"I've never met a redpiller with a daughter" | TheRedPill

I recently ran into a person who was against the Red Pill that stated a simple proposition to why the red pill is a lie...there are no red pillers with daughters. How could they get think of their daughter that way?

Well I have been in the red pill for two years now, and I have two daughters. Love em to death. And I'll explain how I think of them.

First off, I don't hate or despise women. I don't hate or despise blue pillers. I don't hate or despise anyone that is against us. I know what red pill has done for me, and I know what its capable of. Red Pill doesn't hate or despise women. It hates and despises the culture and society that has brought us to the present that allows our nature to become the worst. This culture of hypergamy is extremely new, and strategies and counter strategies to achieving what you want to achieve in life is extremely fresh, for both sides.

As for my daughter, I want what's best for them. Going to bars and clubs and being a slut is not what's best for her. Saving herself for marriage and building a relationship and future with another man (or woman, don't care) that has also saved themselves for her is the best possible outcome for a relationship.

I've looked at studies on what makes a happy relationship, and the highest success rates are usually religious, move into a new house together, didn't live together before hand, waited until after marriage for their first sexual experience, and are absolutely committed to each other. As far as I'm concerned, marriage is a completely religious thing, and if you aren't religious, you really shouldn't be getting married.

The truth is, none of that is contradictory to Red Pill theory. In fact, mate bonding absolutely agrees with this.

I don't want my daughter to be apart of PUA culture or slut culture or any of that. I'd personally rather her build an empire for herself if she doesn't want to save herself for marriage. But if she does participate, the only chance she has to finding happiness is to find a red piller that is building a life and business and lock him down with marriage, and failing that finding a blue piller that is willing to give her his fortune.

But ultimately, my daughter's choices are her own, and I will do everything I can to support her in finding true happiness, in whatever shape and form she can derive that from her own abilities and our society.

There is no way to describe the love I have for my daughter. I know that I will never, ever be able to replicate that love for another woman in this lifetime, and I know that she will never be able to find a man that could give her the love that I feel for her.

Every interaction with my daughter only strengthens my resolve that the red pill is true, instead of the opposite.

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alphabeta49 9y ago

I have a son and a daughter. The way that I raise him will be very different than the way I raise her, though the structure is similar.

He will self improve in traditional masculine ways, at least at first. He can pick his own path once he is responsible enough to own it. He will learn to conquer, and find women worthy of his conquests. Men with lots of experience are most attractive. He will know what purpose his gender serves to women.
She will self improve in traditional feminine ways, at least at first. She can pick her own path once she is responsible enough to own it. She will learn to only be conquered by a man worthy of her. Women with little experience are most attractive. She will know what purpose her gender serves to men.

They are young still, barely out of the toddler stage. But I am already preparing myself to raise with two separate strategies and the shit tests that are undoubtedly coming, from all three of them.

djthiago1 9y ago

Extremelly relevant pic. Virgin wives are BEST wives.

https://i.imgur.com/rrLe319.jpg

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throwawayred521 9y ago

But my feminist feels! How am I going to justify hating you!

Hamstrhamstrhamstrhamstrhamstr

On a serious note though, I've been on the RP for a while too, and although I don't have kids, when I do and if it's a daughter I would be in the same mentality as this man.

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unaffectedby 9y ago

This. When reading the other comments, I get a sense that the authors are missing the point that this is a father explaining how he knows what's best for his daughter (that he loves) due to his redpill knowledge.

xx69bootyhunter69xx 9y ago

Dunno man, wouldn't be the same for me. I don't ever wanna have kids, but if I ever changed my mind and had kids, I'd only want sons, because I'd love to raise warriors full of testosterone. And if it turned out to be a daughter I'd probably not care about her much. I guess I just hate women. Which is why I probably don't represent the average red-piller.

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hawkeaglejesus 9y ago

To me it's about teaching a child what's best for them long term, even if it makes them upset short term.

A child doesn't know what's good for it because it doesn't have any experience. So you as a parent have to control their natural urges and provide guidance. A good parent controls what their child eats because a child left to its own devices will consume cookies and soda all day. The sugary snacks will make the child feel good immediately, followed by a tummy ache, and long term obesity health issues.

Just as women's natural urges were controlled in the past, today we're seeing the effects of leaving women to their own devices. Sure, being a slut and getting tons of sex/validation feels good in the moment, but then you get the tummy ache of guys not calling back, and long term emotional/social health effects where you lose the ability to pair bond and no one wants to commit to a slut with tons of emotional baggage.

