Summary: I've stumbled upon a misconception that married girls and those in relationships are easy targets. I strongly disagree with that statement as well as with saying that you need some special skills to game married chicks.
Are Girls With Boyfriends Different?
It is wrong to assume that there is some special skillset required to sleep with a girl in a relationship or one who's married. Girls are girls. They all experience the same emotions and desires and they all set up borders as to what is acceptable.
I hope no one still believes that you can pick up every girl. There will be those who are not interested (in you) and those in wonderful relationships that don't need anything more from life. Especially the latter won't risk destroying what they have for a wild night with a random guy.
There is nothing special in girls with boyfriends and they do not differ from those single who just want a fuck friend (or even a sport fuck). It's not like they're different social group! That being said you have to be careful about few things.
Dos And Don'ts
Dating and sleeping with a married women or girl who is in some sort of relationship isn't more complicated than your usual conquers. Do not treat her differently as this is usually the beginning of your demise but at the same time avoid common pitfalls.
Don't mention her boyfriend, at all. All you need to do when she mentions having one is say "ok" or "I understand". That's it. Do not make a big deal out of it and do not start that subject yourself. When she talks about him in any other way that acknowledging he exists - say one of the above and change the subject.
Don't remind her that she's cheating or in any way judge her or make her feel bad. That should be an exciting, pleasant adventure for her. You both know it's "not right" (according to society) and that's what makes it exciting but there's no reason to talk about it. Guilt tripping is a big no-no.
Don't make a big deal out of single anything! If she's already decided then she's not going to shit test the hell out of you. She will merely want to know that you can keep a secret and you won't destroy her marriage/relationship. If anything, she wants to do that by herself.
Married Girls Are (Not) Easier
People who say such things don't count rejections. It might seem that when you get such a girl on a date everything is easy and the sheer excitement of a "forbidden" situation takes care of everything. But to find one isn't that easy. Most girls in relationships are either relatively happy or not willing to risk what they have and they won't even give you their number.
Those who want to cheat risk a lot and if they've already decided - they just do it without much thinking. That's why it might seem so easy, classic survivorship bias. You first have to find them and meet them in a right moment, when the decision has been made.
Lessons (re)learned:
- Don't treat her differently.
- Don't mention her boyfriend, at all.
- Don't talk about her partner when she tries to.
- Don't guilt trip or judge her.
- Make it into fun and exciting adventure, not something to be ashamed of.

Alpha_Jedi 8y ago
Never mess with married women: EVER. It's not so much a moral thing as it is a practical thing. You can't trust them, you have a wildcard spouse that you'll have to deal with, and the whole situation is just unnecessary stress. Keep life simple and find a non-married girl. there are plenty.
TheRockingAbraham 8y ago
30% of guys are raising children not their own. And psychology says 50% of married women have a 2nd draft quarterback plan. And if you do the math, the most fertile women ARE the married ones. IE from 15-25 their pregnancy chance is like 1 out of 1800 (contraception) but from 26-29 it is like 1 out of 180. Makes mathematical sense, but is it ethical? Is there a risk of death, is their husband totally simped or not? Best not mess with a police or military man's wife.
[deleted] 8y ago
Why not become a rapist then?
You seem to think that your actions dont affect other people in society. Well they do, and your encouraging of degeneracy among married women encourages the further breakdown of society. Basically your degeneracy indirectly affects me
tddaygame 8y ago
Do I really have to explain that raping is against someone's will? Extramarital sex has only willing participants. Get your analogies straight.
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Thotwrecker 8y ago
Married girls are super easy if you are in the right venues. Because they are prequalified - like if a married girl is out at the club, she's either fishing for dick or she's trying to feel validated sexually and confirm that she's still attractive (and then retreat back to her boring life). Either way, it's easy.
It's like in sales - if they walked in, they obviously want to be helped to purchase something, they wouldn't be here if they didn't want a car or a suit or bauble or a membership. Always just assume that if she's in a situation where she's going to get sexual attention, she put herself there on purpose to be seduced.
