You listen to j cole? Its in the chorus of "no role models" from forrest hills drive

So this girl keeps telling you stories about all these shitty guys she keeps dating.

This is the point at which I no longer care to care about what's going on in her life.

If she provides zero value to me, socially or otherwise, I would slowly distance myself from her. Now, if she's got hot friends then I might consider listening to her sob stories while continuing to escelate with them. (A small price to pay, IMO.)

I like that this post reinforces some of the red-flag awareness we all need and sometimes forget.

An ex of mine told me that men complain and hope to receive advice to help them. Women complain just to complain. They don't actually want your help...

There's a song by a rapper named J.Cole. I forgot the name of it, but the lyrics for the hook are, "Don't save her! She don't wanna be saved. Don't save her! She don't wanna be saved."

Wish someone would have put it to me like this. The girl I thought I loved has a kid and does drugs and happens to be crazy. So glad I cut off all contact but I'm embarrassed and ashamed that I let it go on for as long as it did, especially without fucking her

Captain Save A Hoe is a great Halloween costume if you're in a pinch and don't wanna spend tons of money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGobXsmPx78

Title reminded of J. Cole "role modelz". Chorus: Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved, don't save her, she don't wanna be saved

This needs to be written on a great stone and put in every city and town. IF ONLY.. I learned this before I made my mistakes.

So this girl keeps telling you stories about all these shitty guys she keeps dating. Guys who manipulate her emotionally. Guys who fuck her and then don't call her back. Sometimes even guys who hit her.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhA7KfbJgg "Well stop it!"

She wants to fix you she can feel special, important, needed.

you trying to save her from her problems makes her feel damaged and flawed which she is and which she wants you to acknowledge but never try and fix

lol! I have the misfortune to be a landlord, and have rented to a few extra "special" females. Granted, these girls were raised up as white/mexican trash, but still.

Without fail, it works like some kind of script. Single female 2-3 kids, credit looks ok, criminal some weed possession/drunk disorderly(minor shit)5-6 years in the past, good job income wise, etc. They're in maybe 2-3 months, and shit spirals out of control. The parade of boyfriends starts moving in. Literally, 3-6 guys inside of an hour. Maintenance guys complain the apartment smells like a whorehouse...

WTFE, they pay their rent, let em fuck the whole county. Next up, they lose their job. County aid vouchers, next thing 2-3 roomates are receiving various notices (7 day to cure, 3 day pay up or get out, and the occasional cops called, assault documented 3 days to GTFO(clear and present danger) and the one on the lease ain't signing the summons. "Oh, she's in jail for a few weeks". (process server can give you the FED in jail, I don't care)

3 evictions each month, roughly the same story for 5 months. Most of em were the old landlords "problem children", some of em were because I was gambling, because the apartment still reeked of the last whore living there. :D

So, yeah, recently have been "nexting" applicants like that and unloading them on other apartment complexes. "Hey, they got a special 5 blocks down the road! No pet deposits for children under 5!" I can't technically not run their app if they come in and pay the fee, but I usually drop hints. "Yeah, the last girl who came in, 3 kids, mid 20s, good job, 5 FELONIES in the last 3 years, $15,000 in credit debt, 4 evictions, 2 restraining orders. WTF were they thinking? Maybe she can get into a former meth lab apartment, but otherwise.... She might be better seeing if the can get her old cell back in this town!"

Yeah, usually drop that kind of line on the ones who just radiate stupid. They talk about how they don't need to pay no pet fee because they got a "companion animal" that just happens to be a boxer/pit mix. lol! Ok, your credit is 460, guess you and your "companion animal" and 3 deadbeat boyfriends are gonna have to stay in the trailer park.

Granted, I can refuse em even if they have a weed possession charge that's 10 years old, or a light bill(or other bill) collection that's 8 years old. Yeah babe, if you're so f'ing stupid that you're explaining to me how you don't have to follow the rules before you even have seen the apartment, you're gonna lose. So many many dumb girls.

Yeah, I'll take my chances on the bagger boy working his way through college who barely makes enough, and has a 560 credit score rather than another slut with 2-3 puppies before they're even 24! muahaha!

Where's my Snidely Whiplash hat?

Totally agree and can confirm from my young blue pill mistakes. Nobody admires a Captain Save-A-Ho, especially the ho! I eventually grew out of it, and I can even tell you where their lives went 20-25 years later.

