I've been working on myself a lot: lifting, setting a schedule, working on my style. I also joined the wrestling team 4 months ago. I assumed it would boost my SMV, or at least wouldn't affect it. Nope. Because of one shithead, it completely tanked my reputation.
The kid who's doing this, to a certain extent, I have to admire him: he doesn't lift, doesn't play any sports, is scrawny as shit, and isn't even rich, and is somehow really popular and is already spinning plates. He's also, being completely honest, the wittiest and most brutal roaster I've met. I enjoyed listening to him, until he turned on me.
His roasts are mostly focused on the 'wrestling? Ha! Gay' thing, but he words it in ways that are honestly pretty funny. For example: 'So, how'd you do at the ass groping- I'm sorry, wrestling- tournament? I hope you'll be putting the skills you learned to good use on insert name of my friend after school'. Shit like that. And this causes everyone to laugh at me, since he portrays me as a gay dumb brute.
A couple times, I've just responded with some variant of 'I could bet you up'. And each time, he just shrugs and says 'okay, do it'. I can tell he isn't scared at all of being beaten up. And since he's already portraying me as a dumb brute, attacking him would just prove my point.
I decided to ignore him, but he continues to do it. See, he doesn't do it to get a rise out of me, he does it to entertain people.
How can I stop it?
thesnowman17 5y ago
Dude just fuck him up. Who cares. In high school sometimes u got to fight. That’s how it is. If he says something afterwards just say , so I guess you like getting your ass kicked.
OneHandToFapThemAll 5y ago
just roll with it. if he calls you gay just say “yeah man, let’s get together sometime” or blow him a kiss lol if you’re comfortable with your sexuality.
people should laugh
any retaliation or emotional response just makes you lose frame. totally ignoring him is an emotional response as well
Studioyacht 5y ago
I tried that once. He just responded by saying, 'if I were to turn gay, it sure as hell wouldn't be for you.'
OneHandToFapThemAll 5y ago
“ok” and shrug
Studioyacht 5y ago
That's basically been my response for the past 2 months, but he continues, and it is really hurting my SMV. I literally get no IOIs now. What can I do about it?
OneHandToFapThemAll 5y ago
hmmm idk, normally people like this stop if you’re not emotional because it’s only entertaining that way. it doesn’t really matter what you say so much as how you hold yourself.
just do your thing. if one guy is able to totally destroy your smv just by being a smartass then it’s unlikely you had high smv to begin with. unless you really are letting this guy get to you and people are seeing that
another option might be to pull him aside when no one’s around and ask him what his deal is but that could backfire
Studioyacht 5y ago
Idk, man. I had pretty decent SMV and had played one girl last year, although that stopped this summer. For a little bit, my SMV actually rises when I started wrestling, but as soon as he commented on it, it changed.
Would you suggest just being stoic about it? It hasn't worked so far, but will it in the future?
OneHandToFapThemAll 5y ago
yeah i guess. as i said if you hold frame he’ll get bored. someone else will do something that he thinks will be fun to pick on, and you’ll be old news. good luck
Studioyacht 5y ago
Okay, thank you.
el_Technico 5y ago
"Then why do you keep making passes at me"
Studioyacht 5y ago
My next response was similar: 'so why do you flirt with me on a daily basis?'
He just responded: 'so you have so little meaningful human interaction that a roast counts as flirting. Got it.'
shredzro 5y ago
Damn he’s good
Studioyacht 5y ago
Yup.
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Studioyacht 5y ago
I tried saying 'you're just deeply closeted', but at that point, the crowd was all going 'ohhhh' and laughing at me that nobody paid attention.
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Studioyacht 5y ago
That's what I don't get to begin with. There are extremely athletic guys with great bodies and good game, and yet he's more popular and gets more girls than all of them. He's good looking, but he's a skinny bitch.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Don't hang around him. If he comes up, you leave.
Yes, I know, all of your 'friends' hang around him. There is your choice. If you need friends that badly, go somewhere else and make new ones. Can't be any worse than these.
Studioyacht 5y ago
All my friends stopped hanging out with me since he started talking shit about me. Should I make friends outside school?
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Yes. These people are not your friends. They are your enemies, and they have shown that they are not worthy of being your friends. Make friends elsewhere.
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Studioyacht 5y ago
All of my friends, including the other wrestlers.
He's weaved a narrative where he says I will fight him, because I'm a dumb brute. So if I fight him, I'll prove his point. But I guess I'll still do it.
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Studioyacht 5y ago
This. Add the fact he's super manipulative and good at social games.
Regardless, I'll see him in 10 minutes, I'll punch him then.
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Studioyacht 5y ago
Tough him up how?
Tough_Connection 5y ago
I am 97% sure he is in the closet. I would just ignore those roasts aren't even funny, very typical.
Studioyacht 5y ago
I 50% think he's gay, 50% think he's just an asshole who likes to manipulate people. Cause he's bullied people for being religious, for being liberal, and for conservative.
dickpillsjones 5y ago
No
failingtheturingtest 5y ago
Yep, will instantly make you the toughest dude who still gets put in his place by some skinny kid's words. So much character and confidence.
Studioyacht 5y ago
I told him basically that. But he's honestly funny and charismatic enough to make fun of me. His response to that is, 'so you're trying to find ways to brag about groping other guys for fun?'
Radkin007 5y ago
Sounds like he’s a bit homophobic.