There's a reason the #1 statistical outlier for unmarried women ages 30+, more than any other demographic, is the consumption of wine and anti-depressants.

putin_vor 9y ago

You're so wrong on the religious thing.

1) People of most major religions, except catholics, have divorce rates significantly higher compared to atheists (21% atheists, 27% christians, 24% mormons, 30% jews). The Bible Belt has the highest divorce rate in the country.

2) Marrying someone before having sex with them is incredibly dumb, it goes against the TRP ideas. Sex first, relationship later. What if they suck at sex? What if they refuse to do anything but missionary twice a year?

3) Marriage is not a religious institution anymore, it hasn't been for a while. You can get married in a church, but nobody cares, it's meaningless to everyone but you. People get married for the actual rights and benefits that the state provides - visitation rights, inheritance rights, medical decisions, joint taxes, etc.

lemming1607 9y ago

1) Every study I've seen is contrary to this

2) You shouldn't be marrying someone with the goal of sex. That's dumb as fuck.

3) You are correct, and I believe it's one of the downfalls of the society we live in

putin_vor 9y ago

1) It only means you're extremely biased, and went looking for certain stats, and found them. If you simly searched for "divorce rate religion", you'd get a bunch of links that disprove your message. Stop living in a bubble.

2) That's a straw man argument. I didn't say you marry with the goal of sex, but sex is big part of marriage, since you lock yourself up to having sex with just one partner (unless it's open marriage, but that's rare). Hence, if you're getting married before having sex, you're a moron of epic proportions.

3) I'm right, but your conclusion is wrong again. Secularization of marriage is a good thing, because it had to be brought under the legal framework. What went wrong is all the unfair divorce nonsense about half of the property and alimony, and it's a shame.

In the end, state marriage is completely voluntary - don't like it, don't get married. Hardly the downfall of the society. These problems can be fixed, and probably will be fixed. As men and wealthy women refuse to get married, it's more likely to happen.

Slut_Slayer9000 9y ago

You are not as red pill as you think sir. You are very very naive with this kind of thinking.

lemming1607 9y ago

how does this contradict the red pill?

alphabeta49 9y ago

You're raising your daughter to use the red pill with a feminine strategy, which is different than the masculine strategy. Former is to be picky, not slutty, be a deep thinker and improve herself. Latter also has the improvement component but doesn't encourage men to be chaste. These dumb dudes are getting the two confused.

I don't agree with your take on religion, check your stats. Religion isn't a failsafe against painful divorce.

But it makes sense that the way you do red pill, as a man, is going to differ from how you teach red pill to your daughter. Fisherman is teaching his fish how to avoid getting hooked by the next loser who tosses in some cheap bait.

Hadoukenz 9y ago

Whats your source on those religious statistics? Also just because someone says they're religious doesn't mean they practice it fully. So I wouldnt think much of those figures

And you missed out muslims? Besides morals (and in some cultures honour) which keep them from divorcing, I'd be willing to bet divorce rates are somewhere in the 5%

Edit: Lol didn't know this would be so triggering

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putin_vor 9y ago

I don't count muslims, because in many places you get killed for getting divorced or even for attempting to, so the whole thing is missing free will. I don't consider that morality as well. "Do X or I kill you" is not morality.

"So I wouldnt think much of those figures"

So why are you asking for the sources then? Just so you can dismiss them instantly?

Here's some data with source citations anyway:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

[deleted] 9y ago

Lol dafuq? Only extremists kill adulterers and even they let divorces as long as the couple are married(warbrides have no rights) and both were loyal during their marriage, rest of the Muslims can divorce when they want just like rest of the world.

ATPsynthase12 9y ago

1/3 of Muslims in the U.K. (Yes the ""civilized"" ones) support the stoning and execution of adulterous wives. Women have no rights in Islamic countries.

In countries like Saudi Arabia, the rates are low because women are objects to them.

Hadoukenz 9y ago

Doesnt Judaism and Christianity also teach women as second class to men? Lets turn a blind eye to them, because they aren't interesting

(btw I am not saying the object thing is right, but there is a hierarchy)

ATPsynthase12 9y ago

Maybe, but in degrees of severity, Islam is head and shoulders over Christianity. I grew up in the Bible Belt as a member of one of the more conservative Protestant sects, and they allowed divorce and see women as equals. The only caveat is that women cannot hold places of authority in church (which I don't necessarily agree with), but most men aren't allowed that privilege either. It's very meritocratic in that sense where to even teach a class you are intensely evaluated. They also had a weird rule where you could only remarry if you have evidence of infidelity in your partner male or female (I have yet to see scriptural evidence of this though).

