Summary: A woman in the relationships subreddit was recently told by her husband that he got laid off. He then broke down crying in front of her. Instead of feeling supportive and sympathetic, she felt disgusted and had no desire to comfort him.
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The relationships subreddit can often be an unintentional source of RP truths. Here's a gem I just discovered.
My husband has been acting very strange the past 4 days. He's been going in and out every morning like he usually does, but his manner had been different. He'd been seeming much less happy, almost as if he had to force himself to smile and at times overcompensate by forcing an exaggerated happiness. Other than that he was becoming quiet and withdrawn, much slower in daily things, and also very distant. His sex drive had disappeared completely and he just seemed tired always.
Yesterday he sat me down and said he had to tell me something very important. I knew something was up so I was listening very carefully. He proceeded to explain to me how he had been made redundant at work and no longer had a job there. He described how it had it him like a stack of bricks out of nowhere and he wasn't expecting it. He said he felt hurt and disappointed in himself incredibly. At this point he started crying, telling me how he feels he has no strength or motivation to carry on, how he feels weak and useless because of all of this. He seemed very weak from the way he was talking.
Notice her use of language. She mentions weakness twice in as many sentences. It's almost as if she finds weakness unattractive...
While crying he put his head on my shoulder and hugged me for support, but I just gave him a half-hug back. I'm not sure why, I know I was meant to say something, I know I was meant to be empathetic, he's my husband. But I couldn't stand the situation, I just wanted to get away. I knew I should be supportive but it didnt' come naturally to me. I just felt so disgusted and put off by the whole thing, especially the way he was crying. I just couldn't find it in me to be supportive at all.
I have no idea what to do. Is it normal for a wife to feel this way? Is it normal that I feel no urge to comfort and show empathy to my husband during this difficult time for him, but instead I just feel grossed out, by myself and by him? I feel bad for even feeling this way.
He completely broke frame and started crying like a little beta bitch. Nothing kills a woman's attraction towards a man like pity. And if the relationship was based on him being able to provide for her, she no longer sees any benefit to being with him.
A little later on OP replied with this comment:
Usually I am empathetic and compassionate when others are distressed. I think this is the first time the other has been my husband and I've been the one to have to comfort him. I've never seen him cry before, ever.
A woman wants her man to be her rock. A source of strength and stability in hard times. Seeing him completely broken and defeated shattered the illusion of strength that her husband had so far managed to cultivate. Looking for sympathy when life is hard is something women do. Men look for solutions.
The hamster wheel has begun to spin. It won't be long before she either leaves him or finds a Chad to cheat with.
Lessions Learned:
- Maintain frame. Project strength and confidence even during times of turmoil.
- Never cry like a little bitch in front of a woman you're sleeping with. If you absolutely must pour your heart out to somebody, pick a trusted male friend or relative who knows how to keep his mouth shut.
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yummyluckycharms 8y ago
The people making excuses for this women are horrible.
This isnt someone who is 15 years old just navigating the dating world. This is an adult who has been in the dating world for a long time, knows the game and how to play it. She is only posting this because, surprise - surprise - she's looking for an ego stroke and validation of her decisions.
Yes, this guy is a beta bitch and made several key mistakes - showing emotion, expressing weakness and indecision, not knowing about Awalt and briffaults laws, and of course, getting married. But here's the thing - there hasnt been a man alive that wasnt blue pill at least once in their life. With any luck, this guy will find the red and be shown the light.
Lets remember the above, and have some sympathy for the guy. Just because women and society dont give a fuck about men, doesnt mean we should turn our collective back on him.
[deleted] 8y ago
"Either with this or on this."
So Spartan mothers and wives spoke to their sons and husbands handing them their shields.
And rightly so. Men must do what men do in order to be men. No sympathy can be expected from women.
I'd sooner get myself killed in a heist than break down crying in front of a woman.
R3v4mp3d 8y ago
This type of situation (no support from your woman) could be fixed if men would decide flip the tables on the dating scene.
In this exact situation it would be something this: he feels her coldness, he starts hating her for not returning his love and support, he gets his shit together and then dumps her and tells her the reason for dumping her (NO discussions on the matter). In 1 generation women would learn to be what men wanted if they ever wanted true commitment.
Sadly I know friends that stay with their girlfriend because "why bother? I havr something to fuck easily, I just have to take the tantrums she gives and it's ok".
relationshipdownvote 8y ago
I think it's strange that even people in this thread think there's something wrong with her, I mean I understand the idiots in relationships being stupid, but TRP, come on guys. Fucking AWALT. You would understand if the husband felt unattractive to the wife because she became a fat pig, this is the same thing. This is how women work. There's nothing wrong with this woman, pretty much all women in the same situation would feel this way, whether or not they would be honest about it like this woman is up for debate, but they will all feel this way. The guy fucked up by showing weakness. The lesson to learn here is to not show weakness. Be a man, suck it up, and deal with it.
dr_warlock 8y ago
"Love dont pay the bills" fits quite nicely.
SinisterSwindler 8y ago
Spot on. The wave of Blue pill thinkers was a heavy one. I learnt to suck it up and accept it a long time ago. When I see posts showing what women can do or what they do/say I just laugh or point out what a cunt she is, then laugh again. it's sad but enough sidebar and they will finally come around.
Ronin11A 8y ago
Never let them see you bleed.
KartagoPill 8y ago
Weakened hunter is dead hunter. Wife gatherer will go see next strong manly hunter.
ivkustov 8y ago
I don't like this idea. That you need to 'share weakness' only with close male friends.
This is enormous pressure to not allow yourself to feel weak. You'll pay for it with heart disease in the future.
So if you can't show occasional weakness with your wife - divorce the bitch.
If you can show weakness to your close male friend - then marry this fucking guy, I'm pretty serious.
This is about being happy and living long, this is about not pretending to be someone you can't be.
relationshipdownvote 8y ago
Fine, don't like it, that won't change reality.
Don't pretend to be the guy that doesn't cry. Make yourself become the guy that doesn't cry.
denart4 8y ago
Thats something a feminist would say.
relationshipdownvote 8y ago
No they would say something something something toxic masculinity and encourage you to be a feminine beta loser.
Purecorrupt 8y ago
Alright please tell me if i'm full of shit. Or maybe this is bad solipsism thinking on my part.
Showing weakness and wanting empathy is worst than having weakness and hiding it.
At least in my head I can imagine her finding him sad in a corner and being more willing to give empathy than what he did which was break in front of her.
kanji_sasahara 8y ago
Nothing wrong with showing weakness, just be judicious as to who you show it to. Parents, siblings, and best guy friends are fine, but never at work or in a relationship.
darthskids 8y ago
More or less. Don't expect any sympathy or empathy from a female you're involved with period. If you have any emotional problems don't take them to her.
saibot83 8y ago
I have made that mistake. Twice. They're not in my life anymore in any capacity. It was like... poof! Gone.
darthskids 8y ago
Oh yeah, I'm guilty as well. Good old trial and error. If the wife ever gets too clingy, it's a surefire way to get her off my back tho. Just tell her I'm so emotional and want to cry on her shoulder and bam. Finally get some piece and fucking quiet for a couple hours at least. Heh
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Becoming a fat pig is in your control... losing your job because of corporate downsizing is not in your control.
You...see that...or no?
relationshipdownvote 8y ago
She didn't hate him because he lost his job, she was disgusted by him because he broke down like a whiney little bitch. That was in his control. And you're probably going to point out some other way it's "not fair!", well life isn't fair and it's a lot tougher to be a man than a woman, if you don't like it you can do what Bruce Jenner did and cut your dick off.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Wh does anyone choose not to get a sex change then if it is the rational option?
relationshipdownvote 8y ago
some do, most others just decide to stick it out.
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
I was just about to say this.
If dudes here want to understand, they need to imagine a wife or girlfriend coming home one day literally a hundred pounds heavier than when she left that same morning. She then explains to you that this weight has "hit her like a ton of bricks" and that she wants comfort.
Picture that for a moment. Biologically, this is what is happening to the wife.
Those of you who are angry with her for that haven't fully accepted the pill yet.
80smadmaxonly 8y ago
Uh, if a wife came home fat, because someone kidnapped her and injected fat into her, a man would comfort her and help take steps to fix the problem. This man had no choice in the laying off. This lady is a psychopath.
sardinemanR 8y ago
That's not analogous.
You don't gradually lose your job, that happens instantly. And you've had that habit of going to work every day that entire time, and as OP states this is the very first time that men ever broke down.
If a woman is working out, eating correctly and exercising every day, she is not suddenly going to gain 100 lbs. That weight gain is gradual and most women after marriage do gain 20-30 lbs, yet you don't see men divorcing women for that. Instead women initiate 90% of divorces.
It is a mistake to compare men and women in terms of motivation, loyalty or nobility. Women are incapable of higher ideals, they can only operate selfishly and callously, with zero loyalty or gratitude.
A man will see the mother of his children and even if she's fat and old he's going to be happy with her. But a woman sees a man lose his income and is hitting a rough patch, and her first instinct is to attack him.
Just the way it is. Don't excuse women for it or praise them for that. It's like bringing a snake into your home from the freezing cold. After it warms up it's going to attack you, because it doesn't give a shit about you.
Frdl 8y ago
I agree completely but I don't think it's analogous. People become redundant at work; sometimes from no fault of their own. Becoming a land whale is a conscious decision aside from 'my genetics'. I appreciate the honesty of this woman, and this is something you wouldn't really see without the anonymity of the internet. This is how they are programmed. It's not her fault she's disgusted by someone who can no longer provide. Imagine we were still hunter gatherers and a man could no longer bring home mastodon steak because he's useless. You think her evolutionary programming would tell her to support and sympathize with him? Fuck no.
gymgoer205 8y ago
It's not so much that he lost his job but that he cried on her shoulder like a little bitch
[deleted] 8y ago
Yup. It's more about his frame.
If a guy doesn't bring home meat one night, big whoop, try again next night, get a new fucking job, go fishing instead of hunting or whatever.
But this dude just came to the wife like "honey I'll never be able to feed us or the kids again! What do we do?!" My reaction if I was a woman would be to run as well.
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AynRandFor200 8y ago
The reason doesn't matter. Whether it's her choices or his misfortune something happened to make the person unattractive to the opposite sex. Pretending anything except results matter is naive.
circlhat 8y ago
No one is angry or arguing that, men are holding her accountable for lying. She made vows for better or worst, no one forced her to make those vows, this is what she agreed to and this is what men are forced to believe or spend time homeless on the street for disagreeing.
recon_johnny 8y ago
You've got some growth here to do. You don't hold women accountable--you can't--they won't.
With your actions, frame, vision, and direction you show them the path. Not because they said something years ago in a church. But because you've shown them the way.
For wives who cheated, didn't they take their vows too?
DexterousRichard 8y ago
Well, you can if you have a culture that allows it. For example, Saudi Arabia.
circlhat 8y ago
Because girls magically respect alpha's? , you act as if girls don't have free will, of course they are going to do whats in their best interests, like most people, but you hold them accountable by leaving , not by saying, "Oh I lost frame better become more redpill so they respect me"
recon_johnny 8y ago
You didn't answer my question on those who took their vows but cheated anyway. She lied on those, right?
What this sub stands for, and more appropriately MRP, is leading women. Yes, sociopaths happen. It'll take too much effort than I want to give at the moment for me to detail all of the tenets here. Women need masculine direction/leadership. They thrive on it. Maintaining frame is but a small, but important, part of leadership; I've seen it as a married man--you can't take any time off, you always have to be on point, you always have to lead/maintain frame. Women lose respect if you don't, then shit like this happens.
Dravous 8y ago
you're talking about marriage 1.0, that's lone gone dude.
Zachar1a 8y ago
Did it ever truly exist, except through coercion?
redzorp 8y ago
Yeah, the more I think of it, the more I see that marriage 1.0 never truly existed as a natural thing in and of itself.
In order for marriage 1.0 to exist you essentially need and entire religious matrix surrounding society, "The man in the sky will send you to eternal flames if you disobey!" and an entire society programmed by said religion, who will shame you if you step out of line (adultery, divorce, etc.)
Remove the Religious Matrix and all you are left with is a brutal battle between male polygamy and female hypergamy - two tectonic plates eternally colliding with one another. And in that world, female hypergamy wins, since 80% of men supplicate to women.
sardinemanR 8y ago
Agreed, without social or religious conditioning marriage does not work. Especially for women. The current marriage 2.0 paradigm is ridiculously one-sided and is a blatant power position for women.
I don't understand why men get married. Unless you own your own business and are already independently wealthy and just don't care, it makes no sense. I suppose also if the woman vastly out earns you.
red_gerb 8y ago
kind of a shit post.
I have to assume it's a younger couple, because she's never seen this before. If the young man is starting out, most likely he's going to end up redundant and have to 'try again'. Even more likely, this man is possibly isolated, and doesn't have a bunch of buddies in town to nurse his ills. This woman wanted a provider and a Man, not a little boy. Everything else applies.
BlackHeart89 8y ago
Meh. Its not surprising to see this. You can't go from being seen as top dog for years then bust out crying like a bitch and expect people to be able to react positively to that all of a sudden. Especially if its a woman who has always seen you as a man. Even your son would look at you with disgust. Doesn't mean they'll turn on you... Unless you remain a bitch for too long.
Even a blue pills should know that women don't find a crying man to be sexy. That shit is a turn off. But what may be something new is that they suck at being comforting. This is something I have known since I was 16. Even when they try, they suck at it. But generally, I don't know anyone who reacts positively to a man crying.
Lesson learned: don't be a bitch. Ever. If you have to do it, be as manly about it as possible. I doubt she'll go fucking someone else over this though. He'll have to remain like this for a long period of time. Like several months. God forbid he's just a beta all around. Then yeah. He may have crossed the point of no return.
nolepointer 8y ago
One summer, I was taking a somewhat heavy courseload. My then-girlfriend and I were in the honeymoon phase, so we were spending a considerable amount of time together. Light arguments would sometimes ensue when one of us did not want to do so (she being the instigator, for the most part). I hate arguments, so I try to prevent them. I sat her down and told her that my courseload for the summer would likely lessen the time that we spend together, and that I wanted her to understand this so that no arguments would come about. I don't know why (perhaps because it was my first, true relationship), but I got emotional when I did this and my eyes were noticeably watery. She seemed understanding and we ended up having sex.
I learned a lot from that relationship, but I never dwelled much on that moment until my introduction to this sub. Looking back, I realized that it was around this time that my relationship began to deteriorate. Lesson fucking learned.
RPMan1 8y ago
Yes, this is normal female behavior. But while I can do nothing about it, and holding women accountable for their own behaviors, both on an individual level and on a general level in society, is a pointless futile waste of energy, it does not mean I have to like it.
Women are grimy as hell. Screw them. Things will improve when complete collapse happens and the reality that we are still in the jungle comes to the surface. That may or may not happen in our lifetime.
Until then, if you want a woman make sure she is a completely broken slave to you, or use hookers. And ideally avoid western women altogether. Third world nations and areas seem promising to a degree, but never forget AWALT.
ShanksNes 8y ago
Fuck all this and fuck frame. There's a limit to how much a man can perform. I can understand the need for married red pill aware men to rationalize it, but the fact remains that any form of LTR becomes a no go after you are unplugged. All women are reduced to whores.
You can have enjoyable relationships with women. And you will get your whiff of happiness from time to time. But ultimately, the pendulum will swing back and your sisyphean dream will come down crashing. The only thing that we can do, is to be resilient till we die.
As much as we try to sugarcoat it, that is the male condition and the burden that we all have to bear.
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
This thread is going to really separate those who have truly taken the pill from those who have not.
