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Yeah, its me. The "bitch", "faggot", "cuckold" and several other colorful names that many of you have p.m. me since my last update in r/relationships.

I guess somehow my story resonated with you guys as I have been sent this link about 190 times.

Look I had no idea what the hell the red pill is or was but honestly some of the vile stuff spewed my way since my post from some of you is unbelievable.

I'm fair game. I get it, I put the post out there and I have thick enough skin to not get offended by ideas or words. Hell some of the stuff you guys have said privately to me and a few that made to the main relationship thread made sense to me and I get why some of you guys were upset.

But telling me that you hope my g/f is raped again while I have to watch is not okay. Now those people may or may not have been members of this community but they sure as hell sent me the links. Like I said, call me whatever you want but seriously is advocating the rape of a woman what you guys stand for? I sure as hell hope not.

Reading some of the articles on the sidebar of your main page has provided me some decent info. I can't say I agree with everything but I certainly think I could benefit from looking at things from a different point of view.

So here is the question part of my post for you.

How do I take back control of my part in her life? I will freely admit that I fucked up big time when this all went down. I felt helpless and hopeless and all I wanted to do was help her and do what it was everybody was telling me to do.

It was a mistake. I should have been more assertive and taken a firm lead in helping her through this. I abdicated my spot as the man in her life even though I thought I was doing the right thing by her.

Please spare me the "dump the bitch" or "lose the hoe" posts. This is my choice and I'm right now choosing to take back what was my place in her life. If it blows up in my face then its on me, I am going into this with my eyes wide open.

P.S. Also since I know that one of the things that sticks in everyone's craw is the cheating (believe me I hate it as well) I can say this. There is a new development on that front. I am going with her again to her therapist on Friday for more info. I'll just say it now. If it was ongoing or more than one, I'm out. No questions asked. I don't give two shits what either sister has to say about it.

Bash away.

Edit: Guys I have been reading and watching video's for hours now. I would like to express to /u/OmLala gratitude for directing me to his article about defeating the enemy mindset. I shared with him why that really hit me hard and this was well before she was attacked.

As to hiding the fact that I was here because they will know it due to my history, I don't really care. From what I've read and seen the reality is that the vast majority of what this is about is self improvement. Sure there is some "women are the enemy" vibes I get, but I honestly think at the core this is about being a better man.

I've really seen some grievous errors I've made in the aftermath of this. I've just got some thinking I need to do.

[-] MoreDetermined 222 Points 2 years ago

Alright dude, first off, welcome. The idiots who messaged you either have no fucking idea on how to behave themselves or are just plain stupid. Pretty much the highest rule of trp is to keep your knowledge to yourself, to stay the fuck out of other subreddits and to never preach trp in public.

Either way, you seem to be open to criticism, otherwise you wouldn't be here. Let me tell you one thing though: Not a single person in this subreddit will ever tell you to get back with your gf. No sane man would do that and the fact that you still want to stay with her after everything that happened shows me that you still are a beta bitch and you have some big time oneitis. (No offense, that's just how it is).

No idea why you feel like you should stay with her, but trust me, you should not. There are millions of other girls out there who might be worth your time. She has proven that she is not one of them.

Also: Therapists won't help. If I remember correctly your therapist saw it as a success that your gf banged that other dude, didn't she? Well, that tells you everything you need to know about therapists.

If you want some other advice than that, you are not ready for trp yet. Nobody here will ever tell you something else other than to dump her.

[-] badbfriend 59 Points 2 years ago

As to the therapist, it's not my therapist. I don't have one. It is her therapist and I've been asked to come in. I've agreed to it because I want this new info.

It may be the kick in the ass I need but who knows.

Fair enough about the dumping her part.

Oneitis is a fair statement. Beta bitch is probably accurate as well if I understand the concept.

Honest question here though, how the fuck does one get rid of being a beta when your entire life you have been brought up that way?

[-] MoreDetermined 120 Points 2 years ago

Dude, we all were. This subreddit is full of people who used to be just as fucked up as you are. Read the side bar in /r/theredpill, then read it again.

Start changing your life and keep improving. And for your own sake, cut all contact with that bitch immediately.

[-] bsutansalt 13 Points 2 years ago

For those new, here's a guided tour of TRP's sidebar I wrote to help smooth things along:


[-] Schrodingersdawg 10 Points 2 years ago

Self improvement is simple. Women have that dumb "eat pray love" shite that doesn't really work, but for OP?

Eat. Whey. Lift.

[-] NiceTryDisaster 16 Points 2 years ago

Eat. Read. Lift


[-] MoreDetermined 5 Points 2 years ago

Eat clen and tren hard :D

[-] AndrewAtrus 2 Points 2 years ago

Anavar give up

[-] Bewboi 72 Points 2 years ago

Dude, this is a girl who cheated on you, lied to you, and manipulated you. It's never too late for you to take control of your life and become the best version of you. You've invested a lot of time and energy into this girl which is probably why you feel like you should stay, but there are literally millions of other girls who you could be chasing.

Incidentally, you've just stumbled on a community of over a HUNDRED THOUSAND men who want to share techniques for success and self-fulfilment.

Dump her and don't look back. You only have to be brave for 2 seconds, the rest will fall into place.

[-] Hippostalker 27 Points 2 years ago

This. OP, forget about the time you invested in her, forget about her problems, forget about what OTHERS think of you - it truly doesn't matter.

Look deep inside you and look what you want and what you don't want for yourself. You are #1. Her problems do not matter and should not matter in your decision on what is best for you.

[-] BhiQ 49 Points 2 years ago

That is exactly what TRP is trying to figure out. Many of us had absent or beta dads, almost everyone had mostly female teachers in elementary school, etc ...

Deconditioning is a difficult process and it usually starts with a (figurative) slap in the face. In your case the slap in your face was the whole story with your girlfriend. Things that kill your faith in the feminist narrative that you have been brought up with, which tells you that women are infallible, kind and loyal fae-like creature.

Most people recommend reading the sidebar and I agree there are a few good posts ( this for example) but personally I'd read the posts that /u/Whisper makes.

The problem with TRP is that it has to try to wake people up. You dont wake people up by calmly talking to them, you have to shout. This does however also attract some people who are just genuine assholes and/or neckbeards who are probably the ones who messaged you.

[-] badbfriend 71 Points 2 years ago

Fuck me if that long ass blog by reformed Incel didn't hit home.

[-] rpkarma 61 Points 2 years ago

Welcome. Ignore the idiots who sent you nasty shit, they have not actually swallowed the red pill yet. The fact you're here and reading is impressive, keep going and expand your mind. You'll see it all click into place soon enough, and the world will start to make sense like it never has before.

[-] mahlzeit 26 Points 2 years ago

and the world will start to make sense like it never has before.

OP: you have no idea how true that is. Also, you have no idea how far the rabbit hole goes ...

[-] IVIaskerade 15 Points 2 years ago

you have no idea how far the rabbit hole goes ...

Fuck, I have no idea how far the rabbit hole goes. I'm pretty far down, and it just keeps going and going. It's pretty insane when you stop and think about it.

[-] redpillschool 16 Points 2 years ago

Please do take some time to read the side bar on /r/theredpill.

Some articles of special importance (Aside from the reformed incel) :

Everything under "New Here?"


Women in Love

Men in Love

Of Love and War

Schedules of Mating

[-] bsutansalt 6 Points 2 years ago

For those new, here's a guided tour of TRP's sidebar I wrote to help smooth things along:


[-] BhiQ 15 Points 2 years ago

"Michael's story" is also pretty good.

[-] NeverQuit69ing 1 Point 2 years ago

Fucking stellar

[-] CrimsonCapn 11 Points 2 years ago

Please keep reading. I know you feel like your story is unique because you are in the center of it. But it isn't. This sort of thing has happened to countless men before and it will continue to happen as long as we believe the feminist narrative that "women are pure and can do no wrong and should not be held responsible for their actions, sexually or otherwise."

Listen to this statement. "It's OK for me to physically assault someone because my father beat me when I was a child. Violence against others is a way for me to take my power back!"

That statement is ridiculous. Just because someone hurt you, you can't just go around hurting others. But your GF's therapist is telling her

"Because you were raped, it's ok for you to cheat on /u/badbfriend. Sexual promiscuity and disregarding your SOs feelings is a way for you to take your power back!"

Are you fucking kidding me? She gets to be absolved of all sexual responsibility because she was raped? Am I absolved of all financial responsibility if someone steals money from me? No I'm not. That's absolute horse shit.

Read more from the redpill sidebar. As you read, things that never made sense before will start to click in your head, just as it did when you read the reformed incel blog post. You have to trust your gut. Just like you knew something wasn't right in river city when your (hopefully soon to be ex) girlfriend was cheating, your gut will tell you when you hear the truth. You will have so many Ah Ha moments. Because it's blatantly obvious when you remove the blue pill shroud from your eyes.

Please. Keep reading.

[-] marxistbacon 10 Points 2 years ago

Just read it too, and it resonated with me as well. There are a lot of men out there with experiences similar to his. One book you might want to read that will probably resonate as well is "No More Mr Nice Guy" by Dan Glover. Well respected mainstream psychologist, covers a portion of the same ground as TRP does so you know we're not all a bunch of bitter nut-jobs. Also, for help in getting your balls back in general, the book "When I say No I feel guilty" by M Smith is terrific. Good luck man, and despite the loudmouths you may have encountered, as Men we're really rooting for you.

[-] yumyumgivemesome 7 Points 2 years ago

Audio of the book No More Mr. Nice Guy -- This will probably resonate as well.

[-] SupermanSpankedLois 6 Points 2 years ago

This, too:

[-] bsutansalt 1 Point 2 years ago

Thank you! I'll be checking that out later on the commute home. I have been putting this off for far to long.

[-] Anon_Dutch 5 Points 2 years ago

Kudos for coming here. Apologies on behalf of the idiots who bashed you. I'm glad you read the blog by reformed incel, it's powerfully convincing, isn't it? I hope (for your sake) that you continue to swallow the RedPill. Again, kudos on the steps you've taken.

[-] Oh_FuFu 2 Points 2 years ago

Hey man I've gone through some shit myself. Keep your head up. The first step to becoming the man you need to be for yourself in order to be the man people need you to be for them is by changing what's on the inside. For as the outward reality is an expression of the inward reality.

I used to be beta, found trp, became more of a man in all aspects in life, heck trp even made me closer to God in ways. Good luck and welcome.

Btw there are 5 phases of TRP, Google it "5 phases of the red pill" it should show first as a reddit link.

[-] AFPJ 36 Points 2 years ago

OP, can't second what /u/MoreDetermined said enough. Our subscribers messaging you anything is inappropriate.

We're not exactly popular but we don't tolerate degenerate shit like that. Our main sub has grown quickly, making it difficult to maintain meaningful quality controls (there is no shortage of posts telling noobs to not post/brigade shit).

spare me the "dump the bitch" or "lose the hoe" posts. This is my choice and I'm right now choosing to take back what was my place in her life. If it blows up in my face then its on me

Speaking of things being worthwhile to you... with the above quote in mind, you will not get much useful advice. If that is your stance on it, pursue it without asking for advice on doing something against everything we suggest.

To give you an idea of just how ridiculous it is, here's actually my (only) comment on your very own thread

She is a string, yourself the weaver & time the irreversible winder of yarn.

The string is only as strong as its weakest point. In your case, the string broke and that broken section has long been wound onto the spool; the ends will remain separate regardless of how strong you can learn to weave it going forward

If someone told you that you'd get $10B USD for writing a 50 million digit number with "5" as its 43,851th digit & you accidentally wrote a "7" instead, would you keep writing the rest hoping you get the money? That's what you're doing.