In normal conservative Christian society, divorce is allowed from the woman's point of view. But in Saudi Arabia if you catch your husband fucking someone else, you need multiple men to vouch for you which is nigh impossible. However if it is the other way around, then she and the other man is at the mercy of the husband.

Max_Bigly 9y ago

64% of muslims support killing those who leave the faith. By definition the majority of muslims are extremists

Hadoukenz 9y ago

Where the fuck are you reading this from? Nice way of defining 1.7 billion people, a billion of which are extremists according to you. Wow, I didnt know 1/7 of people on this earth were monsters.

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Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 9y ago

Sorry, dude. Islam's gotta go. All 1.7 billion of them.

From the day the religion first appeared until the present day, Islam has been all about killing its non-Muslim neighbors for not being Muslim. And when there weren't any convenient non-Muslims to kill, they'd start killing each other for not being Muslim enough or being the wrong kind of Muslim.

This is going to keep going until there are only two guys left on earth, and they're still going to be trying to kill each other for Allah.

It's time to wise up about that religion and stop preaching tolerance.

Hadoukenz 9y ago

Easily said than done brother. Even a nuke won't be able to get rid of 1.7 billion people. An easier solution would be if you'd just start to judge people based on their actions and merits, rather than the religion they label themselves at. Religion is a personal thing, its someone's personal choice that they want to believe in a god. And you (not you specifically) tell me there is no freedom of choice amongst muslims? Well have a look at yourself because you saying "islam's gotta go" really shows how much you actually respect freedom of choice. Sigh

GreenPiller 9y ago

Come on man...are you really buying the "Not All Muslims are like that..." crap??? Look at Europe for Christ sake. And before you start telling me the classic "But they are terrorists not Muslims!!" crap, take into consideration the fact that Islam has very questionable foundations and ideologies.

Hadoukenz 8y ago

I live in Europe, I am a muslim, I respect all religions and I am friends with people from all religions, I don't bomb people. What is your response?

Max_Bigly 9y ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/?utm_term=.795b7bf1fca9

this is from WP which is a liberal rag

35% of british muslims think suicide bombings of US is justified http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

djthiago1 9y ago

Hate to break it to you, but most people on earth are not good people, have you seen the state most of Asia and Africa is today? You've got a lot to learn grasshopper.

Hadoukenz 9y ago

God that might be true. But sure as hell isnt prescribed in islam (or any other major religion). I've read the quran myself and I hate to break to you, but it didnt teach me to be extreme but taught me to be a decent guy

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Generally, when a country has started to impose Sharia Law, there's a big risk that apostasy can become a crime punishable by death. Hiding a convert can also be a criminal offense, deserving of extreme punishments up to the death penalty. That's the way things are, in some Muslim majority countries.

The Quran teaches muslims that apostasy is a major betrayal of god, that is deserving of harsh punishment. You could try to argue that saying this, I'm misinterpreting something, but that's just a flat out lie. The faith doesn't tip toe around the issue at all, and there is no room to misunderstand.

This sums it up pretty neatly: "whoever changed his Islamic religion then kill him"

(bukhari 9.84.57)

Its not possible to take Muhammad out of context here. He's saying quite plainly that Apostasy in Islam, is a crime punishable by death.

Its no surprise then, when a lot of regular muslims, feel that honor killing an apostate daughter, or killing an apostate in their community if they refuse to repent, or having a law in their government that allows for the killing of apostates, that they'll be OK with this sort of thing, because it's what their religion tells them is right.

We need to understand, in the west, that Sharia Law is not compatible with western ideas like Freedom of Religion.

Hadoukenz 9y ago

I appreciate the well-worded response. But to tell you the truth, the Quran also says that someone's isn't a true muslim till they make up their mind around maturation age, and everything up to that point is to an extent forgiven.

The part about betrayal of God, of course is true, I am not denying that. Although why would any religion be proud of that. You tell a preacher you don't believe in jesus he's not gonna say go on son, I don't care

Apostasy back in the foundation of islam would've been punished with death, because that is the kind of culture we find then. Now its still betrayal, I and many others believe, but to punish it by death is unrightful and many forward thinking muslims believe in repent. This has been mentioned in the Quran

Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion..."