It's a very simple test.
If your first reaction toward this woman is anger, with the question "how could she do this" popping into your head, you have not internalized the pill.
If you read this and say, "of course she is disgusted," you have likely swallowed the pill.
It's that simple.
[deleted] 8y ago
For me it's more of a "why would you do that bro..."
Fap, beat a punching bag, give her some rough sex. Release the tension if you have to. Then do something to fix the problem. But never for fucks sake whine... That's what women do, not men.
Instant turn off. It's the equivalent of your girlfriend suddenly put on 100lb.
CopperFox3c 8y ago
As Jack Donovan points out in The Way of Men, this is part of the "gang mentality" of humans. It's part of our psyche, part of all primates psyche, buried deep from millions of years of evolution.
Men don't want a weak man as part of their gang, and women don't want to be attached to a weak man who might get thrown out of the gang. They might get thrown out too, or lose social standing. They might die, or their children might die. It's why women are drawn to men's status.
And that's why the women's response in the linked thread is perfectly understandable. It's not about empathy, or being a good person. Or being cold-hearted. It is about survival. The women's reaction is a visceral one, bred into her ancestors over millions of years. And those ancestors were the winners, the successful ones, the ones who passed on their genes.
It is neither good, nor bad, it simply is. If you ever wondered why TRP says sexual mating strategy is amoral, here's a concrete lesson in that.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Some of us look to have people in our lives that are capable of acting based on more than the most brutish, base level instincts.
Shocking, huh?
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
I try so hard to get this through to people, not just on the internet, but in life--like fucking daily.
I say things and they immediately think I'm making a moral pronouncement. Would someone (other than Luce Irigaray) say that Einstein was making a moral judgment when he described the relationship between matter, energy and the speed of light? Of course not. Then why make do we assume that a statement about biology is somehow a moral one?
RedAccount1330 8y ago
I would say it's because our whole lives we have been told that there is right and wrong and fair and unfair. Even now I catch myself thinking something "unfair" or how something is "wrong". And I have to remind myself there are no rules and the world is amoral.
systemshock869 8y ago
Because to some people it is their religion.
ivoryhawk 8y ago
Social programming is a motherfucker
destraht 8y ago
If a woman's value is lessoned by being attached to other men then she will have reason to invest into her momentarily broken man to get him back into shape. If its just a momentary blip then an emotional breakdown is effectively no different than being bed-ridden for several days from a virus. The issue is that he is signaling that he is potentially no longer a top earner and the woman realizes that she can get the resources from him and mankind in general by going down another path. So certainly his behavior isn't attractive but I'd argue that without the whole built up system as it is today she would absolutely invest energy into him to simply get things back to how they were before. Then two months later with a new job, suit and top hat he could easily be bringing home the resources and fucking like a champ. There just isn't much incentive for modern women to overcome their immediate and fleeting revulsion. In other words they don't support shit. They aren't good for much.
[edit] Now would I cry like that? I doubt it and I'd likely drop a chick if it was years of me being frayed like that just to stay afloat.
ProductivityMonster 8y ago
you definitely got it right...biology has a role (initial revulsion), but humans have a prefrontal cortex to overcome just our baser, older instincts. If the right social incentive structure was in place, the woman would have incentive to overcome her initial revulsion and help her man out rather than just leave for richer pastures (pun intended).
TheDon835 8y ago
Bullshit dude. I'm really tired of people being able to say "you haven't swallowed the pill yet" like it's an end all be all and makes you right. If somebody feels angry that's a natural reaction, they empathize with the man, and are distraught that the women can't, for one small period in her life help him, we all know that knot in his stomach and it's shitty knowing he was treated like shit. And fuck OP for calling the guy a beta bitch, I'm willing to bet OP's cried before. I'm willing to bet he's cried in front of some bitch. Women aren't made to be soulless fucks like they've become. It's the social conditioning, it's our society. I think it's bullshit that women cheat on their husbands and slut around and every fucking dope around here says, "ohhh yeahhh just the way she is bro. Just biology bro." You don't enable a child that's being a brat, "because it's in their nature" you fucking curb it and make them behave. It's such a shit cop-out to be like everybody here is being lately.
suloco 8y ago
How the hell does a comment like this get 250+ upvotes AND gold on TRP? I am disappointed.
This is exactly the feminist point of view. There's no difference in biology of men and women! It's the SOCIETY! Bullshit, mate. A woman counts on her husband to be a source of stability and security in her life. This man has a sudden breakdown and starts crying in front of her. She is wired to be put off by this, he's showing his weakness AND expects her to support and help him out of a situation he should have handled on his own. That's a flipped script to a woman. That's not what she signed up for.
I seriously cannot understand how you'd expect her to feel any differently. What the dude should have done: Go to a bar with a couple of guy friends, clear your head, get drunk, wake up the next day and START DEALING! Tell your wife what happened, no worries baby I am handling this, just a heads-up. That is how men do. Women feel sorry for themselves, go home, cry a river, get support. That is simply not an option for a man. And it should never be.
If a ship's captain or squad's sergeant has a breakdown, he is immediately replaced (ie the wife would find a suitable leader and provider). Plus it is a shock for his men to see someone they relied on with their life, suddenly unable to fill that role in a split second. And that is in a band of men, imagine women's reaction to this. The Captain/First Mate dynamic applies here without exception.
Pffff, society. Please, dude..
KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
You don't get mad at gravity when you fall down. Gravity just is. Why get mad at women for being what they are?
A woman will take the shape of her container.
full_package 8y ago
You cry to your parents, you cry to your bestest bro, you cry alone into a pillow at night. Then the next day you make decision to improve, clench your fists and follow up on that shit.
Even if a good woman supports you to a certain degree, crying to her won't win you points. Need an outlet, go punch a bag in a gym.
sardinemanR 8y ago
Dude just lost his job, and in this economy that's pretty much a death sentence, especially if you're locked into a house and have a lazy dependent at home that you have to support.
If he's on his own and was smart enough to save he'd be fine. Or he could live a very minimalist life and not seek material comforts or status. But he got married and that carries with it some signs of status, especially with modern entitled, demanding American women.
The reason I don't actually have sympathy is because he got married. What fucking idiot gets married? You have to know jobs can always be lost and AWALT. You can't expect any type of companionship or support out of women. So why marry? Women want to get married because it locks in financial support. Men get nothing out of marriage, so they're idiots for tying the knot.
destraht 8y ago
Women are perfectly capable of giving their men a tiny nudge upwards when they are at the bottom of their life every 5-10 years or so. Really though women must feel the potential burn of poverty to realize that "supporting" (in reality just head nodding and patting on the shoulder) their man to get him back into gear but when its easier to kick him out and then their disgust will override their fear and the man is then seen without value. That value can keep her attached until he can make himself more attractive on his own terms.
MadeSomewhereElse 8y ago
Swallowing the pill doesn't exclude a person from having mixed feelings. Her reaction of disgust should be anticipated, but we are also allowed to be put off by it.
full_package 8y ago
But if you follow RP, this situation should only be a theoretical one.
MadeSomewhereElse 8y ago
Disgust is brought on by his crying. If he didn't cry she wouldn't be disgusted. If she wasn't disgusted he/we wouldn't have anything to be put off by. Is that what you mean? This is dredging up bad memories of studying necessary and sufficient conditions for the LSAT
full_package 8y ago
Thanks for decrypting it. People tend not to turn their brains on for comments that deep into a post. I wanted to elaborate, but you did it perfectly.
[deleted] 8y ago
Your entire post is just what you want, your ideals. There's nothing to argue with because there are no facts, no base in reality.
Face it. Men who cry are looked down on for being weak, even if they have a perfectly good reason. You can go cry about it or throw another fit if you want, but that won't change anything. Men have to be strong. It's the way we're wired.
kellykebab 8y ago
We have instincts to hunt and kill and yet most of us never use them. We don't have instincts to analyze data or study in classrooms for 9 hours or drive cars. The half-assed way that many redpillers appeal to absolute biological origins, which even real scientists are probably not in consensus over, every time someone does something selfish, is often a rationalization for apathy and a failure to enforce standards.
Is it really all that unmasculine to demand good behavior from women?
someonelikegod 8y ago
He's not arguing that crying men are looked down upon. But a man crying doesn't make him a beta bitch.
ShazzMichaels 8y ago
Context. If you must cry on your own or with a trusted male friend as op said.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
This is right. Also, people are overlooking the fact that the beta in question didn't just cry-he started whining like a beta bitch. He fell apart. Even the bros would be disgusted, but, they could overlook it. Crying is natural, as has been pointed out. Crying indiscriminately, pouring your heart out to a bitch is a no-no, and a real grown-up should have learned that lesson by his age.
egoisenemy 8y ago
It's rough and I certainly do feel bad for the guy; but it has to be understood that in this context, it is a beta move for a man to cry in front of his wife and try to seek her comfort over his lost job.
cascadecombo 8y ago
No it is not.
This however, is.
icallmyselfmonster 8y ago
Yeah. You can cry if your patents or children die. But that's about as much as you can get away with.
cascadecombo 8y ago
I'm not going to list out every single "acceptable" reason to. It's a case by fucking case basis.
My buddies dog died of old age, he shed a tear. I fault him 0 for it.
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grass_cutter 8y ago
Lol. It's beta to not express the ups and downs of life cuz "i'm an alpha man-dog with a dated paleolithic idea of hyper-masculinity, and can't even wear pink without feeling homosexual."
Give it a rest. You don't need to hold your tears in cuz an internet message board told you too.
I'll let you on a secret -- I haven't cried much in my life ... not for a while ... but when I feel the urge, I do, and I still fuck left and right. So yeah, I do what I want.
mate96 8y ago
Nobody said you can't cry or wear pink, just don't do it in front of your wife. SHE will have some paleolithic urge to leave the weakened man as to stay would mean death in pre-historic times.
You do what you want. But if you want a wife, don't cry in front of her. And yes, AWALT.
grass_cutter 8y ago
Nah. The man who does what he wants without fear of reprisal is supreme. Politicking in public is another matter, but that's different than man's home and castle. I do what I want in my house because I am a god. Restraining myself out of fear of loss or societal expectations is laughably weak. I will cry when the urge may come to me in life, and then I expect a blowjob from my girl, lest she might lose me, and suffer to find a lesser man.
DannyDemotta 8y ago
We cannot let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good
Being "Perfect" 100% of the time is great, but ill bet you everything in my bank account i can look through your Reddit history and find at least 5-10 things to straight up tear you apart on: hypocrisy, contradictions, inconsistencies in your story, facts that are outright incorrect, and so on.
It doesnt make a man a beta-bitch to cry a single time, especially to his wife. To cry to multiple plates? Absolutely. To cry multiple times yearly to an LTR? Arguable. But its not exactly "losing frame" to have a 1-time, completely rational breakdown. This wasnt an overreaction, which is what typifies "losing frame"--going crazy over something that doesnt really matter.
Perspective around these parts has been solely missing lately. Nothing but a bunch of Newbooties and Fake-Orthodox'ers.
ShazzMichaels 8y ago
Exactly. You cry when your mother dies? I'm sure your wife will understand. You cry after losing a job and talk about how you lack motivation and other generally pussy beta emotions? Yes she will look down upon you after that. Understandably so
darkrood 8y ago
Crying is nothing wrong, but it's about how you will be perceived by the receiving listener?
-If the listener won't exploit this as your weakness, Great! However, most save this image in reserved memory space, and retell the situation to his/her "close friends." Before you know it, your whole heart pouring story become a sad story they shared over coffees.
Bottom line, if you do things the wrong way, one time offense is damaging enough.
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DannyDemotta 8y ago
Good for you and that dog ass whore of an LTR. Sounds like you plated a complete loser. Congratulations, i guess?
You black-and-white guys are not living the RP vision, no matter how vehemently you claim otherwise. Exceptions exist; men cry, men hit other men/women, shit happens. Its the habits and addictions and continuous perversions of logic and rationale that make us weak - not one-time isolated incidents, especially ones that are relatable.
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Alanalanson2 8y ago
And yet you feel the need to justify and rate yourself through her attractiveness. What an alpha you are.
An alpha does what he wants, not what he thinks will put him in a controlling stance.
Part of being alpha is being respectable by all others, not just women. But you have clearly missed that lesson.
I post again on this thread: where have all the real men gone? Because they aren't the dominant voice in this thread.
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Alanalanson2 8y ago
I actually agree with you. Too many people in this subreddit spout this rhetoric without thinking. They end up sounding like arrogant pricks. A real man Is confident, not arrogant.
The problem is that most women are shitty through nurture, not nature. But everyone in this reddit look at things superficially. Most the men are converts to trp not brought up like it. I was brought up Muslim and the converts more ardently believe the things that are dismissed by those who are raised Muslim. It is the same with trp.
Women can be compassionate but they rarely are because men do hold it in, naturally.
I have been viewing trp for over a year now, and half the things discussed here are down to shitty people. Not hypergamy.
It has become a hole full of recently post puberty men discovering what people are like and assigning it to an outside force. Mostly through a negative experience.
And yeah, there is no need to be calling the guy a beta bitch, all it shows is that you are scared of him being like that otherwise WHY WOULD YOU CARE???
It's like one big circle jerking frat fest now.
infernalsatan 8y ago
I think converts in general like to cherry pick what they want to believe, instead of a whole package. That's why their believes tend to be more skewed and extreme.
If your view doesn't fit into their particular belief, they will call you "infidel" / "not swallowed the pill".
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
You haven't swallowed the pill yet.
TheDon835 8y ago
That's you're response? I literally said I think it's bullshit when you say, "you haven't swallowed the pill yet" and you think it makes you right. If you're going to respond give me something tangible, don't bitch out and give me that shit response. Refute my points and make yourself right. Or don't say anything and I will assume you to be wrong.
deepfriedcocaine 8y ago
It's not a shit response; you can learn to laugh at things that used to anger you. As he replied, it's a matter of maintaining your emotional state.
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
Dude, literally all of TRP backs up what I said. Read the side bar. It is a very easy-to-see implication of hypergamy that a woman will be disgusted with this type of behavior.
The guy clearly can't maintain his own emotional state, why would you think he could "curb" someone else's nature?
Do you swat a dog for pissing on the carpet? Sure. But, why the fuck would you get angry at the dog for marking its territory, which is its nature?
sunwukong155 8y ago
Terrible example.
If my dog pisses on my carpet I am gonna be pissed.
full_package 8y ago
You shouldn't be pissed, you should be disappointed.
pdpbigbang 8y ago
Wrong. if your dog pisses on your carpet, your carpet will be pissed. You're just pissed by proxy.
Kenny_Twenty 8y ago
So? What's your point?
Again, so? That doesn't mean we can't understand that it's a horrible idea to cry to your woman.
That's some bullshit. You're misrepresenting the situation. There's nothing to suggest that she isn't willing to help. The dynamic in question is that women don't like weakness in men.
Yes, we know that feeling. I've cried before and I'll cry again. I won't cry in front of a woman though, if I can help it.
Ugh, Harden the fuck up.
Here's your real problem. You think that it's an injustice that women are repulsed by weakness in men. Your expectations are misguided. You have a fucked up understanding of what women should be like. You're in the wrong, not the rest of society.
You think it's bullshit that people don't behave in a way that benefits you. I don't like that women cheat. I don't want to be cheated on but guess what? I'm gonna cheat. I'm a hypocrite because I want to be the winner. I want to fuck as many women as I can, while having as many of those women remain loyal to only me.
That's pretty normal, honestly. Most people just don't like to acknowledge or accept that reality.
It's called acceptance. People accepting reality on reality's terms. That's maturity gleaned through intelligence applied to experience.
