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tl;dr: title

https://archive.fo/lqal2

This doesn't need much analysis. We've seen this in many times before.

Interesting points:

  • Husband was dealt a tough pair of cards. A certain divorce, which he didn't want (they had kids). You could argue it was beta to accept the demand. I think it was alpha to do what he felt was best for his kids and start sleeping with another woman.

  • Wife described her husbands 'affair' as 'cheating' even though opening up the marriage was her demand.

  • Wife had someone in mind when she made this demand for an open relationship. They always do. They do not bring up this subject (which has risk) if they are not pretty much ready to go with a guy in 24 hours. Branch swinging requires another branch.

  • Wife's affair partner really was an affair, her partner had a wife who didn't know. But husband did it by the book with a single woman. Stand up guy.

  • Wife then threatens divorce if husband doesn't close the relationship. When someone has used the nuclear bargaining chip of divroce once, expect them to use it again. The cat is out of the bag.

  • Husband offered a fair legal arrangement that if he closes the relationship then there are consequences if the wife or husband commits infidelity again. Wife goes beserk. Refuses to sign it. I believe that this shows the lesson the wife learned was that she should have cheated in secret, not asked for an open marraige. She wanted to sleep with other men, and didn't want her husband to sleep with other women. And the easiest way to achieve that was to close the relationship and just cheat.

  • The wife said the husband had to end his relationship with Amber because the wife knew her. Well it turns out that the wife knows her because she used a tracking device, then drove to Amber and introduced herself. Lmao.

edit: looking at the replies and they are pathetic.

2k upvotes:

TL;DR (even with update). OP sucks for trying to one-up his wife in every situation rather than work as a team, also misses the point of the rules they had; wife sucks extra for obvious reasons. They both suck and theyd rather fight this than be good parents to their kids.

[-] ElegantCyclist 368 Points 3 days ago

This guy is married to an insane woman. He should divorce her already.

[-] doveenigma13 182 Points 3 days ago

She wanted the open marriage because she was tired of hiding it. She was already fooling around guaranteed. She also didn’t think her husband would be able to succeed in finding another woman. I think this guy was a pretty healthy purple pill type of guy and she thought she had beaten all the red out, which resurfaced when she made that open marriage demand.

She’s not really crazy from what I can see, just awalt.

[-] BriefcaseHead2 93 Points 3 days ago

She didn't take her hubby would find a woman and also one that was more attractive than her. I can guarantee Amber is at least 15lbs and younger than his wife.

[-] MilkMoney111 26 Points 2 days ago

yup. and like clockwork, the wife is suddenly attracted to him again... BECAUSE he's banging a better bitch

[-] hardcoreanarchist 2 Points 2 days ago

Hopefully he's red pilled now

[-] doveenigma13 2 Points 2 days ago

Might have been that Morpheus moment for him. Some people just don’t ever get that moment

[-] tyrryt 6 Points 2 days ago

In the context of relationships, they're all insane.

The only variable is how much leverage she has. The insanity that she reveals/exercises is in direct proportion to the amount of leverage she has.

[-] ideserveall 6 Points 2 days ago

she is not insane, just AWALT. dont get married.

[-] 19abto 1 Point 3 days ago

Would this qualify as a case of “don’t stick your dick in crazy” ? Trying to educate myself.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 183 Points 3 days ago

A. Don't get married. So many of a guy's problems can be solved by maintaining sexual relationships with multiple women.

B. This was the "grown up" version of "I think we should see other people." When a woman says that, much like this bitch, she doesn't mean you she means her. She might as well say, "There's a new dick I want to try out, but I want to hold on to you, just in case he turns out to be an asshole." When a woman says this, she's either already riding new dick or she's got a guy lined up.

C. Don't get married.

D. I think part of what went wrong for him is that (from reading the link) the wife had to stop seeing her side-guy because: COVID19, but he kept nailing his side piece. Suddenly shit "isn't fair!" any more. Women try to pull this shit all the time.

E. Really, don't get married.

[-] throwaway26180081 41 Points 3 days ago

So what is your solution for having kids and family ?

[-] WizardSenpai 51 Points 3 days ago

surrogate mother who doesnt smoke or drink, adoption(not beta imo, unlike getting cheated on and deciding to raise it, kids need homes), get a dog and good friends and volunteer to mentor kids in some other activity like teaching boyscouts or martial arts. allowing women to have power in your life is never optimal from what ive seen.

[-] TheGreatConst 35 Points 2 days ago

Get a surrogate mother or adopt, and then raise a kid all on your own? If you have so much free time, then you'd better do something more interesting and helpful. If you care about your kid's well being then a healthy normal family with two parents is the only way around. Stop pretending that "all women are sluts, so this is impossible", everyone has examples in their life that prove otherwise. Conservative women are rare, but they do exist. Not 100% of marriages end up in divorce and cheating, only about 60% of them. Considering that at least 80% of men are bluepill and suck both in sex and in the way they treat women, it is lower than it should be. And before you start to talk about AWALT, I should remind you that all men are polygamous by nature, doesn't change the fact that most of them stay loyal even if they want to fuck and, very often, can.

[-] Azraelfree 11 Points 2 days ago

Stating men as an example of loyalty going against primal instincts is misleading and in that case, isn’t a valid parallel. The reason we remain loyal is because we, unlike women, are logical and reasonable beings. We realize acts have consequences and often think before we act. Plus, men love unconditionally, which women can’t do. Women are emotional, impulsive and act on urges.

Your entire post is one big NAWALT and i think this sub should revise its ways seeing posts like this get dozens of upvotes because it’s disregarding core principles of female nature.

[-] DadBod2ChadBod 3 Points 2 days ago

Married men might also choose not to cheat because their wives stapled their balls to the table financially when they got married and they don't want to give up their life's work.

[-] TheGreatConst 2 Points 2 days ago

Logical and reasonable beings? From a logical and reasonable point of view, there is no harm in cheating as long as you aren't getting caught or getting any STDs/pregnancies. And there are many benefits proven by studies.

Rather, most men don't cheat because they are socially brainwashed. And women could be socially brainwashed even more. Do you really honestly believe that 100% of women cheat? No matter how many studies you explore, it is just not true. Denying proven facts and reality doesn't do Redpill any good, it makes people view it more like blackpill or incels. A significant percentage of women never cheated on their partner for whatever reason. Be it because of their parents, religion, or just because their man is the best they could ever get. It is just a fact, you can't deny it. All women are hypergamous, all men are polygamous. Both statements are, to some extent, are facts. So, AWALT is true. But "all women always cheat" and "all women always act on emotions in 100% cases" is just reality denialism. If women were unable to control themselves no matter what, most of them would be killed in any Muslim country. The reason why things you say seem even remotely believable is only that you probably live in a western country where society is feminized to an unbelievable extent and women barely have any repercussions for cheating or divorce. On the contrary, they are REWARDED. If you financially reward women for divorce then, of course, they wouldn't be so afraid of cheating and even eager to do it. In some less developed countries, a husband can even beat his wife for cheating on him - legally. So yeah, it is more about society than women. Moreover... I've never encountered any woman who will cheat on a husband who holds a total dominance over her and their family. From my experience of talking to different men, women cheat only if they are equal to husband or above him in the family hierarchy. In families where the husband is the boss of the family women don't even have any inclination to cheat.

[-] The-ls 8 Points 2 days ago

You’re right

[-] SalporinRP 32 Points 3 days ago

It is almost impossible to adopt a kid as a single male, at least in the US

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[-] tyrryt 2 Points 2 days ago

Agree that marriage is a certain loser for a man, but if you want to raise children right, there's no other option. Surrogate mother or fatherless homes aren't sufficient.

Your only hope is to find a very, very traditional woman from a conservative house, early, and have the kids as soon as possible before she goes too berzerk.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 37 Points 3 days ago

First, you don't have to get married to have kids. Plenty of people do it all the time.

Second, kids are overrated. They cry and poop a lot. And you can wind up with loser kids instead of awesome ones. While children can bring joy, there's nothing "noble" about having them.

"But I want my line to continue..."

Stop it.

My genes (including my all-important, gives me a penis "Y" chromosome, in some cases) will be promulgated onward by my various sisters and cousins.

If you think in terms of Astronomical Time, you realize that we are only here for a blink of an eye. This is also why I am never particularly interested in riding forth and conquering the tribe that lives over yon hill. Am I interested in taking steps to make sure they don't flip that on us? Sure. But let's keep things in perspective. If I preg up one of my girls I'm fine with it. If I don't, I'm fine with that, also.

I you really want to have kids, here is Blackdragon's 12 Step Program for Safely Having Kids with a Woman.

[-] TheGweatandTewwible 35 Points 3 days ago

You sound like a shill lol whether or not you want to continue your line should be no concern to anyone. But never mind that, humans for thousands and thousands of years have had the urge to keep their bloodline going and now suddenly we should suppress that because of a few SJW harpies up top? Get some balls and fight for the nuclear family

[-] adam-l 1 Point 2 days ago

The thing is, your genes do not belong to you. You belong to your genes. Organisms do a whole lot of stupid things as far as they themselves are concerned, only because it makes sense for the little bastards (their genes) that own them.

Try to keep yourself happy, snap out of the zombie ideology of promoting "your" genes.

Everyone arguing about "promoting my genes" through a family is a hypocrite, actually. The best way to, well, "promote your genes" is becoming a sperm donor. By far. But no, what you really care about is escaping the "war of the sexes" through the "nuclear family" fairy-tale. Ironically, that will only push you deeper into the war of the sexes and in much worse terms, rather than saving you from it.

[-] TheGweatandTewwible 1 Point 2 days ago

Zombie ideology? I'm going for the very thing I was against and was taught as as a teenager. You look around and an overwhelming amount of millennials/zoomers are anti-natalists (this board is a perfect example). You're not waking up or being rebellious; everybody hates the idea of having kids nowadays.

"nuclear family" fairy-tale

When you want to dismantle a society, the first thing you target is the destruction of the nuclear family. Single parenthood is rampant in the U.S. and look all the good it's done us. That speaks for itself on how powerful this societal structure is, fairy tale or not

The best way to, well, "promote your genes" is becoming a sperm donor

Sure? If one wants kids, one would most likely want to raise them so not sure why you think this is an alternative for that

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 1 Point 2 days ago

When you want to dismantle a society, the first thing you target is the destruction of the nuclear family. Single parenthood is rampant in the U.S. and look all the good it's done us.

^ This has already happened and it wasn't RP Men who did it.

[-] adam-l 0 Points 2 days ago

Just say "I want to raise kids" then, leave the arguments about your "bloodline" aside.

Raising kids seems to be overly popular with conservatives. Imo, this is a result of ultra-individualism: man wasn't built to be so individualist. He was built to live inside a society. Conservatives, separating themselves from "degenerate" society, then need "their own" little tribe to make up for the lack of a tribe feeling. Hence, they resort to child-making.

