I'm not faulting them (because to blame or fault there must be doubt about guilt or agency; there is no doubt, they did it, willfully). I'm merely holding them accountable for what has been done.
Maybe my experience has been different from most. I've always had looks and enough apparent wealth that women have never treated me like shit or pretended I don't exist; they've always been the ones approaching me.
[deleted] 8y ago
I'm saying to you, man, that it's not in your best interest to be angry and bitter over these things. Bullshit has always existed, but you can always do your shit successfully by enforcing your will regardless.
Piroko 8y ago
You keep insisting that I'm angry. Repetition does not make it so. I am however annoyed that you seem to think you know my mind.
If I was angry, I would go take out somehow. While you sit there typing a reply, I've switched back to my yamaha and am blazing through another piece on my quest to be a halfway decent piano player. And when I've finished, I'll refresh this page and see if you've typed another round of "let's play amateur psychologist."
[deleted] 8y ago
For not being angry you're getting pretty aggressive there, champ.
Piroko 8y ago
Aggression and anger are not the same. The belief that they are is bullshit made up by SJWs and psychologists to try to undermine their enemies passionate argument style.
People (moreoften men) can be joyfully aggressive without hate, just as people (moreoften women) can be passive-aggressively hateful.
The belief that all overt aggression must be driven by blind white-hot anger alone is applying the norms of women's behavior to men.
magnue 8y ago
That's perfect then, because he definitely isn't interested in you.
Snivellious 8y ago
The answers about "you don't want those men" all make the same mistake. They can't tell the difference between '5 years younger' and '20 years old, regardless of age gap'.
There are totally creepy dudes who are dating down because they suck at life. They're the guys who were dating high school freshmen at age 20, and are dating 20 year olds at age 30. They suck, so they have to find someone younger who mistakes age for maturity and impressiveness.
There are also guys (all the guys) who prefer dating women around age 20. OKCupid found this result already, as you point out. That's not about an age gap, it's something shared by guys across every age range on the entire website.
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hellbourner 8y ago
The funny thing is, men wanting younger women are "blacklisted" for them, because that's disgustingly sexist and what not.
Women wanting older men though, completely reasonable and normal.
thisornothing 8y ago
You really have to marvel at the logic of someone who thinks the blame lies with the world, rather than anything they're doing or did. You're 28, it's getting rarer that guys your age will want to date you - precisely because they know you're thinking about what you're thinking about (marriage, kids, etc) - that's not the world's problem. She could date older, try messaging people on OKCupid herself instead of waiting to be hit on like she's probably used to, maybe abandon the idea of marriage altogether, redefine what it is she actually wants, etc.
She might do that, but it's just insane that this shit doesn't seem to occur to them until it happens.
thebillstone 8y ago
These women are the female equivalent of nice guys.
hebola4lyfe 8y ago
they are the female equivalent of "losers" . I use to think of only men when the term "loser" was implied but now I see a lot of pathetic girls/women acting like losers . It's so cringy to see them whimper like this . They pretend to be so mighty and strong but in reality they are weak little dogs looking for an owner.
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
that's why I only date the Murphy Brown type career women (cough)
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Dravous 8y ago
a little off topic but anyone else think it kind of sucks that this is the state of affairs? I always thought that a 1930s/40s clean suit with a trench and a fedora was a slick look. very professional imo. now...well it's not just happening is it..
Uptonogood 8y ago
There's a difference between being fucking Don Draper in a lined suit, trench-coat and fedora and being a fat disgusting neckbeard in a fedora and a cheetos stained FF7 T-shirt.
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Context.
A fedora looks fucking stupid in 7-11, but no one give a damn if the guy wearing it looks like Don Draper.
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PeanutFlavor 8y ago
Man, I love seeing this article because it totally reeks of so many RP truths but at the same time, I'm scratching my head; so many seem to be pining over becoming "Chad" then the next post is shaming women for going to be with "Chad". Isn't Chad the euphemism for the uneducated, physically attractive but intellectually (and financially) robbed version of the man we're all aspiring to be? Isn't he supposed to be the amateur version of the worldly, physically fit, mentally agile version of what we are after? I keep seeing this in and out portrayal of the goal here...
nuesuh 8y ago
So, why is she posting on reddit while crying and eating fastfood?