You're being immature and emotional. Fuck that.
That's a different thing altogether. Children are developing and are susceptible to guidance. Women are adults.
You're fucking hamstering like crazy. Gross.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Nothing you have said about women would lead a rational, objective observer to come the conclusion that they are "adults". They are functionally no different from children. So there is no reason that they cannot have their behavior curbed in the same manner.
Kenny_Twenty 8y ago
This is just a stupid notion. You've said something very stupid here. I just want you to understand that.
Now, the reason it is stupid is because children have developing brains. Depending on the age, they may not even have the capacity to grasp certain concepts or process information like an adult. That is not the case for women. Their brains are not still developing.
Another reason why what you said is fucking stupid is that legally, a child is under guardianship of an adult. Children do not have the same rights and privelages adults do. They must have certain decisions made for them and moreover, are legally unable to make some decisions at all. This is not the case for women.
I understand that you've heard the comparison between children and women in this sub. Unfortunately, you've failed to internalize it in the spirit it's been intended - which is to learn how to manipulate and predict women to get what we want.
What you cannot change, however, is their nature. Remember AWALT? That pretty much covers the thesis of this OP.
tyranus89 8y ago
Bunch of upvotes. Gilded post.
This sub is dead.
If you are angry when you see/hear/read the way women act, you have not internalized what's going on here. Emotional reactions are BP.
You are losing frame and allowing a woman to change your state through a fucking post on the internet.
You've admitted it yourself, you don't believe that women are naturally like this. That is a BP thought process.
Myrpl 8y ago
B-but someone's paid money to Reddit for it, it must be right! /s
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
Folks here are learning. That's why most of them are here, after all.
With the exception of people marketing their brand and pompous fucks who think they have things figured out (that's me, pompous /= wrong), most everyone else is hear to learn and rant.
With a little luck, they'll get there over time. I'm in my 30s; I bet the dude above is a teenager or in his 20s. He's got time.
FiveLions 8y ago
AGREED...Part of the reason why the RedPill is called the RedPill is because it is one fucking tough pill to swallow. Let's not say the subreddit is dead because people are transitioning...they should be encouraged. After all, we're not like the bitch wife in OP's post. We're better than that, let's not let emotion get in the way of teaching people on here...Subreddit is NOT dead..It's growing.
tyranus89 8y ago
I don't think what he's saying should be encouraged at all. All the upvotes and gilded posts are just showing that the only people agreeing with him are newcomers. It's not a good thing that this sub is growing as fast as it is, given that each user's upvote is worth as much as anyone else's. "This sub is not a democracy, never has been, never will be," say the mods.
vandaalen 8y ago
I am happy that Patrice O'Neal got cremated since there would have been a level 8 earthquake near his grave site from him turning in his grave, after he heard about that load of bullshit you are spewing around.
There is nothing wrong with engaging in holy anger over all the shit bitches pull off. Whenever you think you have seen it all, there comes one who's able to top it all.
scissor_me_timbers00 8y ago
Look, if the woman was a cunt bitch to him openly, that would be disgusing behavior from her. All she talked about was her feelings on the matter, which she can't be faulted for. If her attraction is nuked and she can no longer see him as her mate, she needs to walk away from the relationship. Whether she has a soul or not depends on if she holds in her disgust and doesnt shit on him on her way out the door but leaves him with supporting words, even tho she feels disgust deep down.
tyranus89 8y ago
No.
You cannot simultaneously believe that women are only capable of acting in accordance to one rationale, and then get angry when their actions align as such.
Entirely anti-stoic.
Might as well hate a tree for being green.
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Smooovies 8y ago
But to be fair to /u/tyranus89, Patrice was clearly in the anger phase.
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RationalGaze_ 8y ago
I couldn't agree with you more.
idontknowwhyidoit123 8y ago
I've been married for 23yrs and can count on he hand the times I've seen my husband cry. Let me tell you, not even once have I thought he was weak. He is the strongest, most protective, loyal person I know. He spent years in MMA, hunts, shoots, plays metal guitar, and builds shit. He's big and strong and makes me feel safer than I ever did as a child. His tears BREAK MY HEART.
Why is it that folks are bashing the man for having feelings that aren't "manly" but not the woman for not being nurturing like we're suppose to be?
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
No one is bashing a man for having feelings. It's his inability to control them that is the issue. Of course we are all human, and each has a breaking point.
Nevertheless, when a man displays weakness as a leader, it casts doubt as to his capability to lead. So, why should we be surprised that a woman would naturally react negatively to such a display, however justified it may be?
A woman's biology will compel her to nurture her children, not her husband. This is only natural.
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I think nobody's bashing the woman for not being nurturing because so few women are nurturing -- to men.
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I agree here. While there is a big different between a strong, confident man crying when necessary & an overly sensitive man who cries quite often unnecessarily Its just a fact that men do also have emotions and even the tallest, buffest most stoic men have and DO cry.
It's simply a fantasy to project an image of a "perfect alpha" going through life and never crying, ever. That simply won't happen unless you are a true sociopath. But sociopaths are delusional & dangerous and are definitely a very small exception to the rule.
kanji_sasahara 8y ago
It isn't about if you should cry, because it is necessary to do it from time to time, but who you do the crying in front of. It is acceptable to do so with parents, siblings, your best guy friends, but never in an environment where respect is required.
Red_Pill_Theory 8y ago
Completely agree with this point.
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With all suffering and injustice in this world it is undignified to cry about losing your job. I bet most people in the younger generations have lost their job once or twice. So yeah, he was crying like a bitch.
NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago
There's a difference between recognizing that women are predisposed to being soulless cunts, and enabling them to do it.
Nobody on here is making excuses for her behavior. We are simply saying that if you don't recognize that this behavior is deeply ingrained in women's psychology from the start (and likely in their unchangeable biology), you'll someday end up just like the man in the story: opening up emotionally to your wife only to discover that she is disgusted by it.
Righteous indignation at the way female biology and psychology works doesn't change the way that it works. Realizing this is necessary in order to get over the anger phase of accepting the discoveries of TRP.
sunwukong155 8y ago
You are correct. Men have, as a whole, stopped applying consequences to women who behave badly.
Single mothers are brave. False accusers are victims. Sluts are free spirits. Cheaters are just following their heart.
whatsazipper 8y ago
I could agree with your post if it weren't in this thread. You've picked one of the worst cases to argue against "you haven't swallowed the pill yet".
CopperFox3c 8y ago
That sounds like something a SJW would say. Just like telling men they should be attracted to fatties, even though they fucking biologically aren't. Bullshit.
Look brother, you don't change anyone's behavior by forcing them to behave the way you think they should. You do it by incentivizing them. You lead, they follow. We all have moments of weakness, but going around crying like you're a victim doesn't accomplish anything. And it certainly doesn't make women attracted to you. That's TRP 101.
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
How the fuck is this comment sitting in negative karma territory? Come on, TRP.
CopperFox3c 8y ago
Given the gilding and upvote/downvotes on this part of the thread, I'm wondering if there's some brigading going on ... but whatever.
I just made this comment to support your original one. Some of the young pups on here don't understand the subtle distinction between accepting bad behavior versus accepting reality and doing the best you can with it. Two fundamentally different things.
scrantonic1ty 8y ago
Oh, sweet summer child.
There's a reason you're so angry, it's because you think there's a chance of changing human nature, if only the sheeple would wake up and initiate a mass social engineering project to make the world the way you want it to be.
Just let go, you can't save the world, brave soldier. People are shitty, this is natural, this is known.
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scrantonic1ty 8y ago
Great contribution, you've really made me stop and think about the choices I have made in my life.
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The_TRP_Account 8y ago
I've learned that men crying makes a woman disgusted and a man saying "Oh, sweet summer child" makes men disgusted.
scrantonic1ty 8y ago
Interesting analysis. I think we're really being productive here.
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scrantonic1ty 8y ago
That I'm "clearly a loser" judging from the way I type.
Thaweed 8y ago
Thanks mate, you are right.
My first thought was "what a bitch" like i was suprised a women wo do such a thing.
I have ways to go, but i guess i'm on the best road.
cascadecombo 8y ago
You're answers are horrible. You put the focus on the chick, why?
Upon reading this my thoughts were of the man. He took something and felt weak and reached out the closest person.
It is perfectly understandable to be upset, crying is a part of life, not the most common for men but it happens. He needed to get that shit out of his system and then begin working out how he was going to get back on his feet.
Like some others are saying, if all you care about is "swallowing the pill" you probably haven't even been able to start your own path on being a better person yet.
1-800-777-GOLD 8y ago
I lived this exact situation. Our relationship changed, abruptly, during that moment. TRP was easy to swallow after seeing first hand she didn't want to be my mommy. I treat women sometimes from the persona of an emotionless asshole now, simply for lack of care to put forth effort after learning the true nature of women. After so many years of blue pill mind control, it still sometimes surprises me that they keep calling back, even after saying what "appears" to disgust them. Yet nothing could be further from the truth.
sothavok 8y ago
Yup, the moment i cried in front of my gf she lost all respect for me and our sex life was non-existent after that day. I can't think of a much faster way to make her leave.
Trust me when i say they have no good advice for you. Leave that up to a fellow man you admire.
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ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
How do you resist the urge to hate-slam your cock into her throat for a few hours at least once?
americanmook 8y ago
Same shit for me. It took me three days to figure out, but Jesus did it almost kill me.
Knowing that they're really never gonna be your partner and just want to leech.
I don't think I'll ever get over it.
Cloudkidd 8y ago
Then you aren't fully embracing what it means to be a man. We take what we want in this sense. Getting over the fact that you can't make a woman into your mother, build a plan and have a path. Stay true to that path, and I promise you, the women will come flocking towards you. Have one, or have 10 along the way... but you make the choice, not them.
mryddlin 8y ago
That's been the hardest for me on a personal level to get over, the idea that partner will always be a dependant and I'll have to force them to contribute.
I completely understand why the Mason recuirt new members they way they do now, everyone that shows up wants to be there and puts the effort in.
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The point will come when you wonder why you're going to all that trouble. You may not have a good answer.
as_above_so_below 8y ago
I've cried in front of my wife, she cuddled me then started giving me head and we fucked. This all confuses me.
infernalsatan 8y ago
Let's take a look at another example.
When a plane crashed, all news outlet keep talking about it for days, scaring their viewers into thinking flying is not safe. But will they mention how many flights have landed safely everyday around the world? Bad things attract attention, drives people's emotions, and make good headlines/posts.
On the other hand, people learn from each crash and make the future flights safer.
My point is: learn the lesson, improve yourself, and move on. Don't linger on a particular event or subject. Don't assume the same thing will happen to you, but at the same time be prepared and minimize the chance.
Kharn0 8y ago
Context? It's not that this guy cried, it's that he bawled like a baby after losing his provider status and hid it for a while.
Did he tell her that he was feeling down because he lost his job? Did he ask for help finding a new one? Or get angry at the reason he was laid off? No. He completely lost any semblance of frame and repulsed her.
I've done it before. Had an emotional talk with a gf, held frame, said things like "the worst part was knowing no one was on my side" and "yeah, it sucked I guess" with a tear or two running down my face. But nothing in my voice or body language gave that away. It was dark and we were looking at the starts. Only when I turned to her did she know I had tears. She cried and we grew closer.
Many months later I had to tell her something very shameful and important. Lost all frame, sobbed and even bawled for a little bit and was all-in-all totally pathetic. This time her support was very muted and a month later she jumped on another guy.
Why do women have so many pictures in the wall and tables? Because bitches love frames.
330d 8y ago
Just another cherry picked shitty behaviour example passed off as universal law, nothing new for this sub.
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marlybarrow 8y ago
Maybe the person you replied to is the exception?
DaphneDK 8y ago
I'd be disgusted if a friend or some such thing stared sobbing over a lost job. I really can't stand men crying any more than women can. Especially not over trivial things like losing a job. It's not like he discovered his three children had cancer or something.
sardinemanR 8y ago
My reaction is I don't understand why men still get married. I suppose it's one of perplexity.
ProductivityMonster 8y ago
because like it or not, most men need a long-term relationship with a woman at some point in their life and a marriage is a way to "make it official". I don't believe it's the best way to go about it (involving the courts in a relationship), but I can at least understand why people do it.
sunwukong155 8y ago
You don't have to like it, and it can make you angry, but you have to accept it, understand it, and use it to your advantage.
Your woman is not there to help you when you are down. She is your support, but only when you are getting shit done, moving forward and leading her. She will not be a leader, you must be the leader or she will not follow you or stay with you.
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She can become a leader, albeit a poor one, but she will hate it and resent you for not doing your job.
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As soon as I opened this thread I thought to myself how can I verbalize what you perfectly stated.
"of course she was disgusted" was my initial thought. My second was there are more of these simple truths that I have yet to internalize because I haven't experienced myself first hand
Mitchell78 8y ago
Nah, this shows that gyow is the only option because who in his right mind can be ok with being in a relationship with someone like this.
JT91733 8y ago
"That's science and science is one cold-hearted bitch with a 14-inch strap-on"
evergonitenitenigga 8y ago
6 years ago my grandpa fell ill and passed away. we were all home when my dad got the phone call form his sister to tell him the bad news. my dad lost it. like i mean bawling, i have never seen him cry like that, or even cry at all, my dad is redpillish, the only thing messing him is he can't control his emotions i.e. anger and frustration. at least a couple of times i have called him out on it whenever he's unnecessarily mad and told him 'why are you so emotional about this? where is this coming from' to which he typically responds with more yelling and more non-sense. anyways back to the story, while my dad was crying after hearing the bad news (picture lead actor in a chick flick that lost their soulmate - complete beta bitch bawlin'), my mom all of a sudden had 'upset stomach' and pretty much went to their bathroom upstairs, for like a long time. during that time i was like 'that's odd, really? she couldn't at least be there and console his husband and ignore whatever stomach pain she's having?'. she came back down after my dad stopped crying and chilled out (perfect 'timing'). - reading the post reminded me so much about this, and i now fully understand why my mom couldn't stay there and support my dad, its not that she doesn't want to, its because she couldn't stand seeing my father behave like that. don't get me wrong, i love my dad and felt sad and sorry for him, but even then in my head i was like, yoo..too much crying and wailing man..relax.. i remember getting him a glass of water and him struggling and shaking with BOTH hands to put the damn thing on his lips to take a sip. can't help but think 'you serious right now? is this an act? just drink the damn water dad' but then again, i've never been in an emotional pain where i couldn't function properly physically - even a basic drinking movement, so there's that.
infernalsatan 8y ago
Well, one day your dad will pass away too.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
I think that he knows that.
Mykeru 8y ago
If you feel qualified to dictate who has and had not swallowed the red pill, you are an over-compensating beta bitch who is trying like hell to hide his soft and squishy blue core by passing judgement on others at the slightest pretext.
In which case you should give up, embrace your inner girl and buy yourself that nice stocking and garter set you've had your eyes on and start hanging out in those bars where The Kink's "Lola" isn't just a song, it's an anthem.
Just saying.
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
You are super hard, bro. Like, you are so fucking hardcore that your body must process excess carbon from food into diamonds.
So, the real question is: do you literally shit diamonds, bro?
Mykeru 8y ago
What an obvious fetishistic ploy to pick through some other dude's shit
But, that's what you do, isn't it?
DRMMR76 8y ago
Bullshit. One can have taken the pill and understand that men are supposed to be the rock and know that crying is not what you should do in front of a woman, AND be angry that things are this way.
Reality is A. What reality should be is B. As long as you act in full knowledge of reality being A and understand that's the way things are, you can still be free to be angered that things are not the way they should be.