[-] TheGweatandTewwible 1 Point 2 days ago

I don't understand how raising kids and keeping your line alive can't go hand in hand. It's not mutually exclusive. I want to raise the next generation but also not have to creampie random STD-thots or give my sperm to a bank where God knows who raises my kid.

Imo, this is a result of ultra-individualism: man wasn't built to be so individualist.

I agree man wasn't built to be ultra-individualist but you got it all wrong. Having a kid is the exact opposite of being selfish when you have to raise, teach and take care of a human being for 18+ years. The reason why the nuclear family is important is BECAUSE man was made to live in a society that mutually cooperates.

Conservatives, separating themselves from "degenerate" society, then need "their own" little tribe to make up for the lack of a tribe feeling. Hence, they resort to child-making.

First of all, every human has a need to fit in somewhere. TRP isn't any different than MGTOW, feminists, Christians, atheists or degenerates in that regard. "Degenerates" are also tribal (hippies, music festivals, porn conventions).

What I don't understand is how you can apply your statement above to me when TRP is literally built on the foundation of amoralism and selfishness. Hell, it preaches itself as so. I don't know if you diverge from that line of thought (I know I do) but it seems like cognitive dissonance to say that wanting to raise the next generation of society is selfish and fucking random pussy is living for society lol

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 1 Point 2 days ago

The best way to, well, "promote your genes" is becoming a sperm donor.

There was a time I considered this, back in the day. A friend of mine suggested it to me. But then I had a think about where my jizz would end up - dripping out of a turkey baster into the dusty, well-past-its-sell-by-date womb of some SJW, or SJW-adjacent, career bitch.

I couldn't do that to my kids.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev -12 Point 3 days ago

Hey, you do you, bro'. I'm not on the SJW side, here. It's not my fault you can't get girls to breed.

[-] TheGweatandTewwible 28 Points 3 days ago

See, you talk about us "denigrating" your lifestyle and then you say passive-aggressive woman stuff like:

It's not my fault you can't get girls to breed.

For a lot of men, raising the next generation of humans is more noble than fucking 18 yo sex slaves. Who would've thought?

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 17 Points 3 days ago

See, you talk about us "denigrating" your lifestyle and then you say passive-aggressive woman stuff like:

So, the first was in response to the usual White Knight Pill "I am more NOBLE than you" faggotry. If someone else wants to lead a different lifestyle than me, I'm fine with it.

then you say passive-aggressive woman stuff like:

Son, those are just stone cold facts. Go look at the birthrates among the non-Uruk Hai populations in N.America and W. Europe and get back to me. If me pointing out the truth is "passive-aggressive woman stuff" (cough-cough) then you are faaaaaaar too sensitive.

For a lot of men, raising the next generation of humans is more noble than fucking 18 yo sex slaves. Who would've thought?

Oh, noes! Another White Knight Pill faggot judging me because I don't buy into the blue pill "I want has leetle BABIEZ!!!" narrative. Whatever shall I do?

Look, if guys want to go have kids...then go have kids. Don't get mad at me because I tell you the truth about modern marriage. It sux. It's hard work. Your kids might be cool or they might be assholes. I'm telling you the TRUTH. Stop acting like I took away all your toys.

[-] DadBod2ChadBod 4 Points 2 days ago

Never change Uncle Vasya. You're too Black Pilled for me but having a guy like you around the place dropping truth bombs helps me not drift back into Blue Pilled cuckboy thinking. You're of course completely right about the whole next generation thing, but I'd rather live the lie and pretend that my choices now will matter for my bloodline 2 generations down the line.

I believe that children and legacy is important for well-being into your later years. I respect all of the facts stated, I draw different conclusions from them.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 1 Point 2 days ago

You're too Black Pilled

I just hold up the mirror and force guys to look into it. It would be dishonest of me to do anything else.

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[-] 1vedicshaman -7 Point 3 days ago

It's amusing that you're trying so hard to convince him that you're position is correct. It sounds like your ego is trying to defend itself because you heard an uncomfortable truth instead of a pleasant lie.

[-] TheGweatandTewwible 13 Points 3 days ago

And the uncomfortable truth is...?

I'm not "trying so hard". Just simply pointing out something

[-] GildanOverlord 3 Points 3 days ago

You really think I am a SJW because I stated an opinion that wasn´t in line with yours ?

I am absolutely not an SJW and have never been one. You really didn´t even properly address my points or engage with my response earlier.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 7 Points 3 days ago

You really think I am a SJW because I stated an opinion that wasn´t in line with yours ?

I didn't say you were; I was replying to the other guy who brought up SJWs.

You really didn´t even properly address my points or engage with my response earlier.

I did, just not in the way you wanted. Srsly, why you so mad, bro'? I live my life as I choose, and I encourage you to do the same. Instead, you gotta lifestyle-shame me because what I want to do with my life is somehow letting the team down.

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[-] VasiliyZaitzev 45 Points 3 days ago

So I'm not stopping you from doing what you want. You want to get married and have kids? Have at it, bro'.

That said, being married and having kids is a lot of work. And >50% of marriages end in divorce, so you may not get a choice in living as a bachelor.

Staying a Bachelor forever isn´t living the dream, neither are all your slave girl fantasies.

It's living my dream. And it's my reality. Just because you couldn't put it together doesn't mean I can't. And really, what business is if of yours how I live my life?

Every single time this type of topic comes up you talk about kid´s poop like your mortal enemy is a diaper.

Hey, I've actually changed diapers. That said, guys have hazy blue pill view that, some day in the indeterminate future, they will meet their One Special Unicorn...life doesn't work that way.

It´s quite obvious that the life you lead is incredibly vain and boring with no clear end game or purpose.

What's obvious is that you feel the need to denigrate my lifestyle to prop up your feelings about your own. But hey, you do you.

All you "Endorsed Contributors" who constantly attack marriage like it´s the most pathetic thing in the world are in reality supporting the erosion of the one thing that constitutes the foundation of healthy communities: the nuclear family.

Hey, it wasn't me who killed marriage and the nuclear family. I would actually do quite well in a TradCon world - I was around for the tail end of the "Golden Age" of TranConLand. But I'm also not going to pretend that the bastardized version we have on offer today is anything but an echo of that. You can march over the cliff like a lemming and proclaim how 'masculine' you are, but you will just wind up dead on the rocks below.

And if all, or substantially all, of the ECs are saying the same thing, that should give you pause.

Keep on feeding young, impressionable men these degenerate ideas of masculinity

Keep on (metaphorically) sucking yourself off about your "moral superiority".

[-] WitnessTheTruth 17 Points 3 days ago

It’s always telling when the person you reply to deletes their message. Weak motherfuckers can’t even stand by their word these days because they don’t believe in their word. They want validation...almost like guys these days act like women...wait a minute.

[-] NormalAndy 2 Points 2 days ago

Reddit allows you to hit the nuclear button and then cover up your crimes.

Unless of course Vasily quotes and rebuts you to death- no escape ha ya ya!

He may not want to “ride over yon hill” But if you make him, he’ll fuck you up.

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[-] NormalAndy 3 Points 2 days ago

Yeh- you keep on telling yourself that m8.

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[-] DadBod2ChadBod 2 Points 2 days ago

Stfu. Uncle Vasya is a fucking king. While I choose to lead a different life, his pearls of wisdom are fucking amazing and you shouldn't denigrate someone because they don't agree with you 100% on all things.

Genuinely, I slayed 5 in 7 weeks after applying one of his guides. The man understands attraction and alpha. Listen to experts, come to your own judgements.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 1 Point 2 days ago

Genuinely, I slayed 5 in 7 weeks after applying one of his guides.

Wow. Congrats on your success. I haz Strong Magick! /heh

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[-] bearholdingbeer 0 Points 2 days ago

Lmao, just dm him and meet up to suck his dick already

[-] GildanOverlord 1 Point 2 days ago

None of my messages have been deleted, some have been edited to fix spelling errors or correct garmmatical errors. Ignore this message if you weren't refering to me.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 1 Point 2 days ago

None of my messages have been deleted

At least one has, but you probably can't see that from your account.

The one I replied to that has this line in it: "Staying a Bachelor forever isn´t living the dream, neither are all your slave girl fantasies," is gone, at least for the rest of us. If you have an alt, take a look.

[-] KillYourInnerLoser 15 Points 3 days ago

Good rebuttals; it's clear you're very happy in yourself. I mean that sincerely - I'm happy when someone genuinely likes themselves and the lifestyle they've built, and it's clear you do.

-Andy

[-] BriefcaseHead2 5 Points 3 days ago

dw we expect his post on asktrp asking for advice on his dead bedroom in a few years

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 10 Points 3 days ago

No joke. "But...but she was SPECIAL..."

[-] TheGweatandTewwible 4 Points 3 days ago

Eye roll. It's another episode of "heh if you don't fuck twenty bitches PER weekend, say goodbye to your marriage, chode"

[-] GildanOverlord 3 Points 3 days ago

I have posted on asktrp for advice before and if I feel the need to I will do so again, is this supposed to discourage people from asking for advice ?

[-] DadBod2ChadBod 5 Points 2 days ago

When I post on asktrp I hope someone like Uncle Vasya responds. He even responded to my messages personally and he's someone I've got advice from off the sub in the past.

I absolutely respect the community's right to point out and even make fun of my ridiculous mistakes as and when I make them. I come to Red Pill for truth, not bullshit.

[-] MilkMoney111 4 Points 2 days ago

not at all. it's just making fun of a common situation when a guy is given the odds and chooses anyways to try and beat them... only to wind up back here asking "how can I unfuck myself?"

they'll always give advice. but they might poke fun a bit too

[-] GildanOverlord 0 Points 3 days ago

It's living my dream. And it's my reality. Just because you couldn't put it together doesn't mean I can't. And really, what business is if of yours how I live my life?

How would you know if I did or didn´t put it together ? You just made an assumption based on what ? You realize, trying to tell people how to life their lives then responding like that to criticism about your own lifestyle is hilariously hypocritical right ?

Hey, I've actually changed diapers. That said, guys have hazy blue pill view that, some day in the indeterminate future, they will meet their One Special Unicorn...life doesn't work that way.

Fair enough, I assumed you didn´t but if you have then my comment was pointless and uncalled for. Regardless, finding someone to have an emotional bond with (and I´m not talking about crying about your feelings in front of that person) is not equal to being on a pointless hunt for that One Special Unicorn.

What's obvious is that you feel the need to denigrate my lifestyle to prop up your feelings about your own. But hey, you do you.

That´s just another assumption. My life has had it´s up´s and downs but it is a work in progress and I feel happier than I used to about my current circumstances. If you get to criticise a certain way of living so do I, your reaction here again comes off as hypocritical in my opinion.

Keep on (metaphorically) sucking yourself off about your "moral superiority".

I don´t make any statements regarding my own morality or masculinity being inferior or superior by pointing out that the pointless hedonism you guys keep preaching should not be conflated with masculinity.

