Paula was an unabashed heightist. She belonged to a tall club, where women needed to be at least 5’10” and men 6’2”. Paula was 5’10”, 32, and was attractive. She modeled in High School and in her first year of college. From the neck up, I would say an 8.5-8.8. She had a very pretty face, and she was very easy on the eyes. From the neck down was another story. Typical for a tall girl, not much in the breast department. Her body I would rate –C, for she didn’t have much of a waist and her butt was sort of there, but nothing exceptional.
This didn’t stop Paula from telling me all about her relationships with men 6’ plus, knowing I was 5’8”. Paula would only look at men 6’ plus, and most of her talk about the man centered on his height. One day, I met Paula and her latest man. He was either in his late 40’s or early 50’s, had about 50/50 black and grey hair. He was about 6’1”. I met Paula a few days later, and she gushed on how great he was. Over time she sensed that something was not right in the relationship, so she hired a private investigator to check him out. The investigator told Paula he had another girl friend, and he had a sex offense on his record. Paula was devastated. She told me this when I saw her with her girlfriends while I was out clubbing.
I ran into Paula sometime later, and she was over the moon. Her latest man, she named Baby Beef. He was 6’7” and was 26. She went on how being next to him made her feel so feminine and safe. All the time talking about his height to me, knowing I am 5’8”. It didn’t take time for this relationship to fall apart, for it was based upon her obsession of height. So I was not surprised 2 months later when it did. And as in the other failed relationship, she was down in the dumps. I met her in a bar we both liked, and I could see how depressed she was.
Months later, I ran into here again. And again she had a new man, somewhere in the 6’4” range. I think she met him at the tall club as she did the 6’7” guy. She was ecstatic. He was 6’4”, what more could you want in a relationship than that? And just as what had happened in the previous relationships, it came to a crashing end. And again, Paula was depressed. I bought her a drink, and she told me that she thought that the reason her relationships failed was that she was too INTIMIDATING. I wanted to tell her that I thought the reason the relationships failed was that she was a broke secretary, out of shape, whose only qualification for a man was to be 6’ or taller. And that height does not guarantee a relationship will last any more than if you only dated people with freckles. You need to judge a man by his character, not his inseam. You have to like each other, like being with each other, respect differences, and much, much more. But to Paula, height was the most important thing, everything else was trivial.
I knew Paula for about 2 ½ years and there were more failed relationships. And she was not taking it well. The last time I ever saw her was at the bar I first met her at, and she must have gained 40 pounds in the last 6 months. I felt sorry for her, but she just wouldn’t change. You would have thought years of failures would prompt a new dating plan, but not Paula. She needed a tall man, no matter what.

silly_birb 5y ago
Women have no introspection, Paula will never change.
The common female tactic is to go for the men that are preselected by others as "genetically fit" and give all of the sex she can to lock one down.
When all attempt failed, are old and fat then they will "settle" because this allows wome to be the easy side chick of that 6ft guy that has to deal with his wife demands for more money.
neverendingplush 5y ago
I'm 5'7. Never realized until i started dating the issue with height . It was actually until i was 22 that i noticed it was a big deal to women. I still to this day don't see how height determines a man's overall attractiveness.but that's just me
mustangfrank 5y ago
A person here said women used height as a measuring contest between other women. The taller the man, the more self worth the woman feels. It make zero sense, but that is how they think. I am 5'8". All the best relationships I have had have been with girls 5'7" and 5'8". I didn't plan it that way. That is how it turned out. If you are good looking tall women will over look that.
WhiskyTangledFoxtrot 5y ago
Also from experience may I just add that short men are the world's best kept secret. Please don't tell Paula!
mustangfrank 5y ago
I wish more women were like you.
AK-47_Gardening 5y ago
Y'know as a short guy (5'7") I'm happy that these heightist women ignore me. Their loss for not dating a fit, 130IQ, financially stable dude and I don't have to deal with a moron.
mustangfrank 5y ago
I feel sorry for the taller dudes, for these POS women go for them. The men, only later, find out what POS they are i.e. divorce rape, etc.
