Flowing Honey | TheRedPill

Last week I go to a friend's birthday party at a bar. While my plate was somewhere else in the bar hanging out with her friends, I noticed two girls sitting in the birthday person's section. Quickly I tapped my buddy's shoulder and he knew the deal. We said hello to them and made ourselves comfortable on the edges of the couch, bookending the girls.

Learning from a EC's comment not long ago, my girl was a 1. (HB5-10 ranking can be mental masturbation. Either you fuck {i.e, 1} or you don't {0}.) Her presentation didn't make me exactly ecstatic to talk to her but I did notice a few minutes into talking to her our knees were touching.

That's not by accident, buddy, a voice said in my head.

I leaned into her and landed my hand on her knee. She didn't budge. Good sign.

Her girlfriend wasn't feeling it, stood up, announced their departure. I got my target's contact and hugged her good night. Went home with my plate.

A couple days later I check in with her.

Me: Hey (nickname for her) you get home okay that night?

Her: Yea thanks for asking. How was the rest of the night?

Me: Boring, just hookers and cocaine.

Her: lol

Then a couple days later.

Me: Let's get drinks sometime. I'm free next Fri.

Her: Sure what time and what area were you thinking?

Me: 10pm. I think (neighborhood) is our midpoint. You live alone?

Her: That's too late for me. And no.

Me: k

Driving Philosophy #1: Soft next, wait for the raise. I'm not going to contact her again. If she contacts me, she has to up the ante if she does want to meet. Either she lives with roommates (definitely not with parents) and she invites me over to her place or she invites herself over to mine. Drinks at a bar in the "midpoint area" is out of question now, but a bar next to one of our homes works.

Driving Philosophy #2: Ask if she lives alone. That's pretty much code for "I want to do you at your place." If she's down, she'll let you know. If she has roommates, she'll let you know they're cool. If she's not into you, she'll be slow to respond, won't provide details (like mine did above) or just won't reply at all.

Also I always prefer going to a new girl's place to do the deed. Because I have the option of leaving whenever I want, she's in my frame. LMR? I'm out. I just came? I'm jumping back into my clothes. One too many shit tests? Fuck that, she can either get on her knees to stop me or I'm out. I've spent enough nights with my dick as hard as a multi-variable calculus final exam with the chick's naked body cuddling me. We're either bumping ugly's quickly or I'll sleep comfortably in my own bed alone.

Driving Philosophy #3: First meet is always late Friday night. My schedule doesn't allow a late weeknight, and Saturday nights I reserve for friends. Either meet me at a time that works for me or don't meet at all. (Or make it worthwhile for me, which I explicitly demand.) It's another sign if she's into me or not.

Driving Philosophy #4: There's always one. If I go out, there's always one target to hit on, get a little kino in, get her contact. I wasn't exactly on the prowl, since I knew my plate would be there. But I knew it was a Saturday night, so I had to be prepared. It doesn't matter what kind of social activity it is. Networking events (not really shitting where I eat, it hardly affects my bread), happy hours, birthday parties, weddings, or just enjoying a scotch by myself, you name it. If I go out twice a week, which I usually do, that's 100 girls a year. Always be engaging, friendly and positive.

Driving Philosophy #5: This isn't important. Once you have a system down, stop thinking about it. I remind myself with other questions like: how can I advance my career, how can I make more money, how can I enjoy life more, how can I get more fit, so on. Is my sexual strategy perfect? Of course not. But given my currently mediocre SMV, there's really not much I can do now. Focus on yourself, the honey will flow.

Edited for grammar and clarity.

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valentinfaust 8y ago

I did the same thing when I got the same situation.She won’t recall you but as you said it’s okay. Congrats mate.

Mr-Ed209 8y ago

She nexted you because you fucked up.

I like your thinking on going to her place, however doing that leaves a lot of logistics etc out of your control. You could vibe and Mack on in the bar, head back to her place and her roommate is chilling with friends etc. All of a sudden it's a no go and she's pushing you out with excuses she has to get up early etc.

You have to think it through from the end game backwards. What we're you expecting asking her to meet at 10pm and if she lives alone? You meet in some bar close to kicking out time and she just takes the initiative to invite you back to her place.. not likely to happen is it.

The do you live alone was too forward and spooked her, and 10pm just confirms that you're after a hook up. This is where a lot of RP advice is too agressive. Yes if you were Brad Pitt she would have said yes... But your not so she didn't. But chances are if you played things correctly she still would have enthusiastically said yes come the end of the night.

Don't meet in the middle with girls. Your best plan would have been to choose a bar close to your place. Meet at say 8pm for drinks. If after 2 drinks you're not feeling it you can just go home, no real loss. If you get signals you invite her back to check out your stamp collection or whatever contrived BS you can think of.