There are still muslim groups out there that are backward-thinking, so I agree that some muslims still think it should be punished by death

Hadoukenz 9y ago

They might not be your morals but it is morality to them. I'm just trying to say that having a pre-arranged marriage isnt as bad as the west want to believe (unless there's abuse and violence), this whole finding your soul partner is utter bullshit. For them, they just make it work. That was the point I was trying to make.

putin_vor 9y ago

True, to them it might be moral, but to me - never. Freedom trumps it all. That's why arranged marriages are immoral in my book. Both men and women should be able to choose who to live with.

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Slut_Slayer9000 9y ago

Those people are all indoctrined into believing what their religion wants them to believe, they never HAD a choice to not believe. Can we stop defending their "choices" when they actually aren't choosing, they're choosing the better of two bad choices. There is no leave without repercussion option for these people brought up in that type of lifestyle and religion, so any kind of defense for their practices is utter bullshit.

Hadoukenz 9y ago

That's an incredibly naive thing to say. Who says they don't have a choice? Who told you this? The media? Well guess what the media isnt the your best source if you didnt know.

Go out there and talk to people, muslims, there's a whole spectrum of practices (the only ones you've heard about are probably ridiculous laws imposed in Saudi Arabia, which is the act of the government not the religion)

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Slut_Slayer9000 9y ago

How is it naive? They were born into it, they had no choice to not be in it. If they were to attempt to leave they could possibly be killed, without a doubt exiled from their friends and family and if they survive all of the above have an incredibly hard and challenging life all because they didn't want to accept a religion they were forced into it. Its the same shit with the whole hijab nonsense. Yeah if you go ask women there if they feel "oppressed" or if they like it or not 9 out of 10 times they enjoy wearing it. But they never had an option to NOT wear it. Its all they know, and the social repercussions for not wearing it are extreme. How is that a choice? These people are indoctrinated into that ideology from a very young age and have no choice but to accept its practices. That's all they know and they never had a choice otherwise.

Hadoukenz 9y ago

ffs think what makes you happy bud

But I know that all muslims (in the west at least) have a choice. Its not their religion that has made them bound to their practice, but rather the culture they live in. Here in the west there are plenty of muslims that have stopped practicing with no repercussions from direct family etc. But if we're talking about somewhere like Iran, fucking of course there's repercussions, islam is embedded deep into their culture and is a standard.

aDrunkenWhaler 9y ago

Get ready for your precious daughter to suck dick Sunday after curch, in her teens.

How I know this?

You're a hardcore bible believer
You make a big case out of her saving herself for marriage.
Overprotective and controlling
Statistics & common sense

alphabeta49 9y ago

Can confirm. Was raised in a church.

OP has some good ideas, but need to be fleshed out and de-religioned.

throwthisshitaway7 9y ago

Exactly. I can just imagine the lectures he gives her as she rolls her eyes, groans "yeesss daddy" and snapchats nudes to Chad as soon as she gets 2 minutes to herself.

adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago

I was at a table with an old woman today. She had lost her husband, a couple of years ago. He was quite the old-alpha type, tall, looks, laid-back. He gave her two children, gave her a strong torso to cower behind when shit hit the fan.

She never stopped whining. Up until the day her husband died, she was nagging him. Even now, she keeps complaining that no-one gave her anything. She will die in a few years, bitter and disappointed. Not because she didn't have a good life, not because she didn't have a good man taking care of her. Because she cannot feel gratitude.

So here's a thought. Women cannot let go of their privilege - not because they are women, but because they are privileged. The most they can do, is have some gratitude for what men do for them. Gratitude, the opposite of entitlement. We men do not betray out daughters, the way women betray their sons. We won't make them serve the male imperative, we want the best for them. But getting your daughter to have some gratitude for what men (will) do for her, is going to enrich her life and make her happier.

XenithTheCompetent 9y ago

Hey, I just want to warn you that there is no way she should or will save herself for marriage. If she does and it turns out that the two are incompatible in the bedroom, then that is going to be a shitty marriage.

Just let her try things, but in a controlled way. Good luck.

sadomasochrist 9y ago

two are incompatible in the bedroom, then that is going to be a shitty marriage

Basically you want to pair your daughter with a natural. Worst case, cash and prizes. That's your best bet.

XenithTheCompetent 9y ago

But there really is no problem with letting them explore sexual things. Just do it in a controlled, safe manner.

sadomasochrist 9y ago

Uhh... no.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability/

XenithTheCompetent 9y ago

I'll have to come back to this, I can't read it right now.

lemming1607 9y ago

if you're getting married just for sex, you're dumb as fuck.

If you are a virgin and only have sex with your husband, how the fuck would you know that there's better out there?

