You may remember the Elliot Rodgers thing - he was a psychopath (with money and decent looks) who complained a lot about how he couldn't get laid. He made a bunch of videos about his hatred of women who wouldn't sleep with him, his hatred of the men who could get laid, and his hatred of - everything in general. Eventually he went on a killing spree, killing 4 men and 2 women.
To which Feminists did their usual narcissist thing of blaming "misogyny" and wanting people to only talk about how a man had killed "people" and not count "men" as victims. When that didn't work, they put a ton of energy into YesAllWomen to narcissistically ramble on about themselves once again, apparently because for feminists men getting shot is motivation to tell men to stop thinking about themselves and change the subject to talking about how women are scared sometimes.
Anyways - I ran across this article that I think epitomizes the red pill approach to what a man should do if he has money and unfortunately finds himself so desperate for sex and validation that he's thinking of ending someone's life, whether it's his own or someone else's:
Went to Mexico to buy barbiturates for a humane and peaceful death.
Decided that if I was gonna die anyway I might as well fuck a prostitute before it was all over. After that a cab driver offered to sell me cocaine. One thing lead to another, and I got a room above a whore house equipped with a heart shaped bed, a stripper pole, and a hot tub.
Spent a full week snorting coke off tits, popping pain meds, drinking tequila, eating handfuls of Viagra to fight the whiskey/coke dick, and had three FFM threesomes.
Somewhere in the midst of my coke-fueled orgy I decide life wasn’t so bad after all.
He then packed his shit up and headed back home, STD-free.
While I don't advocate snorting coke and sleeping with prostitutes for most people, if you're thinking of killing yourself or other people - do yourself and everyone else a big favor, and try this instead. It worked a lot better for at least one guy than the feminist approach of being afraid to approach women that Elliot Rodgers was taking.

OKJaded 11y ago
Repost from 'What was your wakeup call' thread. It seems applicable. It wasn't a lack of sex or friends... I just didnt want to live anymore. Depression is a bitch you can't quite understand until you have been there.
When I was preparing to kill myself. That was my slap in the face. You see, killing yourself, can be much harder than it seems. The popular methods are less successful than you might think. About a 95% success rate. Seems great right? Until you realise you have a 5% chance to survive a legitimate attempt. Failing at suicide was a shame I wouldn't be able to live with...
Long story short, after researching euthanasia methods from countries where it is legal, and crunching the numbers on self murders I had a method that was 100%. I set a date and began putting things in order for once I was gone. My PIN is this. I have funds here, here, and here. I want a trust for this person and this person. Had my will made. It was at this time that I had the weirdest realization... I no longer feared death. In fact I welcomed and embraced it.
I knew exactly when I was going to die. Had the date picked out an everything. As long as I didn't commit any huge crime I could do whatever I wanted, get arrested, post bail, and still kill myself. I had an eject button. A plug I could pull and it would all be over, lights out. It was my new superpower; Atomic 'I don't give a fuck'. My fear of failure: gone. Hesitation: gone. Ability to put up with indecisive people: gone. It was my last month left alive and I was going to make it the best, most hedonistic time of my life.
If you got within 5 feet of me I was talking to you. Man, woman, child, dog, it did not matter. I would talk to you and actually be interested in what you had to say. The complete opposite of who I was before. That fear of rejection that stopped me from doing this my whole life? What the fuck do I care!? I'm out of here anytime I want. My whole life I avoided conflict. I was deathly afraid of any physical altercation. We talk about setting frame, maintaining frame, even holding frame. Its nothing compared to being the frame. What's the worst anyone could do? Kill me? Thanks, saves me the trouble. Abundance mentality applied to life. I had too much. Someone please take it from me.
Its something we must pick up on, as humans, on some subconscious level. That primal ability to lock eyes with someone and know 'do not fuck with this dude' or 'this motherfucker is dangerous'. People stopped shit testing me. Fuck, most of the time they were drawn to me, trying to buy my attention. Buying me drinks. Trying to get me to come party with them. I made some new friends. They were fairly successful but kept running into these random problems they didn't know how to solve. I had all the answers they were looking for. I knew exactly what they needed to do. We started working (professionally) together.
Time can be a funny thing. My month had flown by and the date was right around the corner. A big project was set to launch just a few days after my departure date. Fuck that. I wanted to see how the project ended up. I rescheduled my 'flight'. The project was a huge success. That was my moment of clarity.
This world cannot take anything from me I wasn't ready to take from myself. No matter how bad I fuck up the worst that can happen is I die because I am willing to take my own life. Living life as a supplicating man drove me to suicide. Living life without fear made me alive. It was then that I finally started to question everything. I started to make a lot of Red Pill conclusions on my own. A year later a friend said 'Do you know what the Red Pill is?', I replied, 'Like in the Matrix?'. I had shared with him a lot of my own views that fell in line with Red Pill thinking. 'Check it out' he said 'you've said a lot of the same stuff they say'.
When I first came here I thought everything seemed a bit extreme. Mainly because I had 28 years of bullshit crammed in my behaviors. As I read the sidebar links, more and more bullet points clicked. It explained all the incongruencies I had accumulated over the years of living a very blue pill lifestyle. I've continued to read since.
anjkh 11y ago
Fuck, that was... Liberating to read. You took massive red bomb and became the pill itself. Thanks for the insight of being afraid of nothing. I myself enjoy being put in "controllable" physical/mental dangers or risks everytime I have the chance, for it develops the best of me (concentration, stamina, resilience).
TRP_James 11y ago
Respect man, I have some true respect for you.
lLoveLamp 11y ago
This is freaking inspiring. Thanks for taking the time to write this
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My dad would say something similar to my brother and me. He would liken it to seeing a dog on the street. Sometimes when you see a dog you think, "I'd like to pet that dog, that looks like a nice dog." Then you see some dogs and think "I better not fuck with that dog."
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teeelo 11y ago
A very moving story, I thank you for sharing and am happy that you are here with us today.
Park_Hobo 11y ago
Finally!! Dude! Death is a part of everyday life. One day I had a similar epiphany and I can't find people who agree with me about how a lot of things in life don't matter and how we should be re-embracing death into our culture. The will to survive and fight. No one wants to take risks financially, legally, or fatally. The people who do are those punk kids I always use to hate, so I have to do it alone, because they are not my friends. Everyday I wake up with the goal of trying to do something that might kill me or achieving something to strive for a 'good death.'
