One of the key tenants of Red Pill is that women act like children. There are many reasons for this. Women are not held accountable for their actions growing up, so they are completely new to the concept of accountability. If a woman sucks a dick, she tells a realy long story about how she was put in a dick sucking situation. Women don't realy believe in their own agency. That's why they often believe in cosmic forces like fate and patriarchy, because nothing they ever do is their fault. If women don't take responsibility for their actions, someone else has to. That's why we have to treat women like children. Obviously, some woman is going to read this have a cascade of feels and then deal with said feels in the most immature way possible.
While Red Pill theory has definitely harsh view of women, the practical application isn't as anti-social as our detractors believe.
One of the things that children suck at, is regulating their internal state. They're too little to know if their hungry, sleepy or if they need to go for a walk. When a child throws a tantrum its often not about the toy, there is often some underlying issue you need to take care of.
As stupid as its sounds you can completely avoid a lot of arguments by ignoring everything she says and going for the underlying problem. I cant believe you never told me that you X! Aww is she hungry. She gets this way when shes hungry. Then just feed her some Greek yogurt or something, and the problem will go away. Or just take her for a walk around the block, because shes just anxious from being at work the entire day.
Red Pill holds that male leadership is the cornerstone of a good relationship. Sometimes that means treating her like a child.
Braydonmire 10y ago
Go fuck yourself, Elliot Rodgers.
W-Z-R 11y ago
The practical application is great
Women enjoy being treated as children so much; you just don't say tell them this is what you are doing
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watersign 11y ago
it is funny watching someone squirm when logical, researched topics are written.
gatchipatchi 11y ago
But it sounds like she had to sacrifice morals and join in on a sexist system in order to avoid being frustrated and to be taken seriously.
Although i dont think its deplorable when women do questionable things in order to survive -- afterall, its survival -- i dont see how resisting inappropriate behavior and standing up for yourself is the childish option. If anything, id say its the more mature option.
BenMeWimmins 11y ago
If women are really like this (and I think they are), fuck 'em. Why the fuck would I want to have to raise a grown woman who is actually a child? I DON'T WANT KIDS.
Is it really worth jumping through all these hoops and putting up with all this shit just to get laid?
watersign 11y ago
There's a reason prostitution is the "worlds oldest profession"
NintyNineProblems 11y ago
From reading the Op and top comment I get the gist of what agency means, but I don't quite fully understand. Could someone define it for me?
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Jade196 11y ago
Sometimes, you need to treat a person as an adult for them to act like an adult. If you treat someone like a child, they may act like a child.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that you don't want to be an enabler. Don't you want the woman you are with to grow up and act like more of an adult?
Sure, you have to take her current level of maturity into mind and deal with her on that level, but you have to be careful not to enable her to continue acting like a kid forever.
kilroymercator 11y ago
Aww, OP sounds a little hungry I think. Maybe you should stop thinking about such grand subjects like that, dear. Would you like me to cut up a steak for you?
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What the fuck? That's all I have to say.
fx-115es 11y ago
Gentleman, there is more to this.
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whiteknightrelief 11y ago
fantastic counter-argument...I'm so wet right now
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WhiteHatRasta 11y ago
We must never speak of this. Please everyone burn up your copies...
also,
jakethesnake76 11y ago
But atleast mothers are good protectors right ??http://i.imgur.com/JU17v7S.gif
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the_irish_kid123 11y ago
Amen
watersign 11y ago
part of me running game on girls is talking to them like little kids..which most of them are
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My mind has not been blown like this for a while. Girl I know used that same term a week ago, a 'dick sucking situation.' Once again, if you didn't want to suck his dick, you probably shouldn't have sucked his dick. I didn't want to, so I didn't. I'm actually not sucking his dick right now, it's crazy how easy it is.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
That's interesting. A girl told me about why she gave so many handjobs - she'd be in a "handjob situation" and then she wouldn't be stuck having to have sex with a guy.
It baffles me how women consistently end up in these kind of super-shitty situations. Aren't women supposed to be really good at sensing "creeps"?
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Ignas1234 11y ago
women also like children are bad at seeing connection between their actions and consequences, and because of that they like children will often blame others for bad things happened to them
for example they choose to work for a living but then bitch about men not paying for dinners and buying gifts for them, they choose to put on revealing clothes but then bitch and moan how men and society are objectifying them they choose to pursue careers or occupy traditionaly male dominated fields but then bitch how men shows little interest in them
just like a kid playing on the road then he shouldnt and get hit by the car
and this is why men in the past were held accountable for actions of their wifes in legal system and wymim were not allowed to vote
more gold at http://manhood101.com
5hogun 11y ago
Lost me at "tenants".
Doomsday_ 11y ago
Exactly. This is because most of what women say is the expression of how they feel at the time. That's why it's pointless to argue with them on the basis of logic or to try to address "issues" that they bring up.
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FugitiveAlpha 11y ago
To make it seriously obvious.
The woman is pissed off because she's not eaten in a while, shes hungry and thats just no good in her mind.
She starts a fight with you about some stupid little thing you said, or that she made up.
Do you :
A: argue about the dumb shit that she made up?
B: Give her a fucking chocolate shake (TM) and watch her smile?
Don't limit this to being hungry, they "feel" a certain way, but they usually aren't aware of it (happens to guys too) and they act out thinking that the emotion they are feeling is tied to this one thing or whatever. You know damned well it wasn't the guy that cut her off that has her this pissed off 5 hours later, so you address what realyl has her pissed off.
tedted8888 11y ago
Can someone define "agency"? I have never heard it in this context, and dictionary.com doesn't help.
VelociReactor 11y ago
Guys why are we down-voting him? He's asking an honest question.
randomkloud 11y ago
downvotes on trp have little meaning.
tedted8888 11y ago
fwiw, the mods should ad "agency" to the glossary of terms.
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tedted8888 11y ago
I guess I would call that "responsibility" rather than agency. I'm an american from the northwest. Are you from Australia or another English speaking country? I'm curious since this you and some others on this sub are using this word in a fashion I am unfamiliar with. Perhaps this is just specific lingo from this sub?
Epicureanist 11y ago
Agency is a more specific term, often used in philosophy when discussing free will, human choice ,etc, while responsibility is more often used with morality (culpability).
aaron_the_just 11y ago
"Agency" is an academic term used by philosophers across English speaking countries.
gg_s 11y ago
Agency is ownership of one's own outcome. People who lack agency believe their missteps and shortcomings are caused by external factors: fate, misfortune, patriarchy, planetary alignment, etc. It is responsibility specifically for oneself.
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Rollo-Tomassi 11y ago
It's not about talking down to, or treating a woman like a child – that's patronization. It's much better to treat women with Amused Mastery. You avoid the patronization and maintain a superior frame:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/09/14/amused-mastery/
trudatness 11y ago
When you combine the knowledgeable supportive frame that defeats all challenges for authenticity with the tacit non-verbal queues of amused mastery - you run shit.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
My wife is a lawyer with an exclusive service contract with a huge company for about $12,000 -$14,000 profit each month.
But....
Often she will come home just needing to tell a long ridiculous story that has nothing to do with anything. Before TRP I had no idea how to handle this. I would try to handle each situation as she spoke of them and she would get more and more pissed off. Now when she gets like that I order her to "come here" and then hug her like I am consoling a little girl while she prattles on about nothing, really. I just listen while she rattles on about random everyday encounters into which she has read deep meaning. It is actually a very nice, warm fuzzy, for both of us, I think. When she has exhausted herself I give her a kiss, a strong hug, then I order her to not worry about it, and promise that everything is going to be fine. You handled it just fine.
Yep, kind of like you would for a tantrum throwing 6 y/o. Right down to patting her on the shoulder as you leave as a final reassurance. OP has a point.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
My custom when lady comes home after a hard day is to listen intently (whilst thinking about something else), then encourage her to enjoy a massage... then work the clothes off, while she keeps on talking, then really go after the neck and shoulders.
Usually by then she's completely forgotten what she was ranting about (and so have I), and there's enough massage oil around for easy entry of a finger or two "back there".
nrjk 11y ago
In da butt!? Get it.
Darkseekerr 11y ago
And this is why woman do need a positive male model in their life. Woman constantly do what they want because bluepill men just let them do it. I also like to point out that woman like to act out and try to push the bounds of what they can get away with all the time. I'm not sure why they do this.
Lokikong 11y ago
One thing I did was date a woman too far away and I did too much for her while receiving too little. I ended up kinda of melting down from a lack of not taking good care of myself and tried to ask for her attention instead of just taking it or putting the situation in my favor. Lack of sleep, excess stress and getting to caught up in her made me act like a beta and she lost all interest in me.
It's a shame but there is a huge double standard on this where men must always provide themselves with accountability even when it would be normally viewed to crack a little bit. Women will never be able to empathize with a worn down dude, it's best to just excuse yourself from their presence and cancel a date rather then show a weak side of you.
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Lokikong 11y ago
Yeah I put myself out of focus. I'm working on myself right now because she is still interested in me but is kinda of put a little bit. She is liking a lot of my fb posts and status' but I'm having a hard time trying to communicate with her. I got put in the wrong mindset where I'm to emotional and girls like it when you can connect to their emotions but not if you are expressing more emotions or bad emotions in a way she can't understand. It's time to be a man and take my problems for my own but also I need to stand out in the things I excel at and not worry about other opinions so much, especially hers. The attraction is still real and I feel it, I just have to figure out how to turn things around in my favor and in my terms more or less. Also patience with scheduling and taking it a day at a time. I have plenty of other things that I can work on to improve me self worth.
Edit: So update on my recent venture in the 'game'(as some like to call it), I had a bit of a falling out and I realized what I did wrong and what I could've done but I over apologized and she shut me out. Realizing I was only pushing her away, I stayed away. It sucked really bad knowing I hurt her and hurt even more that she was ignoring me but acting desperate, weak, and pleading only made everything worse and made her more repulsed. I turned things around and told her that I didn't have any need to talk to her and waited a week. She hit me up and we started talking fine but I ended up trying to do too much and things are a little standoffish. I figure if I stay aloof yet active this will melt away and she come back to me through her attraction for me.
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Lokikong 11y ago
Hey it's not bad to keep your options open. We just need to not put all of our eggs in one basket.
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
Believe me I know the feeling. Had a really stressful month last month. Had very little support from my LTR. Despite knowing I was having a rough month, she only added to my stress by ramping up the bitchiness, not talking to me as much, definitely not going out of her way to comfort or calm me down after a bad day. And women are supposed to be the sympathetic ones, right?
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
She ramped up the bitchiness because you lost your frame. Night....Day. Ya canna change the laws of physics.
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
Lesson learned, brother. It looks like March will be as or more stressful than Feb. Not letting it fuck my frame up this time.
Lokikong 11y ago
Yeah I know right? But it is nice we are talking again after a break. I'm just not sure how to put the cards in my favor.
Lokikong 11y ago
Like seriously I had her eating out of the palm of my hand she loved everything about me until I went into to beta mode once from not loving myself and done she didn't want to talk to me again. Maybe later down the road I'll get a chance with her again but for now lesson learned. Time to be alpha as fuck and keep up with the self improvement.
FugitiveAlpha 11y ago
Nearly exactly same thing happened to me. The only difference is that i was aware of what i had to do, but she was going to move in with me and bring her son, so i was more accommodating than i should have been because i was trying to prepare for him. Otherwise, it was nearly the exact same situation..
trudatness 11y ago
My wife deals with million dollar accounts and is leaned on heavily by super ultra serious business men for information that is imperative for formulating their business intelligence. She really is a brilliant woman and there is no doubt I am better for knowing her.
Having said all that, she constantly has to combat emotion in order to continue to make rational choices when dealing with clients. Early on in our relationship she was constantly saying Because I'm a woman... this and Because I'm a woman... that.
