We have done a few of these before, but an update is in order. No big intro is necessary, so without further adieu:
He is controlling
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Meaning: He has expressed opinions regarding who I can talk to, what I should wear, girls night out, etc.
- Reality: She is engaging in behavior that is inappropriate in an exclusive committed relationship. (Frequent, girls' nights out, wearing clothing that indicates that she is seeking sexual attention, or a friendship with another man that is over the line). He has expressed his boundaries, and she sees this basic reasonable expectation as aggressive, so she calls it controlling because other women, white knights, and orbiters respond to this trigger word.
He is insecure
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Meaning: He is concerned about her behavior, and this makes her less attracted to him.
- Reality: She has engaged in behaviors that have undermined the trust in the relationship. His uncertainty about the relationship translates, in her mind, to him being insecure about HIMSELF. These feelings often come on suddenly when he finds out something that crosses the line, which can rattle even the strongest of men. At least a man who cares.
He is emotionally unavailable
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Meaning: He will not react to her tests like previous men have.
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Reality: She wants some overt indication that she has a chance to control him emotionally. Her shit test and erratic behavior is not provoking him like it has in the past. He is not acting "controlling" or "insecure" so it must be something else; because it could not POSSIBLY be her.
- (Note: When his reaction to her behavior is assertive or angry, she considers it "controlling". When his reaction is sadness or withdrawal, she considers it to be "insecurity". When he has no reaction at all, she considers it to be an emotional issue on his part.)
He is afraid of commitment
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Meaning: He will not marry her, or take next steps in that direction. (i.e. give her the social and financial status she thinks she deserves vis-à-vis other women).
- Reality: She wants her man to sign a blank check in her name, in the form of a government contract. This contract poses a massive threat to him, his wealth, and the well being of his children - not to mention all the hard work it took to get him to where he is now - and he is either having serious doubts about this, or flat our refuses to sign the contract.
I want equality
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Meaning: I want benefits and privileges regardless of merit, talent, sacrifice, or responsibility.
- Reality: She believes that reasonable standards are biased. And since they are biased, a NEW bias should be created in her favor to undo the original perceived bias.
He is a man-child/immature
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Meaning: His happiness and relaxed attitude bothers her for reasons she cannot explain.
- Reality: He is enjoying his life, and because his enjoyment involves something other than her, she resents this deeply enough to be openly nasty about it. She has heard women use the term "man child" before, so she will use it too in the hope that it will shame him into giving in to her demands. If it does not work on him, it will gain her sass points with her girls.
He is such a jerk
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Meaning: He did not treat me the way I am used to being treated by weaker men.
- Reality: He was either dismissive, crass, or simply brutally honest with her. She has no reasonable response, because there IS no reasonable response, so the only way she can handle it is to call him names that trigger other women, white knights, and orbiters to support her. (Note: Some women are secretly attracted to "jerks")
He is an incel
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Meaning: A man said something dismissive of her, or women in general. Her friends have told her (often dishonestly) that they would not date a man like this. So only a man who does not want sex could possibly say such a thing.
- Reality: An average (or below average) woman is shocked that a man (who she considers to be below average, but in reality is likely levels above her) would refuse to play by her rules; rules that only the top third of women can demand, but to which she (in her delusional state) also feels entitled.
He is a sexist/misogynist
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Meaning: A man has said something that runs counter to the feminist narrative. The only interpretation her beliefs will allow is that this is bigotry or bias; no matter the context or nuance, or how innocuous his comment. (This is not unlike when ancients were told that schizophrenics were possessed by the devil, or that common illnesses were plagues sent by god. This is all they knew at the time, so they believed it)
- Reality: She has wrapped herself so tightly in an ideology, that she cannot tell where she begins and the ideology ends (instead of "I like/follow/support feminism" she thinks "I AM a feminist") She and the ideology are one and the same, so when someone offers a reasonable criticism of any of the ideology's bad ideas, it is perceived as a deeply personal attack on HER.