And let's get off the "it's just biology" high-horse that so many TRP members seem to be on. Caving another man's skull in to take his food is biology too. But we have laws and civilization to prevent that from happening. We had laws and civilization that prevented women from acting out on their hypergamous nature once too. There's nothing wrong with living and acting with the way things are right now but still wishing that they might someday be remade into the way things once were and should be again.
squirrelcuisine 8y ago
hahahah
nice assessment..
Im 45 married 20 years with two kids.. sometimes you guys make me feel like Im not redpill because.. you know Im married and fucking rocking it.
but yea.. this was my first thought.
Man up bitch.. times when shit gets rough is when you need to make a plan and fucking destroy stuff like your life depends on it.
BECAUSE it does..
and in my case 4 people depend on me.. so get moving.
lol..
guess im redpill as hell.
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I'm not mad at her for being disgusted. I'm mad at her for touting what a good person she is and how her man can cry in front of her all the time and genuinely think that's what she wants.
Oh I'm attracted to things that make me a goooddd person!! (until I get them)
evilquesadilla 8y ago
Yeah, it's just women logic. It's never her fault, it's because he's somehow inadequate.
Robalypse 8y ago
So true. My reaction to reading this today was, "Oh, gross man. What the hell was he thinking?" A couple of years ago I would have just thought she was a heartless sociopath.
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Lyradex 8y ago
I think I'm finally completely there. Interesting.
I did cringe as I started to read it, because I remembered once making that mistake in my BP days. Of actually unloading all my stress, and (shudder) crying to an ex.
It wasn't long before she was banging a guy at work. For quite a while when that memory came through my head, I felt anger at her.
Now I just mentally wince at making such a colossal mistake with a woman.
Sherlock--Holmes 8y ago
Being honest with your emotions. Hollywood teaches us that as an important skill.
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Godspeed311 8y ago
Just fyi, Chad is a sociopath.
obama_lurves_nsa 8y ago
hahahahaha. same here. high fives man.
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On point. True RedPillers see adversity as an opportunity to exhibit grace under pressure, determination and resourcefulness in tough circumstances. Wifey would have respected hubby if he broke the bad news to her but held frame, remained calm, reassuring and exuded confidence that he would overcome this obstacle.
WilliamGrand 8y ago
The more I swallow the pill the more I don't want anything to do with women.
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sniff "I don't know what to do... oh godfather I just don't know what to do..."
"YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN! WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU?!"
That part always stuck with me.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
Vito Corleone was alpha as fuck.
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thefisherman1961 8y ago
Whenever I see women claiming how they like seeing men cry and encourage it, of course they are only talking about beta males. Betas are expected to act like betas, and that includes crying in front of them. The fact that it dries her up like the Saraha desert and almost completely kills any sexual attraction she has towards him is irrelevant, because his function is not to be sexually attractive - it's to be a provider.
Encouraging men to cry is a huge collective shit test because it makes it easier for them to tell the difference between alphas and betas. What they won't tell you is that they don't want to see alphas crying, ever.
exit_sandman 8y ago
Reminds me of the ex of a friend of mine (dissatisfied because he wasn't a high earner and didn't really conform to her idea of how she envisioned her partner to be) who had the habit of picking fights with him, looking for reasons to be pissed off, threatened to leave him and threw tantrums of a regular basis to such a degree it started to wear on his resolve (bonus points for him being unable to go to bed with unresolved quarrels, which basically meant that he always gave in against his better judgment). When he broke down and cried, her comment was "it's so pathetic when you cry".
Well, when he broke up with her because she had someone else in reach, she suddenly was all tears and desperation and reiterated how much she loved him and that she never wanted to change him. Yeah, sure. Cunt.
KartagoPill 8y ago
He showed her that he can go onto pedestal too. No commitment for you. Who is pathetic now?
juliusstreicher 8y ago
I do so dearly hope that he said "It's so pathetic when you cry."
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
It's natural for people to think, "This is his wife. He's been her husband, stood by her, done for her, sacrificed for her, supported her for years. It's the first time he's ever had a hardship this bad, and the first time she's ever seen him cry. Can't she cut him a little slack and be there for him, after all he's done for her?"
But she can't. Because all that shit he's done for her, he already did. She already has it. She already benefited from it. She spent the money, ate the food, flushed the toilet. That's old news. You can't buy your woman's respect with food she already ate, shit, and flushed.
Today's news is that her man revealed to her that he doesn't have his shit together, her future is uncertain, now she's sad and worried, and it's her husband's fault that she feels that way. And when she divorces him, he's going to think it's because she's worried about money and his job status. But really, it will be because he makes her feel sad and worried. Because he's a weak man who can't handle adversity, doesn't have his shit together, and looked to her for validation and leadership in hard times.
Snivellious 8y ago
Briffault's Law doesn't come up as often as a lot of other sidebar ideas, but when it does it's bulletproof. Years of employment and support aren't meaningless, but they only matter in terms of what they imply about his future prospects.
Since he was blindsided by the layoff, and is now collapsing and uncertain about his future, she has to assume that those past events are not strong predictors of the future. I mean, he cried for the first time, so clearly everything she knows about him is suspect.
The third corollary in the Briffault post is what's at work here - he didn't just sabotage his current status, he completely destroyed her expectation of deriving future benefit from him. Therefore he's nothing.
UrsusG 8y ago
At the risk of sounding smarmy: this should be the top post in the thread.
And this is a great quote to remember.
IllimitableMan 8y ago
Basically, as a man, you never get a break. Ever. Hypergamy is ruthless in its cruel efficiency.
Crying/sharing your pain is for women and children. Or to be kept among trustworthy male friends over whiskey.
scrantonic1ty 8y ago
I'm lucky enough to have a father I can open up to in the knowledge that I will be heard and understood at the very least. Not everyone has that luxury, and obviously it wont last forever.
balalasaurus 8y ago
Meh I personally never let anyone see my weakness. Asking for help is one thing but actual weakness should never be demonstrated IMO. Weakness is leverage and in games of power such as life, giving up said leverage can prove fatal.
GrandmasterHurricane 8y ago
Which is why there is no point in relationships. Nobody can be a robot 24/7 acting like you don't have feelings.
We compare ourselves to the men of yesterday but we fail to realize that the circumstances are very different for us. The men of yesterday faced a very different life than we did, they got hardened early by life and had more physical jobs etc. They were less emotional becausr of life circumstances. A kid in Africa working in a mine is going to grow up into a very harder man than a kid growing up here in the US. His properties well be very different.
ivkustov 8y ago
"crying/sharing your pain is for women and children"
NO. It's two way street. If you gal doesn't provide you the comfort and become repulsed when you share pain - do the same. Don't let the bitch bitching.
She starts to whine and cry - get up and leave immediately. Rules are for everyone. Or they're not rules.
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In my experience the only time it's acceptable for a man to cry is when his child dies and only because the mother is so distort she is not likely to notice the loss of his frame. If it's her step kid don't expect an ounce of sympathy.
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sardinemanR 8y ago
That's easy to say at 25. Wait until you're in your 40s and 50s and repeat that.
Man is not a machine. You might want to deny it, but you cut a man and he bleeds. Abuse has and isolation have long term effects, mental and physiological.
This type of society the feminists and white knights built, it can not last and will not last.
Rome didn't fall because men "lost frame", it fell because men said "Fuck it, I'm getting nothing out of this, let it fall."
Redasshole 8y ago
Wait until the motherfucking sex robots come along and see females lose ALL power. A day will come when society witness how much harm it has done to it's men. But it won't realize until it's too late. I don't believe in men taking what they want by force. TV, porn, video games took away the possibility of rebellion. Men will either drop out completely from the system or be broken beyond rescue.
TheImprovingMan 8y ago
Men were ALWAYS the providers, we were ALWAYS the ones with the expectation of protecting those around us and doing the real work to sustain things. As easy as it is to blame "Feminists" and "society", it's the natural lot of being a man. Whining like a bitch about it won't help. Being a man comes with certain expectations, and we don't get to have it both ways and act like we get to shrug them off.
sardinemanR 8y ago
And that role came with certain returns: namely women are to obey men, and if there is a divorce the children go to the man and the woman gets nothing.
This is how society functioned. You don't take away the rewards and leave only the burdens.
Simply put, 100 years ago a woman wouldn't dare even think of talking shit to a man. A woman wouldn't dare think she is "equal" in the workplace or anywhere else. Her place was at home, man's place was outside the home.
Don't try to AMOG me on the internet btw you little bitch. It doesn't make you sound tough, it makes you look like a fucking nerd.
TheImprovingMan 8y ago
Fine, but I don't believe in living for other people. The way I have seen myself, for as long as I can remember, is the guy who gets shit done. Is the guy who doesn't focus on the rewards, because the work is what matters. Because when I go to bed at night, I'm only proud of myself when I know I've put the work in. And that's the way I've viewed being a man. As someone who remains stoic in the face of all the nonsense. The rewards MATTER to me, sure, but the value of it is independent of them.
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darkrood 8y ago
Because once you allow "showing emotions" become a regular things, then it become a "bitch fest"
A: You know....My wife (blah blah blah, talking about wifi being controlling in house) B: Yea (blah blah bitching about gf/ltr being difficult to deal with) A/B: Yea...Women (takes a sip of whiskey)
This encourages inaction on the people being affected. Because once you let those feelings out, you are no longer angry, stressed, and felt a slight sense of belonging of "women being this way is acceptable."
Result: Bunch of men not lifting a finger to change the situation for the better.
Don't encourage whining. People have a brains, there are books, they can figure out 100% of people problem by themselves. It's called being independent.
If you really need professional help and have money to burn, talk to a shrink.
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I think that's why IllimitableMan specified "trustworthy" male friends. I do believe that you can reach a place of trust and respect with other men that they will legitimately care about your hardships within reason. With women, not a chance, ever. With men you just met and are passing through your life of course not.
IllimitableMan 8y ago
Right. Your inner circle should give fucks. If there's someone in your inner circle who doesn't give fucks, you need to kick 'em out. The inner circle is an exclusive club, giving fucks is a requisite for being a member.
redzorp 8y ago
Well said.
An inner circle can be fairly small but still be effective. I only have two in my innermost circle - my brother and another male friend. That's it. But I know if I am ever down in the dumps, I can pour my heart out to these two and get actionable advice and support.
Of course even with your inner circle, you don't want to be bitching and moaning on a monthly basis or anything. Pouring your heart out is a 'break glass in case of emergency' maneuver. Maybe once or twice a lifetime for significant life pivot points. Other than that, I still get advice/support from these two but I always frame it through strength. For e.g. "I just lost my job but here are two business ideas I am thinking of starting. What do you guys think?"
morsX 8y ago
Perfect advice. Always display resilience and motivation to succeed even when you fail. I play MTG at a competitive level and never will I show frustration or anger after losing to an opponent. I flip the failure around and try to engage my opponent on what they think I might have done differently. No one likes being in the presence of pure negativity.
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tio1w 8y ago
That's actually a very good record. Quite impressive if it's actually true.
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Smooovies 8y ago
It's a delicate balance though. How can once effectively get someone to work toward another's benefit without the beneficiary being very good at deception? Most people can't separate their emotions from their wants, so engaging with a person who has been using in the past ends up being more stressful than useful.
RedKnight1990 8y ago
There needs to be a standard for who you confide in. I notice a trend with the younger guy who just need someone, anyone to vent to. You have to be choosy because there are a lot of fartknockers out there.
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Every married or soon-to-be-married man... read the above. Repeatedly. Don't doubt a word of it for one fucking second.
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Sometimes, I feel like intentionally "breaking down" to test my women, just to see how loyal she is. I know I shouldn't expect her to be, but I still value loyalty as a man. If she doesn't stand by me, I would have no reservations completely cutting her off with no regret whatsoever.
yaardi 8y ago
What have you done for me LATELY?
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Rooi_Aap 8y ago
Eddie Murphy Raw should be in the sidebar. Alongside Patrice O'Neal and Bill Burr.
Addictedtoiron 8y ago
Don't forget Chris Rock.
very related https://youtu.be/3dGhsRsHXP8
RationalGaze_ 8y ago
Because he's a weak man and doesn't have his shit together? What the fuck he got laid off dude are you fucking retarded? That doesn't mean he's weak.
Whisper 8y ago
A man defines a "strong" man as "a tough man who is difficult to break".
A woman's libido defines a "strong" man as "a man who is unbreakable".
Women do not think proportionally or realistically about male toughness, because proportional and realistic thinking are done with the conscious forebrain. Women do not decide based on rational thinking who to be attracted to. It's an instinctive response.
The lower brain does not care if you are crying because your child has stage 4 bone cancer. It is not capable of thinking about cause and effect, or noticing patterns. It is not set up to do that. It only sees you crying.
A woman who sees you cry when facing adversity can think about what you are facing, and calculate. But the part of her that does that is not the part of her that is connected to her libido or her feelings of love, affection, or respect.
A woman can stay attracted to you after under only a few circumstances. Examples include dust under your contact lens, cutting onions, just caught the winning touchdown in the superbowl, and so on. If she sees you cry from fear or sadness, that will severely damage her respect for you. And female love is 90% respect.
Why is this? Because the evolutionary role of tears is to ask for help from other humans. Women are attracted to a man who is help, not a man who asks for it.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Since when are women attracted to men who are help?... Supposedly, according to TRP, men who help women = beta bitches, you know those fabled "nice guys".
Seems like you are talking out your ass.
IllimitableMan 8y ago
He means a man who has his shit together is attractive and one who hasn't, isn't. Are you really that dense? Come on man.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
So you still have to give women shit to get them to fuck you?
NYCPowerCouple 8y ago
Holy hell you guys, we found a ultra-affa who loopholed the Red Pill!!!!!!!
....except you didn't, because you were too stupid to understand that a Man who is in a position to truly help is one likely with better resources, and likely better wits, social status, i.e., attractive.
While someone asking for help is at their mercy, i.e., unattractive.
What you speak of is chodes appeasing to women just because 1. they have a vagina and 2. they want to desperately stick their lil dicks in them. That is completely different from being of great help/value to someone, possibly a brother, a close friend, etc.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
So women fuck their brothers now?...
ProductivityMonster 8y ago
There's little nuance in your explanation.
no shit it's not attractive, but that is no fucking excuse for a woman (or anyone) to behave like that. If she can't see past that time I truly cried for a legitimate reason and thinks of me as a permanently weak man, she's a heartless asshole. None of this AWALT excuses this behavior. All humans have a prefrontal cortext to control their baser instincts. If a woman cannot, I rightfully dump her for being a shitty human being. Evolution is not determinant.
However, I do understand the redpill principal that if you cry in front of her often, she will rightfully see you as weak and leave you.
SerKevanLannister 8y ago
I agree with you. This woman was just a piece of shit -- when faced with a truly extraodinary situation -- let us say a cancer diagnosis or a devastating job loss -- even the toughest guys might show a flash of emotion. I am having trouble understanding the post quoted -- all of this happened in FOUR days? That makes zero fucking sense to me. Some level of empathy is very fucking basic to the human psyche, and I think her crap about his sex drive being lower etc and then total lack of empathy over his "weak" confession seems rather constructed to me, post facto excuse-making for being a shitty person.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
It's a shit post.
Yeah, you shouldn't be the type of person that cries because your latte didn't have enough foam, but if you're with a woman that leaves you because you lost a job you spent a decade of your life working in, then she was a shit person.
Believe it or not, women, as fucked up as they are, are still capable of being better than that.
If they aren't, then rationally all heterosexual males should terminate themselves immediately, as it would be better to be dead than forced into caring about beings of such a putrid nature.
