The 3 components needed to be a great man. | TheRedPill

I agree with his points on the pillars of being a great man, but have to disagree with his outlook for the future. I think your more likely to see a drift towards MGOTW or the Japanese Sōshoku-kei as a large subset of men don't have access to women. That will balance things out as women then start to have a hard time accessing men.

Alternatively, if men following his suggestion of looking for women from non-feminists cultures becomes a common thing, the same effect would occur.

bankruptedcasino 12y ago

I think your more likely to see a drift towards MGOTW or the Japanese Sōshoku-kei as a large subset of men don't have access to women.

This. Particularly with all the developments in VR giving men the opportunity to have sex with a solid 10 and providing the physical stimulation that makes cold approaching/rejection not worth the effort.

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When people in the manosphere talk about "naturals", are they usually referring to men who, in spite of all the social conditioning going on, were able to have some Red Pill ideologies and pull women on a regular basis? That's more or less the archetype I thought of.

If this sub stays strong/grows stronger as the years go by, those of us here will still be able to "make it". I wouldn't call myself a natural, but once I read some Red Pill material (had already developed some beliefs) and some bits and pieces of game, the way in which I approach, talk to, and handle women changed drastically.

redpillschool Admin 12y ago

I disagree, I think American thug culture is a better indicator of where we're headed. When the only masculine men in a culture are criminals, how will men out criminal eachother to get that pussy?

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I really hope thats not the case. I believe thug culture requires poverty and ignorance to appear.

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I disagree. Drug trafficking is a symptom of drug prohibition. None of those gangs are running booze.

But the gangs ran booze during prohition

nicethingyoucanthave 12y ago

That will balance things out as women then start to have a hard time accessing men.

How many men do you think would have to be taken off the market before [attractive] women start having "a hard time accessing men."

I'm thinking it's on the order of 66% - maybe more. Never going to happen.

dmahan 12y ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

Considering it is around that number for 20-30 year old men in japan, it happened.

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Now I can see some of the external factors that explains /u/TokyoPickup's success.

nicethingyoucanthave 12y ago

That's an interesting link, and I wont discount it, but you have to recognize the cultural differences in Japan that make it a unique case.

For example, what percentage of Japanese women are attractive vs. American women? Something like half of all American women are overweight. Yuck.

Of the remaining Japanese men, how willing are they to play the field? If this happened in the US, that remaining 33% of US men would be so aggressive and alpha, they would (in my opinion) have no trouble taking care of the remaining US women (the few that are attractive).

So my point is, thanks for the info, but I still believe the ration would have to be even worse for the same result to happen in the US. Because so many american women are overweight, and because the remaining Japanese men are too passive.

_Molon_Labe_ 12y ago

It's about 70% for both women and men in America.

ss_camaro 12y ago

He's missing the most important fourth circle: cultivating nohomo relationships with other men. PUAs are too pussy-centric.

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Lifestyle, I suppose.

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Actual Eastern European dude here. (Hungarian.) I have no idea why Roosh is saying this:

In Eastern Europe all I need to be is a chatty dude with balls who doesn’t live with his parents, though of course this will change in time.

If you are going for the young, hot, and partying women here, you have to wear designer clothes, be in good shape, every other day sunbed, and the hardest part is the behavior. Not just confidence, but a kind of... happy confidence. You have to radiate that your life is one big bacchanalia of partying and fun-having and you enjoy every minute.

This is difficult in a nation that is infamous for its depression and suicide stats. For us Hungarian men the Mr. T type of "morose, bad mooded manly confidence" goes much easier - but our girls don't dig it.

I guess, as a travelling American like Roosh, his advantage is that he actually looks happy / is happy.

It's not an exaggeration that we tend to have a Mr. T style - confident, manly but unhappy and grumbling. So the happy, cheerful guys win.

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maybe he ment poland or another eastern european country. im sure there are alot of differences between a country like hungaria and others. his experience very well be much different than yours.

bradlums 12y ago

so 0 for 3, that's not too bad right??

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_Molon_Labe_ 12y ago

Maybe when he's young, but as he ages if he has no career his options will dwindle rapidly. Career is the main thing men have over women. Their looks will fade, but your income can grow.

A 25 year old that delivers pizzas and plays in a garage band might be able to get some 20-25 year old pussy. A 50 year old that delivers pizza and plays in a garage band will never get 20-25 year old pussy. He'll probably have a hard time getting 40-50 year old fat women.

What's more attractive to a hot young coed? An old, bald, slightly out of shape Bruce Willis that sometimes plays in a jazz band and delivers pizzas, or An old, bald, slightly out of shape Bruce Willis that sometimes plays in a jazz band and has millions of dollars from a successful movie career in Hollywood? Easy guess who's going to bang more 25 year olds.

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Via Vivalamanosphere.

ThatsNotScholarship 12y ago

Roosh is an ugly delusional PUA nerd. You are just plain wrong if you think getting laid in 1953 (or whatever) is easier than in 2013.

Women are less attractive because so many of them are fat now but to be fair, so are many men. Women are also very self-centered, entitled, and boring today, but maybe they were always like that, too.

redpillschool Admin 12y ago

Game was created because access to quality pussy was getting easier so we just wanted the exercise of more work for fun!

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The basic gist is that back in 1953, in the "Leave it to Beaver" era, men were expected to provide for a family, and women were expected to maintain the household.

Whereas now, men and women are financially independent, so being a "breadwinner" is no longer a necessary or sufficient condition to getting a girlfriend/wife.

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_Molon_Labe_ 12y ago

but I look at the dudes that are getting married /have married/ or have a LTR girlfriend and a lot of them do not have more than one of the components mastered.

And half of those marriages won't make it past 5 or even 10 years.