You're old, on the way out, spun plates your whole life. No LTR's, no kids, maybe some nieces, nephews, old friends when you need them but no substitute for family. Is that how a Redpill life plays out?
Edit: I'm 45. Divorced. 1 kid. "Monk mode", planning/redesigning the rest of my life. Yes I read the sidebar. I've acquired many RP ebooks. I'm TRYING to be Redpill, not a natural alpha, not trolling.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Life is a mediocre play with a bad ending in the 3rd act. The point is not to worry about where you are at the point of death, but to be happy with the way you lived your life.
Put another way, it's not to never take chances and arrive with a decent looking corpse, but to slide in brakes squealing, tires smoking and thinking "Damn, that was a helluva ride!"
If you want to have a family and kids, then have a family of kids. Just find a RP Woman to do it with, so you don't wind up divorce-raped and paying an ex-wife to fuck other guys and teach your kids to hate you.
The reality is, if you play your cards right, you should be able to pull quality women at any age. Stop worrying about end game, and make sure you're doing what you want, so you don't look back and say "I wish I had....[whatever you really wanted to do but didn't.]"
Tqbfjotlds 8y ago
For me it is to give back to society, either through teaching or by doing volunteer work.
fnordsnord 8y ago
[FR] I've been dead. Important point - while it is comforting to have people who care about you leading up to the end, at the very end, you become completely self-focused. They no longer matter.
In short - we all die alone.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8y ago
Shot to death by a jealous Beta at age 84?
More seriously, I think a lot of men will find that plate spinning becomes tiresome, and might find value in companionate love later in life.
crack_tobi 8y ago
Jealous at 84?
That would be a sight.
Turniman 8y ago
Spin plates
bsutansalt 8y ago
If you spent your 20s and 30s building your empire like you're supposed to, then this stuff takes care of itself.
One extreme example is Hugh Hefner. Dude is old as can be and he's still banging out HOT 20 & 30 somethings like nobody's business.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
Instructions for after retirement:
1: smoke weed
2: play video games
3: go fishing
thepillwastaken 8y ago
I play golf with some guys in their 50s and they are all very successful business owners who have been divorced. That have all told me that they "finally" found a real woman in their 50s that they really like. It's like a theme.
From my experience in seeing my parents, and others - your 50s are a golden time.
My point is this - take your time. Unless you want kids. And even then, take your time, because kids with the wrong woman are extremely expensive.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
That sounds like a bunch of male hamsters....unless the girls are all 22.
SheepKing 8y ago
Man, you can have a LTR while holding frame and being aware of trp ideology. Nothing is wrong with that.
redditarcm89 8y ago
After having established a community in which my children can thrive, and theirs too, I would enjoy my retirement. Spend some time teaching them, maintaining the community (through trade skills), exploring hobbies, and occasionally travelling to experience other parts of the world (possibly for the second or third time).
UnluckyPenguin 8y ago
Biologically, it is instilling redpill in your future children.
For me though, the end game for me is retiring early to get out of the rat-race of working. Travelling the world and enjoying life with the ones you love.
deptii 8y ago
Having a family doesn't guarantee that you won't be alone. All sorts of things can happen to prevent your family from being there with you in old age. In the end, most people die alone anyway, even if they have a family.
Additionally, there's options if you do want to go the family route but want to keep from getting screwed by the system. You can adopt children as a single Dad and you won't ever have to worry about your spouse taking them from you. You can get married/LTR when you're old and retired (less chance of divorce) if you want some permanent company.
More importantly though, what's wrong with being alone?
mr_one_liner 8y ago
We may like our alone time now, but when we are old, useless to everyone, and actively avoided because of how we remind everyone of their fate, alone time is all we will have, and we will crave for something, anything else.
Interversity 8y ago
That was a fantastically poetic post. Thank you.
masterrod 8y ago
You're asking the wrong questions..
If you were lead through your entire life to your purpose in life, and it ended up without a family, then you should be satisfied. Unless of you failed to fulfill your purpose.
If you have a family and it is in service of your purpose, you win. The problem is when your family alone is your purpose.
LeGrandDiableBlanc 8y ago
Whatever you want. There are no Red Pill designated paths to walk in life.
There is just information about how the world works for you to use however you decide.
What do you want out of life? That's the real question.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I'm a year older. Im building my life for me now, two grown daughters, and I enjoy fucking girls half my age. I have plans for my future, and they don't include some bitch living with me. They can come visit, get fucked, but they gotta go home after I'm done. There are no more kids in my future, I made sure of that.