Factushima 8y ago
"They aren't willing to date an equal?" Holy shit that got me laughing. I'll guarantee she dates older guys! Hilarious
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evileddy 8y ago
That level of entitlement.... "I'm female.. where's my provider?"
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my ex reminds me of her. she was approaching the fall too; best woman you will ever meet---- when i didn't commit right away (because how the fuck do u expect me to marry you after a couple months)-----> the ugliest bitch you will ever meet. she was talking about marriage and kids very early, she wanted to lock me down, i felt, she just wanted to be in a relationship and get married. at the time, she would've married anyone who showed her some attention. anyway, when i didn't commit, guess what happened? the best woman i ever met, turned into the most evil bitch i've ever met. i then caught feelings and wanted to stay with her (i became super insecure, beta 99%), but she started to cheat on me- coincidence? think again. she asked me what did take me so long? and that our timing was off all of a sudden......Said the same chick who wanted to marry me months prior. Awalt. TRP. Case closed.
Kiluan 8y ago
"TL;DR: Feminism is its own worst enemy."
I've said this in a conversation with a male and female feminist before; they pulled me into their conversation by asking if I was a feminist, I chuckled and said "Noooo", so their focus suddenly went to berating and shaming me about not being a feminist.
I thought the woman's head was going to have a rage-induced explosion when I said it, but she ended up saying, "I can't even take you right now." and walked away. Though I didn't think I won or lost an argument, I got a lot of satisfaction from seeing her storm off and the little turd dude scurry after her.
through_a_ways 8y ago
Everything about male female relations, and their physical differences, draw a perfect analogy with adults and children.
Would you treat a child the same way as an adult? Would you give a child all the same privileges and rights? The child will think they want these privileges, but they will ultimately be fucked over by them.
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These stories just make me smile. Whenever I hear the standard approaching 30, spent-up woman, desperately trying to find a man to latch on to it reminds me of how feminism just hurts women. If she can't find a BB soon she will likely have to get cats to fill the void of children in her life
the_Milkweed 8y ago
I play magic the gathering :'(
MaximusNeo701 8y ago
As to I; and to each his own for hobby preferences.
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the_Milkweed 8y ago
I pull angel flying with ajani. Can't hit me without reach and constantly gaining life and tokens. Can't seem to deal with vamps though. Fucking two hand decks.
Rooi_Aap 8y ago
Social proof in action.
As this guy says: "I can't put my penis in your college degree"
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Zen-Zinxe 8y ago
There's no explanation for anything the commenters are saying. They simply state something as though it is factual. Like guys wanting to date below their age range being not worth dating. Where's the reasoning, what's the thought process behind it?
Obviously the only thought process behind this is trying to protect their self image by trying to shame anyone who disagrees with how they see things.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
This is three things: beta shaming on the surface. Also it's sour grapes - disqualifying those that have already disqualified her (ie trying to discount the young men who won't date her). Also and critically: she's discounting older men who would date her. She wants to date men of her age and won't go older, and she phrases this as "guys wanting to date below their age are not worth dating".
Kinda clever, but also painfully transparent to any TRP aware men.
Claude_Reborn 8y ago
I know a girl like this, despite being close to 40, she has a 9 body and is fit as hell from a lifetime of snowboarding.
She is the quintessential "Board bunny" with all the CC riding that went with that lifestyle. She is a funny as hell, and much less basic than most women I know, so I keep in contact.
She is at the point now where she is bemoaning that she can't lock down a guy, and all she is, is a "side piece" for guys. I haven't the heart to tell her the honest truth, because I think it might break her.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
I dated a seriously hit 39 year old. Rockin body, 6-7 face. For a few years prior to meeting me, she was "side piece" to some dude who strung her along. I fully intended to LTR her, but she would turn on the spoiled brat attitude from time to time. She tried giving me the silent treatment for a couple of weeks to punish me for some mistake I made that she never bothered to communicate to me, so I just let it die on the vine.