Beyblade_Clips 5y ago
Or a bit stuck on the ‘gay’ thing. OP ask him what his obsession with wrestling being gay is
rogankid88 5y ago
You're letting him work himself into your life, you need to cleverly flip the conversation into being about him.
E.g. Him: "So, how'd you do at the ass groping- I'm sorry, wrestling- tournament?"
You: "I admire your honesty about how much you think about men, it's usually those who bring it up the most who turn out to be gay, nothing wrong with that, just be honest you're into men right?"
Delivery is key though say it with a fun smile.
Studioyacht 5y ago
Thank you.
MottledThread301 5y ago
I’m also a wrestler in high school and when someone says that I usually agree and amplify. Never get emotional and say “I can beat your ass”, just roll with it and if he doesn’t stop just ignore him.
CalvinRichland 5y ago
No wrestler ever has heard a gay joke... never been done before... join us after practice we wrestle naked, thats when the real fun starts, AMPLIFY
Studioyacht 5y ago
I said that word for word. He just responded by saying, 'that's what you want, right? To beat my ass, give me a spanking?'
I've been ignoring him for the past 2.5 months, but he continues. He doesn't seem to care whether I react, he just wants to make other people laugh.
MottledThread301 5y ago
Just keep A&A until he stops.
Studioyacht 5y ago
Thank you.
MottledThread301 5y ago
Just wondering, what state you wrestle in?
Studioyacht 5y ago
Missouri. Do you wrestle?
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throwawayycheyeah 5y ago
Brah you gotta make a choice.
Either you ignore it and avoid him until he stops.
Or you cut your losses, prove his point, and beat his ass.
Trying to beat him at his own game of words is just making it worse.
Studioyacht 5y ago
You're right.
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Studioyacht 5y ago
Okay, thank you.
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Studioyacht 5y ago
That scrawny shit is the most popular kid in school- more popular than all the varsity athletes. Ever since he started roasting me, I stopped getting IOIs.
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Studioyacht 5y ago
He's very good looking, really social, involved in a lot of shit (student gov, model un, debate, mock trial, manages the football team so he's friends with all the football players), and really good at social mind games. He plays people off each other, uses what they want to manipulate them, and is overall a conniving little shit.
NotoriousSnake 5y ago
You fucked up when you said you could beat him up.
Don't make threats you won't follow through on. And if you do follow thru well you broke frame...
I would have roasted him myself but that's cause I have wit
Studioyacht 5y ago
Tried roasting him back, but that's just entering his frame: he's the master of social manipulation and wit, plus even when I did have a good roast, he already had the crowd in his pocket.
NotoriousSnake 5y ago
No. You can roast someone in your own frame. Take improv comedy classes if you wanna work on your wit
Studioyacht 5y ago
Well, see my new post. I beat him up, it backfired.
CalvinRichland 5y ago
Agree, amplify.
As a bjj guy this is classic. I always say ,"it's only gay if you smile"
friendandadvisor 5y ago
NO, don't A & A. You can't even beat his ass, and he's got you coming and going 20 ways from Sunday. You don't have the verbal chops to take him down. "He who fights and runs away..."
You are in over your head. Avoid him.
KarmicPrism 5y ago
Username checks out
Studioyacht 5y ago
The thing about him, though, is that he's able to come up with a witty response to anything I say:
When I went along with it and told him to meet up with me sometime sarcastically, he said I wasn't hot enough to turn gay for.
When I said he keeps flirting with me, he says I lack human contact to much that even roasting feels like flirting.
When I told him wrestling has lots of benefits, he told me I was still making excuses about liking to grope other men.
Et cetera.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
What kind of limp dick shit is this???
CalvinRichland 5y ago
Yeah i love groping men... blah blah blah, make up something original. Then when nobody is looking check him into a locker.
CalvinRichland 5y ago
Ok dont do that seriously though he isnt that creative just keep going.
Not hot enough for him to be gay, well you havnt seen me in my skin tight singlet all oiled up. That would change you. Just keep going. Invite him to wrestle in a friendly way. Eventually he moves on
Studioyacht 5y ago
I'll try the former. But he's smart, so he locked me into a position where I can't physically attack him without proving his point that I'm a dumb brute that will resort to physical violence.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
On one hand, if you physically attack him, you'll have proved his point.
OTOH, if you kick the shit out of him, and he starts crying, NOBODY will laugh at you again, in that little group. Fuckface will have learned a valuable lesson.
CalvinRichland 5y ago
Tell him sit on your lap for a kiss skinny twinks are your type just go to extremes and smile the whole time laugh a big genuine laugh.
Studioyacht 5y ago
I tried a variant of that, saying scrawny kids are my type. He just responds, 'well, gay dumb-as-rocks wrestlers aren't my type.' (Evn though I'm in APs).
CalvinRichland 5y ago
Yes they are you can be my oil boy get me all glistening for the show. Im thinking suplex off the top ropes maybe hit someone with a folding chair
Studioyacht 5y ago
That's a great line, but the problem is, after 2 or so rounds, he's got the crowd practically in his pocket and laughing me out of the room.
CalvinRichland 5y ago
They are only laughing if he gets under your skin which he is.
CalvinRichland 5y ago
Oh im doing an olympic sport im so lame... blah blah blah.
Studioyacht 5y ago
I mean, recently, I've decided to not even respond and ignore him with a blank face. They still laugh.