Good Death = Dying having accomplished your goals or trying to complete them, or dying as a result of a mortal challenge (e.g. Rock climbing, fighting a shark or something).
confuseacatlmtd 11y ago
This was me over a year ago after I found out that my then gf of 4 years cheated on me. Same thing happened. I realized I was free and began rebuilding myself as a whole new person. It was like I had really died and been given a second life that was all my own. Took a lot more effort than just that, and my progress has been accelerated after finding the redpill a few months ago.
Wheatspin 11y ago
I mean, your girlfriend cheating on you isn't the same as planning a day to kill yourself but I get what you mean.
confuseacatlmtd 11y ago
Oh, I was suicidal for a day, is what I meant. It's a long story lol
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pantsoffire 11y ago
Ok okjaded, here goes.
I was in a similar place, a simlar state of mind or soul or being or reconization. I'd lost my best friend to schizophrenia, but he was still breathing and talking but as thou one as dead. Loxapine, Stelazine an more did not bring him back.
Little brother had become a drug fiend and was welcoming the wolves and "Dark Magic" and fighting his own homosexuality.
Dearest sister was welcoming anything and anyone into her as long as they had drugs because I could not treat her this way.
My guidance councillor/ reike teahcer was lecturing on her own gender based superiority... And I was in love with her.
I began to disapear. With every out lasting breath. With every so often gift given. Withdrawing from men and light and welcoming the chasm.
I began to disolve. And everyone noticed. Rich and poor, Confident and askew, they all knew. As I did. As I do.
And still stand alone. And the animals love me still.
I am not RPT. Or beta bux. Or MRA. I Am.
yeahweewee 11y ago
problem is for foreveraloners like Elliot its not really about the sex its about validation/companionship
alot of puas who were former betas just end up having sex and taking pictures with women just so they can brag about it
zephyrprime 11y ago
I've known a lot of puas and all of them were former betas but none of them took a bunch of pictures of women just so they could brag about it.
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reddishman 11y ago
I think it's a biological need. Men instinctively realise that they are born with no societal value. That they are disposable.
In order to fulfill this void men seek the approval/companionship of a woman. Ie if they can attract a woman then they would have some value. This is the reason why men living in areas which has legal prostitution still want to find women to be with. At the end it's not the pussy that men seek.
The Y chromosome needs to evolve over this mentality. Men have to stop attaching their worth with women.
RedPill115 11y ago
I don't entirely agree with you. I read several things after that about how similar narcissistic guys would go almost crazy at a certain point, if they had sex they'd readjust to surface level normal. We all have a biological drive to mate. It can drive you crazy. When you add other-crazy on top of biological crazy, it's not good.
While this wouldn't cause Elliot Rodgers to suddenly become normal, it probably would have some of lot of the pentup drive away. I never would have done something that put me in jail, but I know when I was a virgin and a junior in college, finally getting laid with someone I kept sleeping with was a HUGE burden off my shoulders. Don't know how else to describe it. It made me a lot more confident around girls, not feeling like I was making some overly-huge decision in talking to them or going after them.
If you are desperate for validation/companionship, and you believe that you'll get it with a girlfriend and sex, you are going to be desperate for a long long time. It's a Red Pill truth - women want men who aren't (to) needy. If just getting sex makes you less desperate for it, you're better off.
That seems unrelated.
Cyralea 11y ago
I think it was Roosh's commentary that observed that. He noted that he knew of some unstable betas that were teetering on the edge, only to become fully adjusted normal dudes once they started getting laid. Not having sex can actually really fuck a guy up.
yeahweewee 11y ago
and why was it a huge burden off your shoulders? because you finally got the validation that you needed in the form that you are in fact "worth" having sex with, a prostitute would not elicit the same effect
RedPill115 11y ago
That's only true if it's on the aware, psychological level. We all have a biological drive to have sex that is below that level.
It wasn't that higher level psychological validation for me. I already knew that there were some girls who wanted to sleep with me - my ex girlfriend had wanted to sleep with me and I was trying to detach myself from that relationship as much as possible. It was something else.
honestthrowout 11y ago
I've haven't gotten laid in a long time, and fucking a hooker would do nothing for me besides make me feel cheap and desperate.
DoctorWelch 11y ago
How, all girls a prostitutes in one way or another. They won't sleep with you unless you pay them in something. Whether its time, money, feels, status, whatever it is.
To separate out that one is more important than the other is simple narrow mindedness. It is you believing in the blue pill dream that a woman actually wants to be with you for you. Wake up call, that's not how it works.
ubiety 11y ago
Desperate times call for desperate measures - and no one but you needs to know you fucked a prostitute. Spinning morality onto a harmless act (exchanging sex for money) needlessly shames you away from obtaining the physical release that could benefit you in the long term.
Imagine being an incel virgin for 20+ years and how fucking off your mental state becomes after trying and failing to have sex the "normal" way. "Just getting it over with", i.e, losing your virginity, should be done as early as possible (or before you graduate high school) to ensure you don't develop into an average frustrated chump.
ekayze 11y ago
thats why you add cocaine into the equation ;)
14931125 11y ago
Many of my mates have fucked hookers to loose their V plates. It gets sex out of the way, it shows them that it is no big thing. This removes so much of the perfomance anxiety of not knowing what to do which causes guys to choade out and not pull the trigger or act all weird.
Once they fucked a hooker, it was a matter of months before they found a girl who they could fuck free of charge.
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Hookers don't count towards numbers or losing virginity. That's how we played.
Edit: Why is this getting downvoted? Honestly, there's no game in getting a prostitute and it's less fulfilling, so we always considered it as not counting towards our numbers. Sure, if someone had sex with a whore they technically were no longer a virgin, but they didn't really earn it. They didn't convince a girl to like them enough to let them put their penis inside of them. It's like an expert marksmanship badge, you earn it, or you could just buy it at the Clothing and Sales, put it on your uniform, and pretend like you earned it.
Dev_on 11y ago
from what ive been told, the good escorts make you feel like you earned it.
they aren't just a pay for hole service. A lot understand youre looking for the validation. lots of documentaries on this, check out netflix
Philhelm 11y ago
I've seen a great escort, since we went out to shoot pool afterward and she bought me drinks. Then we went to the hotel and fucked again. I saw her a few more times and banged her at no cost until the crazy started emerging and I had to eject. I definitely felt validated though.
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LAMFF 11y ago
This heart touching hookers and blow story was based on a movie about my life.
phil619 11y ago
I am mexican and whorehouses here are common. Woman will do anything for the dollar, and I mean anything.Heck you do not even need game, looks or muscles. Just dollars.
MayorMoonbeam 11y ago
Well that's kind of how prostitution works, yeah...
bilbuthehobbit 11y ago
a hooker who looks for aesthetics will starve instantly..........
TheRealMewt 11y ago
How's that different from any other brothel?
