Ask yourself - how much of what you consume has been in plastic?
Plastic is the tobacco of the 21st century. Problem is - you can stop smoking. You can't stop using plastic completely.
The first problem is a chemical group called phthlates. They’re used to make plastics soft and flexible, and as you might guess, they’re found in nearly all kinds of flexible plastics ranging from soda bottles to plastic bags. Phthlates are linked to delayed puberty, low testosterone, and feminine characteristics in various human and animal studies.
The second problem is a chemical called Bisphenol A or BPA. It’s also linked to low testosterone, increased estrogen, delayed puberty, and feminine characteristics in various human and animal studies (also explained in more detail below).
The third problem is that a huge list of chemicals used in the manufacturing process of plastic products are labeled as xenoestrogens, meaning that they mimic the effects of exogenous estrogen (female hormone) in the body. This includes the phthlates and BPA that I mentioned above, and also: PCBs, Bisphenol S (BPS), dioxin, vinyl chloride, styrene, phenolix, epoxy resin, PMMA, PTFE, and many many others…
https://www.anabolicmen.com/plastic-testosterone/
These are in your bottles, in your tubes of toothpaste, in your cheese packaging, in your food containers, in your plastic cups, cutlery and bags.
This Swedish study had 196 boys as subjects. The researchers measured phthlate levels from their mothers when they were still pregnant, and once the kids were 21 months old, their “anogenital distance” – which is a pretty solid fysical measurement of testosterone – was measured, to see if the phthlates had effect on the hormonal health of these 196 subject boys. The results were clear, the more phthlates the mother had in her system during pregnancy, the shorter the anogenital distance in the baby (the shorter the distance the lower the testosterone).
This study compared the men who worked at a chemical plant which manufactures BPA, to men who worked at a tap water factory. The results show that the men who worked in contact with BPA had significantly lower serum testosterone levels, and especially free testosterone levels, when compared to the tap water factory fellows.
In this study, the researches analyzed 18 different samples of bottled water. Eleven of the samples showed significant estrogenic response.
But does this affect your everyday plastic use?
In this study, the researchers tested 445 common plastic products to see if there was any estrogenic activity in them. 70% of the products induced significant estrogenic activity, and the number jumped to 95% when the products were altered to “real life” conditions, such as the microwave heat and putting them to dishwasher. Also note that many of the products in this study were labeled as BPA-free, yet they still induced estrogenic effects similar to BPA plastics.
Why isn't any government actively fighting this? Why would they?
Oh, and if that wasn't enough:
Billions are drinking water contaminated with plastic and US has it the worst, study finds
It's in your water.
benisohfug 7y ago
Yeah that's all nice and dandy but...
how I can protect myself against this?
murraydylan 8y ago
Want to know what also lowers testosterone? Worrying about this shit. Stressing out about this shit raises cortisol levels and lowers testosterone more than fucking plastic will. I bet you guys do daily activities that actively lower testosterone.
[deleted] 8y ago
Maybe it's true but I don't really buy it, even if it impacts T levels then it shouldn't be too much, compared to heredity. Natural high T won't be impacted by plastics even if they do negatively affect compared to natural low T in a plastic-free and anything else negatively impacting it free environment.
Also another poster already said it - what are you doing to do about it? The very keyboard and mouse or a screen you're touching right now is... PLASTIC!
Maybe wooden PCs are the future, like literal wooden PCs.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
I thought that modern low T is because men do less manly stuff nowadays.
Velebit 8y ago
We have no clue what T was before, the tests evolve and the algorithms change constantly, same goes with international IQ testing and penis size measuring, it's all very sketchy and if you are an activist trying to prove a point you will probably be able to make it. I literally tested my T in 3 different labs and each time it ended up significantly different. One lab was using wrong conversion methods making everyone tested have like 10% of normal T.
I read an extremely convincing thesis about shield maidens existing and than another about them not existing. Than I read stats about how literate women in ancient Rome than I read how church actively destroyed female diaries and literature from ancient Rome. It's all incredibly confusing and you can't even comprehend that until you do COMPARATIVE SCIENCE which tries to look at how things come across as you take into consideration time, location and context. For example, average IQ in many places is something that if measured in Europe means functional retardation. However those people don't go bumping heads on walls and stuff.
On the other hand our testosterone receptors are also a factor and they adjust according to testosterone the body handles on average. This is why efficiency of steroid use drops off and you have to make pauses.
On the other hand USA which has the worst exoestrogen effect has the highest birth rate of any western country, compare that to countries you know don't have any significant pollution due to low industry like Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Croatia, Greece etc.
rossiFan 8y ago
That is also a contributer.
UALaxbro 8y ago
Just start dipping chewing tobacco and your testosterone will skyrocket. Very easy fix.
dankvibez 8y ago
LOL. You are so fucking dumb if you believe that and don't know anything about science if you think that is true.
xrudeboy420x 8y ago
Chopping wood actually increases testosterone
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/08/26/chopping-wood-a-manlier-feel-than-sports/
therighttobecool 8y ago
Destroying anything with your physical strength will probably increase testosterone.
Alphadestrious 8y ago
To everyone here, get your ass in a gym, train in a martial art and stop masturbating. That's all you can control. All else will follow. Let's get it
Metalgear222 8y ago
Agreed, except for stop masturbating. Test levels will peak after a week of not jerking off. Then it starts to plummet.
I guess jerk off every 8 days if you're not having sex lol.
sd4c 8y ago
Except that masturbation is pointless. Do only that which moves you towards your mission.
Frigzy 8y ago
This mentality will make you choke tho.
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Shukakun 8y ago
Those things, and positive thinking. Not all that mumbo jumbo about visualization and daily self-appreciation mantras, that's definitely overdoing it, but learned helplessness is a real thing, it's good to take a critical look at your yourself and your habitual thoughts.
[deleted] 8y ago
What's wrong with all of those? Why should us men prevent ourselves from using all the tools available in the world to empower ourselves?
Shukakun 8y ago
If they actually are effective tools, by all means, knock yourself out. The impression I've gotten is that a lot of positivity-related practices are more similar to praying or putting crystals under your pillow.
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That's a popular impression, until, at some point in your life, you discover that at least one of those tools work for you. Not sure how old you are, but the beauty of life is many of these tools are uncovered as you go about your business and look at self growth. You mentioned crystals under your pillow - that doesn't work for me. It doesn't mean it can't work for others. These are mostly valid tools that, if one or two of them work great for you, then it would be a self-limiting belief to not use them.
Shukakun 8y ago
Things like crystals or prayer can help you, but it's psychological, it's not because the crystals have energy or god exists. Placebo can be a powerful thing for sure, so it's not entirely useless, but I tend to favor methods that are based in reality.
That being said, meditation is that a lot of people consider spiritual nonsense, but I think it has a very real positive effect that can be explained with science. It helps lower your stress and trains your discipline when it comes to not doing things you have an urge to do (in this case, having a constant inner monologue).
vitringur 8y ago
Or maybe men do less manly stuff because there is absolutely no reason to anymore.
superman127 8y ago
Get a job in a skilled trade and you do manly shit everyday.
sd4c 8y ago
This, x1000. It's very fucking simple:
1) WE EVOLVED TO BE OUTSIDE.
Most activity that would improve one's lot in life, was done out-fucking-doors. Hunting, fishing, building a house, farming, patrolling the camp. That is why if you don't go outside enough, you will become depressed.
2) IN MODERN SOCIETY WE ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO BE OUTSIDE.
If you are a student, an employee, father -basically anyone who wants to eat and not be homeless- then you have to be inside. A lot. 99% of the time, having a job means being inside. Inside cars to get to a box to sit still in until it's dark and time to drive back to your other box. Except the weekend. Then you get to either catch up on chores, or go outside.
Your boss, teachers, landlords, money-grubbing girlfriend, and the IRS want you indoors as much as possible. It may appear bright indoors, but in reality it is a fucking cave:
Typical home or office: 150 lux
Outdoors, mid-day, overcast: 1,000-2,000 lux
It's making most of our kids blind, up to 85% in Asia, and no one gives a shit. Because they are cruel assholes. Only cruel assholes would force children to ignore their instinct to be outside, and make them spend most of their life in a big box that takes away sight:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3396160/
This isn't even taking fresh air into consideration, there is 5-10% less oxygen indoors, unless you're on SCUBA or in a senior's home.
FUCK THESE PEOPLE. Fuck 'em. Refuse to go inside. Use your laptop at the coffee shop. Get a cellular modem and a tablet to work. Learn a trade like heavy equipment, forestry, or roofing. If that's not an option, arrange your reality so that you can be in nature as much as you can.
Shukakun 8y ago
There's a great reason to, it's not exactly obvious unless you try it though. Ever met a depressed martial artist? Can you even imagine one? Doing manly stuff makes men happier, because it used to be important, and evolution is slow as fuck and hasn't gotten the memo yet.
Lazysaurus 8y ago
Yes. One of my best friends is a depressed BJJ fighter.
sd4c 8y ago
Yes. Yes, I have:
In October of 2004 he was arrested for causing a disturbance on an American flight. It was soon revealed he was suffering from depression and other mental health disorders. He was forced to do time in an American time in prison and his inability to speak English or Spanish compounded his mental health issues. He soon developed an addiction to crack cocaine, possibly while still in prison. Terere has battled with his addiction since then. In 2006 he experienced a brief recovery and returned to training but he relapsed several times, the most recent coming in early 2012.
He is now clean again and being treated for his mental health problems. He is teaching again at a new academy in Rio he opened situated right next to the favela he grew up in and is also attempting to return to competition at the 2013 IBJJF European Open.
www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2013/1/22/3897418/gods-of-war-fernado-augusto-terere-bjj-jiu-jitsu-European-Open-2013-champion-arrest-drugs
kieran9323 8y ago
oh, there are ones, I just read about one offing himself, and he was accomplished, square jaw and looks of a model.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
I`ve known two martial arts teachers that offed themselves. They were probably depressed.
mistagaymer 8y ago
Cat Zinganos husband was a BJJ black belt with his own gym, hot famous wife, and kids. He still killed himself. You can do muh manly sheeet and still be blackpilled.
vitringur 8y ago
Sure, it might be healthy. That's just not why most people do things.
People didn't do manly things in the past to battle depression and existential crisis.
Shukakun 8y ago
True, you don't need to do manly things, just like you don't need to think about your calories and nutrients. You'll survive just fine eating nothing but McDonalds. Probably a pretty miserable life though.
vitringur 8y ago
Exactly. There are other reasons and explanations for people's behaviour than it all being some feminist conspiracy or some other external factor.
For example, like you pointed out, life is mostly not about survival anymore.
Which everyone would agree on is a good thing. No matter how manly someone thinks it is or isn't.