XenithTheCompetent 9y ago

If you've never tried cake before and someone offers you some god-awful cake, and you try it, you'll know it's bad. But everyone else keeps talking about how awesome cake is. What gives? You'll know you had bad cake. And now you want to see what good cake tastes like.

Somewhat shitty analogy, but I think it conveys the point.

Making her wait to try things like sex and relationships will only make her try them all voraciously when she gets out on her own. There's been hundreds of thousands of cases of these and they all end the same.

askmrcia 9y ago

@Xenith I understand where you're coming from, but lets be real. How can someone be bad at sex?

Its not a talent at all. Yea the first few times may be rough, but overtime they can get used to it and to eachother.

I think instead of saying bad at sex, we should be worried about the frequency of sex. Like they may have a low libido or something.

But again if you're making that claim that's a little ridiculous too. Here me out, saying someone can potentially be bad at sex before marriage is the same as someone can be bad with money, time management, bad kids (because neither one has never raised a kid before), bad at planning things, ect...

All these things can become issues once someone gets married.

XenithTheCompetent 9y ago

Then I would also like to raise the issue of conflicting kinks. My point is, everyone should try things out before committing to something as serious as marriage.

lemming1607 9y ago

I've seen plenty of relationships of virgins marrying living happily.

XenithTheCompetent 9y ago

Have you really though? Well, it's your life, and your daughter. You do whatever you need to, but understand that you've been warned.

Lyxeka 9y ago

Who said the cake is god-awful? There's more to a bell curve than the extremes.

XenithTheCompetent 9y ago

I'm saying hypotheticals, friend.

Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 9y ago

One daughter here.

If she can't have an awesome cage fighting career, this post outlines the second best route for her.

nebder 9y ago

I have a daughter who's in 4th grade. I separated from her household when she was 2 to be with my ex-wife (the ex that led me to the pill). My daughter has a history of behavioral issues. Big fits and severe emotional breakdowns and irrational fears. I attribute a portion of that behavior to me being a shitty BP man who did not correctly captain the ship and assert myself as a masculine dominant figure.

I have lost 40 lbs so I'm not a tubbo. I stopped drinking every day to avoid reality. I am a masculine dominant ACTION role model now. I do not accept disrespect from her. I set boundaries that are upheld. I'm literally gaming my daughter. Here's the rub: she has improved markedly in this time. There's still ways to go but god damn it's like she's blossoming under the new me.

We've discussed boys. She's already asked a few boys out and got rejected. She'll get her period before too long and then we'll start having some serious discussions. She will be fully versed to understand and/or counteract PUA. I'll teach her that what's she's truly looking for is locking in a solid red pill male. As her father, I owe her the instructions to make her best way through life. We've already started on improving her social skills with a how to win friends book club.

She will be a woman. They have their own biological agenda in life. Humans are rational creatures that can understand their biological drives and work with what it's trying to tell you what to do. I will explain the way the world actually works compared to the bs you're fed to believe. I must eventually set her free to make her own path in life but I can set a framework for her decision making.

TL;DR: Game your daughter in her youth. Prepare her for the real world. It's the best way to love and guide her.

tankriderr 9y ago

How can one be red pill and yet believe in religious shambles is beyond me.

lemming1607 9y ago

they're not exclusive. Red pill uses Islam households as an example all the time

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Red pill, cognitive researches in neurology and my engineering education all strengthened my faith, the world is too structured to be random, even the chaos and entropy has it's own rules also I see the use of psychological phenomena to shape human habits and simple but effective explanations to universes' way of work in Quran verses that was brought 1400 years ago to an illiterate trader. I see the existance of an higher power everywhere and I see timeless wisdom in it's book. Not sorry for bragging but this comes from a guy with 157 iq, almost done with a ME degree, three fluently spoken languages, book count of dozens every year of diverse topics from applicable sciences to philosophy. Yeah I know it sounds like an autistic brag when told that way but I tell those to make you realize we are not goatfuckers who live on a mountain range, the universe is an hierarchy and we submit to top being who created them all while most of the guys in this world get lost searching where they stay and why it matters in this life.

Slut_Slayer9000 9y ago

Its definitely one thing believing in a higher power and its another thing supporting these gigantic religious organizations that are trying to control and make money off people.

aanarchist 9y ago

hope you didn't raise your daughter into a sociopathic whore.

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donedreadpirate 9y ago

I have a daughter... Agree with your sentiments. This person was just hamstering.

ImSecretlyATurtle 9y ago

Realistically, what most people here want their daughters to be is what they want in a woman.