(Oddly enough, this was the final relationship that brought me to MGTOW and subsequently TRP).
My point is, they CAN lock down guys if they are older and still hot. They just need to stop sabotaging their relationships because they didn't land a Harlequin romance character for a BF. She had a quasi-Alpha, a financially secure, athletic, manly man, but she shit tested me to bend and I refused and we ended up in a multi-week don't call the other person first standoff.
In retrospect, I feel sorry for her. I was probably her lat best chance, but she acted like a spoiled brat, even at her age, and shit herself in the foot.
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Claude_Reborn 8y ago
Yeah I can't be mad at women like that when they have been lied to their entire life by feminism.
They made terrible decisions due to being fed terrible information.
Garbage in, Garbage out.
gstvtrp 8y ago
No dude, I guarantee you they saw the signs. Maybe they were a Bluepiller arguing with a redpiller, calling the RPer a misogynist and all the nasty names out there.
Claude_Reborn 8y ago
Implying a level of self awareness / logic / reflection that most women don't have.
Women live in the moment, they aren't long term planners which is why the wall hits them so hard. It's like a bird hitting a window.
Halfjor 8y ago
Something I'd like to point out is that many women who experience this don't exactly deserve that kick in the gut. For you anger phase guys, try not to be too vindictive. Feminism is to blame for a good amount of this bullshit. Much of the time it's not just solipsism. They've been taught that you can slut it up and "experiment", and still get a high value man. Have your cake and eat it too. Just as many of us have been lied to about female nature, many of these women have been lied to about male nature. They were taught that a high value man will be receptive regardless of their past, even though it couldn't be further from the truth. They were taught that no one had a right to judge them on their past, and use that to determine their quality. It's the exact opposite. That's what every man should do.
Plenty of women are getting a rude awakening to these things, because they, like you, have been manipulated and lied to.
Thankfully we have TRP. I can't imagine women will ever start something similar. They're going to hamster it away until the day the sun swallows the earth.
gstvtrp 8y ago
Sorry, but no.
When women ease up on the vindictiveness TODAY, maybe I'll do it in the future when they're older.
dr_warlock 8y ago
It's understandable, but not acceptable.
hebola4lyfe 8y ago
Do. Not. Take. Agency. Away. From. Women !
Read what you wrote . They should be held RESPONSIBLE just like men .
Stop being a fucking whiteknight beta mangina and feel pity for them. THEY DONT FEEL ANY PITY FOR US !
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KCBrowsin 8y ago
I have dated older women but I was truly disappointed when I learned their age (30) otherwise attractive women, you cant help but ask why? Why is this woman single at this age...? Women should have no reasons to be single at 30, there are so many guys willing to give a half decent woman their time and love. Its just mind boggling, I prefer to date 20-23 range personally.
potterly 8y ago
Just wondering how old are you?
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moose_war 8y ago
I can't stop laughing at everything here. This is the equivalent of a fat virgin male saying "2/10 would not bang" or a guy going "Well I didn't even want to fuck you anyway, bitch" after being rejected.
You're fucking 41 lady, you don't have to sit in a room crying over it but there's no need to get this delusional.
Also I'd bet money that this part about the men chasing youthful ideals is no longer creepy when/if a fit 28 year old guy hits on her, right?
Rasalom72 8y ago
Fuck...someone get me some of the juice those hamsters are on... I would make Brodin jelly with all the gainz.
Those must be some absolutely RIPPED hamsters!
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GrandmasterHurricane 8y ago
"This culture LOVES to tell women that they have an expiration date, and that they're just past it, no matter how old they are. It keeps women desperate, it keeps our standards low, it keeps us buying products we don't need to meet a standard of beauty that isn't even real".