Edit:
Also, there is a fucking world between thinking about calories and just eating fast food. Most people just eat food and are relatively healthy. You don't turn into a fattie boom boom if you stop being obsessed with counting your macros. That's just mild autism.
kieran9323 8y ago
they just called it melancholia, and lying in bed all day wasn't depression, it was called being lazy
vitringur 8y ago
Yes. We didn't know as much back then.
It is amazing how much the collective human knowledge has progressed over the past centuries.
Schroef 8y ago
You're confusing cause and effect, as so many do on this forum. You're not seeing depressed martial artists because depressed people don't do martial arts, not because martial arts cures depression.
Exercising helps, makes you happier, but it's fighting symptoms, not the cause. Fighting the cause of your depression is the most important thing to do, and from there your symptoms will disappear and you can truly be happy-- exercising, socializing, going after what you want in life.
If you only treat symptoms, you will feel better on the surface, but you'll be largely faking it, and you will have to 'keep frame' for the rest of your life.
RPAlternate42 8y ago
Sometimes the cause is a feeling of uselessness. Physical activity can defeat that feeling so long as the person can tip over that edge where uselessness trumps motivation.
Those things combat the symptoms, but they also combat the causes too.
therighttobecool 8y ago
Lot of this feeling uselessness is caused by a gynocentric society though. Women are more useless than men yet they constantly talk about how men are useless but what they're saying there are men that won't do shit for them, these men have no obligation to do so and it's a way of thinking that you should know you don't have to do anything for women.
Schroef 8y ago
I agree that exercise can combat the cause too-- if you are healthier and look better, for sure it will help you feel a bit more confident and happy.
But this:
I think is not true, that is: I think there's always a deeper underlying cause to 'feeling useless', usually a form of low self esteem. And low self esteem is the root cause: feeling other people are better than you, and needing their validation to feel good about yourself.
Even you exercising might be because of the wrong reasons, like wanting validation from your peers or getting attention from (and sleeping with) attractive girls. This can be OK for a while, but if your self esteem underneath all this is still low, it's a very feeble foundation you're building your life on.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Hey thanks for your reply btw. I was waiting to write a proper reply to it but i think you have deleted it. I related to a lot of what you said and made a lot of headway with personal boundaries lately. I've only been made aware of it when I've been pushed and I surprisingly stood solid and noticed any mental preference to want to suit their agenda over any awkwardness that might occur due to a disagreement. Cheers.
Schroef 8y ago
Yeah I tend to remove posts after a while if I feel it's somewhat too personal or presumptuous. But happy you read it and could relate to it.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
I have shit low self esteem since forever. Any tips on working past it?
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[deleted] 8y ago
There's a difference between putting a video of a campfire on youtube and actually going to the woods and making fire with your hands.
Edit: That's why I think it's important for us to revisit making a fire and reminding us what we're capable off as men in terms of creating with out hands.
vitringur 8y ago
Yes. The difference is that most people no longer need to build a fire to keep warm.
In modern times it's solely a hobby.
Edit: Did I get downvoted by a survivalist that takes his hobby way to seriously and expects others to do the same?
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
I never said there was only one reason - but I can tell you that sitting all day staring at a monitor is not helping.
Galbert123 8y ago
Problem for me as well as many others is that we are coming to this realization far to late in life and too late in our careers.
sd4c 8y ago
It's not a problem, it's a pleasure-enhancer. It's never too late. "Better to live one day as a lion, than a hundred years, as a sheep."
enkae7317 8y ago
Correct. It's easy to blame "the chemicals" in our food, water, whatever, but the real issue is sedentary lifestyle coupled with growing pussiness of men, etc.
So far lifting and eating healthy helps. Cut off ALL fast food that shit is cancer. And keep sugar to a minimum. It's hard to follow the sugar rule because literally everything nowadays has some form of sugar in it whether it be glucose, fructose, galactose, etc.
willard_swag 8y ago
Precisely the route I'm taking man.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
There issue with sugar is that people are eating tons of it day after day after day after day... Week after week after week. Year after year. Over and over and over again. Your body is really good at dealing with acute, harmful stuff. Just a fraction of a fraction of harm multiplied by thousands and thousands of days of constant use is what fucks us up.
duruga 8y ago
Why can't it be both? It could even be that the chemicals predispose men for this more sedentary style of life, which in turn compounds the problem.
That's just a hypothesis. There could be a lot of interactions going on, but it is extremely suspect that this era of feminization and feminized men has happened at the same time we have started using this chemicals.
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edzackly 8y ago
I think you're right. It's a combination of factors. It seems impossible to really test or understand the effects of all that we come in contact with in modern life, especially when complicated by differences in behavior and personal body chemistry, but i think we are experiencing it now. It's a helluva coincidence that all this happens around the same time, right? It's a little silly, but I think of it like the scenario in the Tim Burton Batman, where the Joker poisons the products, and the users die from a combo effect.
Troll_Name 8y ago
"Perfect storm" - what we call it when multiple big storms join forces and teamwork better than people.
Simple advice: eat real food. Take home as little factory packaging as possible.
un-supervised-savage 8y ago
I'd like to see a citation to a study that shows sugar has a direct negative causation effect on testosterone. Sugar doesn't have a bad effect on test. It does have a negative impact on insulin sensitivity however if used improperly. Real Sugar isn't always bad. Bodybuilders use sugar to carb up faster along with reduced water intake. This only works if you depleted your glycogen stores sufficiently and train your muscles directly before the "carb up" phase with sugars and other simple carbs.
Go ten days with less than 30g of carbs then after your weightlifting session on day ten pound 400-600g of sugar with limited water. You'll feel bloated that night but the next morning you are ripped.
This happens because when you deplete your glycogen stores your body becomes insulin sensitive. When you workout the body releases insulin to shuttle more glycogen back into the muscle to recover and prepare for the next weightlifting session the muscles have to survive. Insulin can store carbs/sugars in your muscles or your fat cells. Have your carbs after a workout and they will be stored in your muscles depending on how depleted the muscles are of glycogen. Leg day you can have more compared to arm day, bigger muscle group more carbs needed to replenish them. This can also have a second effect of drawing water from your fat cells to your muscles if water intake is limited. Thus making your body fat look thinner and your muscles uptaking all the water giving the muscles a fuller look on top of the fat being less noticeable. This is called carb backloading. There's lots of info on it on the net.
I only do carb backloading to cut but to maintain I go to the carb night carb diet. Carb night diet let's you eat carbs after every workout and if you have to hit a pool party the next day, workout, carb up, reduce water intake and you'll look more lean and muscular at the pool. You can drink water again an hour before you hit the pool, it takes 12-24 hours for the body to restore the water to the fat cells. I can have 9% bf and look like I have 6-7% for a window of time. This is what competitors call peaking for there shows.
tolstushki701 8y ago
Citation is not needed, I will tell you I switched to a high fat diet, keeping my daily carb intake at 50-80g and I feel great! I have more energy, I am more focused, I don't have food cravings like I used to, acne is gone. I was warned "You need sugar for thinking" that's a total BS, I had finals and did very well on them while I was on this low carb diet. Natural sugar is ok, as long as you don't eat too much. And I lost over 20 lbs.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
What's your opinion on keto?
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un-supervised-savage 8y ago
Carb backloading is a form of Keto. Except you have a carb up day once you hit Ketosis. I don't like pure Keto diets because your muscles need carbs(muscle glycogen) to strengthen and grow. Building muscle will increase your metabolism and make staying lean easier. Cardio should only be done to improve cardiovascular health, weight training, especially for men is the fastest way to lose fat.
Weight loss simplified for men!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FGee4kQHEY&feature=share
tolstushki701 8y ago
Muscle glycogen what? To strengthen and grow? Where do you get all this? Glycogen is a storage form of glucose inside our body. It is a sugar polymer, not a building block. Building muscle increases your RESTING metabolism...Metabolism and Resting metabolism are different things.
Your body will convert excess carbohydrates into fats. When you don't have enough sugar in your blood, glycogen in your liver is broken down to glucose to increase your blood glucose concentration. When all the glycogen is used up, your body uses fats stored in your body to produce energy, so you burn fat. For growth and strength, muscles need building blocks, proteins. Glycogen in muscles is used only for energy to do some type of work.
un-supervised-savage 8y ago
You're missing the whole point. Keto is great for losing weight. This is Keto but with a few optimal windows to consume carbs when they will be stored in your muscles and not as fat. You have to be in full ketosis for it to work. Think about it, what is ketosis? Ketosis is when your body is using fat instead of glucose for energy. There is a short window that you can eat carbs and they won't be stored as fat. Why won't it be stored as fat? Reread the last sentence. Read up on carb backloading, or don't...
Glycogen in the muscle will help you lift more weight to build muscle. If you're training heavy and hard enough you will notice a difference.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Cheers. I do keto but then every 2 weeks I end up having a carb week due to social and family obligations. So that is probably helping my muscle growth. I need to do more cardio for my breathing though.
electricspresident 8y ago
Good advice thanks for the info
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It depends on the type of sugar. Constant high fructose means steadily lowering SHBG which means less testosterone over time. It's pretty straightforward.
Also 6 to 9% bodyfat isn't healthy naturally. You're probably using those scales that massively under estimate bodyfat, but I'm nitpicking.
(serious) Bodybuilders are on exogenous testosterone more often than not and don't really have to care about too much sugar for a number of reasons.
un-supervised-savage 8y ago
Insulin manipulation can be done with great results on or off of testosterone/steroids. Insulin and test are not the same hormone. Sugar has no effect on your testosterone levels. However eating sugar/simple carbs/aspartame(sweetener in diet drinks) will release insulin and if you eat it all day long your body won't be able to burn fat while insulin is in your blood stream.
Diet is just as critical for a juicer as it is for a natty. On testosterone your body will build more muscle and will require more calories. More muscle makes being lean easier. You can build quit a bit of muscle quickly naturally if you've never seriously lifted before.
[deleted] 8y ago
Let's make it simple - what are your credentials and experience on this topic.
un-supervised-savage 8y ago
I've been studying training and different diets for 20 years. I've went from 135 6'2" 12% bf to 230 at the same height and 12.4% bf measured on a bod pod, over 20 years. Put 50lbs on in the first 4 years. I never said I was an expert. I just asked for a citation to a reputable study that shows that sugar lowers testosterone. High Fructose corn syrup Is different and I avoid it at all costs. I don't compete or use steroids but I lift with many that do and have been very successful with those diet tips to continue to make progress while staying lean. 9% body fat is not unhealthy for a male, I maintain 9% for about 5 months over the summer. I said to temporarily look like 6-7%. I have been 6% before for a short period of time and that was with a bod pod measurement not a bs hand held monitor.
I also said that there is lots of info about diets like carb backloading and how insulin affects the body. If consuming sugar three times a week does in fact cause some slight reductions in test levels, they are far outweighed by the anabolic state caused by weight training and spiking your insulin levels with sugar and other simple carbohydrates. If you're unaware that insulin is far more anabolic than testosterone then you have much to learn my friend.