[-] bsutansalt 5 Points 2 years ago

Messaging him advice is perfectly fine. Being a dick about it is not.

[-] AFPJ 2 Points 2 years ago

You're a mod on the main sub, my understanding was commenting in linked threads was prohibited to keep us in check with regard to brigading rules? I would've guessed that reaching out to people in linked threads also applies

[-] bsutansalt 1 Point 2 years ago

I messaged him before it got TRP.

[-] iiMSouperman 17 Points 2 years ago

Honest question here though, how the fuck does one get rid of being a beta when your entire life you have been brought up that way?

Good question - it's a pretty long and "hard" road to travel down, but the sidebar in TRP has some amazing reads. I suggest you start there.

Sorry for the messages you received, but you have to realise there are literally MILLIONS of women out there that may very well be worth your time. As they say, variety is the spice of life.

A lot of TRP newcomers go through an "anger phase" - fury that others haven't "seen the light" if you will, this is probably what you've experienced via messages. Don't read too much into it, after all they are just strangers on the internet. You seem open to criticism, and after your first big post you seemed like you had this all under control. Give the sidebar a go and you'll learn a lot.

[-] MMABouncer 7 Points 2 years ago

OP acknowledges that he has no idea if the ppl that sent him the link were even RP. I'd venture it's a safer bet that they were BP, and were just trying to 'stir the pot'.

[-] iiMSouperman 6 Points 2 years ago

Valid assumption, there are still a lot of angry users in TRP though - a vocal minority, if you will.

[-] CarpeDiem807 14 Points 2 years ago

choosing to take back what was my place in her life.

Red Pill advocates adopting an opposite perspective of this. Instead of working to be in her life, you resolve to make your own life whole, while leaving the door open for her to become part of yours. It's about control. You have none right now. You have oneitis and it has warped your sense of self.

[-] bsutansalt 3 Points 2 years ago

♂ This is pretty much the most succinct and accurate summation of his situation I've seen to date.

[-] Aerobus 1 Point 2 years ago

Point added.

[-] Bastard101 11 Points 2 years ago

Go to theredpill main sub. Read sidebar. Lift weights, get hobbies, dump gf, be outgoing. There's more detailed things on the main sub

[-] arnieschwarz 10 Points 2 years ago

And look into the sunk cost fallacy. It applies here as well.

[-] bsutansalt 1 Point 2 years ago

A ton of relationships fall victim to that. I know mine have in the past and it sucks, but all we can do is learn from it and not make the same mistakes.

[-] YourShadowScholar 0 Points 2 years ago

I don't see how the sunk cost fallacy possibly applies to relationships. It's easy to see how it applies in more classical economic situations, but for it to make any sense in relationships, you have to assume that relationships are static relative to themselves. That seems false to me.

The OP's case could be a perfect example. It's true that if things stayed exactly the same, i.e. no sex, continued cheating, etc... it would be insane to stay in the relationship based on the fact that "I've already spent x years in this relationship!", and that would be the sunk cost fallacy applying I guess.

But if things change, then it doesn't apply. If the sex resumes, if the cheating is out, everything returns to better than before because going through all of this trauma together creates a super strong bond...then the sunk cost fallacy doesn't apply. It becomes massively better to remain in the relationship. The odds of finding such a perfect pairing, and intense bond with another fresh new person is extremely low, no matter how many millions of other possible people you might be able to fuck are in the world.

It would be like if in the example of the French and British governments investing into the Concorde, suddenly a massive demand was created by, say, a war where the Concorde suddenly needed to be utilized by, say, China and it was going to become insanely profitable. Suddenly the sunk cost fallacy would not be a reason to stop investing in the Concorde.

Rationally, you need to put a time limit on these things, but if you see signs of change, the sunk cost fallacy can easily come to not apply. It's a weirdly fluid type of fallacy.

[-] RemyPrice 1 Point 2 years ago

That was an insanely unhelpful wall of text.

[-] YourShadowScholar 1 Point 2 years ago

Then you're retarded. Sorry you had to find out this way.

[-] RemyPrice 1 Point 2 years ago

Your text:

Sunk cost fallacy doesn't work here. Except maybe it does, I guess.

Here's some abstract example that demonstrates I'm smart.

Oh, what was the point I was trying to make?

[-] YourShadowScholar 1 Point 2 years ago

Holy shit, you are literally brain damaged lol

[-] RemyPrice 1 Point 2 years ago

Coming from someone with a degree is philosophy, I won't take that personally.

[-] CisWhiteMaelstrom 8 Points 2 years ago

Dude, she's showing infidelity, psychological issues, and has did all this in a cold calculated way. Please don't marry her. She won't respect you. No woman can respect a man who puts up with cheating. The problem's only going to get worse. You seem like a good guy and you'll attract another chick. Your journey is only just beginning. Don't sign an irreversible contract and shack up to someone who's already wronged you. You have so much to lose and all you have to gain is a relationship with a cheater who's got issues. Your sister will stop shaming you but she won't respect you for doing what she says. Succumbing to shaming tactics will never get a man into a better position in life.

[-] Dark_Shroud 7 Points 2 years ago

IF that's the same therapist who said it was good that she cheated on you then it's not worth your time or money.

This person doesn't care about your relationship or you as a person.

If you still want to be with this woman after she cheated then at least get your finances in order. Lock down your savings and retirement so they can't magically be drained one day.

Do not put her name on that stuff. If you get married then only add has as a beneficiary in case you pass away.

If you buy a house put it in a trust so you control vs some divorce court judge.

[-] SinisterSwindler 3 Points 2 years ago

I'm really starting to think that therapists are in on the feminist imperative jig too, for financial reasons of course. How can a therapist make money if his/her advice is solving problems? Women do spend more than men. The rabbit hole gets deeper.

[-] Dark_Shroud 0 Points 2 years ago

Like the rest of us some are some aren't. I would always be weary of who recommends a therapist to whom.

I've seen more than a few stories where the women later admitted they picked a therapist that would be on their side.

[-] ManonIsland 2 Points 2 years ago

Honest question here though, how the fuck does one get rid of being a beta when your entire life you have been brought up that way

That is the questioned first pondered by most people here. From my browsing, there are 2 TRPers....natural alphas who lost their way and lifelong betas waking up. I think there seems to be a higher proportion of the latter category lately, so you are in good company.

[-] favours_of_the_moon 2 Points 2 years ago

I'd confront the therapist. Tell her your feelings. This didn't happen because of "the rape."

This happened, because you tried to be sensitive and support her afterward, and she was unable to respect you for doing so. Now everyone is attempting to intimidate you into being a bitch.

[-] redpillschool 11 Points 2 years ago

There's no real benefit to confronting the therapist.

The fact is, he's in a no-win situation where everybody is against him. If he says anything to the therapist, the family will gang up on him and act like he's out of line.

The only solution is to cut all ties to this scenario and make a new life.

[-] favours_of_the_moon 1 Point 2 years ago

Agreed, they're bullying him.

That's why he needs to man up. Confronting the lying whore of a shrink would be cathartic, and who knows? Maybe the shrink would even be competent and not join in on the bullying. Granted it's a long shot, but it's possible.

All those people should suck this dude's dick.

[-] YourShadowScholar 2 Points 2 years ago

I agree, the confrontation would be cathartic. He should destroy this bitch. She seems like a complete fraud to me.

[-] favours_of_the_moon 1 Point 2 years ago

Confront her on using her practice as a ruse with which to promote her social engineering agenda to the detriment of her patients, then report her to whatever licensing agency has tolerated her until now.

I mean let's face it, this dude is the only one who really cared about this fucking girl. And look what happened.

[-] YourShadowScholar 2 Points 2 years ago

I know. It seems like there should be some agency to report this therapist to.

[-] favours_of_the_moon 1 Point 2 years ago

A therapist will have to be licensed.

[-] YourShadowScholar 1 Point 2 years ago

By whom?

[-] GunsGermsAndSteel 2 Points 2 years ago

Honestly I don't give two shits if you stay with her or not. But I wouldn't, because I respect myself and put myself first.

Okay, you wanna stay with her? Just keep coddling her and telling her that nothing is her fault. Show her unconditional love. Maybe you can hold that other dude's balls out of the way while he's fucking her.

The alternative is to get rid of her, lift weights, eat good, fuck a lot of women, do things you enjoy and have a great life.

But you made it clear you're not interested in hearing any narrative that doesn't involve further service to your Queen. So I say, carry on.

[-] rokr1292 2 Points 2 years ago

Next the girl who gave you oneitis, hit the gym, and invest in you. That's always the start.

[-] SexistFlyingPig 2 Points 2 years ago

Many men, when they first swallow the red pill, go into monk mode. You need some time to yourself to think through things. One good place to do this is the gym. Every time you would have spent time on your GF, instead go to the gym and lift. Stronglifts 5x5 is a good place to start.

The red pill isn't about being a pick up artist, it's about bettering yourself to make your life better.

[-] slater2j 1 Point 2 years ago

Every single one of us came here in more or less the same situation that you come to us now. Hurt, angry, upset in that every lesson the world has taught you was wrong. Check out my post history. I was you, and I'm still recovering years later, but these have been the best years of my life...

[-] pennypuptech 1 Point 2 years ago

Patience, hard work but most importantly self respect. If you don't respect your mind and body how do you expect someone else to?

[-] pheluhnee 1 Point 2 years ago

Honest question here though, how the fuck does one get rid of being a beta when your entire life you have been brought up that way?

Welcome aboard big homie. TRP community is about the most loving group of males around. We want you to succeed. Honestly, we need you to succeed, because without TRP successes, there is no TRP, and a lot of us feel like TRP is a big part of who we are.

All of us have been brought up "that" way. The ones who haven't aren't here, and would probably think we're weird.

Assuming your story isn't a huge troll, (congrats if it is), the first step probably isn't to just discard your entire life and start over. Read the post about your story in the main TRP forum and watch your life with their criticisms in mind.

[-] teeelo 1 Point 2 years ago

Holy hell. I am so happy to hear that you've found this sub and are thinking analytically and putting yourself first.

Sorry about all the asshats that cursed you out.

You are worth so much more than how you are being treated.

[-] steelsoldat 1 Point 2 years ago

For me it's still a fight, but it's a good one that's led me to be in control of my life.

For instance got rid of my depression without meds, but some days I still get stuck in the shitter mindset until I drag myself outside. Start with baby steps if need be, but (because I'm glad you came for help) I'll be impressed if you keep going.

[-] Trust_One 1 Point 2 years ago

Every single person probably came here a beta. It's an ongoing process to better yourself. You came to the right place if you have that question

[-] smajorp 1 Point 2 years ago

Hey man, I really recommend reading "No More Mr Nice Guy." Contrary to the title, it's not about being an asshole. It's about understanding your psychological upbringing and learning how to stop bending over for people.

[-] TRP7203 1 Point 2 years ago

That last part is funny not because it's a stupid thing to say, I'm not mocking you. It's funny because this is the whole reason this place exists. Everyone here is here to change, grow, and improve. Some start further back and have more work but everyone is in the same boat nonetheless. If you want to stop being beta, read the shit out of the top posts. Internalise it, understand it, become it. Now this is not to say that everything written here is law, that's the beauty of this place, you can pick and choose what you want to take on board and what not to. Some people have no problem breaking traditional moral codes to achieve what they want whilst others like to go through life doing the right thing. It is simply a meeting place for men looking to improve themselves to share their two cents with other constructive men. I would have probably acted the same way you have a few years back, thankfully I had my moment of epiphany, hopefully you will too.

[-] nicethingyoucanthave 35 Points 2 years ago

No idea why you feel like you should stay with her

(1) Because his brain is flooded with oxytocin.

