In the 3rd installment of my Fasting for SMV series, Ill share my protocol.
My intention was for yall to rethink the misinformation that a couple days of no food would make your muscles will shrivel up and kill you. I expected you to play in the very safe shallow end of the fasting pool (less than 3 days) and figure out what works with your own goals and lifestyle.
Alas, folks need to see my photos and have me tell them what to do if their hands get cold or what to eat for breakfast after skipping 1 dinner and can they possibly lift without a protein recovery shake?????
Ummmm.....suck it up pussy?
Anyway, this (and many if not most Sundays) Ill have 1 meal between 12 and 5pm. Thats it. Monday I drink coffee and water with a splash of lemon and a pinch of salt. Tuesday I resume life as if the fast never happened.
If you want to lose more weight, fast longer and more frequently. If you want to maintain this gives you leeway for cheat meals and binge drinking with buxom blondes who want your D.
See 44 Hour Fast or watch Snake Fast videos for more details (not needed) and/or motivation.
Before you ask..Yes you can lift on the fast day, I do 2 a days if you count cardio sometimes and its fine.
LiveAFTSOV 6y ago
Snake Fast's before and afters aren't that motivating - he still looks kinda fat/normie.
You said it would raise SMV, and you'd get to 10% body fat, but most of the snake diet before/after people still look low physical SMV, or high BF.
I've experimented with fasting since you posted this, have completed one 18 hour fast, one 24 hour fast, and i'm going to try a 48 hour fast next weekend.
The fasting results on snake diet's Instagram aren't that impressive - we'll see how it works for me.
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Not sure what you are looking at as the guy is lean and strong but yes you are well advised to try and see what works for you.
Personally, Snake Diet is something I found after I was fasting a couple years and I took the salted water as my only real tip. The rest is shit I found for myself but I don't have videos with explanations and FAQ so I made the reco to watch him as he is on point that fatties can skip a meal or even a few days of eating and benefit.
Pretty sure if you fast 48 hours and treat the rest of week as normal you will drop lots of fat. I did exactly that for 3 months or so and dropped 20 to 25
Redpillandrew 6y ago
Thank you SMLM. I was getting caught in that eating frenzy where I have to eat continuously fearing the loss of gains. I fasted 24h yesterday and today I see I look great and haven't loss an ounce of muscles. We need this fasting hormonal setup. Insulin sensitivity, increase of GH... And fasting made me even spare time, having 2 meals less to cook. I'll never go back.
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Thanks for the note. Eating 6x per day is absolutley terrible for fat loss
P4_Brotagonist 6y ago
Do you have any real tips for people who need to take medications(very real need for health issues)? Taking my medication on an empty stomach absolutely takes me on a one way trip to stomachache city. It makes me feel like my guts are actually tearing themselves apart for 2-3 hours after. It wouldn't be the biggest deal but I have to take my meds twice a day. Any way you know of to fast while stopping that?
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I'm not a doctor. Call one
GrafvonSaintGermain 6y ago
Hai, I have problems falling asleep or sleeping through the night, when I had no dinner. Fasting all day and still lifting is no prob for me but fcking sleep does not work with empty stomach... Does somebody else have the same problem or a solution to it?
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I'm with you. half a xanax, hot bath after hard workout and nitey night
Rian_Stone 6y ago
zopiclone, or melatonin for something lighter.
Also, if it's just the stomach, a glass of milk, or way more water than you should have before bed has helped me in the past.
GrafvonSaintGermain 6y ago
Thanks I try to go with the milk, even tho' it kind of stops the fasting, since water didn't help and only made my stomach wider.
Don't wanna do drugs and it would not be easy acessable here in Dschermany
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Melatonin isn't in the pharmacy?
Also, I would be fairly surprised if zopaclone would be hard to get. It's as close to 'over the counter' as it gets in Canada. The military handed them out like candy, and civie side? My ol lady picks em up with a 5 minute walk in appointment
AshWebster 6y ago
This is weird... Maybe this is why I stay so skinny even though when i eat its usually junk... when i started gymming and watching what i ate everyday i went up 2 stone in a month!
I sometimes went whole days without eating, and some days ate 3 takeways.. large portions as well full sides the works... with afters!