Redasshole 8y ago
No. She was just a woman. No woman will stays with a man she chose because she saw a great provider in him if he gets broke. That makes the entire goal of the relationship useless from the woman's point of view: he does not have what she wants anymore.
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MachiavellianRed 8y ago
I don't really like the line this post is toeing, but I'm going to let it stand. To anybody reading this, remember that the next time you whine about how we moderate/deal with scrutiny in this community.
Redasshole 8y ago
Not at all, this is pure RP content, I can assure you that (I'm not an authority but Whisper is). If you are not happy with that or find it too extreme, you can leave.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Sadly...
As much as I hate religion, I guess the fuckers were trying their best to develop those sophisticated tools heh.
ProductivityMonster 8y ago
yea I won't deny it's social utility. I don't believe personally, but I understand why it exists. It does also have some drawbacks like trying to control people a little too much...there's not being an asshole (basic moral code) and then there's taking someone's fundamental personal power away from them (what happens to religion when it becomes too bureaucratic).
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RationalGaze_ 8y ago
Get the fuck outta here with your dogmatic thinking. You stupid mother fucker, What a grand fucking copout. "Oh he's not making a personal moral judgement its just the objective reality" I ought to fuck your girlfriend just for being so stupid
RationalGaze_ 8y ago
MATTER O FACT Ima fuck her right in front of you and use your tears as lube. Go ahead and prepare her anus buddy 'cause I'm cumming in hot
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Of course not. He's a weak man because when he encountered adversity, he broke down and sought validation and leadership from his wife instead of staying strong and handling his shit.
RationalGaze_ 8y ago
KING ALPHA OVER HERE BE CAREFUL GUYS IT'S MR STEAL YO GIRL
NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago
Your personal indignation over the ideas presented by the OP doesn't change the fact that the wife was disgusted by her husband's behavior.
Being angry over her disgust does not make her disgust go away.
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Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I won by popular vote. It's president alpha.
RationalGaze_ 8y ago
You son of a bitch. I'll win the next election butt fucker
SerKevanLannister 8y ago
Yes but we go by electoral votes...not popular vote, so maybe the other guy won.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I voted for him. RationalGaze_ seems at home on the internet. I still can't find my caps lock key.
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Killigraphy 8y ago
That's the point, to women men are fucking robots, so to break frame in such a huge way is always debilitating to any relationship. The point is to always be gaming your significant other, no matter what.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
Another example of why male spaces are important. You cannot rely on a woman for emotional support.
tenientj 8y ago
I've been unemployed for over a year now, and I have a few side hustles going on. Sometimes, days, weeks are rough and I genuinely feel like crying. I genuinely feel fear sometimes. When the bad moments are tough, especially as it relates to a man's survival, it's fear down to the deepest core we feel as men. On top of that, I have depression, and that intensifies those feelings.
My girlfriend never fucking hears of any of this.
The most she'll get is a vague, "shit is hard" sometimes, and I tend to avoid here when I need emotional support from her the most. You break frame once, you're going to have to put up with a lot of shit tests to establish your dominance and male worth.
The only time a woman is allowed to see you cry, is when someone close to you dies. That's the only time.
Narwal_Snausages 8y ago
To death do we part only refers to your paycheck!
Hokuto199x 8y ago
She's perfectly normal, but I bet people on the relationship sub are singing a different tune.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
Exactly. Her husband went from being strong and a good provider to being weak and unable to provide. It's completely natural for her to feel repulsed by that.
As others in this thread have pointed out, it's like marrying a smoking hot babe. Then she puts on a hundred pounds, stops wearing makeup, and only wears sweat pants and baggy t-shirts.
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Yes but SJW's can't possibly admit this, otherwise GENDER ROLES.
Zagiggity 8y ago
Husband needs a dog, a few buddies, and metric shit ton of liquor for an evening.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
When the fuck did TRP become a place to champion being a woman's doormat to slave away at a job just to pay for her fucking life???????
redzorp 8y ago
In fact, it's like marrying that smoking hot babe and then one day you discover she has turned into a landwhale OVERNIGHT! You would probably be shocked and disgusted.
destraht 8y ago
That is what it seems like to her in that moment but in reality seven days later he could have built himself back up to normal resolve whereas a hundred pound overweight heifer has little chance of ever being normal and even if that it will take a year with zero back slides to recover from that.
KartagoPill 8y ago
I didn't swallow pill, because I feel disgust when he honest with her. Who gives.
Hunters never should show they bleed.
PedroIsWatching 8y ago
I agree that she's acting perfectly normal. But in a way I do like how the commenters in that thread have recognized the hypocrisy, are having none of it, and are tearing her a new asshole. Possibly some last remnants of anger phase on my part.
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BigAl265 8y ago
First time I've read that, damn does it hit home. Required reading for any man.
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As a man who has cried in front of females multiple times, don't fucking do it. We are men and we can't cry, not to anyone. Weakness can never be shown and there are no true women out there who want to coddle you
redzorp 8y ago
It's human to cry, an often necessary release of tension. But yeah, never in front of women.
Just be like Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan after the medic died. Go off to a corner and cry as much as you want. Just make sure nobody else sees it.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Yeah, suicide is far more convenient obv lol
redarkane 8y ago
This is exactly why the male suicide rate is higher than of women. We're just not seen as normal in society if we show emotion.
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Exactly. These emotions are here in all of us, but as a man you're forced to become a dark mysterious figure in order to draw any sort of respect or interest. Or if you're just an ass hole that cares about nothing then I guess that's the ideal man in today's society, but I feel like girls go more for the tall/dark/mysterious than ass hole. Either way, never show emotions with integrity. That is the lesson I got from multiple girls
scissor_me_timbers00 8y ago
eehh, I wouldn't say "never show emotions". Never show weak emotions, boyish emotions.
Girls actually want a guy who feels, who can be tender with her and with children. Most love that. They want their men to be stronger than them and capable of competing in the world, but still relatable. Women have all sorts of emotions and want their man to be able to understand and relate to them, at least somewhat. So they want a guy who can feel emotions. Just not weak ones.
ratthing 8y ago
Preach it, brother.
Same here. Used to think it was a good thing to show my "vulnerability". Biggest. Mistake. Ever.
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Cry in the shower or with one of your trustworthy buddies. It's healthy to get it out sometimes.
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"I'd rather be a mystery than she desert me"
CD_Johanna 8y ago
Fucking Mark Manson and his "vulnerability" BS.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Ha! This sounds like a good story; care to elaborate???
ratthing 8y ago
Not much to tell. My ex was a stunningly beautiful woman, who literally turned heads when we entered a room. She was raised in a very traditional Mexican culture.
I thought a good, feminist "man" was supposed to show his vulnerable side. Over the years I did, sharing with her how I felt, which was really bad because I suffered from and still suffer from major depression.
And, predicatably, over the years, she came to view me with utter contempt, until finally our marriage mercifully ended. Even though she got everything in the breakup, I was just happy to be out of it.
I've learned my lesson. Stressed? Depressed? Suck it up. My loving wife now doesn't "care", as well she shouldn't.
Back in 2009, I was in a high-paying job, but was absolutely miserable, and was treated really badly by my boss. My wife could tell I was miserable and would ask me about it. Instead of crying about it (like I wanted to), I sucked it up and simply gave her the facts as I saw them. She understood that the job sucked, and that I was unhappy, but most importantly, she didn't view me with contempt. I was sucking it up as best I could and unconsciously she respected that.
Well, I finally had enough, and one Monday morning simply told my boss that I resign. I had no other job lined up. It felt great to leave that shit hole, but soon it dawned on me that I needed to get another job, and fast. Honestly, I was fucking terrified. I had a mortgage, car payments, and two young kids. And I just walked away from a very good paying job. The old me would have run crying to my wife for comfort. Instead, I sucked it up, gave my wife my plan of action for finding work, and focused on that. Fortunately I found a job a week later. It didn't pay as well as the previous one, but at least I was working. We survived that episode with my dignity as a man intact.
zxDanKwan 8y ago
There are two times you're allowed to cry in front of your woman.
Ali_s1987 8y ago
Started dating a 28 yo girl turning 29 when I was 24 in the same office. We had the same salary but she had huge money problems as well as medical problems. Helped her out for 3 years emotionally and financially to the point where I would literally sleep hungry cuz i gave my food money to her. At one point her mom took money from some loan sharks and cudnt pay them back and the guys were threatning to kill her parents and I took money from my mom and uncle and from my own pocket so her family would be safe. Bought her the new iphone 5s when it came out. She changed jobs in order to get a better salary. In that time I got fired, my older sis had a miscarriage to the point where for a fortnight we thought sis might die. Mom had high blood pressure and she was in the same hospital on the SAME day. On this day she decides to tell me that she wants a break. A week later found at that she found another guy in her new place of work...............
ihaverisen122 8y ago
Chad vs Beta https://youtu.be/MJ3cqTtCdts
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
TL;DR: Kill yourself, it never gets better.
Not really sure how you are supposed to go through life taking examples of the worst possible people as your guide to everything...?
zigg-_-zagg 8y ago
Womeyn will never be happy if a man cannot provide for her no more.
I learnt this the hard way when few years back I quit my job at a well known insurance company. The Ex-W put up a shit storm & wanted a divorce for the past mistakes I made , never overtly stating she wants a divorce as I could not support the lifestyle we had for the next x months. Few months down the line when I did secure a job she came back. TRP gives an excellent perspective on the female mind.
The best example is from the movie "The pursuit of happiness" . His wife leaves him(Will Smith) but he has hope, maintains frame when she leaves to go to NY for a paying job. Will Smith continues to struggle selling shitty x-ray machines & going ahead with the internship til the point he achieves the vision he wanted.
collidoscope 8y ago
Can we just take a moment and look at the lashing this woman is getting in the comments of the original post? It's not all bad guys... She has low self esteem and doesn't know how to be supportive and the gals are telling her to put on her "big girl pants". If we're going to call out commenters for hamstering, it's only fair to give them credit when they start pummeling another woman for hamstering).
Bhiim 8y ago
Fucking dynamite quote from the comments there
SwissPablo 8y ago
The only time I can think of where crying in front of a woman may be acceptable is after a bereavement. During my last LTR I lost my father suddenly and it hit me really hard. My partner was very supportive and comforting. The difference between this and the OP's example though is the guy above cried because he felt he had failed, whereas I wept over real loss. It didn't feel like a transfer of power to her, it was something very personal.
Mosin_999 8y ago
I don't know about this one, i'm all for AWALT and all that but I have real life examples where guys I knew went through shit and real bad times and their girlfriends supported them pretty hardcore.
She just sounds like a fucking twat (The more selfish kind of one) and he's stupid for not seeing it sooner/and getting with her.
This one isn't black and white for me I'm afraid. I've seen counter examples often too. I think the bottom line here is pick the woman you end up with carefully. If you pick a fucking psycho and get fucked over then come blasting AWALT on a forum it's your own fault.
gymgoer205 8y ago
Did they cry like little bitches looking for comfort? Or did they lose their jobs and immediately go about getting themselves together?
thetotalpackage7 8y ago
I don't know man. I do think every woman would think that some dude crying hysterically about a LOST JOB would think it's pretty pathetic. I think you might be conflating crying over a lost parent or friend which, in my mind, wouldn't be so pathetic to let slip out in front of your wife. About a job though? No way.
king_of_red_alphas 8y ago
Agreed. But - the context here is everything. People simply saying "don't cry or show weakness ... Ever" have probably never known a good woman.
There are women who will stand by you when you are at rock bottom. They are out there. Not all. Not most. But some. I've been through some shit where I was honestly surprised the girl stood by me during and after.
Chances are a HB9 sorority sister plate isn't going to be one of them.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Plenty of guys even on the post that had similar situations and wives that supported them through it.
Using examples of completely shit people to try and prove random talking points is a horrible thing to do, even when TRP members try to do it.
zpatriarchy 8y ago
you are wrong. AWALT. they do not want to see weakness. they hate it. you can go through hard times without sobbing & seeking comfort like he did.
when you carry on like a trooper is when girls will force their compassion on you. they will do their best to take care of you because you don't need it.
if you turn into a helpless mess, they will not help you.
decadin 8y ago
So every single woman on the planet fits your mold? Because that's what "all" means.... If you really belive that then you're incredibly naive.
Chaohinon 8y ago
This is essentially what drove me here.
I had been working two jobs for almost 5 years straight to keep me and my GF on our feet while she was busy getting her degree. Had also been supporting her emotionally, comforting her through bouts of turmoil while she dealt with the stress of college, moving cities, lack of $$$, etc. Towards the end of it, I had a bit of a meltdown from all the suppressed stress (didn't lose my job, mind you), and turned to her for comfort....she left. Rendered me homeless after all that and didn't care.
Life is cruel. Never again.
80smadmaxonly 8y ago
Posts like these are making me hate the female gender. This isn't anger phase, but a deep-seeted disgust like a Jew has for a Nazi.
Chaohinon 8y ago
Well the take home point is not to hate. It wasn't her fault, it was mine for being weak.
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So sorry to hear about that. Nobody should have to deal with that. Consider it a lesson learned though.
StuffaYouFace 8y ago
It is truly a rude awakening when the one person you thought would have your back the most when things are at their lowest, walks away. Even kicks you on the way out. You sacrificed yourself for her for years but the second you ask even a bit from her, she disregards all those sacrifices.
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JackGoldsteinWrites 8y ago
It's not impossible for a woman to consciously realize what her instincts are doing, and then consciously choose to remain loyal and steadfast because her word should mean something. We do this type of thing all the time when we stick to an LTR of 15+ years even though we could easily "trade up" for young pussy.
It's just that this type of self-awareness in women is rarer than an honest lawyer.
sardinemanR 8y ago
I guess because an honest lawyer, like a self-aware women, are both broke and destitute because of that.
rp_valiant 8y ago
loyalty comes more naturally to men than women though - women have the capacity to be loyal but it's certainly not the standard. From experience, women can definitely be as loyal as men though.
krakosia 8y ago
Women can be loyal to themselves and kids. There is no loyalty to the husband. He is perhaps the most replaceable thing she owns
Cloudkidd 8y ago
And this is why women contstantly insist that they get along better with men than women. Its rare to find women with long term +15 years of CLOSE friendship.
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iwillnoteatgreeneggs 8y ago
Just look at how many relationships end over wedding plans.
bridezilla, maid of honor choices, dress issues. It's sickening that women can easily cut out "best friends" over trivial matters like a cold blooded killer.
KartagoPill 8y ago
KungPaoEllenTheFist is right in my view. Feminist made world into women entitlement. Woman WILL replace incapable husband if not female friends will help her. Woman is eternal victim, she will never man up.
redzorp 8y ago
"That is your hamster trying to pull one over on you. Women are incapable of loyalty."
Women are capable of loyalty. But it takes the right upbringing and a society surrounding her that appropriately shames her for bad behavior. We no longer have the latter and the former is rare. So these days, a loyal woman in modern western society is about as rare as the fabled unicorn. They are still abundant if you want to go Amish or join some other orthodox religious community.
destraht 8y ago
If its 20x more difficult to find another man then to get their current man back in business then they will overcome their momentary revulsion to help get him back in the game. Honestly I'm a subscriber to poverty dynamics and this is why I live in Ukraine.
RedPillMat 8y ago
That's not true at all. It just comes harder for them. It doesn't come naturally to them like it does to men. But the conscious is a powerful thing, and can defeat evolutionary programming. Sometimes this sub talks in absolutes. AWALT is correct, all women are "like that". It does not mean though, that all women "do x/y" 100% of the time. A woman can go against her biology just like a man can go against his and marry a fat ugly whale and then refuse to hook up with a HB10 out of moral reasons when presented the chance (a hard choice, but it can be made).
destraht 8y ago
If there are not piles of better or equal men lying around, not a socialist government that will simply allow her to extract any possible resources from the man all of the same (while working on potentially more lucrative prospects) and there are not enough older wise women to council then why the fuck would they choose to stay with a momentarily weak man?