(2) Because (as someone below mentioned) the sunk-cost fallacy.

(3) Because he has a very real fear that he'll never get another girl like her again.

No offense, that's just how it is

Straight talk and uncomfortable truths are the only thing that might possibly help him right now. When he says, "I'm right now choosing to take back what was my place in her life" it's clear he hasn't accepted reality. If his relationship was the Titanic, that sentence is like him saying, "I'm choosing to stay afloat." He needs to hear that you can't just decide something like that.

...or maybe I'm a cynical asshole. It's his life. I wish him luck. But I don't think he's on a path to achieve it.

[-] Diarrhea_Van_Frank 1 Point 2 years ago

That's a spot on analogy.

[-] tuxedoburrito 1 Point 2 years ago

This is well put.

OP, honestly, think about it. The only time she has shown a real effort in your life recently is when she thought she would lose you. For a year she drug you along while she fucked CHAD and then you play Benny blue pill until you've had enough. Then she comes back with her family trying not to lose you.

You know the rest of your life is going to be like this, right?

We're probably the only men who will tell you the truth. You need to move on. What gain do we have from telling you that? It in no way benefits me to say that, except to help a fellow man out. You came here looking for some advice and truth and that's it, man. Step one, there is no "one." Go into monk mode and find your balls again. we want you to. We want you to be a man.

[-] DumpyLips 2 Points 2 years ago

Also: Therapists won't help. If I remember correctly your therapist saw it as a success that your gf banged that other dude, didn't she? Well, that tells you everything you need to know about therapists.


[-] RealRational 2 Points 2 years ago

I can never read that word as anything other than "the rapists" now.

[-] LukeMooney 0 Points 2 years ago


[-] redpillschool 159 Points 2 years ago

TRP Mod here. Please PM me any usernames and the body of the messages you were sent and I'll be happy to take moderator action. Anybody contacting you, especially harassment, is strictly against our rules and they will be dealt with.

[-] StrokeGameHusky 38 Points 2 years ago

Yes. We don't need more anger stage betas making TRP look like assholes. Get them all banned.

[-] tuxedoburrito 3 Points 2 years ago

You were in the anger stage once too bro. I think I'm still there, but I don't do posts. I'm coming out of the anger stage, but we all need some grace there. The rape comment is highly inappropriate.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was a white knight trying to make us look bad as posing as one of us. I can't imagine a RP Doing that. Don't we have better things to do than send those posts? Like go lift or read a book.

[-] StrokeGameHusky 4 Points 2 years ago

Agreed. I once was anger stage, but at the same time this sub preaches holding Frame. If you are angry as hell and hate every women in the world, keep it to yourself.

It does not benefit you for women to see/know you are angry.

This sub also preaches, to a lesser degree, to also keep your opinions to yourself. Women do not think rationally, so if you share your opinion, it may not be as well received by someone who doesn't share the same ideologies as you. May start an argument. "Better to remain silent and be thought an idiot, than speak and remove all doubt" (paraphrased)

It does not benefit you to share you opinions/argue with women.

It may very well have been someone who is trolling TRP, but the anger stage is a very real thing. Anger and emotion do not benefit you when you display them. Anger is a very useful tool for self motivation, but keep it inside. The harassment was most likely by one of the newer anger stage lurkers who haven't fully grasped our concepts/side bar. Now we have to damage control.

[-] D_Man_Loves_You 1 Point 2 years ago

"anger-stage-beta"! hahahaha. Oh man, so true.

[-] dragontx 34 Points 2 years ago

Thank you. OP should also delete this post because everybody, especially her family, knows his user name. It will not help his case if they see he posted here.

[-] Trust_One 26 Points 2 years ago

This x1000

/u/badbfriend, delete this post and make another username to come here on. A lot of women like to hold onto the idea that they're special snowflakes so they don't like us much.

[-] The-Ban-Hammer 17 Points 2 years ago

Seriously, what true RP person would tell this guy they hope his girlfriend (or whatever she is now) gets raped again and he has to watch? Anybody telling him that has not been enlightened, but is still on the incorrect path.

[-] omgimbackagain 8 Points 2 years ago

Im confident you will find it is trolls trying to smear the red pill and not actual red pill users.

[-] abcd_z 2 Points 2 years ago

Harassment is obviously not okay, but is there any specific written rule about not contacting other posters? I looked and couldn't find anything on the subject in the existing rules.

[-] redpillschool 13 Points 2 years ago

I don't believe it's against reddit's rules, but as a subreddit we have a strict rule against following links and brigading. That includes contacting OP.

[-] bsutansalt 4 Points 2 years ago

To be fair, many people contacted him, myself included, well before it popped up on TRPs radar. This is one of those grey areas that gets...complicated.

[-] redpillschool 2 Points 2 years ago

The bans would only apply to people harassing him.

[-] bsutansalt 3 Points 2 years ago

I'm still waiting for him to send us a link to the screenshot of the harassing messages he got.

[-] redpillschool 12 Points 2 years ago

I haven't seen any. In fact, every time this comes up I ask for images and text so I can take appropriate action, and my request has never once been fulfilled.

I suspect this sort of trolling is to rally the masses.

[-] Squeezymypenisy 3 Points 2 years ago

Can you just delete his post? That would stop everything entirely. He isn't going to listen to anything anyone says. I wouldn't doubt the people sending the messages were not from this community.

[-] ScottRikkard 3 Points 2 years ago

It's okay to contact via private message and politely offer some insight. Man posted on reddit, he asked for help. But that's about it. It should be done classy, not with rape threats.

[-] abcd_z -1 Point 2 years ago

It's not mentioned anywhere in the sidebar links. You could say that it falls under the "common sense" clause, but my response would be that it doesn't seem wrong to contact somebody who could use TRP.

Also, you have a duplicate entry in the sidebar. Not sure if that was intentional or not.

[-] redpillschool 3 Points 2 years ago

It's not wrong to contact somebody, but when a post is featured on TRP, it's a good idea not to because the volume of contacts is going to be much higher.

[-] abcd_z 1 Point 2 years ago

I agree, but there's a difference between "a good idea" and "a strict rule". If you're going to ban somebody for making contact, it should probably be explicitly stated in the rules first.

Bear in mind I'm only referring to the people who weren't attacking OP. The people who were attacking OP get no sympathy from me.

[-] redpillschool 3 Points 2 years ago

I didn't say I'd ban everybody, but I do want to see if anybody harassed him and take action. Others will just get a warning not to do that.

[-] Archwinger 74 Points 2 years ago

There are 3.5 billion women on Earth. This one particular woman you're with is not special. She's just the only woman giving you anything close to a chance. She's actually worse than most other women. Not only is she a cheater. She's damaged.

Her rape isn't your fault, and it isn't your problem. You shouldn't have to deal with this. You're not married. You have every right to find a non-damaged woman who isn't a cheater and be happy.

You're sticking with this one, non-special, inferior woman for two reasons. Sunk cost - you don't want to lose all that you've invested in her so far. And lack of options - you don't think you'll find anyone else or do any better.

In this case, no woman would be better than this damaged one. But you have the potential to improve yourself and be happy if you own your shit, right now, and start doing the work.

[-] Lipophobicity 35 Points 2 years ago

Screenshot the PM's you were sent. Post a pic with the names blacked out here, and without the names blacked out to the mods here and the main TRP subreddit.

I've seen too much made up stuff about TRP to blindly take your word for it.

[-] yumyumgivemesome 3 Points 2 years ago

Exactly. The mods will take action against this kind of crap if it is actually occurring. Despite the numerous demands that TRP makes against brigading, our livelihood is at stake.

[-] caputpill 27 Points 2 years ago

Thank you for actually taking the time to read and understand the redpill before disregarding it - You will be glad you did so later.

I have a question for you on an area that I hope you will ponder further about - you wrote:

I am going with her again to her therapist on Friday for more info. I'll just say it now. If it was ongoing or more than one, I'm out. No questions asked. I don't give two shits what either sister has to say about it.

I want you to think about what reasons you have to accept a one-time affair but not a continuous one. From my point of view there are no differences what so ever and if you can see that aswell then you will se that not staying together with her is the right choice.

If you want to elaborate on why you believe there is a difference I would like to discuss this with you.

I ask you this question because there is no logic to your reasoning. I believe it is part of your internal 'hamster'(research this word if you don't know the meaning) trying to cope with the pressure you feel all around you to stay with her. If you actually had the balls to drop out and don't give to shits about the peer pressure, then you would have done it already.

But you don't because you arn't a well developed man with clear boundaries and your own agenda(alpha) so instead your hamster makes you think that:

Atleast it didn't happen more than once, it was just a one time thing and it didn't mean anything.. if it only happened once then I can get through this.

When you learn she has done it more than once I believe your hamster will develop new ways to cope, making you think thoughts like:

Okay, it happened more than once. But atleast she didn't swallow his cum and lick it of her fingers or do that special thing we always do afterwards or call him our honeyboney like she calls me

Then you will learn that she has done that as well and your hamster will develop - until one of two things happen:

  1. You will feel hopeless and trapped in your life. Not happy and without a vision for a better future. Many people have been there and that is the reason why suicide rates for men is trippled compared to women - because no one comes to help you and takes your side. The sisters is a great example of how they value a cheating woman above a man and even a therapist will tell you to stay with such in such a toxic enviroment as a cheating girlfriend is.

  2. You will feel hopeless and trapped in your life. Not happy and without a vision for a better future. She will cheat on you again and eventually leave you - there may or may not be kids. They might be yours, but unlikely - you will drift again, being single you lapse on to another, more vile women and continue the cycle.

Or you can take control of your life now and accept the truths that the redpill offers. Start respecting yourself and have boundaries for how other people use you, build yourself both physically, mentally and professionally and accept that you, and only you can make you happy.

I hope you will respond to this - I would like to hear your(or anyones) thoughts about my post. I truly wish you the best.

This is my choice and I'm right now choosing to take back what was my place in her life. If it blows up in my face then its on me, I am going into this with my eyes wide open.

I don't have any advice for you on how to keep your girlfriend and be happy at the same time. I don't have any of those because I don't see it as a possibility. When it blows up I hope you will remember us here - the kind spirits that tried to help you - and return to us. Don't listen to the insults and see through the harsh tone about women in here. Most people are still in the anger phase and needs a place to vent.(many have been through similiar situations) But it doesn't affect the theories credibilities, only your view of them.

[-] BigBrother14 25 Points 2 years ago

Get the fuck out, is this real life? Now everyone that is stalking his user profile for updates are going to see he posted here.

Either we're going to see gigantic backlash at him, or people following his progress (being in similar situations) and then finding the red pill.

Either way the next day or two should be mildly interesting.

[-] NidStyles 3 Points 2 years ago

With how many redditor's behave, I'm actually not surprised that he was getting harassed.

[-] Diarrhea_Van_Frank 1 Point 2 years ago

I'd bet 10 American dollars that the harassment was mostly from people trying, for whatever reason, to discredit TRP. People are petty like that.

[-] NidStyles 1 Point 2 years ago

I could see that, but there are a lot of people that post in here that are still very deeply enthralled in being BP although they claim RP status.

[-] Diarrhea_Van_Frank 1 Point 2 years ago

I get being angry. We've all been there. I don't get taking it out on a stranger. These people need more self-control.

[-] NidStyles 1 Point 2 years ago

They will be fine. Self-control is something that comes with maturity.

[-] teeelo 3 Points 2 years ago


The incoming shaming from the haters is like a dark cloud building in the distance.

Popcorn anyone?

[-] badbfriend 23 Points 2 years ago

I put an edit on my main post for those interested. I'll be honest my first impression from the people sending me shit wasn't the best but coming here and reading and watching video's has been a little eye opening to say the least.