Ultimately the best path to success for a woman would be to use her social advantages. First and foremost her physical appearance is key. As a woman being attractive is critical to success. Second, she should learn to use her looks to manipulate betas. Why would she marry a redpiller or an alpha male? She can't use or control him. We as men want what is beneficial for us. But as a woman she should do what benefits her. Which is using beta men's desperate desire for pussy to obtain a high social status and improve her financial situation.

Your advice is good for what you want. But it's not what will help a woman achieve the maximum level of success. Which for women is defined by their financial situation and social status.

ozaku7 9y ago

Honestly, the only good thing you can do as a parent of a daughter is by teaching them red pill knowledge.

It is so often preached that women cannot be redpill, but redpill is all about self-improvement, awareness of your environment and most of all yourself.

A woman can also go to the fitness, read books, learn to be financially responsible, how to increase her SMV and use it to her benefit, much like us men do. That is, if she chooses to do so. Most/All women will remain the most responsible teenager in the household, and most realize that they are fucked up teenagers and just decide they can't do anything against it. Kind of goes against what I said a few lines above.

Teach your daughter what she needs to know in life, about herself and the opposite sex. Show her how women feel and think according to the male mind, with regards to respect, alpha/beta, her SMV, and so on. Teach her RP. All you can do is give her the tools which she wouldn't have without you, and all you can do is watch whether she uses them. Make her understand herself, and men.

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It is so often preached that women cannot be redpill

If women can be enabled by society to be irresponsible sluts, angry at men, and obsessed over trivial shit, then they can be influenced by their parents to be good wives and mothers.

[deleted] 9y ago

I completely agree, I mean at the end of the day redpill can be summed up into a single question: "what is it that women want/are attracted to that I can implement for myself?"

Men rarely ask themselves this, and for women it's even rarer.

ozaku7 9y ago

If you think about it, women were the first to swallow the redpill. I believe there was a time where women approached the men, until a realization came that men will chase them anyway and they didn't have to put so much effort into it. Offer decreased, demand remained the same and hence betas are controlled by the pussy and women hold their power over betas in what's between their thighs.

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lemming1607 9y ago

oh trust me, she will be fully prepped on red pill and PUA strategies

PrincePound 9y ago

I'd love to hear you expand on how these talks were, exactly.

IckyStickyPoo 9y ago

oh trust me, she will be fully prepped on red pill and PUA strategies

Should all girls be prepped on red pill and PUA strategies?

lemming1607 9y ago

My daughter will be fully knowledgeable of the world she's being thrust into. I will not let her go into anything blindly

DualCamSam 9y ago

Id certainly warn them about premarital sex. I know as soon as i fuck a chick i literally wish she would vanish in a puff of smoke never to be seen again. However, before i fuck her i literally cant stop thinking about her. I feel like it would be different if i was forced to commit to marriage before she let me poke. I would have to work so hard, for so long, and put so much on the line that leaving her probably wouldnt even be an option just because of how much is invested into the relationship. Who knows though.

Cattich 9y ago

A great source is sahih bukhari.

Ive been reading from this thread here and there as it appears on my wall, and you guys sound exactly like arab muslims. In fact, most of what you preach is what islam preaches.

Maybe have the women be muslim, thatll show them how to be real women according to the male mind.

You can downvote, but it wont make you non muslim and non arabs in your ideology. That you sound like them at all doesnt disturb you?

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ozaku7 9y ago

We only sound like arab muslims in very specific aspects. Nowhere we are saying that a girl should cover everything up, not be allowed to be in the same room with another man and not be allowed to drive a vehicle. In my opinion, some islamic countries are overly extreme with controlling their women, and sound more like angry betas that try to control and own women like mules while allowing themselves to have several at the same time.

Cattich 9y ago

No, you sound exactly like liberal arab muslim men. I agree some islamic countries take it to an extreme, but it starts like this. You even agreed that your philosophy is in line with theirs. The problem is, you guys havent seen liberal muslims enough to realize you are in line perfectly.

That you sound like them at all doesnt disturb you?

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bastardstepchild 9y ago

One daughter here, reddit would be happy to shove me into a gas chamber for my anti-liberal red pill views.

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Lyxeka 9y ago

Which beliefs are you talking about? You've said nothing helpful here, only made yourself the gatekeeper for this guy's success in building a relationship with his daughters.

RubyOrchid13 9y ago

How do you figure that marriage is religious? I'm going to assume that you mean Christianity, as you would probably not say that if she choose something like Islam or to be pagan. Anyways, you are aware that the idea of marriage predates Christianity by many thousands of years?