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Id love if people try their own methods and tinker
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no_its_a_subaru 6y ago
Have you had to manage your stomach acid during your fasts? I’ve tried fasting before and sometimes it goes great. Sometimes there isn’t enough tums in the world to suppress my stomach acid and have to stop my fast due to the constant heartburn.
yumyumms1 5y ago
That burn is Ghrelin, the hunger hormone, not acid
arthurabyssal 6y ago
I fasted for Four whole days. No butter/cream/bars/lemon. Literally no calories not even diet sodas. Just mineral water. Was already ~9.8 body-fat. Didn't lose muscle. Was still deadlifting 100kg for reps and reps on day 3 (I weigh around 66kg). Heck one time I did college sports day on the second day of a fast and came second (after a club rugby player). Didn't lose strength. I must say that on day 3 moving around is slightly hard but you can call on tremendous energy if you want to but it's more explosive and I feel your body is trying to conserve energy for a last hunt or something. Food cravings are intermittent. Definitely look super shredded due to less water retention. I was never overwright but for any guys worried about having excess skin after losing weight water-fasting mitigates flappy skin during weightloss. Probably due to (1) The huge Growth Hormone increases which up-regulate collagen production and skin health and (2) The autophagy which may kill unwanted (emptied) fat cells for energy. https://youtu.be/2op1t1xNuVg this guy did a video on it.
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PM-ME-YOUR-SEXTAPE 6y ago
Dry fasting is where it’s at bro. But hey don’t try convincing the sheep. There’s a reason the 1% is the 1%, the masses are blinded by their own ego. U can put the truth out there and they’ll ignore it
Soalian 5y ago
I'm late but I'm tempted to attempt a 24h dry fast, how long did you dry-fast for before? Any benefits over water fasting?
PM-ME-YOUR-SEXTAPE 5y ago
Yeap, 3 days. You’re very weak after day 1 obv, but no hunger pangs only thirst. I entered ketosis after about 36 hours, and the fat burn and detox is way more intense. There’s a Russian scientist from the ussr who campe up with a 5/9 routine that u can find online. If you’re already water fasting this is an easy progression. Don’t buy into the online FUD about it being dangerous, but do listen to your body. You will know it in your throat when you need to drink
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unptitdej 6y ago
For me, I become so focused that I actually become dehydrated because I won't move to get water. Fasting is great to get work done...
chrisname 6y ago
I got so much focus and confidence that I went out running daygame until I died of starvation. I fucked so many girls that I spurted basically my entire self. Now I weigh 10 kg of pure muscle and I have four thousand children. Get on my level.
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I've done some fasting. Mostly 20hr fast/4Hr feed day. It works for me and it is easy to do. It's not for everyone, I guess, but if you haven't tried it, you can't know.
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Yup, this is what I do too.
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apparently lotsa guys here know everything and domt need to try
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They amaze me with what they know, instinctively...
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Jebus the resistance to even a single day of fasting is unreal. I fasted for 20 days and lost 25 lbs. I didn't die, didn't curl up in a ball in the corner of the gym sobbing, didn't develop terminal death syndrome. Yeah, I didn't have the same stamina, but I managed just fine. I pulled 440 before and still pulled an easy 425 the week after I finished. One day a week of fasting is a brain dead simple, zero-effort, way to reduce my weekly calorie intake by 1/7th. Not to mention the increased mental clarity.
5t3fan0 6y ago
my max was 10days: on the 12th i ran 10km with almost same time it tooks me the day before starting the fast (2-3 mins give or take)
fasting is a truly great taboo in western society.
SpaceEnthusiast 6y ago
That's sick! How many pounds did you bounce back up once you started eating again and filled your gut up?
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About 6 lbs of rebound, I cut from 235 to 210 and then bounced around 215-217 for the next week. I think some of it is gut weight for sure, and some of it is getting back onto carbs which creates more glycogen in your system which holds onto more water.
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pulled 15 lbs less.........! see muscles wasted away
WoodWizzy87 6y ago
How much extra muscle in your posterior chain did you really lose to drop off 15lbs on a deadlift? A couple ounces maybe lol.
I’d wager s guess and say you become weaker due to all your glycogen stores being depleted in 1. Muscles and 2. Liver.
SuperCrazy07 6y ago
Wait what? Is that supposed to be 2 days?
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December 4th through 23rd. 20 days.
africanized 6y ago
What are you defining fasting as?