Also state your credentials.
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Pharmacist and anabolic user my friend.
I was talking about fructose, not "sugar" which is an extremely broad term. Most people associate "sugar" in diet with some form of fruit, saccharose, HFCS and so on. These WILL be a problem if consumed day/week/year round for a lifetime. Some of what you're saying is right but it's mostly very simple facts based on your own experience. Anecdotes of healthy people mean jack shit in today's society full of low T men. Why are their hormones so bad? They don't train hard, yes. They don't spend time in the sun, okay. They eat a boatload of crap, that's the elephant in the room. That's what's wrecking havoc on the thyroid, the liver, thusly the steroid hormones. Too many physiology books to open on the matter for me to look up and drop a satisfactory study.
I'll bet you a good amount of money that you're not at a single digit body fat on a DXA which is accurate. Bod pods aren't any better than scales. I know this is theredpill not a scientific sub but I'd appreciate if people kept things in context instead of thinking based on their own n=1
un-supervised-savage 8y ago
You mean a DEXA. The one shown to be just as inaccurate as the bod pod. Over 10% off at times.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10393132/
I know accurately measuring body fat is an extremely difficult task. At 9% I see vascularity in my lower abs and my upper obliques have clearly observable striations. At 12% my abs are still visible at rest. At 14% and up I have to flex to see my abs. The bod pod isn't as far off if you're in there with no clothes on.
Pesticides are also a concern and have effects on test. Organic fruits and veggies are a staple of my diet plus vitamin D3, zinc, magnesium. Sleep hygiene is very important to.
I'd recommend being less petty trying to correct pointless examples in people's posts to discredit them and their ideas, who's post you stated overall was correct. I'm trying to be helpful and contribute helpful information to this thread. The whole use of body fat% wasn't to brag, but to give a measurable example to show the significance of my technique in improving appearance. The technique and diets I speak of may be not be researched thoroughly by scientists but it is valid and works. Ask pro bodybuilders how unimportant their peaking phase for stage prep is. I just follow a simpler and less drastic version of it for myself and it still gives me great results. But at the end of the day I'll quote the Hodge twins with "Do whatever the FUCK you wanna do."
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djthiago1 8y ago
Not true, eat natural and you won't be eating added sugar. They don't add sugar to vegetables, grains and meat.
Obio1 8y ago
There's natural and there's natural though. Plenty of misguided people still think fruit juice is "good for you".
kieran9323 8y ago
the ones made from concentrate I agree, but hard pressed are healthy if you're getting enough fiber
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JamesSkepp 8y ago
As much as I'm all for this post, this is not an excuse to say "i have no gains b/c i drink liquids in plastic".
The impact of "plastic" on T levels might as well be true (or might be not, science will tell sooner or later). So far there's enough evidence (despite rather simplistic conclusions b/c endoctrine system is a bit more complicated than "just measure T levels" as is the chemistry of "plastic" interactions with it) to warrant further research, which is being done.
What is true 100%, without any doubt, is that men have been drinking from plastic bottles for decades and still lifted and achieved great physiques. Do not use this post as an excuse for being a wimp.
vandaalen 8y ago
If you suspect you have low T, your first action should be to go and get your bloodwork done.
There is an instructional available on r.testosterone on how to do it properly, since most doctors don't know shit about it: http://archive.is/Q46Ne
Rian_Stone 8y ago
I can guarantee my whiskey habit fucks with them more than BPA.
Low hanging fruit
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Science has already said it is.
100% true.
Rabbit-Punch 8y ago
Science hasn't it showed that it reduces T in everyone to a meaningful amount yet.
cazbot 8y ago
Scientist here. Science has suggested it is. That is a big difference. Not until the findings have been repeated many times and in many ways can you ever say science has found something truly factual. This isn't there yet.
WISE_TURD 8y ago
Here are some things I've learned:
Get enough sleep
lower stress
lift heavy. never do steady state cardio, if you must, no more than a 5k and you better book it.
intermittent fasting
6.avoid sugar (especially if you want to continue drinking)
cold showers
avoid BPA's (as OP said) - get a stainless steel water bottle and only drink filtered water
increase saturated fat intake
increase omega 3:omega 6 ratio
Foods to eat:
Foods to avoid:
a good way to go is eat 100% clean when you're alone (during the week), then friday night - saturday night do whatever. If you're grabbing drinks during the week, try to eat at home and get a quick lift in prior.
Lack of sleep is a killer because it raises cortisol (cortisol levels are inversely related to testosterone).
If you're lifting daily and sleeping <6 hours a night, you're probably doing more harm than good. Aim for 9 hours when lifting over an hour a day.
Edit: formatting, added foods to avoid
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Awesome post. Can you post a double ENTER after every number? That way it's nice and formatted in a list :)
logicalthinker1 8y ago
You don't believe nutrition facts anymore??? Lololol they aren't the tooth fairy buddy.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Lol I actually do all of these things. Not sure how much of a difference it makes to not doing it.
Rollo_Mayhem3 8y ago
two things that need explaining to me:
what is "steady cardio" and why is it not recommended here? and why do "cold showers" boost T?
Thanks for your response.
MurphyRise 8y ago
why no steady state cardio?
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sd4c 8y ago
Cortisol sucks. But- If you're really tired, is it better to get an extra hour of sleep (say 7 total), or to lift while drowsy and get only 6?
LazyMagus 8y ago
What do you think about soaking almonds vs just having them dry? Any pros or cons?
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
Great post.
One amendment: I love tasty food so I adhere mostly to this food list without ever compromising by eating food that isn't tasty.
Couple of ways to make food taste great:
quality olive oil (good fats & omega, make sure you have one for heating, one for cold food. There's a reason gordon fucking ramsey pours it on everything)
a pinch of salt (A little salt brings out all flavors better. Though anyone that eats processed or fast food generally overeats on salt heavily, when you cut those out you don't have too much of a surplus of salt. Don't use those big grain sea salts, they taste milder meaning you eat more salt.)
fresh herbs (mint, parsley, koriander and the like give good soft flavors to foods, are healthy and should be used in amounts similar to other ingredients like vegetables.)
Garlic (a tradeoff since there is no way to prevent the sulfur from making you smell out of your mouth and pores. It is however very healthy and a great tastemaker. Raw or cooked both work.)
Lemon (fresh lemon juice improves a lot of dishes.)
Of course once you're used to lowered sugar intake, many things start to taste great, even brocolli is sweet.
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Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
Sure, but chances are overwhelming that each of us are eating too much salt.
Furious00 8y ago
A lot of olive oil is fake. It's also not that healthy. Canola oil is better. Coconut oil is best.
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Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
I did say quality olive oil. Do your own research to make sure what you're buying is quality. There is a lot of faux quality olive oil on the market.
In what regard do you consider quality olive oil unhealthy?
Furious00 8y ago
Omega ratios. Olive oil is 9:1 omega-6 to omega-3. Canola is 2:1. Coconut is 2:7.
S-Blaze 8y ago
Canola oil is gmo shit mate.
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RonieGarret 8y ago
Could you please suggest good water filter?
WISE_TURD 8y ago
Berkey filters are serious. Pricey though.
Carbon filters that have no plastics (glass or stainless steel) involved are a safe bet.
If you must get one with plastic (they are the cheapest option), ensure that it's bpa free. Although i'm guessing there other chemicals that leech from plastic that we don't know about yet, so that's something to consider. Definitely better than nothing in my opinion.
SmellsLikeNostrils 8y ago
Look into zerowater.
Good ratings, good taste.
Ferccini07 8y ago
Hi, my first post here. This is true, I have a degree in Chemical Engineering and we learned this in faculty (BPA and phtalates). However, we learned not only that it lowers Testosterone, but impaired male reproducibility as well and it was banned when the study showed it. So, I am not really sure if EU countries or US still use it in polymer production. I'm from Croatia, EU. You have to realise there are many types of plastics and polymers. For example, coca cola bottle is PET which is safe to use. PP is also safe, and PS for example is not. Everything is labeled and marked, just read and educate yourself.
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Will distilling water remove all the plastic polymers and phlates?
swoletrole 8y ago
Wow another Cro red Piller, kaj ima lima?!
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Water is predominantly piped through some sort of PVC piping in the USA. Seems that may be contributing to the problem.
rp614 8y ago
I am a senior about to graduate with a degree in chemical engineering. Any advice?
Ferccini07 8y ago
In Croatia its not easy for young people to find a job in any field except IT. With chemical eng its not so bad but we are very limited if we dont wanna relocate to other countries.If you're American I think you should be fine. My advice is to avoid oil industry, I think it will not last long..I work in a pharmaceutical company and I think this is very nice field to work in..also my job is not really chem eng but chemist. I would also suggest to learn programming in your free time. It could help you a lot as a chem eng but also in general
thegymismysanctuary 8y ago
I think the oil industry will be around for a while yet. Even if it doesn't give you a full career, I wouldn't advise against it as it will certainly give you a really good grounding in the fundamentals of engineering work.
Ferccini07 8y ago
Youre right about that. Engineering skills required in an oil industry are very valuable. It easy to swith to any other field later
The_DogeWhisperer 8y ago
Also a chem E major here looking to go into pharm. I have the option to switch to a Chemistry major before I take too many more engineering classes- Which major do you think would land me a better job in the industry?
Ferccini07 8y ago
I think engineering is always a better choice. You learn how to think as a problem solver. You have more options in many fields. Chemistry is pure science, too philosophical and too much unnecessery in-depth knowledge. Chem E is industry and business oriented and you get wider knowledge
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swordshab 8y ago
They're making the freaking frogs gay!!!!
inscnmya 8y ago
Okay, what about tap water? I hear all kinds of rumors on how its tainted with a chemical so that people would be more obedient?
I drink water from plastic bottles mostly to be able to count the L of water I drink per day. I'm guessing its not good for my balls.... Is the solution to buy a reusable container?
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Yes, a glass one would be better. Plastic is especially bad if those bottles are worn and sometimes get hot.
berryfarmer 8y ago
My T levels skyrocketed after removing animal products from my diet.
The biased response on this sub is you can't be a man without meat. Good luck with that.
https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/
pizzae 8y ago
I don't believe that plastic or any of these chemicals can change someone's beliefs from the truth, to lies. All it can do is affect ones mood and productivity, but it won't remove red pill thoughts.
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Plastic engineer checking in here. Lets talk.
First, BPA is a pre-cursor chemical to only one type of plastic: polycarbonate (PC). PC is clear and tough. Nalgene bottles, safety glasses, basically anything that you want tough and clear and plastic is probably PC. Modern processes to their best to 'scrub' the BPA out of PC when they produce it, but there is trace amounts leftover. Best bet it to avoid PC bottles.
