Very good read - i loved the "Trp is wisdom that has stood the test of time

I tend to think that we place females in "character" so we can cope. If we really dealt with them as they are, as people, we would be horrified in MANY cases (not all, of course) of the sheer vanity, sociopathology and self serving 'logic". We'd conclude they're "insane", like a nutter who believes their delusions, and we'd move on. BUT...we're lazy with an innate 'female perception disability' and many still want to enjoy those 'good bits' (sex, nurturing, eye candy etc)...so we put them into character. Of course our sociological female 'nutter' helps this process along by appearing "in character" (i.e make up/role play etc). In conclusion if we want to avoid women, such as the MGTOW's, then that's easy when you REALLY see them as "people"...but if you want sex, or a relationship, I think it helps to put them in character. A sense of denial really, otherwise we'd never get through it.

Indeed. Red Pill is "post-feminist" in that it doesn't question the notion that women should have equal rights in society, but in fact, their are judged upon their behaviour.

Maybe this is why women hate it, because it forces them to face up to the responsibilities part in the with-rights-come-responsibilities package.

history shows that people are generally pretty fucking awful.

You should read more history. I've found that leftists-- particularly feminists-- have a very pessimistic view of human nature and it usually stems from historical ignorance and/or historical revisionism. Humans made their way to the top of the food chain because they are incredible.

This is my personal take on what TRP is based on years in this community:

http://i.imgur.com/FnurWTA.png

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Feminislm is the radical notion that women are people*

(*) and that men are not

I was raised in probably one of the most extreme feminist cultures of the 1990s, and we were taught that slogan, "feminism is the radical notion that women are people."

The slogan should rather have been "feminism is the radical notion that women are better people" because that's a hell of a lot more accurate.

"So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer

With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her

Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands

To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands."

Men are the Romantics that need to learn to be Realists.

Red Pill helps us become Realists.

I agree 100%... Beta is a "new creation" ("Last Man") that came from Feminism.

If your father was Beta that's the wrong yardstick of history to compare against. Beta was already growing strong 50 years ago.

To go further I think women expect men of high value to know this intrinsically.

There is no organization that furthers the idea that women are irresponsible children more than feminists. Every one of their demands requires men to do something for them.

Denying women special privileges is sexist, apparently.

Everyone has the same rights to life, liberty, and property. In Western culture those rights are said to be from a Creator, God. Men created the very concept of rights (but gave credit to God) and believed in the inherent dignity of humans that they made it a universal value, not just men, not just Europeans, everyone.

Women, as a group, are incapable of performing the duties necessary for the formation and sustenance of civilization. It's 'creator' and 'builder' males that construct institutions and guard them (with their lives) against self-destructive and 'watch the world burn' males.

In non-Western cultures there doesn't exist this preoccupation with "rights." Western "rights" are a fiction. A man-made fiction attributed to God. Here is a good quote by Robert Heinlein from Starship Troopers:

Ah, yes, the 'unalienable rights.' Each year someone quotes that magnificent poetry. Life? What 'right' to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries. What 'right' to life has a man who must die if he is to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of 'right'? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is 'unalienable'? And is it 'right'? As to liberty, the heroes who signed that great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is always unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it is always vanquished. Of all the so-called 'natural human rights' that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.

Civilization is the result of an abundance of male strength and the desire for a system of patriarchy--which is male investment in the future. It is a group of men floating in the Pacific who decide not to tread water until they drown, but to work together to gather flotsam and jetsam and fashion a raft, and later add an oar, and then a sail, and pick up other men and women who are just treading water and make them into a crew.

Enough time has gone by that people have forgotten what it's like to exist outside of civilization. We have disaster and "collapse porn" and "preppers" who try to learn how to survive if institutions rapidly collapse. Our once humble raft is now a gargantuan aircraft carrier and the bridge has been given over to women and men who think like women. They have slowly but surely transformed the aircraft carrier of Western Civ into a prison barge of high taxation and regulation, while other civilizations (Islam, China, Russia) who don't even acknowledge the Western ideas of human rights are steadily building their rafts into aircraft carriers.

Things are going badly for us. Western Civilization is being transformed for the worse. Europe especially is being inundated with Muslim immigrants that care nothing for Western values or philosophy. They are easily radicalized and become the 'watch the world burn' males that can tear down civilization. At the same time Europe is so emasculated that they are afraid to see reality for what it is, choosing instead the feminine value of 'no hate speech' and 'make everyone feel welcome', but they sow the seeds of their own destruction.

If men are too stupid or too emasculated to take control back, Western Civ will simply go away, like the Roman Empire. Political ties will dissolve, the machine will grind to a halt, things that break will go unfixed, and waves of barbarians will reclaim territory, or it will be absorbed by civilizations that are still sane. In a state of nature, survival of the fittest is the gold standard for what the future looks like. The future doesn't look Western one bit.