[-] bsutansalt 3 Points 2 years ago

coming here and reading and watching video's has been a little eye opening

Could you elaborate on that please?

[-] ilikesquash2 1 Point 2 years ago

my Jaw is dropped! Good for you, for finding out what TRP really is about! I too try to explain it as self improvement first and foremost! Good luck man!

[-] -IIII----------IIII- 20 Points 2 years ago

Love and attraction are not subjects that a pretentious therapist can help you with. I hate to break it to you, but they can only be understood with first-hand experience.

I know everyone's telling you to dump her. I probably just sound like another voice in an abyss of negativity.

Honestly though man, if you have any sense of self-respect and spine, you'd break up with her. She's clearly mentally unfit to be in a relationship, as she cheat on you after you tried to support her. Now she realizes her limits of how much she can walk over you, so after she lulls you into her comfort zone she's gonna walk all over you and stay just below that threshold where you stand up for yourself.

Please, for your sake, dump the bitch. Work on improving yourself, and this will just be a stain in your history rather than the plague that ruined your life.

[-] deville05 1 Point 2 years ago

Excellent username

[-] -IIII----------IIII- 1 Point 2 years ago

Thanks bro, you're the first to comment on it!

[-] aguy01 1 Point 2 years ago

Now she realizes her limits of how much she can walk over you, so after she lulls you into her comfort zone she's gonna walk all over you and stay just below that threshold where you stand up for yourself.

Very important. Things will never go back to the way they were.

[-] truchisoft 18 Points 2 years ago

spare me the "dump the bitch" or "lose the hoe" posts. This is my choice and I'm right now choosing to take back what was my place in her life. If it blows up in my face then its on me

This, here, shows how you are thinking right now, we males give shape to our live by ourselves, you don't have a place in her life, she has a place in your life.

This is what we call "frame", by thinking this way, you are showing you are inside her frame (that is, her reality defines your reality), and this explains a lot of what happened to you.

[-] noobforlife 2 Points 2 years ago

Excellent explanation of frame and this sentence you quoted highlights the exact wrong mentality to have when deciding how to proceed.

You need to understand that YOUR frame is the foundation upon which your relationship is built on.

[-] caputpill 1 Point 2 years ago

Completely agree with you and it is perfectly demonstrated by the fact that no, he didn't take "his" place in her life back - she allowed him his place again after replacing him - Her reality, her rules.

[-] flying_cumshot 16 Points 2 years ago

Now I know for sure this is a troll

[-] Asoka11111 6 Points 2 years ago

I would think so too, but why would he come to askTRP if he was a troll? Why not the main sub?

[-] formermangina 7 Points 2 years ago

The main sub doesn't allow newbies to post.

[-] caputpill 16 Points 2 years ago

Dude.. Did you just post on the redpill with the same account that everyone of your peers now knows is you?

You've set yourself up to fail my friend.

First of all. The redpill is very controversial and combined with the harsh tone in here everyone around you will now try and manipulate you to try and see that this is a hate group and that you should dismiss everything that has been said in here.

Even if you succeed in breaking free from that monster and the sisters they will label you as a mysoginist and other 'vile' things and spread rumors about you.

[-] redpillcynic 8 Points 2 years ago

Well, that might be a good thing for him

[-] caputpill 6 Points 2 years ago

Lets hope! Better to be vilified than to waste your life on a cheating whore I suppose.

[-] nicethingyoucanthave 15 Points 2 years ago

telling me that you hope my g/f is raped again while I have to watch is not okay

Nobody thinks that's okay.

Even the person who PMed you that message knows it's not okay.

It's called trolling. People say things not because they believe those things but because they hope to make you angry. If you actually received such a message, you should contact the reddit admins.

The person who sent you that PM may not even have been from TRP. There's a subreddit that sometimes tries to troll us, and they've talked openly about false-flags. About a year ago, there were a lot of women in TwoXChromosomes complaining that they constantly received harassing PMs. When the admins investigated, they found the claims to mostly be lies.

It's so easy to troll, so easy to false-flag, so easy to create fake accounts - you just have to accept that while on the internet, you can't believe everything you read.

[-] caputpill 14 Points 2 years ago

OP - Do you want to know how your girlfriend suddenly was able to bang you? You pulled whats called the ultimate game by dropping the bomb that you would dump her ass.

Read this:

They respond immediately to cure the immedate itch- which is that an ultimatum exists. But the emotional impact and consequences may be further down the line. You might not see it, but it will not be an effective long term strategy. She may do what it takes to keep you from leaving right then and there- but that doesn't mean you've affected her attraction to you. You haven't. How she feels won't be modified in the same way as real dread.

But nevertheless, none of these things is trying to negotiate attraction. Which does not work. And that's what an ultimatum is.

Remember - She was attracted to her coworker whose dick and cum she sucked and swallowed - Honest question: How can you NOT think of that you kiss her she kisses you?

( Crossed over because lets be honest, you still don't have the balls in the relationship to be the one who decides where and when the kisses are dealt)

[-] FelixCopy 5 Points 2 years ago

No it's just called dread game

[-] caputpill 1 Point 2 years ago

Nope, read this:

Dread done properly is unspoken and covert. This was ultimatum game- which is coming from a position of weakness (whereas proper dread is from a position of strength). From Rollo: Whenever a person delivers an ultimatum, always understand that this is a declaration of powerlessness. In other words, “I am so out of control in this circumstance you must do this or I will remove either myself or you from the circumstance.”

[-] vvancruz 0 Points 2 years ago

TL;DR How does her co-worker taste?

[-] YourShadowScholar -1 Point 2 years ago

Remember - She was attracted to her coworker whose dick and cum she sucked and swallowed - Honest question: How can you NOT think of that you kiss her she kisses you?

Er...that makes no sense. You expect this guy to only ever be with virgins from now on?... So basically the first step in TRP advice is: 1. move out of America/the West ? Wtf?

[-] caputpill 1 Point 2 years ago

Ofcourse it makes sense in the context of a cheating whore.

It is not so much the dick and the cum but the epic betrayal it portrays.

[-] 648262 0 Points 2 years ago

In all honesty; yes - this is becoming a problem, at least for me. In the past it never bothered me that women I was with had gargled other mens semen before they were with me, but now it does. Makes no sense, but there it is.

[-] YourShadowScholar 1 Point 2 years ago

That sucks.

I would try going to therapy over it I guess?

[-] 648262 1 Point 2 years ago

I'll skip therapy, but thanks for your concern and suggestion.

[-] YourShadowScholar 1 Point 2 years ago

Well, what other alternative do you have? Never have sex again? I guess that's cool, too. Just seems like something you might want to try and get over.

[-] 648262 1 Point 2 years ago

I'll deal with it. At some point during therapy you'll hear the therapist say that it's you who need to fix the problem. They can only talk, listen and give you prescriptions. Why involve them when it's as simple as "deal with it"?

...or just not have sex again.

[-] stickfiguresk 13 Points 2 years ago

I don't know that much about rape victims, so I dont know if her cheating was related to her being raped, but I doubt it. If you take the rape out, your story would match a very large number of dude's stories that ask for help here. Though, your situation still doesn't seem too uncommon.

Her therapist has her wellbeing as a higher priority than yours. The only reason you were informed was because she's giving you the rope required to hang yourself--she's not helping you with shit, just getting some weight off your woman's shoulders.

She may have been 'reclaiming her sexuality', but it was at your expense(obviously). OP, once a girl crosses that line, she's going to keep doing it. Women have no concept of honor--after she's disrespected you on that level, that is now what you're worth. You can't un-cuck yourself with this girl.

OP, that post on TRP was made because you're lacking self-respect. The only people that have a man's interest at heart are sometimes his mother, and sometimes himself. Nobody else is going to stick up for you, while five (?) People have stood up for her.

We have quite a few guides on dating and picking up women and how to comfortably and safely spin plates. Your life can be quite a bit better Tomorrow, if you choose to help yourself. Good luck, man.

[-] redrandoman 12 Points 2 years ago

You fucked yourself from getting any solid truth by posting here saying

if it was ongoing or more than once, I'm leaving

Your post history states your sister and your cuckold know your posts on reddit. They know you posted here too, buddy. Good riddance to an honest answer at this point, if you thought complete honestly was even there to begin with.

[-] iBeNiko 11 Points 2 years ago

You posting this with your main account that your gf has access to wasn't a smart move.

I'll just say it now. If it was ongoing or more than one, I'm out.

Good luck getting an honest answer, if your gf finds out you wrote this it is guaranteed she will tell you what you want to hear (that it was only once) whether it be the truth or not. And her family and your sister will take her side in keeping the truth from you. She cheated on you once that you know of while showing no affection to you, only to "miraculously" start showing affection towards you when she was threatened with losing you. that is more than enough reason to leave by itself.

[-] badbfriend 7 Points 2 years ago

Hell, I am not a smart man.

Dammit I only considered the fact of what they would think of me by posting here. I totally overlooked the fact that I just said that I would bail if it was more than once. Fuck me, oh well what's done is done. I can't unring that bell.

I'll still go with an open mind and hope that I get some truth. fuck fuck fuck

[-] byebyebluepill 6 Points 2 years ago

If they call you out on it, defend yourself. You set your fucking boundaries so stick to them. If they find all this, they will gang up on you, again, plan on it.

Feel free to let them know that if you had gone through with the letter you wouldn't have been swamped by TRP. So, in all honesty, it is their actions that led you here.

[-] redpillar1 2 Points 2 years ago

The best response would be to just leave her! Trust me I've been pushed around by women. We've all been.

The reason you weren't happy over the past year? You relied on your girlfriend for your happiness. The red pill isn't about being misogynistic towards women, it's about being independent and happy no matter what.

[-] Back2TumblrWomyn 2 Points 2 years ago

you're the perfect example of somoene who just refuses to change or look truth in the face

it's honestly pretty sad. who cares if she fucked 30 dudes WHO GIVES A SHIT WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE ANYMORE

jesus christ i feel fucking bad no one in your life cares you enough to smack the shit out of you. what a waste of time and energy.

[-] bicepsblastingstud 2 Points 2 years ago

I'll still go with an open mind and hope that I get some truth

Come on, dude. You can't be that dense.

What happened to this?

I finally just said to her, you haven't so much as held my hand in the past half year yet you can go fuck some guy you met at work while I sit like a jackass waiting for my junior high like date.

[-] real-boethius 1 Point 2 years ago

Hell, I am not a smart man.

Don't be so hard on yourself. It was not a smart move but I am sure you will learn from it.

As for people calling you a "beta faggot milquetoast", that is nasty. But, probably, the truth you needed to hear. There is no moral judgement in this - we are trained by society to be a "beta faggot milquetoast" and told women will like us for it. It is a lie, and you know that now.

[-] grubek 10 Points 2 years ago

Ignore the troll noise. They will always be there in the Internet.

As for your question, you can not. Words mean very little in general, but even less for women. Actions speak. And what your girlfriend now knows is you are a guy who will come back to her after she cheated. No matter what you do, no matter what you accomplish, that will always be in the back of her head. You might forgive her with time, but she will never forget.

As for the meeting with the psychologist, be very careful. First, you are right about what you should have done after the rape, but don't beat yourself up, it looks like the perfect trap. You are young, inexperience and her family and the psychologist took control. Even if you tried not much would have changed. At least you have good instincts looking back. That's why I think this relationship is doomed, you might hang there for a while but will eventually snap out of it.

