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The Fuckonomics series: Discussion of dating and sexual marketplace theory and practice using business and economic models with a goal of increasing proficiency in both dating and business.

Issues I see come up frequently in AskTrp and our comments include "I'm getting too many matches to keep up" and "I'm getting a lot of first dates but no seconds."

It's a problem that newly successful daters and growing entrepreneurs have in common, going from scarcity to substantial volume then becoming buried in a holding pattern of overwork and feeling behind without reward. The solution can be as hard to accept for newly unplugging men as it can be for businessmen tempered by a lean startup period:

If you find yourself buried in work, raise your prices immediately!

With love and money, the market finds its own equilibrium in response to conditions. This gives you a single control point- price- that spares you the effort of sizing up and persuading each and every prospect. In business, more volume than you can handle is the market telling you, you can charge more! Don't be a fool, ramp up your prices until you notice market pushback, then dial down a notch. In your dating funnel and love life, areas you find a logjam of overabundance indicate areas you can ramp up your demands or "price" in the SMP. However, this brings us to another relevant business axiom:

When things are going well, don't make large or radical changes. In business, this means take caution before making large changes to personnel, organization, process, advertising, pricing etc. Smaller steps make it easier to monitor effects and find the perfect equilibrium in metrics like price/volume point, and overshooting becomes hard to walk back as market conditions shift over time. This also applies when making changes in response to dating market pressures; take care that you don't overapply demands or restrictions or do it with conspicuous ruthlessness during times of personal abundance as it can affect your long term reputation and successes in the dating marketplace.

Five applications of the concept of price in the sexual marketplace

When you're getting too many online matches to keep up Once you've gotten your pictures and prose dialed in, you'll start getting a big uptick in initial responses instead of radio silence from the women you contact. If many of these result in good banter that doesn't pan out to meetups, this suggests you're connecting with a large volume of low-matched prospects. "Increase your price" by going bolder toward expressing your expectations and preferences. I strongly recommend sticking to positive qualifiers in dating profiles; I.E.: "I like fit women" as opposed to "I won't date fat women" because the former won't work against you. Increase your word count and clarify your USP to prequalify your prospect stream better. Dial up your specificity until you find yourself working with a small volume of very highly matched prospects. When I first started online dating I'd converse with 20-50 women for every meetup; ultimately I market calibrated this down to 3-5.

When you're getting a lot of number closes in person that don't pan out later The market is suggesting you're attractive and valuable enough, but youre underselling and haven't made an emotional connection in your pitch. "Raise your price" by ramping up your efforts toward making an emotional connection, whether through more kino or bolder suggestions and moves in your escalation. Try putting more zing or emotional English in your first impression, till you see more follow through, but without dramatically decreasing numbers offered.

When you're getting an abundance of first dates and meetups that don't pan out If these end early or abruptly you're blatantly overselling yourself online or there's a serious first impression issue. However, if they seem to go along fine enough as dates/meetups go but end ambivalently without followup, you either need to prequalify better earlier in the dating funnel as above, or the market is indicating headroom to dial up your push-pull and escalation. Increase it enough to see better connections and follow through afterward but not so much that you reach noticible pushback and sour-note endings with prospects. I started at about 25% first meet from online going further; now my upstream dating funnel and dialed-in touch and escalation results in 80% of women I meet in person going on to sleep with me.

Relevance to Dread Game "Raise your price in the face of market demand" is also the basis for successfully applied Dread Game. The higher a man's value, the more likely other women will make conspicupus IOIs and flirting moves. Calibrating the correct level of Dread is like The Price Is Right: the goal is to apply up to the correct amount without going over. Ideally this occurs organically without conspicuous or consious effort on the man's part, and the increased perceived value inspires her to "offer a higher price" by increasing mate retention behavior.

Leveraging lower SMV I laugh to see AskTRP posts like "I slept with a low SMV woman how do I salvage my reputation" or "Girl really into me that I'm not that attracted to" For a crowd so intrigrued by Machiavelli and Dark Triad traits (not my personal interests BTW), they're missing the most obvious name-your-price opportunities in the whole damn sexual marketplace while recoiling like kids afraid that touching a nasty girl will give them cooties. Leverage the natural advantage of SMV-differential arbitrage and use these opportunities to flex your growing power and develop the habits and frame that will give you the experience to act as a natural as you hit your stride and find successes with ever higher-SMV prospects. Make female orbiters of women you don't want to sleep with; use these situations to experiment and leverage phenomena like the intermittent reinforcement schedule while collecting benefits like favors, rides, home cooked meals. Push and see just how far this "price" thing can go! Eventually, you'll find their upper limit of demands, or better prospects coming into your play will end up pricing you out of their personal market.

In the sexual marketplace, Approach and Escalation are the man's prerogative. As you build value in yourself as a man, abundance will follow in your personal marketplace. When you find an area of abundance or surplus in your love life, it's a market indication that you can "raise your price" or command more than you currently are in this area. Blue Pill conditioning and our natural protective instinct can make men more timid and cautious than necessary in the sexual realm. Watch market feedback carefully, adjust upward with control and don't overshoot, but fulfill your prerogative and raise your prices in life's transactions as high as the market will bear.

You can also read this essay in my blog on TRP.RED Watch for the new expansion of our official off-Reddit TRP site launching soon.

[-] Rkingpin 35 Points about a year ago

by ramping up your efforts toward making an emotional connection,

Understated fact of nature.

