Yeah, being an alpha isn't about nobility, if by nobility you mean polite, chivalrous and honest; being an alpha is about being a ruthless jerk who will stop at nothing nor no one until he gets what he wants; this is the goal because nobility doesn't bring the results men desire.

Take Rorschach and Ozymandias from Watchmen, both men were on opposite extremes of the spectrum.

Rorschach was the truth seeker, or the pure finder, rooting through the shit of life incessantly for any morsel he could find, down trodden by the futility of his searching, but determined that he was doing the right thing.

Ozymandias was the god, he'd made his way to the top without effort, and knew every move which one should use to get there.

You know the difference between Rorschach and Ozymandias? One believed that the truth must be told always; the other knew that sometimes a lie is more effective.

Honest people don't get anywhere because we live in a dishonest world; open books give away too much to too many; those who don't play the game get played.

MBA is paid for through work. Taking it to better understand how to manage wealth. Not sure where your vitriol is coming from but it is misplaced. I am able to do it for a couple of reasons. One, I have tenure which means I can pretty much do things my way. Two, I craft my own schedule, which gives me three day weekends every week in terms of lecturing. Three, I've been doing this a long time so prep time for a good bit of my work is next to nothing compared to when I first teach a course. The only problem comes when I am writing grants or papers, collaborating on research. Then lots of coffee is needed. I've downsized the research a bit while doing the MBA in finance.

There used to be a clique of huge juiced up bouncer types at a gym I sometimes go to, but the owner banned them. Bad for business with people who are grunting loudly, discussing doping, fights and also intimidating other customers.

This was just one gym, and I've never experienced anything like that in other gyms. Usually there's cameraderie and politeness.

You're overthinking some of this. If you want to use a machine or bench or weights that someone is on, just ask how many more sets they have or if you can work in with them. It's not that hard. 99% of them won't give you any shit for it.

It's funny how in depth this shit goes haha

"That guy is walking like this he's so insecure"

Mind your own fucking shit. Who the fuck cares how another man walks lmao, complete bitch boy behavior

seems to me that OP spent heck of alot of time dissecting and complaining about someone whining, thats said I like his writing style I would say it would be better invested if you go write a book dude.

to reply to the post though. I have been going to the same gym for over a year now. had no major confrontations what so ever, I mean there are the usual "can you please move a side since I want to train on this machine" where they always move afterwards even though in some incidents the expression on the face says they don't really like it but it's my right so screw dim!.

other than that I really don't know where the original poster came with all this bullshit I mean I'm also a MGTOW but non of all that happens. heck the gym I go to is very popular in one of the major cities in the world, so you see plenty of big guys and extremely ripped dudes around but I never have an incident.

I'm your typical headphones "I'm here to train not to talk" kinda guy. I just show up and let my G-shock timer go off 90min and leave when it beebs, I rarely talk to anyone unless I want to use the machine they are in or want their weights. otherwise I just keep to myself, train and enjoy my time.

the post makes me feel that they guy who posted it goes to a freaking prison gym. what staring, everyone in the gym is there to train, yeah they talk sometimes but no one stairs or size one another at least it never happened to me, I mean there was only this one time a fat guy was staring at me while lifting but I think it was cuz he was fat and wished one day he would have a body like mine, in which I truly sympathized with since I was a fat ass myself in one point in my life. in all the years I have been going to gyms.

I would also would like add being alpha in my experience is being respectful of people and generally charismatic toward them. this is how u lead not through aggression. it works every single time in almost all situations just be nice, genuine and appreciative of them, wither small, big, rich, or any guy you meet and he'll do whatever in his power to help you or connect to you. just don't be an idiot so people don't use u, u have to know how to read people, be nice and caring but with boundaries and guards up. this is what works for me.

in fact it's always in your power to prevent a situation from turning ugly. just being charming, smiling and being funny makes you own the situation and take charge. even if the other party is extremely mad he'll just walk away from you instead of provoking you.( since he knows if he lays the 1st punch on you he'll lose his frame socially and u come on top. it takes alot of confident to that but it works in most civilized social situations. "emphasis on civilized"

I took many courses on conflict resolution and one of the most successful strategies is to not let the conflict happen in the 1st place. take tons of confident but thats how most people handle tense situations.