My comment was probably worded too antagonistic but at the same time they were my honest thoughts at the time I typed them. You have helped me realize the way I went about starting this conversation was probably misguided but I still stand by the criticism I was trying to express.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 7 Points 2 days ago

How would you know if I did or didn´t put it together ?

Is that a trick question?

You just made an assumption based on what ?

The general, preachy "I have to sneer at your lifestyle because it doesn't support my worldview" vibe. Guys who are confident in themselves don't make that move. Similarly, guys who say shit like "your slave girl fantasies" aren't "living the dream" have a whiff of "sour grapes" about them.

You realize, trying to tell people how to life their lives then responding like that to criticism about your own lifestyle is hilariously hypocritical right ?

Except I'm not. In fact, what I wrote was: "So I'm not stopping you from doing what you want. You want to get married and have kids? Have at it, bro'." I also posted a link to Blackdragon's article on "how to safely have kids with a woman".

I long ago tendered my resignation as General Manager of the Universe, and everyone can do what they want, and live with whatever consequences there may be. I get to have my own opinions, and when someone wants to talk shit about my lifestyle, etc., I get to rebut them.

Regardless, finding someone to have an emotional bond with (and I´m not talking about crying about your feelings in front of that person) is not equal to being on a pointless hunt for that One Special Unicorn.

Hey, go do what you want to do. Nobody is stopping you.

That´s just another assumption.

No it's not. I actually quoted you doing it: "Keep on feeding young, impressionable men these degenerate ideas of masculinity"

There was also the bit about how I was somehow letting the team down because I somehow killed the nuclear family or some shit. To wit: All you "Endorsed Contributors" who constantly attack marriage like it´s the most pathetic thing in the world are in reality supporting the erosion of the one thing that constitutes the foundation of healthy communities: the nuclear family.

I didn't "kill the nuclear family." Neither did the other ECs. I don't have to wife up some tatted up bar slut (before all the good ones are taken!) to save Western Civilization.

Marriage was hard before the courts were weaponized against men; now you have a >50% chance of getting financially and emotionally destroyed because you trusted some creature that can't decide what she wants for dinner to love you for the rest of her life without changing her mind. This is NOT a safe bet.

If I said, "Hey, let's go skydiving tomorrow, and don't worry, the chutes open just under half the time." Would you go? I hope not, because that would be retarded. But that's basically what marriage is.

I don´t make any statements regarding my own morality or masculinity being inferior or superior by pointing out that the pointless hedonism you guys keep preaching should not be conflated with masculinity.

^ You did it right there. In that sentence.

You have helped me realize the way I went about starting this conversation was probably misguided but I still stand by the criticism I was trying to express.

I agree on that first part. You may need to work on the second part.

[-] GildanOverlord 1 Point 2 days ago

Is that a trick question?

Maybe a bit convoluted in it´s construction but ultimately what I am asking here is pretty clear, what do you base that initial assumption on?

The general, preachy "I have to sneer at your lifestyle because it doesn't support my worldview" vibe. Guys who are confident in themselves don't make that move. Similarly, guys who say shit like "your slave girl fantasies" aren't "living the dream" have a whiff of "sour grapes" about them.

You´re right that I worded my initial comment rather carelessly but that does not reflect a lack of confidence or self-esteem, rather I lacked the insight to properly articulate my viewpoint at the time.

I get to have my own opinions, and when someone wants to talk shit about my lifestyle, etc., I get to rebut them.

Of course you are entitled to your own opinions but by that logic so is everyone else, right ? And if you perceive that opinion as an attack you rebut it like the way you did and from that a discussion can arise, also you´re in a space where the majority of the community supports your viewpoint anyway, you stand nothing to lose by engaging in a dialogue with a critic here.

No it's not. I actually quoted you doing it: "Keep on feeding young, impressionable men these degenerate ideas of masculinity"

I don´t see how that quote proves my comment was about propping up my own lifestyle at all.

I didn't "kill the nuclear family." Neither did the other ECs. I don't have to wife up some tatted up bar slut (before all the good ones are taken!) to save Western Civilization.

My point was not that you as a group are actively seeking to "kill" the nuclear family, you are exaggerating what I said to make it look baseless. Also, I never implied that you yourself are required to marry a woman with low quality to save any type of civilization.

Marriage was hard before the courts were weaponized against men; now you have a >50% chance of getting financially and emotionally destroyed because you trusted some creature that can't decide what she wants for dinner to love you for the rest of her life without changing her mind. This is NOT a safe bet.

Marriage has never been easy and has always had that risk involved. It not being a safe bet is not a good arguement against it, driving a car isn´t a safe bet either.

If I said, "Hey, let's go skydiving tomorrow, and don't worry, the chutes open just under half the time." Would you go? I hope not, because that would be retarded. But that's basically what marriage is

You could apply this logic to any sort of statistic that proves that a certain activity has negative consequences. You can die of cardiac arrest and strokes, is that a good arguement against living and breathing ? You can die in a car accident, you can die by consuming the wrong food, perhaps food you´re allergic to but you´re not aware of that allergy, you could get killed in a fight with a friend because a woman or alcohol was involved.

Risk of negative consequence is not a strong arguement in my opinion.

^ You did it right there. In that sentence.

Actually you´re right, it seems I am not yet able to make that point without coming off as hypocritical.

I agree on that first part. You may need to work on the second part.

Yes, I have learned that I am still rather simplistic and short sighted while trying to construct my arguements but this is effectivly the best kind of practice, trying to make an arguement and then having it deconstructed and criticized is very helpful and I am grateful for every comment that points out the flaws in my reasoning.

[-] woodensho 2 Points 3 days ago

Really great advice. Looked at the username and of course it’s an EC.

The part about astronomical time is super important and I completely agree with it.

[-] thrwy75479 1 Point 3 days ago

My genes (including my all-important, gives me a penis "Y" chromosome, in some cases) will be promulgated onward by my various sisters and cousins.

What if, like yourself, all dudes decided to not have kids?

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 12 Points 3 days ago

Well, we seem to be headed toward 8 Billion people, so that doesn't seem to be a problem, does it? It's like saying "Hey what's going to happen to the Earth when the Sun turns into a red giant?" Well, first, the Earth is going to be well and truly fucked, but the real answer is: from our perspective, it doesn't matter. We'll all be long dead.

[-] 1vedicshaman -6 Point 3 days ago

Seeing a negative score on a solid comment from VasiliyZaitzev? Must be 2020. PSA: if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, shut your goddam mouth and learn from someone who does know his ass from his hands, such as Vasiliy. As men, the surest path to advancement is finding a quality mentor who can guide you to the promise land and tell you to man the fuck up in a way that is useful. You don't show up and bitch at the sensei because you don't like what he said. If you want to make progress, learn from someone who has already successfully done what it is that you want to do: end of story. This works in everything law enforcement, military, combat sports, business, trading, coding, you fucking name it...learn from someone who is where you want to be and ignore their teaching at your own peril. Ask questions, of course, but why ask if you're going to reject the answer because you don't like it?

[-] GildanOverlord 4 Points 3 days ago

Seeing a negative score on a solid comment from VasiliyZaitzev? Must be 2020

If you don´t see how this is an utterly repulsive viewpoint to have as a self respecting, critical thinking adult man then all hope is lost for you.

As men, the surest path to advancement is finding a quality mentor who can guide you to the promise land and tell you to man the fuck up in a way that is useful.

There is a difference between a mentor and an idolized prophet.

If you want to make progress, learn from someone who has already successfully done what it is that you want to do: end of story

To make real progress, you don´t just emulate behavior, you take note of the things that you feel will enrich your life and reject what you feel unworthy. If you just emulate and make no decisions or changes for your own individual experience you´re just copying and that leads you exactly nowhere but the same place.

Ask questions, of course, but why ask if you're going to reject the answer because you don't like it?

You don´t think shutting out discourse and criticism will lead to stagnation and endless cycles of the same rehashed content ? Your hero and savior litteraly copy pastes his answers these days.

[-] Redagogue 3 Points 2 days ago

He's respected because he has contributed good content for years versus rando#235235235 who has new and original criticisms that have been talked about ad naseum for as long as the sub has been around. Giving more weight to the opinion of someone who has earned it is exactly the opposite of idolizing, right? Not going to convince anyone anything if you're going to shit on people above you in the social hierarchy built on merit, and if you don't like that, then you really don't understand the sub.

[-] GildanOverlord 1 Point 2 days ago

I conceded that my initial reply was probably too antagonisitc and came off more as an attack then proper criticism, you are correct that it was the wrong way to go about it.

Nonetheless I still think my actual points were not rebuked, and making assumptions on were both of us stand in any form of social hierarchy except this subreddit is quite inappropiate.

Also, I don't think the stance "you are a random here therefore none of what you say matters" is unhealthy for discussion for a variety of reasons, you might agree or disagree but oft you shut down discourse because you hold one party in higher esteem than the other that's just going to produce an echo chamber at the end of the day.

[-] Redagogue 4 Points 2 days ago

This is an echo chamber by design, which is what you miss. It's heavily moderated. There is a core group of posters singled out for having the appropriate message. Otherwise, it would be watered down and dissipated by all the knock-kneed blue pillers who don't have the balls to say politically incorrect ideas without hemming and hawing. As far as your standing relative to his in this social hierarchy on this subreddit, it's objective fact that you are, in effect, a random relative to him in this context, which is the only one that really matters at this point. It's a patriarchal meritocracy, you don't have a presumption of equality merely by existing, in direct opposition to the way the modern world works. Metaphorically, it would be like a young guy going on his first buffalo hunt arguing with the hunt leader about the best way to throw a spear, unless the young guy can throw the thing better than him then the assumption is that he's wrong.

So, attempting to rationalize that he needs to prove to you that he knows how to throw the spear better is inherently wrong. Demonstrating value, competence, and persuasiveness is the only thing that matters. It also really doesn't help your case that you are arguing against probably the single most fundamental observation of the entire subreddit, upon which most of it sits on, so I'm really just thinking you're out of your depth on this one. Purplepilldebate may be more your speed.

[-] GildanOverlord 1 Point 2 days ago

Fair enough, I hadn't looked into purplepilldebate, thanks for the suggestion.

I have to point out that I wasn't explicitly questioning his spear throwing skills and I do aknowledge that my standing in the context of this subreddit is not equal to that of an Endorsed Contributor, nevertheless I feel like stifling discussion will do the sub more harm than good in the long run.

[-] 1vedicshaman 1 Point 2 days ago

You're missing the point of my comment. TRP is, fundamentally, a skill. We are here to acquire that skill. What I'm suggesting is that you don't outright dismiss a comment because you don't understand it. Generally, people who are accomplished, meaning that they are at or near the top of a competence hierarchy, know what they're doing and it might not be obvious to someone on the outside why they are doing it that particular way. At no point did I suggest a suspension of critical thinking: thinking and doing is how you acquire new skills.

You also seem to be conflating facts with conclusions. A fact is an observation under a set of conditions, but multiple conclusions might be available based on those facts. Vasiliy drew one conclusion and you might draw another based on the same facts. If you aren't as competent as him, then you might take the time to understand why instead of arguing from ego that he must be wrong because his conclusion differs from your conclusion and you simply don't like them. It seems like RP rage; I get it.

