I find shared finances in marriages abhorrent. The man usually works his ass off for a higher income, and some woman comes along and has direct access to this income for no reason whatsoever besides having a pussy?
I guess that made sense back when women couldn't study/work, but nowadays it's absurd.
ppanther92 2y ago
I mean, it depends on the "deal" for me, tbh. This can very much be mutually beneficial. Quite some men like the idea of their wife staying at home, doing the household and raising kids and I would argue that also quite a lot of women like the idea of being provided for by a man while being a mother. But divorce law, hypergamy and especially social developments build the success of such a deal on very shaky fundaments nowadays.
aloneseeker 2y ago
can we move money to swiss bank accounts? and that money no court can have access to?
omega_dawg93 2y ago
i love how some women think marriage automatically makes them the family CPA with her duty & purpose being handling the money.
and i lol at guys who hand over their paycheck and ask for an allowance... that shit is pitiful!
note:. 7 out of 10 marriages end bc of $$$ arguments & issues... and women initiate divorce about 80% of the time. surprised?
meanwhile to her, her money is hers and your money is ours... bc trust me, mama told her to keep a private getaway fund.
wise up, fellas.
babayega 2y ago
Find a woman that makes more than you?
WhatRemainsAfter 2y ago
Who will take care of your kids and cook for you when both of you are working?
It is a trade off. You provide her resources and she takes care of home and kids.
I actually like this. When i come home, i need an energetic partner who is happy to see me. If your partner is working in office, you cannot expect this.
More over, working environment aka corporates make a women masculine.
beginner_ 2y ago
You don't have kids do you?
Megabyte7637 2y ago
No. I don't want this. I can handle myself. I could do these things without a bitch when in single & built my business from scratch I don't need her now.
Don_Draper27 2y ago
If I made enough money and I wanted a lot of kids then having my partner be a stay at home mom wouldn't be a bad idea.
Daycare costs alone are $100-300 a week.
Although I strongly disagree about expecting an energetic partner when you get home.
She's most likely going to be stressed out from being around a crying baby all day.
beginner_ 2y ago
exactly. And wait till they are toddlers or teenagers.
WhatRemainsAfter 2y ago
This can easily be solved when you have a parents/ grandparents at home.
They take care of the kids during the day while your spouse do chores.
It is amazing how family system has always been demonized and nuclear family has been promoted.
SuperSultan 2y ago
Nuclear families are being demonized too now
babayega 2y ago
Chores? Bruh get a housekeeper.
mr4kino 2y ago
That was indeed the case till 50 years ago.
With divorce rape and child support rape, this doesn't make any sense. At least before you worked and you got results.
WhatRemainsAfter 2y ago
This is why vetting is required. You need to vet at every stage if you plan to tie the knot.
I think, divorce happens way before paperwork. Cost of damage on mental and spiritual level is equally important than just financial.
So, Vet as if life's well being depend on it. Don't ignore red flags. Be a leader. Try to cultivate strong family values.
If you do properly, it is reasonable to assume you will find a women who has similar values. Giving you favourable odds.
mr4kino 2y ago
I completely disagree. This has been proven times and times to not work in lots of cases nowadays. Just ask the guys here or over at mgtow.
Also just this sentence "giving you favorable odds" tells me a lot. I don't want odds. I want certainty. Like it was before.
WhatRemainsAfter 2y ago
Nothing is certain in life. Not even life is certain.
Men over mgtow have been burned and their reasoning has hatred and pity. It is advisable to be cautious, hence do rigorous vetting. Don't ignore red flags. Lead. Chances are in your favour.
At the end of the day, it is a game. You win or lose. I play to not lose. :)
mr4kino 2y ago
We disagree on our way of thinking. You are in the philosophical part, I'm in the rationale part. Best wishes though.
WhatRemainsAfter 2y ago
I try to be balanced. Need to be practical but at the same time, i don't want beauty of life to be taken away because of some burns in past.
Best wishes mate. Cheers.
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WhatRemainsAfter 2y ago
While i understand where you are coming from but such thinking breeds poison.
Marriage is sham for people who just consider this a mundane society ritual. It is this reason why you should prefer a religious women who believes in higher causes and purposes.
Life is beautiful. Play with brains and don't compromise on your values. You will be amazed how wonderful it can keep on getting.
MusicgoonV2 2y ago
You don't need consensus from anyone. A bad idea is a bad idea. Don't buy into ideas you don't like. Simple.