MyDarkSideOfTheMoon 11y ago
American prostitutes(the legal ones in NV) are as expensive as shit. And have rules and what not.
TekkomanKingz 11y ago
American escorts usually have "rules" and "standards"...
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ilirm 11y ago
Can confirm, hookers and blow makes you feel really really great.
alpha_i 11y ago
I attempted suicide twice because of a severe case of oneitis. Of course that was 10 years before I discovered TRP principles. After that, I continued to try to be the perfect beta bitch boyfriend to whatever girl would have me. Thank God for the Red Pill - not only has it helped me with depression, it's the self-improvement part that is really more important than getting pussy. (The pussy is a side benefit).
Masonjarteadrinker2 11y ago
I feel so much better after finding TRP as well, it's like this huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders and I no longer put so much importance on a specific woman which lets me relax.
phil_mcrevis 11y ago
Similar story. Oneitis drove me to nearly attempt it. I slowly got better but I didn't REALLY get better until I found this sub and did a lot of thinking. Not sure if it was that or other life changes but the level to which TRP has helped me can't be understated....
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Cocaine and hookers are a wonderful way to indulge in some casual hedonism. Just don't get swept up in the life and get addicted, and you will be fine. There's more to life than fucking pussy and feeling like a superhero. Like anything, moderation.
OhYouPoorSOB 11y ago
You don't get to fuck beautiful heavenly blondes in Mexico brothels.
reddiforlove 11y ago
This is important.
But back on topic, what a life-affirming story. Just imagine how many lives could be saved each year if the US legalized prostitution and cocaine.
Also think about how much the average American woman would have to step up her game in order for men to be able to tell her apart from the new professional class of whores. It really would be beneficial all around.
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legal prostitution has NO positive or negative effect on the behavior of men OR women. get in your heads americans.
pantsoffire 11y ago
And you just outlined why it would never happen. Too much effort. /the antithessis of the modern woman.
sweetleef 11y ago
Which is why prostitution is criminalized.
You have to wonder if it would still be illegal if we turned the clock back 80 years to when women couldn't vote.
lucidsleeper 11y ago
In many countries prostitution is completely illegal, and yet has rampant sex trade. Only in the USA, do people have literally an "anti-prostitution" culture which shames men for seeking out prostitutes.
reddiforlove 11y ago
Yeah that is an interesting question.
Ironically enough, from my understanding, criminalization in the US was first passed before women could vote, and it was pretty much the issue that the suffragettes made their bones on leading up to them getting the vote.
Once they began to be able to financially support themselves without prostitution, they fabricated a racial narrative around "white slavery" to trick white men into supporting a federal law that would increase women's control on access to sex.
Funny how that worked out for everyone.
The69th 11y ago
Can't wait for medical cocaine
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InformalCriticism 11y ago
That millennia came and went.
antidoxdevice 11y ago
Depression can be caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, I wouldn't be surprised if some of that coke had ketamine (which has some studies showing it helps) in it that helped fix him.
Keninishna 11y ago
uhh just the dopamine from the whores could fix depression temporarily. The coke just even adds more.
Claude_Reborn 11y ago
Medical hookers, complete with sexy nurse outfit !
pantsoffire 11y ago
But no. Because sex like drugs releases endorphins which could lead to this ...
Wraithwain 11y ago
Restores your manly health and happiness, just like a real nurse would!
Claude_Reborn 11y ago
Japan has them.
Australia at least has legal sex work. Jim Jefferies has a fantastic story about taking his mate to see a sex worker because his mate was dying of ALS.
Fucked if I can find it though, it's fucking hilarious and very touching.
AGiftToAfterthought 11y ago
It was Muscular Dystrophy, actually.
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bluedrygrass 11y ago
Maybe you should better think about how many lives cocaine has contributed to end.
waynebradysworld 11y ago
Been there, done that, not dead.
Its the Indian not the arrow
TRP_FuckFeminists 11y ago
Had one friend who 'cured' (is symptomless) skitsophrenia with hard drugs. Totally different other friend went delusional and is in a mental hospital dealing with lucidity and psychosis. That Indian / arrow metaphor is apt to say the least.
beeeel 11y ago
To an extent- cocaine and ethanol react to make cocaethanol in your blood, which can create serious heart problems, even in young people, and often kills by heart attack whilst the person is still high.
But most cocaine deaths are probably because other shite in the powder.
LineOfCoke 11y ago
No most cocaine deaths are overdoses. ODs happen for a lot of reasons mixin cocaine and alcohol is a bad idea for starters. You don't have to be a genius to understand the potential for complication on mixing stimulants and blood thinners. Not to mention mixing uppers and downers. Aldo varying purity of available cocaine causes ods. People who are used to 30% purity can easily OD if they unknowingly obtain something for say 70% purity. Another aspect is partying and showboating. You should be able to get 7-10 lines out of a gram. If you are rippin 1/4 gram rails, you get what's coming.
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A buddy and I killed an 8 ball in an hour. 1/16 an ounce each in one hour. That shit was insane.
LineOfCoke 11y ago
And if it were quality cocaine one of you probably would have suffers a cardiac event. See season 3 of EastBound and Down to see exactly how that shit goes down.
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It was quality. The first time I ever blacked out on coke. We were daily abusers, so our tolerance was high already.
One guy in our circle never did coke before, and of course an asshole druggie in our group talked him into spending his money on coke. That guy definitely ODed. I wasn't there for it, but druggie guy's grandmother was and when she saw it, she had a heart attack. She died in the hospital two weeks later. A month later I told druggie guy how fucked up he was to kill his grandmother like that.
LineOfCoke 11y ago
Coke isn't like alcohol. Your body doesn't build a tolerance to its effect. There is a certain amount, relative to your size and metabolism, and the purity of the cocaine that will kill you dead regardless of how often you use, and for how many years you have used. The tolerance you build with cocaine is psychological.
I hung out with coke heads for about a year before the first time I tried it. The first time I just ran my finger inside the empty bag and rubbed my gums. Within months I was selling. I'd cop on Thursday bag and sell all weekend and keep half for my nasal. Ended up making money off my coke habit. Not a lot but like an extra $50 or so in my pocket after partying all weekend. Time came though got tired of the fake friends and scheming bitches, late nights became a chore, so I stopped selling. Then like two years after that I stopped using cause I developed an arrhythmia. I wasn't even using much at that point. It was 16 hr work days that fucked me up.
[deleted] 11y ago
Can you cite that it's only psychological? Everything I'm finding is talking about dependency, tolerance, and withdrawals.