Slut_Slayer9000 9y ago

Ok but lets be honest here, the bible was a book created as a means to control and influence people to be more easily managed. Marriage being a tool within the toolbox that is the bible to help achieve that end goal.

RubyOrchid13 9y ago

Sure, but to say they started marriage is absurd. It predates Christianity by thousands of years. Even ancient Egypt had Kings and queens who were married and ruled together. That's three thousand years before even a mumble of Christianity was ever spoken.

lemming1607 9y ago

well either the bible is true, in which it records the first marriage from Adam and Eve, or it's not.

Either way I don't care

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sabbo_87 9y ago

after adam and eve had kids, did their kids bone each other?

Itshighnoon777 9y ago

No because the whole adam and eve thing most likely never happened

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lemming1607 9y ago

I can schedule an appointment with a bishop if you'd like to ask him these hard hitting truth seeking questions

sabbo_87 9y ago

id like to hear what he'd say

RubyOrchid13 9y ago

Yes you do. Haven't we done this before? Anyways, why would you base your life and live off of the virtues of something you don't care about? That seems odd. Unless you are presenting what would basically be Pascal's Wager. Which, Voltaire basically ripped to shreds some three hundred years ago. You're really going to sit there and say that it doesn't matter to you, but you still will make conscious decisions based on it? As you said, either god exists, or doesn't. I just see no evidence to believe such claims.

lemming1607 9y ago

I don't care how old the world is. I don't care if evolution is true. I don't care if the bible details exactly what happened a few thousand years ago.

The only thing I know and can even possibly know is what I feel. It's what guides me in everything I do in life, in determining what I'm going to do and what drives me.

I cannot explain to you what I feel, and I know enough people that give a general description of what it feels like that I can at least know that I am not alone in it.

Religion is deeply personal, and there's nothing you can read or hear about that will change your mind. The only thing I can do is live my life and hope you feel it too someday.

It changes nothing in the present to debate what happened thousands of years ago

max_peenor 9y ago

The only thing I know and can even possibly know is what I feel.

Did someone seriously just say that on TRP?

I assure you, no one gives a fuck what you feel.

RubyOrchid13 9y ago

So, you're going with the, God works in mysterious ways argument? Anyways, I think religion is about the least red pill, beta thing a person can subscribe to. You aren't seeing the world as it really is. You are placing faith, and hoping that it is a certain way, when all evidence points to the contrary. The Christian god demands submission, and that is something I just can't find myself to do. I was raised without religion. When that happens, your god ends up looking just as silly and unfounded as Scientology, or insert whatever else religion. Basically, the reason you dismiss all the other gods, is the same as me. I just go one further. I don't understand how you can say, of all the tens of thousands of different gods, I picked the right one, and will base my life accordingly. You are willfully stopping all of your philosophical ability to reason on these matters, on the off chance you picked the right god, that you just so happened to be raised with. If you were Indian, you would be telling me that Ganesh is the true God, and that I would just have to experience it to know. To reiterate, religion is not seeing the world as it really is. It is seeing the world through rose tinted glasses, based on the hope and faith that you picked the right god. Childish level of philosophical deduction of what is actually going on. Religion is the opium of the masses. That quote stuck because it is true. Religion is a tool the elite class uses to control the masses. Behave or else! It's nothing new, and saddens me when otherwise reasonable minded individuals go down that dead end path.

The reason you say you don't care about things like how old the earth is, which we know for a fact is about four and a half billion years, is because you already have the answer. Magic, God did it. Again, what an intellectual, and philosophical cop out...

lemming1607 9y ago

explain to me what it changes about the present knowing how old the earth is? How does this knowledge change my job, my getting a house, getting influence and money, gaining power, and having the most agency in my life?

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RubyOrchid13 9y ago

Because knowledge is power, and you are using religion to be willfully ignorant. This is like a kid sitting in algebra saying it is pointless to learn, because they will never use it. Correct, flipping burgers doesn't take much understanding of those concepts. However, if you want to say, be an engineer and build a safe bridge, you might want to know the math. The age of the earth is important, because it backs up other complex theories about the world around us.

lemming1607 9y ago

It's not about being willfully ignorant, it's about understanding something that science can't explain. You can't prove there is no god, and proving he doesn't exist doesn't change science or anything about it. I can't prove to you there is a god, and I don't care.

Knowledge of human behavior is much, much more important to achieve power than understanding how old the earth is, and that is what I focus on.

Redpill is not about the science of the earth, but of biological and society influences on men and women, and how to use those to your advantage.