She had firmly planted in her head this victim complex, that every person she dealt with in these male dominated circles had a bias against her because she was a woman. She observed that women populated support roles - worker bees - as she called it and men largely comprised the decision making roles. If she tried to contribute substantive perspectives to decision makers she was often met with resistance. She verbalized her frustration to me by saying I'm being told "Just go stand in the corner with your skirt on and we'll tell you when you are needed".
Obviously those words weren't being uttered to her, but that was her interpretation of the reactions she received.
I pointed out a local woman in her field who's a very successful business woman - and asked her why this woman is taken extremely seriously by her business peers despite this bias she says is pervasive.
Well she's a real bitch my wife said. While this may or may not be true the perception among women is in order for them to break the glass ceiling they have to be cunts.
I told her she had to shed this victim complex. But it's not faa-iir! She told me. She had a bad case of solipsism and victimhood running. Through the course of our intimate discussions, I told her basically that men experience professional difficulty and lack of fairness all the time. Not every man gets promoted to management. Not every man gets taken as seriously as they want to by managers. I related many of my personal stories about being shit on by bosses.
Everyone gets shit on by bosses - it's called paying your dues. It has nothing to do with gender. What was holding her back was her personal victim complex - not bias.
Case in point - she has a client - biggest in the firm. The owner is a wise old fox - a southern gentleman with largely a traditional view on life. Over the years, he has by and large defaulted all serious business conversations with the senior partner in her firm - who is male - even though she does all the work for him.
For a long time, this outraged her. Why wasn't she taken seriously? She expressed to me that she no longer wanted to handle this account because the old guy was a sexist asshole. This would have not been the wisest career move.
I remember speaking with her that night. Basically I told her what the man's personal opinion was of women was non-consequential. If he's sexist shitbag - who cares? You smile and work the account. You do what you have to do to keep the checks from his office continuing to roll in. Then when you get paid... You laugh all the way to the bank. If he wants to have austere convos over lunch with the senior partner - who he's known for 30-40 years let him - after all he's writing the checks isn't he?
I was a waiter for many years. Many, many customers treated me like shit. I had an iron smile through it all and gained glorious satisfaction from people giving me 20-30% even though they shit on me during service. It's not fucking personal - it's business. The question always is What do I need to do to keep getting paid in this situation? - It's never What does the customer/client need to do to make me happy?
This concept was like a revelation to my wife. Is that how men think?
Fuck yeah it is.
So the next day the senior partner calls her into his office and asked her what was up with the account and what was her temperature on it...
I just have to do whatever it takes to keep him writing checks to us... She told him.
I knew I could count on you The senior partner said.
That moment was like a break in my wife's mindset and her perspective dramatically changed.
Fast forward to now... It's my wife going on these business lunches and talking shop with the guys from this company - not the senior partner. Why? Because my wife shed her victim complex and focused completely on the task at hand. Even though old habits die hard, she's able to recognize when emotion is interfering with logic.
She'll bounce shit off me and I'll tell her my opinion and that has been a very successful formula for her.
I think this story ties in perfectly with what GLO is saying about women failing to recognize their personal agency. Women are not categorically inferior to men intellectually. They have all the ability in the world to be successful and achieve professionally and personally.
What holds them back is a lack of personal agency. In the business world, this becomes a glass ceiling. In the world of sexual strategy, dating and personal relationships - the vacuum of personal agency has to be filled by men, because men desire relationships with women. This manifests in a myriad of ways - from biased family courts - to the moving goalpost of rape definition - to high divorce rates - and so on. Men are reacting to this increasing lack of agency on the part of women, by treating relationships more casually. Men are becoming more self-interested because their increased agency increases their risk. Some men are going their own way and not engaging in male-female relationships at all.
GLO playfully (as usual) says the solution is to treat women like crying toddlers and look past their whining and seek out root cause (Greek yogurt and walk). He's mocking women to get them to see their own folly (heh negging). My solution was to have a series of well made points - exemplified by personal experience. Once I convinced my wife to put what I was telling her into practice and she discovered the immediate success in it - she was a believer. Then again, my wife is probably more pragmatic than most.
TL;DR: You won't be taken seriously without agency. You can't have equality without agency. Men will increasingly become self-interested in reaction to bearing the additional burden of added agency in compensation for women's decreasing agency. Although the perks are sweet in the short run, diminishing agency will create more pervasive barriers for women.
Josephthehun 11y ago
This is side bar worthy. Finally I read a pragmatic approach applying this philosophy without being a total douche.
trudatness 11y ago
I'm glad you enjoyed it. The key is not to hate women, but to understand the cultural reality of which we live in.
The constant sexual attention women get from men has an undeniable effect on their world view.
They feel privileged, yet objectified. Special and high value, yet less worthy. Smart, manipulative and spoiled, yet intimidated by the ability and accomplishments of men.
This can be cause for some irrational thinking. Some do overcome. We call them unicorns. Others, not so much.
The thing is women can shape themselves, (think Sartre), into having any view they wish. They can self-actualize and be rational. Sexual dimorphism doesn't make them stupid and/or incapable of emotional self awareness.
They can reach the proverbial high achievement holy grail - and more and more do everyday. However, the rewards of being sexually desired and the default recipient of society's collective empathy is proving to be very difficult to turn away from.
Many are narcisissts and see no real reason to challenge themselves to be anything else. Some cannot free themselves from the perceptual constructs of what's been reinforced to them their entire lives - that ultimately the responsibility over their personal fortune and well being should somehow fall on the shoulders of someone else.
That manifests in a default expectation and a knee-jerk indignation when it doesn't come to fruition. It's very easy to see this kind of behavior and label it as being emotionally immature.
When my wife saw the folly of believing it solely because she was a woman that she was experiencing difficulty, it was an eye opener.
Actually, it was a pretty cool moment.
Now she recognizes destructive behavior the women in her work circle engage in and she laughs. She's seeing 50+ year old women act like absolute children because they perceive themselves as victims. When the truth is - it's all about the job - it's not about them - but they can't see it. The majority of their struggles are caused by their own myopic selfish preoccupation. It causes them to behave badly and not engender the trust of coworkers.
Once my wife was authentically able to shed that mindset and be all about business, it gave her a contagious confidence. It's amazing how it's helped her professionally.
Josephthehun 11y ago
That's such an awesome success story. I'm all about breaking out of social constructs especially in such a fantastic way that your wife did with your gentle help.
Redpill is great because it's a base of which men can start to look at trends in relationships between the two genders. I personally don't think things will ever change dramatically unless artificially reinforced. Women and men are like the ying-yang. You happened to find your ying. She may have lived a typical bluepill life and through life experiences you were able to help guide her into a redpill realization. Fuck, a healthy man needs to exercise his ability to improve his environment, he can help guide his family and his wife. Redpill is a good basis for this type of reasoning, but it might push too far into, "treat the women as a child" territory. Thats essentially manipulating, which is exhaustive for both parties, and you get no were because she won't learn from baby talk. Borderline mental abuse. Reason with your chick, if she's crazy or does not understand then move the fuck on.
slavetothought 11y ago
Thank you. I've been following this subreddit for months and this is the first bit of content I've felt comfortable with upvoting. I've been waiting for a long time for the red pill to take this sort of shift in attitude and am hoping the attention you're receiving will be what allows us to actually reach the other side of the pond that we are so very frustrated with. Stay true buddy and congrats to your wife for respecting you as an individual.
trudatness 11y ago
Well saying that women are all stupid and incapable won't pass any test of logical proof.
That doesn't mean that women don't exhibit common behaviors and carry common beliefs.
I won't lie - it's somewhat rewarding to point out that some of these common traits that women refuse to admonish are the very things that hold them back.
What's even more crazy is that gender activists claim that a mystical force called the Patriarchy is the root cause of all their difficulties.
Women are now fully integrated into the same rat race men are (and have been for some time now). They can do whatever or be whatever they choose. The only things holding them back are their own lack of will and ability on an individual level - which holds mirror true for men.
However, women still expect special exceptions and privilege and yet somehow are angry they are not getting enough. The folly of it is difficult to conceptualize. Often it seems the final goal for gender activists is for women to all receive monthly checks from former lovers while retaining the ability to jail and slander them arbitrarily. I'd like to say that's a parody of reality - but it is not.
Having agency means having personal responsibility over one's own condition. Women claim to not have agency. They say they are victims. They do it because they want to use guilt as a means to increase their privilege.
I, for one, can't accept that as intellectually coherent.
Man or woman we all experience fulfillment from our achievements. It just seems like a more healthy way of engaging life than throwing a tantrum and getting people to give you shit you don't deserve.
SupALupRT 11y ago
good reply
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This needs to be it's own post, it's superb.
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trudatness 11y ago
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Goupidan 11y ago
Now what do you mean with agency?
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Kudos on your post. You elucidated not only how many women feel and think but the way it impacts how they manage aspects of their lives.
While you used your wife's (PERCEIVED) situation at work that same example can be applied to how women handle themselves in personal relationships. This is where feminism has failed us women. How to not take things personally and focus on the positives of being a woman is not the message. Instead we are taught that we are just like men, if not better, but that we are also the victims of men. It's a messy lesson plan and not pro woman at all when you think about it.
*Side note: you mentioned your wife's pragmatism and that's important. Your advice sunk in because of it. If a man is dealing with a BSC woman the results may not have been as successful. I know this because a lot of my BSC friends don't get it.
redpillbanana 11y ago
Great story. To be honest, many men would also do well by following this advice.
It's great to see these situations where you can utter one line and it puts everyone completely at ease. When your wife said, "I just have to do whatever it takes to keep him writing checks to us..." I can just imagine how the body language of the senior partner changed - he probably looked at her, maybe a bit surprised at first, relaxed his body, tilted his head a bit, and broke out in a huge smile.
trudatness 11y ago
The disclaimer here is that anything necessary denotes anything legal and ethical of course.
But yeah... He did smile. I know the partner pretty well. He's a good dude by anyone's definition, and he's a pretty smart business man. He's got a reputation in the community as being a straight shooter and many of the old school, old money business interests seek him out for these kinds of business discussions.
It's no insult to my wife that people look past her to his office to discuss matters of business. If anything, it's to her credit now that she's starting to be seen in the same light.
I personally believe that stereotypes get formed from commonalities exhibited in certain types of people, however I'm not an absolutist.
There's a big difference between the two women I married.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to take credit for my wife's successes, just as she shouldn't take credit for mine. However, I've brought the best out her and she's definitely contributed to the progress I've made. I don't at all believe that this belies TRP principles. I think it reinforces them.
When you create a positive cycle in an LTR good things happen. I've long believed that true wealth comes from the strength of the family. It only becomes fully realized when the Patriarch and the Matriarch are together with their children and their children's children. The true strength comes from the collective talents of all of the family individuals interacting with a minimum of dysfunction. Financial wealth is a natural by product of this success.
Too many people put too much emphasis in getting the Lexus by 28 years old. That's not as important as building something real and lasting.
Feminism is a doctrine of selfishness, loathing and manipulation. Nothing reflects this more than how feminists regard families. Unfortunately, when forging business relationships these kinds of attitudes can be counter intuitive. It is difficult to build trust dealing with someone who is a tornado of egocentricism. Who's interests do they serve? The Shareholders and the Stakeholders? Or their own myopic concerns?
redpillbanana 11y ago
Well-said. If you're able to build a family that works as a team and builds on the talents of the individual members, then that seems extremely RP to me.
Regarding feminism, I wrote something similar to this in another thread:
TRP: self-actualization
Feminism: self-pedestalization
QQ_L2P 11y ago
Heh, true words. Though I can imagine just about how well your post was met.
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Dexter77 11y ago
They also use it as a weapon. I have been twice in a situation where a female project manager has screwed up big time and when held accountable for the actions, instead of explaining them they have started to cry. At that point all the white knights have jumped to defend her and every mistake have been forgotten.