now I don't even know how I ended up in this thread cuz I was reading about "fitness industry" and this was at the read next or something. I rarely participate on threads since I would rather spend my time either advancing my self or in my free time spend it on quality entertainment to enjoy my leisure, I know I need to start a thread about this or something but I find replying and spending time on thread useless. I sure as hell can't put it on my resume, I believe that once one get the redpill fully he should go on applying the knowledge and delivering it to other guys in his sphere personally when a chance arises, this way you gain social influence but on the internet not much is gained, this doesn't mean I don't appreciate the knowledge I gained from participant here quite the opposite but at some point you have to leave your print and leave to become the best person possible. it sorta saddens me that the guy who posted the original complaining claims to be MGTOW. since as a MGHOW I can assure u that I am going my own way and don't give a fuck about all that, and never experienced what he mentioned. it's all imaginary. anyway back to becoming the best man I am. peace guys wish you the best, go out there chase what you want, appreciate people, chase your dreams become better and pussy will sure follows if thats what you want but don't make it a goal. ha now thats a rant I didn't expect to write today.

Oh yeah. Fuck gyms. Get a pull-up bar, some rings, and a jump rope. Save the cash and drive time. If you're driving to a gym to run on a treadmill lol. If you're that dedicated to lifting for life getting your own shit is cheaper.

Most of the dudes on here are pure bullshit artists. So many dudes say that anything other than their bullshit is bullshit. As someone who has worked in sales I know bullshit. I'm broke as fuck and probably get more pussy than these LARPers. Women will fuck whoever is fun and has good vibes. They don't check a bank statement just like how we don't check ID. And almost no one on here is here for advice on picking out a wife.

You guys break this shit down into an overthought cat-mouse game. I get laid often just being my normal self. The complete opposite of what I always see on here. Maybe if you already suck and need a forum to tell you how to improve, that won't work, but then again neither will following shit on the internet, because it's not yours.

Having good hygiene, plain clothes in good condition that fit well, and a natural sense of humor with some wit gets you farther than being an ASPD sperg with money and muscle, peacocking HAM and being a douche. I have long hair, a beard, wear jeans and tshirts, drive a Ford, am currently unemployed, don't even have a 4 year degree, and had an MD into me. Suck it!

Not that some of you guys don't get yours in real life (and embellish the fuck out of it), but this place has become like the Democratic Party. You want to hit the middle for the greatest spread. Money is more for holding a woman down. Not getting in her pants. Some of you guys can't even bring the bantz online but supposedly are Pussy gurus in the wild. Lol. Definitely be in good shape and groomed, but everything else on here is a crock. If you needed the internet to tell you to not look like shit, then you're too dumb to procreate.

I don't think about where she is on her cycle and whether my attitude matches it. I don't strategize my convo like a business meeting. I just go. Thanks for the post OP. I hardly come here anymore bc of all the BS. Half the shit on here would my game up. I get laid BY BEING MYSELF because I don't need a formula off the internet. Go for a walk, get some sun, talk to people, get funny. Stop projecting on the internet like a fucking loser guys. Pizza delivery drivers get more Pussy than half the dudes on here.

I find it doubtful TRP has made any quantifiable impact to gym culture. What has been described I have seen in gyms forever(I'm over 40 for ref). TRP has been getting larger fresh waves of visitors because of various publicity and the growing backlash against things that program BP men whom are starting to get tired of it. It's expected there will be crap posts and comments from new people with these waves. The mods work hard to keep the worst stuff cleared but sometimes those posts can offer a teaching opportunity.

 

I dislike the alpha/beta thing some but understand it is merely a tool of relativity that is easier for a wider audience to understand. Some people do indeed get overly invested emotionally in these labels. This is an easy trap for people to get caught up in who are conditioned to subscribe to identity politics or thirsty for validation. A fully whole and self actualized person will have both and know when to apply them and care little about labels IMHO. Some have called me a lone wolf but I have a very busy life and little time or patience for distractions and people who have nothing of value to offer.