RedPillMat 8y ago
Because of upbringing. And personal values. Believe it or not, there are women that will stick around with a guy just because they think it's the right thing to do. There are women that will go against their biological programming. Which is why when looking for a LTR, it's good to find a girl who was brought up in a traditional household, because if things do go bad, there's a chance she actually sticks around.
rp_valiant 8y ago
this is not true - women are human beings and vary immensely. AWALT is a concept that applies to women in general and is directed at biological drives: AWALT is women being turned off by weakness, in the same way that AMALT is men being attracted by physical markers of genetic and physical fitness. There are exceptions to every rule and variations within rules but as always it's best to work with the assumption that everyone fits within their generalisations and take into account any variations that you perceive in them.
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ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
How could they possibly be incapable of loyalty?...
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Temuzjin 8y ago
It's the "AWALT is wrong, I've found an exception" discussion all over again.
Are women in general loyal? No. Does there exist a woman somewhere who is loyal? Yes.
vacationlife- 8y ago
it's not even that AWALT is wrong. AWALT isnt' wrong, and it's ALL women. The variable is what will get them to LT
Did she leave you for her convenience store boss? no. She's not an exception to AWALT, it just wasn't enough for her to start acting like we know they act.
under the right circumstances, all women are like this/that.
all as in all
NotUpToAnythingGood 8y ago
This is where the term I used a while back comes into play... NEWITS. Not Every Woman Is The Same.
As noted, different women respond to different things in different ways. One might be wooed by music while another gives you the "Is that the best you can do?" expression.
All women are capable of branch swinging (AWALT). What determines when that occurs is based on the individual variables of that particular woman.
hahahabs 8y ago
So what you are effectively saying is that women's perceptions and decisions are primarily based on their environmental and emotional circumstances. Mindblowing /s
CD_Johanna 8y ago
I'm going to play the devil's advocate. Wouldn't there be an equivalent, AMALT? Consider the following argument:
"Your husband of 20 years didn't cheat on you with the new 21 y.o, intern at work? He's not an exception to AMALT, she just wasn't enough for him to start acting like we all know men act.
If your husband meets a sufficiently hot, young, blonde secretary at work, he WILL fuck her if the conditions are right.
When you are 40, have had 3 kids, and your body starts to look like hell, your husband will branch swing to that blonde bimbo at work.
And it's not that all men will necessarily do that every single time, it's that all men would do that under the right circumstances."
See how...inane that argument is?
vacationlife- 8y ago
it's not inane at all. it's reality
and yes, AMALT. But in today's society, men aren't viewed as gentle delicate princesses which can do no wrong.
"men are pigs", "men are dogs", etc. It's something people acknowledge. Men can cheat, and they will under the right circumstances.
The big difference is now women are encouraged to hoe out like this by their friends and popular media, and when they do they still claim no responsibility for it.
"i was raped", "i was drunk", etc. A guy will generally take responsibility for cheating, or at least not try to claim it was a crime. A woman will stop at nothing to avoid responsibility. It's the "hamster" we talk about
A funny consequence of this is how the idiots who believe NAWALT and they found a special princess will occasionally end up raising another man's child. Or maybe it's their own child that they will never get to see after the NAWALT wife hops back on the CC on a girl's night out and divorces the beta
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This is what I don't get ab out TRP. Yes it is natural for a woman to feel this way. But anyone who has lived in culture where Christianity is deeply rooted will know that couples work through tough times and God is often the glue that holds them together in these times. Therefore it is possible for women to move beyond their knee jerk reaction.
Mitchell78 8y ago
She never loved the guy, only what he did for her, what he provided. Now that he has shown weakness she doesn't know how to handle this.
exit_sandman 8y ago
Or she fell out of love with him.
Frdl 8y ago
"She never loved the guy, only what he did for her"
This is a woman's love. Welcome to TRP.
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Another lesson for ya'll.
If you lose frame like this guy and cry/show extreme weakness, then you have to counter it later with some severe as fuck black knighting. Dump her for no reason or anything that hurts her basically. Then re calibrate.
You have to wipe that weak moment away from her mind ASAP and replace it with something sociopathic. Truth.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Lash out at others to make up for your failings.
Sounds legit.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
It is kind of true...he should let her find him starting a meth lab in the garage or something.
KartagoPill 8y ago
Sociopathic things are morally wrong.
But it fucking works.
AdonisHera 8y ago
Morally wrong? To each its own man.
hadhad69 8y ago
The problem here is that woman, not the man.
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Zeparic 8y ago
If you believe in the standards set by feminized western societies, wherein self-victimization and weaknesses are glorified sure. But TRP follows a standard of objective truth, and upholds men to their masculinity. We know that men who are weak are valueless. In reality that man is the true victim, his nature likely sabotaged from an early age, it will lead him to ruination. From there he'll either find the pill in one shape or form, or he'll live the rest of his life in misery from shattered delusions until his death.
hadhad69 8y ago
If anyone is delusional it's you, friend. A relationship with a woman need not be emasculating. You can have a loving woman who you don't need to manipulate through these strange proscribed behaviours and still maintain your self respect. A real man is one who can be happy without the need for this hyper masculine, formulaic guide herein. You are the one who will die sad and alone!
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InAStateTRP 8y ago
Who is the wife a problem for?
The husband is a problem for the wife.
The expectation that a woman should repress her disgust at a man's crying is a problem, because it can never be truly enforced.
hadhad69 8y ago
What's wrong with crying? I cried when I saw Robert Plant and my partner still rides me like a bull.
The husband was cut up he lost his job and would perhaps be going through a tough patch in providing for his marriage. She should support him, it's her duty as it would be his if she was emotionally distressed about some issue.
spassa 8y ago
That's different, showing emotions over unimportant things is ok. But try to see the situation out of them woman's eyes. Her "leader" has a problem so sever it seems, that even he is crying.
How should the woman, depending on the strength of her man, act in that situation? The Hamster is disgusted and tries to cut her losses. They don't feel the empathy towards men like men do to women or women to children.
wolverstreets 8y ago
I promise to be true to you in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health. I will love you and honor you all the days of my life.
God damn. Man broke down one fucking time and the bitch couldn't even let it slide.
StarDestinyGuy 8y ago
Aren't women supposed to be the empathetic, supportive, and nurturing ones?
What's wrong with this woman?
Cyralea 8y ago
Women have a great capacity for empathy towards their children, and people mistakenly extrapolate this towards everyone. Women are completely incapable of empathy towards men. If a man is weak he is utterly repulsive to her.
Think of how much empathy you have for a 400 lb landwhale. Weakness in men evokes the same feelings in women.
UrsusG 8y ago
Only your mother (assuming she's right in the head) and only when you're a little boy.
Further questions?
RPJapan 8y ago
Not even your mother sometimes. Mine is a certified dark triad woman, so I went from stage 0 to stage 5 red pill in no time.
hadhad69 8y ago
Like many of the men here she appears to be a narrsasistic ego centric type. She never loved him, this isn't how healthy relationships work.
Riddick_ 8y ago
Dude lost his job - Wife is completely disgusted... Textbook.
scissor_me_timbers00 8y ago
No
Dude lost his job and breaks down in front of wife bawling about having no motivation and feeling so weak...
Wife is completely disgusted...
Textbook
Manmore 8y ago
I love these little stories and example, because I need to be reminded that the fucking disney fantasy of love that I've had my whole life needs to die. All I wanted was a hot woman to really connect with, be open and human with. It's fucking hard but you can't show any weakness.
Bhiim 8y ago
I like how she comes to the subreddit for advice but posts with the ID husbandproblems1
xkcd_puppy 8y ago
Hold your frame no matter what. Cry in front your buddies and your dog, not your woman.
The Commander of a ship holds his frame and does his duty even though he knows that the torpedo has hit a critical place and lives will be lost.
Manmore 8y ago
I think the captain analogy is the most useful one I've ever come across.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
Nothing causes panic in a military unit more than seeing their leader display fear and doubt. So it is in family units as well.
PedroIsWatching 8y ago
Same with a boss to the workers. You instantly lose respect for a boss that gets stressed and can't keep it cool.
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You're right but I think it is normal for the captain to vent his doubts and frustration to the first mate, which is what the wife is supposed to be right?
Should you bawl like a baby in front of your wife? No. But if you can't show a little weakness and get support from her in a time of need then you picked the wrong wife.
KartagoPill 8y ago
Military unit leaders can't be friends with subordinates.
Lord_NShYH 8y ago
You can't be friends with your wife, it doesn't work. You either lead, or you follow, and if you're following, be prepared for Chad to do your job for you.
FrogTrainer 8y ago
Commanders's aren't supposed to be friends with peons. But he can certainly be "friends" with his First Officer. And the analogy most often used here is Captain & First Officer. This is why on military bases the bars are separated into Officers club, Staff NCO club, NCO club, and Enlisted-Club. A captain certainly won't get into trouble for having a beer with his 1st Officer, but would certainly be in trouble for having a beer with a private.
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BlackJesus_500bc 8y ago
No, ty I will do whatever the fuck I want. I am sick of you guys teaching eachother to twist yourselves in knots, just in case your woman leaves you.
This is all it comes down to for you redpill fools, changing your whole lives, monk mode, work out, try hard, hold frame, dread, and its all to get a woman, or keep your woman from leaving.
Who cares if she leaves? If she leaves for some dumbass reason then why would you want her in the first place? You guys are totally pathetic, you are ruled by women just as much as the Beta you despise.
This lesson of this post is not that "he lost because he broke frame", the lesson is, if you dont have a supportive partner/wife/boyfriend/friend/whatever, then demand higher standards and kick their lazy ass out the fucking door, and make sure dont waste time with idiots in the future.
I hope the wife leaves him, because she seems to be a cunt. You seem to be of the opinion that it would be better if this woman stayed, and why? so he can keep paying for her? because he wont get cuddles?
Hold frame to keep flaky people in your life? WTF is wrong with you?
logicalthinker1 8y ago
Exactly.
And alphas don't "hold frame." They don't constantly adjust their behavior to fit trp. That's just who they fucking are.
lugubriusTRP 8y ago
Yeah but unfortunately we were not taught from birth about this shit, but instead told to do the opposite by our parents and whoever.
bonerdude420 8y ago
i agree man. they've internalized the theory too much without experience. Any dude who has experience with LTRs knows, you can be vulnerable sometimes, as long as it is in moderation.
Silverbacked 8y ago
There's no shame in a man crying, every now and then. As long as he washes his face before he rejoins the ladies. - William Faulkner
Jaereth 8y ago
Well what did they expect to happen? A good Captain doesn't break down crying and hugging his First Mate when somethings wrong with the ship.
And those lines about "how he feels he has no strength or motivation to carry on, how he feels weak and useless because of all of this." - He bitched up BIGTIME there! So you got fired once and you are giving up on life totally? I'd be disgusted with this behavior if it was one of my guy friends doing it with me. Imagine how a mate would feel!
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Holy shit, of course she's disgusted. I'm disgusted as well.
Let me tell you, I've seen shit in my life. I'm born to post war country and my parents divorced. I had to work since 17. I tried to start my job and failed and left with 7000 euros of debt and absolutely nobody to help me.
I clinched my fucking fist, found a job as away worker and solved my problems.
I never cried. Felt shitty at times, saw a tear once when I was working 12 hours daily with nobody to talk to, no friends. One tear, once. And then I slapped myself.
Men like this disgust me and women are completely right about this one.
Save your compassion needs for kids and small animals. Be a fucking man. When I feel hard I swallow and spit that feeling. I continue through pain. But I don't complain or cry.
Motherfucker lost his job and he is crying, well let me tell you he is goddamn pussy.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
My advice to her?
"Divorce him right now, while he's impoverished. Because it's inevitable anyways, and if you wait until he's back on his feet, you'll get a divorce settlement that is far more generous than you actually deserve. It's best for you to leave with nothing, and he can move on, recover, and flourish on his own or with a genuine love."
(the last bit about love is bullshit, but ya know - when in Rome, do as the Romans...)
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I hate to break it to OP, but even the strongest men cry. It's normal.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
I never said men never cry. But this guy completely broke down over a lost job. Which, in the grand scheme of things really isn't that important. Yeah, money may be tight for a while, and he may have to get a job flipping burgers while he hunts for a new job in his previous field, but it's not a real tragedy like the death for a close friend or family member.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Nobody ever said that it's abnormal to cry. Haven't you read any of these other posts??
slurmfactory 8y ago
Great post. After about 1.5 years of post-break up "manning up" aka working on me, dating tons of fine women, kicking all types of ass and establishing myself in my career and life etc. and now actually have a girlfriend. She's great. 23 year old brazilian au pair, super sweet. Fun to chill with. First girl I've stayed with for extended periods and felt comfortable and not bored or "why are you still here?"
The thing is, I met her full of internal alpha mentality but injured my arm (drunken rage from 2 years ago reinjured during sports.) and now I cant lift really and have all this stress and worry at work.
But I know - gotta man up or she's gone. If I beta up and need her for support im done. So - working it out on me, not complaining to her.
Long story short, being the man.
ZioFascist 8y ago
man, i hate women. they are literally incapable of feeling emotion
JestersHat 8y ago
Holy shit people in this subreddit is robots. I'm glad I don't live in the US where things are like this. Don't show emotion, even though you all say that it's because you've been raised not to. This is Bullshit. He is struggling and all you can day is that he's a bets bitch. Get a grip. Fuckers.
whisky1111 8y ago
I can understand why they are calling him a beta bitch but I can't understand where they think there is some great reward for holding frame with a woman.
We've already established that women cannot love you or even be a friend, so other than biological needs, how is all this work worth it?
What exactly does a modern woman bring to the table other than her vagina and womb?
I guess some dudes need a challenge to feel alive.
FrameWalker 8y ago
Wife's behavior is completely reasonable given human nature.
She's unhappy with her own nature as well. The real tragedy is that media and society have pushed this couple towards this unhappy state. By femininizing men they create an environment where people think showing weakness as the husband should be okay. The catastrophic, often irreparable damage done to the relationship is completely avoidable.
Losing the job is not the problem. It's the reaction to it. I'm thankful subs like trp teach us how to manage emotions and navigate through life proactively.
scissor_me_timbers00 8y ago
Totally. It creates immense confusion. Because they both have been led to believe that this sort of weakness should be okay, and wind up bewildered when Nature shows differently.
And the fucked up thing is, if somebody straight up told this guy "listen, here is the brass tacks way the world works: you can't respond to this by breaking down and crying in front of your wife. It just won't work" He would probably deal with it better. Yes, that's a shittier reality, but now that I'm clear on how things work, I can manage and navigate without confusion.
I remember once when I was having a real difficult time, my mom tells me "It's ok son, you'll find a girl who likes you for who you are" in this real sentimental way. I was wise enough to know she was delusional as fuck, but the sheer idiocy of that statement and coming from my mother in the form of advice pissed me off pretty good.
Very frustrating.
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Your wife is not your mother, and she will actively be disgusted with you for putting her in that role.
As a man, this is why you need a male social network, or a shrink. Develop strong male peers, and you have someone to take your victim puke, so long as you're not 100% of an emotional tmapon. Or pay someone to do it.
Theres nothing wrong with her, she has a need for a strong oak, and, like when a girl gains 50 pounds, she loses attraction.
blacwidonsfw 8y ago
Step 1. Get a job where you won't be redundant.
Step 2. Always be interviewing so you know Where you stand in the job market.