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Oh dear Lord, I would hope to never work for a company like that =(
Dexter77 11y ago
In my case they were customer's (public sector) project managers. You can choose your employer but not the customers :-(
HeadingRed 11y ago
Agreed- and also use up more of your time. As a boss and a team member it is quite amazing the amount of face time a woman requires vs. a man. I had to train myself to say "how did that make you feel". I did this to get to what was needed- once feelings were expressed actionable information could be exchanged. Without this emotional palette cleansing there would be too much color obfuscating the substance.
trudatness 11y ago
My sister in law - who is a fantastic woman - beautiful, professionally accomplished and a mother of two - an adult by anyone's definition - accidentally cut her finger rather deeply with a kitchen knife at my house about a month ago.
She cried like a baby - not loud sobbing per se, but the tears were flowing big time.
I was like You're crying...? Really...?
She huffed at me I'm a girl!
So yeah.
MichaelKeaton 11y ago
What I really don't get are the females who act his way (cry about the tiniest things) and then go on a tirade about how women are sooooo much stronger than men because childbirth hurr durr. By simply connecting the dots I'm going to have to assume that childbirth, while certainly painful, is probably not as painful as women make it out to be. Pretty much every female I've ever had a "who can tolerate more pain" argument with falls back to childbirth. EVEN IF the female involved in the argument hasn't even had a kid.
christiefrontdrive 11y ago
It is also amusing that the childbirth argument you so often hear never seems to include the part about a birthing mother's brain releasing natural painkillers, or perhaps the more important point that while giving birth is terribly uncomfortable, given that the father of th child will spend the next 18 years working like a dog to give the child food and shelter, maybe we can call it even.
lolyzor 11y ago
well what they see is that hey have to endure that child birth but then they work is done, someone take care of me, hey you I did this take care of me, society etc, look at how much I have suffered. WTF if I expect someone to congratulate me every time I suffer as a man Ill be constantly saying how much of a bad life I have, oh wait, that is exactly what are they doing... :D
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trudatness 11y ago
I would suggest putting out a bowl of chocolates (without saying anything) at the time of the month where their menstrual cycles have synced to see if you could keep productivity constant.
The_Determinator 11y ago
You're on some fortune 500 shit with that one!
trudatness 11y ago
Women are not all dipshits. I work with several very talented, bright, well accomplished professional ladies.
But... I have seen some dipshits in my day.
Back when I was waiter/bartender, there was this one woman I worked with who was in her 20s and had an affair with a man in his 60s who happened to be the FOH manager. He was said to be attractive for a 60 year old man, but he was still fucking 60 - likely equipped with a gray bush and old man balls.
The company took good care of him - he drove a nice car and had a nice condo. He got cancer, unfortunately and died.
This fucking cunt had him at her house while he was dying pushing papers in front of him to sign. The man's best friend was in Europe on vacation and somehow found out the situation and sent the head waiter over to the girls house. The head waiter kicked the door in - backhanded this bitch and took the dying man out of there and brought him to the hospital. His daughters were called and flew in just in time to be with him before he died.
In the days there shortly afterwards, we saw the girl driving the man's car. She had it for the balance of the lease somehow - like 8 months.
I've seen some shit in my time. I've seen women act terribly and without conscience - including my own ex wife. Woman can be the biggest fucking assholes imaginable. Nobody should automatically assume a woman is good by nature.
The_Determinator 11y ago
Thirsty needy bitches man.
If I didn't want to throw myself into the deep end of the "dating game" before, this subreddit has only helped...
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trudatness 11y ago
This is the kind shit that makes me laugh at white knights
positiveeagle 11y ago
To Translate this to Womanese:
You're ready to leave the club because your girl friend is sick so you head to grab your coat. You ask for the coat and the coat guy says it'll take a few extra minutes to find it. Coat guy says,"So...you come here often?"(the coat really isn't lost somewhere, he just wants to pick this girl up) You say, "listen, I just want my coat I really have to go." Coat guy rages back,"SO YOU THINK IM UGLY?!" "No, I just want my coat because I really have to go."
The coat guy is the working women, the women is the boss, the coat is work, the rage is crying, and wanting to interact with the girl is wanting to be accepted in the work place.
RedPillDad 11y ago
Brilliant stuff. Most women have little capacity or desire to truly lead.
trudatness 11y ago
Some do want the challenge. They want to get that satisfaction from being successful and continue to progress in their careers.
However, it's difficult to do that if you constantly think that you're a victim. You're not going to earn the trust of your peers if you are constantly whining with egocentric obsession. Nobody is going to trust that the best interests of the business case are going to be prioritized.
SgtSplacker 11y ago
Something that has not been mentioned yet... If my managers heard me spew some everyone is against me nonsense they would completely lose faith in me as a person and my work. And we all know this is on the forefront of most women's thoughts. It's the racism/sexism itself that holds so many back.
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I experience this on a daily basis. My "boss" is a young woman. She is not the most qualified and is only in the job because the previous department head passed away while she was the assistant. I have a good 4 years work and much more life experience on her.
I am definitely the leader of the department, frequently telling her the correct way to get things done. She doesn't seem to play the victim, but she does just coast through it all. I'm going to try and make a play for the department head.
widec 11y ago
Don't make a play right away, stop advising her, and if she's really a bad manager the whole department will go to hell quick. At that point you can easily step up and dethrone her.
Enphuego 11y ago
If he makes her look great, his team will do really well which is good for promotions all around. She'll know that he is indispensable and will be frightened to lose him so she'll be forced to be closely allied with him. If she gets promoted, he'll have an easy time getting her job. If he wants a raise, she won't have much of a choice. If she jumps ship to some other company, he'll probably get her job and an offer from her new company.
OP's going to need to ditch the chip on his shoulder and show the pragmatism expressed above. She may be less qualified, but correcting her is always going to be a mistake. Even if she's less qualified at the actual job, she may be able to use her skills with people to push him right out of the job if he is deemed a threat.
The other option of letting her fall flat is a risky gamble that can backfire in a lot of ways.
dman8000 11y ago
It depends on his office environment and her competence. Some employers will see that the department is doing decently(but not great) thanks to his competence canceling out with her incompetence. They will just leave things as they are.
Generally, I would suggest doing your job well and helping out when asked, but if your boss makes dumb decisions, let her.
NikolaTeslaMGTOW 11y ago
Never outshine the master. Laws of Power #1
http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.ca/2013/10/law-1-never-outshine-master.html
Always make those above you feel comfortably superior. In your desire to please or impress them, do not go too far in displaying your talents or you might accomplish the opposite – inspire fear and insecurity. Make your masters appear more brilliant than they are and you will attain the heights of power
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I've been in my job for about a year, so its not a new or right away thing. I advise as much as I have to, there are only two of us in our department so we both look bad if things fall too much. But yes, the ball is dropped, noticeably, at least twice a month.
What I will find interesting is I'm at a point where I either move up or leave completely. It will be a funny situation.
widec 11y ago
I'm just saying, it's not going to be easy to take her position if things are going well, they'll see no reason to replace her. However, if you let her do her thing and she messes up constantly, the higher up will be glad that you want to step up and run things better.
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i don't expect it to be easy, i don't expect anything really. but I am a person with nothing to lose, my career has many possible options
DaBuddahN 11y ago
Long time lurker here on TRP ... I subbed just to upvote this comment and save it forever.
SgtSplacker 11y ago
Great post, I actually read the whole thing. You are spot on, man. And it's a tuffie because you can't tell women sexism doesn't exist. It does, but it's the same BS everyone has to deal with. Blacks and women live their lives thinking everything is because of their gender or color. You must move past that. Everyone suffers the same things just in different ways. And if you let that nonsense consume you then you are losing before the race even begins.
25r624 11y ago
What kind of ass backwards rhetoric is this? I don't think live my life thinking all everything that bad happens due to my race. All races don't suffer the "same things in different ways." That doesn't even make sense. Seriously, how is something the same if it manifests itself differently?
nat_co_17 11y ago
This deserves gold
TehFuggernaut 11y ago
I've been trying to explain this to a woman I work with. I wish I could copy/paste this to her, but she's 17 years my senior and it's not worth over-stepping my bounds. She literally gets upset/sends emotional emails to everyone that comes back to her with a problem. I notice the CS girls doing the same, internally.
SgtSplacker 11y ago
I really think the only reason their worked is because it was his wife. Any other relation and you would see some real hostility.
trudatness 11y ago
Try telling what I said to my wife to an unaffiliated female co-worker...
You would probably get reported to HR - which is a female dominated business segment. You probably will have a bad result even though the advice is rock solid sound.
EvrythingISayIsRight 11y ago
You hurt my feelings so I'm telling on you at its finest.
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Oh yea? LOL....
What about uglyism? Or heightism? Or skincolor ism? Or "that guy has a weird name" ism. Or "not enough experience" ism.
Give me a fucking break. If any woman complains about "sexism" the appropriate response is to laugh in her face, and tell her to get over herself.
You think my life is a fucking cakewalk, bitch? Everybody has to deal with discrimination and prejudice. Get the fuck over yourself. I'm not white, and I have a weird fucking ethnic name (not smart enough to get a "white" name like asians), I have no doubt that my resume was immediately thrown in the trash at countless places based on the name at the top. I seriously felt like everybody was against me for a long time. But you know what, you get over it, and do the best with the hand you are dealt.
170612 11y ago
That's literally the exact shit that he just said.
Except he said it without whining.
TehFuggernaut 11y ago
Same boat - mixed ethnicity guy that constantly gets called Indian or Arab with a funny first name. It's really peachy in the USA.
billiegoad 11y ago
I was thinking of changing my name too. And you're right. Even if you're a white guy under 6 foot tall in a major corporation you're going to go no where, women get the promotions and thrive on the backs of those of us that put the rubber to the road.
bicepsblastingstud 11y ago
Congratulations, you managed to read an entire post about personal agency and completely miss the point.
billiegoad 11y ago
I got the point. I chose to comment on the the inequities in the work place.
billiegoad 11y ago
now I know why banks fail, the country is going bankrupt and we go from one financial debacle to the next. good post though. They say you can't win an argument with a woman, one is about emotions and the other is about logic and rationale. I won't say which is which.
HeadingRed 11y ago
Holy shit was that good. I have tried to do the same with my GF with minor success.
Great job.
monsieurhire2 11y ago
Very well written post; I agreed with much of what you've said, and I know many women like that. Unfortunately, they are an outlier.
As you said, "then again, my wife is probably more pragmatic than most."
To work the professional field, you have to internalize a certain mindset traditionally reserved for men, but adoptable by women. Your wife had mostly adopted that mindset, but was struggling with a few issues. To be fair, plenty of men have similar issues. I know I hated being shat on at work, and would let it get to me, until finally I figured out to just do the job until I could get a better one.
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Being a mother is an important role. A man can never be that.
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iluminatiNYC 11y ago
Thank you for this, and thanks to trudatness for the original comment. Women tend to be at their best and in their comfort zone when they aren't directly going for a goal but more setting patterns and developing relationships. If you want to be cold and logical about it (and in a way that would tick off ~95% of the women in the world if you told them like this), that is what mothering and nurturing requires. You don't just feed and clothe a kid like a machine. You talk to children, interact with them, create an environment where they can grow.
Likewise, in the workforce, women tend to be better at developing relationships and creating the patterns needed for long-term success. In trudatness' wife's case, she was trying to develop a relationship with a dude who just wanted a job done. Once she was able to understand what the deal was, life became a lot easier for her, and she was able to connect on the man's level. In a way, she took the red pill about how men truly communicate, and got results that way. It isn't that women aren't intelligent as much as they don't understand that their main mode of thinking isn't always the best way for all situations. Tools for the job, my friends...