That's all for now. Feel free to add your own gents.
Keep an eye out for these types of comments. They say more about the person saying them that the intended target. The projection is real!
Edit: Spelling and a few words for clarity.

twokings13 5y ago
You know or the guy could just be controlling/insecure?
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
If those terms were no so consistently and egregiously misused, like the terms "Sexist" and "Racist", you could make that point.
As it stands, it is a red flag and makes the person uttering it look like a bad person with nefarious intentions.
mgtow_shoes 5y ago
Huh. I didn't get the emotional unavailable criticism per se but my ex wanted me to be more open and communicative
Turns out I was subconsciously passing her shit tests, and the moment I verbalized my concerns and emotions regarding her alcoholism and other issues that were pretty obvious, that's when she used what I said against me. Plus I broke frame by being a pussy.
If i ever convince myself to try this relationship crap again, I'll delegate the emotional stuff to a third party. Either friends or some other person acting as a surrogate. You can't expect your partner to act as emotional support because she won't respect you for needing her help.
HeftyAdministration8 5y ago
Married people need outside same-sex friends for exactly this reason. Trying to turn a husband into a girlfriend - or a wife into a guyfriend - seldom goes well.
mgtow_shoes 5y ago
After the relationship ended my best (guy) friend told me that he didn't like the person I had turned into during that relationship. I guess the stress is noticeable even if I don't bring up any problems or say anything.
I had completely forgotten about that. Thanks for reminding me
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ALL women in America scream:
"FEMINISM IS ABOUT EQUALITY! AND MWN HAVE OPPRESSED US FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS! AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE JUST AN ANGRY INCEL WHO HURT YOU??!!??!!"
What the actual, realistic translation of this screaming is:
"WE BELIEVE TEMPORARY INCONVENIENCE IS OPPRESSION!!!! BECAUSE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT REAL OPPRESSION IS LIKE!"
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
The way I have always seen it is that the social justice types cannot tell the different between privilege and statistical advantage. There is a HUGE difference between these two things on several levels.
Also, they cannot understand how competition, merit, and standards work.
Paradoxically, the privileges and rights that others died to provide them are being undermined- and those who fought to give them every thing they now enjoy are being demonized.
In the long run, they will lose it all and the cycle will repeat.
HeftyAdministration8 5y ago
A collapse is coming. I am NOT looking forward to it. But I welcome it if it means a return to sanity at the social level.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
Life tends to work that way. In the long run this will most certainly collapse. it is inevitable.
[deleted] 5y ago
"He wants commitment"
Add to that - she wants unfettered control over and access to his resources for her use. He will not give that control over to her.
"He is such a jerk/asshole" - He will not do what I asked him to do, I can't rely on him, he doesn't care about me or what I want or think or need, he cares only about himself
warlocc_ 5y ago
The "equality" thing always drives me nuts. Few women actually want real equality.
Much like the "pay gap" myth, many want the same benefits while contributing far less. I know it from experience.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
Exactly. This one has been deboonked several ways to Sunday. Still persists.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
I was channeling 4chan on that one. But yeah, that sounds like a Scottish accent!
BigBoiBahmani 5y ago
Finally a good fucking post. Thanks.
Also :
"I didn't feel the emotional connection."
Meaning : I didn't want anything more than a free meal.
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"I love him but I am not in love with him."
Meaning : The guy who I thought was an Alpha turned out to be a Beta. I will be sucking on his resources until a better prospect presents itself then I will swing away.
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"I felt the connection but we weren't compatible so I had to end it."
Meaning : I got pumped and dumped.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
Great additions.
jc0187 5y ago
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Noogisms 5y ago
I tried explaining to my former stripper friend why nobody wanted to date her long-term: when you put yourself in an environment where the best decision is still a bad decision, you're gonna have a bad time.
jc0187 5y ago
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Noogisms 5y ago
My friend has a kid whom she "home schools" (aka Minecraft) — while herself still a child — and she was on some rant about how stripping allowed her to be free and provide for her kid in the best way she knew how to... but that she'd rather be traveling the world still and that she acknowledged that her lifestyle was "expensive."