WhiskyTangledFoxtrot 5y ago
Great storytelling!
PM_NudesSilVousPlait 5y ago
r slash Darwin Award
Miserable-Lemon 5y ago
Reminds me of a waitress I worked with for a while. The height of a man was the only thing she cared about. Like your story, she never found "The one" because her insane 6'2" minimum ensured that 95% of men went under her radar
mustangfrank 5y ago
I like happy endings.
Great_husky_63 5y ago
If you do not know yourself or what you want in life or people, it is easier to just make up some checklist like heigt, weight, etc.
Income or credit score, that could work depending on age and tax bracket.
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5’4” Korean-American here. I’ve been pretty much invisible to women my entire life. My de facto role has been that of comic relief along with all the other “by default” roles typically fulfilled by nice guys.
I’ve had a couple relationships in my 34 years of life but once I discovered the red pill, my outlook on life completely changed.
Sadly, there are many Paulas out there. Their epiphany comes far too late - if ever.
Groundbreaking_Tax52 4y ago
I’ve met Paula-esque women with similar expectations when it comes to height, but who were 5’2.
OddPhilosopher1 5y ago
I sympathize hard with this, brother. Been there, done that.
mustangfrank 5y ago
I just finished up revising a post I created 2 year ago. Please read.
HEIGHTISM: THE ONE ISM FEMINISM IGNORES
Where are the feminists’ outrage on heightism? Why aren’t the streets clogged by thousands of women wearing pussy hats demanding the end to this form discrimination? Why is it that feminist have absolutely no issue with demonstrating for equal pay, or against sexism or racism? But heightism? Not a word. How strange that women, who actually have total control of this form of discrimination, remain silent on it and do nothing to stop it, and some are actually vocal proponents of it.
Proof of this is easily found. All one needs to do is visit any online dating site and read women’s personal ads. Height requirements of men are listed openly and proudly so. No attempt to hide this discrimination what so ever. But if a man were to state his size preference of a woman’s breasts, hips or weight in his ad, it would be pulled from the site, immediately. This man would be lectured by women telling him that women of all sizes, shapes and colors are beautiful. How strange that women don’t apply that to men of all sizes, shapes and colors?
Discrimination based upon height, something a man has no control over, not a word from the fairer sex, nor any action. Any woman who mocks, insults or demeans a man based upon his height, is as much responsible for imposing oppressive norms of toxic masculinity onto men as a man who does the same to other men. If toxic masculinity exists, it is imposed by society and society means people of all genders, not just men. BTW Why isn’t this behavior by women considered bullying? Wouldn’t this bullying be defined as a part of Toxic Femininity? Women are just fine with this discrimination and their lack of words and actions show how hypercritical and shallow they are.
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mustangfrank 5y ago
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withrowsprings 5y ago
(going off my usual track here)
I can certainly understand women of height 5'10" who wants a 6' foot tall guy. The dissonance comes from girls who are themselves 5'0" -5'4" who still wants a 6' foot tall guy. Girl why don't you settle for a 5'7"?
MHGEyoutube 4y ago
Sad thing is her kids gonna be short more than less likely. I think they inherit that from the mom
mustangfrank 5y ago
I call BS. Why is height so important? Who gives a s*it? If she dated a man 2 inches shorter what happens? Does the world end? Men date women a foot shorter, and no one says a thing.
[deleted] 5y ago
sexual dimorphism matters. men are 7% taller than women on average, and a man's height is relevant to his role as protector and provider.
it is completely reasonable, along evolutionary lines, for women to select men taller than themselves, in the same way it is reasonable for women to choose men smarter and stronger than themselves (and that's also a trend we see).