Usherai 11y ago
No, women generally ARE children who are limited by their feels. Being governed by emotion and lacking responsibility is why they are children. A man can develop their strengths and rein in their weaknesses by giving them stability to hold on to. Without that they are like a ship with no anchor.
Notice that the wife was only able to recognize her problems and address them because her rp husband guided her. Women aren't doomed to remain children, but left to their own devices they will. Even the strengths of women, stemming from their emotional nature, although great and unique to them are reliant upon a masculine force to direct them properly.
The ideal thing would be that their fathers helped them develop past the point of a child, but in lieu of that a husband can, if she isn't too damaged. Still the fact is that 90% of women you'll deal with are still extremely childish to the point that you literally cannot treat them like adults to any positive effect.
trudatness 11y ago
I think that when women believe the hype streamed into their collective conscience by feminists - that they are all victims of the cosmic forces of the patriarchy - then the effect is definitely counter-productive to what the stated goals of feminism are.
I think it's more accurate to say that it is 100% possible for women to be as high achieving as men, but only if they shed their victim identities.
The transcendent revelation doesn't necessarily have to come from an RP husband or other related male influence. I personally believe it is well within a woman's capabilities to see through the shit going on all around them within their sphere of influences.
The question is do they - or will they? Not without the right primers.
It all depends what a woman truly wants out of life. Does she want to rigidly cling to the safety net of victimhood? Or does she want to shed that in favor of self-reliance? That seems directly related to the individual talents of the woman and her level of personal ambition.
A good % of women seem insistant on pushing forth the message of perpetual victimhood. After all, getting tax free money every month and retaining the ability to torch the people they don't like with unsubstantiated accusations are privileges women have become accustomed to having - not to mention the inherent perks of hypergamy. Why would they want to knowingly give those things up? Those things reduce the overall difficulty of life. They probably wouldn't advocate true egalitarianism (not bullshit feminist defined egalitarianism) unless it was in their immediate personal interests.
When anyone lives life with a victim complex and amplifies the effect of it by being egocentric - then by definition they refuse to accept responsibility for their condition and think only of themselves. It's very easy to compare this type of behavior to that of a child.
Any person of any gender can fall into the trap of this mindset - it's not restrictive to women. I think that it just so happens that the present day cultural definition of "The gender struggle" funnels women into these perceptual sets. It's only when women truly discover that this kind of thing holds them back do they abandon it. Many women are quite content to live life with their established privileges. In fact, they seem to enjoy the privileges they have so much that they want to increase them - not remove them.
If that's the case, then so be it... Until feminism changes it's tune, and stops trying to continually leverage victimhood for advancing privilege, they are going to continue wear the Evil Teenager^TM identity and not be taken seriously by their male peers.
The good news is that if they choose to drop the bullshit victim act, men are generally pretty receptive.
RedPillDad 11y ago
Victimhood is one temptation, manipulation is another. Many women don't work at expanding their potential because it's easier for a woman to latch onto an ambitious man and manipulate him into giving everything she wants.
Biologically, manipulation is an efficient strategy. She can then focus resources on raising the offspring.
trudatness 11y ago
More and more women are wanting the independence that being self sufficient provides them.
The old system of preserving the "lifestyle" of divorced women who are both independent and hypergamous creates hardship for men and children in the form of incentivized divorce and the estrangement the children experience from the fathers that comes afterwards.
Usherai 11y ago
I think this is mostly accurate. I disagree that it is
There are limitations on them because of how much their emotions impact their judgement. Granted many men have this same issue, but overcoming it is easier for men.
iluminatiNYC 11y ago
Dude, women aren't just broken men, they're women. It's like expecting a duck to bark. All that's going to do is get both of you upset. Hey, isn't taking the Red Pill about understanding what women really are instead of getting upset they aren't dudes with boobs and vaginas?
Usherai 11y ago
I'm aware men and women are different. My point isn't that women are broken men, it's that they're broken women. And furthermore, that the fix is male guidance.
trudatness 11y ago
I think we are in position to guide them, because we men have what many of them want (a fully defined self-sufficient personal identity) and we know how to get it and live it.
winnnnnnnnn 11y ago
Usherai good advice being downvoted suggest this sub is being infiltrated by the wrong type of people or maybe their noobs who don't get it yet.
NikolaTeslaMGTOW 11y ago
If we as men are going to neg comments can we at least have the decency to voice why we dislike this opinion. This was at -1 and I am curious as to why it was negged. Im sure we all would like to hear different opinions and gain insight, this is the red pill. We are here to learn. I see nothing wrong with this comment at first glance. If you have issue can you please explain why for our edification? I am not being facetious and am genuinely interested in different opinions if they are sound.
BooksofMagic 11y ago
Reddit fudges the numbers on purpose so -1 on a comment could just be reddit doing it's thing. The other option is - downvoting brigades from other subs happen.
No need to worry about it - just upvote what you think is good material.
vaker 11y ago
It seems to me that voting is skewing towards blue pill in this sub with the influx of a large number of new subscribers. /u/Usherai is correct, and he's an endorsed contributor. People should think twice before voting down an endorsed contributor. While they are not always right, they are more likely to be right than whatever is in the head of random joe newcomer. If random joe newcomer doesn't agree, the problem is more likely with joe's understanding.
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Usherai 11y ago
Is this the same Marie Curie who was the daughter of a man who was a respected math and physics teacher who brought home lab equipment for her, and then the wife of a renowned male physicist with whom she worked on her famous Nobel prize research?
Tell me more about her lack of male guidance in her development...
NikolaTeslaMGTOW 11y ago
Exceptions to rules dont invalidate rules. Nature works in bell curves. Its basically like NAWALT, sure there are some unicorns so NAWALT is a technicality, a plausible deniability, an appeal to man's hope, but it is not something that is likely. Same for the few women in history who did anything.
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trudatness 11y ago
Your posts always seem to skillfully use humor to slice deeply into common misconceptions and reveal uncomfortable truth.
If a woman refuses to accept agency of her own condition, then what other option do you have, but to treat her like a child?
christiefrontdrive 11y ago
Don't feel bad /u/GayLubeOil, you're like one of my top 7 favorite people of all-time. You're up there with Bill Burr, Dale Earnhardt, Erica Campbell, whoever invented cigarettes, and I guess like 2 other people I also find awesome.
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Some Turk or Russian invented cigarettes by using old newspaper to roll tobacco rather than making a cigarillo or smoking a pipe. Brits picked it up in the Crimean war. It'd be easier to make Sir Walter Raleigh a favorite. If not him, Jean Nicot.
Ish_the_Stomach 10y ago
look up the zig zag man on wikipedia... just sayin.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zig-Zag_(company)#Captain_Zig-Zag
Ok, or French. Still Crimean War.
Ish_the_Stomach 10y ago
Wasn't trying to correct, I just remembered liking the story and didn't really wanna do it myself... Thanks
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timoppenheimer 11y ago
Women don't even consider themselves responsible for their own choices. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/27/married-moms-cheat_n_4868716.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular In this survey, the number 1 reason women cheat is to spice things up (approximately equivalent to men cheating because they want to have sex outside the marriage). The next top 4 reasons given, however, are essentially that it's the husband's fault. My understanding of marriage counselling is that men catch tons of flack for giving any of the bottom 4 reasons after cheating on a woman. edit: the reasons that aren't "to spice things up" comprise 65%, which tells me that around 2/3 of cheating mothers view their cheating behavior as someone else's fault.
Stopher 11y ago
I think my main problem with this post is that it comes off like you're saying all women are dumb and I know a lot of retarded men. Seriously. They're fucking stupid. I really don't see redpill as men vs woman.
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zettl 11y ago
"women are like children"
"at no point did I ever comment on women's intellectual capacity"
you fucking idiot
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zettl 11y ago
yeah I'm def gonna gargle ur balls homie
saying that women believe in "cosmic forces" and that they can't take care of themselves or regulate their own behavior has heavy implications toward how you perceive their intelligence level. I shouldn't have to tell you this.
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Eats_Goats 10y ago
good lord what the fuck is this subreddit
zettl 11y ago
yeah good thing we have smart guys like you to guide these childish women. can't even defend your lame ass thesis and instead resort to "gargle these balls." maybe reddit and the world at large would be more receptive to your ideas if you weren't a bunch of fucking idiots
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But, weren't you the fucking idiot that made an outlandishly accusational post,...first ?
"Don't start no shit, won't be no shit" -Lil Jon and the Eastside boyz
I do believe by scrolling up you'll see you used the very negative term :
Real smooth....
zettl 11y ago
because saying that women are like children, that they believe in cosmic forces, that they can't regulate their emotions, that they need a man to guide them and then saying that you didn't comment on their intelligence level is a fucking idiotic thing to say. I felt led to point that out as it seemed like OP was looking to make his thesis seem more acceptable when it clearly is not acceptable by any standard
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Please see: Cosmic forces
Stopher 11y ago
Also, I'm really not trying anything. I'm having a discussion. You had many valid points. I just don't agree with all of them.
Stopher 11y ago
That's what it reads like dude. Don't get mad at me.
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Cyralea 11y ago
This is also why you never take a woman's words seriously. If a child told you they think you're stupid, do you get into a staunch debate with them? No, you laugh it off, and possibly tease them about it.
I almost wonder if women act like that specifically because that's how they were treated by their fathers growing up.
Peteriscoo69 11y ago
This post is spot on! This reminds me of another comment I read a while ago about what women do when they're caught shoplifting. It's from a deleted account that what posting on this video.
libglip 11y ago
|Here's where it gets interesting though, there's another group that acts this way, children. When I have to apprehend a child, the consequences don't seem real to them, they think that they can get out of it by denying it as hard as they can, and they rationalize the shit out of the act.
I think you just described about 80% of politicians.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
I remember being a child. Lying to get out of stuff seemed to make sense and it felt very unjust when I'd get caught.
Eventually I grew up, because real life kept punching me in the nose.
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Most feels that women can't handle without you stepping in can be whittled down to a useful acronym: HALTS.
Hungry
Angry
Lonely
Tired
Sad
As /u/gaylubeoil presented in his example with the greek yogurt and impromptu stroll, when you correctly read her emotions you can act accordingly.
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lmfao
boredinclass2 11y ago
I laughed so fucking hard at this
dontmovedontmoveahhh 11y ago
Greek Yogurt isn't a good source of iron because it contains nonheme iron, only 5% of which is absorbed and also because high calcium foods interfere with the absorption of iron. The only source of heme iron which is more readily absorbed is meat, mollusks are the highest in iron and beef is preferable to chicken or fish.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
Perhaps when GLO says "yoghurt" he's preferring to a rather manlier, more human variety.
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TfahsNoriEht 11y ago
Suckling on gym weights has the same effect. Plus it boosts your immune system.
Red_August 11y ago
As long as you cut it in little pieces for them
allcapsisyelling 11y ago
Does it at least help them poop?
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VelociReactor 11y ago
Don't be ridiculous, girl's don't poop.
IDefyAxioms 11y ago
It's also great in absorbing sugars (like when you eat fruit instead of drinking fruit juice).
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trudatness 11y ago
No amount of fact driven, exemplified wisdom stands in the way of their right to be victims I suppose.
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Your analysis of women isn't wrong. But it's important to note that many men are the same way. Only the helpless feelings are substituted with an immediate resort to violence or uncalled for physical threats.
I think more carefully worded phrase would be that deep undercurrents for women, and men, are functions of base biological desire. For both sexes this includes hunger, anxiety, lack of sleep, and other principal components. For women this often results in an inability to think as logically and critically as a man in a similar scenario, and as a result taking a heavy handed approach towards their care is best (e.g. I'm going to take you to eat at XYZ because you're hungry now. Vs. Where do you want to eat dinner tonight?)
