Hey I've read all of the required reading and I can't say I disagree with just about any of it. It coheres with my experience and education.
After reading all of it, and now working my way through the blogs, I feel more and more like social interaction really is just a 'game' to be played.
The correlations are obviously why the community chose the title 'game' for romantic social interactions in the first place.
While reading through the board, I was going through some emotional highs as the truth bombs were hitting me, but now that I have read through most of it, I'm left with an overwhelming sense of emptiness.
I guess I don't really want to play the game. I want to get laid, and I want to be good with women, but knowing how it all works just takes the steam out of it for me. It's so...depressing. It's akin to realizing there is no God and as a result no ultimate purpose to human life. We're just here for no particular reason but to play this reproduction game. Where at first I thought I might find fulfillment and something to improve upon as I peeled back the layers of the onion, I only found more layers. More emptiness.
I've heard a lot of stories from dudes who applied this knowledge coming to similar conclusions after long enough.
Anyone else feel this way?
RedBigMan 10y ago
Relationships are a game.
Like any game (like chess), it's more fun to play when you know the rules of the game. The problem is most men and women are ignorant of the rules of the game so the result is doing stupid shit like sacrificing your queen to take a pawn because they dont know how valuable the queen is in the game :)
Zackcid 10y ago
I know the feeling. Finally understanding that falling in love with a girl in that Disney fashion just isn't possible for dudes...it was hard at first. Understanding that whatever the girl feels is a result of inner and outer game; not some magical coincidence.
But at the same time, this realization made me happy to know that I actually have control over my life and relationships. "Fate" isn't the one deciding these things, I am.
Nevertheless, I think you're just going through a phase many of us go through. Once you experience more of this lifestyle and meeting girls, you lose this silly concept of strategic game and it all becomes something natural. I've stopped over analyzing shit and trying to apply Game to every interaction I have with girls. There's something much deeper than that. I'm just having trouble putting it in words since inner Game and social dynamics are very abstract. I just want you to know that there is a whole other level after this textbook phase of Game. Just give it some time and you'll know what I mean.
deepthrill 10y ago
See, I feel the opposite way.
I feel an incredible sense of freedom to be released from false pretenses that the way I was trained to act doesn't work.
I have no imperative to do things I don't want to do. If I don't want to be in a relationship? Good, I can leave.
If I want to sleep with a certain type of woman, I can learn more game.
The fact that you no longer have this veil in front of you about this mysterious, romantic world of woman, you start to have to decide what you want to do with your life.
It's hard to look within and have to figure out what you want. But once you start to break your mind free from others' expectations, there is a whole possibility of choices available to you which you may never have considered in the past.
VZPurp 10y ago
Find your mission. Explore your creativity. Build. Produce.
Enjoy women on your terms. Yes, that means you'll have to figure out their behavior and how to seduce them, but really, it's not so bad at all.
By knowing the mechanics, you avoid personal catastrophe.
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Captain_Crunk_ 10y ago
ignorance is bliss
[deleted] 10y ago
Ya this is the age old question. If you take the red pill you might not like what you find...but at least it's the truth.
LifterofThings 10y ago
At the risk of committing the NAWALT sin against humanity....
... you should check out redpillwomen. It might give you some hope.
EleriumAvenger 10y ago
Congratulations you have stumbled on the first part of nihilism. the ideal that it is all pointless. If you look a little deeper the next step is two faceted, all humans need purpose in their lives to feel fulfillment and happiness and the only purpose that will be in your life are the ones you make for yourself. Perspective is important don't see the infinite complexity of life as emptiness but as an endless place to explore and experience. Life is short and the wonders of this world are endless. As for romance never forget that as a man the power is and always has been in your hands. Don't let a pretty face and the siren call of sex weaken your resolve. game is about having her jump through your hoops and refusing to jump through hers. If romance is to much work you have surrendered your power.
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I'm no stranger to nihilism but this further red pill takes away my desire for pretty much everything.
How do you deal with it? It's so bleak.
EleriumAvenger 10y ago
When was the last time you did something you enjoyed?
When was the last time you Interacted with a woman and just had fun, no focus on getting laid but just too have fun?
When was the last time you accomplished something you were proud of.
Life is an empty box the only thing in it are the things we put in it. The red pill is about taking control of your life, being the master of it instead of being a slave to it. Freedom is a huge responsibility. If your life is bleak it is your responsibility to find purpose and fulfillment. If their are toxic people in your life,cut them out, If your job is soul crushing,quit, if your free time actives don't make you joyous,stop doing them. the red pill is knowledge nothing more nothing less use it as you will.
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Well lot's of things I superficially enjoy. I guess I don't have much self-worth. That's probably the major culprit in my having this existential hole inside. Any ideas on how to improve that?
EleriumAvenger 10y ago
self worth comes from both internal and external views. mastery of skills will improve how you see yourself. Becoming important and irreplaceable to the people around you is how you build external self worth.
Become a renaissance man for no one but your self
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects". -Robert A. Heinlein
join groups and organizations, do charity work, do good in your community, work places, friend groups and family. being red pill is being an alpha. a true alpha is a leader and a doer. a man cant feel like a man unless he is needed.
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"Becoming important and irreplaceable to the people around you is how you build external self worth. "
I don't know why but this statement almost made me queasy.
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I've started this it definitely helps.
[deleted] 10y ago
Everyone plays games in love, but that doesn't mean that nobody actually loves. It's silly to think that love and affection are solely the result of each person trying to one up and take advantage of the other. There will always be variables in any social interaction regardless of how good your game is. It's these unknowns that are the really exciting parts.
You say it's like realizing there's no God, but for some people there absolutely is a God. It's silly to say that there's no point to social interaction just because there's no end goal. If you're really that apathetic towards relationships then you need more help than we can give you.
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I really am that apathetic towards relationships. But I think it must be hard not to be once you really understand this material. I don't think that makes me crazy, just honest.
Maybe reality is sad?
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Or then again maybe it's neutral and I'm just having a hard time accepting it.
footballtrav89 10y ago
I know what you mean OP. Give it some time...what you want will change. There is nothing wrong with wanting to opt out, it's all about doing what you want/will benefit you the most.
gosurobber 10y ago
OP, you are not alone.
Once, I wondered if there is every a woman whom I can shower with my affection. And after some pondering, no, we shall first and foremost shower our brothers and families with love.
And only if a woman proves her worthiness, then shall she receive my true affection.
But even so, knowing their fickle nature, it shall be short lived.