Intro
Growing up, like a lot of other boys, I was besieged with mixed message about sex, love, romance, and relationships. Much of what I learned could be termed "blue pill conditioning" by many in the manosphere. We all know what that means.
But I also got other messages. It's not like I did not see all sorts of red pills all day every day. In fact, I can distinctly remember noticing changes happening in music, movies, and pop culture. Perhaps the worst monstrosity was this horrific video, which for me pretty much killed the romance side of things for me. It was not aimed at me, but more the older boomer crowd, and I absolutely despised that sleazy, sweaty, vapid, cheap, disco vibe crap- and still do.
Nonetheless, I watched with horror as my whole culture around me followed suit. Songs like this abounded, in which lyrics would start out with "oooh ooh baby, let's bang in the bathroom" only to end with "la la lala ...now we're in love". (Once you notice this pattern in that era of music and beyond, you see it everywhere and you will be scarred for life like me. So be warned!)
In short, things changed. And I observed.
As this shift took place, I felt stuck in the middle. There were plenty of "Good guys" around me; never had a girlfriend, respected women, wholesome through and through. There were also plenty of "bad boys" (or wannabes), and they were all about danger and excitement - and girls. Even from this young age, they were all about pump and dump.
I was neither of these, and I have written about this before.
But throughout my life, I can distinctly recall going through a slow steady shift in the way I experienced "love". And though a combination of slow inexorable changes, punctuated by several (metaphorical) kicks in the gut, I went through roughly three stages in terms of how I engaged with women romantically.
(Disclaimer: Don't waste your time telling me that my circles are wrong. I know they are. But they are my own distinct experiences, so they are not up for debate. However, if I did not think they would resonate with at least a few of you, I would not waste my time. So "mileage may vary" on this)
In this stage there was only LOVE. For lack of a better way of putting it, in my ideal version of Love, my genitals, my chemistry, and my emotions all aligned in a way that made love feel truly special and magical.
If you have ever made love to a woman and felt transported out of your body - something akin to a spiritual rebirth sort of thing? People who have had "out of body" experiences when they were close to death, describe the feeling in a similar way. It is a surreal floating thing, and I have had the love version of this before - and it is beyond description.
But it is a very VERY dangerous feeling.
I know now that this was just my chemicals aligning with my emotions to hijack me. I felt that feeling, and knew deep down that my girl was feeling it too. And I knew I never wanted to be with another woman - and never wanted to NOT feel this feeling.
And then things changed and I woke up from my dream like state - more like I was tossed into an ice cold bath while still sleeping. Women, can't live with em...
Anyway, next....
As I entered my 20's, I learned to separate things out a bit. (Note: I am NOT saying that this is ideal, correct, or even advisable. It is just my story- so piss off with the critiques on this one.) I noticed that I could really like a woman and have a great relationship with her, but not feel that magic. And that was okay. I also noticed that women wanted sex sometimes, and nothing more, and so did I, and that was okay too.
It was in my mid-20's however, that I discovered that casual sex felt wrong to me at some level. I will never forget sleeping with this one woman my age on vacation, and thinking "I never want to feel like this again". It felt sad and depressing and empty. I felt used - yes, that's exactly how I felt. And it felt sleazy.
So I dialed that back a bit.
Then I got married.
Then I got divorced.
Then....
As of late, I have found myself in a new stage, in which I have separated out the Emotional and "spiritual" feelings of love from the other parts. I also found that I could not last with a woman in a relationship if the chemistry or sex was too far out of balance, if that makes sense. I have to have both, or the relationship is doomed. I have substituted the Chemical things for the space where the spiritual and emotional "Love" used to be.
Again, I am not advocating this nor am I saying it is a good idea, nor was it a deliberate decision. It is just one of those epiphany moments where your feelings about a thing come into clear view.
Conclusion
The moral of the story here is that, at least for me, I have found myself either subconsciously, or as a reaction to past difficulties, adopting a more sober, pragmatic view of "love". Some would call this a Red Pill Awakening, and I guess that fits. But for me, it was not simply learning what we all know to be true. It almost happened on its own. It was the women in my life who, one by one, cut the tethers between those Venn circles. Each woman had her own hand in pushing me in this direction.
And believe me when I say, I fought them every step of the way. I held onto that spiritual component like my life depended on it. But the women in my life - from sisters, to mothers, to girlfriends and almost every other single female with whom I have had contact - have taught me this:
The need for a long-term spiritual and emotional connection is a male need, not a female obligation.
Read that again and let that sink in. That is the realization with which I had to struggle the most.
Once I accepted this at the deepest level, everything became much easier. Not perfect, and certainly not easy, just easi-er. Very much so.
With that in mind, I bid you a good day brothers. And just in case you missed it, I want to point you to the post that inspired this one, from our boy /u/where_muh_good_mens.