For the meeting be ready for anything. Psychologist can be very weird people with weird theories but they have years of talking through shit like this and you'll be on her turf. This women should be doubted as psy given your gfs evolution, as other people told you in r/relationships. Not all psys are bad but be very careful with this one. Don't assume good faith, but don't confront her and try to avoid arguing with her too much. She has years of practice plus men are at a disadvantage because when we open up we look weak. Don't feel obligated to justify yourself, just say you don't feel something and that's it. And be ready for anything: she might be telling you there is more, your gf might be dumping you or she might be even trying to get the blame out of your gf and into her out of gf's parents pressure.

Be ready for anything, don't assume good faith and remain stoic. The damage has already been done, now its your turn to move (or she is dumping you).

[-] Dzuari 9 Points 2 years ago

all I wanted to do was do what it was everybody was telling me to do

Read "No more Mr. Nice Guy" It's a great primer for TRP given your certain situation.

I am going with her again to her therapist

If its the same therapist that was in your original post, it's not going to go well for you.

Sorry you had to deal with some assholes though. There's 120k men in TRP, there are bound to be assholes but most of us are not.

[-] wont_tell_i_refuse 9 Points 2 years ago

How do I take back control of my part in her life?

Dude, you don't. You move on and GFTOW (go fuck ten other women).

It's a hard pill to swallow -- I know from experience -- but there comes a point with a woman where you are fucked. She just doesn't see you like that. She can't. You are beta forever.

So I'm not saying "dump the bitch", I'm saying she dumped you. And there's no coming back.

[-] CrazyHorseInvincible 8 Points 2 years ago

PMed in parallel.

I apologize for TRP coming and finding you. That's not supposed to happen.

TRP is a boot camp. We call people things like "bitch" and "faggot" here, to motivate them. But boot camps are for volunteers. They're not supposed to come find people.

Please realize that however harsh the language, the people who messaged you are actually concerned for your welfare. They told you to "dump the bitch" because they believe that is healthy for you. No matter how much anger you can clearly see in their writing, they are far more angry for you than angry at you.

They are outraged that someone would treat you this way, and they want to see you fight back. I share this desire. I hope that you will read the sidebar, hang out a while (horrific as some of the things you see might look at first glance), and absorb some things that may help you.

As a TRP mod, it's my job to run the community... but I can't prevent people who agree with me from sending PMs with their opinions. That's not happening in the subreddit, so I can't police it.

But don't let it put you off the things here that may be useful to you.

[-] IWontpayyourprice666 4 Points 2 years ago

But boot camps are for volunteers. They're not supposed to come find people.

EXCELLENT distinction.

[-] bryanlharris 7 Points 2 years ago

Is the therapist a man or a woman?

[-] StrokeGameHusky 11 Points 2 years ago

The therapist took her side. I'll let you figure this one out..

[-] bryanlharris 2 Points 2 years ago

I think everyone assumed that, yeah. I just couldn't remember an actual gender specification in anything from the top of my head. I only remembered referring to the person as "therapist" so I thought it best to make sure.

It would be fucked up if it were a male therapist telling her to go bang other guys. But then again it's pretty fucked up as it is.

[-] RemyPrice 2 Points 2 years ago

Plenty of white knight male therapists would take her side.

[-] badbfriend 8 Points 2 years ago


[-] CisWhiteMaelstrom 7 Points 2 years ago

How do I take back control of my part in her life? I will freely admit that I fucked up big time when this all went down. I felt helpless and hopeless and all I wanted to do was help her and do what it was everybody was telling me to do.

Well at least be aware of the truth. She cheated when of sound mind. If you're gonna take that back against all better judgment then that's on you but don't lie to yourself about the situation you were in. Your fiance took another man's cock, rationalized it somehow, and used the rape that you've been trying for a year to help her get over as a manipulative tool. If you can look beyond that then go ahead but don't lie to yourself that THAT'S what happened.

[-] byebyebluepill 7 Points 2 years ago

But telling me that you hope my g/f is raped again while I have to watch

Yeah that shit isn't ok.

personally, I don't identify with TRP anymore because amidst the few nuggets of good advice for guys is a ton of sweeping negative generalizations (certain egative ones I find unfounded) about women which I find are unfounded. I'm sorry you've been harassed in that way.

But, I've followed your posts and I think you should ditch the letter and say that stuff in person. Reddit post gets found out and you go back? In all honesty, a l little spineless. You turned to reddit for advice, built a spine, so to speak. And you threw it out because they caught on? You built a spine, use it! For your sanity!

Nobody deserves the harassment I'm sure you've received from the brigade. You're not a bitch, a faggot, or a pussy. But stick to your plan!

Honestly, this comes from a place empathy. Hopefully I'm in soon enough to not get downvoted past you seeing this. Stay strong, love yourself, and know what you're worth. Now she knows what's at stake, don't be another dead bedrooms post. Please.

[-] BhiQ 5 Points 2 years ago

No downvotes for you, you don't need to believe in a literal understanding of AWALT to say something smart in the eyes of TRP. Well, at least not in my eyes.

[-] RPmatrix 2 Points 2 years ago

I agree with bro byebye here, and as for anyone to say

telling me that you hope my g/f is raped again while I have to watch

would arouse in me (and any true alpha/sigma in this community) some hard core wrath on those people asses, which is normally, fucking hard to do to me!

I wish you all the best bro with whatever you choose to do, but I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in this basket, it may break and you'll suffer it of does, I'm sorry to say.

[-] redpillcynic -2 Point 2 years ago

Heh. There's either free speech or there isn't. This is the internet, the latter is not an option. Sorry your feelings got hurt by harassment

[-] byebyebluepill 3 Points 2 years ago

My feelings didn't get hurt. I'm all for free speech. TRP gave me exactly what I needed when I needed it and I'll always be grateful for it. I think it needs to exist, I am NOT anti TRP. I just wanted to reach out to OP. I still think he should leave her and not be spineless.

[-] Synthtwo 6 Points 2 years ago

Good luck bud <3

[-] CryptoManbeard 6 Points 2 years ago

The reason you will see many people here who post hateful or idiotic comments like that is because they are angry. It's not an excuse, just an explanation. Many of us are here because we made really stupid decisions, trusted women at face value, and then got burned by it. Now that we have a much more realistic point of view in terms of female behavior, seeing a story like yours can be frustrating. For some people who are newer along their journey, they aren't yet comfortable with the truth and so they will get angry when they see someone acting like they used to.

I had an acquaintance explain to me the other day that he is expediting his marriage to his girlfriend. She has multiple kids from her past marriage, and they are expediting for custody purposes. He is Captain Save-a-ho. I shook my head inside and thought, "wow what a dumbass. He thinks he's being a hero but he's just setting himself up to get his heart and wallet torn out of his ass." I read your story and thought the same. You were being completely blind to how bad you are getting screwed, all the while thinking you were just doing the right thing.

You're a good dude. You have a lot of integrity and I applaud your commitment in this case. However, your faith in this girl is clearly misguided and anyone can see that the only ending for this relationship is extreme pain. This woman has absolutely zero respect for you, regardless of what happened. And I would bet that if you could analyze the situation closer, you would probably see that trend even before the rape.

You take back control of your life when you start realizing that you are the only one that will have your best interests in mind. You have to stop putting everyone else ahead of yourself. It's actually unhealthy to constantly put someone else's needs in front of yours if it's a constant thing. There's a clinical term for it, it's called codependency, and you have it bad (I know because I had it and I can easily spot it in others). Around here we'd call it "nice guy" syndrome or being a beta bitch.

There is no easy way to get rid of the blue pill in your life. The first step is knowledge, which you are going to receive now that you've seen there's a truth out there that you didn't know before. Do some sidebar reading, let it soak in, see how it applies in your life. You'll be angry during this time, because you'll realize you've been lied to your whole life and the things you held dear (being a caring individual for example), mean jack shit, and actually can be a hindrance to getting what you want. Eventually you will come to acceptance. Somewhere along the line you will see huge success in most areas of your life, and you'll look at your story at that point and wonder what the fuck you were thinking and how you could be so dumb. You'll also be thankful, because that event lead you on the path you're on. Your story isn't that special TBH. The setting is a little different because of the rape but the main plot points are essentially the same as thousands of others I read about day after day for the last few years (starting when I got cheated on).

[-] mismm 5 Points 2 years ago

Let me tell you why you got so much hate: because any man with any sense of self-worth, any self-respect, any dignity, would walk away from this woman after what happened. You are not worth the dick and balls you carry.

I don't know what you are looking for here, because everybody will tell you to walk away. Nobody here is going to support you staying with her.

I also have a feeling you are a troll, but whatever.

[-] badbfriend 4 Points 2 years ago

I owe the community an apology.

I went back through my p.m.'s and I was going to screen shot the rape p.m.'s to the mods here because after reading the sight and the responses I came to the conclusion that those people did not represent fairly or accurately what you guys are about.

Guys I'm just shy of 4 k messages, not from here but just in general since my first post over on /r/relationships, so it is not an easy thing to look sift threw the messages.

But I found it and well I'm here to say

mea culpa.

The offending posts did not have a link to trp. It was sandwhiched between a couple of other posts that linked up to that thread on your main page and some of the language was the same. But I was wrong, there was no link so therefor more than likely they were not trp members.

If you guys or the mods would like I will happily delete my post to you guys.

Now going through a lot of other posts there were ones that had the harsh language calling me a "pussy", "bitch", "spineless" or other stuff but after reading the thread and reading a lot of the sidebar I've just come to the conclusion that this is just the way you guys talk (or at least some of you talk like that).

However the real kick in the ass for me was that when I stopped and read beyond the initial name calling I read that not everybody was saying this stuff to put me down but doing it to maybe wake me up and see things from another view point.

In fact a trp member by the name /u/_Big_Nick_Diggers sent me the link and a very solid heartfelt message about my situation.

In other words my entire post is null and void.

I'll leave it up to the mods if they want me to delete. Personally I've gotten some really good info from this post.

Also for anyone who wants to know I will be leaving the job in just over an hour on my way to the meeting with Sara and the therapist.

[-] bubbleki 4 Points 2 years ago

The real problem is that she thought you were such a doormat pussybag that the thought of you leaving after a year of barely any contact and her cheating never crossed her mind. She thought you would take it like a champ bitchboy. That alone should send you running.

[-] mordanus 4 Points 2 years ago

You know how people describe beer goggles? The concept that with enough of a chemical someone becomes attractive even though they really aren't. This is exactly what you are experiencing at this point except the chemical isn't alcohol. You are trying to fix this relationship because you believe you are in love with her. The problem is that the person you believe her to be is an illusion.

Ask yourself if you are in love with her recent behavior. You should tally up her actions of late and set them aside as a completely separate thing than the person you believe her to be. Do you love those things that she has done? Do you love the selfish behavior that she has shown to you? Then attempting to justify cheating on you as 'finding her sexuality.'

You are going to 'sober up' and all of the bad shit she has sent your way is going to drop on you like a ton of bricks. It's going to be like waking up next to a 500 pound chick after a night of drinking. You are going to realize that you fucked up by not kicking her out of your life.

I'm just hoping that you can see through the haze before you bind yourself down to this woman.

[-] BigAjax 2 Points 2 years ago

This, this, this, a thousand times this. How many guys in shitty relationships - including me, now and in past LTRs - sit there and think about how much they love this woman and how badly they want to make things work with her? The guy is ready to run through a brick wall or suck down all kinds of shit sandwiches to try to make his relationship better. Meanwhile, she's treated the guy like garbage for months or years on end, without a thought at all about how to make things work well for the guy. Whether it's cheating, denying sex, spending like crazy, unpleasant demeanor, general disrespect, or whatever, so many guys don't bother to sit there and count up the good and the bad from some sufficiently long recent run, and let the accounting of that determine how they view her. Instead, the chemical cocktail bubbling in their brains keeps the guy thinking of just how wonderful she used to be, and if he only does XYZ, that wonderful broad will come back.