But there should obviously be limits to how selective women should be, otherwise it will upset the balance of partners and reproduction in society. As mentioned, men are 7% taller than women on average, so mother nature has already given a hint to women as to what their standards should be.
mustangfrank 5y ago
The flaw in your argument is that is it in the DNA. So if women wanted tall strong men, these same men mated with women who were not overweight. Food was limited, so no one was fat or flabby. Thus, it is in the DNA of men to want thin fit women. So why then, can’t men demand women be thin a fit, because it is in their DNA, just as women want tall men because it is in their DNA?
converter-bot 5y ago
2 inches is 5.08 cm
mustangfrank 5y ago
withrowsprings 5y ago
boyfriends height is a dick measuring contest for women...
mustangfrank 5y ago
except there is no relationship to dick length to height.
craftor708 5y ago
I think you misunderstood what he was saying.
Boyfriends height is one of the stupid measures women use to compete with each other. It’s an incredibly vain and shallow way for one bitch to say to another: "I’m better than you".
Makes 0 logical sense and has no relation to whether someone is better or not, but they don’t care. They choose it as an obvious sign of superiority because 1) they want how good their man is to be a reflection of them (it isn’t) and 2) they need that indicator to be visible without explaining it so they don’t look (too obviously) vain and shallow
MHGEyoutube 4y ago
Lol I bet they'd feel dumb as fuck if the short 5'8 guy knocked the taller dude out (mike tyson vs Lennox Lewis fight 2)
mustangfrank 5y ago
Sadly, you are correct.
I have known a married couple for 20 years. He is 6'2". He had to go into the hospital for 3 days. She writes in her Facebook account,"I'm to happy to get my 6'4" husband back home." Why 6'4" instead of 6'2"? We all know a man 6'4" is better than a man 6'2". This makes sense if you have a hamster calling the shots.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
Why IS height so important? Seems to be to you as well.
Tall women in America get teased ruthlessly. I’m 5’8”. I’ve had to hear comments all my life.
As I said, I’m 5’8” and I’d date down to probably 5’6. Society is shitty to men and women on this issue, just for opposite reasons.
Groundbreaking_Tax52 4y ago
The difference is men would still date a 5’8 woman. Women avoid guys that are 5’7 and below like they’re the plague. I also don’t really see women getting teased for being tall as much as men are bullied for being short. Just look at the suicide rates; I think the figure is that short men are 2.5 times more likely to commit suicide. That says all you need to know.
ApprehensiveMail8 5y ago
With all due respect, I'm exactly 5'-6" and if we were to date, you would not be dating "down", ma'am.
And sorry, but I must decline as I'm already married "up" to a wonderful woman whose stature does not define her.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
Nope, I wouldn’t at all!!
I’ve stated my height is an issue, for me.
If I was like 5’1”, I couldn’t cate less about the height if the guy I’m with.
Being 5’8” with a guy being less than 5’6” makes me feel awkward. Is it wrong? Maybe.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
I also didn’t mean “date down” as an insult.
It’s not dating down. Just meant dudes shorter than me. I don’t consider it lesser.
ApprehensiveMail8 5y ago
Retraction accepted. Thank you.
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Women think height is important because a shorter man makes them feel like a giant, and physically insecure. Like, if there's a physical confrontation or danger, he will be unable to protect her.
Girls like men who are taller than they are because they like "feeling small" next to a larger man. This is really important to girls.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
I can see that, for sure.
So, we need to work on crushing stereotypes that tall men = security, yes?
[deleted] 5y ago
that will never happen. Women's desire for men bigger and taller than they are is deeply ingrained and instinctual in women.
I have been suggesting that women shouldn't harp constantly about sex being so dangerous, when it isn't - all the risks have been eliminated or neutralized. That hasn't stopped women from bleating all the time about how sex is sooooo risky and dangerous.
If we can't get rid of women's alleged "risks of sex", we can't get rid of women's demand for bigger and taller men.
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Comment removed for debating.