Welcome to the live of an average male: Desperation, low standards, buying women's time etc. Except this happens for life.
Fuck_shadow_bans 8y ago
Feminism isn't it's own worst enemy. It just isn't the friend of most women. Feminism is an ideology of the ugly dykes, by the ugly dykes, and for the ugly dykes. They win by convincing all the normal women to accept their insane victory conditions.
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The response to the top comment was the best:
Comment
Response
The hamsters will be forced into overdrive on that one.
dr_warlock 8y ago
Who would have thought that sexual attraction had to do with the the ability to conceive?!?
Uptonogood 8y ago
A 35 year woman has less than 10% chance of being able to get pregnant. Let they try and hamster that.
Borsao66 8y ago
My google-fu used to say fertility took a 50% hit at 35 and dropped an additional 10% each year after that. Not impossible to get pregnant by 40, by the odds are against it.
Glennus626 8y ago
Relevant best example of hitting the wall I've ever seen in musical form.
She should look on the bright side -- she realized at 29 what the real deal is, so she's a couple years ahead of the curve.
ColonelMitchell 8y ago
Yo check out the comments on that video. RP truths and hamstering abound.
WidmerBeer 8y ago
Yep, this is the constant attitude I see on social media as well which is why i loved that video since my age group is turning 30 next year. Lots of single women around this age 'travel' I've noticed.
Now our goal is to strive to be the best we can be, and should any former CC-rider, single mom, or post-wall woman try to lure you from your awesome life in your late 20s/30s/40s to lock you down as a BB there's no need to be rude when rejecting her, just say something arbitrarily absurd, something they would have said when they were at their prime as a hot young 19-24 year old when the world revolved around them... "I just need time for myself right now to enjoy meeting new people. Remember you can't go looking for it, it will just happen."
Then hold back the hysterical Joker laugh from coming out.
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HAHAHA, I'm doing this left and right. I'm getting tired of even spending effort spinning them though, not even that thirsty. They never think it's cute and probably don't see the irony, and I am being authentic, so it's cool. >25 are only good as "ports" now, IMO. (TIL ports = plates in remote cities).
MustNotFfff 8y ago
I'm so using this line at some point. Count on it ;)
Borsao66 8y ago
"Sorry, but I'm super busy, plus I gotta go give my pet piranah his oral meds here in a bit, cya"
KeithStone30rack 8y ago
"I have to return some videotapes"
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This is so funny, just asume that they want to be treated like they treated you.
systemshock869 8y ago
Projection's a bitch, huh bitch?!
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raceAround126 8y ago
I think I watched that like 3 times... the first time I have ever seen women actually being funny.
laere 8y ago
And they didn't use the word vagina!
mmmicky 8y ago
I'd never listened to them until now. They are genuinely clever people, assuming they write their stuff.
It's too bad that the only female comedians that get widespread attention are just plain terrible, perpetuating the idea that women are incapable of being funny.
Purecorrupt 8y ago
I saw Amy Schumer at Oddball fest recently. She had 1 good joke in her whole set that took some thought. But it was more of a "I see what you did - good job" than a holy shit that the truth. Granted I still laughed at a few bad jokes, but overall not that impressed.
raceAround126 8y ago
Women by in large aren't funny. I see a lot of comedy gigs and comediennes consistently fall into the same old traps. Either jokes about sex, womens' problems (i.e. period jokes, etc) and increasingly moreso, patriarchy.
Men seem to have shit a lot more thought out and actually capable of reflecting the climates we live in. Of course there are crap male comedians too. In fact any time I see a comedian get on stage with an acoustic guitar, it takes every ounce of my sanity not to rush the stage, grab the guitar and beat him to death with the stupid thing.
BucketOfSunshins 8y ago
There are some gems out there. This one is my favorite. "Girls are assholes - at a bar" https://youtu.be/hbeEuYAZFL4
Uptonogood 8y ago
Everything in life is an extrapolation of rules 1 and 2. People act all high and mighty, but the truth is were nothing more than naked apes driven by instinct.