[deleted] 11y ago
Hmm... Then why did the guy who never did coke previously, keel over and start foaming at the mouth when druggie guy let him do the same amount as him? That guy lived btw. Went on to join the navy.
Edit: maybe he wasn't foaming at the mouth. I wasn't there, so I don't know exactly what happened. Just him and druggie guy's grandma ended up in the hospital.
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kanaduhisfruityeh 11y ago
I'm not a fan of coke, but I do support banging hookers. Sex is the most natural and healthy thing that money can buy. Banging hookers is what you really call getting high on life.
P.S. like another poster said, I don't think Elliot Rodger was a psychopath. If he had been a psychopath he would've probably had lots of women, because women are attracted to those types of men. Psychopathic women killers are more likely to lure women into their cars, hotels, or homes and then murder these women.
BRENDORVEGAS 11y ago
Being depressed in my early 20's, I did something similar. I went to Amsterdam for 5 days and partied , banged 5 hookers, and smoked as much weed is I possibly could. Vices aside, I met enough interesting and positive people that convinced me to stop being such a shit head and enjoy life.
Now that $5000 credit card bill....well I'd say it was worth it
rockumsockumrobots 11y ago
A friend of mine killed himself when he had no job, girlfriend left him and his family were a bunch of fat rednecks.
I regret not spending more time with him and living it up. I refuse to let that happen to me, or my friends, again.
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friend of mine offed himself after a bad breakup. the part that happened afterword was probably more 'red pill' eye opening than anything I ever learned about women. everyone was patting themselves on the back, comforting each other and saying 'there was no way they could have know' and in a couple of weeks it was like he was never born.
rockumsockumrobots 11y ago
Yeah...dude that's so sad, but so true. I'm encouraged though because TRP has already saved lives.
[deleted] 11y ago
I don't know if its red pill or not. but if you want to prevent suicide, take some responsibility and be a better friend.
fuck fair-weather friends.
rockumsockumrobots 11y ago
I've never been a fair-weather friend to anyone. In fact, I've been a fucking awesome friend to shits who didn't deserve it and still taken flack for it when I failed to continue to coddle them.
The only thing I regret is not being more blunt with him. He used to complain about "jobs being shit." Of course you'll get the shit jobs when you start out. I got the shit end of the stick in every job I took until I either left or worked my way up. That's how the fucking world works buddy. I should have said it to him, worded in that manner, even at the risk of losing him as a friend. He didn't need me to say "hey, man, it'll be okay, just stick with it" or "man, that sucks. I'm sorry to hear you're having a shit time at that job." I thought it was being supportive, but it was just ableism.
There are some people who don't need more responsibility from friends or a "better friend." Some people just need a swift kick in the ass.
[deleted] 11y ago
sorry. didn't realize you were the same person I first replied to. the comment about fair weather friends wasn't directed at you. that being said, the majority of friends, especially men's friends are fair-weather. if things are going well, you're the shit, but if you fall on hard times you're a fucking leper.
I also think that the title of friend should carry certain responsibilities. one being caring about the other persons feelings; as crazy as that may seem.
rockumsockumrobots 11y ago
no problem man. I still stand by everything I said and I'm glad it took a comment to make me think it over.
You're 100% right though. One good thing about falling on hard times is that you know who your true friends are. I don't think it's any surprise when most of your true friends turn out to be men.
TANov14 11y ago
I also lost a friend to suicide over his bad case of oneitis and subsequent rejection.
In his case, he had also drunk most of a bottle of vodka at the time, so I've always thought he'd still be with us if he hadn't been so wasted that he had no idea what he was doing.
Getting wasted over a woman... it can be cathartic sometimes, but not always in a good way.
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if it gets to that point you're already in pretty bad shape.
C_D_O 11y ago
Just a point of pedantic contention: Elliot Rodgers was not a psychopath.
If he were, he wouldn't have anxiety about his lack of success with women. Really, he would probably - excuse the pun - be a lady killer.
I have an issue with the characterization of spree killers as pyschopaths because its dismissive: he didn't just kill people for the fun of it, he was angry with his environment. He was certainly a narcissist from what I saw, but a psychopath? Nope, way too emotional.
zyk0s 11y ago
I'm not too sure how "psycho" has been popularized, but the net effect is undeniable, and it's somewhat similar to the charge of "terrorist": a "bad" person, someone who does something evil because they are evil themselves.
For the majority of people, it ends there, and it's really a progressive replacement for "this man is (possessed by) the devil". But even for slightly smarter people, as you point it, it's extremely misleading. Psychopathy is a lower-than-normal concern for other people's feelings, and by dismissing people like Elliot Rodgers as psychopaths, these people are essentially saying that there was no cause to these rampages, "it's just the way they are, and as, as a matter of fact, are totally not like me!". It's as convenient as trying to pretend we would have acted differently in the Milgram experiments, but it's not the truth. Normal humans are capable of very surprising things, and Rogers was simply a particularly emotionally fragile person, who in mental agony and had the means to get a gun and enact his vengeance fantasy. But that could be any one of us, torture a man long enough then give him a gun an point to the source of his agony, and see what happens.
After all, don't we excuse women who kill their husbands in their sleep with the "battered woman syndrome"? Why be so specific? A lot of people who suffers mental torture can break down and kill, and they aren't all psychopaths.
TRP_FuckFeminists 11y ago
Psychopathy is dark triad and inevitably attractive to women. People are delusional armchair doctors when they label every killer a psychopath en masse.
I agree with you and I saved your post for future
antidoxdevice 11y ago
He was mentally ill, lets leave it at that.
ekayze 11y ago
Nah, i'd say he was more an angry kid that was mislead to believe going out with a bang was a good option.
MagnanimousGenius 11y ago
Plus you know, he had Aspergers
ekayze 11y ago
His wiki says he was never formally diagnosed with any mental illness
ekayze 11y ago
His wiki says he was never formally diagnosed with any mental illness
Keninishna 11y ago
I was at that point one time in my life, a 25 year old virgin and recently got a pretty bad rejection. I didn't have any money at the time so Instead of killing myself, I decided to get help, I went to the mental hospital. I told the psychologist exactly my problem, I couldn't get laid and had so much pent up negative energy I was afraid what was going to happen. Bad bad bad idea, the psychologist would try to make me believe I was gay. They would also set up these interactions where a cute girl would literally test all my buttons to see if I was violent(I wasn't physically violent but if i was they would just throw me in jail). I did however get nurses fired as i convinced them to give me drugs I wasn't prescribed and lots of social workers I talked to would end up with red eyes on the brink of tears. I realized there that as a man you are alone in this world, there is no help. The schizophrenics there oddly enough would just give me pretty much redpill advice, "go lift" and basically exercise to use up that negative energy and to expect rejection from women.