 

There is always debate on this but I do not lift for pussy and neither should you IMHO. Yes it helps pull the eyes of navel gazers but if you have no game that's all you'll get is a passing glance. I know a former Olympian with medals who's rich and jacked 6" 4". He gets dominated by women if he can even get them because he has no game and frame with them but is a great trainer. They come over and feel up his muscles then he talks and they have to be someplace else suddenly and skitter off unless they realize he's loaded then some try to suck him dry or they can't stand him anymore before bailing. He is at least smart enough to not get married and make babies for now. When I tell people to lift it is to not only build a strong healthy body for the girls to drool over, it is training self discipline and confidence. Men who come here are not in great shape always and have no self confidence because they have not done anything meaningful for themselves and/or have poor self esteem. When you lift it requires you to cultivate willpower that pits muscle against the iron and the doubts that haunt your mind which limits potential. You are responsible for your progress and get to see the product of your efforts and you can blame no one but yourself if you fail. When you start to make progress it gives motivation and that addictive feeling of accomplishment. Working through it all is a part of building genuine confidence and character. The muscles help attract prospects, confidence and character seals the deal more often than not in my experience.

 

Try not to let the lamentations of others distract you from your own path and understand this is the nature of humans. As always best of luck brothers.

Initially skeptical, but all valid points. I'm not a manlet but not tall either so not necessarily intimidating at the gym. Can personally say that asking "how high are you guys going?" or "how many sets?" is the perfect set-up into getting a workout if the station is taken (Especially squat racks). Reading that part brought back memories in my college gym of surprising everyone with how much I can lift

Didn't read the whole thing but who was the idiot thinking the gym is more crowded because of TRP? Lmao talk about vastly overestimating the influence of this sub

Great fuckin' post. This doesn't apply only to gym posts, but 99% of the drivel that's posted here.

I rather grab a beer with a gym bro than almost anyone here. They would help me along in my journey to the golden snatch more than the idiot posting about them.

Take action and shut the fuck up. It's been my motto the past month. It's wonderful.

This post is sidebar material. Says a lot that needs to be said.

Reddit for the most part is a site filled with beta hipster numales. Some of them find their way to TRP. And some of them are turned off by TRP, but some stick around. They see the material here and think there is merit to some of it. There in lies the issue. A lot of these beta hipster numale types come here thinking they can apply some of the TRP ideologies, while at the same time desperately clinging to their fantasy that they can score with women while still being a nerdy hipster, anime loving, Bernie Sanders supporting, pasty scrawny weaboo dweeb who doesn't lift. Because they still cling to the fantasy of women finally coming to their senses, rejecting Chad, and then running into their outstretched arms feeling a wave of euphoric validation as the woman rejected the roided out gym bro in favor for a non lifter who spends his days with nerdy hobbies and past times like anime and video games.

TRP these days has that subset of men who think they can apply some of TRP while still clinging to their beta hobbies, mindsets, and ideologies. And that subset from what I have gathered is growing, not shrinking. Just look at the angry, violent reactions you get when you tell users to lift or stop playing video games. You think women have mach speed hamsters? Telling some men here to lift or give up their video game addictions brings out the light speed hamsters.

One piece of advice I have always given to younger TRPers still in grade school is to play a sport if they are not already. There is no better way to gain male friendship, status, masculinity, and gain FREE access to self improvement programs like weight lifting and conditioning than to be playing a sport in high school. Yet its like this advice when I give it is usually met with hostility. "I don't have time for sports" or "I don't want to be a jock" or "I would rather skateboard". Basically whiny bullcrap you hear from jealous beta men who always whined about the "jocks" at school.

I blame the media. Too many movies and TV shows out there where the hot woman rejects the Chad in the movie and goes for the nerdy guy instead. They think that women are just blind and will eventually see the light that the nerdy guys are way more cool and fun than the Chads. Too many guys still think this is reality. They think they can apply some TRP principles, picking and choosing here and there, that will help them sexually while still remaining the nerdy beta loser they are.