My future is building cars, street rods, muscle cars, drag machines, corner varving auto cross rides that will spill gray matter out your ear in a turn. Making fuel for them is another part. Having fun with my Siberian Huskies and giving them a huge yard to play in. Traveling the world is on the list, I want to go back to Germany, roll through eastern Europe and bag more thin young sluts when I'm not doing more important shit.
I'm doing what the fuck I want, when I want, and no females will be telling me no. That shit never worked before, it's sure as hell not working now.
ErnaForPresident 8y ago
The end goal is different for everyone, what you have to ask yourself is "Did i live a happy life? Was there something i'd wish i would have done? Once those questions are answered, then you have perhaps reached the end goal
RPthrowaway123 8y ago
"with a belly full of wine and a maiden's mouth around my cock, at the age of eighty”
ThePedanticF0x 8y ago
Personally I would not get married, but that's my choice, I have gone over the statistics and probabilities. To sign a marriage certificate is to sign a legal document that transfers ownership of your male ability to the woman you marry, by male ability I mean the male capacity to acquire resources women can not such as protection, provision, labor, practical, logical and intellectual prowess, physical superiority and athletic ability, male authority and dominance, courage and competition, risk taking and most importantly commitment. You sign away all your power as a man and give it to the woman, and the woman gets a lawful guarantee that your male ability is now hers to control. What you get is the hope for sex and progeny, neither of which is guaranteed by social expectation or law, you have no rights as a husband at all. It doesn't pay to raise a family in a westernized country, not for a man anyway.
Should the woman decide to divorce you or you her, then you are liable for her standard of living until she marries again, if you discover that your kids are not yours you are liable, in some countries and american states if the woman can prove that you have in some vague way represented a father figure in a kids life for a few weeks regardless of your relationship with the kid or the mother you are liable, if you divorce with kids the mother gets custody by default regardless of her fitness as a parent and you are liable for all costs involved, if you choose to fight her in the biased family court system you are liable for all costs including her personal legal costs.
If you get married to any woman in this liberal day and age YOU WILLINGLY SCREW YOURSELF. There are thousands of putrid male corpses walking the streets, shadows of their former selves, they dreamed of ideological white picket fences, apple and kids. Their dreams were infiltrated and used as a means to fatten western civilization at the expense of these men, men who built, fought and bled for their countries.
Our western civilization is extremely hostile toward men, and that won't change in our lifetimes.
You are probably aware of what I've just been rambling incoherently about, you are well aware of the risks. The information available on the parent sub reddit is as amoral as a hammer, it is am empowering tool to be used which ever way you deem fit, the information is not there to tell you what you should do, or what is right or wrong, it is there to enlighten you. It is up to you to do what you feel is best for you.
drqxx 8y ago
I found my unicorn at 33. We will never married but we have kids and she's awesome at keeping my stomach full and my balls empty.
4benny2lava0 8y ago
Best thing I read all day.
Warrior666 8y ago
48, never married, no kids. Filling my life with music making (band & solo), writing books and doing whatever floats my boat. Guys much younger than me with families sometimes envy me for my freedom. I can do things they are never allowed to do. Sometimes, however, I look back at guys with families with envy, too. Is this it, I ask myself, when I'm gone, who will remember me?
I've been reading RP since it was new, and PU since before that. For a long, long time. I still suck at game, because I don't care enough anymore. Guess I got stuck in the anger phase long ago, never got out of it again.
EDIT: I often times ask myself the same question that you asked here. I have no answer.
yumyumgivemesome 8y ago
Thank you for an honest response.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
You'll be dead, and you won't give a shit.
Warrior666 8y ago
I know. I give a shit in the here-and-now, though. At least sometimes.
Sepean 8y ago
I'm married with kids and turned to red pill.
If I had to do my life over with TRP knowledge, I'd spin plates in my 20s, begin looking for a long term partner to have kids with in my 30s, and the most awesome girl I found I'd settle down with, have kids with and do the whole nuclear family thing over the next 20 years or so.
Who knows what happens after that. Love is a real feeling, after all. You can feel love for a woman and not go oneitis or put her on a piedestal. Right now, I have a sexy, kinky, fit wife; the upside from that to fucking a few younger plates isn't worth the great downside of my kids not being in my life every day and them growing up in a divorced family.
And not having kids at all, that's not who I am.
With TRP I would have had more fun in my younger years and my legal setup would have been different, but I think I'd still be pretty much where I am right now.
WesNg 8y ago
Would you have gotten married if you had TRP knowledge from the start?
Sepean 8y ago
I don't know. From a purely symbolic standpoint, I'd prefer not to, but iirc my options for avoiding "divorce rape" were better married with a prenup. I was filthy rich back when we married and got counselling to ensure a "fair" divorce settlement if it came to that; which was somewhat generous towards her, but not at a level where the cash requirements would could cripple my business.