MrSlommy7 2y ago
It'd be fine if it was mutually beneficial and you couldn't get divorce raped. There's obvious practicality in having someone at home looking after children, cooking, cleaning etc. Was also easier when it was economically viable for there to be only one bread winner at each household.
TheEndTrend 2y ago
This is the one and ONLY way I would ever get married again, let alone financially care for a woman.
northern_leftie 2y ago
Pre-nuptual agreement and/or never get married.
If you truly want to protect yourself, and it ain't for everyone, vasectomy. Freeze sperm first of course to give yourself the chance to change your mind. Many women won't be keen, but depends who you want to lead your life, you or your partner. They may not be keen to stay and that's OK, but you both get to choose what you want.
BranchCovidianZealot 2y ago
Even pre-nuptual agreements are meaningless, judges throw them out all the time.
northern_leftie 2y ago
Is that a US thing?
I'm in the UK. I do agree they are not foolproof and can be overturned.
Marriage seems to be very bad for ones financial situation.
Joe_Doblow 2y ago
marry someone richer than you with more assets
TheEndTrend 2y ago
A vasectomy is reversible as well.
northern_leftie 2y ago
It is, but is classed as permanent because the chance of reversal decrease with every year. It may be good as a first option, but having a second fallback increases your odds.
Jasperthekitteh 2y ago
Snip! Snap! Snip! Snap! Snip! Snap! I did! You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person!
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_-o-0-O-vWv-O-0-o-_ 2y ago
You aren't harsh, you are based.
crkdopn 2y ago
as harsh as it is, it's true. i learned you can't even trust your damn family.
SenorTonto 2y ago
Do you want to have kids with her? If so, when that happens will you still have this 50/50 mindset?
beginner_ 2y ago
Downside if you split everything 50/50 you will be living by a lower standard than you could afford. Not sure if it's a issue with law. I did a 75/25 split with my GF (because I made 75 of the down payment) and we hence split all the house related costs that way except running cost of course. they are 50/50.
Intrepid_Artist 2y ago
Your gf should really "protect" you from her family. Is none of their business.
Those people really... fuck em
Professional-Run-471 2y ago
Man how can a GIRLFRIEND not even a wife demand that
throwawaytsom 2y ago
Entitlement
drakehfh 2y ago
Wait until she divorces you. You will pay all of it.
babayega 2y ago
Marry someone that makes more money. Profit if they want a divorce.
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drakehfh 2y ago
My bad, I thought I replied to OP.
jeffwingersballs 2y ago
Be mindful of common law marriages in your region.
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bajafishtaco 2y ago
Just have foreign accounts if you have a second citizenship. I keep half my money in europe in a somewhat shady country. Good luck to those attorneys trying to find those accounts.
LibertarianLibertine 2y ago
Try not bragging about them online.
bajafishtaco 2y ago
Yep, that was enough information for someone to find it... It wasnt bragging im just saying that was my fail safe in cas everything goes to shit.
vonkrueger 2y ago
Oh hi Mark
bajafishtaco 2y ago
I did naht hit her ... I DEED NAhht
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bajafishtaco 2y ago
I mean they can find it all they want, good luck enforcing it. And if im sensing its not going my way in court im out of here anyways.
babayega 2y ago
Exactly! If you earn location independent income and want to spend time with beautiful women there are 0 reasons for you to be in Canada.
tyalanm 2y ago
Lmaooooo you're a G dude
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319Skew 2y ago
Can confirm.
dankeykang4200 2y ago
You gotta "lose" the money by gambling. Go to a casino, get a bunch of chips, play a few games, then cash out but don't tell anyone
HaroldTFinch 2y ago
Cash back off a debit card at the grocery store works similar. Which probably lots of women do.
Gackt 2y ago
Cucknada.
Gyms haven't been open since last year in there..
throwawaytsom 2y ago
Gyms are open in BC, they've been open for quite sometime, but you gotta wear a mask inside the gym. My gym requires you wear them even when working out :/
Paintsnifferoo 2y ago
It's the same in the more densely populated areas of the USA and Mexico. Lived in Chicago where the apartment complex has a free gym And in Monterrey Mexico where I am paying for one and both cities require masks for gyms.
Masks for gyms have been a thing since May 2020 from my experience and even friends in South America and Europe use them in their gym photos. Where in North America does a gym not require masks since the pandemic started? with the exception of masks mandates being lifted this week in some places?
babayega 2y ago
Not that I know of and I traveled extensively.