If you really want kids, go for it, but don't be surprised if you live in a western nation and end up paying for kids that you never get to see. Sure, your line will continue, but the probability of having a good relationship when the woman decides to bounce with them when women control family court is not favorable.

[-] GildanOverlord 1 Point 2 days ago

TRP is, fundamentally, a skill.

"Red Pill – The recognition and awareness of the way that feminism, feminists and their white-knight enablers affect society. An awareness of the dark truths surrounding human sexuality; hypergamy, women's AF/BB strategies, society's Feminine Imperative, sexual differences in emotional attachment, women's attraction to DT traits and sexual dominance/violence; Extremely politically incorrect, expect reflexive social ostracism for even mentioning the red pill in polite society."

This was directly quoted from the Updated Glossary of Terms and Acronyms, to me this doesn´t read like a specific skill, rather a form of viewing females and society (which I don´t disagree with). Naturally, there is a great amount of good posts here that help you develop a skill and mindset that supports a red pill way of life (which I am grateful for and have made use of).

At no point did I suggest a suspension of critical thinking

You don´t agree that seeing someone as infallible (why can´t people disagree with someone, why does the year in which they disagree matter?) and calling him capable of leading you to a "promised land" is just a ludicrous line of reasoning ?

You also seem to be conflating facts with conclusions. A fact is an observation under a set of conditions, but multiple conclusions might be available based on those facts. Vasiliy drew one conclusion and you might draw another based on the same facts.

Are we then not both conflating conclusions with facts by your own definition ?

If you aren't as competent as him, then you might take the time to understand why instead of arguing from ego that he must be wrong because his conclusion differs from your conclusion and you simply don't like them.

Obviously I don´t like them, if I did all my comments so far would have been utterly pointless. Also, if you would have read all his responses very carefully you wouldn´t even mention ego at all.

If you aren't as competent as him, then you might take the time to understand why instead of arguing from ego that he must be wrong because his conclusion differs from your conclusion and you simply don't like them. It seems like RP rage; I get it.

I conceded already that he does offer fair and valid criticism to the institution of marriage but apparently all my points are going to be swiped away by the accusation of me being "mad" having "RP rage" or being "in a dead bedroom" anyway.

Sure, your line will continue, but the probability of having a good relationship when the woman decides to bounce with them when women control family court is not favorable.

The probability is actually zero if she already decided to do that anyway, there is never going to be a guarantee for a happily ever after, is that supposed to scare people off from even trying ? Don´t you see how infantile that line of reasoning ends up being ?

[-] TheEgyptianConqueror 5 Points 3 days ago

Don't. The world is fucked

[-] TheGweatandTewwible 6 Points 3 days ago

Demoralizing tactics don't help anyone, bud. There's plenty of places where raising a family is possible

[-] TheEgyptianConqueror 3 Points 3 days ago

I'm kind of at the point where, for me, you win the game by not playing. That being said, I've never like kids or wanted to have them, so I guess it's totally different for me.

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[-] PMmeYOURBOOBSandASS 3 Points 3 days ago

Don't get married and have kids instead cultivate a healthy and rewarding life by dedicating your time towards hobbies, skills and knowledge.

[-] Gardener4Life4ever 3 Points 2 days ago

Leave the country for one that encourages women not to yell "Give me what I want or I'll divorce you".

IDK where, maybe Ireland? They're Catholic right?

[-] harbinger1945 3 Points 2 days ago

Hmm not sure about Ireland, but Slovakia/Poland/Czech republic is not a bad place.

Beautiful girls everywhere.

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[-] arakouzo 123 Points 3 days ago

This is what happens when women have power over you.

Remember, all women except for the absolute most ugly of them can get somebody to have sex with them tonight. It takes 15 minutes to set up a Tinder account on their phone, snap a pic, and start messaging with guys. This may be a little more difficult right this very minute due to the virus situation. But most of the time, if a woman wants to have sex, get attention from men, or even find a guy who wants to date her more seriously, it's not that hard. If you have a wife, she doesn't need you for sex, attention, or companionship. She can find that anywhere. That means that unless your sex, attention, and companionship are somehow special, you're worthless. Even though you're her husband, you're just another guy.

When you add in kids, money, and the possibility of divorce, that makes everything even worse. You aren't even just another guy. You're worse than any other guy. Because you are forced to be her lapdog and do whatever she says or you lose your kids and your house and your money. That is very unattractive. Some guy who isn't her lapdog paying her attention is much more attractive than you.

Do not get married. Dangle the carrot, but don't do it. When dangling the carrot stops working, find another girl.

[-] MerryVegetableGarden 24 Points 2 days ago

Dangle the carrot, but don't do it. When dangling the carrot stops working, find another girl.

You’re essentially wasting her clock if she’s a good woman and gullible/naive/innocent enough to trust you (they exist). My sister was homeschooled, lives a very sheltered life, went to a women’s school, and is 110% still a virgin—evident in her naivety, dogmatism, and expressed determination not to give it up the man she won’t marry. You turn out more damaged ones if you misrepresent your attentions; they come out of it with trust issues and a victimhood mentality that they’ll use to justify fucking other dudes over. My sister isn’t jaded or damaged yet, but you’re the type of guy that would do that to her.

[-] ironmans_brother 14 Points 2 days ago

Maybe your sister’s NAWALT. Maybe she’s the magical unicorn. If so then I hope she finds an honorable man to wife her up and they live happily ever after. But the problem is telling the difference when almost all women act like your sister at first. They reveal their true nature once the hook is set.

[-] MilkMoney111 5 Points 2 days ago

she's gonna get that victimhood mentality regardless. if she's sheltered, best believe she's gonna eat up whatever narrative people feed her. dudes are gonna come on to her and think she's a prude and dump her for some tail. she'll find a way to be jaded, trust

[-] TFWyourWaifuDies 14 Points 2 days ago

You speak of this female destined to be jaded, but you should know that with your mindset you too are destined to be jaded. You will want to hurt good people people just because bad people hurt you, and you lose the ability to differentiate between these two groups. You'll become the very thing you hated, the male equivalent of a jaded female.

If you want to satisfy your sexual urges, you should use the millions of sluts that are available out there. Destroying good people because you think they were going to get destroyed anyways is a mindset that will benefit you in the short term but hurt you in the long run. You won't be able to build trust with people anymore, romantic or not.

You may not think much of this, but life is a very empty place without meaningful relationships, whether romantic or otherwise. It's unwise to sabotage your potential at growing in this area.

[-] MilkMoney111 1 Point 2 days ago

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not advocating destroying anyone. I'm saying women find a way to be jaded one way or another

[-] MerryVegetableGarden 1 Point 2 days ago

She might. I don’t think she’d care if a dude dumped her instead of waiting it out and tying the knot. It’s her way of testing a guy.

[-] IveSawitall 0 Points 2 days ago

Fuck with that! she'll ride thousands cucks the moment she have her way. OP is blue billed as fuck. Typical NALWAT

[-] Transport127 18 Points 2 days ago

You just wrote everything I was gonna write

[-] DadBod2ChadBod 8 Points 2 days ago

Do not get married. Dangle the carrot, but don't do it. When dangling the carrot stops working, find another girl.

Do this to sluts, don't do this to all women. I've met some girls from good families who were raised with good values (none of them Western lol), they'd deserve better than this.

[-] UnleashTheWolf 7 Points 2 days ago

You can still have a committed, monogamous relationship without marriage.

All that happens without marriage is that there is more power in the hands of the man, which if he has good principles is a very good thing.

Not getting married is frowned upon because the woman and her family want the feeling of security that comes with locking down a solid provider. If you are a successful and moral man, why would you give away your own security for someone else's?

[-] BeefyBelisarius 2 Points 2 days ago

And for guys who hesitate to do that for religious reasons, there's always the option of an unlicensed 'church marriage' where you're man and wife in the eyes of God, but just dating as far as the state is concerned. Just be sure you aren't in a state with common-law marriage laws.

[-] tyrryt 1 Point 2 days ago

Be careful. In the context of relationships, they're all the same.

Convincing themselves that they found the unicorn has destroyed countless men.

[-] Arnoux 6 Points 2 days ago

When you add in kids, money, and the possibility of divorce, that makes everything even worse. You aren't even just another guy. You're worse than any other guy.

Why worse? If the woman cares at least a little bit about her kid then she knows that having a male partner who brings home nice money is very beneficial to the kid in short and long term as well.

If she risks her relationship with the male then her kid might not get enough support going forward because the male might start a new family later.

It is different sure when the woman is rich already, because she can do whatever she wants. But that is the exception, because most woman are not rich and even if they are they will search for an even richer man.

[-] transmission999 23 Points 2 days ago

You are applying men's thinking and expecting she will use the same rationale. Women are ruled by emotions, and could very well not give a damn about the kids (in the moment she makes her decision). She could view the kids as a weapon against you(in the moment,to achieve what she wants). She can as well think her new guy will be a better father to her kids. Later the consequences of her actions will expose the reality to her and then she will understand or deceive herself otherwise.

[-] NohoTwoPointOh 9 Points 2 days ago

You are applying men's thinking and expecting she will use the same rationale.

This is probably the most fatal mistake that men make.

[-] tyrryt 4 Points 2 days ago

That's the beauty of the modern legal system - once she's married and/or has kids, she gets the benefits without the hassle of actually having to deal with the guy. She has no responsibility to him, it doesn't make any difference if he's happy or not or what he thinks. The money and custody are hers.

That's why the monster starts showing at marriage, and really comes out after the first child. She has no use for the guy at all at that point.

She might keep him around as a babysitter or errand boy, but if he's rich and she can pay for help with the support payments, he's of no use at all.

[-] randarrow 6 Points 3 days ago

My tinder account is going crazy right now....

[-] SpanishTimbrado -1 Point 2 days ago

Isn't the whole point of you being her husband that your sex, attention and companionship are in fact special? Why is it relevant that she could get mediocre sex, attention, companionship somewhere else instantly as long as marriage assumes you're special to each other.

[-] MilkMoney111 10 Points 2 days ago

the whole point of marriage is to lock down resources. nothing to do with being special. a woman wants security and marriage is a convenient deal to guarantee she is provided for in life.

and youre assuming the sex/attention is mediocre. women are emotional. attention from what she perceives a higher value male means hypergamy comes into play. that is more exciting than being married to a chump if she sees you as one. in turn, sex will be more exciting as well.

marriage already puts you on the losing end. power dynamics completely shift towards the woman once you guarantee commitment. youre forever fighting an uphill battle from then on.

[-] SpanishTimbrado 5 Points 2 days ago

May I ask how old you are? I'm genuinely curious.
You sound like you just discovered redpill and this part of the internet yesterday.

There's nothing I can say that will change your mind, you'll either grow as a person and realise women are human beings that are complex and capable of deep thoughts, feelings and can be reliable, loyal, loving, devoted creatures or you'll continue to believe this "women only want resources and security from betabuxx while they fuck chad waaah" thing.