Additionally, there's no need for her to evaluate your provider traits. She can't have you providing, she has to make the decision on a purely sexual basis - is this guy arousing me enough to risk losing my stable life? Yes / no - that is a question she just knows the answer to, and if it's yes, then nothing will stop her if you deal with her minor shitty LMR and objections and her friends. Her friends are the biggest obstacle - although if they like you, they will gleefully encourage her. Yeah, your GF's friends who you chat with and play nice with, when they are out, they want her to cuck you.
I'd say like 1/2 of the girls I fuck these days are in a relationship or married. You're not going to get shot, at least in a city like SF where I live, these guys are so cucked that half of them know. There's really no reason not to go for it, escalate hard, and push for a same night lay.
Never take the number - never ever ever be her gay texting buddy who gives her emotional tingles from afar to help her cope with her boring marriage. Just don't do it, if it's not going to happen that night, then forget it. I kino really hard too if I can tell she's into it, I'll move her, I'll pick her up, I'll put my arm around her like I own her in the club and move her away from her friends. You have to just go for it and deal with it not working a lot - it doesn't matter, she's fucking club trash regardless of how she says she has a man etc etc. Her ass hanging out says differently, so you attract, isolate, vibe a little until she's comfortable leaving and get her used to you physically moving her, and then extract her. I've fucked richer, more Chaddy guys' GFs and wives this way.
And a fun fact for those who are still in denial / anger mode - back in the day I was really into rawdogging because I was young and didn't give a shit about myself. Married women who were out on the prowl with their GFs... they would almost always rawdog. Some would even tell me I could put it in raw if I did try to use a condom. Married bitches go out when they are in heat, that's how AFBB works - when they are ovulating they are more likely to be trying to cheat on their man, and that's when they have a very strong urge to get AF cum. So many of these girls cheat raw and then talk about how OMG I never do this.
smokecheck1976 8y ago
As to knowingly fucking around with a married chick:
Do you want extra holes in your body? Because that's how you get extra holes in your body. The sorts of holes that violate rule 1 of medicine, "Blood goes around, air goes in and out" which is, sort of an important rule.
Further, do you honestly trust a married chick as far as you would trust anyone else? There are rare exceptions, but by and large, if she is married, keep moving. Taking that sort of risk is stupid.
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Ninokun 8y ago
every man who would attack the lover of his Wife is an Idiot anyway, the swallowed the bluepill deep if they think he 'seduced' her
max_peenor 8y ago
Well, they can ponder that in jail while the "lover" rots in a grave.
This is not a moral argument. I give not a single fuck if someone wants to fuck married slags. Knock yourself out with the dumpster diving. <--- judgement argument, not a moral one. The fact of the matter is that it adds a significant element of risk for little more in reward (or in most cases less reward because you are pumping used up, thousand-cock-stare leftovers). It's shitty math.
tddaygame 8y ago
Well you're making a straw man right now by saying all married girls willing to cheat are used up, thousand-cock-stare leftovers. Even those who married young and got bored. I'm sure an average hottie you meet at a club is less used up than a married girl...
Oh wait, no, she isn't. So while I totally understand that you personally might not want to sleep with a girl who's married (or in a monogamous relationship) I'd say that it actually might suggest her n-count isn't that big.
Especially judging from my experiences with married girls (most of them got really attached pretty quickly)...
max_peenor 8y ago
That's not a straw man.
Women are marrying later and doing so after having premarital sex. If you are looking for low counts, statistically you'll need to find older women. Of course, the wall is long tumbled by then. If you have any reasonable chance of finding a young and low count, you are fishing in the early twenties pool. However, then you have to ask why this young bride is so willing to cheat? She shouldn't be bored yet. No. She is just predisposed to it... and you really think you are the only other dick? Yeah no.
It's dumpster diving. Sure, someone might have accidentally thrown away a silver fork, but for the most part you are covered in garbage and surrounded by scorned men. High cost, low reward. Bad math.
SouthernFit 8y ago
I have never met a single person in my life time who would honestly kill someone for doing that. I think you're taking it a bit far, but thats just me.
TheRealYekke 8y ago
Yeah I would, you're putting your dick in my cunt. I'd slice you up and down before putting you out of your misery as well.