I told her then and there that her priorities were all wrong and it was obvious to me and her kid — what happens when he finds out how you bought all those computer games for him? What happens when he finds out he can't afford college because you like nice cars and owning dozens of e$oteric pet$?
jc0187 5y ago
Oh man! Best of luck to her kid. Sounds like he or she is going to have a rough upbringing.
Noogisms 5y ago
When he needs a safe space to run away to, I will lend a listening ear... which is her worst nightmare.
I already had to help grandpa check mommy into mental health, once already.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
Send him here. This will wake him up and give him some perspective.
jc0187 5y ago
Oh man.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
Thanks for the perfect real-world example.
We know of what we speak!
jc0187 5y ago
I wish I wasn’t the example. But it is what it is. I try to be the reason for all my male friends to 1. Never have kids, it just ties you down to someone who can now control every facet of their lives now and 18+ years in the future. 2. Never get married. It’s a complete scam for men. They will lose out, every single time.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
Oh, trust me my friend - most men here are "The example" of one or more of these stories. That's why we're here!
You nailed it perfectly.
I encourage you to share your story one day. A few men here have opened up and it is pretty powerful. Some of the mods here are among the best men you will ever know.
Good news is - you are free now!
And that's a good ending to just about any story!
jc0187 5y ago
Awe thanks brother!! I appreciate your kind words!!
goodmansaysfuckyou Mod 5y ago
I second u/deeplydisturbed1 's suggestion that you format and tell your story here at WATGMA. Knowing that I was not alone in this wilderness of estrogen insanity has been a big help to me and sharing not only helps others but helps me/you as well.
Check out the sidebar for the rules and what is expected. Feel free to message the mods if you need assistance.
jc0187 5y ago
Alright thanks! I’ll give it a thought and perhaps I will share my story. It happened nearly three years ago, but, sadly, talking about it still helps.
goodmansaysfuckyou Mod 5y ago
Mine was nuked in 2017. I have mostly healed (thanks in part to this sub and the guys here), but I still bear the wounds. Some cuts and sores don't heal with time nor with age.
Regardless of what you choose to do or share...welcome to the club. You are in good company here.
jc0187 5y ago
Holy fuck! Mine was nuked in 2017 too!!
jc0187 5y ago
I’m currently writing my story down and I’ll post it soon.
jc0187 5y ago
Wow! Is this your story? That is fucking incredible!! I cannot fathom the crap you and your kids went through. As I read your story, I found myself getting angry and sad, at the same time. I hope things have gotten better for you since then.
goodmansaysfuckyou Mod 5y ago
Yep, that is me. Not sure exactly how I survived it but things are much better now.
jc0187 5y ago
It’s a rather amazing and tragic story. I’m glad it all worked out for you. It’s so fucked up that is guys have literally zero support from the courts and law enforcement when it comes to domestic violence. It’s incredible that you went through so much just to get the courts to see your side. It literally took blood and bruises to convince them. All women have to do is utter the right words and wamm! They immediately have support. No evidence needed.
goodmansaysfuckyou Mod 5y ago
Don't forget:
He is happy in his life and career and won't take my nagging to heart and try to make more money, fame, or whatever. I must be able to one up my friends and he isn't cooperating with my plan to spend more than them.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
Ha! Sure
All my exes were abusive
Meaning: He disagreed with me, so I feel "abused" because my friends say that sad feelings are a sign of abuse.
fenix704_the_sequel 5y ago
Darn. Reading things like this is a huge wake-up call. I lack experience with women, but when female nature is fully exposed like these posts usually do, it just makes me anxious about any future interactions with women. I don’t want to be taken advantage of, but I’ll not exactly the most social guy, so I guess I wouldn’t be one to call the attention of too many women anyway, but when the situation has gotten to that point, the possibility of meeting a truly loyal and respectful woman just seems impossible these days. Keep fighting the good fight, guys.