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babayega 2y ago
Heard great thing about Columbia, never been. Ukraine is the best country in the world by a big margin for me, but I speak Russian. Trying to date in Canada after Ukraine is like force feeding yourself lefovers after eating fresh steak every day.
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It depends on if your state has common law marriage or not
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But jUsT vOtE!!! You can vote for better candidates!
Either vote for the woke left or the ones who want to trad life. At least conservatives have some good policies and go against woke culture, that’s the main reason I like them.
Sad fact is there is no party in the US that actually benefits men. Voting is a scam to make the sheep feel like their voice matters. It used to matter. If anyone thinks the elite actually leave the elections up to the general population.. they are bluepilled.
They don’t like to hear this but parties give us the illusion of choice.
IterMercator 2y ago
The problem with marriage and political candidates is that the left ones are anti-men in marriage due to wokism, and the right ones aren't explicitly anti-men but make divorce pro-woman (either out of discouraging divorce between couples somehow, or because they still have the mindset the average woman is a feeble housewife with no possibility of income after marriage even if there are no kids)
You will get shafted either way, just that the way they do it is different, only thing would be to vote right since they don't explicitly hate you for being male
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Yes but you also have to remember the right wants Pro Life which directly goes against TRP strategy.
Let’s say you fuck up and slip your dick in raw, and finish in her. The pro life lady will want the baby and baby trap you because she wants a traditional lifestyle. Woke liberal will get an abortion and fuck off.
Both “sides” suck.
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I know, but let’s be honest. Most people think voting is “revolting”.
BranchCovidianZealot 2y ago
The population as a whole has become far too soft. There will be no revolt. We really are on our own. Men must be free agents, living as sovereign a lifestyle as they possibly can, because neither the political nor cultural landscape will go back in their favor in the forseeable future. The only solution is to live single and independent, and pursue a pump-and-dump lifestyle.
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This is true. There will be no revolt. The sheep think voting for another old political candidate is “revolutionary”. Voting is for sheep and has been for a while now.
mrrooftops 2y ago
You're essentially her 'carer'.
daddysgotanew 2y ago
There’s only 3 rules. Never get married, never share finances or let her know how much you make, and never move in together.
Aeterni_ 2y ago
Typically, a man would financially sustain a woman so that she can look after the home, the children, and other responsibilities. I don’t see an issue with this dynamic.
penguin4290 2y ago
Equal rights, equal finances. If she doesn’t like that maybe you can work out a non-equal arrangement where you get to beat her, she only speaks when spoken to, etc.
Tambamwham 2y ago
Only way I would pay for a woman is if she’s the mother of my child and if I’m rich. Rich enough to where I wouldn’t care about paying for her even if the relationship went sideways.
Rispy_Girl 2y ago
You don't give access to finances to anyone, except your ltr. You don't have an ltr just for pussy. You get into a ltr because as a couple you are stronger and both can get farther. She supports you and, for example, makes your favorite foods, so you don't go out to eat as much, this saving money and being healthier. She encourages you to learn and grow and accomplish more than you could by yourself. And you do the same for her, though in a different way, because after all men and women are psychologically different. Plus if you think your genetics are worth passing on a good partner plus yourself will give your children a better chance than you alone could.
If it's just for the pussy, then prostitution has a price on that and it isn't access to your wallet.
T00kTheRedPill 2y ago
Guys, DO NOT listen to this jargon. You may find your unicorn, but at ANY TIME she can decide that she no longer wants to do her wifely or motherly duties and rake you over the coals.
The only person who gets stronger in an LTR when sharing finances is the female, because now her money is hers and your money is hers.
Btw, a prostitute would be cheaper and safer.
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Drowssap145145 2y ago
Yes. Amazing perception. You really deserve that tag.
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Still_Anybody2153 2y ago
yup and that should be enough reason to grind harder
radiomoskva1991 2y ago
They get both now. And if you complain, you’re weak.
MattyAnon Admin 2y ago
This is the exact case, yes.
Women could always study and work. Don't let the feminists make you believe otherwise.
Yes, the whole idea of marriage is ridiculous. 50 years ago it made partial sense: housework was more difficult without modern conveniences, and raising 5 children took a lot of time and effort.
In modern times it is cultural insanity.
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gbizzle2 2y ago
No.
Youre not the only one. In fact i see legal marriage in 2021 as the official certificate of the blue pilled beta male.