Hoodwink 11y ago
Schizo's don't fuck around and are intense. They probably have nothing to lose socially. And they probably lost many women due to psychotic moments that they understand that women don't appreciate weakness.
kanaduhisfruityeh 11y ago
Shrinks, cops, authorities, government, will NEVER help you. Never talk to them or ask them for help.
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antidoxdevice 11y ago
Holy fuck lol wut?
Why?
Have you written much about this before? Sounds interesting.
Also how old are you know and do you get laid?
Keninishna 11y ago
Well I have to say the universe kind of does fuck with me, after I got out of the mental hospital I got a job working for the government and got a top secret clearance and realized people are more paranoid than I am lol then I finally lost my v-card to a pretty cute 30 yr old married chick then I started banging some pretty hot 20 year old girls. I've been dry though lately and havent got laid in about 2 years although I did date some strippers. I did spend a ton of money on them but I made a bunch of money off bitcoins at the time about 30k. I would still get drunk and get some pretty bad mood swings and got a DWI.
I havent written much about it before, the schizophrenics were definitely the most interesting part as they were actually really good therapist lol. They were pretty good at reading body language and mood and even my thought patterns.
I'm 30 now, although I'm kind of back at square one trying to get laid again. I still feel like I'm emotionally cripple because I've only had sex a dozen times with a couple women, while most my friends my age have had lots of serious LTRs and married and kids etc. Although this does make me different than most people I feel like and I'm a bit more sociopathic and work for the government elite.
I can write more details about my time in the mental hospital if you want to read it. Some of it probably won't make sense but it might be interesting.
FitVaper 11y ago
Could you please expand this? Schizophrenics are very interesting and I would like to know your experience when dealing with them, what do they talk about? What did they say to you? Thanks!
Keninishna 11y ago
There were two main ones that I talked to at the time I was there and maybe a few others I'm not sure of what peoples diagnoses were or if they lied or whatever. The two I did talk to were on anti-psychotics, Geodon and something else I forget. The first one I met was my roomate who was basically new to his mental condition. The second guy had been in the mental hospital for years as far as I knew and had transferred between hospitals and the doctors gave him a somewhat helping position. When I first got there I was highly paranoid like out of my mind and he was helpful directing my thoughts, he told me not to say "I think" out loud and just have normal convo instead. We had these circular conversations where he would say things like "this is pretty much the same thing as a jail" and "I wish I had a playstation". He would say other things too like "you should of just got the anti-psychotics online and not came here" which makes sense because being locked up in a psych ward is not good. He would then analyse my behavior patterns through this circular dialog we had and he would say things like "this isn't right" and say what he had said about a minute ago and showed me an expression I had that I was thinking about. It was some thought pattern my mind would subconsciously hide from me and I had no idea. We did this for a few hours and he would ask me about different behavior patterns I had like that I used to pick up girls, I would be thinking about pickup and state control and he would say "where did you learn that at? a bar?" I would tell him I learned it from friends. We continued to do this and he would dig through my thoughts and I just started crying uncontrollably, I had no idea why I wasn't thinking anything stressful or sad particularly at the moment and he said "don't worry about it man girls do that shit all the time" I don't know what he was referring to then but I assume it was some sort of psychological scarring a girl had done to me. I would help him out in turn as well although I knew nothing about the guy but other than his mind was segmented so I could provide him with some continuity. He would be very afraid to interact with other people and do much but I did get him to go outside and play some basketball instead of being in some mind loop all day and later his mind did thank me he said "that helped" referring to playing basketball. The funny thing is he was a black dude named Michael Johnson.
Second guy was the older more experienced schizo. I was psychotically breaking down like I felt connected to everything and all the emotional strings in society were visible before me and I had desecrated the emotional lines for love and I was doomed to die and not just me because I was connected to everyone most people would die as well (idk I was crazy at the time but that's what I thought). So the schizo guy talks to me and basically reads my mind and says that its all over tv and the news and that Obama is looking for me and that people are whispering my name under their breath (I was terrified to watch tv at this point). He mentions that there is someone aggressive in my mind, the only person I could think of was my player friend helping me out doing approaches and stuff which is weird cause the psychologist later mentioned the same thing. The schizo then says something about a shotgun being shot at me with a loud explosion, I tell him its not good because of the people I'm connected to will suffer so he reverses the thought and the shotgun is pointed outwards (I guess this a metaphor for emotional pain weather I commit suicide or delegate the suffering to other people) He tells me I should workout and lift weights to rid of the excess negative energy he also somehow takes my anger and gives it to other people in the hospital one big Hispanic dude who was there on court charges he had him like doing push ups and stuff although the dude was really scary after I never knew if he was going to fight me. Paranoia can make friends into enemies real fast. Anyways I bring my roommate over to him and he reads his thoughts and tells him that the antipsychotics will flatten out his mind over time (his mind was fragmented) and then told him something personal about himself like his two friends that were fighting each other or something I have no idea. But my roommate was like do not trust this guy, which I understand because I didn't trust him at first either but I dunno he seemed to be helping me. The guy then tells me how he can still communicate to his ex wife mentally using his mind and he was giving me some advice on pickup like expect rejection and go for it anyways. He believed he was being kept in the mental hospital because society would not be able to handle him and his mind which is somewhat true because he knew when I was lying about things and would call me out on it. Like I would say something like "oh I don't remember" and he would somehow prove my memory was fine and I would try to pacify him by saying he was a good guy and give him that role but he would go on to say how he was a great little league coach and to watch out for really fast pitches that would hurt if I got hit. I'd look to my schizo roomate for help on dealing with this guy and he was pretty neutral on the whole thing and he would call him out on it as well. The next day he somewhat singles me out in a group and tells me to shut my mouth, so I'm like OK? I'm not gonna tell anyone anything anyways? but it pretty much makes me feel stifled and inhibited. The psychologist then has group counseling and he asks this older lady what she feels from me and she says "his mouth is wired shut" (the psychologist prolly knows whats up) so hes like ok then hes like what else and she says there is some pain and asks me where it came from and I say I think someone else put it there and she says she cannot determine further without more context. The psychologist actually stops the group session there because he is afraid of me having a seizure, although I've never had one in my life? but my mind was warping pretty bad at this point trying to make sense of wtf was going on. The rest of the time the schizo guy would no longer talk to me because I may have done something or he thinks I did something to betray him, what I think happened was he wasn't suppose to be talking to me and giving me ideas/help or whatever without the psychologist knowing first and the psychologist found out later without even asking me(the schizo thought I told on him) and demoted his responsibilities or something. Some people were normalish though I met one woman who was nice she was in there because she overdosed on her adderall. Some other guys were in there I'm not sure why but it seemed like they did a lot of acid and were always laughing. Some people never came out of their rooms and just slept all the time. One guy was a normalish guy just depressive. There were some nuts though this one big black dude was always mumbling and screaming and laughing and he would repeat "red red red" over and over again whenever someone had a stupid/crazy thought we would refer to that guy.