With men there are different issues, such as responding to stressful situations with anger and violence. Or being blinded by rage and unable to make rational choices. This is often remedied by working out or exerting energy. During this process the logical skills of men do not drop as much, but their desires can cause them to focus on very very short term goals (how do I logically/strategically fuck my crazy ex, beat the shit out of this guy, and so forth).
I'm also not suggesting each is as bad as the other, nor am I suggesting your omission of this fact is the same as suggesting men are all perfect. I just wanted to add the other side of the coin.
For example a womens red pill might be "When men are extremely upset/angry try to calm them down, and then just leave them alone. Men can be like animals in states of high sexual/physical arousal, and you will have little chance of convincing them to refocus their view until they calm down."
RPtooLate 11y ago
I believe the helpless feelings in women are due to "appeal to authority" possibly being their primary weapon. Whether or not a man would want to fight would probably depend on if he felt his fists were his "primary weapon" at the moment, but it could also be social or political.
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Kinda off topic but I don't know what to do in those situations. I rarely go out, as it's not my style. But I went in grad school and this guy kept trying to dance with my beautiful flatmate, who I wasn't trying for as I had a great girlfriend. She was from a culture where men are THE protectors. She said no to him, but she was being very polite and having a hard time rejecting him and he was rubbing his hands on her hips etc. she kept looking to me for help, and I just said 'firmly say no.' But she didn't/couldn't. So then she came to me when he wouldn't leave her alone and I just put my arm around her and kept my opposite shoulder to the guy and just pushed him off until he stormed away (got to start my program with an enemy in my dorm, great)
And this is ultimately a large group of smart pretty nerdy grad students from a shared dorm, not some fancy LA club. I obviously got a rush exerting physical dominance and protecting the beautiful women. But I also felt played as I put myself out to help a girl because she was too polite to firmly say no, and she wasn't even my girl!
I still have no idea what I should have done... Not like I think about it often as it wasn't a huge deal, but have mixed feelings.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
Men who try to act like this quickly get a beatdown. Men have social cues and ways of interacting that quickly remove this behaviour from the herd.
Whereas a woman is indeed SUPPOSED to act this way.
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That's strange. I didn't realize that the only time you ever could have a conflict with a man is when you're trying to fuck him.
But without a level headed understanding of how genders differ, and our own shortfalls, we risk becoming solipsistic ourselves.
FugitiveAlpha 11y ago
You don't have to put up with a guys shit ever, because you don't want to fuck him, there is nothing holding you to his bullshit. When you want to fuck a woman, you have to deal with the whole "woman" thing.
It's "snake theory" , if you grab a snake by the middle and it bites you, your the asshole, not the snake. When you engage in some form of relationshit with a woman, and she behaves like a woman,,, what did you expect
lightfire409 11y ago
Before everyone cries about how misogynist this is, do you hate children? Why do you think comparing women to children means we hate them? To see the female gender as less emotionally stable is not hateful or spiteful, but an act of observation. Its certainly sexist, i'll concede that!
Its a good observation gaylubeoil, and a reminder to not take women at face value, and dig a little deeper into their behavior patterns.
Red_August 11y ago
In my experience, be warned that when you adjust your view by accepting this reality, you might become patronising at first. I was, but one quickly adjusts.
Notinjuschillin 11y ago
This is so true...in my experience I don't let her know i'm treating her like a child. They want to feel like they have a say in the relationship when in fact she doesn't, and I am creating the illusion that she has some power. This is to keep her from bitching. Every now and then I ask her "what do you think?" then I do what I was planning on doing before I asked her opinion.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
God damned man, great refresher. Bring on the trolls.
SoftHarem 11y ago
Every once in a while even a "troll" knocks one out of the park. Great post, GLO.
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SoftHarem 11y ago
You earned it. Have a shot of vodka for me.
veyron1001 11y ago
Whats sad is that dogs shape up and behave much better than a lot of women.
NGGYUNGLYDNGRAADY 11y ago
A well behaved dog is the product of a good trainer. A well behaved woman is the product of a good man.
desylid 11y ago
Maybe it's just observer bias, but I swear that I'm seeing increasing amounts of RedPill opinions and behavior from the people in my life and even in internet forums. It's possible that I'm seeing what was already there, but I'm starting to think there is a widespread wake-up.
real-boethius 11y ago
A year or two ago I was a lone voice in my facebook but now there are many.
RedPillJohnny 11y ago
I think it was always there but only in a vague undefined form that never fully flourished due to the "poisonous feminist" environment into which it inevitably appears...TRP gives rigid guidelines and is "peer-reviewed" by "bros" for "bros". Before I came to TRP I was forming my own definitions...I used terms like "modern suffragette" and started to create a checklist for identifying these women...then when I found this sub I was amazed and it strengthened the manosphere for me...heck it DEFINED the manosphere for me and introduced me to the term "misandry" which, in my opinion, is far more prevalent than "misogyny"!
Usherai 11y ago
I think there's a definite trend of people not believing the bullshit as much.
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New sub here, definitely enjoying the reads. I look forward to understanding what really being a man is about in this sub.
Usherai 11y ago
Glad to have you.
Usherai 11y ago
For all the accusations of misogyny thrown at TRP, I don't think most guys, even here, go far enough. Women are exactly like children in that without strong male leadership they will ruin themselves by being slaves to their emotions and short-sightedness. Their inability to take responsibility for themselves means that men need to be the ones directing, influencing, and manipulating their emotions into beneficial behaviors and pursuits.
This means that the mindset RP men should have in their relationships with women is one of complete and utter superiority. Your analysis and suggestions are pretty spot on.
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Not even trying to stir the pot here. But men too. Trust me I was raised by a single mother, she did the best she could but there is no replacing a strong male role model in you're life. Luckily I had some good uncles, cousins and teachers to look up to, and I could finally piece together a strong identity and a firm belief in myself.
Usherai 11y ago
Absolutely a male role model is vital for men as well. As the focus was on women I didn't mention it, but many issues or criticisms of women also applies to men. The difference regarding this is that I think men have the greater capacity, disposition, and responsibility to make themselves strong. Also, I believe women function less well with role models. That is, a man will look up to a role model and try to imitate, a woman won't. A woman will need an active male figure setting limits and guiding.
Blemish 11y ago
Well this post was linked to /r/ShitRedditSays
Bear this in mind when reading replies
uton_gili 11y ago
Sadly this sums up my marriage very well. I'm slowly moving into dominance, but it's not the way I was raised at all. My mother was very controlling and my father, for very good and well stated reasons that I believed for a long time, is passive-aggressive in response.
It's hard to leave the passive-aggressive vs angry cycle, and every time I do I get accused of being "patronizing" which I don't particularly want to be either. You can treat someone like a child without being patronizing, but it can be very dark and I dislike that for entirely different reasons.
But I'm getting over it, don't really have a choice any more.
Yes, I'm whining. Sue me.
FugitiveAlpha 11y ago
It's OK to whine a little, it's hard (especially at first). But, it is indeed reality, and it's worth the work. Think about how "bad" life with your woman was compared to now (I'm assuming its gotten better). Once you get to where you need to be, things will be considerably better, and it'll be worth it, plus, it'll get easier as you get more accustomed to it.
FinnianWhitefir 11y ago
I find that the hardest part. You make a ton of progress, you relate to new people and strangers great, but all your old family and friends are still communication is unhealthy ways. Half of it is just leaving them behind and accepting that they are damaged with no interest in improving. Half of it is just being yourself, being confident, communicating openly and honestly, and letting them deal with it however they want.
Codependent No More talks a lot about the Rescuer > persecutor > Victim triangle and how those relationships like your parents move between them. It really helped me move out of those negative responses.
11999590430420 11y ago
I'm new here (man), and just wondering about some stuff. You say;
Are you overgeneralizing, or do you guys believe that +95% of women really are like this? Cause while I agree with most things being written here, I know many women that are responsible and live alone, and are doing very well. Without a doubt, they are VERY dependent on their emotions, but would you say "ruin themselves" an overstatement when talking about ALL women?
Please elaborate!
FugitiveAlpha 11y ago
The ones that don't ruin themselves probably had appropriate male guidance while growing up (their father wasn't a useless pussy)
sigmalays 11y ago
i agree. it's maybe half of all women who (kinda) fit the stereotypes.
but the kind of women that are the easiest for TRP guys to meet and hook up with are part of that half.
Usherai 11y ago
100% of women are like this without male guidance. Ideally that starts with their father.
I say ruin themselves meaning that since they are so strongly influenced by their emotions they fall into negative patterns of thought and behavior that are reinforced by society, other women, and weak men. They are unable to rectify this on their own without either a proper upbringing or a strong man to steady the storm of their emotions.
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Usherai 11y ago
Yeah bro let me just look for a minute and locate this peer-reviewed, published work by a phd researcher where it is conclusively stated that all women are mentally like children.
Or you can just notice the mental immaturity, lack of personal responsibility, lack of agency, lack of individual thought, inability to take insult or criticism, naivete, and utter delusion about the world that is transparently obvious in every single girl that hasn't had a strong male influence in her life.
Scientifically speaking this is probably resultant from the differences in brain connectivity and growth between men and women. It's hardly something you could possibly assume would ever be published explicitly in western science.
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misogyny isn't about superior/inferior. it's about a hatred of women as a group. this is a common misconception.
Demonspawn 11y ago
But so much of the population has equality disease: thinking someone isn't equal must be coming from hate... because they are equal, don'tchaknow!
Usherai 11y ago
I would say that it effectively means a belief in male superiority. The misconception is so prevalent that using it technically is problematic.
Usherai 11y ago
This is a point that is often missed by detractors or left unsaid.
I think women are great. They're fun, enticing, exciting, etc etc. I enjoy their company and like to treat them well. But they're fucking children. And just like children they can be spoiled, selfish assholes or they can be well-behaved, cool people. Men leading their women, for me at least, means that when you have to ignore their antics, or tell them to shut the fuck up, or punish them via dread/ignoring/whatever, it's not just to be an autocrat, but to develop them into a better partner for you, and a better person overall. Instilling proper behaviors and attitudes is beneficial for the woman and for you. It's really the only way to have a mutually happy, loving relationship with a girl, which for me is the main goal.
randomdude600 11y ago
When I first discovered the red-pill this attitude seemed harsh, but reading and looking at pussy-pass examples, feminist rants and observing women I know confirmed it.
I've noticed from observing behavior that most women are 1) Incredibly naive 2) Hugely entitled 3) Nearly incapable of feeling personal responsibility or true lasting remorse for their actions.
The "woman is the most responsible teenager in the house" is an apt metaphor. Teenagers constantly test the boundaries of their relationship with their parents, in the same way women constantly shit-test men, daring us to reign them in and loosing attraction if we don't.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
I agree entirely. It's not something you can just point to a study and show, but it's something that collectively, I think most men notice in their lifetimes. Women act without consideration for consequence. Well- let me rephrase, women act without consequence so often, that women act without consideration for it.
That's why you have the wild-and-loose stereotype of a girl who wants to go do bad things for a rush- like get into trouble, or break in somewhere, or do something you're not supposed to do. She tells her somewhat-beta date that they should sneak into that building over there, and he goes "I don't know... maybe we shouldn't."
She calls him a pussy so he goes for it.
We have a culture of women who push men across the line for nothing more than gina tingles. That's what it is. They want a guy who brazenly cross the line, who aren't afraid of risk. And since if this hypothetical couple got caught- it would be the man who gets in trouble, she has nothing to lose. So she pushes, and so women push.
Edit: This is a good recap on this from ROK a while back: http://www.returnofkings.com/2090/how-black-america-has-predicted-our-future
snoodleflap 11y ago
Thanks for that excellent link!
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I think a lot of people would be interested in knowing how women are "great" aside from being sexual partners.
Everything in this sub is about game, frame, hamster, women are nuts etc.