BucketOfSunshins 8y ago
I partially disagree. I joke that humans are like a driver on an elephant. The naked ape instinct is the elephant. It's a hell of a lot bigger and stronger than "modern man" would like to admit. Our conscious mind is the driver on top. Yeah, he's got some reins and can do some influence, but he's not really in charge. It's only when the elephant lets him drive.
The biggest flaw with the modern conception of "free will" is that it's completely unfettered by biological concerns. Oh, the hubris.
drummmmergeorge 8y ago
This is why I perfer japanese girls. They age gracefully, I was just speaking to one yesterday. She was digging the psychology tutoring, but you can't really be even to be dominant. Maybe in a few years.
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One_friendship_plz 8y ago
Enlighten me how it's an accomplishment for these women to have gained "so many" dates at an old age?
I would feel ashamed. I mean as a guy it's about how many you fucked, but it's a bit disgraceful to have a long list of relationships that never went anywhere.
You'll never hear me brag about having 100's of girlfriends.
squidracer 8y ago
I like how the top comment is by a women over 40 that says she dates men of all ages..
How come none of all these wonderful men won't commit??????
Ha!
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
So why would she mind a guy who was 33-35ish who might actually want to date her?
Because the Hamster wants to complain and blame. The Hamster is always about blaming other people for its own problems instead of doing something about the problem. This woman has plenty of options (assuming semi-decent looks)...including messaging guy whose cut off is 26. I doubt most guys (esp BP types) are going to care if she's 28...the '26' is to keep the 32 year olds away. She just wants to piss and moan about how 'unfair' shit is....
MorePancakes 8y ago
Was that a reply I mixed or are you talking to yourself O.O
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Swoledinger 8y ago
Here's a simple true fact about the vast majority of guys.
At 20, I looked back and realized how lame the 18 year old me was. At 25, I looked back and realized how much more awesome I was than when I was 20. At 30, I'm better then I was at 25 in every way. Current day, I'm the best yet.
Why would anyone want to 'date' the lesser version of me given the choice. They wouldn't.
A strategic spinster will pick up a man well below herself in terms of years, while he is on his way up, and before he has a chance to realize his stock is increasing while hers is decreasing.
plentyoffishes 8y ago
I don't see how this is possible. Most 28 year old females get at least dozens of emails a day on dating sites, even the fat ones. It isn't until around 36 or 37 that they have to be more proactive and actually take responsibility for their dating life. This sounds like a made up story to me as it goes against reality.
BrunoOh 8y ago
But how many of those emails are from alpha men interested in offering commitment?
After all, that's what she wants.
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Everything I start to think I'm going crazy with how gender dynamics are, Redpill always finds a way to make sense of it all. Good shit OP, thank you.
MisterMojoMan 8y ago
That's the equivalent of me saying:
"There are going to be women on dating sites that want to date guys who are older and are more established than them. You do not want to date those women. Any woman who is looking to trade up is automatically disqualified for me, even if I am what she's looking for, because typically these women are absolutely shitty to date. They are chasing a leisure lifestyle ideal, and they aren't willing to date an equal. Who wants to date a woman like that? Not me, man."
Even though it's advice that someone could reasonably entertain, the fact of the matter is you would be way worse off if you followed it. Most women are naturally wired to look for these attributes. This doesn't mean that they are bad people, however. It's just part of their nature. You can hate it all you want, but that's not going to change anything. Blue pill men and many women share the same problem; they refuse to accept the nature of the opposite sex and wonder why they are still single and/or unhappy.
There's a reason this woman is 41 and single.
hebola4lyfe 8y ago
That reason is she is a walking garbage that everyone can't stand to be around . 90% of western women are like this .
saibot83 8y ago
My sister is 34 and single. It's very apparent this bothers her. She's pretty decent looking for her age but extremely abrasive personality wise. She's not a bad person but completely egotistic and clueless about other peoples wants and feelings. Her way or the highway all the way and why bother with someone like that if you're a guy. Bitches need to wake the fuck up.