Anyways it seems like the poor people that are stuck in there pick up and learn the shit the psychologist do to them and use it to manipulate others as well.
foxevv 11y ago
This is brilliant!
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Subtletorious 11y ago
Who is this Elliot Rodgers you are all talking about?
tallwheel 11y ago
The Internet decided at some point that that's the correct spelling of his name.
FLFTW16 11y ago
Upvote because Elliot Rodgers isn't a thing. Elliot Rodger is (or was) a thing.
SemenMoustache 11y ago
Does it really make the slightest difference? You may have missed that mod post from yesterday.
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Funny how living can make you want to go on living.
I.e. live more.
GregariousWolf 11y ago
I know this is a serious-ish sub, but I can't help but chuckle at hookers and blow as a cure for depression.
Zackcid 11y ago
The guy from the story said how this hasn't cured him from depression, it only stopped him from ending his life.
Personally, I think it could indirectly cure depression. If you manage to turn your life in a whole new direction like this guy did, and then suddenly get the ball rolling in the right, healthy direction, you might eventually find yourself feeling much better bout life.
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we_r_legun1993 11y ago
Please stop. Rodgers was batshit insane and refused to take his medication. He came from a broken home with an abusive stepmother and a neglectful father. I highly doubt that coke and whores would have solved his problems.
asd1100 11y ago
YES, THANK YOU!...
This is exactly what you do with a pussy that is tired of life. YOU SHOW HIM WHAT LIFE ACTUALLY IS!
You can't be depressed while doing coke, you can't be depressed while dancing on MDMA and you can't take life seriously while high on acid.
I do advocate for doing cocaine. Learn what being a alpha feels like(it doesn make you one, but it gives you a peak behind the curtains). I do advocate doing MDMA, learn what your body is capable of feeling and how limited your perception of the world is if you are stuck in your depressed pussy/beta paradigm seeing everything trough a beta filter.
Note, this is a experiment to open your mind to what is possible, like vegas, cocaine is highly addictive and addiction is a pussy trap. Most betas already have almost no control of their life, so you could end up fucking yourself over hard.
The blue pillers will scream at the top of their lungs that that is horrble and that you should send him to terapy, a man should love his pathetic life. And if he doesn't he needs to be sedated and medicated out of his mind, because a zombie is better than a autonomous human being. Here is the deal.
This shit scares them worse than suicide, because suicide is a valid option in their world view, not obeying and actually living just blows their mind, it's a notion that threatens the system at a fundamental level and if such a glitch can exist, their whole world view is invalidated.
ekayze 11y ago
what this guy says. It gives you another perspective on life which can help you decided on your 'final decision'. Like what the mexican trip did for the guy... decided there was more to life than what is currently making him depressed. might as well die depressed whilst having the experience of doing everything than dying depressed with limited experience.
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carpaltaser 11y ago
Just as a real quick aside, you can think whatever you want about this topic, and there are definitely some impactful lessons to be learned from a story like this, I would agree there is some merit in a person becoming suicidal and taking that as an opportunity to live life without fear.
But by all means, do not start going to r/suicidewatch or something and just start advocating fucking prostitutes and doing drugs to those people. Depression is a serious and complex issue, it takes a little more than a rush of endorphins to cure.
HappyNacho 11y ago
This is like one of the "One thing I need to do before I die".
However, I think it's a little different from Elliot Rogers, since his problem was with women and this dude was in depression, but nonetheless I could have helped him not to kill 6 people.
If you ever plan to come to Mexico I or /u/RojoEscarlata can give some tips.
flexiblehold 11y ago
The problem with Elliot Rodgers was his attitude of entitlement mixed with psychosis (the psychosis enabling him to act upon his narcissistic attitude). He seemed to believe a certain lifestyle, a certain status, a certain level of accomplishment -- that they should be granted to him, rather than earned by him through persistent, dispassionate self-critique and personal development.
Really the problem with Americans and the West as a whole is the prevailing and malignant culture of entitlement. Currently on the front page of reddit is an account by a 46-year old man of how his life in banking, his family and marriage, that all were a waste, totally oblivious to the profound reality that in the greater context of human history, having your wife cheat on you and being miserable working a 9-5 is actually win compared to hunger, disease, intellectual or physical disability, and premature death.
Gratitude and relentless personal development must take the place of entitlement and apathetic narcissism for us to have any hope.
Hookers and blow is pretty fun though.
TDCRedPill 11y ago
I don't think that's entirely accurate, and rather the whole point of RedPilll.
He was trying to earn it, through persistent, dispassionate self-critique to fit the mold he was aiming for; the mold he was told to fit into by people unknowningly reinforcing his failing behavior. Dude lost his shit because it wasn't working, NOT because he wasn't trying with all of his effort. He was following a bluepill blueprint with the certainty every bluepiller has about what women want.
The entire reason for the problem is the 'This is how you should treat women in a sexual relationship' guide he was following. Was he wrong in how he went about it? Yeah, but bet your ass it was following those instructions he was given to a T.
Newdist2 11y ago
If your wife cheats on you enough that none of her kids are your kids, then no, that's not a win.
bluedrygrass 11y ago
I don't know how you can be so sure about that. This kind of "life" is only better for bankers and goverment, surely not for you.
Cyralea 11y ago
Hardly an unrealistic viewpoint if you only took your knowledge of romantic dynamics from media and popular culture. You rarely see RP-themed films or shows. Elliot's only real failing was not questioning the feminized version of reality he was forcefed growing up. That a weak, simpering nice guy with money, looks and status was a girl's wet dream.
I think a lot of recovering betas used to think this at one point too.
Baylien2 11y ago
This sounds like the plot of an oscar winning movie
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I am extremely jealous of his near death experience.
TekkomanKingz 11y ago
From the editor of the article:
When you're that low in life going to immoral lows somehow actually has the reverse effect. But if you have a holier-than-thou attitude then yes banging filthy whores and doing hard drugs for several days in a row will make you feel dirty and possibly depressed.
trpSenator 11y ago
He did his AMA here on Reddit.
DarkCircle 11y ago
I do not know about Elliot Rogers (the guy was a psycho) but if you are in the pit of depression, the thought of blow and women is not at all alluring. Nothing is. You just want everything to end.