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throwawaytsom 2y ago
Well, back when women were feminine, the exchange was money for someone who can raise a family. All human relationships are transactional in one way or another. Your parents raised you so that when they are old and fragile, you'll support them. Same thing with marriage. Unfortunately, nowadays women are extremely entitled, they can't cook, clean, or raise children. So now men are expected to do everything. There are some women out there who still have these old-fashioned values, so you should only stick to those women. Any women who values her career over her family is a no go for me. Watch this (start at 2:45): https://youtu.be/oi6i2ACRN7A
IterMercator 2y ago
The idea of low and high Family Market Value (FMV) comes to mind, since low FMV is exactly that; basically only have their pussy to offer like a garden tool rather than having the skills to properly support and cultivate a healthy family.
I would argue a career to support a family is a fair exception, career women are pretty much LARPing because they don't have to work to survive (end of the day there will always be a beta buck), but if they are doing it to generate wealth so their future family can strive, I support that (and in modern day where dual income is almost essential in cities, moreso).
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Here we go, blackpill is taking over
UniversalFapture 2y ago
As long as i have my meals cooked & my balls drained & she knows when to stfu i’m good
Intrepid_Artist 2y ago
It's fucking illusion. Cause both genders work, housing increased so much, one salary goes for mortgage payment .
I don't play that game. Live in European countryside, is better life quality for kids away from big city obsession with materialism. We spent weekends hiking and fixing house. Girls can play, need help wife, son is with me. I let him be a man. But gotta work with me.
Live manimalism, without TV, i read to kids a lot. Wife mostly work 35 hours weekly, but has 4 months off. I do 50 hours with 6 weeks off yearly. Wife goes to her homeland every summer and I have time for serious hiking, climbing with my old man, before god takes him
As well find a time to game girls in summer, even am not that interested.
We managed to save every month and invest. Have one common portfolio, each kiddo has own and I do have much larger porfolio from days before marriage. Wife doesn't know, neither can reach, cause assets are written on my father and uncle name. And she can not reach kids portfolio. Once kids are 30, can withdraw.
I mean you need to build up life the right way.
Lateralanouncer 2y ago
Then after you become ”controlling” and she cheats or you cheat after her pussy dries up she will take half of all the stuff you worked your ass of for. I'm talking your entire 20s of effort. I'm talking your retirement plan. Your kids will now be bastards and likely hate you as she brainwashes them. Being zeroed out is a real thing.
Visible-Bookkeeper18 2y ago
I feel sorry for whoever sleeping with you
Lateralanouncer 2y ago
Weirdo
New_Guard 2y ago
I don't object to your overall statement, but check your definition of bastard.
IterMercator 2y ago
lol
Lateralanouncer 2y ago
Have similar personality traits to bastard children.
sicrm 2y ago
SAHM only makes sense now if you have a trust or you don’t marry her in a place with no common law.
anyone who bets their life’s work on a prenup is a fool.
Don_Draper27 2y ago
This is how it was a hundred years ago. Men go to work and women stay home to raise the kids and clean the house.
This changed drastically during WW2 when the men were overseas so the women had to join the work force and keep the economy running.
Since then, it's progressed steadily where there are more woman in colleges now than men.
Men still populate the CEO and top positions, but a reason for this is because women tend to take time off for maternity leave.
But there's absolutely zero obligation for you to share half your assets, so just don't be dumb and you're good.
ass-thetics 2y ago
If she's willing to cook for me and my kids, and make sure I come home to a beautiful house everyday with a smiling wife, then it makes sense. But under no circumstances do you get the law involved in this transaction.
FussRoDa 2y ago
Yes +1 to this. If she does the homely duties I'll gladly be the breadwinner
Artistic_Guest4386 2y ago
no, youre sane
Niorba 2y ago
I assure you, nobody enters marriage or a relationship expecting to do that. People enter marriage expecting to be partnered with a fully independent, contributing, competent adult. This is a totally reasonable expectation in any normative relationship.
Where did you get the idea that women are financially dependent?
drakehfh 2y ago
I wouldn't mind of she was my wife. She would be more conservative, raising our kids and I would reward that behavior.
For sure not spoil her though.
zino193 2y ago
So, I just want to mention that the premise of you supporting a woman - is just in Americvnt - Gynocentrism The country.
Evanghelism and a century of wealth really fucked you guys over as providing a free ticket to women in conservative circles is the standard. Let's not even mention your absurd alymony laws.
In reality - 2 income households is the standard especially if you live in the city. At least until you have a child. And when you want kids you are working for the kid and she is providing child-rearing because nannies are fucking expensive and do a worse job than one of the parents.