What the fuck are you even saying

Couple of points and anecdotes to add:

• Muscle mass doesn't make you alpha
• Wearing hoodies which have no sleeves is sort of ridiculous.
• Overly done big guy swag is ridiculous. Actually I try to down play my "big guys swag" because imo it makes you look slow and dumb. And yeah, I'm not like body builder big but the big guy swag comes even before you reach 120kg of lean muscle mass.
• I look myself from the mirror but fuck progress. Tbh 90% of the time I do it because I like how I have built my body and want to check it out.
• When shaking hands, the guys that are bigger than me, never squeeze my hand as hard as the small guys or guys who are a bit smaller than me do. It's funny how the hard squeeze coming from a smaller guy tells me that he acknowledges that I'm bigger and tries to challenge me like beta males usually do. Personally I never squeeze hard and certainly never respond to hard squeeze by squeezing harder.
• This "outsider" and "joining" thing is hard to understand to me. I'm not in the gym to bond with guys and if the gym is crowded I go and just ask can I do some sets between and it is always ok.
• I've gotten disrespectful attitude only 2 times in the last 10 years I've hit the gym. And of these 2 occasions other one was partly my own fault. I've never seen anyone else treated badly so I'm not sure how common the situation is. Although I'm not lifting in the "hardcore gyms" so there isn't many roid-monsters around

Maybe one additional note for guys starting to lift: When you get results and obvious muscle mass - don't expect compliments from the women. 90% of the time compliments will come from other men :D

I'm thinking the problem isn't as much as "ree i'm the victim" as much as it its "what the fuck am i supposed to do now" that transforms into the first

In short, being raised wrong

I don't agree with almost everything.

Hyper-competitiveness could be framed as insecurity. In case the purpose is the validation of someone. That's almost always some hidden validation-seeking at play. Also there are a lot of pathology involved here like it is easy to drag someone hyper-competitive into meaningless contest. A little bit of competitiveness is ok.

The whole MGTOW philosophy in some kind of schizoid in its nature e.g. 'I am cool and strong since I don't need anyone' where TRP philosophy 'I am cool because I got everyone's approval'.

I like this 'You feel like an outsider to most people because you are.' There are many ways to compete and everybody think their way is the best. And that they get it! Pathetic mangina high intelligent would probably feel the same contempt for typical TRP-fantasy guy and vice versa.

But the mirror and a progress? That's mere hamstering. Mirror looking is narcissistic jerking. Though I don't know why this behaviour should be judged. But common.

'a dominance hierarchy is formed (i.e. cheifs, warriors, and hereditary leadership). It is natural.' - yeah, but guess what in our current world there are no place for chiefs, warriors and hereditary leaders. The residues are tyrannts and better be dead then alive, and warriors don't fight in a war anymore, they are involved in local conflicts where they are mostly killing innocent people, then they of course have PTSD and go nuts.

48 Laws of Power is a book where main theme is doing courtship e.g. being beta and repress the anger. The typical machiavellian type is probably Zuckerberg not a gym bro.

If you not a caring leader and moralistic leader - you strength wouldn't help. You can take a look at chimpanzee - if you are an asshole leader you'd be torn apart by a crowd.

Your agression which you want so much to manifest probably would be used against you in modern world.

And if you want to actually become a Top Guy - I have bad news for you. You probably need to have really high IQ and relatively good health (and not be born in Africa of course). Both traits are mostly heritable.

Yeah, no. This is utter bullshit, misinterpreted by someone that just has to take every Form of criticism against himself personally, which is more of a testimony of being a whiny pussy than an alpha.

This is the most girly post I've read on trp on a while. Sorry, but I your just a skinny ass bitch, maybe you shouldn't be wearing tank tops and stare in the mirror for half an hour while blocking the equipment.

There is a clear difference between alphas and pretentious little bitches... And if you can't tell the difference, then I've got bad news for you son. You're one of the latter.

Being a douchebag or bully is not alpha- seems like some guys can't make the distinction. Double parking in the handicap spots, and trying to start shit with everybody is nothing to idolize.

Good post. It's a hard truth to swallow, but guys need to realize there are NO fucking excuses in life, or in nature. It doesn't matter how the next guy acts, or how he got there. It doesn't matter if he got there by putting you down every day of your life. The bottom line is, he is BETTER than you, and that's all that matters.

The strong prey on the weak. It doesn't matter how the strong got strong, or how the weak became weak. All that matters, is in that moment, the stronger one devoured the weaker one. That's all anyone will ever remember.

Most men have a significant disadvantage because they are not super big/ tall, nor super short.

They do not see the interactions for what they are.