Women don't get married to "lock down resources" in the overwhelming percentage of marriages. They want security, just like men do from committed partners, but they mostly just fall in love with someone. You can argue many couples get married when they shouldn't have because they weren't in fact that special to each other, that doesn't mean there aren't couples in which both parties consider the other very special and irreplaceable, both women and men.

I know it's hard for you to believe right now, but women can fall in love just as deeply as men and no, women are not incapable of loving purely or whatever other shit redpill says unlike us, honorable men, yet so many radical redpillers claim to only put up with women for their looks/ sex, so honorable and self-less.

The world is not black and white, you're not either a beta loser or alpha chad that spins plates and women don't see men like that. Not all women go for fuckboys, most women love their partners and stay faithful, etc. But whatever, why am I trying to de-radicalise people is beyond me.

[-] MilkMoney111 6 Points 2 days ago

May I ask how old you are? I'm genuinely curious.

You sound like you just discovered redpill and this part of the internet yesterday.

  1. been around the game for quite some time. I can't tell if this is projection or what. everything I brought up is general sidebar material

There's nothing I can say that will change your mind, you'll either grow as a person and realise women are human beings that are complex and capable of deep thoughts, feelings and can be reliable, loyal, loving, devoted creatures or you'll continue to believe this "women only want resources and security from betabuxx while they fuck chad waaah" thing.

I'm open to discussion. I've done my growing and thru experience have seen things differently. if your experiences are different, I'm happy for you. but from seeing it happen to me, to others, consistently.... to the point I'm making it happen to others, kinda lifts those curtains.

but they mostly just fall in love with someone.

until they dont. it's conditional, and if you can prove to me otherwise I'll listen. but I don't buy the vague notion and highly subjectivity of love to be an argument

but women can fall in love just as deeply as men and no, women are not incapable of loving purely or whatever other shit redpill says unlike us, honorable men

I'm not arguing they can't. their love is different. that's all, nothing wrong about it. I don't claim to be honorable by any means. I see the game and I play it to my advantage.

The world is not black and white, you're not either a beta loser or alpha chad that spins plates and women don't see men like that. Not all women go for fuckboys, most women love their partners and stay faithful, etc. But whatever, why am I trying to de-radicalise people is beyond me.

not saying that's the case either. I'm making a point that men and women are simply different. and we leverage our advantages differently. I'm not saying to cheat either... you're making a lot of assumptions here. but in order for her to be attracted to you, genuine attraction, and to KEEP it, she's gotta know you CAN cheat. if she has you locked down and youre a pushover, how the fuck are you supposed to provide security now? if little old 120 pound her can control you, how tf are you supposed to control life for her when shit hits the fan? it's the basis for shit testing. she's testing your mettle constantly to see if you can be controlled. she inherently, biologically, DOES NOT want to be able to control you. that puts you into provider territory. hence, marriage is an uphill battle.

[-] SpanishTimbrado -1 Point 2 days ago

Exactly because it is general sidebar material word for word rather than something more intelligent that shows you've filtered the material and reached a personal conclusion is what prompts me to believe you've not done as much thinking on the subject as you think you have.

As I said, I can't convince you of anything because you already think you've reached some enlightened level of wokeness and anything I say will be dismissed as "vague notion of love".

If I say "many women truly fall in love", you'll say "until they don't". What about the ones that never fall out of love after 50 years of marriage? I can simply dismiss your point by saying "then they were never in love in the first place" or even more, I can accept the fact that women are complex humans whose feelings can change over time, just like men and how many men's feelings change over time too.

And no, you are saying they can't. That's one of the elementary redpill shticks, that men are capable of unconditional honorable love, whereas women only love conditionally as long as you're "alpha chad" in their eyes. This is literally what you are saying when you say "she has to know you can cheat" and what redpillers encourage when they claim you need to make your gf/wife feel threatened to keep her attracted to you. As if men don't love conditionally too. What about all the stories of men only "loving" their wives when they're young and hot and then suddenly they just "fell out of love" now that they're not young, free, childless and as good looking. Unconditional and pure, sure.

That's just extremely toxic and it doesn't work like that in the real world. If you're dealing with an immature, genuinely stupid bimbo woman, sure, maybe her entire opinion on you hinges on whether she thinks other women would find you attractive, but what are you doing with that kind of woman in the first place?

You not making your wife feel insecure doesn't mean she "can control you", marriage and healthy relationships are not man vs. woman where the woman tries to break the man and control him and he tries to basically deceive her he's an uncontrollable alpha fuckboi. Not making your wife/ gf insecure is not being a pushover.

That's exactly how you provide security. By proving that you are reliable, loyal, willing to compromise, but also won't accept toxicity from her, disrespect etc. Not by "reminding her you can cheat hrurr durr". If your partner is not aware you can cheat without you making sure "she knows you CAN cheat", they simply don't find you attractive then, which means, again, you either married the wrong person or their feelings changed.

Feelings changing is something that happens to both men and women and it's a risk you must take if you want lifelong companionship, but you can try to mitigate it as much by making sure that your partner views you as special etc. I'm just basically restating my points.

Also provider territory is good territory lmao. Women think it's an attractive quality to BE ABLE to provide for them. You don't have to be either beta buxx or alpha fuxx. Real life people are not internet strawmen.

I can go on for ages, idk. I just don't see the point in these internet debates anymore. I've been part of the whole internet gender wars culture for probably 5 years now. Read everything on redpill, blackpill, incel forums, browsed 4chan for ages, fds, 2xchromosomes, gendercritical, purplepill, etc.

I just don't find them productive anymore, so many people just find a new culture trend to make their identity and either eventually grow out of it themselves by realising real life is more complex than that or just remain stuck in the same mindset all their lives. You do you, man.

[-] MilkMoney111 4 Points 2 days ago

I don't mind a discussion, I'm open ears my man. but you come at me with a lot of assumptions I can't spend time addressing to correct. it reads as if you've taken the material in and didn't like it... and that's fine. if that is your conclusion, more power to you. I've taken the material and it resonated thru all my experiences. some things simply hold true consistently and countlessly throughout my life. I have never lost attraction from a woman by being wanted by other women. Never. Not once. It has only given me advantage in my relationships. that is why it's sidebar material. it's time proven consistent advice that resonated with me. the beauty of it is I can use that info and apply it how I see fit. if I want to be a fuckboi, I can use it... if I want to have a healthy relationship, I can use it. it's a toolbox man, that's all this is. it's all I come here for. and it's why I replied to you initially bc I thought you hadn't gone thru the material and I was condensing it for you.

If this doesnt apply to you and youre happy that's all that matters. your happiness is most important. but if youre trying to change my mind then yeah, most likely this is a waste of time. our experiences are different, our desires are different, and that's okay by me. but if discussion is your goal, I'm always down.

[-] NohoTwoPointOh 5 Points 2 days ago

May I ask how old you are? I'm genuinely curious.
You sound like you just discovered redpill and this part of the internet yesterday.

Much closer to 50 than 40. Everything he said is absolutely correct.

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you'll either grow as a person and realise women are human beings that are complex and capable of deep thoughts, feelings and can be reliable, loyal, loving, devoted creatures

Women initiate over 70% of divorces. That number jumps to 90% among college-educated women. Reliable? Loyal? Devoted? Those words are not in line with what is going on TODAY. These statistics come from a heavily peer-reviewed study from American Law and Economics. If you have any academia research accounts like Oxford library, you can download this study. That said, it is cited everywhere. Search for "Divorce + Boots Are Made for Walking".

Women don't get married to "lock down resources" in the overwhelming percentage of marriages. They want security, just like men do from committed partners,

A man's security is fidelity and companionship. A woman's security is indeed resources. Otherwise, why are women the ones who want the government contract so much? If you answer that question, this discussion takes a different turn.

, that doesn't mean there aren't couples in which both parties consider the other very special and irreplaceable, both women and men.

Data does not support your assertion. Not in the slightest. Are there exceptions to the rule? Of course. There are brightly colored snakes that aren't venomous. There are pre-1999 British motorcycles that don't leak oil. There are bottles of Châteauneuf-du-Pape that taste like shit. But all of these are in the minority. A wise person does not base their actions on exceptions. Hope is not a strategy.

Not all women go for fuckboys, most women love their partners and stay faithful, etc.

What data are you basing this on? Don't cop out and say "all I know is that.." or "I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you." You made these assertions. I'm willing to believe that you have a point--but only if you can show some empirical, long-term, peer-reviewed data to support it. Otherwise, these are simply statements and not even arguments.

[-] SpanishTimbrado 1 Point 2 days ago

If women initiate 70% of divorces how many of them are initiated because of other issues and how many of them were initiated because women are incapable of being reliable, loyal and devoted? You don't know. No one can know. I can, just as well, say that women initiate more divorces because men cheat more.

Women initiate more divorces because men are more likely to become alcoholics or become depressed and unproductive. Women initiate more divorces because men stop making an effort and let go more than women. Women initiate more divorces because men are more likely to not contribute to household chores and women don't have to rely on men for finances anymore, hence they can just leave when they're not being treated fairly.

Is it true? It surely is for some of them. How many of them?
Hence complexity. Hence generalizing 50% of the population because women are more unhappy in marriage and drawing conclusions to fit your narrative is useless. The only conclusion you can fairly draw is "women are more likely than man to want out of their marriage". The end.

Sorry, but women don't want "the government contract" more than men do. This is only in your bubble. The biggest survey I could find is from 2012 said that 83% of men and 84% of women believe "that having a successful marriage was “one of the most important things,” or “very important” in their lives". Men generally want to get married 3 years later than women though, so they might not want it at the same time, but they still want to get married.

A woman's security is fidelity and companionship and resources that she can very much acquire by herself in the 21st century. Women are human, not a different species with entirely different needs.

And no, that is exactly my point. There are exceptions, so your AWALT belief is already wrong. I agree that many people's feelings are maybe more superficial than they originally thought when they first got married etc. as I've said at least 3 times already, human beings are complex. Men are also just as capable of this and very often end up leaving their wives too. Cheating on your wife is the same as leaving her btw, you assume the risk of your marriage being over if you get caught.

I agree that modern divorce courts are harsher on men now, but have you considered that historically maybe it was too easy for men to "fall out of love" with their older wives and just "happen to fall in love" with a much younger woman, leaving their wives with nothing + kids when society made it very hard for women to own anything themselves in the first place? Doesn't sound very fair to me.

If I were a man and wanted to chase some other woman, I'd cheat rather than divorce nowadays, right? And if a woman finds out, she's more likely to divorce now than before since laws are more favorable and she doesn't depend on her husband. Could that maybe be a big contributing factor to that 70% of divorces asked for by women?

Not to discredit that another factor can be women just being more promiscuous/ dishonorable and more likely to afford to stray nowadays, too. I'm simply saying it's a very complex issue and you can't paint in with one brush and say "women suck cause they divorce men more".

