Fuck, guys.
A girl I was with last night who knows me fairly well really got under my skin when she asked what I'm doing with my life/why I'm not doing something I'm more passionate about.
Deep down, I do feel this HUGE societal pressure to do something I'm passionate about in my job. I told her I'm doing whatever I want... that I like my hobbies much more than being obsessed with a single job. And most of me does think that's the truth. I do have a job in the airline that pays shit, but allows me to fly all over the place, and an electrician apprenticeship in a family business that gives me good exercise, and a higher per-hour wage than that graphic designer girl I was banging will ever make.
I enjoy working with my hands and tools MUCH MUCH more than clicking at a computer all day (past experience grant writing and a life of experience sitting in front of a computer). Many many hobbies: motorcycle building, BJJ, rock climbing furniture making- I've even sold a few pieces this year.
I'm 25, I dropped out of university for architecture with about a year left- and I guess I just don't know... I think part of me wants to own what I'm currently doing and just feel good about it, but another part of me really does think I'm not hitting my potential and fuck I should get a computer science or engineering degree (I took quite a few math courses at Uni) and move out west, make a buttload of money, not destroy my body at work, and have the ability to help on some awesome projects out there (would love to be able to contribute to things like TOR, etc).
Any thoughts on passion at your job? Do you do a job you're passionate about? Do you just go where the money is and enjoy the life that that money gives you? Where is the balance?
And yeah, I did say I don't want to be in front of a computer, but let's be honest here.. jobs that aren't 60 hours a week and don't kill your back, that pay well that aren't computer related and aren't at super high risk of automation/destruction by 3d-printer? Yeah. There are certainly perks to desk jobs, I guess. And just as working with my hands is awesome, the downside is it wears on my body.
eviljohnn 10y ago
If an outside remark got under your skin then you need to reassess your own feelings. It could be that you are the primary person feeling that uneasiness but it was just verbalized by someone else.
Eg. If I told a thin person that he is fat, he will look at me like I'm retarded and keep talking. If I told a fat person that he is fat, and he feels the same way, it will get under his skin cause it is already bothering him even if he can tell it.
creamyfish 10y ago
That's why I made this post, ya doof. Reassessment. I'm asking asktrp am I actually fat or do I just have high bmi... Because society tells me I should be xxx weight (find a job you're passionate about even if it pays you shit) But I admit I'm a pretty self conscious person... And need to work on that.
But my question is that we hear that job and passion should be intertwined from so young... Does this idea make any sense? Shouldn't a job be a means to an end? I'm just looking for other opinions besides the lies I grew up on... I.e. be nice to girls and they will want you.
Old_Pine_Tree 10y ago
I heard this fucking line so many times during my undergrad: "Geology is my passion! I am so passionate about rocks!" etc., ad nauseam. The worst part is, it still hangs around in my professional life; I just had a former colleague on LinkedIn congratulate me on a new contract with the phrase, "isn't it so great you get to do what you are passionate about?"
Good god.
Despite being very interested in geology and Earth history, and being very good at my job, I have never - not once - been passionate about it. Are you fucking kidding me? What kind of moron gets passionate about their job?
I hate the word, I hate the emotional context it tries to create, and I hate its sad application as nothing more self-rationalizing bullshit. "Well, I guess I am stuck with this, better try my hardest to convince everyone and myself I actually like it."
It's the romantic comedy trope of the working world. Instead of falling victim to it, do what is interesting/challenging, take pride in what you are able to accomplish, and use it to fund things that are more fun and enjoyable, be that travel, mountaineering, playing squash, or reading scientific journals.
Don't fall into the hype surrounding 'passion', and debunk that shit whenever you can.
slurmssmckenzie 10y ago
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donxjohnson 10y ago
Christ this is one of the best posts I've read here. I couldn't agree more with this.
[deleted] 10y ago
You should have some work you're passionate about, but it doesn't have to be something you do for money. It should be something you take seriously and invest time and energy into, but it shouldn't be something other people pressure you into. No one else can give your life meaning or your work purpose, so disregard what other people say and focus on what makes you happy in the long term.
I don't know your relationship with this girl, but it's the mark of a good friend to ask when you don't seem like you're doing what's best for you. Sometimes we need some honesty from another person to reorient ourselves.
puaSenator 10y ago
First off, NEVER do what you are passionate in life with as a career. It's terrible often repeated advice. If passions could pay the bills, we'd have a whole lot more artists and musicians running around. However, they don't most of the time.
This doesn't mean just follow the money though. It just means, be realistic in what will bring you closer to your goals. Do you think the founders of Instagram were passionate about mobile photo filters? No of course not. Yet, they weren't miserable either. Yes, they were busting their ass, but the key to their drive and fulfillment in their career is what is key. That key is purpose.
A man should be constantly be seeking and pursuing their purpose in life. What they shouldn't be doing is wasting their time building another man's purpose (another mans company). It's no different than raising another dudes child. Your this other guys bitch. Your building his purpose in life. Your working hard to ensure he has enough money in his life where he can buy nice things and exercise their financial freedom.
Every time I mention this around here. Someone will eventually respond with, "Well, yeah. But I have bills to pay." Well, so does everyone else. And this guy will also spend the rest of his life saying, "I have bills to pay" as an excuse to slave away in a job they hate. They'll rarely travel, because they have to work. They will never truly experience freedom nor will they actually offer value to the world. They are a free market bitch that sacrifices their limited time to another man in exchange for some cash.
Of course, just because you choose the standard career route we've all been fed our entire lives, it doesn't mean you're a bad person. However, you're certainly not being the best person you can be. You can still have a great life, beautiful wife, and great children, but you could have so much more if you actually created value for the world.
bobjoe177 10y ago
I plant trees for a living and I love it. I make ok money, and it keeps me in great shape. It got me through uni debt-free and next fall I plan on entering a Master's program. Wear and tear on your body is inevitable and can be mitigated by taking care.of yourself. I love that I can get such a tangible sense of accomplishment from something so simple. I hit 1 million trees this year!
TankVet 10y ago
I'm a veterinarian. I love my job. I'm excited to get up and go to work. I have fun. I'm even pretty good at it.
Is it my favorite thing in the world? Nope. Is it my dream job? Nope. Do I care? Not a bit.
My job, my career, isn't who I am. It isn't what I love. I love my family and my friends and my dog. Being a vet lets me be better to them and take plenty of time for myself. I would rather be a good vet (and make a good living doing it), instead of a struggling [hypothetical dream gig] who can't make my age.
I made the decision to have a career that I like (maybe I love, but I like it a lot) in order to free myself up to do the stuff I really like. Because, for me, the stuff that I really cared about wasn't my job. It doesn't have to be the perfect job to make you happy.
creamyfish 10y ago
I really really appreciate your replies, guys.
RedBigMan 10y ago
I always say for career advice...
Find the intersection of these three points and you'll find your career.
That should set the bullseye for your career goals. Look at that and the stuff closest to it and you'll probably find something to enjoy.
I'd say the problem working physically is that most people dont get enough physical work rather than too much and it wearing down their body too fast.