Step 3. Don't get married.
unassumingusername7 8y ago
He didn't even need all that, although it's good advice. He just needed the magic words, "I'll take care of it", and she wouldn't have been repulsed.
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RedPill2015 8y ago
I know AWALT and this guy should have stayed as Billy Badass, but this is why I think Redpill LTRs are fucking retarded. You're really going to endure a shrieking harpy that will backstab you in a moments notice just to get your dick sucked? I'd rather have fuck buddies or go mgtow.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Well, not like your plates are going to be any better...are they?
Personally, I've never had an LTR that was a shrieking harpy. Maybe I've never been in an LTR though (never anything over 2 years).
Hokuto199x 8y ago
I'll always use everything at my disposal to get what I want, not what someone else thinks I should want. If she becomes a shrieking harpy you've fucked up, plain and simple.
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CD_Johanna 8y ago
But how can you really be sure?
DONT_reply_with_THIS 8y ago
I can't, that's why I said I'm as sure as you can be. I hold frame most of the time, she always wants to fuck and is very submissive sexually but I would never be blue pill enough to think that somehow means she can't/won't cheat on me.
GurneyHalleck85 8y ago
No, wrong lessons learned. The proper lesson is MGTOW and that the juice is not worth the squeeze.
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Absolutely disgusting response from the wife...
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One time sfter i lost a job i worked very hard for over nothing, i cried in front of my mother, i was 19. She never respected me again, especially after i mentioned suicide( yes i was a weak person before) she encouraged me to do it.
Now when shit absolutley hits the fan, which is rare i rent a room across town thats sound proof, cry scream yell laugh stomp my feet, primal shit. Boom i come out healed, men or that energy has to come out. It has become unacceptable for me to feel anything but i still have to deal with them so i do that on my own time. Men need to feel the pain but you have to realize that it is only by going through with the feeling that u willcome out stronger. There is no escape and no female ever will be comfort or escape from the edge which is yours to experience.
SomeClassyDude 8y ago
Err...your mother encouraged you to commit suicide? Might want to seek therapy
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nah I left the country and read good redpill books like atlas shrugged, and defiant by alvin townley and found elliot hulse plus RSD. No therapy in the world could have done what these guys did for me. I now live happily and freely.
Upvote_To_The_Left 8y ago
Can we stop writing these BS stories on other subreddits so we can circlejerk them here?
ktchong 8y ago
Which is why I do not feel sorry nor sympathy for wives who got dumped by by their husbands who became successful and decided to "upgrade" the younger, hotter women.
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This actually happened to me. My girlfriend at the time actually yelled at me afterward and dumped be shortly thereafter.
C'est la vie!
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There are 3 times in a mans life when it is acceptable for him to cry, The loss of a loved one, the loss of a dog, and the loss of his home. Anything other than that is weakness.
30303030303030 8y ago
This is where this "equality" nonsense ends.
It's in the blood. Women like masculine men, men like feminine women.
She knows it's not right but she's repulsed by his actions anyway. He cried like a woman and she can't be sympathetic cause he isn't a woman, or a child.
Women often say "tell me how you feel", but once you do just that, once you drop on her you insecurities and issues, she wont suck your dick for a week.
You don't get to show your weakness to women, sorry, you just don't. Or it will end like that. With disgust.
Futdashukup 8y ago
Its all well and good everyone saying "Oh what a beta-bitch. He should know AWALT," but losing your job does hit you hard, and most men won't be able to maintain. I went through a similar thing and my wife was very supportive. But I did get back on track in about a month...
RPAlternate42 8y ago
Prior to RP I cried not in front of her... AT her. post D-bomb (my drop)... 4 days later.
I regret it everyday; I feel like I tainted the marriage.
Anderfail 8y ago
When I got fired from my first job out of college (it was entirely my own fault for doing something stupid), I broke down in front of my wife. Outside of funerals, it's the only time she's ever seen me cry like that.
She was nothing but supportive during the process thankfully. It was the moment in my life when I realized I could no longer be a child and I began making some long overdue changes. Went to grad school, got my engineering degree, got a job immediately afterwards, and now am on my second job since and work in industry. It was a seminal event for me and I am now thankful it happened because it kicked my ass into gear.
My wife may have been disgusted at the time, I don't know. She never wavered in her commitment to the relationship though, but now I understand I can never take it for granted and that I always must seek to improve myself, not to be worthy but because to do it for myself and to be the best man I can be.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Can't say, but, I expect that you didn't cave in like a bitch, and start whining about your lack of motivation, etc..., as did the person in the OP.
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I honestly believe nothing is harder to repair than your frame in the eyes of a woman after you've cried in front of her.
Last week I got suckerpunched in the dancefloor out of nowhere, and ended up on the floor and carried out by my friends. I started uncontrollably crying out of anger because I was so powerless in the situation and I had other personal shit in the back going on. I was properly sobbing with my best male friend comforting me. Then on the way home, we were on a bus and he was comforting me still, and my best female friend came to comfort me and I bawled like a bitch on her lap. I'm not proud of it, I lost it and she was a damn good shoulder to cry on.
But god damn. Ever since that whenever we've been talking I can just feel the pity constantly. She has complete power right now and doesn't see me as a man at all. It's going to be so hard to bring back my frame in her eyes. Any tips?
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"Love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails." - Niccolò Machiavelli
long-lostfriend 8y ago
I was recently let go from my job (more or less; I managed to negotiate a resignation deal to protect my reputation), and there is no way in hell I would have shown weakness to my wife.
Due to the contractual and seasonal nature of my profession, it basically meant that I was not going to see income for several months, even when I was almost immediately picked up by a new employer. That means that we had to cut back on a lot, and I also picked up a couple of side hustles and acquired some funds (legally) from some sources I would never, ever disclose to her. I got shit taken care of, though, and she never once saw me in self-pity or defeated.
As of this week, we should be headed out of those woods. There were times that things got tense between us as we were running on financial fumes and I had to firmly tell her to knock off some complaining about circumstances I could do nothing more about. My wife is a good woman, but there is no way I would put myself in a position of her seeing me as someone who needs her to be the anchor in our marriage.
iamirishpat 8y ago
Question: I understand why I wouldn't be able to break down in front of my girl like this, buts what's a guy supposed to do with all those emotions he's feeling? I can talk to my mother like this, but when she passes on, are you telling me that I'll have no one?
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juliusstreicher 8y ago
So what? I have nobody to whom I can express my emotions. I have some good bros, but, they don't cry to me and I don't cry to them. My brother has no internal strength of his own, so, I would just be pissing in the wind. The gf wouldn't give a shit.
Believe me, not having a shoulder to cry on is the LEAST of my problems.
iamirishpat 8y ago
It's still a problem.
I have some anger issues and if I can't take my shit out in a healthy way, I end up doing incredibly stupid shit.
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MarinTaranu 8y ago
And did the bitch have a job at that time? Maybe it was time to stop being a stay-at-home parasite ooops mommy and get her hands dirty.
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That's disgusting. What a horrible way to live...to never be able to show vulnerability and take strength from your partner. Is this really the kind of women you guys want to date? Those that just, take take take take take, and the moment you need it reciprocated you get kicked to the curb?
The human race...disgusts me.
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frys180 8y ago
This is why I prefer women with more masculine qualities. (Excluding physical features.) I find that women in this demographic are more capable of empathy and understanding. They also take more initiative as opposed to relying on me for everything.
A super 100% passive feminine girl? I can't do it. For a short-term, yes. But for long-term? I'd rather purposely get into a car accident.
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CuntyMcFagNuts69 8y ago
Why is this a big deal. She can't have tingles and sympathy. This is red pill 101
Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 8y ago
AWALT can be confusing at times. My parents have been married for more than 25 years and are both pretty conservative and old school. My dad has had major health problems for the last 15 years, but my mom has always been there for him.
The past couple of years he has been getting really whiny and complains to any one that is willing to lend him an ear. He acts like a child sometimes and it seems as if he wants my mother to mother him. I don't understand how my mom deals with it because honestly I get annoyed and I find myself losing respect for him for the way he deals with it, but my mom is always there as helpful as can be.
hadhad69 8y ago
Because she loves him, it's inevitable that both will face tough times in their life. I'm sure he was a rock for her in different days. Playing relationships like some big game where women are pawns to be moved by your meta actions is not how real life works.
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"Pity is death to desire"- Daenarys Targaryan
K4RAB_THA_ARAB 8y ago
Yeah, time to unsubscribe. I'm sure we can all agree that losing your job makes you feel a little inadequate but is no reason to sit around and sob. Yes, he should of sucked it up and stayed strong till he found another job. He just let it get to him though, he felt like he could let it out to his wife who is suppose to be there for times like these. It's sad to see douchebros like you guys throw shit at this man because he cried to her, a woman, which you all seem so against and calling him a betabitch. I always thought the meaning of being a beta was to not stand up for what you feel is right, to not voice your opinion. Not saying something to the person who just cut you in line or telling the waiter they fucked up your order. Now I see whatever makes you look vulnerable is a characteristic of a betabitch. I don't wanna take part in that kind of shit, it's just fucking childish.
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whisky1111 8y ago
"I've come to the point where comments from red pillers seem... alien to me. "MAINTAIN THAT FRAME, DUDE!" "DREAD THE FUCK OUTTA HER!". "NEVER DO X!". "NEVER DO Y!"
I agree. I think many here still see women as the "prize" to be obtained and kept but rather than using blue pill tactics(provider-ship) they attempt to expend energy with using tingles instead.
In either scenario it's the woman who wins, and the "prize" ain't worth it.
epixs 8y ago
Fully expected, same thing happens with team dynamics. If you see your leader cry or get scared, how do you think that makes the other people under him feel.
Same dynamic here fellas
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The comments are typical bluepill shaming puke. They hate her because if she isnt evil then something else must be going on....none of these folks can use this observation to formulate an alternative hypothesis..
"What happened to through thick and thin?"
"For better or for worse?"
" dont you love him for him?"
iwillbemuscle 8y ago
This is how women operate, you haven't swallowed the pill if you think that there's something wrong with her. Edit: grammar
tio1w 8y ago
TLDR: Women can't feel empathy towards a male.
They'll either be indifferent or usually disgusted.
Yes, all women (hetero at least) and yes, that includes mothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, grandmothers ...
They are not special.
rpthrowawayaway 8y ago
"This is the first time I had to comfort him... first time i ever saw him cry, ever...I couldn't do it and felt disgusted"
Just goes to show it literally only takes one time losing frame for your woman to lose all respect for you. It's sad but true.
sardinemanR 8y ago
That's sort of a corollary to Briffault's Law.
It really doesn't matter what you've done, none of it creates a continuing obligation on the woman or any desire for her to repay that debt she should have to you. She doesn't care, she can't care. It is her biological programming.
This is why "equality" is such an absolute joke. You can not be red pill and think women are "equal." Women are inferior in every way to a man, and if you're not willing to take your spot above women, then you are beta, and you just don't get it, bottom line.
tio1w 8y ago
It doesn't even have to be real. It can just be imagined, it's just as powerful. There is no winning.
aherne18 8y ago
Here I find no fault in woman's behavior. Men who cry before their women deserve what they get: disgust. Tailing a woman to get pussy, which is what beta males do, is one thing. Crying before her and deploring yourself is not beta, but omega male behavior. Only omega males, in their desperate attempts to get group's acceptance keep their heads down and invite being trampled over (because for them being ignored is worse than being insulted).
"Project strength and confidence even during times of turmoil." Never feel week also, or if you do never show it to anyone (incl. male "friends" who would betray you more often than not).
jaimewarlock 8y ago
If you need to cry, do it in the shower and be quiet about it.
If I feel disgust in seeing a man cry, imagine how much worse it must be for a woman.
Never appear pitiful, even if you are dying. Die with dignity. Never be broken.
If in the future I am dying of cancer, I have decided that I will take my own life before I appear pitiful.
doubleecho88 8y ago
I got fired today babe
UrsusG 8y ago
This does confirm TRP tenets about maintaining frame, projecting strength, etc, but just to play devil's advocate here, I don't think feeling disgust when faced with weakness is exclusive to women.
I think displays of weakness are universally pathetic and breed contempt at some level, especially if it's not over a major unexpected life tragedy like losing your kid or your local equivalent of 9/11.
Crying over a lost job is super weak and pathetic. It's just a goddamn job. Whatever sick mortgage you have and however deep in debt you are, there's always a way out.
tl, dr: don't cry when you lose your job.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
You do have a point there. A few years back a blue pill friend of mine had a full-on emotional crisis over the fact that he was in his early 30s and had never been married. As I watched him whine and wallow in self-pity, I couldn't help but feel disgust towards him. I definitely lost some respect for him that day.
Kaelteth 8y ago
Last time I lost my job I threw a fucking party.
6 month payout...from a shithole of epic fail to having the world wide open for me. Took me a matter of weeks to have a better job with a better organization for almost double the pay.
arrayay 8y ago
That helps illustrate how debt itself is a weakness. That is often hidden, but then something like a job loss can expose it. People don't like fakes, and all the sudden the debt exposure makes you look like a fake. You didn't really have that house, car, etc. You were just posing.
UrsusG 8y ago
Yup, all true.
Managing your finances prudently is also part of TRP and has been covered in many posts.
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He shouldn't have been a little bitch. She has every right to feel disgusted by him.
Modern__Day__Pricus 8y ago
I love reading stories as much as I do reading about theories and philosophies.
Examples paint a picture in real time of what is going on for men in both the blue and red world.....
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I'd go so far as to suggest saving those tears for your closest guy friend. They'll be weirded out at first but ultimately, I think with most men, seeing that moment of vulnerability is flattering that you'd share with them. Obviously can't be a regular habit, but it has its place.
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Marriage is not supposed to be about attraction. The traditional framework of marriage, hell, even pair bonding is the assumption that two is stronger than one. That as a unit you will be more productive and add value to a community. And when hard times hit you will be able to rebound much quicker than you would all on your own. In other words I am trying to say you have a stake in each other.
When did this change, when did it become fashionable to become so incredibly lazy that when things got rough the supposed strong mutual support structure of marriage was no longer an effective safety net. I can't imagine how our current society would survive another great depression or war.
Many of you are saying that this man showed weakness in going to his wife for support, I disagree. Perhaps the way he went about it was indeed weak, but the act in and of itself is not. Admitting that you have no recourse and then confiding in one's partner is supposed to be a sign of strength. What has happened is a paradigm shift in the definition of weakness and vulnerability. Rather, what the OP has shared with us is an illustration of the complete breakdown in the system of marriage. There is very little consequence to the breaking of this social contract, especially for women.
scissor_me_timbers00 8y ago
Well no one is criticizing the guy for confiding in his wife. Of course he's going to, he can't hide it from her forever. It's how he did it-- showing no resilience or optimism.
But you're right about marriage for the most part. It's an economic union, a civilization building block, a way to build the next generation. But attraction still fucking matters dude. That's what attraction is built around biologically-- the question of: Is this person a fit mate? The guy's behavior shows incredible weakness.
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Thanks for making a rational post.
About the only thing you can conclude is that this woman is a shit person, or that marriage is totally useless now.
It's mind-boggling that hardly anyone realizes that being able to go to your spouse in times of weakness is literally supposed to be a signal of strength... that that is literally the only reason for the entire fucking enterprise in the first place.
Imagine forming business relationships with this mentality! "We're partner's, and if you ever need more capital we have an exclusive contract between us so that you can get more capital to keep our mutual venture afloat. I'll take 50%+ of the earnings. But if you ever come to me to ask for the extra capital because of a downturn, I'll screw you over and sink the mutual venture. It'll be awesome!"