• The cute blond I beta-orbited for a few years after high school, until I finally realized how stupidly one-sided it became and completely broke off what could have been a lifelong friendship if she hadn't gotten so greedy. Fat, hermit lifestyle, still with Chad Hipstercock who is even fatter and has serious health issues.

• The cute broken flower who cried on my shoulder over her "asshole boyfriend who tells me he wants to fuck other women." Everyone thought I was heir-apparent to her love, but after a period of enjoying the fruits of my budding oneitis, jumped to a REALLY abusive, probable DT type. Chanced into her in the retirement village where it turned out both our Moms moved. Approaching 40, she didn't look a day under 65 from years of heavy drinking, pills, and abuse; I thought she was one of the residents till she recognized me!

• The short dumpy hippie chick from our activist group; surely she'd be glad to have a summer romance with a better-looking "nice guy," right? No, but with TRP hindsight she'd gladly take two as beta orbiters while having ONSs with shitbirds of mathematically implausibly lower SMV than her. Then after pitting my friend against me, chooses him as a boyfriend, proceeds to be disinterested and boring in bed, breaks up with him for a drunk loser after 3 months, then leaves on a grand road trip to find herself. Friend discovers she gave him herpes, after exposing his next girlfriend to it too and infecting her; marriage and decadal misery ensue. Hippie girl calls years later out of the blue, still on her grand road trip, currently living in [city, state], and acts surprised when I say no I don't want her number and move to wrap up the conversation.

• The sweet-and-sour girl whose dad was an alcoholic and whose mother died when she was a teen, who rather flopped into my life because she was being evicted from her shared apartment by "all her asshole ex-friends." So nice a partner at first I thought I might marry her one day; so broken she'd be unaccountably bitchy or jealous for an entire day or longer over nothing; finally kicked her to the curb. Years later her wedding invitation picture made the rounds; her and fiancee sitting on a huge rock in a beautiful forest setting; several feet apart, looking away in different directions and both frowning.

• The woman living in a string of motels needing a fresh start after a "bad breakup." Grateful and happy for the first several months and sex was phenomenal, then she (re)started using meth, went full axis II psycho, took a restraining order and two trips to jail to keep her away in the end. Years later was on the County Sheriff website and entered her name into the inmate finder, she'd been arrested twice that year. She also lost all parental rights to her children.

Young men starting out on a Red Pill path, do NOT re-make these mistakes! There is no valor or validation to attempting it, so trust people when they tell you: She does NOT want to be saved!

Find a woman who is already pretty much going your way, under her own power, if you want a relationship and not a freaking soap opera. Edit: Format

Good notes. Can totally relate, thinking back to my WK days as a young man. But there's a follow-on thought. These days, when a woman tells me she's had lots of shitty men in her life, and laments, "why me?", I now come back with a question: why are you attracting these kinds of men? What signals are you putting out that attracts bad men and keeps good ones away?

Wow, the first time i used this "line", the woman was speechless and wide-eyed. It NEVER occurred to her that SHE could be the problem. She had no answer, none at all, not even after thinking about it. No one had ever asked her that before. She was truly stunned.

Agreed +5. Don't do it. NEXT these women quickly and let them go. No reason to try to change or save anyone.

Still....also have a little empathy. Don't date craziness but also I think it's good for everyone to empathize with them. I think many guys swing too far one way or another. It's either FUCK HER or I WANT TO FUCK HER.

Let's find a healthier way to deal with these women. Give them empathy and don't get involved.

What happens when you realize she was full of shit about all her stories of being abused and is actually bat-shit crazy and starts accusing you?

Worst mistake I ever made. These women who are borderline fuck ups are genuinely the worst kinds of people imaginable. They'll manipulate you, abuse you, make you feel terrible, and then make you feel like it's your fault. Of course you can't ever leave them (/s), they've made it abundantly clear if you do they'll kill themselves.

That sure is over-complicating it. The only thing that needs to be said about getting involved with women like that is that "They are not yet emotionally mature enough to be in a relationship that can succeed."

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Are you reading this, guys? Really fucking reading it? Yah? Then read it again. Commit it to memory. This is not a fucking game.

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They don't really want to be "saved." They love getting fucked by bad boys and other alphas. They know it's bad for them. They just can't help themselves. It doesn't matter what they say. At the end of the day they will need their fix again.