The way we speak to other men is not the same way we should speak to women we want to smash.

Men communicate through logical exchanges of information/banter to test each other's frame.

We gotta spike emotions in women and give them some mystery. I.E fuck her mind then you fuck her pussy

[-] redpill77 20 Points about a year ago

fuck her mind then you fuck her pussy

One of those helpful mantras that doesn't get repeated enough.

[-] MentORPHEUS 6 Points about a year ago

Scarcity Mentality can make a man too timid and afraid to "lose" a prospect, so he winds up making a bland unimpactful impression on the women he meets. When a man comes along and creates a strong emotional impression, it can even be the very result of clashing with her expectations rather than obligingly meeting them.

This is a mechanism by which stridently feminist-in-public women often turn submissive and eager in the sheets as the plate of a secure and dominant Red Pill man.

[-] clavabot 14 Points about a year ago

Step one, get matches

Will report back after achieving this

[-] MentORPHEUS 14 Points about a year ago

LOL, you'll make it, young Chadawan.

I started from slow beginnings, raised by a well meaning 1950s Mom to be a good boy to women, which worked directly against me coming of age during the first wave of children of no fault divorce in the early 80s. Without TRP it took till my late 20s to reject this programming module by module as I realized its ineffectiveness.

[-] empatheticapathetic 1 Point about a year ago

I don’t want to bring up looks as it’s been discussed enough but how does someone get OLD matches with sub par looks. I just downloaded tinder after 3 years of not using it and I’m getting zero. I’ve just accepted OLD is not going to be a good use of time for me opposed to other avenues.

[-] MentORPHEUS 3 Points about a year ago

Tinder is very looks and impulse driven. If its not working for you, add another platform to your OLD campaign. I've used Plenty of Fish almost exclusively. You can curate more and better pictures, and the text has significant weight as well compared to Tinder.

Try A/B testing and save every version of your ad to help cobble together new iterations in the future. If a given profile performs poorly, rewrite and try again. Don't let a nonperforming profile stagnate longer than a week or 2.

Spend a bit of time looking at your online competition and do what you need to make your ad stand out from the low-standards herd.

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[-] RPSilverfox 7 Points about a year ago

Makes sense. And if you are experiencing a higher supply of women being bold will show you red pill principles play out in real life. Examples: Meet a girl in a bar? Don’t buy her a drink, tell her you want to take her home. Get a match on Tinder? Fuck getting coffee to meet, invite her to your place and lead her to your room. Meet a girl while day gaming? Do the same. And step it up by approaching even hotter women.

I see so many of my friends meeting women online or by day gaming but seem to think they have to work up to sex by having dinner or meeting for coffee. Sure, do those things too if you want to but as OP suggests when supply goes up raise your price by a) going for hotter girls and b) attempting to F-close much faster.

[-] surfthroughlife 4 Points about a year ago

God damn, I fucking love this place.

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[-] kiwifx 3 Points about a year ago

No idea if this translates to actual results, but the premise is epic.

It's also one of those posts that a Femnazi is likely to pick up and take back to the heard, make viral and scream to the heavens about.

[-] MentORPHEUS 4 Points about a year ago

That painful cognitive dissonance when you realize something you emotionally wish wasn't true actually represents the facts.

[-] AwakenedSovereign 2 Points about a year ago


You basically just held a mirror to my face and called me a pussy who doesn't approach/escalate enough.

I get eyebangs everywhere I go it seems, number closes fairly easy. But few dates, no GF and sporadic lays. I've been holding back.

I shouldn't.

[-] 50shadesofsigma 2 Points about a year ago

What an enlightening read. The most interesting part of it is when you say that we should take advantage of females who decide to orbit us and use them for confidence kind of like how your typical chick treats an average beta who just refuses to see the truth. I wonder if there are any other tropes like this that we can flip back at women.

[-] MentORPHEUS 2 Points about a year ago

tropes like this that we can flip back at women.

Ultimately as a man of action you want to develop your own goals and motivations from within your own frame. "Flipping the script" is reactionary and risks keeping you trapped within the frame of other people and systems.

In the case of learning to command your worth in the SMP, when coming from a motivation of "Well I'm flipping the script on women!", your verbal requests won't be congruent with your underdeveloped command presence and body language and your efforts are liable to backfire when subjects sense "false Alpha."

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[-] MentORPHEUS 1 Point about a year ago

MentORPHEUS, you use "our" at the end of your post

In recent years I’ve been training myself in spergerless technologies.

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[-] Andy1Dandy 1 Point about a year ago

Can you include examples of intermittent reinforcement and creating/conveying/leveraging dread?

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[-] EdmondDaunts 0 Points about a year ago

In recent years I’ve been training myself in serverless technologies. Serverless is almost a return to old school simplistic tasking but leverages hardware advances such that “monolithic” functions are broken into scalable independent smaller functions. These are often called microservices.

Once you build a simple web app or just have an active portion on a web page you start to realise that even grand sites like YouTube and Facebook run on a simple process:

Request-> Authentication -> Authorization -> Action

At any stage of this chain there is a Response. Clearly the intended response is what follows the action.

To be clear this chain has been around since before the Internet though today it is modifiable and scalabe in its parts like never before.

Seeing what the OP has written about you could consider the recommendations as tweaking and optimizing the parts of the chain.

It also reinforces NOT trying to do everything at once.

[-] AwakenedSovereign 1 Point about a year ago

As a techie I understood this analogy +1