ChanThunderwang 8y ago
Funny how she turns it around like she is the one with the standards who is in power...
Kiluan 8y ago
She also makes it sound like younger women aren't equals or are somehow lesser than their somewhat older counterparts.
XDVI 8y ago
"Just ignore those guys that aren't talking to you"
mygunuface 8y ago
Cognitive dissonance, you can't have something so you tell yourself you never wanted it anyways.
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Every single one starts calling me a piece of shit (untrustworthy, flaky, a cheater, etc) and finding the most public avenue possible to throw me under the bus when I dump them. Stupid fucking bitches dude, not even worth it. Next time I'll just pretend to fall in love with them.
foldpak111 8y ago
Women tend to do this a lot. They will act like the ball is always in their court because they know they can get away with it because who the fuck is going to believe you, little man? I'm a woman living in America, 2015. Better stay in line!
Uptonogood 8y ago
You could open a wine factory with all those sour grapes.
trpSenator 8y ago
This is quite literally the purest form of hamstering. It's such a disservice to women that they allow this narrative to continue.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
The fact that she is using a dating site to find men says all that I need to know about her.
robonubbins 8y ago
Or as if she is equal at all. Equal to what, exactly? You can't just claim you're an equal and have it be so.
unassumingusername7 8y ago
Well everyone's equal to everyone, duh. Except the men who won't date her are shitlords. And the men who will date her are creeps. But everyone's equal.
robonubbins 8y ago
I get the sarcasm, but she clearly does not believe in equality for all. She's saying she is better than the younger women, which shows the lack of equality as well as her own ego.
It essentially boils down to the delusion of her own value. She's better than the man who won't date her. She's better than the younger women... etc. The only person who is her equal is the fantasy man she wants and this OP who reminds her of herself.
The only time that delusions like this come up are either with mental illness or a sense of defensiveness. She's looking to defend her ego by hyping up this other woman and attempting to explain her superiority. As is usually said here, it's quite interesting to see she truly understands she is at a disadvantage but decides to be defensive instead of actually doing anything to better herself and change her position.
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nantucketghost 8y ago
Women hitting the wall is brutal. It doesn't get any better either. Eventually they just give up, they know they're broken and they act depressed and say sad pathetic things around you whilst looking for a pity party.
Watching them lie to themselves is laughable.
Seen it live as I got older. Late 20's, the ladies want to be pumping out babies. So in their late 20's and no hubby desperation sets in. They're expiration date is quickly approaching so they're looking to have a kid and quick. I watched a girl go through three guys, eventually get married, and divorced within a year as it was all about having a kid. She finally found a BB and had her two kids but not until she was almost 40.
Sad
slkrk 8y ago
lithe
adjective: lithe; comparative adjective: lither; superlative adjective: lithest; adjective: lithesome
(especially of a person's body) thin, supple, and graceful.
You're welcome.
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FrogTrainer 8y ago
Literally a basement dwelling, fedora hat wearer. Or in other words, the perfect boyfriend for a subscriber of TwoX
[deleted] 8y ago
funny how they just ignore what they would call a "double standard".
Guy is dating a girl 4 years younger than he is? he sucks. I'm dating a guy 5 years younger? age is just a number
also lol @
Kind of like chasing the idea that you're young, hot, and in-demand from all guys, including ones your age? That kind of a youthful and naive ideal?
lmao
tomdanksthethird 8y ago
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TYqtzmggnVw
This is what the average redditor looks like, these are the same chumps who try and call us out.
Heres another example
http://i.imgur.com/jxFwbe0.jpg
GRL_PM_ME_UR_FANTASY 8y ago
It's so revolting to see how far people can let themselves go. Like it's one thing if you're actively trying to make a change (or at the very least recognize that there's a problem). But if you're like 300 pounds and just chugging along with fast food and alcohol like most people in that pic it's just a disgusting waste of genetic potential imo.