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No food. It was technically a little bit cheaty since I allowed myself a coffee with 18% cream in the morning (no carbs in it though so no insulin spike), and I'd have a full blown cheat of either a beer or a vodka/soda most nights. And to be totally honest there was one day I had a small handful of gummy bears I think I might have had a protein bar on one of the earlier days. Other than that I took some salt packets from mcdonalds and made some chicken bullion cube broth to drink to keep my salt levels up. There's a whole subreddit dedicated to fasting - it's a small sub but you should check out some of the results people post.
africanized 6y ago
That's incredible. Really goes totally against the generally accepted orthodoxy. Do you eventually just stop feeling hungry?
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You ever have one of those days where you're super busy, lunch rolls around, you feel hungry, but you're so busy you skip lunch? Before you know it dinnertime rolls around and you realize you haven't eaten all day but your lunchtime hunger just kinda went away on its own? Once you get into it, you still get hungry feelings once in a while ( a few times a day maybe) but they come and then go pretty quickly, especially after you realize they're just just something you feel that doesn't really need to be responded to. Although the first couple of days tend to be tougher because (from what I've read) you haven't fully kicked into fat metabolizing mode so there's still more residual hunger from all the insulin/glycogen in your system. But overall it was kinda bizarre that, at various points in the day, you notice that you don't feel hungry at all, but you've had nothing to eat in two weeks.
Iwannachokekatie 6y ago
Are you still butthurt over people wanting to see how ripped you are?
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Id trade photos with you. Pls lube up and use a bananna. thx
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If your fat, not eating is gonna help
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
So you live on a semi constant cut?
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Id call it a long slow burn where I pop up to 13 to 14 percent and back down to 10 to 11
I have a social and professional life. I like to eat and drink
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Do you just maintain lifts or still trying to increase numbers?
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Id like an to rise but they have been stable to growing very slowly for some time. Id have to lift more than 3x per week and eat more to grow them. My whole point is that for SMV, I'm there now. The haters willfully ignore that I'm pretty strong as is
S-Blaze 6y ago
If you've got health issues caused by deficiencies however, let's say a magnesium deficiency, fasting too much and lifting at the same time can drain you. So know your issue firsthand and dont wreck yourself for the quick shred.
warrior5597 6y ago
Anything less than three days is hardly a fast, it a usually not until day three that adipose tissue would even mobilize and the feeling of hunger goes away. When people continually fast for 2-3 days they are essentially suffering all the side effects without reaping the full benefits. It's sort of like having withdrawal symptoms without having the benefits of stopping the drug.
Fasting, not just IF, is a key tool for increasing SMV for overweight men. Contrary to popular belief you can get stronger while fasting. Ask me how I know.
It's like the last 40 years we've completely ignored thousands of years of basic biological facts. If you fast for more than a few days the reverse often is true, you get increased levels of adrenaline, your brain switches to ketones, and adipose tissue is mobilized to prevent excessive lean mass loss. People hate to be honest about it, but if you're fat, no matter what you do you're going to lose some lean mass for the greater good. Anyone else set PRs after 5 days of fasting? It can happen.
Dr. Dom D'Agustino (sp?), and Dr. Jason Fung have done some good work in these fields.
riomas28 6y ago
Well said. The same people who hail paleo and Keto will denounce fasting. It's the same thing!
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Future_Alpha 6y ago
Then why is it said that fasting causes muscle loss even if less than a day? or is that BS?
PaulAJK 6y ago
Yes, it's bullshit. Your body will burn some protein, which is not the same as muscle. Protein is also connective tissue, collagen, skin, junky old white blood cells, which get created anew once your fast is over and you eat protein again. Which is why 2-3 day fast are incredibly healthy, especially among the older crowd.
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warrior5597 6y ago
If you're losing weight, a portion will always be lean mass. There is no magic trick to prevent that. However, what you do, and how you do it can skew the results drmatically. Forcing muscle adaptation while fasting will largely negate much lean tissue loss and promote losing adipose tissue, and allow you to continue gaining strength while losing body weight.
I could, and probably should, write a book on my experiences. I've done it all mate, from lfhc "fat camp" in my teens, to vegan, to paleo, keto, carnivore. To bodybuilding, to d2 athletics. To bring a 325lb fat fuck glued to video games for 3 years. From playing three sports in hs, to blowing a free ride at a major university because I got hurt in the off season and packed on the pounds, gave up, and dropped out.
To put it mildly, I'm an idiot, if you want to be smart learn from the mistakes of idiots. The fitness and health aspect of this board truly scares me sometimes, but the majority is decent enough info, there's some golden nuggets around here.
anonswede 6y ago
Yup.
Thinking about it from an evolutionary perspective it makes total sense, too.