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Dev_on 11y ago
thats what the guy said, he leaves out parts of the story where his family intervened as well
DarkCircle 11y ago
Yep. That's me. When I have had moments of non depression, I thought the same as OP. Just head to Brazil, do drugs, bang the hottest women then end it. Then when I became depressed again, I just wanted to die. Nothing feels good and I just did not care about the regular stuff that people think I should care about.
jsalathe 11y ago
I kicked myself out of depression a few times with judicious use of hallucinogens (shrooms or, with some experience, LSD) with people who were willing and able to help me "guide" me through the experience.
It's too bad we have this futile drug war.
thisjibberjabber 11y ago
I've read there is some preliminary evidence that micro-dosing on shrooms can reduce depression. That is daily doses at a level that does not produce impairment or hallucinations. Seems like little downside to trying it, other than the legal risk.
skoobled 11y ago
... Or if you're planning to murder. Whilst I agree noone is "entitled" to sex, I'd rather they get some entitlement sex than go on a killing spree. A lonely and angry man (usually unsexed) is a dangerous thing
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DoctorWelch 11y ago
I completely disagree that depression is non-negotiable. There is no scientific backing to say that a person's perspective can't change their brain in a way that makes them overcome any kind of chemical imbalance (if this is what even causes depression in the first place which is up for debate) or overcome depression.
It is simply an excuse. Everyone wants something to fall back on so they don't have to deal with failure or their shitty life.
Dev_on 11y ago
it wasnt a long term thing, and hes been around for 6 years since, I'm sure he's fine
RedPill115 11y ago
You could read the actual article, and the only it links to. He talks about how it didn't cure his depression, but it did motivate him to take the steps to get out of his depression.
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foolery 11y ago
Jesus dude. You have got to let yourself hit rock bottom. That's what this guy was doing. It's what I did when I just let my depression take my emotions before it took my body. What you discover is that your brain is part of your body and you can totally bend your own body to your will. The thing about suicide is if you can do something to yourself that's that counter to what your lizard brain wants then you can do anything else too. Like destroy depression, or write a book, or pick up chicks. I think depression is a modern manhood ritual.
lolthr0w 11y ago
Or maybe you have a genetic predisposition exacerbated by a vitamin D deficiency. You are clearly not a psychologist.
icallmyselfmonster 11y ago
I'll give you an upvote to equalize the down votes. There is more at play when it comes to depression, its even seasonal. I do notice S.A.D. hell, I have been chemically altering my brain out of depression for years.
There is a genetic component and it also affects more intelligent people. Maybe its a consequence of being a realist(I would say that realism tends towards pessimism).
The furthest I ever escaped from my depression was when I lost about 40 lbs, and couldn't give a fuck about anything else but doing things for my best interests.
DoctorWelch 11y ago
Psychology is simply professionally recognized pseudo-science. Pretty much any categorization or diagnosis by such could be completely false.
Now, neuroscience on the other hand, is actually based in data and falsifiable hypothesis.
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foolery 11y ago
Too late now, I have a solution that's surprisingly sturdy but sees meaning in nonsense, and honestly, it's fun to play this kind of head game with myself. But thanks for the advice delivered in a dickish manner, I'll go see if there's a convenience store nearby that sells vitamin D supplements.
oldmanwho 11y ago
right here: the anatomy of how to sell fool's gold to fools. you go buy your vitamins, foolerybro. pick up some fishoil while you're at it.
outspoken idiots so sure in their way of life, their convictions unyielding, convince a depressed man that they know what's best, though not by evidence (that would be an impossible feat), but by the depressed man yielding once more to others. add some magical words that everyone defines their own way, and presto - a sale is born. doesn't solve the depressed man's problems, and yet he wonders why he's depressed.
here's what you need to know about trying to learn about vitD: it's a direct nuclear interprocess signaling hormone, of the steroid class, that is part of the tightly regulated stress effect regulation system: calcium, phosphate, bacterial infection control, skin tanning, blood pressure, kidney sugar stuff, and other trailing unmapped poor understandings. pretty clear, right? the problems of isolating a single hormone in a never ending cascade of trillions of interacting cells in an ever changing environment. news at 11.
what we do know about vitD: at best it is a trailing indicator of calcium deficiency, bacterial infection, and/or cellular damage. got rickets/bacteremia/skin cancer? then you'll most likely have elevated vitD levels. got elevated vitD levels? then you're either a gullible vitamin-popping fuck-nut homeopath/allopath/supplement worshiper, or much more rarely, you've got rickets/bacteremia/skin cancer.
what vitD is not: it is peripheral chemical control, not central, and not inter-neuron. vitD does not effect brain happiness chemistry. it does not fight cancer, though it some times indicates certain types of cancer. it does not make you healthy, though it is involved the minor dynamics of homeostasis. it's absence will kill children, but it's presence won't save said children from the growing realization that they are tools for their monster mother's happiness and the inevitable depression that follows when said tools grow up and are discarded for a new vibrator - bought with govt subsidized child extortion money that they'll pay taxes for, no less.
take vitD. it makes no physiologic difference. it won't make you any more or less healthy. it won't make you any more or less depressed. but for a transient period, you'll believe otherwise, and your own self prophecy that success is but a pill away will spur you out of depression. and isn't that placebo what you were really sold here today? it was what you were really looking for, and you found it.
[edit] in retrospect, i realize your sarcasm flew over my head. fuck.
lolthr0w 11y ago
Just ask your doctor for a copy of your blood test results at your annual checkup, or specifically request a test for vitamin deficiency.
Over-supplementation is usually not much of an issue at reasonable doses, but I would still recommend you consult with your primary care physician about it.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, it might or might not be a good idea to avoid the ones that contain soybean oil in the ingredients list. There is some debate about that.
foolery 11y ago
Great, now people are down voting you and not your words. ^this^ is solid advice, people. Furthermore I recognize and respect lolthr0w and we're not here to tone police.
Rfvthn 11y ago
Oh and you are ? Glad you met with the guy and are the master of mental illness diagnostics
MagnanimousGenius 11y ago
Psychology is not a science and should be taken with a grain of salt
And isn't what you describe closer to the realm of neuroscience?
Rfvthn 11y ago
Uhh.. once again I'm quoted as saying something I did not say
lolthr0w 11y ago
I don't have to. He already said he doesn't believe depression is actually a mental illness, what else is there to say?
That's "vaccines cause autism" level of ignorance.
foolery 11y ago
"Things can only be themselves, truth is absolute, poetry is stupid"
Rfvthn 11y ago
He actually didn't say that.