SouthernFit 8y ago
lol OK buddy, have fun spending the rest of your life in Jail over your cheating slut.
max_peenor 8y ago
Well, violent outcomes aren't always a bullet to the face, but it happens. It varies by country and region, though being a member of the military seems to be contributing factor.
I can't find it right now, but read a paper once that said that violent outcomes were more common when the cheating was a complete surprise. I figure if he knows about Jody, he doesn't give as many fucks since it's pretty much AWALT, but if he has his head up his ass and gets home to finding his pure sweetie getting plowed, shit gets ugly. I was the military equivalent of a bailiff at a court marshal for exactly this; yes, he was blue as fuck and he got decades behind bars to think about it. Whereas a lot of other guys knew exactly what TDY meant--temporary divorce assignment.
tddaygame 8y ago
What risk? Do you REALLY think someone would confront me? Grow up.
Plus I live in a country when no one has access to firearms. And I'm quite sure I'll usually be the stronger one anyway. Not that anyone would ever actually confront me and/or find out.
So... what risk?
smokecheck1976 8y ago
A knife, a screwdriver, or a car will do just as well. Just because you think you are Billy Badass doesn't mean you can't be laid low.
tddaygame 8y ago
And exactly how many such things happen yearly? And how many cases of adultery happen per year? Don't you think you're overexaggerating?
Besides - I ride a motorbike, my chances of dying in a traffic accident are much higher that the following scenario: a) a husband finds out that his wife cheated on him b) he decides to find out with whom c) he finds out about me d) after all this time he is still angry enough to do something stupid e) finds me f) he is actually stupid enough to try do something g) he succeeds.
smokecheck1976 8y ago
There is taking a risk (riding a motorcycle) and there is gambling (fooling around with another dude's wife). I'll take risks where appropriate and necessary, however I do not gamble.
A for adultery rates, it's really hard to judge. First the percentage numbers of women that cheat on their spouse are all over the place. Second, I have to spread even the highest number out over years. You also assume you are big enough and tough enough to handle him, but you may find yourself at a disadvatage (i.e. he walks in on you), all men are about the same size on the ground.
Treasure_hand 8y ago
Just because you live in a country that no one has legal access to firearms doesn't mean there isn't any out there. Car is a better close range weapon anyway. Take this from some who's had a gun to his head for fucking someone else's woman (my ex). The only way, and I mean ONLY way I go out of it without dying or shooting him first (I also had gun, never draw on a drawn gun) was convincing him he should leave her, instead of going to prison over a tramp, and I agreed I wouldnt report him to the police. That's it, if this poor dickhead had any less self control I probably wouldn't be here right now. Go ahead game married women , I couldn't careless what YOU do, but to dismiss people warning you of credible threats to your safety, is assinine. Like one of the top comments said, BP, AFBB, beta whatever the fuck doesn't matter if your fucking dead. Carry on gents.
tddaygame 8y ago
Yeah, get the lowest estimate of adultery rates and higher rates for assault where cheating wife was the main motive. There's really nothing to be afraid of.
BTW I'm not suggesting anyone should do it. I'm just saying "if you want to - here's how".
Throwawaysteve123456 8y ago
SO true. If she's on a date with you, you'd have to REALLY fuck it up to not get laid. Getting her on the date? You should have lower success.
[deleted] 8y ago
Women with an SO or especially married are easier because like most people get relaxed when they are comfortable. Like the phrase "harsh times makes strong men. Easy times makes soft men."
People think because they're married they got shit on lock. Like as if they bought something from the store and out away in the garage. The urge to acquire is stronger than the urge to have and maintain. With the absent effort and energy women can feel a hole in their life. Especially if the guy is a dork vicariously living through the TV watchin football and playing fantasy sports.
Hence why shit like Twilight and 50 shades of grey were big amongst married women.
the tougher part comes when the married couple have children. Her instincts are to keep the household together for the sake of the children.
I won't bother with married women that have kids. I'm not a homewrecker and I know how hard it was for me as a kid having to deal with that.
trp_ocd 8y ago
The term "Mutally Assured Destruction" should always be applied to married game.