Debate isn’t allowed here.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
Thanks for proving my point. I’ll enjoy the screenshot.
mustangfrank 5y ago
5'8"is not tall at all.
GF 1 5'8" GF2 5'7" Wife 1 5' 7.5" Wife 2 5'7"
None of these ever complained about being teased. I, when I was younger, never did.
If anything, the idea height for a girl should be 5'9". Tall, but not too tall.
I am here to tell you. If you were 6'8", I would approach you. I just don't give a s*it how tall the girl is.
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Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
I appreciate your comment.
I’m so sorry you were treated so poorly. I am indeed older, being born in the last third of Gen X. I grew up in the blue collar-sort-of-middle-class in the suburbs of a very large city. My mom was a medical biller and my dad was an electrician.
What kids tease you about is weird. I have an hourglass shape. I’ve always had a big butt, hips, and thighs as all the women on that side of my family did. I’m white and when I was growing up, white girls were supposed to not have curves. Now, it’s being praised as a beauty standard.
I’m really not trying to discount what guys here are saying about their experiences. People can be cold and kids are fucking ruthless. I guess I get annoyed when I see all this blaming about how women don’t give guys “like them” a chance because they are short, ugly, whatever and then sit here and say some of the most disgusting shit about women I’ve heard and I’ve heard a lot. While you can’t force attraction, it is something that can grow but it doesn’t come overnight and it requires work. I was with a guy for 4 years that when I met him, he wasn’t my type. Our relationship grew and we ended up together. The end of our relationship was on him, not me. I broke up with him because he was telling his ex “I love you.”
Discrimination in the workplace for any reason is just plain wrong. If you’re judging your ideal candidate based on looks, unless you’re a modeling agency, you’re a shitty business.
I definitely don’t buy into the full on complaining about “male privilege”. I’ve had and do have some amazing men in my life and I’ve never heard how it helped them. Being pro women doesn’t mean you get to shit all over men. If we want to talk about some societal bias, there is evidence that men will get hired more than women, especially for certain positions in certain fields.
If you have any stories you’d like to talk about, I’m always willing to listen.
Shortest guy I ever dated was 5’7”.
I appreciate the civil conversation on this thread. I don’t comment very much because I don’t want guys to think I’m encroaching in their space and I don’t want to be downvoted and told how wrong I am just because I’m a woman and there’s no way I could understand.
[deleted] 5y ago
No, it cannot grow from nothing. If you have to work at being attracted to someone, it's not worth it. Attraction is either there or it is not. If it's not there, no amount of work will grow it.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
For some people, maybe. I won’t judge that.
I will say that I did and I can only go by my life experience.
[deleted] 5y ago
Nearly all people can't grow attraction from nothing.
Your experience is not anywhere close to the norm.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
Do you have a source I can read?
Thanks.
[deleted] 5y ago
Do you not think that some men have those opinions of women because of the way they're treated by women for their looks or height to begin with? And if we're going to focus on who is the greater of the two evils: does what men think or say really compare to what women are doing to them in response to men's physical appearance?
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
Do I think some guys have been treated badly and horrible by women? Sure. Humans suck and they can be cruel.
Do I think it’s an excuse for guys to talk about how women should have no rights, be sex slaves, and forced to procreate against their will? Absolutely not.
If people could be honest with themselves, there is always a bit of truth to the things they say. It’s not about blowing off steam. People don’t say shit they don’t find a nugget of truth in. And when I read comments about the horrible things they think about women or what they want to do with them, I believe it because on some level they do as well. It’s never a positive thing like “Oh, I want to find a good woman to settle down with.” It’s always something horrible and extreme. Since I don’t know these guys in real life, I have to take them at their word that that’s how they feel and want to act. Definitely no upside for wanting to engage.
Edit: What exactly are women DOING to these guys physically? Or are we talking about things they say?
[deleted] 5y ago
No one here is saying anything of the kind.