So the fact that those exceptions exist, just as you have admitted is exactly why this conversation is meaningless. I believe that most men are horny and incapable of true loyalty too, just like my father cheated on my mum as soon as he became rich and my mum has always been a loyal and honorable woman. Doesn't mean exceptions don't exist and that I can't find a man who's loyal and special. Will this make me stop wanting to have a special life-long commitment to someone? No. It'll just make me be extremely careful who I pick.

I don't find your data convincing in the slightest. Women initiating more divorces means nothing. It's not as simple as you want it to be. Accurate data on faithfulness in marriage is impossible to obtain, you can't do a scientific study to know who cheated and who didn't.

If anything, most studies I wouldn't trust much because they are self-reported, but would in fact only help my point, point to men cheating more than women. So not sure how you want me to make you believe that women are just as capable as men, if not more if you want data, to stay faithful to their partners.
https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america

[-] NohoTwoPointOh 2 Points 2 days ago

Sorry, but women don't want "the government contract" more than men do.

You are not operating in reality.

The wedding industry is dominated by the demand of women. It is a $119 BILLION dollar industry.

In North America, women are also incentivized to break the government contract through a lethal combination of no-fault divorce, alimony, and Title IV-D in the USA.

Women initiate more divorces because men are more likely to become alcoholics or become depressed and unproductive. Women initiate more divorces because men stop making an effort and let go more than women. Women initiate more divorces because men are more likely to not contribute to household chores and women don't have to rely on men for finances anymore, hence they can just leave when they're not being treated fairly.

If this is true, why do women choose to marry? Surely, you're not going to pull the "babe in the woods" routine... There has to be a reason, right? Hopefully, it won't shift agency or accountability.

[-] dusara217 3 Points 2 days ago

Okay, so a couple of things here.

There's nothing I can say that will change your mind, you'll either grow as a person and realise women are human beings that are complex and capable of deep thoughts

This is true of any debate in any circumstance. People change their mind when they are receptive to new information, but offering a different perspective will give them the opportunity to be receptive in the first place.

Human psychology is extremely complex, obviously women are not an exception to that. However, there are patterns that can be observed across groups of people, and these patterns are what the idea of AF/BB comes from.

but women can fall in love just as deeply as men and no, women are not incapable of loving purely or whatever other shit redpill says unlike us, honorable men, yet so many radical redpillers claim to only put up with women for their looks/ sex, so honorable and self-less.

The claim is not that women are incapable of love, but rather that men and women love differently. Men tend to fall in love with an ideal of the relationship they can have with someone. Women tend to fall in love with the most socially and sexually attractive someone that they can find. Men love idealistically, women love opportunistically, according to this idea.

The world is not black and white, you're not either a beta loser or alpha chad that spins plates and women don't see men like that. Not all women go for fuckboys, most women love their partners and stay faithful, etc

Of course not. Alpha describes those actions intended to be sexually desirable while Beta describes those actions intended to be emotionally desirable but generally tend to be a bit of a turn-off; they're placeholder terms. If you want a stable long-term relationship, you have to display both kinds of action. If you're only looking for sex, then obviously you don't. TRP generally recommends to get as much experience with women as possible (ie spin plates for few years) before jumping into an LTR or marriage so that you can understand how to use both kinds of action and thus maintain a relationship without screwing yourself over.

[-] SpanishTimbrado 1 Point 2 days ago

If redpill was only talking about patterns, it wouldn't promote terms like AWALT and oneitis. What you're presenting is the 'nice face' of redpill, we both know it has a much uglier face which most users praise and follow. Otherwise, not every guy that falls in love and wants a LTR with a girl he considers special would be met with a "just fuck another plate, dude. You got oneitis".

I don't agree with that claim. Simple. Women fall in love with ideas of relationships just as much. Women love idealistically just as much. Women often say "I don't know how I didn't see him for who he really was". "I never expected him to hit me", "I never thought he'd be one to cheat" etc. This happens to both men and women.

They don't love differently as a gender. You can make a case that some particular individuals, subgroups, may love differently. Just as some men only "love" women for their looks and some women only "love" men for what they provide materially. Can you make the case that overall men are more inclined to be more attracted to women for their looks whereas women are more inclined to be attracted to men for their status? Sure. But it's only an inclination for many and people are widely different and are not slaves to their basic human instincts.

I don't agree with that definition of Beta and Alpha. I don't believe Betas are emotionally desirable in any way. Being emotionally open/ committed and displaying vulnerability and love is not Beta. If anything a man who is aware and in control and not fucking terrified and ashamed of feeling things and owns his emotions can be incredibly Alpha. I only consider Alpha and Beta to be energy terms. It's an energy you have. I believe an Alpha guy can do the same thing as a Beta guy and it'll come across completely differently because they just do it with a different energy.

This is all extremely abstract anyway and we can get lost in terminology translation. I think recommending as much experience as possible is so stupid, I just can't, I'm sorry. I would not consider dating a guy who's had more than MAX 10 partners. I hold high standards for myself and would only be interested in a guy who's not been giving out his validation to any good looking girl who'd want it.

I'm only attracted to men who have displayed a good history of not being thirsty and who care about who they give attention to. It makes perfect sense to me since I think finding an actually special relationship is extremely hard and it can take YEARS. You shouldn't have time to chase stupid plates and bang hoes to "practice". A man with too much sexual past is of no value to me.

[-] dusara217 2 Points 2 days ago

Otherwise, not every guy that falls in love and wants a LTR with a girl he considers special would be met with a "just fuck another plate, dude. You got oneitis".

Except they aren't. The main sidebar literally has a guide for unicorn hunting, and the sidebar of askTRP has multiple posts intended to help people in LTRs and marriages.

I'm only attracted to men who have displayed a good history of not being thirsty and who care about who they give attention to. It makes perfect sense to me since I think finding an actually special relationship is extremely hard and it can take YEARS. You shouldn't have time to chase stupid plates and bang hoes to "practice". A man with too much sexual past is of no value to me.

Actions and words are very different things. Maybe you're the exception to the rule, but most women aren't going to turn away Leonardo Dicaprio just because he has a high N-count.

Look, if you want a productive discussion you'd be better off at r-RedPillWomen. Just about all of the guys here are approaching things from a radically different perspective from where you are.

[-] tyrryt 3 Points 2 days ago

Women don't get married to "lock down resources" in the overwhelming percentage of marriages.

How do you substantiate a claim like that? It certainly has been the case in every marriage I am personally aware of.

I don't care to look up the statistics to prove it, but it is strange how "special and irreplaceable" a guy is seems, almost, perfectly correlated to how much money he makes and/or how popular he is.

[-] SpanishTimbrado 1 Point 2 days ago

Oh, what a big sample size. Compelling argument. Do I need to substantiate my claim? It's the accepted notion for the majority of people.

I can simply say "it certainly hasn't been the case in any marriage I am personally aware of". That's enough by your standards, right?

You should look up statistics if you want to prove a point like that. Do women care about "resources"? Yes. Do men also care about "resources"? Yes. You are aware dowry is a thing that has existed for all of human history in many cultures. Women were forced to care more about whether men could bring in resources, because women weren't allowed to work.

Well, they are now and more and more women care less about money than ever before. Does that mean women want a man who's jobless and poor? No. It is simply a social cue for laziness and unreliability in a society where how much a one works and earns is largely correlated with being a successful and reliable individual.

So it's not strange, no, because it's not true. I don't understand why I constantly have to reiterate that women are no one monolith and they are attracted to different things. Are popular and financially successful people usually more liked? Uh, yes? Isn't that self-explanatory when you say they are popular? Have you stopped to consider that the reason they are more popular and rich is often because they possess many characteristics that end up in making them popular and rich? Such as being intelligent, hard working, funny, etc.

[-] dusara217 2 Points 2 days ago

Well, they are now and more and more women care less about money than ever before

This is factually and statistically incorrect. The more educated a woman is, the more she wants to marry a man that makes more than her. Women mate across and up hierarchies - this means that women prefer men that are equal or superior to them in any number of hierarchies, be that social, economic, or physical. This trend has not decreased in the slightest in recent years.

Reference Gender Asymmetry in Educational and Assortative Marriage in the Journal of Marriage and Family

[-] tyrryt 2 Points 2 days ago

in a society where how much a one works and earns is largely correlated with being a successful and reliable individual.

Not an "individual", only a man. Men do not base their estimation of a woman, in a relationship context, on how much she makes or has. A man marrying a rich woman for her money is a traditional target for scorn, while a woman doing so is normal, and she will be mocked for marrying a man who makes less than she.

And it's not "this society" - it's every society, on every continent, throughout the entirety of history (excepting isolated minisule exceptions, of course).

There are some differences amongst the population, and a small portion of outliers, but there are general universal themes that are pervasive over history and cultures. Women attempting to attract the man with the most resources and highest status is one of them. Men choosing the most attractive and fertile of those women is another.

To argue that this is not a fundamental dynamic of humanity is intellectually dishonest wokeism, and frankly silly.

[-] 319Skew 2 Points 2 days ago

I'm going to guess 3 things. Please feel free to correct me.

  1. You don't spin plates.

  2. You have never been divorced.

  3. You believe that you have a solid foundation and perspective on the human psychology - particularly the female mind.
[-] SpanishTimbrado -4 Point 2 days ago

I'm a woman, so yes, yes, yes.

I'm not a "plate" and don't do casual relationships/ sex.

I'm sure I have a much solid perspective on the female mind than you do, surprise.

[-] 319Skew 3 Points 2 days ago

I'm not surprised. Like at all.

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From what you wrote, I either assumed that you were a guy that's never been dated multiple women, experienced divorce, on an ego trip OR you were a woman and I was right.

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Since you're not a guy, there's really no point in having a discussion on here.

It's not because I hate women or don't think you're capable of making sound arguments. You seem to write well and put structure to what you think.

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It's just that I don't believe in having a discussion on TRP with a woman regarding why it may not be the best idea for her to give relationship advice when the overwhelming majority of men here are here because listening to relationship advice from a woman wasn't beneficial. It'd be like me giving you advice on how to deal with childbirth.

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At any rate, best of luck on your quest to " de-radicalise people".

[-] SpanishTimbrado 1 Point 2 days ago

I'm obviously not on a quest to de-radicalise people, I simply feel compelled to write a comment now and then when I see something I too strongly disagree with or whatever.

I also don't believe that dismissing my advice as bad because I'm a woman makes much sense. I also don't think the overwhelming majority of men are here because of the reason you mentioned. Many of my male friends also read the Redpill and we like to engage in discussion and criticism of what we read, both here and on female subs like FDS. I don't believe their opinions on FDS are irrelevant because they are men.

You can give me advice on how to deal with childbirth if you are a gynecologist and know the subject. It's not important that you are male. I can give you advice on how to deal with women when I am a woman and I obviously believe I understand myself better than a man can based off some generalized things he reads on a subreddit.