I'm a misogynist and I don't see why that's wrong anymore. The culture made me this way. I don't see how putting in massive amounts of effort into "frame control" translates into actual benefits with female partners, other than compliance. You have to put in massive amounts of effort to ensure that women behave like decent human beings day in and day out, something that they should be by default.
How is that a good return on investment, and why are women great?
Usherai 11y ago
The amount of initial work and upkeep varies greatly based on the personality and upbringing of different girls. If you have decent raw material to work with it's not a massive amount of energy to keep her in line. Granted that is harder to find with most people being the offspring of single mothers or weak fathers. It's not worth the investment for women who are damaged from feminism and shitty parents.
A woman's value aside from sex includes primarily bearing your children and maintaining a good household for you. Various women have other potential uses, depending on their strengths.
GeneralSmedleyButsex 11y ago
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Nice comeback. Eat shit and die.
DesiAntiFeminist 11y ago
"The culture made me this way" is a perfect example of hypoagency.
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If someone is a blatant misogynist it pretty much does translate to him treating women badly, by definition. "Blatant" means to do something openly and unabashedly, and "misogyny" is the hatred or dislike of women. Being a blatant misogynist would virtually require you to treat women poorly.
That being said, the archetype used for your original post is likely the reason people view this subreddit as sexist. The reason I point this out is because I imagine that it turns away many individuals from what otherwise could be helpful advice for them. I doubt you care much that some people are off put by your flippant rhetoric, nor should you necessarily. Though, I posit that this type of rhetoric is turning redpill theory into redpill dogma, which may in turn lower it's credibility extensively.
ThumpNuts 11y ago
This! This is probably my greatest 'secret' to my success... in relationships anyway. For example: If my wife is being a bitch, I immediately tell her to go eat a banana because she's hungry and it'll put her in a better mood. It's my go to move. If she's getting bitchy with me in the car I have even pulled over in a drive through to get her a chocolate shake and completely dismiss whatever the fuck she was complaining about.
BUT... this has given me an idea! What if I approach all women this way. What if I treat all women [co-workers, acquaintances, my wife's friends, in-laws, hook-ups] like if I was dealing with children?
This will be a fascinating experiment.
FugitiveAlpha 11y ago
WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS WORK?!?!?!
at first i thought my woman had a blood sugar problem that made her a cunt when it was low. but then it was every woman.... Are they genetically incapable of managing their blood sugar as well as men, or is it their self-serving bullshit that is so strong that her subconscious is a bitch when it doesn't get what it wants too?
nrjk 11y ago
I had a gf that would occasionally say she forgot to eat. I would look at her and ask her if she was currently breathing to make sure she hadn't forgot. How the fuck do you forget to eat? Then I would say I just shit my pants because I forgot I had go. Then I would fart in her general direction. We were together for almost 5 years.
FloranHunter 11y ago
Heh, this may explain why one of the more self-aware women I know thinks she has a blood sugar problem when it's incredibly unlikely. She's really just moody from hunger or perhaps lack of food-induced endorphins.
ThumpNuts 11y ago
I think it's a hormone thing. They generally have less control over their emotions, which effect their hormones and vice versa. Throw low blood sugar into the mix and they have stronger bitch forces and tendencies to deal with.
I would equate it to a man on steroids. Hormones are out of whack so roid-rage.
It may be as simple as that.
ATBlanchard 11y ago
You'll probably develop a pretty shitty reputation to be honest. You have to know how to pick your battles
ThumpNuts 11y ago
Why? I don't treat children poorly. As a matter of fact, I'm great with kids.
If I apply the same attitude and treatment to Adult women, it would be interesting to see if I get the same positive results I get from kids... wouldn't it?
I haven't had a real opportunity to try yet [family emergencies recently], but I did try on my wife, mother-in law and sister-in law...
Anyway, now that I'm back home I'm going to put the experiment to the test with everyone... every chick I see - Coworkers, friends, family, Facebook, Clients - you name it.
Caveat: This whole experiment could be entirely skewed because I realize that I treat children "better" than adults generally: I have more patience with children, I smile at children, I don't take children seriously, and I am very accommodating to children. On the other hand: I am quick to "correct" a child - in a very nice way. This could be viewed as me being condescending... we'll see.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
You will go broke buying chocolate shakes for every woman complaining on Facebook.
ThumpNuts 11y ago
LOL.
I don't mean that. I do that for my wife, I wouldn't do that for every child, so I wouldn't do that for every [any] other woman.
Good joke though.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
This might sound funny, but putting a woman through a good, solid workout is good for her too. Try 10 minutes of intense aerobics.
Or just have sex with her when she's overly cranky. That usually puts my ladies in a good mood.
ThumpNuts 11y ago
True, but I don't feel particularly horny when a girl is being bitchy. I feel like they don't deserve my dick... where as I look at the chocolate shake or banana like medicine.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
Fair enough. I tend to view some sex as a gift towards a woman. She's had a bad day... I'll console her with an orgasm.
HeadingRed 11y ago
I keep a bowl of candy on my desk. In the drawer I have the serious stuff.
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dvrzero 11y ago
Better stock up on condoms. Just in case.
boredinclass2 11y ago
Hahahaha
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ThumpNuts 11y ago
I updated in another comment.... here it is:
I haven't had a real opportunity to try yet [family emergencies recently], but I did try on my wife, mother-in law and sister-in law...
I usually treat my wife this way anyway, so no real change there... but she did initiate sex last night - which she usually doesn't. Usually she doesn't have to because I initiate quite frequently.
My mother-in law became more "chatty" with me. I usually entertain children by listening to what they have to say and give them the attention they seek. A lot of time, children just want to be heard and crave the attention. They're not looking for advice or problem solving. I usually don't have the patience to sit and listen to an adult rattle on about nothing [without me giving some kind of input that has value], but I treated her like I would a child and listened and humored her with questions and acted like I was interested, just to get her feeling good about herself. Later, she offered to babysit to give my wife and I a "date-night". Usually my wife asks her and if she can't find an excuse to say no, she will do it.
Anyway, now that I'm back home I'm going to put the experiment to the test with everyone... every chick I see - Coworkers, friends, family, Facebook, Clients - you name it.
Caveat: This whole experiment could be entirely skewed because I realize that I treat children "better" than adults generally: I have more patience with children, I smile at children, I don't take children seriously, and I am very accommodating to children. On the other hand: I am quick to "correct" a child - in a very nice way. This could be viewed as me being condescending... we'll see.
christiefrontdrive 11y ago
If you treat a 32-year old woman like she's 13, and you fuck her, does that make you ephebophilic?
aaron_the_just 11y ago
No, but it's still hot when she calls you "daddy".
ThumpNuts 11y ago
If you treat a 32-year old woman like you would treat your best guy friend, does that make you a homo? Probably not.
...interesting concept though.
baroncuttlefish 11y ago
Would that make Feminism gay?
ThumpNuts 11y ago
Uh... wat?
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The_Floating_Dick 11y ago
"But you never listen to meee!!"
"Here, have some lentils"
VelociReactor 11y ago
Just keep a stash of lentils in your pocket, when the time comes, pull them out and throw them in her face.
baroncuttlefish 11y ago
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SANDLENTILSThumpNuts 11y ago
Yes, that is true. It can easily be used to manipulate a chocolate shake out of me -- BUT bitchy behavior puts me in a bad mood, and I don't think she enjoys my bad moods.
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I have a five year old daughter. With her its so easy to play to her with the "amused mastery" ideal. Even as a five year old she eats it up, thinks I'm the funniest thing ever!
What I am trying to do is adjust myself so that I am treating all women like that. After being a supplicate for so long its kind of tough, but when it shines through it is pretty amazing.
RedPillJohnny 11y ago
Gold advice as always GLO...some "children" eventually become "teenagers" but never do they become "grown adults"...never make that mistake.
Nieben 11y ago
That cosmic forces line was gold. 10/10
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redpillschool Admin 11y ago
I think this is bad advice. Imagine I told you to go get yourself a pet dog, but make sure you don't settle for one that acts like a dog...
...you're going to spend a lot of time going through dogs that do dog things- shit on the floor, bark at cars, all the dog things.
Eventually you'll come back to me and say, "well some were better than others, but they were all dogs..."
You learn to expect who they are and you learn to accept it, and to mitigate it.
Somewhere there's somebody quoting this post who doesn't understand analogies. "RPS LITERALLY thinks women are pet dogs... OMG"
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redpillschool Admin 11y ago
I mean, you're correct in the sense that I recently parted ways with a childish 18-year old who just wasn't learning and threw fits.. so there is a threshold here.
But remember, at the end of the day, they will all have temper-tantrums. Sometimes I remember girls I have dated over the past 10 years that I've prematurely broken up with because my level of expectation was too high. Only in retrospect do I realize they were some of the best behaved women I've ever dated.
But there I was, looking for a man with tits.
boredinclass2 11y ago
The whole point of the red pill is to accept women and not to blame women for being women. Hth
Kanyin 11y ago
How do you deal with burnout and mental exhaustion from this approach?
real-boethius 11y ago
It gets like driving a car after a while. Remember the first time you drove a car? It was really hard. Now you drive to work and don't even remember doing it.
It just becomes second nature after a while.
Usherai 11y ago
Amusement. It's actually endearing I think.
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Kanyin 11y ago
Seriously it gets to the point where you just wanna yell why the fuck can't you do anything yourself? There's got to be some kind of balance which I feel you missed. I know at the end you said sometimes women need to be treated like children but that sometimes needs to be bolded. It's just not worth it practicing this all the time. It's fucking exhausting.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
It helps if you don't live together and can just put the phone on silent for a few days.
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RedSunBlue 11y ago
For Reference: David Futrelle, author of the "Manboobz" blog
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rumo_itaki 11y ago
Please elaborate.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
I didn't get that promotion = male bias in workplace
I'm broke = wage gap
Can't find a job = society doesn't value feminine occupations
Single mom = the dad is a deadbeat for not sticking around
Sucked 37 dicks = was in 37 dick-sucking situations outside of her control
Boyfriend is cheating = boyfriend's fault for being an asshole
She is cheating = boyfriend's fault for not keeping her from straying
iluvspirit21419 11y ago
In regards to the single mom topic, unless something happened to the father (ie overseas, in hospital, deceased, she's abusive, etc) the dad is a scumbag for leaving her. You got her pregnant, you help with the kids, even if child support is the only means available. Unless of course she raped him. Then she shouldn't be allowed to see her kids at all, he shouldn't have to pay child support, and they should be put in foster care or the father should have custody if he decides to take care of them.
Now, for the cheating topic:
Anyone who cheats is a scumbag. Period.
If her boyfriend is cheating on her, he can go fuck himself. (Unless she was abusive and he fell for another girl or guy who was a lot more respectful and didn't hurt him. Then he should contact the police and break up with with ScumbagBoyfriendBeater.) Otherwise, she trusted him to be loyal and he wasn't. Everyone should get a second chance depending on the reason of the first strike but if he does it again, she should dump him. NO ONE SHOULD CHEAT. REGARDLESS OF GENDER OR SEX. PERIOD. (Unless there's a reason like the one above where he needs help.)
If she's cheating on him, she can go fuck herself. Unless, like the man above, her boyfriend was abusive. Physical or verbal, both sexes should contact the police and stay with a family member or their lover as long as ScumbagGirlfriendGritter doesn't know where the other person lives. That, or they should ask the local police department if they can be taken in for protective custody.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
(1) It's a girl's job not to get pregnant. Options include: (a) not having sex, (b) using reliable birth control (ever heard of NuvaRing or an IUD?), or (c) getting an abortion.
(2) I'm not sure what relevance domestic violence has to cheating. You seem to follow some religion where domestic violence is a grievous sin, which atones for the less-grievous sin of cheating.
(3) Why should "no one cheat"? What god does it offend?
iluvspirit21419 11y ago
...Are you fucking serious?