[deleted] 5y ago
Subjecting the men in the same league as them to unfair rules. Namely, seeking men who are above their league while leaving behind the men in their own. Women can do this because men do the approaching and women do the choosing.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
Okay, but how many of those women get LTR out of that situation and not used for sex?
It works both ways.
[deleted] 5y ago
I'm not sure which women you're talking about. Women have the option of entering into an LTR with a man on her level, below it, or even slightly above it most of the time. Or, she can enter into a polyamorous relationship.
If a woman below 5/10 in looks ever needs an LTR, her looksmatch is effectively waiting for her.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
So, are we talking about people having hypocritical double standards? Because that goes both ways.
Look at the band Fall Out Boy. Most of them are short, not conventionally attractive (except for Pete Wentz) and they seem to do alright.
Anyone is allowed to have standards. I understand if guys don’t want to date me because I’m not short and petite. I’m 5’8” and 170 and while I wear it VERY well (read: the right places) I understand if guys don’t want to date me if they don’t think I’m feminine enough.
You can’t really choose who you’re attracted to. Does it suck? Sure. Over time, can you become attracted to someone who typically you aren’t attracted to? Absolutely!! I’ve done it myself.
[deleted] 5y ago
Your experience is not something men should count on. Your experience is not common.
Don't come in here selling men your false hope bullshit.
[deleted] 5y ago
What I'm talking about will inevitably overlap with that, since if women who are 5'2" are demanding men who are 6'0", then that is hypocritical despite the fact men tend to be slightly taller anyway. But it's not -exactly- what I meant.
I'm talking more along the lines of objective, reasonable standards in who women select to date. If he is in the top 1% of men in facial attractiveness, we should uphold a dating system where the only women who can expect to land him are also in the top 1%. It gets messy in reality, however, due to other confounding factors like income, height, personality, education. He might just have a soft spot for a particular woman who's in the top 10% rather than the top 1%, so she gets lucky, and so on. But what I'm referring to are the rules that set the trend for the average person, barring out exceptional or fringe cases.
So unattractive men need to be in a famous boy band to expect to get attention?
For the most part, the dating market is dictated by women's standards.
If you grant that, then it's women's standards that come under moral scrutiny. This is reflected in the fact that women have options -- they can choose who to date, and if they can't get who they want, they can simply offer sex to men who are taken or enter into polyamorous relationships, which are overwhelmingly 1 man multiple women arrangements. Having choice is a consequence of having power, and with power comes responsibility. If I make choices, I am responsible for the outcome.
Here you're obfuscating the issue - in dating, there's 2 commodities: sex and relationships/commitment/companionship. We're talking about men here who cannot get either. There's no such thing as women who can't get the former, because they are the ones who have that commodity in stock and trade. And even if there are men who's standards you don't meet, there's an endless supply of those for whom you do, and it's you who decides if they date you or not.
mustangfrank 5y ago
WAATGM is not like FDS. You play the the rules, you can post your view.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
I appreciate it. Thank you.
Appropriate_Deer5129 5y ago
I'm curious to know if you were teased by men or by women or both. I have never heard of men teasing women for being tall. As a matter of fact, i have never heard of women being teased because of height full stop.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
Both. Goodness, especially in junior high.
SniffyClock 5y ago
That’s just weird to me cause tbh, I don’t really consider your height to be tall.
Take that with a grain of salt though cause I’m nearly a foot taller than you and have a thing for super tall (my height) women.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
I’m not crazy tall but the average woman’s height is 5’4” in the US. Compound puberty and I was towering over my classmates.
I never had the 6’ rule though. I would date a 5’6” guy. I feel really self conscious around guys shorter than that because I just expect to get teased again.
SniffyClock 5y ago
Same. I was always the tallest in school. Broke 6’ around the time I entered middle school.