I honestly think the marriage vs. LTR thing is a minor thing. Talk to a lawyer about it and let him decide. It should be evaluated on the legal and financial implications. Once you have kids you're attached to her at the hip anyway.
1NV0K3R 8y ago
The end game is whatever you want it to be. People here spout "don't get married" but there's a subtext behind that statement, "don't be BB" is pretty much what they are saying.
speed3_freak 8y ago
To me, don't get married is more of a, "don't ever sign the paper and get married in the eyes of the law" type deal. It's shitty for the guy, and the benefits don't outweigh the negatives. Why bring the government into your relationship? You can still have 100% of the relationship (even calling her your wife) without ever actually getting married.
dongpal 8y ago
just dont get married in america......
StrokeGameHusky 8y ago
Yes I fall into same mentality, but in reality I just don't want to get married, I should stop projecting my beliefs on TRP
dont be a BB
Bihron 8y ago
BB meaning?
redditarcm89 8y ago
"Beta Bux", meaning an effeminate man who is generally unsuccessful with women until in his 30s, when he marries a used up girl because she actually gives him the time of day, which she only does for financial security, having run out of options by riding the "cock carousel" and exploring her sexuality. These girls will generally have "low sex drive", but in reality they're just unattracted to their
bank accounthusband in comparison to the "alphas" she fucked in her 20s.Read the sidebar on TRP before posting.
Solitary_Wolf 8y ago
could you elaborate on this please?
Sepean 8y ago
You know, a father, a mother, raising their children together in a stable home. I want to be there for my children, to see them and to influence them daily, I want them to have a male role model that truly loves them, and I want them to be happy. Divorce, single parenting, that won't give them that.
Getting together, having children and raising them, that's a 20 year project, minimum. And a shitload of work and frustration, especially the first 5 years. But the highs are amazing. When my son got the ippon (winning throw) at a judo tournament that won him his first medal I felt pride like never before. One of the best days of my life was taking my kids to Disneyland, a full day of them being so exciting and amazed and happy just gets to you. I'm a tough, stoic guy but I get misty writing this. When I go to bed at night and check in on them and see them sleeping peacefully, that makes me happier than most things.
Maybe it sounds corny to those of you who are young, but kids really do tap into our deepest emotions. And they keep on giving, when I look at my parents, how much they still get from us and now they have grandchildren too, their lives wouldn't be nearly as happy if they just had friends.
At some point in your life, settle down and have kids, and do it right. That's my take on it. Wait until you're older and fuck a lot of girls first, though.
Solitary_Wolf 8y ago
youre probably old enough to be my dad, but yes i do understand those kind of altruistic emotions youre talking about.
despite TRPs aversion to marriage, i would like to start a family when im older however the biggest struggle from my eyes is finding an attractive red pill woman.
Sepean 8y ago
I'm 38.
You got plenty of time to find a girl. You could wait until my age as long as you can pull girls in their 20s.
Get a girl who takes care of her looks, is pleasant company, and has good self discipline and can delay gratification. If you bring the alpha and is a good captain, you'll do fine. But don't skip on those qualifications.
Solitary_Wolf 8y ago
over the past couple years ive found a number of girls that tick those boxes but when you get to know them, you find out theyre a diehard feminist.
intelcorei5 8y ago
Sylvester Stallone is 70 this year. He is still in great shape and might be fucking 20-year-olds. Certainly 40-year-olds.
Silvio Berlusconi is 78 and still spinning 20-40-yearold plates.
Anyhow, the goal is not to get married. Not to not have kids. If you can find a woman or 5 to have your kids without marriage (yes, you should raise them, or they'll be brought up by a single mother, which is not good for the kids), that's the goal.
Look up Erikson's psychosocial stages. You are biologically built to be worrying about this stuff and trying to do what you should evolutionarily be doing. Most people are following their biological roles. You don't have to let your subconscious drives control you. You can choose what to do.
RidleySmith 8y ago
no, dickhead. Read the sidebar.
3rt41 8y ago
Why the hate? You sound like a cunt.
RidleySmith 8y ago
OP would not even have bothered to read the sidebar if he thinks no one who gets the red pill will have LTRs or children. And in addition... He's not asking a question, just being probably a dickhead troll
StrokeGameHusky 8y ago
Doesn't strike me as a troll, he's obviously just a young kid, cut him some slack.
reddit-junkie 8y ago
LOL. 45. Divorced. 1 kid. "Monk mode", just edited my post.
StrokeGameHusky 8y ago
Haaha I was just reading another post from a 19 yr old kid, got the two mixed up
reddit-junkie 8y ago
Well if he's thinking that far ahead, that's awesome. I'm behind the eightball but not worried.