Second, phtalates. These are used almost exclusively in PVC. Their purpose is to make PVC more flexible. We get exposure to PVC in our shower curtains, pool liners, and more recently in water pipes. A lot of water pipes are now bing converted to PVC in homes (from copper). Their may be some phalate 'leaks' in PVC pipes. Copper is still a good option, as it PEX. Some food packaging films are also PVC.
So what plastic is safe? A lot really. The FDA had guidelines on what is food safe and what is not. BPA is not food safe, but there is a lower threshhold that we cannot test for on a routine basis. If you are super paranoid - just avoid it. Phalates are more pervasive and a lot are food contact approved. So that leaves PP, PE, PET, PS, etc etc....
I don't really believe that plastic is evil (I'm biased) - I believe the T crisis it has more to do with food and lifestyle choices.
AMA about plastics.
borntobeanincel 8y ago
are beta males beta because of low testosterone? if yes then if someone is beta isn't this because this is just how they were created?
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
In animals, the betas are the ones that are below alphas but can replace him at any time when he dies.
IRL, any beta can become alpha, it just takes a lot of work on some and people should do it on their own. Don't try to convert a friend, or something.
wst4 8y ago
Maybe it's the plastic dildos they use on themselves.?
therighttobecool 8y ago
The term beta has become the term for "loser" but a beta in reality is more like 2nd to alpha, alpha in training, potential to be an alpha or to overthrow the alpha. There are worst males like gamma males or something I heard.
vandaalen 8y ago
Yep. And because of this simple truth, we should also let diabetics die, since it's they way they were created...
TrenGod37 8y ago
Nope I know guys who do roids and their test is over 1500 and they still are beta as fuck. It helps but it doesn't solve the problem
Hillarysdilddo_2016 8y ago
Or someone grew up beta because they were chemically castrated since the womb.
kez88 8y ago
Meh I don't know how much I believe this is actually an issue. Whilst it may be true these things occur, how much does it affect testosterone and it's production?
Everything 'affects' something, but until you can say it will decrease your test by 5% or 10% or whatever the number is, i'm not going to worry. If dudes on here are worried, get your test levels checked and see how you go. If its low, consider some options.
To try cut EVERYTHING plastic out is incredibly hard and may not even be worth it.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Sperm counts in men have halved in the last 40 years.
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kez88 8y ago
that doesn't mean the cause is plastic
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
It's been a theory by scientists investigating the matter. I think we'll see the connection in science within a couple of years.
HardworkITrust 8y ago
Excessive masturbation to internet porn has doubled in the last 40 years. That's why sperm count is so low. You blow your load twice everyday not allowing your sperm to mature which in return makes you produce more sperm that isn't mature to replace those that have been shot out. This cycle leads to a drastic lowering of sperm. Not because of my plastic shaker cup. Don't ejaculate for 30 days and get a sperm test done and you'll be surprised with your sperm/ml number.
josiasx 8y ago
Try reading the dudes article.
"After accounting for factors including age and how long men had gone without ejaculation, the team found that sperm concentration fell from 99 million per ml in 1973 to 47.1 million per ml in 2011 – a decline of 52.4% – among western men unaware of their fertility. "
"The team split the data based on whether the men were from western countries – including Australia and New Zealand as well as countries in North America and Europe – or from elsewhere.....By contrast, no such trends were seen for men in other countries – although the authors caution that far fewer studies have been carried out among such populations."
So this low sperm count, has nothing to do with fapping. And is only in western countries.
Also
"Numerous possibilities have been mooted, with research suggesting links to body weight, a lack of physical activity, smoking, and exposure of pregnant women to chemicals found in myriad household products, known as endocrine disruptors."
But I'll tell you, their is a cure for low testosterone. The sent of a women, can raise your T levels. Especially an ovulating women.
So get out their, flirt and have fun.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Is there science for yours? Because there's science for mine.
AngriestBeaver 8y ago
Do you have a degree of any sort. I'm all for eating healthy, lifting, and avoiding environmental hazards. I filter all my water, and there's tons of historic examples large corporations poisoning the water, air, etc. I'm not saying there is no merit to your post, but I question your ability to fully evaluate and critique these studies. You seem to correlate low sperm in the gen pop to the use of these plastics. The science is sound that high exposure to BPA is a risk and, but when you take it to the point of government conspiracy and politicize it you lose a lot of credibility. You're getting awfully close to infowars territory here. I don't trust the government to keep the air or water clean, but that's more due to a gutted EPA in the pocket of Monsanto and the like, led by the inept Scott Pruitt. What I'm getting at, is I think your overstating the dangers and it comes off politically charged after reading through this comment section; and rather than an honest scientific meta analysis you claim it to be.
therighttobecool 8y ago
I forgot this one as well. Ejaculation lowers Test. Excessive ejaculation in a period of a day to exhaustion from a study has shown that it can increase estrogen effects on your body. It's okay to shoot one off as your T will drop but it will bounce back so it's only a temporary loss but don't get addicted to it. Not ejaculation for a week on the other hand can boost Test
The way porn is easier to access then several decades ago is increasing this loss in T as well.
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vandaalen 8y ago
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Can, may, should, would... Hätte, hätte, Fahrradkette.
Bullshit. Already beat my meat several times aday to porn in the 80s. Others before me used catalogues, pin up card decks, etc.pp.
Rian_Stone 8y ago
nofap is really getting clever with the bait n switch posts
vandaalen 8y ago
An inevitable pathetic NoFap retard appears. NoFap retard uses bro-science. It's not very effective.
HardworkITrust 8y ago
Let me guess you wank it several times a day? I'm too busy approaching real women and having my releases with fwb. But keep telling yourself masturbation is healthy, while you masturbate I'll fuck a real girl ;)
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un-supervised-savage 8y ago
Carb backloading is Keto with a 1-5 carb up meals after a 10 day strict Keto diet. Keto works easier for a lot of folks because it's easier to cut carbs than to measure everything you eat. Calories in/calories out always applies. Keto just makes it easier to be in a calorie deficit with the added benefit of making you more insulin sensitive.
You can loose fat on a diet of only sugar and protein but you will be hungry as fuck because sugar and simple carbs for that matter are the least satiating food there is. People fail to loose weight because they fail to stay in a calorie deficit. Finding a diet that you can stick to is key. Keto isn't for everyone and it's not the only way. Hell the most successful diet Advise I've given was to eat 6-8oz of lean meat and 2cups of steamed green veggies before touching any carbs. Most feel full after that and can't eat many if any carbs. Carbs are vital to building muscle as fast as possible, more muscle = faster metabolism which makes staying lean easier. Carbs are only vital right after a workout when the muscles will absorb them for growth. The time of day that you eat them doesn't matter.
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rossiFan 8y ago
Same. Office Yeti and home Yeti and truck Yeti.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Glass!!!
Glass can be heated, glass can be washed in the diswasher (both of these things release shitton of the bad stuff in plastics), glass can be 100% recycled, and glass feels a lot better.
dankvibez 8y ago
Yeah, I use glass all the time when drinking water. Also I use real dishes, instead of paper plates.
perplexedm 8y ago
+1 for glass, and am already practicing this at my home for last 3-4 years. What ever plastics that can be replaced is replaced either with glass or metal.
And I don't understand why all the anti pollution, anti waste, recycling, environment protection folks are not focusing on glass.
And we should use cotton clothes more...
duruga 8y ago
Ceramic also. Use ceramic plates and bowls instead of plastic.
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WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
That is true. But if you buy your veggies whole (which is healthier, cheaper and fresher) and don't use plastic bottles, you can easily halve your intake from these things.
mephju 8y ago
Most dishwashers have some kind of plastic inside of them as well. At least here in Switzerland/Germany.
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WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
True. It's a big fucking conspiracy.
But, you should know that food you ingest has the potential of fuckign with your hormones a lot more than something that might've stayed on your dishes.
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max_peenor 8y ago
Legal Cohabiting Female threw away all the plastic wear in our kitchen one day. Came home and it was all in the trash. It's just glass, steal and stoneware now. It took her almost a month to find suitable water bottles to carry out and about.
I found it odd because she regularly tells me how scary and aggressive I can be, you'd think she would have done the opposite.
(No bloopers, I've never hit her and I don't yell at her.)
AwakenedSovereign 8y ago
Did you find her at CostCo or WholeFoods?
max_peenor 8y ago
In uniform carrying an M-16.
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Mescuzzi 8y ago
What brand of water bottle? I have a Nalgene 32 oz plastic water bottle I refill multiple times a day. Looking to make the switch to metal after this post
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max_peenor 8y ago
https://www.amazon.com/Aladdin/b/ref=w_bl_hsx_s_ki_web_9621098011?ie=UTF8&node=9621098011&field-lbr_brands_browse-bin=Aladdin
But here's the problem. They got bought so and it seems they are pushing a ton of other shit now, so I dunno. The bottles she bought seem to be all steel with some sort of rubber fixture for grip, but it's steel on steel wherever you have water and contact.
For the record, she is also freaked out about aluminum and copper. I've explained to her in detail how the latter actually catalyses impurities and whatnot, and she totally understands it and follows along. She still doesn't like it. heh. Women are fucking awesome.
(Yes, bloops, I'm mean that.)
Mescuzzi 8y ago
If I may, GOOD Women are fucking awesome :)
Thanks for the link, most appreciated brotha
Desadarius 8y ago
All you can do is just do your best to avoid plastics. Use glass containers to store food and drink tap water out of glass bottles.
Or get on a cycle.
bumbuff 8y ago
You're getting more estrogen in fast food than you are plastic leeching.
Not to say plastic isn't a culprit. But is cut out the worst offenders first before you go nuts otherwise
menial_optimist 8y ago
Looks like glass bottles are still the best to use.
therighttobecool 8y ago
Lot of xenoestrogens, pthalates is also found in your detergent, fabric softener, bathroom soap, shampoo don't think you're escaping from all that just from plastics.
Men T is dropping but not just from these products. It's a combination of different things. Patriarchy and feminism is another reason why male T is dropping. Patriarchy makes it so women becomes some kind of holy being we're not allowed to touch unless we consent towards it and Feminism supports that further. That lowers T. We sleep a lot less in this generation which also puts a big strike on T and our quality of sleep is worst since we have so much lights on around our modern light preventing us from a deep REM sleep. We don't fast as much as people back then. Eating wasn't some kind of hobby for people back then, they ate to refuel that was it. High sugar products like sucrose jacked foods/drinks and high fructose syrup are other reasons. Today's patriarchy and feminism also set our minds to be much different from men back then. Ancient men when they saw a woman they liked they just snatched her up, we are socially engineered to not do that which lowers our T further.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Yup, it's a combo. But you have to find the causes to find the fixes. This is one cause. There are many more. Tackle them.