The reason the big guys in my gym leave plates on for me, take "extra" off for me, is because I have shown them that I can hang, will hang, and can add value because I have NO problem telling dude fucking around to get off my bench.

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This used to be a huge problem for me.

I agree with your overall point besides the hypercompetitive shoulder checking intimidating on purpose part. I'd say indifference to others and not giving a fuck what they do or think as soon as you realise they aren't even a remote threat to you would be alpha. Where as trying to prove that you are stronger and better than them is actually below you.

No one owes you to be part of a group or cliche. No one just owes you anything, I don't understand where and why people get the "I deserve x" x being anything from respect, opinion, loyalty, inclusion, attention, participation awards, just anything. You earn that.

"Yo bud, i need to use the machine."

Would rather mentally torment themselves, bitch, and complain, rather than handle business.

But i guess its hard to be assertive when they break their own frame because they're such huge pussies.

"Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. "

From a Freudian point of view, we can branch off into all aspects of life just from that. The red pill motto is very good in that it focuses on the identity of those involved. We are men aren't we? We are men before anything else, hence the focus on sex.

insecure, hyper-competitive fucks

It's definitely out there. Don't get so triggered by the accusation. Plus where is this actually happening? Don't tell me you pathetic fucks actually pick on wimpy kids at the gym - hilarious - this is solidly middle tier behavior. If you want to move up, have some respect for yourself, because you are a tool, and your girlfriend wants my dick, just sayin.

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I really blame TRP for making gyms a miserable experience for those who lift for themselves

Da Fuq? Where are these autistic homosexuals lifting weights?

1.) The vast majority of people I encounter in public are kind and courteous, yes even straight jacked steroided dudes in the gym. In fact the guys who lift in the gym understand what it's like needing to get a set in and if you ask "hey can I jump in" they'll let you most of the time.

you never see them talk to a guy just starting out or trying to help or seeming receptive.

2.) What the fuck is this shit about the jacked dudes not helping the guy. This guy is a little bitch who needs to take ownership of his life. Welcome to reality autistic homosexual, NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOU.

• Hire a trainer,
• shoot videos of your form and upload to a subreddit or the net for verification that form is good
• join a crossfit gym
• do stronglifts 5x5
• read books
• go to a strongman gym
• go to classes at your gym
• Actually ASK one of those steroided jacked dudes for advice on your form or exercise
• etc etc etc

Nobody has an OBLIGATION to help anyone. People will leave you the fuck alone, especially because people tend not to receive that shit well even when they're wrong.

All in all this is bullshit from a guy who has read red pill but hasn't internalized that HE NEEDS TO FUCKING TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR HIS LIFE and STOP COMPLAINING.

This is basically "Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, don't nobody wanna lift to heavy ass weights."

Everyone wants to be machiavellian and Chaddish. Do you actually want to put yourself into situations that will force you to build cold logic and an ability to manipulate people? Do you want to actually go through the mental work of stomping out useless relationships and friendships in your life, and force yourself to network and cultivate relationships with people who can offer you something? Do you actually want to emotionally blunt yourself by exposing yourself to all kinds of emotional stimuli, so you can genuinely keep a cool? Deaden yourself to rejection by doing balls to the wall, closer cold approach game on super hot girls?

Are you willing to get LASIK? Get a nose job? Diet down to 10% bodyfat? Burn your wardrobe and buy some shit that telegraphs status?

What are you really willing to do?

All these guys on here cry about incel this, and unfair that. It's all excuses but it's so real to them - aka "women in my town are all crap. My town is so small and there's more men, so the women guard their n-count very closely. Blah blah blah."

Okay, move. Get a new job. You can't do it? Well, then you're beta, you're a slave, you have no freedom to choose shit. You can't fuck, you can't choose where you work, you can't go where you want to go? With that attitude, just fucking kill yourself. Alphas make it happen and sacrifice whatever needs to be sacrificed.

See everyone here talks all this mad shit about WANTING to be a Chad or wanting to be dark triad or wanting to be an alpha. Some guys talk shit about wanting to be a natural or just have a hot GF (like that would solve anything in the abortion that is their lives).