I got news for you, chief, if she's doing fucked up shit to you now, after you've been together long enough for her to get comfortable with you, then that tells you who she really is. Or at least who she really is with you.

Every guy in an LTR needs to do whatever he can to smash the wife/gf goggles and take a good, hard look at what his woman is really like. Is she adding value to your life? Do her actions put her in the red or the black? If things aren't right, does she just need a nudge and good leadership to get back on track, or is she really just an irredeemably selfish, solipsistic PoS? Why do you claim to love so deeply someone who, upon any sort of careful observation of her behavior, gives no real sign of having that feeling for you?

It's hard to admit that a woman is a cheating gutter slut (or whatever) who used you, lied to you, and just manipulated you for provisioning, comfort, convenience, etc. It sucks to feel used or like you made a bad investment in her. It's awful to think that those early good times you had with her are gone forever. To cut her for being no good now feels like taking a piss all over whatever good stuff used to be there. Put all that together with that potent chemical cocktail, those wife/gf goggles, and it's really easy for the man hamster to explain away or trivialize all the evidence that screams that she's no good (for you, at least). Take control of your life and have the balls to force yourself to step outside your perspective on how you want the world to look (what you want your current woman to be like), and face how it/she really is. That's what the whole red pill is about. That and relentless self-improvement, which will enable you to attract and retain (so long as you see fit to keep them around) higher quality women.

[-] jons_throwaway 4 Points 2 years ago

You can not take back control and be her. Bottom line she is a cheating whore, and you let happen without no consequence. Your fucked, she will repeat.

Edit: If you had half the respect for yourself as you do for her you could see what needed to be done.

[-] bryanlharris 4 Points 2 years ago

I really want to hear what the therapist says.

[-] RidleySmith 4 Points 2 years ago

Reading some of the articles on the sidebar of your main page has provided me some decent info. I can't say I agree with everything but I certainly think I could benefit from looking at things from a different point of view.

What don't you agree with? We can start from there and build up your knowledge

[-] Overzealous_BlackGuy 4 Points 2 years ago

I find it very RP how OP made this post. If I had more time to explain it I would, but the fact that he disnt allow these little ass kids to later his opinion, come in here and read what trp is about, and try to understand it is great. We welcome you're type.

But seriously Im part of the crowd that doesn't believe you can benefit from keeping homegirl.

[-] workdavework 4 Points 2 years ago

Apologies on behalf of the dickheads pming you abuse, you dont deserve that, you deserve better. And welcome, hope you learn something during your stay :)

[-] byebyebluepill 5 Points 2 years ago

And if OP does decide to explore TRP, for God's sake make another throw away.

[-] GregariousWolf 3 Points 2 years ago

You need to take back your place in your own life.

[-] favours_of_the_moon 3 Points 2 years ago

But telling me that you hope my g/f is raped again while I have to watch is not okay. Now those people may or may not have been members of this community but they sure as hell sent me the links. Like I said, call me whatever you want but seriously is advocating the rape of a woman what you guys stand for?

These are feminazi/gender studies students who get grant money to concern troll and pose as TRP posters to make TRP people look like assholes.

How do I take back control of my part in her life? I will freely admit that I fucked up big time when this all went down. I felt helpless and hopeless and all I wanted to do was help her and do what it was everybody was telling me to do.

You did absolutely nothing wrong, imo. The problem is with HER. She interpreted your love and kindness toward her as weakness, causing her pretty little head to swell up. Therefore she just HAD to stick it to you in some way. There's probably some reason that it's not her fault too.

[-] byebyebluepill 2 Points 2 years ago

These are feminazi/gender studies students who get grant money to concern troll and pose as TRP posters to make TRP people look like assholes.

Source? This is really disconcerting if it's true.

[-] SexistFlyingPig 3 Points 2 years ago

The red pill is not an easy pill to swallow. The gist of it is two fold.

1) You've been lied to about the nature of women your whole life. Your mother lied to you, your sisters lied to you, mass media lies to you. We have a phrase here, All Women Are Like That: AWALT. It means that if you see a woman behave in a particular way that all women do the same thing. Your GF cheated on you with someone she found hot. What other women are in this picture? Mom, sisters, etc. Do you think they might have cheated on their paycheck with some hot guy at some point in their lives? They have, and that's why they side with your cheating GF. What would their lives be like if there were consequences for their behavior?

2) You can better yourself, but it takes a lot of work, both physical and mental/emotional. You cannot change female nature. You cannot negotiate desire. You can get mad about it, you can get depressed about it, you can accept it, you can understand it, but you cannot change it.

[-] pogiface 3 Points 2 years ago

When i first saw your post it was a huge wall of words and it seemed you tried so hard. Aren't you tried yet? You are putting so much time and stress, energy into something and getting nothing in return. Sure you love her, but its time to cut your losses.

[-] penguin_says_slide 3 Points 2 years ago

My comment will be drowned out by hundreds other but you claimed you read all the thousand PMs they sent you, so maybe you read this too.

First off, I'm so glad you have discovered TRP and are approaching it with an open mind. Whatever happens in the future is largely irrelevant...once you've seen behind the curtain there's no going back so I trust your life will improve massively.

Secondly, apart from the resources on the sidebar and others, I'd highly highly highly suggest you check out :


They have hundreds of videos, but to get you started, go to rsdfreetour channel and look for Become an Entity with Structural Integrity. Up to you, but that shit is life changing.

Thirdly, TRP is not widely accepted in society and I doubt it ever will. Your sister and gf and so on know about this account. Are you sure you want to keep using this account to explore trp?

All the best to you man!

[-] H42 3 Points 2 years ago


Thank you. This is the first time I have seen what "RSD" references.

[-] Asoka11111 3 Points 2 years ago

Dude please, stop seeing her therapist. That bullshit about her reclaiming her sexuality with a different man hurts me really deeply to read. Don't accept it.

[-] teeay 3 Points 2 years ago

Respect. Glad you came to visit. Ignore the dickheads, everywhere has them, here too. People here are a little overcalibrated when it comes to fidelity if you ask me, but they're a good bunch of dudes, and the message here is much more truth and far less misogynistic hatred than the rest of reddit would have you believe..

That said, your situation is a case where I'd think hard about staying with her. Tough call though. If the infidelity was more than a one off, like you suggest might be the case, then even I would say you should dump her hard. Do have a think about the oneitis issue though. It's a pretty nasty state of mind once you see through it.

[-] fruguy 3 Points 2 years ago

It's not a tough call at all. She cheated. Besides that, her and OP clearly shouldn't be in a relationship with anyone right now let alone each other. OP needs a good few months away from her (because in that time hopefully, he'll never look back).

[-] teeay 1 Point 2 years ago

You know, you're right.

[-] dreckmal 3 Points 2 years ago

How do I take back control of my part in her life?

Here's the problem with this question: your 'part' in her life is her choice. You know the old saying "You can lead a horse to the river..."

You two are not 'together'. You choose to be with her, and she is sort of/kind of/not really choosing to be with you.

You already know the answers to the questions you have, you are just terrified of them. And that's okay. Part of being a man is facing the shit you are afraid of.

I felt helpless and hopeless and all I wanted to do was help her and do what it was everybody was telling me to do.

Before you can help her (personally I don't think she deserves your help) you need to help yourself.

[-] dooblegoo 3 Points 2 years ago

Hold up.

So it's okay for her to fuck another man in order to 'heal'...

Yet it's not okay for you to dump her in order to heal yourself?

Do you see the double standard?

Why does she get a pass, because a bad thing happened to her?

This isn't even a question of morals.

You can't live your life subject to the whims of other people and expect to be happy. The only reason you should consider staying with her is because of the value she brings to your life. Not because of what she or some sisters thinks it's what you should do.

But do you really think she's that valuable? Honestly. Considering that she CHEATED on you? That's a sign of worse things to come. My advice: get out now.

[-] trancedj 3 Points 2 years ago

Welcome dude. Sorry to hear about idiots being distasteful and spewing hate. You’ll find some SOLID dudes here that would like nothing more than to help a fellow bro wake up. I'll share my story and maybe it'll help you. I wish like hell I'd found this sub earlier in life. These young dudes here have no idea how lucky they are. I’ll be 40 this year.

I spent 20 years in marriage and was a beta bitch by every definition of the word. Wife controlled the money. She controlled access to sex. She was the boss. Or more appropriately she was the captain and I was the guy who kept shit running; a lowly servant. I was fucking miserable. I stumbled upon this sub back in 2010 I believe. It took me years to fully swallow the redpill and begin “de-programming” myself. Since then I’ve divorced my wife and have started taking on my own life. You’ll find plenty of PUA stuff talked about here but that’s only a small part of what TRP has taught me. TRP for me is all about how to take on your own life. To be the man you were meant to be and to find happiness in yourself; not in other women. And once I did that the whole fucking world shifted dude. Just last weekend I went skinny dipping with 2 women ages 21 and 19. How the fuck did that happen? Once I started living my life for me without giving a fuck about what others thought I noticed women started coming out of the wood work dude. Now I simply have fun and invite those along who I think can add value.

PM me if you’d like to know more.

And again, welcome. If you study the knowledge here your world will never be the same.

PS - breakup with your GF. Look into going "monk mode" for awhile and start lifting weights as you'll need an outlet for all the anger. “The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.”

[-] niftykettles 3 Points 2 years ago

If you any dignity you will dump her. I've only just read this story and I find it baffling that you would even consider staying with her.

[-] IWontpayyourprice666 3 Points 2 years ago

Tell her you want to take a year off. Focus on you. Get AWESOME. Tell her at the end of a year that you'll give her a chance TO WIN YOU BACK.

If she fails to meet the challenge she isn't worth the effort.

[-] ScottRikkard 2 Points 2 years ago

This is my choice and I'm right now choosing to take back what was my place in her life.

See this shit? Its not your place in HER life. It's her place in YOUR life. Stuff like that show how your mind works. You have to be the Sun and women the planets, not the other way around.

You'll be good man. Patience and read the sidebar.

[-] BooksofMagic 2 Points 2 years ago

Sure there is some "women are the enemy" vibes I get, but I honestly think at the core this is about being a better man.

Nothing much to add to what everyone else here has said. Just anted to say good on you for reading enough around here to get this point. Most everyone else always keys in on the bad, but in the case of TRP, you have to take the bad with the good because both sides are important.

[-] Reddthrown 2 Points 2 years ago

First, welcome.

Second, you owe this girl nothing. She has proven that she is not capable of providing a healthy relationship. The only reasonable course of action is to leave her and find a good girl. There are hundreds of millions.

[-] StrokeGameHusky 1 Point 2 years ago

She has reinforced AWALT. Noted. Dump her.

[-] Hunter2isit 2 Points 2 years ago

know that pussy is thicker than blood, don't expect your sister to be on your side, her hamster will kick in and have her side with the GF everytime as it is a reflection on her own ability to power grab and use sex as a commodity. My own family sided with my ex who treated me as bad / worse than your situation. The hard one is saying AWALT and if someone isn't supportive, even a sister, don't reward them with your attention. You cant change them, you don't have to speak with them.

[-] cmiovino 2 Points 2 years ago

Quite honestly, bro, your story resonated with me. I was with a girl for three years without sex. Talk about cuckhold. Then went she met an Australian party-goer on a European trip and kept talking to him for six months after, I still stuck around. Even when he had his plane ticket booked to come to the states, I was still begging and pleading with her to stay and that it would work between us.

Thus, I found this place. I will leave the details out, but I am in a MUCH better place now and feel much better about myself in general. TRP is 95% true and 5% 'hateful'.