You don't associate with heroin addicts, homeless and other such self-destructive people. You stay the fuck away. Don't make an exception for women. Fuck her if you can. If you can't stay the fuck away. It isn't your problem.

They are not yet emotionally mature enough to be in a relationship that can succeed.

Right, it is like pedophilia but worse.

For what it's worth, this applies to women on dating fuckheads as well. Some people may be socially talented, handsome etc etc, but somehow they are mentally retarded when it comes to decision making skills, and just generally not making bad decisions.

50SoG is a perfect example actually. Women love it, and it's basically the fairytale story of how if a woman sticks through an abusive relationship the guy will eventually change, and stop wanting to hurt her. Fairytales used to have a hell of a fucking lot better morals.

oh god. I wish i had read this 4 years ago.

Save her? I'll save myself from her instead ;)

Women will use the power of the pussy to manipulate any situation which they will receive benefit. A low value male that falls for these manipulation techniques becomes a pawn she may use to attain anything she wants. The ploy of "damsel in distress" attracts all the white knights with everything to give, hoping to be graced with sexual/emotional favors.

Save her like scar saved mufasa

Whatever she says about her ex, she'll say it about you when you are her ex.

I knew a guy. I'll call him Matt. I met Matt at work. He was a very nice guy, with a somewhat creepy/desperate vibe. If you are really soft you wouldn't like him because he is very direct.

Now I needed a place to stay so a guy named Matt let me pay in his townhome with an extra room. It was fully fitted and was really nice. He gave me a good deal and with that came conversations about his ordeals. He explained the drugs to make sure I wasn't "tricked" into living there. His major ordeal for the past 2 or 3 years was taking care of some girl completely unrelated to him. To be more exact, it was his ex-girlfriends "little" sister (low 20s).

No why was he taking care of an adult? Well for some reason he wanted to play Captain save-a-ho. This girl was pretty much abandoned by her family. She was addicted to drugs, she injected, took pills, and I don't know what else. She was broke and would definitely fuck for drugs.

That's why Matt decided to save her. He himself was a now sober alcoholic who used to down 2 or 3 bottles a day. Maybe he saw a little of himself in her so he wanted to help. However she was a woman. She was not interested in him. She was, however, interested in the free ride.

Matt planned on personally weening her off drugs. He would actually purchase drugs for her and get her used to smaller and smaller doses. She would go in and out of rehab and he would pay. He would let her stay in his house and even have her sleep in his room. He claimed that they never had sex or anything and I believe him. When I did move in she confided in me that he always said he wasn't into her, but he was totally into her. She knew what she was doing. She was getting PRIME BB treatment for the trash she was.

He was in a decent paying profession for 10 years and of a wealthy family with connections. That said he was completely broke. He emptied his retirement funds and other investments on this girl to save her.

With all of those provisions for free what incentive does she have to change? None. Every time he threatened to take action and kick her out she would manipulate him by convincing him that she would finally change. That never happened. I was at the house for about a month, but in that time she stole his car and went to fuck some random dudes and do drugs. He's past rock bottom now. says she's at rehab. He says, again, "She's doing very well".

What happens when you realize she was full of shit about all her stories of being abused and is actually bat-shit crazy and starts accusing you?

Yep.

Don't put yourself in these types of situations. Women who are like this do not want to be saved. They want to continue behaving like children and riding the carousel.

Feel bad for her kids, but don't let her drag you into her nightmare of drama and insanity.

After I ingested the RP so to speak years ago, it was like I was drunk with this new power to actually go out and fuck a substantial number of women. That being said, I made a few mistakes when I was just starting out that tend to always (in my experience) lead to unpleasantness.

So let me sum up my experience for you. If you really got it down, and are out there working for yourself, and you don't have any kids, there's NO reason for you to be fucking with women that do. No reason what so ever.

And guess what, even if you do have kids, there's STILL no reason to be fucking around with women who do.

It always sucks. Always. You are going to have some kid that's not yours to constantly either play daddy with or be the distant asshole. Also, that kids daddy will be creeping around somewhere in the wings, I guarantee it. And finally, there's always a reason she's in this situation. Always. Take a good minute and think about that.

