If you are here asking, you need to lift more.

Young Composer: "Herr Mozart, I am thinking of writing a symphony. How should I get started?"

Mozart: "A symphony is a very complex musical form and you are still young. Perhaps you should start with something simpler, like a concerto."

Young Composer: "But Herr Mozart, you were writing symphonies when you were 8 years old."

Mozart: "Yes, but I never asked anyone how."

To me, overall around 70 to 80% of my success is based on lifting.

• half of it is physical visual, it's like Tinder, they see you and in the first 3 seconds they decide if you're fuckable or not, that simple.

• half of it is the change it made in my inner game, I have knowledge, I have discipline, I am strong, I work hard and grind every single rep to separate myself from the rest of the herd, I defy my own instinct telling me to drop the weights and go eat pizza every single day, the work I put and the sacrifices I make it's what makes me valuable. I test myself physically and mentally every week, year round, I know what I am worth and what I deserve.

Being tall helps. Having a good face helps. You can't control these things.

A good haircut helps. Nice clothes help. Not being fat helps. Being toned helps. Inner confidence helps. You can control these things.

Stop making excuses and put some work into yourself.

Lifting hard gives you an endorphin rush that lasts all day! I see a huge difference in my mental state on off-days. On the days I lift I find myself to be more relaxed, happy, and social.

It is completely and utterly immaterial, except as regards how it changes your confidence level.

Yareally archive is your friend on this. If you just want to get laid, stop going to the gym and start actively trying to get laid (and learn game to save yourself time).

If you want a better all round life then sure, lift and earn more money AND learn game, but neither money nor lifting will get your dick wet as much as just mass approaching with some game knowledge under your belt.

If you know game to a good enough level you can be fat, ugly, dressed like shit, flat broke and have mLTRs. See Rsdtyler in his "love handles" era for details. If you have no game then all the money and muscles in the world will not help.

Most of the gym guys I know do not get laid often, at least the ones who take it seriously.

Usually because the gym doesn't tell you its not interested in fucking you.

How much do you like symmetrical, youthful women with nice tits and ass?

It's only a supplement that should increase your chances.

Got gains but no pussy = social retard

"In life, if you wanna be noticed, you gotta be a ripped cunt, a shredded cunt, you're gonna go to the gym and be a sick cunt. You're gonna fuck bitches. You're not gonna give a fuck. Because thats what we do bro. "

No excuses.

Is it ever presented as "optional"?

Having a great physique makes about 1/3 of your SMV. The other 2/3's are displays of status (alpha psychology/confidence, wealth/popularity) and your sexual capacity/prowess (sexual awareness and ability to escalate aggressively or assertively). These other guys may be capitalizing on the other two. But yes, working out builds some confidence, but mostly makes girls more physically attracted to you. If you have sex before having a great physique and after having a great physique you'll notice the difference. If you have one of the other two or both, a great physique will only increase your results. If you have none of them, building your body is an easy way to start.

I can tell you this; I was out of shape and now I'm ripped. Every single woman I've made out with post divorce takes my shirt off almost immediately. It's smooth sailing from there.

It matters. Do it, but do it for you. You'll get the same results with your physique either way, but they can sense whether it's for you or for them. It being for you is better. It's the difference between hot motivated guy and player douchebag.

Lifting helps with the QUALITY of your lays, not quantity. You can be out of shape and still get laid but it probably won't be worth your time after a while. You'd be much better off lifting rather than chasing 5s.

depends on a myriad of factors and what kind of aesthetic you have or can pull off. Here's the thing though-it's never going to HURT you to be toned and fit at the very least. Having some muscle can and will only help you in life, regardless of what aesthetic you're into. Don't get it confused and think that lifting has to be 'ripped' or 'huge' or whatever the fuck. the important thing to take away from that advice is being in shape and having some kind of definition; hardly has to be body builder status

It's not necessary. It's useful as others said for getting you on the right path but you don't need to be giant, have a 6 pack etc to get laid.

I bet most of these guys are tall and mesomorph body type. So, they don't look scrawny or fat. They need lifting less. Like women do, it seems the other men that would greatly benefit from lifting do not exist in your frame of reference.

Can a 6' tall guy that is skinny at 150 lbs great raise his attractiveness by gaining a good bit of lean muscle? Is that even a question?

If your not naturally good looking or naturally good with Women you need to lift. You'll get benefits in two areas:

Physical:

Get musclier and more defined when you lose weight. You'll look good in clothes as everything will fit you and you will be more physically imposing.

Mentally:

Sticking to a lifting program long enough to get results gives you actual experience and confidence. Because you KNOW you can, and do hard things regularly. You can walk into a room and feel confident that you are more disciplined and focused then the majority of the room. That confidence can be translated to attraction.