Verne89 8y ago
All those who were being tagged as "crazy conspiracy theorist" must be in a strange mind state now
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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/01/brett-mckay/how-i-doubled-my-testosterone-levels-naturally-and-you-can-too/
rossiFan 8y ago
And when you turn 40, go get your test shots, boys. Insurance covers it usually.
6-_-j 8y ago
Unfortunately plastic is too big to fail. Maybe with enough pressure and light changes could be made to make it safer but as I see it, the profits are too big for corporations to ever stop producing it.
eks91 8y ago
www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article171475582.html
Drumcode-Equals-Life 8y ago
Environmental Engineer here, if you're serious about your water quality and plastic contaminants such as those mentioned in the post (which is very well-researched I might add), I would very much recommend buying a whole-home reverse osmosis (RO) filtration system. It has the capability to remove 99% of most molecular contaminants in the water supply.
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Drumcode-Equals-Life 8y ago
In a sense, you end up wasting somewhere between 40 to 60% of the feed water to the system. In the grand scheme of things for a large municipality, that's not even a fraction of a drop in the bucket.
If you wanted to be more environmentally friendly, you could purchase a smaller unit solely for your kitchen sink and limit the waste. However, but you risk exposure to contaminants that can absorb through the skin (such as lead, mercury, and arsenic) via the shower or bathroom sink when you wash your body or hands in this scenario.
Think about it this way, anybody in the greater Flint region affected by the lead outbreak with a whole-home RO system had access to clean drinking water where all of their neighbors did not, because RO acts as an ultimate barrier to heavy metals such as lead.
Trainmasta 8y ago
Governments won't fight this, they are actively promoting population reductions and this fits into the overall plan. "They are turning the freakin frogs gay!" Is not just a meme, it's actually a thing
dankvibez 8y ago
It's funny because a lot of people call liberal's pussies for wanting to test drinking water more frequently, and hold companies more accountable for disposing toxic wastes properly. Maybe the people who don't want to do that are the actual pussies, they are addicted to dat estrogen mimicker.
IMO, if you are willing to sacrifice the quality of air/water so some company can improve their bottom line, you are a fucking faggot. The government actually will do things to improve water if people make it an issue, the problem is people are too considered about dumb things like trans-bathrooms for this to make it into the spotlight.
dankvibez 8y ago
It's funny because a lot of people call liberal's pussies for wanting to test drinking water more frequently, and hold companies more accountable for disposing toxic wastes properly. Maybe the people who don't want to do that are the actual pussies, they are addicted to dat estrogen mimicker.
IMO, if you are willing to sacrifice the quality of air/water so some company can improve their bottom line, you are a fucking faggot. The government actually will do things to improve water if people make it an issue, the problem is people are too considered about dumb things like trans-bathrooms for this to make it into the spotlight.
sporkhoarder 8y ago
Soooo - how do I defend myself against this moving forward? I can't just ignore plastic, it's everywhere.
arthurabyssal 8y ago
Glass bottled water is getting harder to find these days. Tapwater in the UK is recycled and I am sure it is lacking in electrolytes and minerals. And Bottled water comes in plastic. Anabolicmen, 'The 4 Hour Body' by Tim Ferris, Bulletproof and Dr Berg and Thomas Delauer on YouTube are all great resources to increase testosterone. Main things I've learnt are: DON'T: No plastics; less synthetic clothing (especially underwear), don't put your cellphone near your balls, don't snack throughout the day, don't eat or interact with mint, lavender and tea-tree, don't wear most deodorants (find a natural one like 'Salt of The Earth', I sweat a lot and it works better than most deodorants), don't walk around cars too much, don't have soy, liquorice or flaxseed. Dont have sugar, limit dairy to butter. I still have Kefir a few times a week though because the benefits outweigh the costs. Don't smoke and don't smoke pot it has T-lowering effects. Do: Sprint, weights, walk with good posture, argue and debate more (eg: in university or school) well-sourced red meat, well-sourced eggs (the yolks should be almost orange-red and shells should be darker), cod liver oil, green vegetables like spinach to bind to and remove estrogens, almonds (around 20 for vitamin E), 3-6 Brazil nuts a day (works better than a selenium supplement), sleep 8-10 hours a night (keep room cool, no phones or screens before bed), mushrooms, pink salt for more minerals, grass-fed butter from a local farm or from Kerrygold (found at most shops), garlic, onion, intermittent fasting, activated charcoal, Vitamin D3 supplement even if you live in a Sunny area or country you are most likely deficient. D is not a vitamin but a steroid hormone. Take cold showers. And the best way to increase testosterone: Watch 300 or 300 Rise of An Empire ;)
Also a better way to lose weight and detoxify is to straight up fast as oppossed to eating low calorie everyday. The effects are phenomenal and your testosterine only dips a bit, but shoots way above baseline when you refeed. You also keep more muscle (if not all) from fasting because of Human Growth Hormone (but don't take branched-chain-amino-acids because they dispute HGH). Low calorie diets still trigger insulin (unless you are on keto) which allows your HGH to drop and your muscles to be used for energy instead of fat. Which is why people who lose a lot of weight also end up looking weak.
therighttobecool 8y ago
Reduce alcohol consumption
I'd also expect men that live away from women and a feminized society to have higher T.
Men that live out in the woods in a cabin, men in prison etc. are some examples of men that will have higher T.
faissaloo 8y ago
As someone with eczema, I can testify to the fact that UK water is absolute trash.
TheGillos 8y ago
Everything you say is spot on.
I just finished a short 64 hour fast. Also keto for life!
I'll be paying attention to the plastic shit, coincidentally my brother mentioned the micro plastic particles in the drinking water yesterday.
LOST_TALE 8y ago
THIS IS THE DAY WE FIGHT
THIS IS THE DAY THEY DIE
not: this is the day we die *
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Synthetic underwear and clothes (polyester) does this lower T? I'm wearing exofficios right now
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arthurabyssal 8y ago
"Lavender and tea tree oil caused gynecomastia (man boobs) in adolescent boys, which reversed when the boys stopped using topical products containing lavender and tea tree oil, but no significant estrogen changes were observed in studies with larger sample sizes.[29][30]" - Bulletproof
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LOST_TALE 8y ago
So what can we do?
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WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
You can drink bottled water, just not 2L out of plastic bottles that are meant to be disposed of (marked with a 1). 3 and 7 are also bad.
MindTheFuture 8y ago
Tap water can be filtered. Check out the ones that use reverse osmosis -method as part of the filtering process. There are some available that fit under the sink. Just know that filtering take time, so water will come out at low pressure and filling a kettle takes longer. Still, enough for home cooking and drinking.
Hillarysdilddo_2016 8y ago
Problem is, all RO systems are constructed from plastic: the tubing, the tank, and the membrane. I'd be concerned that you would end up with higher xenoestrogens because now on the filter side you have pure water, and it will leech xenoestrogens faster to restore osmotic balance. However you would get rid of a myriad of upstream contaminates like lead and pharmaceuticals, so maybe the net benefit is still positive. I don't know.
MindTheFuture 8y ago
Good concerns. So, there might be market for RO-systems/mods where the filtered side would be procecced through glass/ceramics/metals. Were someone knowledgeable on the market and engineering minded, this might be worth of looking into as nieche product.
Hillarysdilddo_2016 8y ago
This is exactly what I searched for. Not sure the demand but I know I wanted it.
idgaf- 8y ago
I dug a little deeper, and found this disturbing study:
From http://www.motherjones.com/food/2013/03/study-eating-fresh-local-and-organic-wont-protect-you-nasty-chemicals/
Turns out, most milk and milk products have high levels. Even if organic, grass-fed, etc, due to the plastic tubing involved in milk production. There seems to be no way to avoid this if you want to drink milk.
Meat also has high levels, due to the plastic used transporting feed & feeding animals. Shit.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Fuck. Well, try to cut back where you can
un-supervised-savage 8y ago
I'd recommend doing at least one carb up meal a week. This also helps with keeping your metabolism from slowing on a reduced calorie diet.
liquidrummer2 8y ago
"Science Inside" lol.... When did linking to and quoting articles become science? If you knew science you would have dose sizes in different products along with some statistically significant data points. Go back to the gym and leave the science to scientists. Red pill fail once again.
npachikara 8y ago
Linking (citing) and quoting papers is the basis for scientific research so I'd say he's doing alright.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Are you stupid? There's literally scientific research inside, and if you clicked on the last study you'd see that there's a lot of data points and real-world numbers on many products.
liquidrummer2 8y ago
No, I'm not stupid. But this is far from scientific. Keep up the name calling it really looks good on you.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
And you keep not-reading my posts
liquidrummer2 8y ago
After this deep scientific debate, I will, along with the rest of this sub...
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
84% upvoted this post, I got many positive messages, and helped folks. I think they'll keep on reading.
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kagetsuki23 8y ago
this can help https://www.anabolicmen.com/foods-that-boost-testosterone-naturally/
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vandaalen 8y ago
Fucking bullshit.
This will shut down your body's production and you don't want to deal with it unless you absolutely have to. Absolutely get your bloodwork done, especially if you are over 30-40, but don't just start treatment if it is not necessary.
Also 175-200mg e7d is most likely too much for most. I am on 125mg e5d at 6'1 and 240lbs and training MMA 6-8 times a week, and it puts me right arounf a total T of 800 and a free T of 133.
Let aside you will also risk problems with estradiol at that amount, worsening your problems.
TrenGod37 8y ago
It also depends what type of ester you're using. 175-200mg a week isn't much that much and shouldn't bring you up that high. That's a typical cruise dose but everyone is different. regardless yes. Get labs. Always.
The_Gentleman_Thief 8y ago
Do you have any (b)acme from this? I want to go on TRT but I had almost deforming acne all through my teens which set me back a decade socially.
I am not willing to go on accutane ever again.
vandaalen 8y ago
Not really. At least not in the face. I take 50mg of zink daily though which is supposed to counter acne as well as some other issues. Maybe a post on r.testosterone about it.
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TrenGod37 8y ago
Both of you need to stfu and up your tren
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TrenGod37 8y ago
I said tren not weak ass winny! Step it up
And is your ticep the muscle located next to or below your tricep?
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TrenGod37 8y ago
No it isn't. It's water based. Prop is pretty shitty tho
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dankvibez 8y ago
Damn man. I'm sorry to hear about your issues, I hope things get better. I would try to get away from that place if I could.
Mescuzzi 8y ago
Anyone read about metals found in deodorants? When your applying deodorants on a daily basis to your armpits, that has to lower T production. Anyone know of any products without these T lowering chemicals?
Shaman6624 8y ago
I was wondering if you could maybe ingest something to help your body get rid of BPA's and this is what I found: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18540113
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WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Holy shit that's great, thank you!
ShotgunTRP 8y ago
Ironically the drink Yakult that contains these cultures is sold in plastic drink bottles.