OK, well you certainly don't wanna lift the weights. Want to learn how to build rapid rapport and simultaneously have a mildly psychopathic detachment from people, and not really give a shit or feel bad about manipulating them? Does that seem cool to you? Get into sales and push it hard, you will learn a fuckton. Your cold approach game will be 10x better.

But you don't want to do that because it's hard. Because it's beta to "sell" to women, it's beta to convince them to fuck you, it's better to be a super ripped model Chad. Sure, it may be, but are you one? Fuck no, so learn game. You're not doing the work to become a mega Chad anyway.

Half the time guys on here remind me of women bitching. You know what you need to do, but instead of doing it, you'd rather have 10 other guys agree that your problem is indeed real and your excuse is shared by others. You'd rather be validated and a failure than unvalidated and on track to success. You know what you need to do, but you want me to pull a rabbit out of a hat and say "try this! You won't have to do X and Y and Z anymore, just repeat to yourself that these other guys are "fake alphas" and you are actually way more enlightened!"

It's like guys on here want to be talked OUT of doing the legwork they need to become alphas. They are fiendin' for it, especially the brown and yellow motherfuckers on here. Just itching for someone to help them rationalize their failures, just fiending for that dere RP science to convince them that indeed their race is the problem. And since there's nothing they can do about that, the fault doesn't lie with them.

Bottom line is, Everybody wants to be an alpha, but don't nobody wanna do alpha things. If people on here actually wanted to be alpha as much as they claim, then this sub would be completely dead on Fridays and Saturdays. Instead Saturday night is filled with more posts than USPS.

 

• "Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."

 

That sentence has a different meaning if you focus on the positive identity aspect.

I'd be fine if the sexual strategy part was dropped.

Rewrite that to:

 

• "Discussion of existence in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."

 

Then part out the sexual aspects into other subs.

There really needs to be a generic Red Pill sub with a "big picture" viewpoint.

However I have no problems with our "big tent" approach where we have males operating with different strategies to have a positive view. We disagree on strategies, but all agree anything is better than being beta and without a clue.

It all boils down to Natural Laws anyway... the sex is the "tease" to draw the clueless beta into our wake up process.

Sex sells the sub... so it's "useful".

No changes are needed as far as I see it.

 

• Amused Mastery = Positive Identity

 

...try to think like Mozart with a free mind. (where we got AWALT)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Così_fan_tutte

 

I'm skinny as fuck, I can only handle ridiculous weights and no one has ever bother me in any of the four gyms that I've been in. I don't know what kind of people have this kind of negative experience.

I'm a self-confessed skinny guy and never see people act like dicks at the gym, even the big guys. There's always polite and some do offer help.

I agree with most except your comments about academia. Having done B.S., M.S., PhDs and currently an MBA I think academia is brutally competitive but subtle. There's no chest bumping gorilla shit but the subtle art of manipulation, social proof, resource acquisition, etc. is another level. Gym bros are playing checkers while I'm playing chess.

That said, academia itself has little to do with sexual strategy. One could use it as a model and make posts but who has the time.....

There’s nothing Alpha about a bunch of bro-dudes fucking around for 5 minutes between sets, talking about the “sweet ass on that chick on the treadmill” (none have the balls to approach her mind you) and hogging the squat racks or whatever piece of equipment in the gym in the process.

Be the guy who comes in by himself with his headphones on, dialed in as fuck and gets through his workout in 60 minutes. He’s Alpha.

Firstly, I've heard one MGTOW video and thought the guy was a whinny and pathetic dude, and here's why he identified a problem but didn't accept his weakness or what he could learn from it. Basically , he designed websites and a female cousins who hosted his mum contacted him to ask him to make him a website. His whole video was bitching about how she assumed he'd do it for free because she hosted his mum and how he as a man was compelled to do it for free. Not once did he address what he could / should have done in that situation. After I watched another video to make sure and in indeed that group really offers just problems , reasons for the problems but accepts no responsibility or even thinks about change.

As for your post I get your point. But there is one group, and that's those that overcompensate, it don't matter how big and muscly or rich or whatever but you can always tell a phoney who knows he is a phoney and is over compensating to hide an insecurity

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I'm not gonna lie, for a community of "Alphas" you guys sure give a whole lotta fucks about the opinions of betas. Ffs who cares what they say on other subreddits. Get your head out of your ass and just do you, some dude tells me he's got another set and doesn't do it I'd start throwing his shit off the weights and do my shit anyway. Fuck that guy and fuck everyone else.