One of my favourite quotes has always been:

"Man's greatest weakness is his facade of strength. Woman's greatest strength is her facade of weakness."

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Wasn't one of the highest rated top posts in the last week or two literally saying all women are children?

Yeah feminism claims to be so pro-strength but has this victim mentality. All I want from feminism is for politics to stay out of my vagina/uterus. Aside from that, I work in health research and am constantly hearing shit about women being under represented in STEM fields (my major was chemistry) and that we make less money... My department (pharmacology) is almost exactly 1/2 and 1/2 and I've seen the payroll paperwork, we all make the same based on our experience and education. I just don't see the value in most facets of feminism in the developed world Edit to add - feminism has also become fat activism by association. Also I don't want to be a feminist if it means an alliance with trans women who aren't biologically women. I have a bunch of conditions including precancerous cervical cells that means a hysterectomy by 35. A trans "woman" won't have that issue, or need an abortion, or birth control, so I fail to see where our interests align

All women are children. I have sex with women. Does that make me a psychological pedophile?

From what I remember in elementary school (I'm in college right now so the memory is still somewhat fresh), boys have always been reprimanded for instinctive male behaviour, (being physical, horsing around, being competitive) and girls praised for their natural behaviour (being not as active, following instructions, etc).

How many times do you remember girls getting into trouble with the teachers? Personally, I can recall more times that I've been in trouble than the number of times girls, in general, have. Girls at that age are rarely held accountable for anything. This is also partly due to the fact that teachers at this stage of education were mostly female.

The result is generations of boys believing that their natural tendencies are inherently bad and must suppress them in order to integrate well into society; as well as generations of girls who believe nothing is ever their fault. So naturally, boys grow up believing they are morally below their female counterparts and place them on a pedestal, while girls grow up not able to handle responsibility for their actions and blame their problems on boys.

This is extremely evident in the current wave of feminism that we see in social media and education, which is women constantly identifying themselves as the victims and claiming society, men, media to be responsible.

While feminism's slogan might have once been "feminism is the radical notion that women are people," it has far deviated from that. Although the current movement claims to be about equality, their pursuits now are mostly just trivial matters that give females even more privilege and deniability of responsibility. Largely because the actual noble causes like right to vote, issues about real discrimination and sexism were already fought for and won.

The phrase "women are people," interestingly, is a more suitable slogan for the red pill now because we acknowledge that women are just people like you and me.

I realize this is not revolutionary new information for the red pill. It really was just a way for me to organize my thoughts externally. Plus it might help some new comers

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One of the most pernicious spins the blue-pill MSM puts on our message is the idea that AWALT is somehow said from a position of hate, like an angry virgin screaming "all women are bitches and whores!" rather than a statement made with shoulder-shrugging neutrality.

Could you imagine if this logic were extended to other situations? Like if I were called a dog-hater because I heard someone didn't earn their dog's respect and got bit, and my response was "it's a dog, what did you expect?"

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anarcho punk? the slogan sounds like some anti-product lyrics

That should be the new slogan of the sub:

"The Red Pill is the radical notion that men are people."

Then sit back and watch the 2XC wheel spin at a million RPMs lol

Good way to look at it I reckon OP. Succinctly put: A mans capacity for violence + manipulation = A woman's capacity for violence + manipulation.
Women just have less capacity for violence.

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"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people" is just typical of the Orwellian doublethink favoured by the Left. Obfuscating the true meanings of words behind political correctness.

Their survival toolkit has a lot less capability for physical violence in it

Based on experience, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

I think it's important to consider in these perspectives the Beautiful Ones experiment - a society of excess and unrestriction on the worst part of the feminine nature leads to an exasperated level of their tendencies i.e. single motherhood and mistreatment of their young

Saying that women are people implies that they are capable of having basic morals and empathy. They are biologically driven to serve themselves and any perception of empathy is easily proven to be ultimately self-serving.

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I grew up in western Massachusetts... Home of ultra liberal womens colleges and the town of Northampton which has a large lesbian population. It wasn't a bad place to grow up but I definitely felt I was at a disadvantage for being a white male.

The entire area has been overdosing on the blue pill.

They are people. Weaker, less intelligent, emotionally volatile people.

It's been used for thousands of years abd it's still use in some of the greatest countries we now have on earth...Saudi Arabia, drc, Afghanistan...where women still know their place, it's why they are the counties progressing the world

Recently I came to pretty much the same realization: It's TRP that finally took women off the pedestal for me.

They're servants if used properly.

When you think about it, TRP is totally femminist. It's saying womeb are just like men and have as much power. Oh the horror!