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Shukakun 8y ago
I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure this is a disappearingly small contributor to low testosterone, compared to the fact that we barely fight, risk our lives or even move these days.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
Absolutely right. It's a negligent impact. All conspiracy theories are based on a grain of truth. Fluoride is toxic to people...but not at really low concentrations. It's actually great for your teeth at low concentrations and won't do anything to your body. Similarly, lead is in basically everything at some almost imperceptible concentration. But not approaching anything even close to what would be considered worrisome let alone dangerous.
This thread is filled with Alex Jones nut jobs who don't understand toxicity levels.
afkb39sdfb 8y ago
The FEMA camps and chemtrails man!
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
It's pretty sure you're no scientist, indeed.
Shukakun 8y ago
Are you saying it's the other way around, then? They're intentionally turning our frogs gay? I should get off the grid while I still can? Before they put a chip in me? #Illuminati?
Not saying the chemicals we absorb on a daily basis don't matter whatsoever, but it's healthier to think "I'm sad and lethargic because of my lifestyle, I should change" than "I'm sad and lethargic because everything is a conspiracy and they're poisoning our food and water".
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
No, but I sourced every single claim, and you didn't source yours. Meanwhile Testosterone has dropped in men in the last 40 years, sperm count has literally halved, and plastics have increased by a shitton.
Shukakun 8y ago
Your claim that plastics reduce our testosterone is reasonable. Your conclusion that this is somehow a major factor and extremely important however, is just not. Whether or not you lift affects testosterone much more than plastic does. Whether or not you masturbate a lot affects testosterone much more than plastic does. Whether or not you're setting goals in your life and pursuing them affects testosterone much more than plastic does.
But for anyone reading this, rest assured, chemicals in your food and water aren't the reason you're a loser. The Jews aren't the reason you're a loser. Earth being flat and the moon landing being fake isn't the reason you're a loser. Your attitude and your choices in life is the reason. So fix it.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
NoFap is indeed another great way of getting more Testosterone.
Shukakun 8y ago
To a certain threshold, at least. It's not like going three years without cumming is going to turn you into a chiseled man-god. The important thing is that doing it too often, habitually, will absolutely fuck you up and leave you a husk of a man with zero motivation.
I think the "You are not allowed to make yourself cum, only women are" is a reasonable approach though. Lights a fire under your ass and makes sure you actually make progress. Fucking a girl four times a day for three days straight does leave you lethargic and is probably overdoing it, but it sure beats watching porn and jerking off four times a day for three days.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Sex raises testosterone (although probably not infinitely), so that's indeed a MUCH more healthy approach to life.
Since I applied this, it has been a hell of a ride
Shukakun 8y ago
I'm curious, how long has your longest dry spell been since then, and how long would you say they are on average? I haven't mustered up the willpower to completely refrain from masturbation yet, but I definitely want to.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
I recently relapsed in the last days. Don't feel much of a difference. I still do it. My longest has been 50 days with some peeks at porn but no orgasms. Didn't feel a big difference after the initial 2 weeks.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
Just in case someone is interested in the background of these things a little more, it`s likely that the lowered fertility that comes off of increased estrogen/xeno-estrogen is by design.
Sh0cknAwe 8y ago
You're misrepresenting that particular screenshot. It's from a review of literature done by Planned Parenthood. They looked at all available literature regarding family planning, even the crazy ones. There's no evidence that this memo was ever used to create policy.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
It's not certain. It's very likely. Exactly as I said.
If we find a plan to build a pyramid in the meetings of the most powerful people in the world and wake up with pyramids having been built all over the world, there is not a certain link between the two, but it's likely.
You are free to find it unlikely. In that case I'm sure that just informing people about these things will rapidly change and remove all these xeno-estrogens from our systems. Let me know how that goes.
francisco_DANKonia 8y ago
Why the fuck would we want to lower our birth rate? Regardless, they accomplished it with no-fault divorce and child support.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
Just different ways of accomplishing the same thing.
If I had to guess, it would be valuable to foreign powers if you reduced your birth rate and it would be valuable to other ethnicities, politically in a democracy.
It would be increased division in society and that would mean less united resistance to encroachment on civil liberties and such.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
The powers that be don't want Test-fueled men with drive for achieving great things. They want obedience, I think.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
Of course. I am currently learning about the first mandatory school plans drafted by he rockefellers around 1903 and that was exactly the goal: not finding and developing talent, but teaching compliance.
It's easier to do these days with Ritalin (mild cocaine).
The attack on testerone is similar and is traceable to the family council in the 60s (formerly eugenicist society that funded nazi racial research, later rebranded as family council). I have not been able to establish connections between the plan to reduce fertility through tainting the water supply and the high rate of xenoestrogens in US water, but I think it's likely to exist, whether I find evidence or not.
dr_warlock 8y ago
No, you know
Maybe your plastic consumption is the cause of your lack of conviction?
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wanderer779 8y ago
On one hand it's easy to get mad at these people, sitting around thinking that if only it wasn't for them we'd all be like Thor. On the other hand they kind of had reasons for what they did, beyond making a race of slaves so they could sit in a room somewhere counting money and rubbing their hands together. I mean what is the alternative here - a growing population of high testosterone, aggressive dudes and limited resources? I think we know where that goes.
I believe they have technology now that allows them to alter genes in mosquitoes so that all of the altered mosquitoes' descendants are sterile. Introduce a small number of these into a mosquito population and pretty soon they are extinct. I don't know anything about this field but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a memo floating around somewhere about using this on humans and coupling it with some other sort of controlled artificial breeding method.
Another solution would be developing technology for traveling long distances through space and finding more inhabitable planets but it seems we're pretty far from accomplishing that.
destruct_zero 8y ago
Just from a logistical point of view, that thing about the mosquitoes doesn't make sense. If all the descendants of the mosquitoes that have altered genes are sterile, then that inherited sterility stops with their offspring because their offspring can't reproduce. The altered mosquitoes will be dead within a generation and all the other mosquitoes will carry on as normal.
wanderer779 8y ago
yeah sorry I was wrong, it takes large numbers of them. Google "sterile insect technique".
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xrorox_rp 7y ago
You may be interested by these guys : http://www.schillerinstitute.org/cgi-bin/taxon-9.pl?sw=1&taxon=gf&min_date=11/16/15&path=/green_fascism/main.html
There is some points I don't like (when it sounds too much complotist). But they have an interesting point of view about hown ecologism and eugenism are tied together.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
Thanks, that sounds worth getting into. Appreciated.
As for the discussion with adolf there, I don't pretend to know exactly what motivations of others are, but if I was planning to resculpt the world according to my designs, I would want to be able to target groups for fertility increase/decrease as it meshes with my other plans. So that's what I think is likely.
Considering it now seems to be a goal to replace people in the west with people from other countries (they openly call it replacement migration), that seems to be connected.
Anyways, I just wanted to give a quick aside to politics. It's better here to keep focus on how to protect yourself in regards to reliable water for yourself and those around you. It's something immediate you can do.
nazis_are_socialists 8y ago
It wasn't just about forced sterilization, it was also about forcing women to have abortions.
max_peenor 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2bSL5VQgM
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Obama's Science Czar John P. Holdren Confronted on Population Control - Youtube - 2:45
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 8y ago
download the book here: https://www.infowars.com/ecoscience-pdf-john-holdren-really-did-say-those-things/
adolfsbff 8y ago
The world is overpopulated with humans, forced sterilization is actually not a "proactive" enough approach tbh.
Edit: Are the mods in this sub really a bunch of jewish women or something?
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adolfsbff 8y ago
You idiot, globalists want as many humans on Earth as possible, more humans = cheaper labor and more consumers, dumb fuck.
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Globalists want to develop a small, docile monorace that they can easily control and exploit for profit. That's why you hear propaganda like "Diversity is our strength" and "Multiculturalism is good" all over the news and planted subliminally as ideas in almost all media we consume today. They want us all to fuck and kill each other resulting from that imposed clash of cultures and peoples to the point where true diversity is non-existent, therefore rendering their mantra a bit ironic.
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adolfsbff 8y ago
No they love planned parenthood, that's why there's one on every corner, in every 3rd world country and you can't throw a rock without hitting one.
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adolfsbff 8y ago
Good point, no wonder the human population is dropping rapidly. Oh wait.
xrorox_rp 7y ago
You should get a look at birth rates. Only ecologists do still believe in the overpopulation myth.
Even some muslims countries are doing far too few children to support their population.
Poor were useful. Now they just consume resources than the top want to get for himself. Robotics and robots will be the new slaves. Common people are becoming obsolete for the globalists.
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You overlook the fact that a massive majority of the global population growth is coming from third world, African/Muslim communities and not Western ones. Again, pretty much all by design. Globalists want white Europeans and Americans to either perish or breed (voluntary or not) with other races so that eventually everyone looks the same on Earth.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
No. Dumbass. Bringing in stupid conspiracy theories discredits anything else you say on the subject.
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Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
The idea that a mostly anonymous social medium would depend on credit in the first place is stupid. Since it mostly doesn't, discrediting as a concept itself would be meaningless.
I'm not asking you to take what I say at face value. I'm not even asking you for anything at all. You can take or leave the information as you please.
You would rather insult someone than either leave it, or try to figure out why someone believes a piece of information to be valuable. This proves you've got a giant chip on your shoulder about this. That should serve as a reminder of your own bias to yourself.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
Yeah cuz I was only taking about reddit...It couldn't possibly carry over into your a actual life. Not possible.
Misinformation is a thing. Fake news, outside of the dumb meme it's become, is a thing. These are both tools actively used by people to discredit opponents. It's also just a natural by-product of the collection of people online. If enough people repeat something, it just becomes something believed.
An example of this is MSG. That bad thing you heard about in Chinese food??? https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-msg-got-a-bad-rap-flawed-science-and-xenophobia/ Completely harmless. But the horse has already left the barn.
The truth matters.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
It's funny, because my brother used to cook with MSG, until we figured out that each time it would make our grandma sick with it and practically never without it. Since he cooked for her weekly we quickly found that out.
We also used to go to different chinese restaurants, as my grandma is from a partially chinese country and through whether she would get sick or not, we were able to figure out which restaurants used MSG or not, which later consumer reports confirmed, but we already knew.
So great example, it shows how you're not skeptical about some random food blog, but you are skeptical about a random reddit comment.
I understand though that this is no evidence for people who weren't my family and were able to witness themselves. For them I say: look at your source and how it does not support in any case with evidence that MSG is safe.
In any case, your radar for finding truth is flawed and your aggression towards someone that shares a piece of information is misplaced, futile and probably supporting the exact thing you're trying to fight.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
Lol 538 is not a food blog. It's a data driven journalism site. The article links like 10 studies that back me up. The article walks through the progression of how the rumor was started (all sourced).
But tell me again about your anecdote.
By your logic, if my anecdote was that I never got sick from it, our stories would be equally valid right? If only there was a way to systematically study lots of people and test the hypothesis...