Honest opinion: I'd recommend this to anyone new to TRP and single, or in your position wanting to save any kind of relationship. Self improvement if you're single, or dread game in a relationship. Basically, lift, improve yourself, be aloof, go out, get guy friends, and have better things going on in your life. Don't make this girl the center of everything... it's bad for your development as a man and eventually, the girl will resent you for it. Keep fresh and able to attract anyone.

[-] flatox 2 Points 2 years ago

The people who wrote to you are most likely very new members.

People new to the subreddit are in the angerphase of accepting TRP. They have their whole life been told one thing about women and the world which weren't true, and now they're angry at themselves for not seeing through the bullshit by themselves at first.

Therefore they just want to throw any possible insult they can towards anyone who resemble their former selves, because in a way in our minds it feels like telling our old selves that they were fucking stupid, and in telling people in similar situations it feels like giving themselves a mouthful. They're so angry, and it is natural.

But it is unbelievable that they just cannot keep it to themselves. TRP is not ment to be preached around.

And as you might have noticed, we have quite a lot of members, and just a year ago we didn't. So the majority inhere are new, and therefore you should take everything with a grain of salt. What i say here too. Also, because english is not my first language, as many others.

If anyone wrote comments here like you tell they PM'ed you, they'd either get a warning or a ban. From what iv'e seen, anyways.

So yeah, don't listen to newcomers. It takes years to embrace TRP's concepts and a lifetime to fully understand it.

[-] ThrowingMyslfOutther 2 Points 2 years ago

So here is the question part of my post for you. How do I take back control of my part in her life?

You don't. I'm really sorry, but you don't.

It's like asking how do you put a firework back together. Relationships are the strongest sense of entropy and entropy is single direction.

I know you said that's not what you want to hear, doesn't make it any less true.

Good luck.

[-] user6580 2 Points 2 years ago

The problem is man.. even if you follow TRP perfectly it will not work out and it's simply because she has known you too long. She knows she can win you back, your reputation in her eyes will be forever tarnished by what has transpired.

If you followed TRP and met her brand new none of this would happen. So that's why everyone is telling you to move on.

Do what you want though, no body can tell you who you want to be with. I still recommend following TRP because even though your fiance is a lost cause, when you do eventually split you will be able to get the right girl next time.

(or you can continue to let her control you, marry her, and spend the rest of your life like that)

[-] despoticVeracity 2 Points 2 years ago

The biggest issue you have is a lack of abundance mentality.

Think of a relationship as similar to a transaction or business arrangement, only with love, sex and care as the traded services. It may sound cold at first, but everyone needs to look out for themselves and avoid being taken advantage of. You don't have to be a dick about it; you can negotiate salaries, haggle and buy goods without going full Machiavelli.

So imagine you're at a car dealership, buying a car (your gf). You see one, you take it for a bit of a drive and you like it. The dealer comes up to you and asks how you like it. You tell him you love it and will have it no matter what. His eyes light up. He can now raise the price as high as he likes, because you've just sacrificed your most valuable bargaining chip: the right to walk away. More importantly, you've told him. You gave him a blank cheque to gouge you for all you're with.

This already happened in your relationship. You stuck around and she fucked around, giving you absolutely nothing. Since the rape, you've been a single man with none of the benefits and a leg cast of concrete.

Now in this case, you've told us that you are still going to be with her and aren't going to be leaving. This is, in many of our minds, a terrible idea. The car is damaged, the salesman is scummy and you're pretty sure the boot had a dead body in it. But, taking into account you're set on this, the most important thing you can do is not reveal that under any circumstances. If you're going to be buying a shit car, the least you can do is haggle it down to a low price.

How do you haggle? You point out all the flaws. You hem and haw. You appear torn. You pull out some other dealership quotes and talk about them. You explain how you just 'can't pay more than half what you're asking'. You bluff and you bluff well. You'll still end up with a shitty car, but it'll be decked out with extras and you'll get it for a low price.

In this case, 'price' is equivalent to 'care in the relationship'. You already did this. You placed 'intimacy' (sex) as your bottom line price. Whaddya know? She put out, when all of the care in the world from before had her screwing another guy behind your back. What else do you want? Daily BJs on demand? Breakfast when you wake up? Respect? Never to be shouted at again? The right to screw other chicks? You can get it if you haggle right.

Haggling, in this case, is what we call dread game. There are eleven stages, which you can find over on /r/MarriedRedPill, an LTR-oriented RP sub. In a nutshell, you raise your value (pass shit tests, hold frame and lift) while showing that you have options. You say (nonverbally) "I can get someone hotter than you who hasn't stabbed me in the back. Make it worth my while to be with you."

This is not abusive; it's being aware of your own value. You are a lover, not a mother or brother. Romance is conditional love. At present, she's expecting you to be a parent; someone she can reject, insult and disrespect and still expect to love her. Trying to force that upon you is abusive. All we want you to do is put a fair price on your love and stop selling yourself short.

All that said, your car is shit. It's been t-boned and taken for a joyride. The breaks are shot and the paintwork is a mess. It's going to cost more than you bought it for just to make it roadworthy. I can't suggest more strongly walking out of the dealership and going anywhere else. Try out some other rides. See if you like any of them. Enjoy how much more smoothly they run, not having to spend an hour jiggling the keys in the ignition just to get it to start moving.

Failing that, get your wreck of a car at scrap-metal pricing, with a sick complimentary stereo system thrown in.

[-] tuxedoburrito 2 Points 2 years ago

I've been following your story since the original post hoping you'd find your way here. We couldn't draw you here, you had to find it yourself. I'm so excited you're here.

As for those assholes who said your girl should be raped, I'm sorry. They are trash and those comments were just meant to hurt. Don't sweat it. Glad you're here and trying to find a way to be a man.

[-] gangstaman9000the2nd 2 Points 2 years ago

It will blow up in your face.

Take our advice and dump the bitch.

Edit: You are the biggest cuckold in the world. Not "apparently".

[-] 648262 2 Points 2 years ago

I love it! TRP porn almost.

Good on you man. I hope you come out of this a harder, better, faster and stronger man.

A lot of good advice has already been given, but go your own way - that's how you take control - proactive instead of reactive. This post blew up and if you were just some random guy all the advice you would get was "read that sidebar". That still holds up.

No More Mr. Nice Guy is also a very good and easy read for people in a similar situation as you.

Best of luck!

[-] LukeMooney 2 Points 2 years ago

Oh my god op ! Can't believe you're here! Welcome! Hope you take the advice and make trp your mainstay for eduction. Absolutely wish you the best in your endeavour of self improvement, stick with it, it takes years. And dump that fucking ho! DUMP HER FUMP HER DUMP HER DUMP HER DUMP HER DUMP HER. Have a great day!

[-] real-boethius 1 Point 2 years ago


Also have a solid conversation with your sister about loyalty.

[-] LukeMooney 1 Point 2 years ago

No point talking to the sister - she's never going to change governments now

[-] bsutansalt 2 Points 2 years ago

Considering the source of this thread, in the future I recommend all you use /r/RelationshipsUncut rather than the main sub.

I take a hands-off approach to moderation. So long as it's not illegal or against Reddit's ToS, have at it. There will be no moderating influenced by dogma/ideology on my watch.

[-] PencilNeckBrah 1 Point 2 years ago

OP is in such a shit predicament, in any other situation he would have dumped her but he's clearly confused on what he's supposed to do because he feels guilty for dumping her because she was raped.

[-] bongsmuggler22 1 Point 2 years ago

Yeah, keep going to the therapist that immediately began explaining away the cheating the moment it came up and trying to guilt you for not being happy about it... solid plan

[-] StrokeGameHusky 1 Point 2 years ago

It says a lot about you character that you came here despite the hate. It shows you know there is a problem, or something may have heard resonated with you and you decided to check it out.

That's step one. Step 2 is to dump your gf (your next update it will be ex-gf)

Learn as much as you can. Pay extra attention to the AWALT(all women are like that) posts because it sounds like you may need reinforcement to learn of the true nature of women.

Your gf does not need your help. She is feigning helplessness bc it gets her more attention. I bet my life savings on her using the the helplessness card when she heartlessly fucked some guy, but wouldn't even touch you.

We have all been there where some chick just royally fucked us over, and this is the sub where we try to understand (thru real life observations, We NEVER base it on their words.) how women act, or why they do the things that they do.

I don't know how others in this sub feel about the redpillwomen sub, but it may be worth your while to get a women's perspective- from women who know red pill is the best thing they can do for their LTR/Marriage. A cross post would do the trick.

TL DR: just dump her and improve yourself. Your happiness in life depends on it.

[-] Xanax_beer_weed 1 Point 2 years ago

Do you want to live like this? Is this how you want your personal relationships to be like? Is this how your woman treats her man?

I don't think this is what you want. It doesn't have to be this way. You CAN change.

Right now the people you love most have no respect for you- none. You're a tree to give them fruit or a mine to be hollowed-out. They won't stop taking until you're barren and useless.

I bet this is the same way you're treated at work, too. It doesn't have to be this way. I was much worse than you, but now people respect me. They seek me out to do things for me. It's so much more than women and sex. I am not just a man, but a leader.

I am a rock that the waves crash against. I ground all situations. I set the tone.

[-] crazydave1979 1 Point 2 years ago

Dude, I know you seem determined to stay with this chick. Your allowing your lizard brain to run the show over your actual brain..

Let's look at logic.

You have only one life to live..

Is this the girl that will make that life the most enjoyable?? Or are you just staying to benefit her life instead of your own?

[-] Back2TumblrWomyn 1 Point 2 years ago

OP shows he still cares. Girl smells blood in water.

"Oh yippie my therapist is even encouraging me to tell him of allll the big dicks I took while I was with him. That little loser still cares about me I know he does, If he doesn't want me at least I'll let him know how much big black dick I took"



Or ... or... or... just imagine if you're about to get chewed out and threatened with some sort of legal action because you posted that story of her on the internet. Either way I can't wait to hear what happens with this. Update us. God I hope you swallow that pill. I'm curious to hear what happens in that bullshit session but I'd be so much happier/proud if you stood up for your LIFE as a person and didn't go

[-] rokr1292 1 Point 2 years ago

Besides the awful pms you got, I'm really happy you're here OP. Hopefully this will be the start of some good for you.

At the same time, this post says a lot about this place. Everyone here seems like a member of the he-man-woman-haters club, but the purpose of trp is far above that. I'm glad you stayed long enough to pierce the veil.

From being here for a while, I kind of suspect those pms might have been from non-members that haven't seen through it yet. Trp is very welcoming once you're open to trp ideas

[-] tempusers 1 Point 2 years ago

Please do, after Friday, report back. Most will be willing to bet money it has been more than once. Regarding the "save a hoe" or "dump the bitch" portion, you're getting this advice because you should honor yourself and start over without her.
You've done nothing wrong, and to begin with she didn't either (obviously the rape was not her fault), up until after she started recovering. She clearly cheated on you, purposefully withheld affection from you, and in ways held you emotionally imprisoned with the assistance of her counselor.
You didn't do the rape to her, and you did nothing except try your best to stay there for her, but you were told to keep away. You deserve better. Her actions speak louder than words. This is the takeaway point.
As far as TRP, will be making yourself better and more desirable, and equip a personality that will "protect" you from being cheated on or flat out ignored, because your frame elicits respect and admiration.
You will get the "enemy" vibes again, probably, when you get to AWALT. Then you should see it's all about generalities, which are easier to deal with (human nature). After that hopefully you will find ways to deflect such issues, or ways deal with them as they come. You will feel confidence again, and have control of yourself, your life, and your relationships.
Edit: Probably sound like a broken record to you getting this same advice again.