I think he is referring to depression as in the period of sadness some people go through and not an actual illness that people fight all their lives with medication and therapy.
This is just speculation, as I consider it rude to assume I automatically know what isn't plainly said..
foolery 11y ago
I am convinced that depression is over diagnosed for some and under diagnosed for others. I suspect many things prescribed for depression are limited and ineffective in the long term.
I think depression is probably used too broadly because it looks like there's chemical depression and situational depression, and OP's story CLEARLY is about the latter. I suspect that one can feed the other, and because of that I am reluctant to call one "depression" and the other "a period of sadness".
I think people have a lot of control over the way they think even before they get into supplements and fresh air and sunshine. But then again, I'm full of shit because I self-medicate with weed.
I suspect that most forms of depression are either not permanent or are manageable with proper application of will with minimal emergency help from medication. I suspect the mental health community creates new named neuroses and broadens their definitions to relabel as permanent disorders what would once have been called defective personality traits to create a kind of dependence on the mental health community. I am convinced that personality is mutable.
Rfvthn 11y ago
Well put, I agree on the situational and chemical differences as well. The entire scope of what falls under depression is vast, complex and still not completely understood.
I wish you luck with your journey on depression, I also self medicated at one point. Hopefully you've got a good vaporizer? Your lungs will thank you.
lolthr0w 11y ago
That is a real problem. Depression is a mental illness, using that word as a synonym for "sad" with the word "suicide" in the same post is utterly ridiculous.
And I consider it rude to be so flippant about issues like suicide and what is a mental illness, assume he does know it is a mental illness, in a ridiculous c'est la vie manner.
Rfvthn 11y ago
Hey, I already made the distinction and I also would rather people use it correctly. But I'm not some butthurt tumblrfag who's gonna get upset if someone doesn't use my preferred terminology. (Plus size =/= fat) We all know the score and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
I also happen to suffer from depression and it's stigma, my self harm and suicide attempts are plain to see. What most successful suffers find out is that you do have some power to not let things get to you. When everything is going to hell in a hand basket atleast mentally, on a daily basis, who the fuck cares about the small stuff. You'd be flippant too. Just to get by. And really, what is the use of your anger and rudeness? Does it make your point anymore heard? Nope. Just makes you look like a jackass.
hohamocha 11y ago
He wasn't a psychopath. If he was a psychopath he wudnt have cared about if he got girls or not. psychopaths lack emotion. Rodgers was too emotional.
RedPill115 11y ago
There is some debate on what these terms mean, but I do not agree with you at all.
The key to a psychopath is a lack of empathy, not a lack of emotion. There is a huge difference between someone who does not feel at all, vs someone who only does not feel others emotions.
Past that, there is a more informal definition between sociopath and psychopath, where a sociopath is someone who doesn't feel empathetic and social emotions (they may or may not have their own emotions), but largely still just acts normally in society. Whereas a psychopath is someone similar but who acts out and actually does harm to other people as a result.
If you have a link to other definitions, let me know, but I don't agree with the above.
hohamocha 11y ago
The study of the psychopath reveals an individual who is incapable of feeling guilt, remorse or empathy for their actions. They are generally cunning, manipulative and know the difference between right and wrong but dismiss it as applying to them. They are incapable of normal emotions such as love, generally react without considering the consequences of their actions and show extreme egocentric and narcissistic behavior.
Elliot felt love, wanted to love, and wanted to be loved by a girl
He felt he was denied love from opposite sex no matter how hard he tried. He wasnt narcissistic at all. If he was, he would be more concerned about himself and not care about getting an opportunity to love a girl. He was too emotional. Psychopaths are calm and collected. The persona he put on youtube was rehearsed btw. That wasnt his actual personality. People who knew him knew him as a shy, polite, and quiet guy
The difference between sociopath and psychopath:
Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage. They are likely to be uneducated and live on the fringes of society, unable to hold down a steady job or stay in one place for very long. It is difficult but not impossible for sociopaths to form attachments with others. Many sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, although they have no regard for society in general or its rules. In the eyes of others, sociopaths will appear to be very disturbed. Any crimes committed by a sociopath, including murder, will tend to be haphazard, disorganized and spontaneous rather than planned. Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.
Rodgers was neither sociopath nor psychopath.
RedPill115 11y ago
That is the opposite of most definitions of a sociopath that I've seen. Where did you get that from?
My definition was from wikipedia. Like I said though, the word is still somewhat ambiguous, it keeps being used in wildly different ways.
hohamocha 11y ago
Phsycology Today and a crime site. Its linked there on my comment.
And wikipedia is real murky about emotions and psycopaths
RedPill115 11y ago
Oh, I didn't realize you linked the text itself.
Your second link, though, is not an official definition, but one persons opinion of a definition:
Many forensic psychologists, psychiatrists and criminologists use the terms sociopathy and psychopathy interchangeably. Leading experts disagree on whether there are meaningful differences between the two conditions. I contend that there are clear and significant distinctions between them.
Like I said, the exact definitions are fuzzy - that's kinda what even that author is setting their article up with. The author refers to definitions that are more like what's on wikipedia before declaring he thinks they should be different.
The definition of someone who's nervous and easily agitated clashes with another common definition of a sociopath that matches more with the kind of people you find running corporations.
Other definitions I've read would say that that authors "sociopath" is what others call a "narcissist", and what that author calls a "psychopath" others would call a sociopath, except without the emphasis on violence - a lack of empathy and/or emotion. Because sociopaths are often more likely to be con artists than they are to be violent - there is little benefit to being violent in our society. There is far great benefit to be had in manipulating people into giving you their money than their is in beating them up for it.
And that leaves the term "psychopath" to describe people who have a mental issue that causes them to become violent.
My problem with a definition that tries to say that psychopaths don't have emotions, is that it rarely to never makes sense for someone with no emotions to go on a killing spree. Why would they? It's high risk, and little to no gain. You might find a couple of exceptions here and there - like a well paid mob hitman. But the kind of people who go on a killing spree? The kind of serial killers the author talks about at the end of the article? The author mentions "Dennis Rader ("Bind, Torture, Kill" or BTK)" - they have to be getting some sort of emotional response out of it, or they would have no motivation to do it repeatedly over and over again.
hohamocha 11y ago
My point is that Elliot Rodgers was definitely not the cold blooded killer the media says he was. He was just a desperate virgin who had had enough. If anything, he should be pitied.
hohamocha 11y ago
Thats true. I see how it makes sense. But I don't think Elliot Rodgers actually enjoyed killing those people. His problem was more out of desperation than out of the enjoyment of killing people.
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