Why even care what other people think though? I know damned well I’d get shit for this, but if I could find a woman taller than me I’d be all fucking over it. Regrettably, tallest I’ve ever dated was only 6’2”.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
It’s my hang up because I don’t want to be with someone way shorter than me because I don’t want to get teased for being an Amazon again. Yes, it’s my personal issue.
Appropriate_Deer5129 5y ago
You know what, I'm gonna call bullshit on what you are saying. Women do not get "teased ruthlessly" for their height. The only time i could see a woman getting teased is if she is like a dwarf or something. Proof that women don't get teased for their height is the fact that there is no anti-height shaming movement for women. You seem like one of those people who must always make women out to be victims even though observable reality goes against your narrative.
mustangfrank 5y ago
HEIGHTISM: THE ONE ISM FEMINISM IGNORES
Where are the feminists’ outrage on heightism? Why aren’t the streets clogged by thousands of women wearing pussy hats demanding the end to this form discrimination? Why is it that feminist have absolutely no issue with demonstrating for equal pay, or against sexism or racism? But heightism? Not a word. How strange that women, who actually have total control of this form of discrimination, remain silent on it and do nothing to stop it, and some are actually vocal proponents of it.
Proof of this is easily found. All one needs to do is visit any online dating site and read women’s personal ads. Height requirements of men are listed openly and proudly so. No attempt to hide this discrimination what so ever. But if a man were to state his size preference of a woman’s breasts, hips or weight in his ad, it would be pulled from the site, immediately. This man would be lectured by women telling him that women of all sizes, shapes and colors are beautiful. How strange that women don’t apply that to men of all sizes, shapes and colors? Why doesn’t a man who is 5’2” get t same respect from women as a man 6’2”? This from the sex that demands equal treatment at every opportunity.
Any woman who mocks, insults or demeans a man based upon his height, is as much responsible for imposing oppressive norms of toxic masculinity onto men as a man who does the same to other men. If toxic masculinity exists, it is imposed by society and society means people of all genders, not just men. BTW Why isn’t this behavior by women considered bullying? Wouldn’t this bullying be defined as Toxic Femininity? Women are just fine with this discrimination and their lack of words and actions show how hypercritical and shallow they are.
[deleted] 5y ago
Yeah I agree with this. But the only women who are teased ruthlessly for their height are VERY tall women, like 6' and up, or very short women, like under 4'9" or something like that.
If you're under 6 feet, the only thing that happens to these women is that their dating pools are severely limited. They have to accept dating shorter men.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
Bro she needs her validation and there’s plenty of simps around to give it to her.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
I’m not making myself out to be a victim at all, any more than OP is.
I can tell you I’ve heard my share of being an Amazon. Teasing girls for their height isn’t new.
Appropriate_Deer5129 5y ago
You got called an Amazon and you took that in a negative way? I was right, you do have a victim hood mentality.
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
Yes. Amazon is NOT a positive compliment for a woman. Where did you get that idea?
Appropriate_Deer5129 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons
Brynn_and_black_cats 5y ago
Yeah, the history lesson is great, thanks, but, being called an Amazon as a woman is not complimentary. You can deny it all you like.
blaze92x45 5y ago
Idk I hear muscle girls are in now.
Appropriate_Deer5129 5y ago
OK.........
[deleted] 5y ago
5'10 guy here. Tallest girl I ever kissed was 6'3. Dated a few girls as tall or taller than me, never had an issue. There are probably a lot of girls avoiding me because of my height, but that is just the trash taking out itself in my opinion.
Girls with a certain intelligence will not care all that much. You are born with your height and cannot influence it. It might be "nice to have" but should never be prioritized because it tells the girl nothing about you as a person. With regards to the post, I have to conclude that this Paula character as well as women sharing her outlook, are dumb as sh*t (sorry if she is/was your friend).
This is also precisely why I understand men (and women for that matter) not wanting to date obese people a lot better than this height BS. A fat girl tells me a lot about herself just by being fat (lack of discipline, hedonism, laziness).