Assassin1476 8y ago
I feel like Spartacus, Bringer of Rain after seeing that picture.
throwaway-aa2 8y ago
I feel very confident after watching that video.
gamefuck 8y ago
Those people are the low of the low though, they're like bottom 20% of humanity.
SPICY_BUTT_MILK 8y ago
This right here is why we always need to see the parties involved when there's any sort of relationship discussion. Mere descriptions of the situation are not enough. So many redditors I've seen (outside of gonewild) are fucking unremarkable at best, and more often than not some level of unfuckable manchild/neckbeard.
PanzerBatallion 8y ago
So where's the redpill group photo?
gamefuck 8y ago
Yea exactly. We're all reformed betas here. I know I'm sexy as fuck but most of the people here are probably still ugly.
HoundDogs 8y ago
I always find it promising when I read that men can be spooked out of marriage so easily. Gives me hope for the future when the problem reaches critical mass and not a single man will be dumb enough to sign away his life to that contract.
max_peenor 8y ago
" If I date a guy, I need to know if he is looking towards marriage."
Allow me to translate.
"If I date a guy, I need to make sure I lock him down before he realizes I'm a hardened carousel veteran and dumps be for a younger upgrade."
Thinkcali 8y ago
Men age like wine, women age like cheese
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adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Can you get a thing straight for me? Are you in favour of women receiving realistic advice on how to lock down a man? If yes, how is that view conciliated with being and anti-marriage man?
I'm trully puzzled here, please explain.
TheeMikeG 8y ago
lol hold on just a minute! having a hobby like MtG doesn't disqualify someone from being an alpha male. Sure it's not a physical hobby but interests are interests and that doesn't affect Game
justadavid 8y ago
I'm amused by the "strong, independent woman" phrase. Anyone who's married (and not divorced) knows that there is a whole bunch of give-and-take in a real marriage.
Anyone who marries a "strong, independent" woman is in for a world of hurt while the woman is busy being strong and independent.
If this sounds too much like the home life, it's time to check out those offshore bank accounts. There's a number of excellent reasons to use them, and one is sheer survival if/when you get divorce raped.
But if caught diverting some of your wealth overseas, there's always the "I was saving up for a really awesome present for you, thanks for destroying the surprise, I'll go buy you a snake instead."
Get "The Total Money Makeover" by Dave Ramsey and do everything he tells you. You'll come out of it debt free, financially clean, and you'll understand the awesome power of investments.
Thanks, --D
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Keninishna 8y ago
This is somewhat a Red pill fallacy while alphas will choose younger women and they are preferred and sought after older women are not completely excluded 28 isn't that old. I've known alphas to fuck women up to 50 although it's rare. The older the alpha also plays a role I know one that is 53 and fuck 23 year Olds so it's not straight exclusive by age but more of a case basis.
donkey_democrat 8y ago
Of course older women aren't completely excluded, but as the study just showed, men on average prefer girls in their early 20's.
__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
more correctly men identify "beauty" as peak fertility and the ability to carry a child to a live birth.
That is what we call and see and feel to be beautiful.
Will men fuck less than peak beauty? Of course. But they are drawn too peak fertility and child bearing ability.
Just as women are drawn to genes that will produce the most powerful children and the resources to get those children to adulthood. That what women call "attractive"
donkey_democrat 8y ago
Of course. Tell that to him though, not me.
Keninishna 8y ago
Yeah but my point is why care about a woman's age if she is sexy? Theredpill makes it seem like women past the wall are low sex market value which is mostly true but not 100%
donkey_democrat 8y ago
If she looks fine and you don't care about fertility then go for it. Youth plays into femininity though, as man would enjoy being seen as wise and thoughtful around her, like a mentor. In addition, younger women will on average look better. This becomes more apparent if you look at a 20 year old girl versus 30. Unless she takes care of herself, her looks will most likely diminish.
Last but not least, a 30 year old girl most likely has fucked around enough to where she isn't great relationship material. Sure a 20 year old girl could've really fucked around by 20, but on average 30 year old women had a higher amount of sexual partners.