Periods of feasting -> store extra energy as bodyfat
Periods of fasting -> try to burn bodyfat first while sparing muscle mass which will aid in survival / gathering / hunting
KekistanRefugee 6y ago
I have a Nutrition degree and a minor in biology, you’re right about a lot of the health tips being shit on here. Nutrition can be complicated, but it can also be simplified if you understand it.
Future_Alpha 6y ago
I have fasted for periods of 12+ hrs (up to 16) at a time because i was studying. I would lift 2-3x/week but i did not see many strength increases. In fact my bench went down from a 225 1rm to 15 despite consistent lifting.
I also find that after periods of fasting, I can't eat much anymore (for muscle gain) as I start getting explosive diarrhea (I literally start get stomach irritation within a half-hour after eating).
Any info about this?
SuperCrazy07 6y ago
Is that really a fast? I do that pretty frequently when I'm busy.
I actually think its counterproductive (I'm not doing it on purpose, but if I did) because I get too hungry and overeat when I'm done working.
I think the idea of a longer fast where you just suck it up and deal makes much more sense. I'm gonna give it a try.
warrior5597 6y ago
Not really, tbh. It's fairly common for the shits. First, we would have to define "lifting" in your context. Were you doing progressive weight training before and during? What were your sets, rest, and days off like? 1rm can be very drastically, were you training for 1rm? Progressive 5x5s mixed with some mcguff muscle failure workouts have always worked for me on cutting. Not allowing enough time between sets, and not enough days off is what held me back in the past.
Also, what was your intake? I usually get explosive shits when I come out of a fast as well as entering keto, in both cases it usually settles down after a day. I have a removed gallbladder however, so my digestive system is fked anyways.
Future_Alpha 6y ago
Yes I was. It was a program similar to either 5x5, or a full body one.
I would eat either a tub of yogurt, oatmeal or cutlets with pasta and tomato sauce.
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ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Yep, stupid dumbfuck posts this shit about fasting like it was something important. WE ALPHAS WANT to read shit about “what my sister told me about her ex boyfriends” and that it confirmed Awalt. We want to read about another dude who created female profile on tinder and got a clusterfuck of messages and suddenly understood the pill is real. This is what we want. And video games - in moderation.
u/stacysmomlovesme did you saw that important comment? THOSE FASTS BRING YOU NOWHWRE!!!!
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Lol. God forbid I share something that took my physique and SMV to a new level. It's painful to read and implement but fuckarounitis is real
dyed_red 6y ago
I'm not doing several-day-long fasts because I know there are better ways to achieve these goals, and it doesn't suit my lifestyle. I know it the same way that you don't have to jump off a cliff to find out what's gonna happen. Telling someone to "just suck it up and fast for a day" is a recipe for a lot of stress and effort wasted in vein. If it was as simple as that there wouldn't be such an obesity epidemic. There are lots of reasons why this advice is far from optimal
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Perhaps you know everything and should follow your own plan
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
I’m on my second attempt now. I lasted about 28 hrs last time before I got dizzy. Why am I trying that? Because psychology. I have had more interesting breakthroughs during that time than in past month combined. You say smv and aesthetics... we’ll see.
Thecornerman 6y ago
He’s right you know. Changing long term habits will do more for a person then simply saying “don’t eat for 2 days a week you fat fuck”
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
How long can you go with your phone set to greyscale?
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
So, how much hours did your Far Cry 5 completion took and how well did it went?
Did you kill the bad guy in the end?
How did it feel?
You're... kind of a winner, aren't you?
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Not eating 1 day per week 30 to 40 x per year IS a long term change in lifestyle
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
He’s playing video games. We’re wasting our time.
BillSander 6y ago
My longest fast is 132 hours. Did that one about a month ago.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
These posts really attract the downvotes from the fat hamsters.
For the first two days of March Madness a few weeks ago I took off from work and ate like a pig for 2 days. Because of that I followed with a 96 hour fast. Good way to compensate for all the junk I ate those 2 days.
A 24 or 48 hour fast is nothing after doing 96. If you can't do a simple 24 hour fast you are a fat ass with a food addiction, plain and simple.
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clavabot 6y ago
Same, On the first Sunday of every month I pig out on pancakes muffins carbs, etc then do a 24 hour fast and I do think it makes a difference. After the fast hop right back to intermittent fasting + keto and shit works, dropped 5% Bf in like 1-2 months
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They upvoted the post to be lean. They dont like it if a method called fasting is used to acheive the leanness