Bear-With-Bit 8y ago

After ten years of trying your way, I dared myself to step it up, go for the ridiculous. You try it my way, son. No more dates. Fuck her on the zero date.

OnlyCuriosity 8y ago

i could be wrong, but the "do you live alone?" text seems like it could come across as creepy to a lot of girls

oosnakeoo 8y ago

When I want this kind of information, I usually try to drag it out of her by explaining my situation first and it prompts them to respond with the same.

morexel 8y ago

This is exactly why he's posting here. He made a mistake (he may not realize that though). It's either needy, creepy, or socially unaware. She nexted him.

sedaak 8y ago

I think it can be taken both ways and is effective in this situation. Depends on his presentation.

JamesSkepp 8y ago

A better question to start with would be "who do you live with?". It's innocent and ambiguous and it still gives her an option to provide some guesstimation how much is she into you.

After you establish some more "non-judgement" and attraction you can use more direct question like OP suggested.

Overall, OP's question is a mix of checking her attraction levels and checking for logistics. A bit more my-way-or-the-highway for my taste (I'm assuming from OP it's asked pretty early in the interaction, it might put too much pressure and blow you out) but OTOH it has the benefit of telling you if you're wasting your time with her or if she's DTF already.

max_peenor 8y ago

"who do you live with?"

^ ^ ^ Same goal, better wording. The hamster must be properly fed.

jklifexxx 8y ago

Dude ???????????? The “Hamster” must be properly fed ????????

LordThunderbolt 8y ago

"Whats your living situation like? " is even better

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Bear-With-Bit 8y ago

It's only creepy if she doesn't want to fuck you. High smv means to be the exception.

JamesSkepp 8y ago

In that context (you're basically asking her if she want's to fuck tonight) high SMV will only work if it's between you two (like you did in the texts).

I've seen enough very high SMV (good looking at that) making the mistake of putting too much pressure on a girl when she's judged. She has no other option but to reject than guy strongly, then demean him as creep more often than not. This kind of approach is plain stupid, as he wastes his SMV, it's no different than if he had no SMV at all, so either calibrate properly or don't bother to work on SMV.

Bear-With-Bit 8y ago

Good point, something to consider and adjust.

max_peenor 8y ago

Me: Let's get drinks sometime. I'm free next Fri.

^ Why does this seem so fucking hard to so many men? This is easy. Dead easy. This is how it is done. Will it fail? Fuck yeah. Will it succeed? Sometimes, hell yeah. However, this is why I'm a huge fan of this way to approach. You are not settling up some sort of dating ritual with covert expectations. The expectation is right there. Not what the woman wants? That's ok. Next. You are doing both them and yourself a favor.

I could nitpick, but in general, you have clearly done a far better job swallowing the pill than most.

fitmindfitbody 8y ago

What do you mean by next? Offer another day to get drinks or move on to next girl?

max_peenor 8y ago

move on to next girl

'Next' is a loaded word around here meaning exactly that.

[deleted] 8y ago

So many soft nexts like this boomerang back down the road. There are 500 reasons why she may not be down to meet and fuck OP this week and if he doesnt get bent out shape and/or chase the pussy than there is a good shot it will come down the road.

Or you can buy her flowers, take her to dinner and spend the evening in her frame playing the role of beggar.

The upside is when OP does hear from her than its game on. She willingly wants to submit to his frame and game

Bear-With-Bit 8y ago

My game lives and dies with exactly this "down the road" boomerang. Sort of a one-size-fits-all thing, even works for those with SO's. Sometimes it takes months or even a year to close, but considering I spent zero money and just a little time texting back and forth in total, it's worth it. Seeds been planted, let's see if they grow fruit for The Farmer.

[deleted] 8y ago

You shitlord Cad! How dare you refuse to invest time and money into women before you receive what you want

Bear-With-Bit 8y ago

An EC called me a shitlord. My job is done here.

bl1871 8y ago

With the meet time shit, do you state it as an ultimatum as implied in the post?

Bear-With-Bit 8y ago

Pretty much. She didn't bother to counter offer with something like "If you can make an hour earlier first round is on me." It's either a FUCK YES or FUCK NO with women, you just have to be quick to see the cold replies.

Edit: Any lukewarm response in between those two extremes is a request for a beta orbiter. It's a trap!

Aktiv8r 8y ago

Any lukewarm response in between those two extremes is a request for a beta orbiter. It's a trap!

That shit needs it's own post.

htbf 8y ago

He's wrong though. Most people today are lazy unenthiusiastic energy sinks. You have to work with that or you'll be alone for a long time.

ex_addict_bro 8y ago

It has its own book already. Called “models”

morexel 8y ago

Honestly asking if you live alone ruined it. She was down until you wrote that. Just because she couldn't make ten pm doesn't mean shit.

ayylma088 8y ago

I strongly disagree with everyone saying the "live alone" line was what killed it. Its not creepy at all. Really depends on the person. Its just very straightforward and frank and some girls actually prefer this

Bear-With-Bit 8y ago

Dating is dead. I'd rather let her know of my intentions sooner than later. If it means I failed here, so be it.