Birthday088 5y ago
We always hear about How the Alpha Chad gets a girl easily and for free and we know how she treats a beta bucks but has there ever been an analysis on how she treats apha chad compared to the beta
MrNeurotypical 5y ago
Well, I'm autistic so this may sound awkward but spiritual and emotional connection is a uniquely neurotypical phenomenon. Love is a feeling which is actually your brain releasing oxytocin and dopamine when a hottie is present. Maybe even a little adrenaline.
There is another higher brain function that we associate with love called self actualization. It's actually at the top of maslow's hierarchy of motives. The connection you are referring to is a lower motive called sense of belonging. We are told we will reach self actualization and feel a sense of belonging by becoming a woman's slave. Isn't that fucked up?
fenix704_the_sequel 5y ago
I'm also in the spectrum, and maybe it's just because I'm relatively young, but I don't think I've ever experienced the typical romantic feelings everyone talks about. I've liked the personality of a woman, or had interests in common with her, or enjoyed how she treated me, but I've almost always been physically attracted to women over all that. I've called it love, and then attraction, but it was just moving goalposts. I feel a little guilty about that, and I wouldn't like to be so pessimistic as to dismiss the idea of love entirely, but you might have a really good point and frankly I don't know how to feel about that.
MrNeurotypical 5y ago
It depends which kind of autism you get, but in mine I don't have a lot of things that deal with autonomic emotions and rewards. Stuff like feelings, hunger, favorites, God, bonding, etc. It's fun to snort oxytocin and experience those things so you can relate to allists. I still have primal emotions like anger, fear, happy, content, etc. It causes a lot of confusion especially in therapy but once you are aware it's easy to communicate. When my therapist is like "how do you feel about x?" and I'm like "I don't feel anything about x, what are you getting at?".
fenix704_the_sequel 5y ago
I have Asperger’s. As of now, I’ve felt that butterflies in the stomach thing like a handful of times, but not too many in my life. I guess it’s just that I haven’t truly fallen in love with anyone yet? Life’s weird, man.
MrNeurotypical 5y ago
Aspergian here too. Stomach butterflies: Adrenalin does that. I've never fallen in love the way an allist would, but I've had ONEitis(idealization). I've had altruistic love for my kids and wife. I'd like to have sexual love and am working on that.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
This comment deserves gold. But alas, I refuse to pay one cent to the people who own this place.
Actually, you make a very good point. What most people refer to as "heart" "soul" and "spiritual" are really in our heads. A combination of hormones and other chemicals.
Nonetheless, there is this otherworldly aspect to love that we invent in our heads based on cultural and other influences.
So I guess my conclusion here is that I too am now autistic!
MrNeurotypical 5y ago
Thanks. It's really important for us men to tackle the psychological chains we have like love, happy ever after, women are beyond reproach, etc. I would argue that we can never truly become self-actualized until we do that.
goodmansaysfuckyou Mod 5y ago
Seems the Sheriff has some thought provoking shit today. I too was provoked and triggered.
Is it sad that Rod Stewart looks more like a sexy woman in that video than most women (then and today)? He could be an HB9 if put in a side by side.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
Haha!
Well, I guess I cannot argue with that assessment! I have an aunt who looks like him (gag).
1_dimensional_man 5y ago
Can you go into more detail here? Did marriage live up to your expectations? Isn't marriage the ideal way to forge a relationship in line with your ideals? If that failed, why?
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
No. She died a few years ago and I think it is bad form to discuss anything in detail about a person who has no way of defending herself.
For the first 15 years, yes. Then her feminist friend finally got to her. Plus hormone changes, and stress, and life, and, well you know where that led.
No. Marriage is a scam. It is legalized fraud and needs to end. It is meant only for the wealthiest of people. Not for humble simple men like me. I lost everything and when I say everything, I mean it.
One can have a house, children, partnership, fun, vacations, retirement accounts, rings, dresses, great parties and all sorts of other things without signing that contract (aka "license").
Marriage is a stupid foolish contract, and anyone who signs it deserves what he gets.
My love and effort and loyalty and love require no state-sponsored legal threats. But hey, many men DO require threats to be good. I do not.
Let's just say, she broke all of her vows except (to my knowledge) the cheating thing. But she expected me to hold to my end of the bargain. The relationship became full of double standards very quickly. And I pushed back.
She pulled a massive power play, and escalated, and I dealt the final blow (divorce). She wanted out, but she needed me to pull the trigger.
She won (I guess) but everyone else lost.
Yay Girl power!
BigBoiBahmani 5y ago
Don't expect "out of this world" experiences to sustain in "the world".
"Right time, right situation and right buttons pressed, and anyone can change. "
Learn to live and enjoy life with the dispassion that this thought brings so that you can let go when you should.
And understand that "doing things passionately is your very own nature", so don't paralyze yourself by letting dispassion grip you. These are tools, tools that should be used to fulfill your desires and needs. And those needs align with your very Id. Your hormones, emotions and instincts. They guide us. Like they guide dogs. No shame in that. That is all there is to life which is sustainable "in this world". Out of the world is only imaginable with out of the world things, i.e. God.