No, just skip the bullshit and go to the good stuff right away. Only date women who are single, child-free and are actually successful in their own lives. You may have to change your scene a bit to find them, but it's so worth it in the end. They just get it. With these type of women, it never seems to be a big deal when you want to drop a plate. And, which woman do you think is going to be less likely to have an unwanted pregnancy? The 24 year old girl with no kids, or the 24 year old cigarette mom who has 3 already?

Nice use of J. Cole lyrics, I approve.

My first girlfriend was a perfect example of this. I met her when I was in 12th grade- she was your typical alternative girl, who dyed her hair, listened to weird music styles (industrial, goth, etc), and always had a million and one problems. Be it failing school, getting kickewd out of her house, getting addicted to pills, there was always some shit going on.

Anyway, I had been living my life full beta up until this point. SO one day, I ended up hanging out after school and talking to her. One thing led to another, and I got her number and started making out with her. Never having really done anything with a girl before, I fell for her fast. Before I knew it, I was her latest boyfriend in a string of boyfriends.

She basically made my life a living hell for 7 months. Between constantly getting kicked out of her moms house, popping pills, and hanging out with tons of questionable guys, I had my hands filled. Before her, my life was going to school, studying, goin gout to family dinners, and hanging out with friends occasionally. With her I was always driving her around to different shady apartments, drug deals, to hang out. I also started skipping classes, and days of school when she did. The whole time she would always complain about how things never went her way, and a couple months in it finally dawned on me that everything going on in her life was her fault.

She was getting kicked out of her house because she came home at 4 in the morning, in a state other than sobriety. She was addicted to pills because she didn't have the self restraint to use them sparingly. She was failing school because she chose to never go to class.

I found out 7 months into this that she had cheated on me with multiple guys. At this point, I wasn't surprised at all. I broke up with her, and never looked back. The only good thing that came out of this was me essentially learning the red pill years before I discovered this thread. This relationship made me realize what kind of guys girls really went for, and the extent that they would use any poor man who they could get in their grasp. I will never fall for "the girl who needs to be saved" ever again.

Read this at the right time. My ex, has of a few days ago, is one of these girls. I was the "good guy". The guy who wasn't going to hurt her. Ultimately what happened is that she felt safe to continue her hurtful life style because I wasn't going to stand up to her and tell her what she was doing was wrong. I couldn't handle it anymore and so I had to let her go.

She keeps texting me all this bs about how she's so hurt and wants me back, and I almost fell into the impulse of texting her back and saying we could talk.

Nope. She's got to learn to become a better person on her own.

LoL. I've met plenty of women like this. Their attitudes are always like "I'm a victim in all this. BUY ME SHIT YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING SHITLORD!" I told the last chick that gave me this sob story to fuck off as she was telling it to me. It's a blatant manipulation tactic that seldom works, especially if it's true that so many men left her before. Funniest part is that last girl claimed that she changed herself from being a bad girl to a nice girl, all while telling me to buy her something. Watch out when they approach you first fellas, that's one of the big red flags right there.

I've been waiting for this post. Every time I see/hear a girl on this site, or even out in the real world talk about her "crazy ex's" who used to mentally and physically abuse her, literally the only thing I can think of is 'well what the hell kind of person are you to continue to get caught up in these "abusive" relationships?' The claim stays true: these girls (not all girls) like to be treated this way, maybe not consciously, but definitely subconsciously. It's not just a coincidence they can't find a boyfriend who doesn't hit them (with fists or words); it's her choice of man and what she looks for in a partner. My personal theory is that being a victim of domestic violence makes them feel helpless (in a good way), and that they are fulfilling their lifelong dream of becoming the stereotypical woman who always needs a man (taught to them subconsciously through Disney movies and Barbie dolls). They are in need of a man so much that not even abuse would tear them apart. It sounds like a horror story to most of us guys, but many women will even admit that one of their [sexual] fantasies is for a man to "have their way with them".

"Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved" - J.Cole - Role Modelz.

Is there ever a situation where a woman can be "saved"?

This can also apply to girls who have had emotional abuse from parents. That's an even bigger "nope."

This. Thank you. How do you know she is bat-shit crazy? For instance, she tells you that she's been beaten by her boyfriend, but still keeps seeing him. Obviously you wonder if she is lying or just plain retarded. Either way, she is not in your 'pack', why should you care?

Same goes for a child which is not yours, or not related to you in any way. Why would you waste resources, most of it being time (which you will never get back) on someone not belonging to you?