Edit: She was down to meet, you're right. But meeting isn't what I want, fucking is.

SkorchZang 8y ago

Agreed man. You have a nice terse style of game, if you put on some slightly dark-n-broody airs too, then even coming across as slightly creepy is going to work in your favor this way in a lot of cases.

You're not creepy-needy, you're serial killer not-sure-what-his-deal-is kinda creepy, which adds spicey excitement for the girl. If she sticks around, let her find out about your deep love of weird old movies about horses & penchant for sudden, unexpected risktaking. Perfect blend for a lot of girls to be completely mystified, and therefore hooked.

Not pampering the girls and talking to them in a terse matter-of-fact way is catnip. Precisely because it's not the "safe" way to go and because you clearly dont' care that it's not going to produce desired results everytime. When it works it works spectacular.

Bear-With-Bit 8y ago

Damn, that is an insanely insightful breakdown of my kind of game. Once I'm over their place I've had girls who would suddenly get frozen, looking down, but still sitting closely next to me. Then I would grab their chin and move in. They were unbearably tense the whole time waiting for me to initiate.

SkorchZang 8y ago

Have a look at this for some laughs, and maybe inspiration here and there:

Dark Depressed Musician picks up girls in the park https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujBSaN4hrGU

Patriarchysaurus 8y ago

She was down to meet, you're right. But meeting isn't what I want, fucking is.

Your stupidity is incredible.

max_peenor 8y ago

Your stupidity is incredible.

Fuck off. You may very well be correct, but at least make a case for it, jackass. Take your turd flinging to the virtue signaling subs.

Patriarchysaurus 8y ago

She wanted to meet him and he preemptively turned it down assuming sex was off the table. This is a shit "field report" (and an even shittier theory post). Your virtual chest beating is perfect to fling turds at btw- how you became an EC here is still a fucking mystery to me though, considering you come across as some "reformed" BP cuck in every single one of your posts and comments.

Edit: no seriously, you're over 45 and divorced and you come to reddit to write gay rants blaming women/feminism/your ex-wife for your own failures? L-O-fuckin'-L

max_peenor 8y ago

Much better. Please do this first next time.

JamesSkepp 8y ago

Dating is dead.

I assure you dating is as strong as ever. Betas, BPs and BB are not going away, ever. Neither are women who want and like to be wined, dined and entertained by men they'll never sleep with.

I'd rather let her know of my intentions sooner than later.

Your mistake was not in revealing your intentions, it was in putting too much pressure on her. Too much pressure triggers ASD and put her on defensive since you're basically making her hamster work against you not for you.

I short you were correct with assumption, incorrect with execution of it - "let's fuck at friday" instead of "let's get together at friday". ASD triggered, she's now using her hamster to get out of being perceived as fast/easy girl by you, instead of using her hamster to justify spending Friday night with you.

If you want fast pulls like that try multiple locations hopping in short time and push-pulling with physical escalation harder than usual.

ayylma088 8y ago

If you want fast pulls like that try multiple locations hopping in short time and push-pulling with physical escalation harder than usual.

Can you elaborate on that part. Why would hopping locations on a date result in a fast pull? I didn't get that

JamesSkepp 8y ago

Why would hopping locations on a date result in a fast pull?

It establishes "stronger" comfort; allows you to lead more; gives more opportunities for escalation.

It also makes you two seem like you've been on more dates than this one, like it's something standard, normal for you two, thus making her more familiar with you despite being only the first date. That in turn makes her less on guard and more relaxed.

This is age old PUA tactic.

ayylma088 8y ago

Fascinating that this kind of manipulation actually works. Im impressed. Is there a guide on how to smoothly do this? I live in a small town and there really isnt much to do here, a few bars and eateries thats it.

JamesSkepp 8y ago

This is hardly manipulation as there is nothing deceitful here. It's basically a time-compressing tool.

a few bars and eateries thats it.

A few bars is all you need. If you want to dedicate yourself to learning game, you'll have to move to somewhere bigger tho.

http://www.thepuaschool.com/trust/

ayylma088 8y ago

Well... true I guess its more of a shortcut. But thx for the link

Bear-With-Bit 8y ago

Ah, let me correct: Dating is dead to me.

Too much pressure on her

True, I forgot about that.

ex_addict_bro 8y ago

+1, solid post, her reaction seems like an ASD to me too (#metoo). Everything else seems in order.

bl1871 8y ago

Sweet, so say a broad asks where you live and upon hearing your reply says "oh I don't really mess with guys from there, theres alot of of low life's out there , it's just kind of a rule I have? How would you handle it?