This post plus the mandatory piece = easy 'save'.

Breath of fresh air. Thanks OP.

I agree with this, but it's apparent who the recent redpill "im new to this gym thing" guys are.

The rest of us have been playing football, rugby, boxing, fighting in combat in afghanistan, etc.

Just from looking at how someone carries themselves you can tell. There are very few that set themselves apart without strong life experiences and those that do are truly redpill imo.

Because I have done much in physical competition with my fellow man, I feel totally confident if I go to the gym for the first time in a while (I love to run through the city/trails personally) or decide to stay in a night and play computer games.

Crucibles of fire make hard men. Hard men have confidence. Confidence allows them to fully understand and accept the redpill.

An example; I remember when I was at Ft. Benning for Small Arms Weapons expert school (which now is called something else and rolled into infantry BOLC) and an old NCO taught me a valuable lesson. Some kids in our truck thought this NCO was awesome and looked up to him because of his extensive combat experience, and asked him; "would you practice jiu jitsu with us tonight? We hear your a great fighter." His response was classic and reminds me of the zen stage of redpill. He said "what do I have to gain rolling around with a bunch of young punks? If I kick your ass it's because I'm supposed to, if I lose it's because I'm washed up. I don't even fight people unless I'm forced to anyways; you might want to punch and kick but i'm going to gouge out your eyes. I'm going to bite your nutsack off. I am an animal if I have to fight because it is to the death." Those half the people in the truck got quiet as hell and the rest of us just laughed. It was savage. This alpha dude just said he would bite a man's nutsack off and it wasn't even gay.

After that I realized true confidence is truly not giving a fuck. Giving a fuck about other people in the gym being big and strong and intimidating you? Annoying you? Then you aren't assertive enough to make your presence felt and you are a bluepill pussy still. It's ok, just go do something tough for once in your life. You can't fake confidence.

So much whining about feeling intimidated at the gym.

In reality, when you're just starting (either as a skinny ass or a fatass) you don't really need a gym: all you need is the floor.

And an extensive review of available data shows 99.3% of people in the USA and Europe have access to a floor.

Yo, OP, of course this is going to happen eventually. As a community gets larger and larger, It's identity begins to represent a larger slice of the flock. Eventually, TRP is going to be completely mainstream/beta. Basically, it is going to represent the average dude looking for pick up advice. This happens with anything remotely valuable in society. For instance, take Burning Man. That festival was started by a small group of fringe hippies who LIVED the hyper communal, anti-western lifestyle. These people lived on fucking peyote and mushrooms. Fast forward thirty years and you have rich kids rolling in with their parents $500k RV looking to be(look) cool, get fucked up and fuck bitches. I guarantee, the grass roots Burning Man founders stopped going twenty years ago; they formed another type of festival with their closest companions and embraced the aspects of their tribe devoid mainstream influence.

The same WILL happen with TRP. Boys will flock here en mass in search of masculine inspiration and eventually they'll receive a watered down shadow of what TRP used to be. This is obvious by the declining rate of quality submissions by the founders of this subreddit. Personally, if I want some good red-pilling I read books: Models, The rational Male, No More Mr Nice Guy etc.

You gotta BE TRP man if you want to be part of the gang. These positions are earned, not given by forum submissions; at least, not anymore.

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I really blame TRP for making gyms a miserable experience for those who lift for themselves. I believe TRP is responsible for this new wave of guys hitting the gym with the sole purpose of scoring pussy

I didn't understand this many years ago when I was a noob at lifting and I still don't understand this mentality. It doesn't matter what your motivations are for lifting. Whether you want to look better, feel better, score pussy, be healthier, be more disciplined, or whatever other reason you can think of, it doesn't matter. Maybe you you have no reason other than you just want to pick up heavy shit and put it back down again. Maybe you're only doing it because you can't think of any reason to not do it. The only thing that matters is that you are lifting.

Saying you need to "lift for yourself"...that's the kind of shit that discourages people from going to the gym. It's such a holier-than-thou attitude that is rooted in nothing more than arrogance.