BigBoiBahmani 5y ago
Also while we are discussing womanese, here is my essay on why women do this:
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Humans are meant to survive and replicate. And do that in the easiest way they can. And all the actions, behaviors and frameworks only need to be effective at their purpose of existence. They don't need to be fair, or logical. They only need to be effective.
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As Rollo says, men process life through the route of instinct->reasoning->emotion. Whereas women process life by the route of instinct->emotion->reasoning.
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What this means is that the way women work is that their life and decisions makes use of limbic systems are much, much more than us men. While making a decision, we rationalize and argue about it with ourselves, which is where our egos manipulate us so easily. Which is why, we are able to lie to ourselves so easily, especially when we want our mental models and way of living life to hold true, even if we know it will bite us in the ass because it is bad mental model. We want it to hold true so that we don't have to face the reality that we were wrong and that our whole lives and experiences and the way we used to process and register things was wrong. We want it to hold true so that our mind doesn't doubt its own ability to live and survive.
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Whereas women, their decision making heavily relies on their limbic systems, and that system is heavily inclined towards solipsism. They can't risk being wrong, as they cannot survive on their own, and her pregnancy and the kids from it need protection. Therefore, it doesn't need logic, and it doesn't need to conform with being fair. It just needs to be effective, effective at making women's decisions comply with her innate solipsism (Survival and replication as Mystery used to put it). Her innate solipsistic limbic brain can also and will straight up lie and can act even on cognitive dissonance, it all just needs to be effective and align with maximizing her survival and replication/Hypergamy. Right now, society, governments and women themselves help women with their survival/beta bucks side. Which is a meta ultra shit test for men, and a good womanese system that has been developed.
Women hate taking personal responsibility. Because in the caveman days, if women made a mistake and if it was evident to everyone, they got booted from the tribe. And we can all understand that women couldn't survive alone in those days, so they have developed very sophisticated means of hiding their mistakes and avoid personal responsibility, which is also controlled heavily by the limbic system as well. Which is why it comes natural to them. Men can afford pushing through hard times. Women can't. They got kids and pregnancy which makes them very vulnerable. This is why war bride dynamics exists, and this is why you can only trust on women on one thing, which is to act like a woman. They developed these systems to save themselves, well you know, you do what you gotta do. Don't hate them for it. Just know that this exists.
[deleted] 5y ago
This is great. Consider the following concepts:
Women evolved to manipulate because it was the only way to get men to do what they want. The men they manipulate could, and still can, kill them with their bare hands. A woman can't possibly use brute force to get a man to do what she wants or bend to her will. To get him to do what she wants, she has to either (1) manipulate him with wit, wiles, shame, charm, and pussy; or (2) get bigger, stronger men to make him do it.
We started out with (1), and that worked for millennia.
In the 1950s and 60s through to today, society has added (2) to the mix.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
This is a solid piece. You should consider posting it as a stand alone post on this sub. You will get some advice on how to make it even better. Take that advice and make the tweaks.
BigBoiBahmani 5y ago
I will. Pretty soon. I will add some other things to it as well which I couldn't here because of the narrow context of communication.
[deleted] 5y ago
Right, these could all be true, but if a woman says this, don't automatically assume the opposite.
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
These comments are crafted very specifically for this community.
Overwhelmingly, except for a few outliers and lurkers, the men here have had one or more of these sorts of comments/accusations aimed at them.
So you are not wrong - there ARE abusive men out there, so abuse does happen and women are right to say so.
That being said, my default assumption is that the men here are good. Especially in this particular sub.
So I trust that they know the difference.
polakfury 5y ago
This is gold OP. Thanks so much
DeeplyDisturbed1 5y ago
I just made a few edits for clarity.
And thanks