[-] jd0589 1 Point 2 years ago

Can we sidebar this whole post? It's really highlighting how many decent members we have in this sub. Grade A stuff for sure

[-] drqxx 1 Point 2 years ago

Your woman is damaged goods and to top it off she fucked someone behind your back. Call yourself tough all you want. Your actions are very bluepill.

There are plenty of other non damaged women out there. Go find one.

[-] TerrenceFartbubbler 1 Point 2 years ago

This is a community that was formed to help men like you (us) to uncondition ourselves from the brainwashing that takes place during our lifetimes. You're brave to come here and post this. Most would say you're foolish for staying in this relationship. That is your prerogative. The best advice anybody could give you is read and reread the sidebar and materials. TRP is more about making yourself a better man, internally, than it is becoming a better womanizer. I know that reading everything here helped me see the value that I, as an individual, have to offer the world. Once I realized that, everything just kind of fell into place, relationship-wise. Good luck!

[-] byebyebluepill 1 Point 2 years ago

TRP is more about making yourself a better man, internally, than it is becoming a better womanizer.

[-] cantstopper 1 Point 2 years ago

That's a tough situation to be in, but I have no doubts I would have walked out of the therapist session and never spoke to her or her family again after the "It's not really cheating because of..."

In fact, I would have forced my way to see her long, LONG before he was given the green light to visit her. Most of us would.

Essentially, she resented her loved one because she got raped, and cheated on him whilst strong arming her family to keep quiet about it.

That's just evil and wrong. I don't care what happened at that point.

Men, hold on to your butts.

He STILL wants to be part of her life...

You can't fix stupid. You really can't.

I hope this turns out being fake. Who the hell sits like a duck for months after his S/O gets raped?

[-] Myrpl 1 Point 2 years ago

I don't know if anyone told you yet but, regarding sidebar material, I believe that plenty of us were disagreeing and were at disbelief for a very good while. But don't take things at face value. Try something and if it gets you results, it works. If it doesn't, drop it. Skepticism and constructive discussion is highly encouraged.

[-] charlie_p 1 Point 2 years ago

Jesus christ this is pathetic.

[-] fortifiedoranges 1 Point 2 years ago

Going to the therapist is a waste of time.

[-] caputpill 1 Point 2 years ago

I've really seen some grievous errors I've made in the aftermath of this. I've just got some thinking I need to do.

That is exactly what you need to do but you can't do it with them clouding your mind.

I mean this seriously - Take a bit of vacation time and just go to another city. It's the same reason why you go no contact with your x-girlfriend for a while - because you want it to work so your mind makes all these loops.

Get away from it all and after a while the answer will seem obvious. You need time to grief, you havn't had that yet.

[-] Entershikari 1 Point 2 years ago

Dude your eyes are now open.

You're smart if you're here.

Read and take back the control of your life.

[-] mr_one_liner 1 Point 2 years ago

Not much to add here but to say: welcome, there's crazies in every group, and there's tons of benefit to be had in this community, good luck, and I hope you stay!

[-] formermangina 1 Point 2 years ago

But telling me that you hope my g/f is raped again while I have to watch is not okay. Now those people may or may not have been members of this community but they sure as hell sent me the links.

LOL. You're getting trolled man. Who does that.

[-] RPmatrix 1 Point 2 years ago

You're getting trolled man. Who does that.

that's NOT trolling, it's pathetic and we know there are many pathetic males out there!

[-] Goldfulgore 1 Point 2 years ago

It is my assumption that you GF felt "something new" when the rape happened and she went out to seek it. That's why she broke things off with you. I know it doesn't make sense and I know that rape is bad but seriously you have no idea how a woman's mind works. Then she felt remorse and bad about the whole situation and tried to get back with you.

Do you still want to have a relationship with this kind of person? Or are you just settling in because you have no other options?

Well apparently the worlds largest cuckold checking in.

I have seen worse, but you are high in the ranks.

[-] Throway99038 1 Point 2 years ago

Well you have made up your mind to give your cheating gf another chance, even though everyone has rightly told you not to. Btw this therapist of hers, if it is the one who told you it's not cheating, it's taking back her sexuality, then don't bother going, cause you will be blamed for traumatizing your gf, destroying her progress blah blah. You should focus on yourself. Stop being such a pushover, you were bullied into staying by your sister and her sister. If you can't see that, then god help you.

[-] Hippostalker 0 Points 2 years ago

"How do I take back control of my part in her life?"

By becoming a man with status that she would respect and fear to lose and will do ANYTHING to keep you.

However, right now she knows that you are weak and she can do anything to you and you'll still crawl back.

So if you want to stay with her, you need to change that.

[-] caputpill 3 Points 2 years ago

So if you want to stay with her, you need to change that.

I don't believe it is possible to make such a large change in yourself while being in a relationship with the woman.

Watch this video from RSD Tyler called. "Hidden Cam Reveals How Women Judge Men! Women's Double Standard EXPOSED! (+Infield)"

To long, didn't watch:

Women put men in boxes, betas and alphas.

Alphas are allowed to behave differently, make crass sexual comments without being judged for them. If a percieved beta does the same, then all hell is loose and she will shame him and be insulted.

Therefore a beta(OP) cannot adapt alpha behavior without being shamed for them at the same time because the girlfriend percieves him as a beta.

[-] StrokeGameHusky 1 Point 2 years ago

This was an interesting watch. Guy is clearly a "reformed" beta. His flirting is cringeworthy

[-] SkorchZang 1 Point 2 years ago

So is mine. It doesn't matter because I'm not flirting with rational, logical men of taste and distinction, but with blondie female bimbos whose main interests in life are "feeling good" and "selfies".

As for women of taste and distinction, I have met them sometimes in my adventures, and thing is, they all become blondie bimbos too, after just a little cringeworthy flirting, so...

[-] StrokeGameHusky 1 Point 2 years ago

At first I thought it was fake bc the guy in the video is veryyy beta looking/sounding. However, he claims he is a sociopath, which is the best personality trait for PUAs. He knows what he is doing, don't get me wrong, he just needs to smooth it out and slow it down.

My best success with women has been when I spoke extremely slowly, doesn't matter what I said really, as long as it was slow, deep and direct. Women love it.

I applaud his confidence putting his flirting online, in video form, can't say I would want to do that.

[-] Back2TumblrWomyn 0 Points 2 years ago

"But telling me that you hope my g/f is raped again while I have to watch is not okay. Now those people may or may not have been members of this community but they sure as hell sent me the links. Like I said, call me whatever you want but seriously is advocating the rape of a woman what you guys stand for? I sure as hell hope not."

Quit being so sensationalist and emotional you little bitch. This is the internet, people are going to find the dumbest and meanest shit to say to you. That's how this works buddy. Jesus christ.. Quit reading here, I don't have time for this fuckwit hahaha

[-] king_of_red_alphas -6 Point 2 years ago

If I understand correctly, the gf got raped, became distant from her BF and then ultimately banged some Chad as part of her "healing" process?

I'm not as black and white on this one. This isn't some routine hamster situation we're dealing with here where the girl just got bored and wanted to upgrade. It sounds like she was legit mindfucked by this whole thing and may have just felt shitty / dirty / fearful about being intimate again with her BF in the same way.

Now, of course that doesn't remotely excuse the fact that she banged somebody else, but it somewhat mitigates it IMO.

If this was indeed a one off "acting out" type situation and OP truly "loves" her (I know there's no such thing in TRPland) then it might be worth a try to work things out provided there's no indication this will be repeat behavior and trust is rebuilt slowly.

TRP is always going to err on the side of "next" for even the most minor transgressions from a woman. I think that only you can be the judge of if this woman is worthy of the work of rebuilding with.

All of that said. DO continue to study TRP principles and advice as it will be invaluable in your ability to avoid these pitfalls, whether it's with this girl or the next. It will also allow you to spot (very early) any sign that her cheating is more of a chronic issue that a simple one of symptom of confusion or whatever.

[-] CryptoManbeard 5 Points 2 years ago

You need to read the whole story. While I completely disagree with your premise anyway, the details are she completely fucking ignored the guy for like 4 months. Like wouldn't even talk to him. Then she fucked another guy and still kept ignoring him. And then one day he says hes breaking up with her on the internet and she comes back and starts being super loving...miraculously she's healed.....

[-] caputpill 2 Points 2 years ago

I understand where you're coming from and I do agree it isn't as black and white as usual. However I don't think this changes anything really.

If you read the OP's posts on /relationships then everything about this situation - the people, the enviroment - is fucked up and screams "GFTO ASAP".

it might be worth a try to work things out provided there's no indication this will be repeat behavior

AWALT.. There only are two girls: those who need a lot of temptation to sleep around before dumping your ass and those who don't need a lot of temptation to sleep around before dumping your ass. It happening once is an indication that it will be a repeat behavior.

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[-] caputpill 1 Point 2 years ago

You have been downvoted so your comment is hidden.

I, ofcourse, disagree with you and would like to hear about one of the things makes you think that we are full of shit - just 1! No meaningful discussion can come from discussing several different things at once.

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[-] caputpill 2 Points 2 years ago

Well of course you disagree with me, you're a part of the Red Pill community aren't you?

Yes. But what does that even mean? I've read in here for a couple of months and many things fit right into my life. Does this make me a redpiller because I see the connections between the stories in here and my own life?

If you need an explanation as to why I am saying that you're full of shit, then I guess there is absolutely no point whatsoever in discussing why I think that....

I'm just asking for an honest to god argument as to why this subreddit is full of shit because I obviously can't discuss this with my friends.

Won't you do me the favor of elaborating on one point so I can get the different perspective I might need to change my life?

Thanks for the time anyway and a good day to you aswell.

Btw: I'm guessing you're a girl - Did I guess correctly?

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[-] caputpill 2 Points 2 years ago

Why can't you discuss this with your friends?

The world has grown so 'politically correct' that you can't even hint at the fact that men and women are slightly different than each other without being called a woman-hating misogynist.

Most of my friends will probably have the same reaction than you and afterwards rumors will spread in my social circles which would in turn vilify me and make my efforts meaningless.

I honestly miss talking rationally about this with other people so thats why I'm asking you to elaborate on a single point so we can perhaps have a small, rational debate?


Here is the private convo with Pucka11 if anyone wants to know:

Can't really recommend reading it though.

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[-] H42 6 Points 2 years ago

Aaaand ... she successfully negotiates a chat date with a RedPill Alpha! Tingles ahead!

[-] caputpill 4 Points 2 years ago

Here is the conversation if you want to know:

[-] caputpill 2 Points 2 years ago

I wish - She just asked a couple of questions like "What happened to you?" and wrote "you're full of shit" half the time.

Completely waste of my time. There where no arguments, only questions and "full of shit" accusations.

I knew was a woman because she asked and I gave her a chance but nope. No rational thoughts where expressed to me. I should have known better.

[-] H42 3 Points 2 years ago

Hoping for rational thought and discourse from a woman is ... hopeless.

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[-] caputpill 4 Points 2 years ago

If you want to know I actually feel intellectually superior to you because I actually engaged in the conversation and expressed rational arguments.

[-] FukknPissd -20 Point 2 years ago

This guy is not worth our time. I don't see how engaging with this chap will improve my SMV or make a sandwich for me. Later chaps....I'm off to the next post. Peace

[-] caputpill 7 Points 2 years ago

Posting in here in general will have no impact on your SMV unless you internalize the RP truths by expressing them in your own thoughts to others - in which case expressing them here will infront of a guy who you think is out of reach is the same as any other.

[-] doneitnow 6 Points 2 years ago

Yeah, but posting this comment sure skyrocketed your SMV.