Your gym example doesn't even require you to be at the strength level of the other gym bros to pull it off. If you are confident, assertive but non-confrontational, you generally get along with everyone.

When I started lifting a year and a half ago, I was quickly able to make friends with dudes who have been lifting for decades. I did this by being confident in my ability to do the reps while deferring to the experienced lifters superior strength and knowledge. There is definitely going to be some pushback as you establish yourself in any setting, but if you have a pair of balls and don't act like a pussy, it's easy to integrate with little effort.

I got down voted over at TRP big time

If you find yourself giving a shit about this, you've already lost.

Fuck yes! Shit when I started weight training and saw all these big mother fuckers rocking the shit out of weights wanna know what I did? I sure as fuck didn't conjure up some "I am still better than them" bullshit. Fuck no. I walked up to the biggest mother fucker I could find and started talking to him about technique, form, and program structure. Accept the fact that you suck, own it and try your damndest to not suck at that thing anymore!! Now these big motherfuckers wont leave me alone when I only have 45 minutes to hit it hard and fast. That has become my new problem. Good post man, always goid to keep my ass on track!

Some people just need to learn some damn humility and respect and realize their inadequacies are their own fault.

In high school and early college 2 friends and I consistently lifted together. There were a couple of people bigger or stronger at our gym (a pretty small ymca), but overall we were basically the biggest/strongest group and we did what we wanted. We were loud, we hogged machines, etc, and no one said anything. We EARNED those privileges by getting to the top of the ladder(though in this gym it was more like a step stool). Eventually I got a membership at a REAL gym. I felt scrawny and weak. I was no longer a top dog. I didn't cry about it, I didnt whine on the internet, but most importantly I didn't blame THEM. They were at the top and they acted like it and good for them, they EARNED it. If you want to be treated like the alpha, become the alpha. When you're squatting 365 and some weakling wants to work in, feel free to take a couple hundred pounds off the bar and then put it back on between sets... That's your choice. If you don't want to take it off that's fine too. But until you get to that point don't whine about people not doing it for you.

Exactly. Whether or not people like him, Dan Bilzerian is living it up and has a great abundance mentality, yet people insult try to make excuses as to why he isn't "alpha"

Person 1; tough luck, things change, businesses want to attract more customers, not be Zen meditation spots for internet randoms.

Person 2; I don't know the context of this one but I find it the most empathetic from in the top-half selection. Gyms are full of skinny metro posers these days and I truly don't give a crap about them clumping together and rubbing giblet's but when they're hogging equipment without using it then it's just stupid, selfish and likely against the establishment's policy. I say this with the caveat that it's not the bigger men that do this anyway, you don't get big by standing around jaw-wagging. Steroids, are you competing against them? If not then why are you upset? It's their hearts they're destroying, not yours. 'Cool guy swagger' hmmmm, it is the gym...it's not a place of business for anyone but the owners.

Person 3; people stare at me all the time and try talking to be about Rugby (Rugby! The most pointless sport in existence!), I'm the one avoiding eye contact because I don't want to talk to anybody. It's weird, I'd rather they kept to themselves.

Person 4; again, it's a gym. I'm not huge, but even I do this sometimes, often just resting.

Person 5; I've no idea what context this was said in but it's really not the case.

Person 6; they know you're a MGTOW on sight, definitely, and it upsets them for reasons their tiny minds can't comprehend.

Story 1; sounds quite nice actually. Most of my male co-workers have either been miserable, married blowhards or skunk smoking emo pillocks.

Story 2; guess it worked out for you. I would have approached the original encroachment with civility straight off the bat though, it's not enough to tell someone they're bothering you, you've got to explain to them just how they are and it'd sure be swell if they wouldn't - so you're giving them an opportunity to think "it's all cool, we just weren't paying attention and ended up disturbing someone."

The only mtgow that I respect is the one who can bang a lot of girls relative to his smv and still chooses to go mtgow. Anyone else is incel, and this guy especially. He's obviously small and weak, cause guys who are big or strong or both don't bitch about those guys, but try to be friends with them.

He's just a scared beta bitch who's safe space is ruined by the big boys

Spez: in this thread - triggered mgtow

Yeah, and you're whining about the guys who are whining. You're like the trickle down media whore, props to /u/GayLubeOil for that performance

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