Women cannot control getting pregnant. Period. You're a real fucking idiot if you actually think that women can just suddenly get pregnant if they want to. By that fucked-up logic, it's a man's job not to go around RAPING GIRLS. WE CANNOT CONTROL OUR FUCKING REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM. My apologies for blowing up on you, but it seems that way too many people don't understand that. It's like saying that people can control getting sick. It's like saying that they can control where the cancer goes and how soon it kills them. They CAN'T. Pills don't always work. Condoms break. And if you think that it's the GIRLS JOB NOT TO GET PREGNANT, well, you're a REAL fucking idiot. The child shares your DNA, and they're your problem too.
You don't want to get a girl pregnant? Don't fucking have sex with her. End of story.
And here is where I realize you're just picking for a debate, which is something I'm not going to do. After you send your next comment, I won't reply. You're stupidly bringing religion into an argument that holds nothing to do with it.
NO ONE SHOULD HURT ANYONE. Fucking PERIOD. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL. NO ONE SHOULD EVER HIT ANYONE. EVER. And if someone IS doing that to you, then yes, you go to the police and you file domestic violence charges and then you go and find someone who doesn't treat you like a fucking piece of cow shit.
Again, you're bringing religion into this. And guess what, bud! I'm agnostic. So religion has no fucking thing to do with this.
And why should no one cheat?
BECAUSE IT'S COMMON FUCKING COURTESY, DUMBASS.
YOU DON'T HURT PEOPLE YOU LOVE. PERIOD. YOU DON'T CHEAT ON PEOPLE YOU LOVE. PERIOD. YOU DON'T BREAK THE TRUST OF PEOPLE YOU LOVE. PERIOD.
You treat others as you want to be treated. I judging by all this, I'm pretty fucking sure you don't want her cheating on you. Because she's all you got. Your internet "friends" have no idea that you're a morbidly obese 46-year-old man with a neckbeard and Cheeto fingers sitting at your little desk typing away and waiting for your mother to open the basement door and let you know dinner's ready so you can huff-and-puff up the stairs and shove her out of the way so you can take all of the macaroni and cheese and five slices of garlic bread ALONG with a 16l. "Diet" Coke before everyone else.
And then after dinner you'll heave your heavy-ass rolls down the basement stairs and bring your computer out of standby mode so you can go back to playing fucking League of Legends only to fall asleep at the desk and find out your chair's broken when it snaps from under you and you roll around on the floor trying to get the fuck back up.
And where's your [imaginary] "girlfriend?"
She's cheating on you with the skinny shy boy in class because he's the only one who isn't a total fucktard and doesn't act like a fucking douche.
And then you'll come here, /r/TheRedPill, and fucking rant about how it's the woman's problem not to get pregnant, and it's the woman's problem that she's cheating on you, and that it's the woman's problem if her "man" is cheating on her, and that it's the woman's problem if her boyfriend fucking RAPES her every weekend and beats her to living shit so she has to wear fucking sunglasses 24/7 and always wear thick and long-sleeved clothing so that no one will ask about the dozens of bruises that "decorate" her body because her "boyfriend" should be in fucking prison, and it's the WOMAN'S PROBLEM that your shirt with a million fucking grease stains isn't cleaned and ironed because you're too fucking lazy to get off your ass and walk across the basement to the fucking washing machine and do it yourself.
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I enjoyed reading this and I agree that it's an effective method of dealing with women in general. However, it's an effective method of dealing with most people. BPs and women and children and ignorant men. Everyone acts childish and can use some direction from someone better adjusted to the necessities of real life.
My problem is this: Treating them like children enables them to continue acting like children. If you believe women (and everyone else) are incapable of acting like adults then, by all means, continue treating them like children. But, if you believe women are just as capable as men of acting with agency and objectivity, as I do, then it's ok to treat them like children when they're children. But when they're adults, it's time to get treated like an adult. There's no sense in coddling a man in his 40s and pretending it's ok for him not to have a job and support himself. It ruins him to believe he should be provided for in any way by anyone else. Women should be treated equally in this way.
It's cute to talk about equality and real life gender differences. I'm happy to say I think I see more reality today than ever before. And the reality is that women are NOT children. Treating them as such is reinforcing the behaviors that make them ACT as such. i.e. this is why we're at this point in the first place. You can't treat someone like a child and expect them not to act like a child. This is a fundamental truth about people: If you're treated like X long enough you will act like X. The whole world already treats women like children. This is why we are here. Cut the shit and push the women in your life to grow up.
Trudatness' reply is a pretty decent example of showing a woman how the real world works and taking away the excuses she might want to fall back on for her ineptitude. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that this was simply treating her like a child and everything working out for the better. This is an example of treating her like an adult (or "like a man" if you prefer) and her living up to the expectations we (men) have for other adults. Good for him but more importantly good for her.
By treating women like children so you don't have to put up with their shit is the same thing feminists do. You're degrading someone else so that you don't feel belittled. Cut it out. You're supposed to be better than that.
real-boethius 11y ago
OK you go and save the world. The rest of us will deal with things the way they are.
In a relationship, after a while, women get the message that their tantrums and BS are not going to get them anywhere. But even so, they do need the reassurance that there is someone else (you) who is not going to get swept away in the whirlpool of emotion that is their mind.
DoxasticPoo 11y ago
Another reason to treat them like a child, woman want the love of a father.
So if you love her like a father, that means you're treating her like a child.
iluvspirit21419 11y ago
^ Okay, everyone, this right here? This right here is what we call bullshit, kids. Repeat after me: bull-shit.
I'm a girl. Not a woman perhaps, seeing as I'm still a teenager, but I can fucking assure you that we do not want "the love of a father" from our spouses/sexual partners/significant others.
That's nothing of what we want.
You know what we want?
We want our partners to be our partner.
Not our father. Not our mother. Our partner. We want someone who will be there for us through thick and thin. We want someone who will listen to us rant at the end of a long work day. We want someone who will help decorate our child's room. We want someone who will kiss our cheek when they wake in the morning or if we're feeling under the weather will bring us some toast and a cup of warm coffee.
We want someone who will be there for us. Who will root for us to win during the marathon we've trained months, if not years for. We want someone who will love us. Not the love of a father. No love tops the love of a parent. But we do want someone who will be there like a parent. Not someone who will act like one or take up the duty of one.
What we want is someone to cry with after finding out someone close to us is sick. We want someone who will hold us and kiss our forehead and tell us everything is going to be alright, even when it isn't. We want someone to sit at our bedside with us while our baby is being wrapped up in a warm blanket by a nurse.
We don't want anything more than someone who will always be by our side. Someone who we can tell everything to. About how our coworker Nancy was being a total snob to her "friend" and how we stuck up for her and gave her the lashing of a lifetime. About how we stuck our foot in our mouth when we complimented another coworker on her lost weight and learned she'd had a miscarriage.
We want someone who will be the father of our children, if we do ever have any, and will read our children bedtime stories and meet us out in the hall so we can walk back to our bedroom with a light kiss and holding hands.
Most of us don't want someone who will pin us up against a wall for our first time, whether we're still a virgin or not. We want someone who will take it slow and be gentle and caring and kind and soothing and comforting. Not someone who'll jackhammer us into the bed.
We don't want boys who are immature or feel they have to overrank everyone and always play alpha. We don't want boys who will slam their fists or prop their elbows up on the table. We don't want boys who will get mad and punch a hole in the wall. We don't want boys who are reckless and smoke around children or flip elderly people the bird or wear big furred coats with their hats on backwards or sideways.
That's nothing of what we want.
You know what we want?
We want men. Not immature little pricks who drag race or drink and drive and post a photo to Facebook while doing it to prove they're "gangsta" or "cool."
We want men. We want someone who may or may not be okay with wearing a suit or tuxedo but knows to look decent enough for our wedding. We don't want stupid assholes who spit on people and act like little thugs with their pants hanging off their ass nearly to the ground.
We want men who are calm and collected. Who doesn't panic when things go sour. Who thinks before their actions and never hits women or children or even other men. Unless they started it. Then you finish it.
We don't want the people here. The people who believe all girls have Daddy issues and need a "fatherly figure" or who need "to be treated like children."
No, we're grown ass fucking adults and we will and most of us do act like it. Yes, I have Daddy problems. You know what that problem is? When I was nine I wanted a pony, just like every average little girl. I didn't get one. And you know what? I didn't live off other men and I still don't. I did chores around the house and got payed for it without asking. I got a job cleaning up the local park. I painted rocks for people who wanted yard decorations. I made art and sold it for about three dollars a piece. All this without any help from any so-called "men" like those here. And I'm solving that Daddy issue on my own. Know how? All that money that I got for my work is going towards buying a horse. I love my Daddy and he loves me and my parents are going to get married later this year after having been with each other for over 25 years.
So, no.
We do not want to be treated like a child.
We do not want someone who thinks they have to act like a father and scold us when we do something wrong.
We don't want the fifteen-year-olds the majority this subreddit consists of.
We don't want "boys."
We want MEN.
No, you don't have to be sexy. No, you don't have to be "hot." You don't need to look handsome even. What you do need, though, is kindness. Compassion. Sympathy. Gentleness. Carefulness. Love.
That is what we want most over any other thing, be it looks, sex drive, intelligence, what kind of car you drive, whether you play golf or not, whatever. What we want most is love. That's it. You don't have to be good in bed, or drive a Porche or Farrari. You don't have to have good looks or be handsome. The only thing you have to have is love to give.
As long as you treat us like an adult and love us and be there for us through thick and thin, and caring and kind and giving and respectful, I can promise you, you will receive just a much love, if not more, than you give.
This is coming from a girl, soon to be a woman. Please take my words into thought and you'll find that you'll have a much better chance with us. Most importantly, be respectful.
That is all.
DoxasticPoo 11y ago
If that were true, TRP wouldn't exist. 40k people wouldn't be here, now, reading, discussing, analyzing, venting.... destroying.
I once believed everything you say. I once dreamed of being exactly that which you claim to want. And when I did just that...
No woman returns anything close to "love" as you describe it. You don't know what you want. Women aren't "there for you". Women are like a battle medic who uses a gun to heal wounds; firing a bullet at a wound to get the first bullet out. Then they'll poke. Push. ANYTHING other than a bandaid.
Because you want the strongest man you can get. And the injured better heal quick. Because those who don't die, or at least close to it.
I ask you. What happens to a man who follows your instructions? What did I get in return?
I fell into a hole. Alone. Surrounded by firewood soaked in gasoline. And at the top I saw the silhouette of girl I cared for. A girl I would take a bullet for. Who could call on me for anything. Whose happiness meant far more to me than my own.
And orange glow caressed every curve of her shape. Highlighting so much of what I loved about her.
But it was a match. And she dropped it onto me.
And I burned.
And I fought to put out the flames. But how can you put out a fire when you are in it? Surrounded. Becoming the very fire itself!
I screamed in pain. Crying in agony. But she didn't even stick around to watch.
But someone else did.
From within the flames a door opened. And out from the other side walked the devil himself asking, "What are you doing here?"
I told him I was put here by deceit. And begged for him to help me.
PLEASE, Devil. Why am I here?!
He just laughed. And said that I was a gift. A sacrifice.
But I didn't want to be a sacrifice if that's where I end up. I don't want to be surrounded by black flames starring the devil in the face. I wanted out.
And he said he could do that. He makes trades all the time. But it would cost me.
With no choice, I agreed. Not even knowing the terms. Not knowing where I would end up; just knowing it had to be better than where I was.
He looked deep into my eyes with a need for pain and screamed like an animal celebrating its kill.
He then pounced. Dropping me to the ashes below. And starting tearing me apart.
Piece by piece he ripped me open. His firey claws burning with hatred dug every piece of "me" out. Until he found a small wooden box looking like it was made by a child.
In this box was a dream. The dream to be exactly everything you describe. The dream that women actually want what you say. And would return the favor.