[deleted] 8y ago
You don't feel man enough unless you go for married women? Is this some sort of fetish of yours and you can't get off without it? Please grow the fuck up. Stop being selfish, immature and irresponsible. I get that this tickles your ego and conserves your sense of self-worth but it is pathetic.
tddaygame 8y ago
There is a link in the sidebar called Rules. You can read there as follows:
[deleted] 8y ago
So the whole concept of TRP is based on having no morals and just focusing on the individual, completely disregarding other people. You can't stand moralizing because without it, you are allowed to continue in your pursuit of self-love and self-indulgence. Like I've stated above, it tickles your ego and conserves your sense of self-worth. You agree with it, because it's comfortable that way for you. Attracting and having sex with (married or in a LTR) women is easy and comfortable. But being in a relationship, raising children and a family, having responsibilities and being a man is hard. When you will mature, hopefully you will, you will be ready for the harder things in life which masculinity is all about. Until then, you're welcome to pursue a comfortable, carefree life. I've learned a lesson with this occasion. Thank you.
tddaygame 8y ago
I can't stand moralizing because you're telling me how to live based on your personal morals and ethics. They are not universal, they are not ingrained in the definition of masculinity - they are yours.
Grow up and accept that not everyone has to live like you personally want them to. Because there is no difference between wishing "men should marry and have kids" and "women should like nice guys". It’s just projection of your own beliefs.
I have no problem with you living that way. And you should not have a problem with me living my way.
Also - at least try to accept the rules of the reddit you're using. No moralizing is the rule number two. It's that important.
[deleted] 8y ago
This is degeneracy. Just because married women are capable of having extramarrital affairs it doesnt mean you should pursue it. You people are the reason the west has declining birth rates.
"B-b-but PUSSY BRO!"
Fuck outta here with that shit. Having sex with girls and finding out theyre married is one thing, but actively pursuing married women is fucking retarded and I hope anyone that tries this gets shot up by raging husbands
JBrogrammer 8y ago
Sexual strategy is amoral. A loser is a loser.
tddaygame 8y ago
Great way to hold up frame and not get angry, bro! Also: "no moralizing" is the rule number two here in case you've missed it.
[deleted] 8y ago
OP is not wrong. There is too much butthurt about this post in the comments. This is classic RP game strategy- period.
If I may interpret what OP is saying here - some married women are going to fuck around with someone. Whether it is you or someone else. They are bored/sad/unfulfilled/insane/slutty or whatever and they are going to do something. All any man can do is to decide whether he is going to engage or not.
The upside that the she will fuck you, and go home and take her shit out on her husband. He gets the abuse, you get the benefits.
The downside is that you are indeed contributing to a growing problem. But since when the f@ck has that stopped anyone here from fucking random bitches or seeking out virgins. Gaming a virgin is so much more evil than anything said here in this post, yet this is bandied about with glee on TRP.
I agree that it is wrong to screw around with a married woman. I have turned down several opportunities to do so. In fact, these offers were all straws that helped cement my anti-marriage stance.
But marriage is a joke and a scam anyway.
So there's that.
Pastelitomaracucho 8y ago
Girls are girls.
Girls which have a gaggle of men behind them drenching them with attention are hard to get.
Girls which need attention are much easier to get. Attention craving may happen because they are not as attractive, because they feel lonely or because they are stuck in stale relationships in which they don't feel the validation they need. That is why women in unhappy, but stable relationships will end up cheating. We men do it too.
[deleted] 8y ago
Girls who already have beta bux at home are qualifying you for sex or a branch swing. IME they are easier to close, especially if they are open about the other guy as it sets the stage for the nature of your relationship early. They can get everything they want from BB back home- they need pussy tingles from you.
Girls who are happy with their current situation don't go out dressing like sluts and drinking with strangers without their men.
tddaygame 8y ago
I'm a daygamer. I meet them during the day in random situations, usually when they walk to/from work or meeting. So no, they don't "dress like sluts" or "are drinking".
"Easier to close" but "harder to find one willing to cheat" so it evens out. Do 100 cold approaches on girls in relationships and 100 on single girls you'll get equal number of notches from each group.