Last year I met up a few times with this 31 year old, foreigner, who as turned out had a kid. Her life was basically a mess, and even though she had a kid, she spent £700+ to see me. Then she blurted out that I should move to her country. The icing on the cake was her attempt at constant emotional manipulation. Have never felt so disgusted in my life.

Drunk woman intrudes your chill night out with the lads? Tell her flat out you do not care and she should leave fast. There is no point in sacrificing emotional well-being/time for someone you do not know.

Obvious half-rant. This one really annoys me.

If a man needs a lesson on why he shouldn't feel the need to protect or save a woman in this day and age, he's not ready for TRP. That is the bottom line. We shame white knights for a reason, and white knights as we all recognize are the ones to jump in to try and "save the day" all the time.

Older generations of women were more keen on getting providers because it meant a better life for them. With women able to provide for themselves, if you're still trying to fill the role of a provider, you're gonna get dropped fast.

Think of her as a company. A company that has a position for a provider, but it's filled, to the brink. If you're applying to this company to fill that position, you're not going to get the job. Some day you might get the job, when the better employees start leaving the company and they have to start promoting people out of the provider position. You will get the job, but not until after the company's outlook is grim.

The urge to play Captain Save-A-Ho is strong in the White Knight. He has nothing of sexual value to offer a higher SMV woman. He sees his ability to provision and protect a downtrodden woman as a means with which he can secure her affection. After all, it sounds like a mutually beneficial trade -- she gets taken care of financially and physically, he gets taken care of emotionally.

It's one of those cases where intuition is completely wrong. If she is not attracted to you, it doesn't matter how great your utility is to her. You will only ever be a BB. This is the nature of the Invisible Men that Rollo wrote about just the other day.

One thing I did eventually realise in my old BP days was - if you want to date women, do the things they complain about. She's telling you the kind of man she likes. It ain't gonna change.

Women have great protection in our society and abundant choice. Attractive women could date a nice guy at the snap of their pretty fingers. If they choose not to - there is a reason. And again, it ain't gonna change.

You can't save others, you can only save yourself.

I'll help people on their journey, but I never forget whose journey it is and I will not waste my time if that effort looks like it will go to waste.

Pro tip from a female: A quick way of spotting the type of girl mentioned here? Look for the girl who says "I don't have a lot of female friends" or "Girls never really like me." RUN.

Any self assured, smart, educated woman who has her shit together knows how to be friends with other confident women. Women who need to cling to a guy drive those smart women away and play the "I don't know why they don't like me!" card.

Implying a relationship with you saves her.

After reading the 4th paragraph one can assume that women are terrible decision makers hence, they lacked any and all decision making power prior to the 20th century.

I agree with you completely, but feel the need to clarify the child support issue. It is not that easy to be hit with child support obligations (most outrageous cases of c.s. are where the alleged father didn't respond the the allegations, despite notice of them, the court entered a default judgement against the man and, again, provided him notice and the man still did not appeal the judgment until after all time limits allowing him to challenge said judgement has expired). Taking on a "fatherly role" does not mean being an adult male influence on a child. It means one has clearly and consistently demonstrated the intent to occupy the father's role in the child's life in all the ways that role is understood. You must clearly intend yourself to be the father despite the absence of biological paternity.

You do know that this post title is a rap song by 3 Six Mafia right?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGobXsmPx78

I'm not tryin' to save you hoes'n

How come when I was broke you wasn't brown nosin'?

Keep in mind, this is a woman who is actually bragging to you about what an easily manipulated pump and dump target she is. Of course she is going to attract more men looking to pump and dump her, like bees to honey. Would you be telling a girl of interest how you got hustled in pool like a chump, and how you got beat up by your own best friend? She thinks bad things just happen to her, so how can she take steps to change herself to reduce the chances of them happening again? No self improvement without personal responsibility.

I agree with OP. I learnt the hard way.

When I had a similar situation occur about wanting to save a girl, after I was done I said to myself.. "I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN DR. DRE AND SNOOP DOGGS ADVICE ABOUT THESE HOES!!!!!"

I was with you until you said you wouldn't try to help a friend.

relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGobXsmPx78

"Your natural response is probably going to feel like you need to protect her from this injustice"

Lol nah

I don't get it. Even at the peak of my betaness my brain screamed abort in these cases.