As he held the tiny box in the palm of his massive hand, he smiled with satisfaction. And then roared again like an animal as he crushed the box. Burning it as he squeezed.
He then opened his hand. And like a scene shot in slow motion, the ashes floated to the ground.
He then put out his other hand as if to offer me something else. He said it would help with the pain that will come from putting myself back together.
In his hand, there was a red pill.
iluvspirit21419 11y ago
Okay, one, if you really wrote that, please become an author. Like, now. Go to the library. Study. Study hard. But, now on to our actual topic.
Now, let me get something straight. You've been shot, and you want a bandaid? Seriously?
Clearly you've been dealing wholly with Scumbag Stacey(s), and for that, I'm sorry. Yeah, we can be cruel. So can boys or men. That's just... how it is. My dad is a police officer, and I've seen men be verbally and physically abusive to their spouses/SOs. But, I've also seen women be the same. Yes, no one's perfect. Yes, everyone makes mistakes. That gives no one any right to harm another.
We all bleed red blood, don't we? Yes, our DNA and brain make up is different. But our blood's the same. We're all humans in the end. We're all just one big family. (Literally, we all share one common ancestor after all.)
Now for the first sentence I'm supposed to be talking about.
You're wrong. Dead wrong. We love. We love just as much as everyone else ever has. Have you not seen the bond between a mother and her child? And yet you still say we don't love? The bond between a mother and her offspring is the strongest bond of them all. And the second strongest is that between two people who love each other.
Everyone has the capability to love. Jesus had it. Ghandi had it. And Hitler and Stalin both had it too.
Everyone can and does love. And love shines brightest in the dark.
I show my love by doing things for people. Going out and getting food and giving it to homeless people, complete strangers, yet I'm bringing them food as though they're my child. Because I love them.
I love everyone. Everyone to have ever been born. Everyone who ever will be born. I love Jesus, and God, whether He or another Deity be real or not, and I love Hitler, and I love Stalin, and I love Ghandi, and I love my best friend, and I love my teachers, and I love that guy who flipped me the bird when my three-month-old-puppy barked at him.
And I love you.
I love everyone. Yes, some more than others. But there is no one, and there never will be anyone, that I hate.
I want someone who cares about me and wants me in their life. I want someone who I can tell everything too. I want someone to share my thoughts and ideas with. I want someone to cry with when they cry. And I want someone to cry with me when I cry. And I want someone to comfort when they're sad, and I want someone to comfort me when I'm sad. I want someone to love, and someone who will love me back.
Now here is probably where you're most wrong. There is nothing stronger than the love a mother feels for her children. When asked who they love most, mothers will almost always reply with "Whichever one needs me most at the time." Women, especially mothers, will always be there for you. Even when they're gone. No one is ever truly gone. Just simply waiting.
Now this, this is again a point where I ask you to please become an author. You're creative. I like that. A lot of girls like that. So instead of being all "macho-man" and trying to be a "big tuff alpha," take a look at your other personality traits. We don't want a big grizzly bear. We want a little panda that we can cuddle with and oogle over and just simply... love. But pandas can be fearsome too, and we also want someone to protect us. To be protective over us. Not like a father, but as a friend. As a protector. ...Like Batman.
I don't think you realize that a lot of times we hurt you because it's for the best. Like, let's say I'm dating you, hm? And I have an ex-boyfriend who was/is physically abusive. And we're out at a bar or something one night, and he walks in, and sees you with me, and tries to hurt you. As I stated in my previous comment, never start a fight. Ever. But always finish it. For me, at least, I honestly don't care if you win or lose. But knowing that you were willing to put yourself in harms way for me... Well, it's a good feeling. Someone actually cares for me! Wow! But then, it's a little while later, and I've been thinking over things. And then I realize...
I care about you so much that I don't want you to get hurt. I don't want to see anything bad happen to you, because I know how CrazyEx can be. And so, with much sorrow, I break up with you. I sacrifice a relationship to keep you safe. And it'll hurt for a while, I know, but one day someone else will come along who's right for you and who will make you happier than I'd ever be able to. And I'll be sad, but I'll stick through it, and I'll smile, knowing that now you're safe and happy.
This is a complete and utter lie. I do not, any where near, want the strongest man I can get. Again, I don't want a grizzly bear. I don't care about looks or strength, because I actually much prefer intelligence. But even then I'd put smarts aside if you're interested in me and you're kind and don't beat others down trying to prove yourself.
We're not wild animals, mate. The weakest don't die. They don't get close to it. The strong ones take to wrestling and eventually kill a guy in a match. The "weak" ones get a job that they like and they stick with it. Strength and confidence are two different things. Hell, I don't even like confident guys. I like my men quiet and shy and keep to themselves, because that's me in a nutshell. I'm quiet and shy and I keep to myself. I want to find a guy who matches my personality. I want to find a guy who keeps his sleeves down and a hoodie up. I want a man who is kind and caring and gentle and loving. I don't want brute strength. I want someone to watch Tangled and Frozen and Brave with and laugh when I burp after almost completely downing a can of Diet Coke because the popcorn was so buttery.
You get what you hopefully want. Love. Like me and most girls, it's all we want. We don't want looks, or strength, or abs, or whether or not you pick us up. Most of us don't care. All we want is someone to care about us. And someone for us to care about.
We want to find someone who will love us unconditionally.
And we want to find someone for us to love unconditionally.
Through sickness and in health. We'll be there for you if you're there for us.
DoxasticPoo 11y ago
You "want to find someone for [you] to love unconditionally"... yet not more than 1 sentence later you put a condition on it, "We'll be there for you if you're there for us."
You're love is naturally not unconditional. And that's fine. You're love is about what you get in return. Even you're last sentence exemplifies that. You finished this entire response with a conditional whose emphasis is on you receiving something.... Classic subconscious utilitarian love.
There's a lot to respond to in all of this... I hate to leave you hanging but giving your writing the attention it deserves is time consuming.
Just understand this. My initial argument still holds. And I wrote it as a story in hope that it'd come across easier; since men and women communicate completely differently.
But since you just came back with more of the same, I'll take a different route. The simple argument.
You can say whatever you want. But screaming about the world being flat won't make it so. Only until we've experienced it as such, can we say you are right.
You can say this is what you want. But until woman actually respond to that behavior from men, until men's experiences align with your words, we cannot say you are right.
Reality always trumps theory. Collected data is far more reliable than loose arguments. Experiencing > Thinking.
iluvspirit21419 11y ago
Please listen, and I hope this doesn't come off as intruding or sneaky, but how many women have you dated? My apologies beforehand, but I'm curious. I hate to say it, but women are kind of like dogs. Don't take this out of context. If you're there for us and treat us like an actual adult human being instead of a slave or child, (and this applies to most women, but sadly not all :/) we will be there for you to the end. We'll be your shoulder to cry on if you're OUR shoulder to cry on. Not our REASON to cry.
So, TL;DR...
Don't treat us like children. Don't act like you're our parent. We don't want another parent. We want to love someone and we want someone to love us.
It's going to be a year on April 1st. A whole year since the first time my best friend told me he loved me. He's always been respectful and kind and caring and listens when I rant about my problems and I listen when he rants about his.
Because he doesn't treat me like a child. He doesn't act like he's my parent. He doesn't scold me. If I do something wrong, he doesn't scream at me or put me in a timeout. He explains what I did wrong and then shows me how or helps me do it properly.
I love him. I love him more than I've ever loved anyone besides my parents.
And you know why?
Because he doesn't treat me like a child.
He doesn't act like my parent.
He doesn't boss me around or tell me make him a sandwich.
He doesn't treat me like a slave.
He treats like I want to be treated.
And that's why I love him.
Because he treats me as equal.
Just like everyone should be treated.
heist_of_saint_graft 11y ago
+1. This is my take on it. My type of girl is the one who'll put her head in the nook of my shoulder and call me "Daddy". It's an archetype / frame of affection that women understand on a gut level.
MrMagwitch 11y ago
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aaron_the_just 11y ago
Which is about as exciting and rewarding as dumping a child off on a deserted road.
I like a life with women and with kids in it.
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aaron_the_just 11y ago
But then you aren't really pure MGTOW, are you?
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aaron_the_just 11y ago
I'd be right on board with you, but generally MGTOW is understood to mean "doesn't have romantic or sexual dealings with women".
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I come to GayLubeOil topics for the pics and I stay for the facts.
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robesta 11y ago
GLO,
Great post.
My girl and I were driving to Muy Thai Wednesday night and she seemed really stressed out from work. I decided that rather than ask her about her shitty, boring day, I'd just talk about whatever the fuck I wanted to and have fun and tickle her. Within 2 minutes she forgot about work and was in a great mood. Basically, I shared my fun life with her and it let her leave her own boring life.
TL;DR- If a woman wanted a serious conversa..... Women don't want serious conversations.
christiefrontdrive 11y ago
Man, that made me laugh. Reminded me of my last LTR, we'd go to a fancy sub shop once or twice a week for some grub. We were sitting at a table in there one time and she was all stressed out, blabbering on about work and at the two-minute point I realized she wasn't going to stop any time soon, so almost instinctively I picked up her meatball sub and stuffed the end in her mouth. So she ate a bite and said "Ungh I love eating here" and was happy the rest of the night.
VelociReactor 11y ago
By meatball sub do you mean your penis?
FindMitch 11y ago
"There, there honey." *Hug her. Daddy's gotta run some errands but if you tag along, maybe we'll pick you up an ice cream.
girl: "OooOOk," in the highest most girly voice.
stuff like this works more than you think when she's having a shit day.
robesta 11y ago
Here baby, have some of my happy meatball sub frame and chill the fuck out!
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robesta 11y ago
You're absolutely right. We provide them with something they can never have on their own or through other women. I know a few lesbian couples and they always seem to have this lean on each other dynamic that looks exhausting for the both of them.
At the end of the day, most women want to turn off all semblance of authority they brought home from work, have a man take charge and fuck them until they see stars.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
Most stable lesbian couples I know have one partner who essentially IS a man.
robesta 11y ago
Tries to be. I know one couple, where one is "the man," but in reality, she's not. She tries, but it's an uphill battle for her.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
Yeah. Bed death is not uncommon.
The average lesbian couple could really benefit from RP.
Jessie_James 11y ago
I can't tell you how spot on you are about this. My wife is great most of the time, but when things start going wrong I ask her when she ate last. I am constantly dismayed to discover she has eaten nothing, and it's 4 in the afternoon!
My 19 month old son also is the exact same way. If he's being fussy or upset, he also has not eaten (enough).
Feed them both, and things get back to normal. Some days I just can't believe it.
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Jessie_James 11y ago
That's perfect!
autourbanbot 11y ago
Here's the Urban Dictionary definition of Hangry :
"Damn! Where is that steak I ordered? We've been waiting for an hour and a half here. The service here is terrible! I'm starving! I don't know about you, but I'm starting to feel really hangry!"
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aaron_the_just 11y ago
Shocking - sometimes when a plate is whinging on and on, I'll ask if she had breakfast or lunch, and the answer is "no" on both counts.
Usually she has a headache too. Often from lack of hydration / electrolytes!
Men, feed your women.
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Xein 11y ago
Uhh nope, it doesn't say that.
Which actually backs up a lot of what we talk about here. Male and female brains are optimized for different tasks.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
Yeah, I don't think that says that, it says our brains begin to differentiate at that age.
robesta 11y ago
That article was interesting but a little tedious.
They touted all the advantages of the female brain, then they go on to say, "and that's why your hairstylist or chef is probably male. Hairstylist and Chef? What about engineer, scientist, neurosurgeon and the plethora of other occupations that are more suited to a man's brain make-up?
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SeekingAlpha 11y ago
Written for women/children. They needed to use examples of occupations women were familiar with...they can actually visualize what those two jobs entail.