Speaking as a european dude that won't touch "christian woman" because he knows all about that "old world" misandry, and wants none of that - make it clear you aren't dating, you aren't her partner you aren't here FOR HER support. You want to fuck, you want to laught, you want to spend time with her. That's why you are there. It's not to HELP her.
She might press and say - she needs a partner, a man to support her, raise her kids and shit. LET HER. Tell her to her face after you bust - "go on that date now, and don't be too hard on the dude, he seems like a nice guy."
It's not a game, it's not bluffing - genuinely understand her dual nature and that she has needs that can not be satified by the same man. Someone needs to pay the bills until she learns to behave like an adult. But for that she needs to want to be an adult, which is not your choice.
Jamahamakaze 2y ago
To be honest, I think at this point I understand it from a biological perspective. Out with birth control, Women spend so much of their life actually physically incapable of doing much else other than nursing children I.e periods to pregnancy to nursing ad infinitum to menopause.
Obviously now in society things are different, but from a natural perspective I can understand the provider man and stay at home woman dynamic.
Not saying I’m cool with it, or that’ll I’ll do it (again) just that it makes sense
Rispy_Girl 2y ago
Now that I've had my first kids I have something to add to this. Your children are better off with a caretaker that genuinely cares and will cater to them instead of daycare or school. I knew this from my personal experiences with school, but I only just really started to understand how much attention a baby wants and realized how hard it would be to give that attention to each individual child in daycare and school settings.
Jamahamakaze 2y ago
I guess that's contextual, I'm a full time single father to two, and our local school has been great for my kids, and for a man in my position, but I can understand that is relative to a lot of factors. That being said, I wholeheartedly believe that a woman that wants to be cared for so she can raise a family, is perfectly acceptable, provided she plays her part well.
naffix 2y ago
Marry a woman who has a job that is almost equal to or greater than yours and problem solved.
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adam-l Moderator 2y ago
No it didn't. It was absurd even back then. Neotraditionalism is the resurrection of stupidity. Desperation for female affection disguised as masculine affluence. Bullshit.
The one positive thing of the new era is the chance to spin plates all along into your 50s. That's they way to go. (And there are several options when you get to 50 too).
edjohn88 2y ago
You're right and it's basic sidebar / rational male knowledge. Continue your research.
Drowssap145145 2y ago
Part of TRP defends marriage, so I wonder what these guys think of this.
NewCommonSensei 2y ago
Marriage is a scam who is defending it
edjohn88 2y ago
Good point, but Im pretty sure most fall under the split finances or "she gives you her salary in tribute" category. Is that your impression?
Pycnostyle 2y ago
Old, married dude here. I work outside the home (in a manner of speaking. Thanks COVID) and my wife quit her job to raise our kids and keep our home. She does a great job and I really appreciate everything she does.
Personally, I'm fine with the arrangement as is. The only problem I have is that if we were ever to divorce, she would probably get half our assets plus maintenance. But really, half our assets is enough for her to live on comfortably, so it's the maintenance I'd be pissed about since it would delay my retirement for no reason.
If you're not going to have kids, you probably should not be getting married or be otherwise financially supporting a woman. They want equal rights, which seems fair, but that also means equal responsibilities.
Metalgear222 2y ago
What part of TRP defends marriage?
The generally rule of thumb is dont have kids and don’t get married.
Personally, Marriage is only worth it if she makes more than you. Kids are only worth it if you literally can’t find fulfillment elsewhere.
edjohn88 2y ago
TRP is by definition sexual strategy and should never be viewed as an ultimate value. It's only a tool and an awareness.
As far as the species is concerned, sexual enjoyment means nothing compared to reproduction of survival traits, so to approach TRP as the highest aim bar none is to be selfish to the point of infinite hedonism, which is fine for the individual but also means severe degradation of the quality of future generations since the only offspring would be raised by blue pilled AFCs... you can see where it's going.
The rule of thumb is that yes, if you want the best sexual experience for yourself, it means no procreation, but our nature holistically prioritizes children over pleasure. Even through a redpilled lens, the ideal for the majority of men is going to include procreation in some fashion or another.
baldymcgee919 2y ago
What if she's earning more than you do?
Joe_Doblow 2y ago
There are issues with that sometimes. But in a divorce you will win financially, probably.
TheSunshineMan 2y ago
Keep in mind - as I posted yesterday that 50% of marriages end in divorce, I'm sure that number will go up.. and 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
User36474746 2y ago
This is the question women don't want you to ask.