It's unreal that people accept this at all...
I mean, marriage might be dead, but god damn, when did we stop being able to call people shit human beings for being shit human beings??
Limekill 8y ago
This. The idea is in the moment of weakness you would hold each other up (or help each other (whatever you want to call it)), but now its ALL about the tingles. Fuck marriage.
StuffaYouFace 8y ago
You are right on the money. I sub to the divorce subreddit and it is filled with people divorcing over the first thing to go wrong in the marriage. Good/bad, sickness/health for as long as you both shall live are just words that mean fuck all anymore. It's just something you repeat after the person marrying you.
1independentmale 8y ago
100% this.
My view isn't going to be popular here, but fuck it: We have emotions, too. I am not a robot, I have feelings and I have cried when times got tough. Shit is really fucked up when a man who is hurting can't collapse into the arms of his woman and receive comfort and affection. We're all loving the superficial surfaces of one another, never getting deep into the depths of our partners' souls.
destraht 8y ago
He was suffering for days and couldn't figure a way out of it any longer and then he collapsed. I propose that in her momentary revulsion that she shit-can him, divorce him and take near 50% of his future earnings while she refreshes herself on the sexual market with no drop in her sexual value.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Too late. She's already working on it.
DexterousRichard 8y ago
No, that may be what you wish, but it's not RP.
Women are TOO WEAK to handle that. If you don't want to admit it, it's because you want to cling to your own "right" to be weak in the face of adversity.
If you wouldn't cry in front of your children when they're afraid, then you shouldn't in front of your woman either.
1independentmale 8y ago
Someone dropped your comment down to 0; I bumped it back up.
You're right. It's hard to hear and as a man who is in touch with his emotions and comfortable expressing them, I wish it weren't true. I long for a real, open, honest and loving relationship with a woman who supports me as I do her, who understands that men have feelings and needs, too. I don't want to put on a facade for her, but I realize I have no choice in the matter so I suck it up and do it anyway.
I just think it's unfortunate and a little sad.
Factushima 8y ago
There is a problem with the word "normal" in these comments.
It should be understood that normal in this context means "common." On no planet now or ever is the behavior of Western women "normal." They are beyond fucked but that is ever present.
tio1w 8y ago
This behavior is universal across cultures, races, religions, societies and historical periods.
Women can't feel empathy towards a man. At best she'll be indifferent but more often than not she'll be outright disgusted like this princess.
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tom_salchichom 8y ago
Even though we all knew he had the provider type of value, it's still hard to read the history. Being aware of how cruel this game is, is the only defence we have agains't it.
Jethros 8y ago
There are only a few acceptable times for a man to cry. When your dog dies. When a close friend or family member dies. When your child is born. Losing your job isn't on that list.
The_BeardedGentleman 8y ago
There is a difference between a man crying and a pathetic mess crying.
When a man cries, it isn't an event that drags on. There is no sobbing, or leaning for comfort while holding back snot. It is someone letting a single tear fall after they finish a heavy sentence/moment.
That seems to be the divide to me atleast. When my brother died, both my father and I stood next to him. Pulled our sister towards us. Shes sobbing uncontrolably (like the guy in the OP). Put my arm around her and said "The trio had a good run". Dad said "Yeah... I suppose it did" as he caught a tear falling down his face. And we walked away. I didn't really know about TRP or anything at the time, but I knew deep down from the moment I got the phone call about his death that I was about to have to hold frame for the next month, not for me, but for everyone else who can't.
If you're ever in that moment, you'll hear people asking you why you aren't crying, and trying to reassure you that its okay if you do. Don't listen to a word they fucking say. Listen to your gut or end up like the man in the OP.
Limekill 8y ago
Really?
Fuck women have even been annoyed that their husband cried when their parents died. But then they are fucking annoyed if you don't cry because your not showing any emotion.
Thizzlebot 8y ago
I had to do this last Thursday. It hurt and still hurts like a mother fucker. I cried in front of my mom and brother but that's it. I didn't even want to do that but what the fuck ever you have to let it out sometimes. My GF keeps trying to get me to cry to her about it but no fucking way because it gives her power over me. RP has actually given me better control over my emotions and because of that I have more control of my life.
I have two cries left in me: mom dying and dad dying. Everything else isn't worth it.
I will never ever cry over a relationship with a female.
drallcom3 8y ago
There's no acceptable time. You're supposed to be the rock. At least in public. You may only cry when you're alone. Such is life as a man.
saibot83 8y ago
Only time I ever saw dad cry was when the dog died, his brother died and when one of my childhood friends almost died.
SteelChicken 8y ago
Death and birth is it - and only for people and dogs. And with dogs, only death. And with birth, only YOUR baby.
KartagoPill 8y ago
But that's not your baby John! Get CUCKD
Philhelm 8y ago
My wife kept saying that I would cry when our first daughter was born. It was like she really wanted me to cry for some reason I could not understand (this was pre-TRP). I scratched my head, confused, and asked why I would cry just because some fetus will crawl out of her. As it turns out, our firstborn was rushed to a children's hospital the day after her birth, and had to go through an exhausting battery of tests and a few surgeries. No tears here; shit test passed.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
You haven't received the bill yet.
Philhelm 8y ago
No, I just haven't seen the bill yet, since it's sticking out of my ass. We were fortunate to have decent insurance, but it was still expensive. Definitely a $2+ million baby. She better get started in the coal mines in order to repay me for letting her live.
exit_sandman 8y ago
That's hilarious because one BP poster at PPD wrote ad verbatim "there's nothing manlier than a guy who cries over his newborn child".
Yeah, that says pretty much all you got to know about how often you're allowed to shed tears in your life in front of a woman.
scissor_me_timbers00 8y ago
A man can tear up with joy for things like that. Most women would find that acceptable, or "touching".
Crying in weakness is totally different.
Clockshade 8y ago
You can cry at the end of Terminator 2. One tear, and a sniffle. That's it.
Philhelm 8y ago
And Saving Private Ryan, but only if you're a WWII veteran.
rp_valiant 8y ago
manly tears only!
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Fred_Flintstone 8y ago
Did any of you guys see Pixar's "Inside Out"?? Fuck if that didnt start to get me a little bit. I had to make myself zone out. I swear they deliberately optimised the sound frequencies and eye movements to tug at heartstrings. Probably reverse engineered with deep learning or something. Fuck Pixar!!!
zpatriarchy 8y ago
it's like those bastards try their hardest to make us cry everytime but it's still a good movie & has some red pill truth in it.
PedroIsWatching 8y ago
MFW
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SupALupRT 8y ago
i was super happy but didnt cry. Am I not a man now?
Anderfail 8y ago
Yes, we should all be autistic robots who keep a stoney and emotionless facade in the face of adversity.
All you have to do to be able to cry in front of your significant other is to not be a weeping faggot. If you are a man who commands respect, then women mostly won't care if you cry when serious life affecting shit happens to you, especially if you have a proven history of picking your ass up off the ground and moving forward.
Women don't like criers, but they also don't particularly care much for autists either.
scissor_me_timbers00 8y ago
Holy fuck i've become an autist. FML
king_of_red_alphas 8y ago
This. So much this. TRP has an insanely high representation of aspies thinking they are being "alpha" when they likely just come off as weird assholes.
I know it's fiction, but Mad Men's Don Draper showed "weakness" and emotion plenty in the series and in front of women. He never came off as remotely beta.
The truth is, while most autists will imagine themselves as Don Draper they are more than likely Pete Campbell.
tldr - cry for the right reasons and don't lose control and you'll be fine. Cry for yourself and out of fear and you will be in trouble.
There is a distinction between crying like a man and crying like a bitch.
Anderfail 8y ago
The autism issue is one of the biggest problems with TRP. So many of the guys here clearly have little real world experience with people in general, much less women.
There is very little that separates many of them from the SJW shutin autists as they are just two sides of the same coin. Both are likely out of shape, neither has any social skills, and both come across as weirdos to virtually everyone they meet.
king_of_red_alphas 8y ago
Exactly. It always surprises me how extremists of any stripe fail to see that deep down they are basically mirror images of their enemies.
Not that this makes their cause / ideas any less valid, but the same character flaws and unpleasantness they see and criticize in their enemies are ones they themselves exhibit.
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What about tears of happiness? Like when you achieve something you've been fighting for. Getting the gold or winning in some way.
Or crying at a movie? I can get teary when the hero finally wins or something awesome happens. Never out of sadness.
Or tears from a beautiful piece of music or art that has moved you?
It's weird that the eyes water from feelings of bliss, joy, humor, accomplishment, justice, as well as from pain, loss, suffering and despair. I wonder what the evolutionary explanation is...
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[deleted] 8y ago
Men are allowed to express two emotions- anger and celebration/satisfaction. Unless those other emotions are closely aligned to the two core emotions, try to avoid them.
[deleted] 8y ago
b-but feminists say men should be able to cry! surely women will be able to completely ignore millenia of internal programming
Jethros 8y ago
No one is saying you can't cry. We are just in agreement here that you shouldn't cry in front of a woman or your children.
In times of great sorrow/loss, or abundant joy ie: birth of your child, shedding a tear is a sign of the true capacity for love and strength. Crying at a movie isn't the same.
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Funny how women cry at weddings and men have almost the opposite reaction.
I wonder if mothers are more likely to cry when daughters get married than sons?
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[deleted] 8y ago
Yes. I get this.
Saw a guy who won a bodybuilding competition crying and thought to myself, he may be huge but he looks like a little bitch crying like that...
I can see the don't cry at movies but to cry from being moved by music is something else entirely. I don't think I would ever want to give that up. The feeling is literally better than sex. One of the most euphoric and inspirational feelings I've ever know. Music is more important to me than women.
ColonelMitchell 8y ago
Just don't do it in front of women
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rp_valiant 8y ago
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I am a performer by profession. My deep feelings with music is what inspired me to pursue my art.
I could give a fuck what anyone thinks seeing me cry from the core of my being when moved by great music. This is my higher purpose that few will understand. My main reason for existence. Without the beauty of music life would feel pointless.
For example, Mozart makes me cry all the time. His music is just so fucking brilliant and beautiful it blows me away...
rp_valiant 8y ago
then you are well within your right, and your frame, to cry at art. Crying is negative for men insofar as it portrays weakness. Weakness is unattractive, passion is attractive, and crying because of your deep passion towards the arts can only be a good thing.
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Thanks for the validation and clarity. That's what my intuition tells me.
I am blessed that I can feel so deeply, but it's a double edged sword that makes me vulnerable at times. My sensitivity and empathy are connected to my gifts and talents that make me one of the fortunate that do what they love for a living, but it also accounts for most of the pain and struggle in life. Mostly with women. TRP is helping me overcome the hopeless romantic side of my personality.
rp_valiant 8y ago
You can work with what you're given though - I've taken cues from /u/abdada and try to both mentally and verbally reframe my thinking around certain personality traits. Where you think of yourself currently as "sensitive", try to approach this trait as being "passion" and you'll be better placed to derive strength rather than weakness. A "sensitive" man loses control to his emotions, whereas a "passionate" man exudes excitement and love and can bring other people into his emotional bubble. You go from a person who loses frame due to his emotions to one who has such an overwhelming frame that others can't help but step into his reality.
abdada 8y ago
I go to operas and orchestras on rare occasions for business social reasons and always tear up.
Music is designed to elicit emotions out of the consumer. That's the brain reward element of well produced music.
Hennez 8y ago
This is the problem with LTRs and marriages: the man basically gains nothing from having a wife around.
That's basically wrong: marriage should not be about what
one personwomen want. I mean: what use other than sex and some cooking is then the woman for men?. I understand the dynamic behind women's attraction and arousal but fuck, the guy's her husband and is a fucking person too.The guy should go to a bro or maybe his father or an elder to discuss something like this. The mistake he made is basically believing the woman was a sensate person and marrying her (the first mistake).
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
A man SHOULD be gaining something from having a wife around... someone to handle busy work for you, to fuck you every day that you connect with intimately, to sleep with at night, to share life goals with, to travel with, depend on, etc... /whatever you want from a life partner.
There is a lot of obvious, and tremendous value a wife could add to your life.
The fact that the vast majority of wives don't deliver any value because they aren't required to says nothing about the potential value a wife could have.
Obviously if women are literally equivalent to rocks (non-sensate) then you are correct, there is no potential value, and it makes no sense not to just have an escort around whenever you please.
But in theory there are lots of benefits beyond having a vagina that a wife could provide.
Hennez 8y ago
Those are exactly my points. And that's what I think (I'm not pro marriage for myself but for the ones out there that so wish I think that should be the case).
It seems to be the case that most of the wives nowadays bring nothing more to the deal. That and their ability to swap a credit card shopping unnecesary things.
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In my 25 years on this planet, I have seen my dad cry 1 time. It was when our dog, who we had for 17 years, passed away. Other than that, I have never seen him cry. I always respected him for that, because my mom cried all the time when they were married, and he was always there to support her. When they separated, my mom had hardly any money, and I had to be the emotional rock for her.
I learned that a man's duty is to stay strong for those around him.
Plus, have you seen a grown man cry? No one wants to see that
kazcovic 8y ago
Holy fuck this is terrifying. I genuinely thought the two safest women to cry to are your mother and your wife. Now that I think of it that is probably why I never saw my father cry even when his parents and sister died.
Mendax22 8y ago
Just shared the story with my mother. After giving her the background and carefully describing TRP's response, she didnt want to talk about it. Attempting to divert the conversation, she stated "why would a woman want a weak man anyway?" AWALT.
jasonmiles2014 8y ago
Wow. Talk about breaking frame. Beta schlub for sure. And an absolute fucking pussy.
uututhrwa 8y ago
She probably has Asperger's doe
Disaster532385 8y ago
This truth is still the hardest and most bitter one for me.
Mon_k 8y ago
Basically if you want a loyal companion that you don't have to always maintain frame around; get a dog. Dog treats are cheaper than diamonds anyway...
ProspectiveQuant 8y ago
Not really... unless you're buy diamonds every day. Dog treats are expensive as shit. I had a roommate with a dog for 4 years. He spent vastly more on that dog than a diamond ring, even just counting the cost of treats.
alx741 8y ago
Correlated terrible mistake here, no more. If you look for empathy and support in a women you're fucked up. Women nature is actually pretty nasty
Factushima 8y ago
The Lessons Learned section is a little strange.
It should start at "Don't get married. Marriage is for chumps and betas".
"If you are married you're already fucked. If you don't want to lose all your shit and your children you should:" then the rest would apply.
whisky1111 8y ago
The man's only mistake was getting married!
Listen folks, marriage or LTR with a modern woman is like a bucket of turds with the handles on the inside.
If a woman wants me to be her "rock" then she better damn well be soft, feminine, and (gasp) submissive.
If a woman can't be the ying to my yang then exactly what am I getting out of the relationship?
A buddy who I get to fuck once a month(maybe) and listen to them bitch the rest of the time?
Bad deal!
NevrEndr 8y ago
Lost my job once. I had a little angry freak out alone in the car that afternoon but that was it. The next day i filled out 50+ applications in my field and filed for unemployment. I had the confidence to know I was marketable and had the interview skills to boot so it was only a matter of time.
I approached the subject with my wife like it was the best thing to ever happen to us. Honestly I was happy it happened, the company was terrible, I got a nice severance, and I got to spend a couple days a week when I wasn't interviewing at home with my daughter. Was on unemployment for 2 months before I landed a great gig. Obviously it doesn't work out that way for everyone buy crying about it gets your nowhere. I am not surprised she was disgusted at all.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
It's in their nature to stab us in the back.
therhymerr 8y ago
the womans response is pretty alpha if you ask me...