I wouldn't even advise most men not to read TRP, for many it could very well be more valuable advice than they've ever received from women. I am aware that many women do not practice what they preach, are often not aware of what they actually want, or just want to come across a certain way, maybe less superficial or whatever, and give shitty or dishonest advice. Platitudes like "just be yourself". However, my main point that I'm just trying to preach is that I wish I saw more discourse on TRP that emphasized the fact that AWALT is a radical belief and an unhealthy mindset.

It's good to keep a skeptical eye out and not take all that women say at face value, be aware that women, just as men, can lie, change their minds, manipulate you, cheat, etc.

One example of what I wish to achieve by talking to people would be: TRP acknowledging the fact that if men exist who are able to overcome their supposedly polygamous nature, there is no reason why women can't exist who overcome their supposedly hypergamous nature. Believing otherwise is simply sexist. One gender is not more capable of introspective thinking than the other. Drop the AWALT and Oneitis narratives, etc. That's the only parts I'd classify as "radical" really. The rest is just eh, but would love to see TRP acknowledging that women are not psychologically inferior to men as they usually imply.

But if you don't believe a discussion with a woman can be useful, whatever dude.

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[-] Basketcase772 1 Point 2 days ago

i can see your points, and i agree partially, and i may be the exception, but as a women, marriage not just about being provided, its having the security of partnership too. its like signing up for a promise of a lasting relationship. i want love, and it todays liquid society, staying a virgin and marrying a high value man, is the only way for me to have a solid loving relationship.

[-] arakouzo 6 Points 2 days ago

Many men make the mistake of assuming that they are special simply because of a title they have. Boyfriend, husband, whatever. Just because you happened to come along 2 years before the current guy she's attracted to and you have the title of husband doesn't make her not attracted to the other guy.

[-] SpanishTimbrado 1 Point 2 days ago

I agree there are situations like this where people get married simply because it seems the normal thing to do at a certain point in life, but those are normie commodity marriages and I feel like using them to disregard the concept of marriage is stupid.

I would never get married to someone I wasn't 100% certain was special and not replaceable and not only that, but I'd make sure my partner felt the same. So if people get married to women without first screening for this, that's their problem.

I agree that titles make many guys assume that their girlfriend/ wives see them as irreplaceable and that often time it's not the case, but just don't get married unless you dig deep into your relationship to make sure of this specifically, that you are in fact special to her and it's not "just your turn".

[-] arakouzo 5 Points 2 days ago

Women change. Today, right now, this very minute, she loves you. She thinks you are the greatest man she will ever have. She expects to be with you forever.

Tomorrow, she meets the new guy at work, or some guy hits on her while she's out with a friend, or whatever. She feels something. That feeling eats at her.

Two or three days after that, she's picking fights with you. Nothing you do seems like it's good enough. Things about you she used to like she is now finding annoying. She's not in the mood for sex.

Two or three days after that, she tells you she's not happy and hasn't been happy for months. A week ago, she wanted to stay with you forever, but in her mind, today, right now, right this minute, she feels like she hasn't been happy for months.

The fact that she thinks you're special right now, right this minute, doesn't get you anything.

[-] SpanishTimbrado 0 Points 2 days ago

Oh and men don't do this? Delusional if you think this is a woman thing.

This is simply a circular debate. I say "women are capable of x, just make sure it's really x" and you say "they're not, because these women said x, but didn't do x". To which my answer would obviously still be "doesn't mean women are not capable of x, you just didn't find one that actually was."

Not sure what you want me to tell you. You either believe it or you don't. You either find it or you don't. You either take the risk or you don't. If you don't, move on.

[-] arakouzo 2 Points 2 days ago

What men do doesn't matter. This is not homosexual forum for discussing how to date men.

This is a practical forum for maximizing your success. Worrying about finding that one special woman who's not like that is not a good strategy. Because all women are like that. Having sex with the 99% of women who are just like that and not getting fooled by the 1% who are pretending not to be like that is a much better strategy.

[-] SpanishTimbrado 0 Points 2 days ago

If you unironically believe AWALT, there's no point to this conversation.

If you manage to find a few braincells and realise that not all billions of women out there are the same, we can start having a conversation if it's worth to search for the minority who are not like that.

Until then, enjoy that amazing, rewarding sex.

[-] arakouzo 2 Points 2 days ago

That one special gal may be out there. But if I have one hour to teach a guy who's only going to live 100 years how to maximize his life and be as successful and happy as possible, it's not going to be a lesson on how to find that one special gal. It's going to be a lesson on how to deal with the other 99% of them and be successful at sex, relationships, and his interactions with those girls. If he happens to meet the other 1%, he'll know how to get laid with her, too.

[-] Decent_Priority -1 Point 2 days ago

You can get married, you just shouldn’t be stupid enough to do it without an attorney involved and a very strong and sound prenuptual agreement.

That way if a divorce is ever necessary your not Anally raped.

The guy clearly is stupid anyway, if he was really going to do this he should’ve wrote up a contract with all her demands and his and had it notarized.

Then it’s at least recorded, evidence, and enforceable in the future.

Never take evil women’s words as legitimate. They’ll say and do anything to get what they want.

[-] tyrryt 4 Points 2 days ago

Prenups don't mean much, and once kids are in the picture they're useless. The woman will always have full power and will always win in a divorce situation once kids are in the mix, no matter what contract you have.

[-] TXJohn83 68 Points 3 days ago

"When someone has used the nuclear bargaining chip of divroce once, expect them to use it again. The cat is out of the bag."

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So true, just so true

[-] Hjalmbere 54 Points 2 days ago

Exactly what my ex would do. First couple of times she really did a mindfuck on me. But then I got wise and prepared for divorce. The next time she shouted ”I want a divorce” I just handed her a pre-signed form and said ”your signature goes here”. Her jaw dropped but my life got a lot better.

[-] babybopp 34 Points 2 days ago

Honestly most woman problems disappear when you start fucking multiple women. It really tames a woman. ^howthefuckdidwesurvivetheBanHammer?

[-] TXJohn83 9 Points 2 days ago

It's a security thing or more a lack of it. People slack off them they are secure in their job, relationship, you name it.

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[-] adam-l 2 Points 2 days ago

This is exactly what I wanted to write. Only way to recover from the divorce threat is to weather it somehow, then threat her with a divorce.

When you realize that women are zero-sum players, it's easy to get it.

[-] IterMercator 9 Points 3 days ago

It's like any animal, you allow them to do something, they are going to keep using it since it works. The problem is how to ensure it doesn't happen (excluding don't get married ofc, bit hard when you already married)

[-] hockeyaddict87 38 Points 3 days ago

The title should be cheating wife introduces her husband to TRP.

[-] Whisper 30 Points 3 days ago

There are three kinds of girls who will suggest non-monogamy:

  1. Girls who want strange dick, and already have one lined up, secure in the knowledge that you will have greater difficulty securing strange pussy (because while many women are down for NSA sex, fewer are willing to enter arrangements that make it clear that's what they are doing).

  2. Girls who are explicitly and overtly submissive to the point where they actually want to share you with other women.

  3. Girls who are bisexual or heteroflexible and want pussy (which you by nature cannot supply).

If any woman suggests anything non-monogamous, the first thing to do is decide which one you are dealing with. Then you need to decide what you want to do about that.

I personally recommend immediately dumping type #1, holding onto type #2, and establishing some ground rules for type #3, such as "neither one of us has sex with any woman we're not both having sex with", or "she doesn't have sex with any woman that you don't have sex with first".

[-] IterMercator 12 Points 3 days ago

Bare in mind before anyone of these lads get their hopes up, (1) is 95% of the cases, so do approach with caution. The idea of you and your girl having a threesome is great until it's MMF and you're getting the snacks (bonus points if you get the reference)

[-] BeachwarmerBob 5 Points 3 days ago

I don't even care if my wife decides she wants to be a type 1, and I've already had this discussion with her. To my knowledge, she's only ever had sex with me, and I don't want her stewing away in a resentment bucket.

I told her never to even think about about coming to me asking for forgiveness because that won't be granted. But if she comes asking for permission, I'm fine to have a mature conversation about it and what I get to do if she wants to step out. So far, she's never brought it up, but I already know what my terms would be if she gets any ideas in her little head.

We've been together over 25 years, and that's a long time. Expecting inhuman levels of perfection is a recipe for disappointment. Might as well try to minimize the betrayal and lying aspect.

[-] zamahx 2 Points 2 days ago

I feel like this gives the girl a greenlight to cheat in a weird way, like “if hes willing to compromise maybe he will take me back even though hes said he wouldn’t hurhurhurhur”

Expecting an illogical creature to behave logical is dumb.

My conclusion is LTR’s the pussy dries up eventually.. even the 1% of the 1% get hung out to dry.. look at brad pitt for fucks sakes

[-] MilkMoney111 2 Points 2 days ago

dr Dre going thru it rn... no prenup

[-] MilkMoney111 2 Points 2 days ago

had a #2 briefly. Said nothing turned her on more than to see me get my dick sucked by another woman. although you'd think it's a good sign... she was still loose. any dude that she could see dominating her, she'd go for. so even with that, I wouldn't hold on to #2 either. or at least not hold her to monogamous expectations

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[-] deadsesh59 1 Point 2 days ago

Type 2 is fun for a while but like all women they can change to a Type 1 if they get bored. I dealt with a cougar that did exactly that but I left before she had the side dick. We had threesomes a few times, letting her have a good portion of the fun with the other girl.

About a year passes and she becomes a drunken pill head who's unpredictable. She sobers up for a bit, starts getting distant, I immediately break things off.

Best part, she used to have my address saved in some food delivery app, and 2 weeks ago accidentally sent me their dinner.

Tldr; Types can switch on a dime, never get complacent.

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[-] Domebeers 30 Points 3 days ago

There's an even worse one today, where some kid 'takes a break' and his virgin girlfriend promptly sleeps with 3 guys in a month, and now wants back with him, and he wants to take her back.

North Korea, send the nukes.

[-] MerryVegetableGarden 4 Points 2 days ago

dm that thread or an archive of it if you’d be so kind.

[-] redpillcad 26 Points 3 days ago

Its bullshit. Cheating women don't ASK permission, they BEG for forgiveness.

A man has a sense of fairness and would give his partner the heads up he is about to stray and she should do same. Some dude wrote this thinking women are like men.

There are zero women with this sense of equity and none who would share their men to alleviate their guilt. Women have no guilt.

Have cake. Eat it too.

[-] CommyO 27 Points 3 days ago

Women are like children. Many of them don't even hold themselves accountable for their actions.

[-] IterMercator 13 Points 3 days ago

Spoiled by society to the point they're entitled kid, pampered by society to the point they're emotionally developed as a spoiled kid

[-] custoscustodis 24 Points 3 days ago

Hubby lost sexual value in her eyes, then regained it when wifey saw that other women would jump on it (literally!).

What a pair. She'll probably straighten up for a few years, but start shit testing him again if he starts to become less attractive to other women down the road.