The irony is so fucking thick here I could cut it with a knife. Your story about your grandmother is the exact thing that started the rumor and led to a false conclusion.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
Your personal investment in this is simultaneously funny and a little tiresome.
Some of the links don't even go anywhere. I doubt you read even one of the linked studies, so I don't expect you to read this one either, this is just for anyone that googles MSG and might accidentally try to figure out if some truth can be distilled from this discussion.
Because it seems to me you and they are focusing on supposed people making mistakes to derail from the simple question whether MSG is unhealthy or not.
Here's a study that found that the attacks on information that indicates MSG as potentially dangerous came from groups funded by big business and that there is far from consensus about whether MSG is safe or not.
For me it's easy to know, since I had the placebo-free effect with my grandmother, as she did not know when my brother did or didn't use MSG.
Finally one test that might blow your own cognitive dissonance, though, if you still have a mind worth saving: Which study did they cite that proves that MSG is fully safe?
logicalthinker1 8y ago
So? The truth matters. You're responding just the same. Sounds like you're invested as well.
The reason I cited this is because I love reading 538 and remembered first reading it.
Your study doesn't say that msg is bad. Its conclusions are weak: there's not consensus and we're not sure. So at best (and I mean best care scenario for you), is we don't know. That's not what you're arguing. So if it is indeed bad for people and makes them sick, it should be easy to find plenty of studies that support that. Just like there are plenty of studies that show people with celiac's disease do get sick from gluten. So go ahead. Find them.
Every study in this article https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-10-03/science-suggests-msg-really-isnt-bad-your-health-after-all And this shows me you don't understand the scientific method, the underlying logic, and what certain results say. You can't say something is definitely perfectly healthy. All you can say is that no ill-effects have been discovered or that it didn't bring about a specific symptom.
You're wrong. You've been proven wrong. It's OK to be wrong. It's not OK to ignore facts because they'll hurt your pride and prove you wrong.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
Lol, you couldn't even answer the question.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
You're literally too dumb to understand how dumb you are. And not worth my time anymore. Either you're a troll or you're actually lacking in the mental capacity to understand my argument. Either way, goodbye.
cazzah123 8y ago
Trt for life fuck it. Add tren your gold
Dat_Chad 8y ago
thank God I'm on Tren Replacement Therapy then
prodigy2throw 8y ago
Based on the research I've done on all this, all these external effects are trivial at best. The main thing is HIIT, eating well and often and keeping yourself busy/ motivated.
Aside from that there isn't much you can do about your TEST unless you decide to inject.
Chikinhok 8y ago
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dankvibez 8y ago
HEY BOYS! THIS IS THE REDPILL. REMEMBER, PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT IS LIBERAL, BETA, AND GAY AS FUCK. GET THIS SHILL OUT OF HERE!!! TRUMP SHOULD BE ABLE TO DEREGULATE INDUSTRIES AS MUCH AS HE WANTS!!!
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But seriously, there are some real merit to protecting the environment and monitoring chemicals being put into the water. Water quality shouldn't be left up to some hippies to take care of, EVERYONE should care. If you don't care about your water, you are a fucking faggot.
"Hey, I'm a low-t boy who likes to drink water with estrogen mimickers because it is important for my corporate overlords to be able to cheaply dispose waste and create shitty products at a low cost that poison me and my family slowly! After all, the sole purpose of my existence is to let men more powerful than me breed with as many women as possible! They need that money they save by dumping trash into the water to support their harem!"
spacexjunk 8y ago
There's so many underlying factors out there that can lower your testosterone. I believe that plastic may have an affect on t-levels, but in reality, how MUCH is that affect? Is plastics a HUGE contributing factor to lower t-levels, or is the affect.. minisucle? I want to see a study on those conditions. Your evidence was a study done on a few Chinese factory workers, wtf? There's no reason to spread fear into this community without having evidence that actually proves that plastics is a major contributor to lowering t levels. Honestly, your entire post made me cringe. All this male hamstering going on in the responses is honestly pretty fucking cringey too. Focus on being a better man, plastics ain't gonna stop you bud, lol.
walkingthelinux 8y ago
Truth becomes lies when it's sole use is to get more democrats elected.
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So what the fuck am I supposed to do dude just not buy shit in plastic? Lmao
dankvibez 8y ago
On a side note, is there any water purification that could remove these estrogen mimickers? (Vapor distillation, Reverse Osmosis, Etc).
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Hoops_Junkie2 8y ago
Jesus 212? Very close to a woman at that point.
Shaman6624 8y ago
And what about dental filling?
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WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Lower exposure to plastics, maximize exposure to good healthy food .
Short-changedChad 8y ago
I've been down this rabbit hole but not as far as you. Before I go and get my non reactive metal tin hat and autist helmet on- how much is holding plastic things like a phone case or steering wheel and heating them with your body heat releasing bad shit into your blood through your permeable skin membrane?
I've also noticed that the insides of microwaves are plastic. So even heating things up in glass is compromised.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Don't worry about it. Ingesting is the big one.
jayshea 8y ago
But how do you find a good source for water? I'm not a fan of straight out of the sink, but I'm not trying to rely on bottled water solely it's a lose-lose situation
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
You can set aside a little money per year for water filters. That way you can drink from the tap at home, fill glass bottles to take to the gym and possibly to work, that way you can improve 90% of the water you drink, vastly reducing low quality sources of water.
jayshea 8y ago
Do you have any good filters you know of that removes fluoride as well?
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Berkey. About $300 for a 3-gallon tank that filters in an hour. Fill it every couple of nights and you should always have enough water for drinking, cooking, and cleaning.
They also sell a shower head, but I don't know about it's quality. The filter tanks are pretty well-regarded though.
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MarcoCorona 8y ago
I'd like to point out that many shower gels and shampoos these days have a slew of additives that fuck with the body's chemistry. Many contain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylparaben that has an estrogenic effect.
"Old school" lye soap is made from animal or vegetable fat, cleans better, leaves no residue or film and can be used for the whole body and hair.
If you want to cut exposure to these additives, go for unscented superfattened (7% to 10%) olive oil soap made from human consumption grade quality.
Why unscented? Because most essential oils are mutagenic in nature and scented soaps thus are a no-no; no matter how little scent was added.
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MarcoCorona 8y ago
All high quality essential oils that have gone through my hands were marked as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutagen
Essential oils are basically concentrates of the scents a given plant provides. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_oil#Dangers for reference.
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The_Gentleman_Thief 8y ago
On the other side of the fence:
Do you think all these xenoestrogens are affecting women adversely as well? I don't know of any study but would this cause girls to develop earlier and thus maybe overdevelop (not seeing the problem with this)? However women have 10% testosterone they produce naturally. I wonder with their own elimination of testosterone their fight or flight has become non-existent and thus become less confident and less aggressive and more emotional and as we see now, more difficult.
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Also iodine... they took it out. Start supplementing with it
turkeybaconman9669 8y ago
I work in a plastic factory touching plastic caps all day? Do you think touching so much plastic so often will have effects.
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depends on what type of plastic the caps are. PP or PE caps are inherently safe and non-toxic
turkeybaconman9669 8y ago
Thanks. I don't know what kind they are but I'll be sure to find out.
futmut 8y ago
Im pretty sure that the time you spent writing this is more dangerous then the water you drink from a plastic bottle...
Also being extremely paranoid over crap like this is not healthy either...
motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
OMG something I can contribute to!
I actually took part in world leading research to see if people can reduce their exposure to BPA. This involved a week long diet in which we reduced our exposure to plastics containing BPA as much as possible.
The study concluded that people could not reduce their exposure to BPA by altering their diet. Thus, it is up to the government to put in place regulations to reduce the use of BPA in our daily lives.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
BTW do you have a link to the study you took part in?
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motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
Yeah. That was the conclusion of our study.
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motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
The study didnt look into that but I would assume to atleast some extent.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Do you think a reason is that BPA stays in the body for a longer time than a week?
motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
No. In an smaller controlled group, participants were able to reduce BPA by 60% in just 3 days. This included a prescribed diet.
However, our study was designed to see if it is realistic for normal people to effectively reduce their BPA levels. We were simply given some guidelines thus it was a "real world" diet. When you consider the ubiquitous presence of BPA in our food chain and the poor labelling of foods, its not surprising we werent able to reduce our BPA levels.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
gotcha, thanks. Could you explain to me how the special diet differed?
motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
For the smaller control group? It was a prescribed diet. Meaning they knew for certain it did not contain BPA.
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So the conclusion was that people with limited will-power and/or knowledge about BPA sources aren't likely to reduce their exposure to BPA sources?
Isn't that kind of a pointless study? Obviously you need to become slightly abnormal and put effort into diet control if you want to protect your health.
motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
This isnt about lack of will power/knowledge.
I was one of the people who took part in the diet. I avoided all visible plastics. No food with plastic packaging. No plastic bottles. Checking all labels. No fast foods. Eating organic. Etc.
Yet it was all in vain.
You are severely underestimating how abundant BPA is.
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Then what was in the diet of the small group of people who reduced their BPA levels by 60% in 3 days? You made it sound like the larger study followed a "realistic" diet which I assumed would include shitty SAD foods.
motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
They were in a lab environment and they knew exactly what they were consuming. Its just not economically viable to replicate that in the real world. Gonna go hire your own personal lab and scientist to watch your diet? Lmao
Sorry for being unclear.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
What sources of BPA were unavoidable?
motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
The participants, including me, avoided as many sources of BPA as we could identify but it still wasnt enough. It is unclear why this is the case. Maybe lack of labelling due to lack of regulation? Use of BPA contaminated equipment during the manufacturing process?
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
It's very interesting.
What country was this in?
How would you describe your sources of water?
motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
Yh I was very lucky to take part.
It was in the UK. The University of Cambridge is getting in on it too. So expect some government action in the future. I dont know why OP went full conspiracy mode at the end haha.
Just tap water. Kept in non plastic containers.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
What was full conspiracy mode in your head?
motherf__kinSTARBOY 8y ago
"Why isnt any government fighting this? Why would they?"
what OP said near the end of his post
therighttobecool 8y ago
Here's another tip. Don't interact with women. If you have business with them, talk business but don't try to get friendly with them or even argue with them. Get what you want and get out of there. Women have this tendency to take things way too far where it doesn't need to go.
JFMX1996 8y ago
Great stuff.
There's so many things influencing our testosterone levels, it's crazy.
I was 17, and first got this weird purple bump right next to my nipple. Asked a doctor, maybe a sign of gynecomastia. Looked up the symptoms, and then looked at ways to lower estrogen levels and boost testosterone through diet.