Conceited-Monkey 8y ago
You do not need to "game" married chicks. If a woman wants to fuck around, and you are the candidate, no discernible game is required, other than to be available and indicate you are discreet.
tddaygame 8y ago
You contradict yourself. The game is required to pass as the candidate. It's not like "any guy will do".
Conceited-Monkey 8y ago
The principal considerations are your looks and availability. A modicum of social competency is assumed. If a married woman wants to get laid she usually explicitly picks one guy who she is attracted to. Then it is just logistics.
tddaygame 8y ago
Ok, so you subscribe to "only looks matter" theory. I wouldn't say that was the case with the married girls I've slept with. I'd use much broader "charm". It's not enough to say "nice shoes, wanna fuck?" be it a married chick or a single.
Conceited-Monkey 8y ago
Hence my caveat "a modicum of social competency". Obviously, if you attractive but a drooling lunatic you probably won't get far. But to get anywhere, she has to be attracted to you initially, and that is primarily a function of your face, physique, dress and grooming. If you pass this hurdle, then social acuity or "game" has some impact. But you cannot use "game" to make a woman attracted to you.
tddaygame 8y ago
My daygame experiences both in person and watching/listening to others suggest that charm/wit/personality/lifestyle are as important as physical looks if not more.
YMMV
Conceited-Monkey 8y ago
Charm, wit, personality and lifestyle are all relevant and help to escalate, provided the girl is actually attracted to you.
What we are dealing with a false cause fallacy. A guy meets a girl at the bar, they hit it off, they go home. The guy concludes "I got Game." Perhaps. Alternatively, he approached a girl who wanted to have sex, she found him attractive, he did not fuck up the interaction and they went and had sex. I find this more likely.
tddaygame 8y ago
So in your world "game" is the ability to not fuck up the interaction.
In my world the interactions are usually longer and the girls are rarely "yes girls". The "game" is the ability to change "maybe, I don't know" to "ok, let's do this".
I think we just have different experiences. Both can be true.
Conceited-Monkey 8y ago
Human mating has been studied a fair bit. We know females select mates, the screening process is fast, it isn't a conscious process, and it's based mostly on visual stimulus.
"Game" doesn't impact on this. There simply isn't time.
wasabichilifireworks 8y ago
The ones who you will get a yes from are the ones who are unhappy. A few times I have been given major IOIs by married women after talking to them about their relationship. Things are not going so well, my husband cheated on me etc. These women are starved for attention. They don't get it at home. They have to put on a happy face all the time for their friends, family, and co-workers. They want an escape. If they start telling you about their situation it's pretty much a green light.
Personally, I wouldn't consider it outside of this scenario. I think actively trying to pursue a girl who's in a serious committed relationship or marriage is actually just kind of desperate. There are plenty of girls out there. If you are a man of value you can get the ones that aren't spoken for and avoid damaging some poor bloke's family.
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yummyluckycharms 8y ago
If you are high enough value male, it doesnt matter if the girl has a husband or long term boyfriend - they'll fuck you anyways. The only difference is that the one with a significant other tends not to linger around your house/apartment - especially if its not a business trip for them.
I should note that Exes that are married are perhaps even easier to bone than married girls that you didnt previously date. They know what you can do, and they like it.
bminuscplus 8y ago
I personally think it is wrong to go out gaming with engaged women, but to each their own I guess...
In the words of user TheeRyanGrey:
In my younger twenties doing high end club work I used to target married women specifically; it was killing two birds with one stone: I was stroking my ego, finally leaving my blue pill mindset behind and seeing my power, feeling superior to other men; and satisfying my older woman fetish young men foolishly have.
Then something clicks, you realize you're contributing to this woman's adultery, to the downfall of society, and worst of all, you're rewarding her bad behavior.
I stopped fucking married women for the same reason I stopped letting women slide with bad behavior: Even if it fucks up my chance of getting laid, I have to put my principles over sex, I can't let sex control me.
So enjoy this plate. Get it out of your system. Just realize you're rewarding her, you're dignifying her behavior.
max_peenor 8y ago
This month's retelling of "How To Take A Bullet To The Face"