[-] Encrypted587 23 Points 3 days ago

She can demand all she likes you gave her that option when you got married

[-] RedWolf4711 15 Points 3 days ago

Hate to say it but dont stick your dick in crazy, which can be hard because women can put up a persona for YEARS youll wake up one day and not even know who it is you've been with.

[-] Don_Himself 14 Points 3 days ago

at one point after 10+yrs of red pill, you read this and shake your head. poor sap.

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at this point in 2020, reading this type of shit, you tend to laugh hysterically. roast the male victim for being retarded, and getting destroyed. this type of shit, along with bullying, is what a lot of these soyboys need in order to shock them into the right path.

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or, they become even gayer losers, and off themselves.

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either way, the gene pool and thus civilization win

[-] SH4TPOSTER 9 Points 2 days ago

“Rules for thee but not for me”

[-] diejager 8 Points 3 days ago

It was expected. They married, the competition anxiety dropped and with it, her interest in him. Then she called open marriage (because women love the mister interesting guy). When her husband found another chick to bang, that brought her competition anxiety back thus making her call back closed marriage.

All this happened probably because they started their relationship on her frame, giving her the upper hand on their relationship.

Women are very predictable, as always.

[-] IterMercator 7 Points 3 days ago

Almost as if women are opportunistic and the only thing controlling them is fear of being alone

[-] diejager 3 Points 3 days ago

Yeah and nay. As stated by Rolo, women are ruled by the concept of hypergamy (that's the yes part). But it is not conscious (that's the no part).

[-] bone_shadows 7 Points 2 days ago

Sounds like a generally toxic relationship- The whole "staying for the kids" nonsense is also irrelevant. A lot of kids fucking hate their parents when they fight, I know for me I would have been better off and wished for a divorce sooner than they did- and i was 9 when they got divorced. Did they ever stop to think what the kids actually want? Fuck no, kids are property to them and their selfish desires allow them to continue this toxic relationship.

[-] RedCommah 6 Points 2 days ago

I cannot fathom an open marriage that is anything other than on the man’s side. I think the only lesson here is one not often spoken about: Kids are smart and know mom and dad hate each other, have respect for them and divorce.

[-] trplurker 5 Points 2 days ago

Now for the correct answer.

Agree to an "open" marriage, not to save the kids but to buy time to prepare for the impending divorce, and it's coming. Once a women starts that shit it's just a matter of time until it happens, but attempting to divorce immediately is the mistake all you dumb asses make. It takes months, if not years, to properly prepare and execute an exit strategy that keeps your finances intact, so use the newly bough time wisely.

[-] deadsesh59 1 Point 2 days ago

This should be much higher up. Having been 17 at the time of my Dad's divorce I was able to read the finilization papers and everything leading up to it. My conniving mother knew my Dad would sign almost anything to get the divorce over with quickly so I begged him to let me look at them first. Luckily I found MANY things she tried to unjustly take from him and ended up saving him a LOT of money.

Tldr; Helped my Father in his divorce proceedings saving him roughly 2k a month and his pension.

[-] Hjalmbere 4 Points 2 days ago

Gynocentrism in a nutshell.

[-] Gardener4Life4ever 4 Points 2 days ago

OP wasn't trying to one-up his wife, he was trying to take away her nuke card. Imagine this situation:

North Korea: Give us $100 Billion or we will nuke you (open marriage)
US: Ok here, have it. (Gives open)

Next day
NK: Give us another $100 Billion or we will nuke you (closed marriage)
US: Ok but you have to give us the nuke or we won't. (closed but wants no alimony)
NK: AHHHH you're manipulative! (pissed she can't use trump card every day)

If you play your trump card (divorce) to get what you want (open marriage) you don't get to hold onto your trump card to get what you want (closed marriage now) every time you want it. Props to OP knowing one-sided post-nup is not enforceable and to using it JUST to see how she would react (pissed for losing her trump, nuke, win every argument card)

[-] flacko_red 4 Points 2 days ago

You guys in America and similar countries got fucked over by your Government.

In my country if you really wish to get married, you can get married out of community of property. The ball is in your court really. This way your wife doesn’t have you by the balls, because if she fucks yo you can leave without the fear of losing all that you built and worked for in life.

[-] Hjalmbere 3 Points 2 days ago

I think it depends on the state. But by the looks of it America is fucked. Soy boys and looters running wild in the streets.

[-] Obediah_Stane 3 Points 2 days ago

Modern marriage is already a shit deal for men and the only comfort they have is knowing their wives are loyal. But now they want to open the marriage or are already cheating anyway so what possible benefit does marriage bring men? Absolutely none.

[-] ironmans_brother 3 Points 2 days ago

The way feminists see the world:

It’s the man’s fault. Always. They are 100% sure the man is to blame. Except when it’s obvious the woman is to blame, in which case they are both at fault. On AITA the very best they can muster is ESH because they want to pretend to be objective and reasonable. But they hate admitting that the woman bears any responsibility at all for fucked up situations.

[-] SmamelessMe 2 Points 2 days ago

That URL is dead. Here is mirror:

https://archive.is/lqal2

[-] Lionheart27778 2 Points 2 days ago

She was bored and wanted some thottery to spice things up, with the potential to branch swing. She obviously expected her husband to remain faithful or at most , bang some fat mess.

Then when he fucked a younger more attractive girl, it showed he still had value and confused her retarded hypergamy alarms...the hamster started spinning.

[-] DTron2332 2 Points 2 days ago

Well that’s definitely a tough situation. At the end of the day he cannot go back in time or change his wife’s decisions or desires, but what he should do is work more on himself, in terms of self respect. He should continue sleeping with other women, or simply put get a divorce. Most married men cheat anyway, since eventually most marriages(not all) will go to shit. It’s his rodeo, he can ride however he wants it.

[-] Zeldy 2 Points 2 days ago

If i ever get in this position, i would tell her the moment we agree this ill go to the prostitutes cant be bothered to chase.

[-] tyrantgrey 2 Points 2 days ago

I swear bitches throw in words they don’t understand into an argument like a madman throws in spice into his food.

Dramatic? How was this guy being dramatic? You’re the bitch that throws in divorce every fucking time. What’s worse is, you tracked him to his side woman’s house in order to guilt him out of it.

You just want to fuck and not get fucked on. This woman is retarded. Homeboy should lay down the law or cut this harlot loose.

[-] Over60_FireTempered3 2 Points 2 days ago

Never forget the 1652 Rule, AKA 16-52.

  • You are always dealing with the emotions of the 16 year old in your wife.

  • There are 52 cards, and a Joker, in a deck of cards. You hold all the cards and she holds the Joker. The Joker only trumps if you allow it.
[-] Rakosnik 2 Points 2 days ago

daaamn her ass would hit the door fkn fast in my house

[-] NK305 2 Points 2 days ago

Lmao him fooling around with other women at the same time was the most alpha move. He gave her a taste of her own medicine lmao

[-] MilkMoney111 2 Points 2 days ago

dollars to donuts that side piece amber was prettier and/or younger to make the wife lose her shit

[-] Hailhydra775 2 Points 2 days ago

So happy to see TRP survived the purge.

[-] RealJoeDee 2 Points 2 days ago

Relationships that are closed, but later open almost always fail. IF you want an open relationship, then you have to start out that way. Think of it from the context of frame control.

[-] JadedJarhead 2 Points 3 days ago

The wife was obviously unworthy of the husband.

If she'd been doing her job at home, he might not have taken advantage of her "offer" to "open the marriage."

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[-] IBeMadToo 1 Point 2 days ago

Similar thing happened to my brother-in-law, minus divorce (yet). He had a kid with this post-wall single mum. She ended up cheating and demanding an open-relationship. He accepts, then moves interstate without her for work. He gets a side piece, she sees and hears about her: this petite big titty chick.

She then flies immediately to that city (next day after finding out, apparently) and approaches the side-chick, demands for her to stay away, then a few weeks later moves to the city to be with him. They are still together, and as far as I know not open anymore.

What gets me is this guy is in his 20's, tall, and muscular. He lets this post-wall woman walk all over him, when he can clearly get young pussy.

[-] uwey 1 Point 2 days ago

This guy is a dumb fuck.

Technically he should accept everything at table, find out a state law already if he have yet to do so, hide his own activities as spin plate, hire a private detective and document EVERYTHING from his wife as to show her claim of open marriage was illegal and prove she is cheating on the ground of selfishness.

While get her fucked on legal side, make sure let kid witness their mother’s cheating nature, and teach kid to hate the mother.

While doing all that, he should build great relationships with all her side of family, be a best father in public opinion.

Also all her friends know you as best dude ever.

Goal is to destroy her legacy, legal, family, and her social reputation. Actually push her to corner, better introduce drug, alcohol, perhaps pimp her out as well.

Then when time comes, divorce her before she realized what happens and disappear with kids. And release all cheating evidence make sure that circulating.

Let her go crazy is the best part, if she gets out casting from her people it will probably drive her to suicide.

While he can continue spin plate and get better at it

[-] SKRedPill 1 Point 3 days ago

And that is the emotional mind and emotional frame in a nutshell.

Why hasn't he moved out yet?

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[-] TheMnassri 1 Point 3 days ago

She's a whore and he's a cuckold simp. He should've divorce her.

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[-] Blazer808 0 Points 2 days ago

I think most marriages end up like shit because so many retards marry the first whore that fucks them. You can easily see who's a quality woman and who isn't.

We had a girl in a friend group once, had two "long-term" boyfriends back to back, but if you showed her a bit of attention after she had a beer she'd straight up drag you to the bathroom and fuck your brains out, wouldn't even wait 'till you got to your place. We've done it, strangers have done it, she's still together with the second guy, even living in the same place.

The hardest part for most guys after what I've seen on asktrp is knowing the difference between a whore that's not attracted to them, stringing them along playing hard to get for the attention and one that's actually vetting them for an LTR, but if you're not on the spectrum you should be able to tell at some point at least.

[-] MerryVegetableGarden 3 Points 2 days ago

You can easily see who's a quality woman and who isn't.

You can easily see if some women are not quality because they make it very obvious and aren’t smart enough (or haven’t learned) to conceal it (yet). Determining if a woman is quality takes some time, and you can never be certain. If you want a family and a traditional household, you have to chance it and wife up a woman who checks all the boxes of quality (low-to-no n, strong father, never a partier or alcohol abuser, no tats/piercings, etc.), but it’s a risk nonetheless.

[-] RStonePT 0 Points 2 days ago

Guess he sure showed her right guise?

Team Man 1: Team whamen 0

I get the point, but this post is 100% pure revenge fantasy, cathartic and ultimately useless

[-] tryingtolearnitall 0 Points 2 days ago

Is this place starting to get watered down by bots?

[-] ariky 0 Points 2 days ago

Wtf. I seriously don’t get “open marriage”. Marriage is “closed” by nature.

You can’t and shouldn’t be married a woman sleeping other guys. Whores do such...

[-] TheUnsteadyDonut -1 Point 3 days ago

I just read some of the top comments. Just wow, it's a cluster fuck