Cut out a lot of sugars, BPAs, and dairy milk and man I saw some huge differences. No more energy drinks or soft drinks or any of that shit. Started leaning out like crazy, building muscle, and getting a deeper voice. Saw my jawline sharpening, and I got checked by a doctor again and he said those are all signs of your hormone levels getting back to where they're supposed to be.
I only got checked twice by the doctor, most the stuff is on the internet for you guys to check out.
Once you start paying attention to this shit, you see how fucked everything is. It really opens your eyes as to why so many guys are effeminate, so weak, and so emotional these days. Also no wonder girls are hitting puberty at younger and younger years.
I'd been planning on making a post on this subject for a while, but have been kind of busy. I first wanted to do one on the topic of gait, after I got a really good reception with my past one on posture.
These are really important things to catch on, especially for these young guys we have on here who are in their teens. The earlier you become aware of all these things, the more shit you can be spared later down the road.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Thank you, great post, too! Testosterone is what makes us assertive and male, and we should absolutely strive to naturally have lots of it.
Can you go into more detail about what exactly you did? You cut out all plastics? All milk? All added sugar?
Thanks
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parkthebus11 8y ago
People's bodies are soft and chubby because they don't excersize and eat too much.
AEGONS_ASS 8y ago
actually back in ancient times the average body was short and skinny.
Do you kids have any fucking idea what you're talking about?
welshmin 8y ago
Yeah definitely wasn't muscular, but maybe "taut" is a word for it? Hard work and low quantity, low protein diets.
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AEGONS_ASS 8y ago
Humans historically, have been great at running. Long distance running. We can outrun any animal, even horses. Even today, that's how african hunters get their kills. They chase down animals for hours - even days - until the animals can't run anymore. But humans are built for running, because we are upright, have big asses to help propel ourselves, have no hair so we sweat and cool down, and we can carry water.
But that's totally different to being strong and muscly. Don't get me wrong, my life is about lifting and getting swole, but we are fighting against our evolution by doing that.
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WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
I don't agree with the food part. If you buy whole foods - don't use plastic containers, don't buy fast food, don't drink too much alcohol, and get all your vitamins and minerals in while exercising plenty, you can be really healthy.
Batmansiphone 8y ago
The average person definitly doesnt do that though
ShamwowTseDung 8y ago
That's why they're average.
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We're way more sedentary than we were back then.
Back in the day we worked in fields doing agriculture, hunting, or gathering
therighttobecool 8y ago
Doesn't physical activities just increase your cortisol and adrenaline levels?
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Dude. Do you have any idea how cortisol and adrenal hormone systems work? It doesn't seem like it.
Why are you asking here, when you have access to google? You need some foundational knowledge dude.
Go do some research and report back.
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arthurabyssal 8y ago
Actually I think I remember a study finding that the more cortisol released during exercise, the larger the testosterone or muscle growth afterwards.
therighttobecool 8y ago
Then why is cortisol demonized so much
arthurabyssal 8y ago
Chronic high levels of cortisol throughout the day affect you. Short burts during intense activities are fine.
CQC3 8y ago
Not exactly. You can't compare the burst of exercise combo'd with relative sedentary activity that many people call being in shape.
The truth is that low impact activity throughout the day makes a huge difference to your health. What is better, to be active and walk/run throughout the day, or to cram it all into an hour?
Exercise is good, but it does not and cannot replace living an active and mobile life. That is the unfortunate part, we can all make changes but the modern world is not so compatible with being active for many people.
therighttobecool 8y ago
Can you explain to me how an active lifestyle boosts testosterone?
CQC3 8y ago
It's not about boosting testosterone, it's about being mobile and active as you're intended to be.
Think about what sitting in a chair all day does to you. You waste away, your blood flows slower, your posture degenerates, your muscles atrophy since they are not lightly active and your bones grow weaker because you are not putting that minimal stress on them. I hate to go all woo woo on you too, but there is definitely a mind body connection in the simplest terms in which if you are sitting all day every day for most of it, your mind starts to stagnate and grow restless too. It's not groundbreaking to suggest that physical exercise is one of the best things to fight off anxiety and depression.
The body accommodates to whatever stress is placed on it, if your burden of living is literally just sitting in a chair all day then that is what your body will adjust to.
The muscle and bone part of the equation is helped tremendously by exercising and lifting weights, but the rest of the time sitting around is awful. Many lifters seem to also be allergic to cardio which is the dumbest fucking thing ever.
Strength is only 1 of 11 components of fitness, cardiovascular health is one of those. Many of these jacked lifters are sad as fuck, they can push great weight but get winded climbing a fucking staircase. You have to ask yourself, just how much strength do you need? At what point is benching more than 225 going to help? Now I'm not saying don't go for the gold here, but I think if you can bench 225, squat 315 and DL 405 but get winded easily, it's very clear that cardio is going to improve your life way more than getting higher lift numbers is.
My point is that peoples idea of health and fitness are skewed towards one thing or another instead of the whole picture. I'd say cardiovascular health is probably the most important thing, followed by resistance training (strength/endurance) followed by flexibility. Lifting for obvious reasons, but cardio and comprehensive stretching has helped stress control tremendously for me which in turn keeps my test higher since I sleep better and my body is not tense and restricted.
What do you suppose being inactive for the majority of the day does for all of this hard work? It acts against it. Rest is fine, sitting is fine, but for 6-8 hours a day?
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CQC3 8y ago
No, continue to workout but consider that working out for an hour a day a few times a week is not going to undo the extreme sedentary lifestyle most people have nowadays. It's so normalized but it's not natural, it is an extreme lifestyle compared to what our bodies are meant to do in terms of movement and activity.
See my reply to the other guy under this same thread.
Marsupian 8y ago
That is more due to sedentary behavior and easier access to food.
I do agree that a lot of manufactured food is pure shit.
niczar 8y ago
Actually sedentary behavior is most likely a consequence of diet (which is itself the main cause) rather than a proximate cause.
Sugar is the source of the problem. IMO its impact on men's health is much more severe than plastics'. It's everywhere. Look at any manufactured food, there's sugar in it (and not even necessarily labelled as such, the food industry has dozens of names for fructose/sucrose, for some reason).
Marsupian 8y ago
Diet can influence behavior but the main causes for sedentary behavior are cars, jobs you can do sitting and media.
niczar 8y ago
When I switched to a low carb diet, not only did I lose a lot of weight quickly, but I also found myself much more able to exercise. Indeed, I now exercise all the time not because I have to but because I want to, as I have a lot of energy to spare.
Marsupian 8y ago
Exercise isn't that significant compared to the hours and hours people spend behind screens and inside cars.
People think a couple of hours of exercise a week is good but when you put it in the historical perspective of Move. Eat. Sleep. you realise the human race is fucked.
CQC3 8y ago
"Anhydrous dextrose, brown sugar, cane crystals, cane sugar, corn sweetener, corn syrup, corn syrup solids, crystal dextrose, evaporated cane juice, fructose sweetener, fruit juice concentrates, high-fructose corn syrup, honey, liquid fructose, malt syrup, maple syrup, molasses, pancake syrup, raw sugar, sugar, syrup and white sugar"
AKA sugar.
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Or you can actually put in the hard work to increase your SMV and live a healthier life.
Just because your smv is naturally low doesn't mean you need to hamster your way as if it's superior when it's proven that lifting and eating right is all that's required to regulate hormone production.
Quit fishing for validation for your shitty lifestyle.
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lopsidedlucky 8y ago
It's not that simple. The body can adjust to external test and the stop producing it's own effectively leaving your body needing external test for life. Not that simple.
VoiceActorForHire 8y ago
I can't understand we're debating with him the fact that it's healthier to have naturally high Test than fucking injections.
TrenGod37 8y ago
Nope. You may become sterile even though it's highly unlikely from long term testosterone use without adding proper drugs like HCG but your body will never stop producing its own test indefinitely, only temporary.
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Please be quiet now, its enough now, time for bed.
TrenGod37 8y ago
28 a bottle? Shit is trash.
VoiceActorForHire 8y ago
You do that. I'll let my body's natural processes do the work. So far it's going great.
Great post, OP.
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VoiceActorForHire 8y ago
I do, actually. In 1 year I raised my Testosterone by far above the average by simply adjusting my lifestyle.
Why are you so angry?
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VoiceActorForHire 8y ago
I have the numbers in my notepad here, I'll edit the comment when I find them
EDIT: was 318 became 701
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TrenGod37 8y ago
I upped mine from 350 to >1500 in just one cycle!
VoiceActorForHire 8y ago
I measured in March 2016 and March 2017. I'm 22.
WhorehouseVet 8y ago
Perhaps you need to post on TRP outlining your method, as well as your blood work pre and post just to proof your point.
I'm serious.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
Am I crying, or am I pointing out a systemic lowering of baseline Testosterone by including plastic in many foods / drinks?
Stop acting tough. Maybe you're shooting too many needles into your butt.
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WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
I gave the truth. People may do with it what they want.
What you can do:
Kinbaku_enthusiast 8y ago
This is exactly how I changed my water drinking habits. I bought a couple of useful glass bottles for sport hydration. I ditched all plastic from my kitchen and fridge and got glass bowls for refrigerator storage with pba free plastic covers.
Also when purchasing vegetables and such, I either use paper bags or otherwise, not plastic, most of the time.
I researched the local water and it's relatively clean. If I lived in the US, I'd probably purchase a water filter.
I'm surprised I prefer the glass bottles, though. I thought it would be a hassle, but they`re pretty useful and are tastier to drink out off than plastic.
WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
I also find glass way easier to clean!
Best of luck
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WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
I train - it's realistic. Eating whole foods is healthier, has less crap in it that lowers your test and just makes you feel way better. Also makes you live longer, if you care about that type of thing. My protein shaker is from glass and I'm fit and healthy.
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WolfofAnarchy 8y ago
No - they actually float above my fucking head.
This is what I use.
How in the actual fuck can you not understand this? Do you think a glass container weighs a thousand pounds?
digitaler_demenz 8y ago
My grandfather got these stainless steel food containers back in the 40s, I think they were government issued. Works great to heat on the stove or in a regular oven, if you can't stomach eating your liver and onions ice cold
https://blogg.loppi.se/mammaochson/files/2013/10/IMG_5925.jpg
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Let the man do what he wants, what the fuck do you care if he carries a whole backpack full of glass bottles?
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Let me quote it so you can reread it. You listed all these sources no one asked for to try and tell someone something he doesn't care to know.
Anyone can find confirmation bias to support their strawman arguments.
This whole subreddit is predicated in finding the truth of things through real world trial and error scenarios, not being spoon fed the blue pill "everything is fine" brainwashing bullshit you're so desperately clinging to.
You're simply listing a bunch of garbage nobody but you cares about. Go hit the gym for a change rather than trolling the sub for validation.
Continue listing all the sources you want that nobody gives a fuck about while real men investigate, through their own anecdotal evidence, whether this topic's claim has any merit.
Cuck.