RubyOrchid13 9y ago

I don't have to prove god, and that alone shows me you don't even have a slight grasp on logical deduction. The person who makes the claim, has the burden of proof. Not the person saying it isn't true. For instance, if I say there are magical unicorns on the dark side of the moon that are invisible to humans, prove me wrong or I'm right, I've created a massive logical fallacy. That is exactly what you are doing now, and only shows how little you have thought this through.

Again, you do care, or we wouldn't be talking about it. You're right that trp uses biology to come to these conclusions. So, knowing the biological expalnation works and explains behavior, is the same biology used to make other deductions. Why would it be right about all this, based on things like evolutionary psychology. But wrong about evolution as a whole, and explain where we came from and evolved as humans. Which is easily proven with fossil records and DNA testing. You are making this a one issue argument, and it isn't. If people weren't curious about all that stuff, like how old the earth is, where humans come from, how the universe got started, etc. We wouldn't have most of the technology we have today. In order to tell how old the earth is, many, many experiments were done that gave us other knowledge we weren't even expecting. Such as, radio isotopic decay. Basically, we learned a ton about radiation on the way of trying to answer the question, which led to real world discoveries in medicine and technology.

Stop saying it doesn't matter to you when it clearly does. You have part of your identity invested into this idea of God. To you, saying and admitting God most likely isn't real, would cause you to have to rethink pretty much all past and present decisions you have made, based on this thing you claim to not care about... It's ignorance, just admit it. I hope you can open your mind a little and at least examine the other side without confirmation bias. I think you would learn a lot.

RubyOrchid13 9y ago

That doesn't answer the question, it is just a bunch of empty platitudes. Why, when you admit that you don't know or care, base decisions around that one particular God? It just seems silly and immature to me. Almost like you haven't really thought it through. Those questions are what drive us as a species by creating curiosity.

SexistFlyingPig 9y ago

That phrase is based in the belief that red pillers are woman haters. I would say it's the exact opposite. It's about understanding women.

My GF is vastly happier than my ex-wife ever was. When my ex would cry about something, I'd try to commiserate with her and understand her and empathize and sympathize and try to make everything better. She'd be miserable for days, and so would I, then I'd fail and she'd think less of me for it.

My GF cries about something. I listen, I tell her I understand, I might offer a different viewpoint (but not a solution), and then I let her cry. 30 minutes later, she's as happy as can be.

Hmm, I wonder which method was better.

lemming1607 9y ago

I agree with you. I don't think redpill is about hating women. But that's what alot of the general population says and makes other people think about red pill.

Sir_Distic 9y ago

That was something that blew my mind when I learned it, long before TRP. Women don't want you to solve their problems. They just want you to listen.

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And they get mad when you try to solve them, because for them that is somehow belittling or something! Even if you have a perfect solution, they don't want to hear it, they'd rather just hear "here here, I understand, that sounds rough."

100% improvement in female interactions after I figured that out.

Auvergnat 9y ago

This is it.

There is no inherent woman-hating in red pill theory, only an evidence-based belief that sexes are different and complementary and a field-tested understanding of their different sexual strategies.

Now we certainly do have a significant amount of women-bashing here, but this is more due to our strong stance on real-talk rather than the contents of the theory. And the proof is that we bash male betas and omegas just as much.

Now, mainstream thinking is PC and based on an equalitarian dogma, so of course both red pill theory and our real-talk is offensive and must be opposed. And the most effective way to do this is through spreading lies and shaming tactics. And in our case, the target of choice is our woman-bashing. So the fact that red pill theory is evidence-based will be ignored. The fact that we have redpill theory saves relationships (see the thankTRP sub) will be ignored. The fact that it makes men happy will be ignored. The fact that women also read TRP and benefit from it will be ignored. The fact that we bash men as much as we bash women will be ignored. Red pill is to be only women-hate, ergo evil. End of discussion.

In that context, there is no debate possible (bare the PPD subreddit). The mainstream uninformed opinion is that TRPers are just a bunch of sexless losers who hate on women. And it will remain that way. There is no amount of proofs of either personal sexual success, general happiness, or healthy relationships that will convince TRP-haters as long as they cling to their uninformed view of what red pill is about.

So yeah, a guy says TRP is disproved because daughters? Ignore him. He has no idea what he's talking about. He just thinks "woman-hating".

So nevermind them. Who cares what they think. You're happy. Your girls are happy. People who read you are happy. That's all that counts.

askmrcia 9y ago

The fact that we bash men as much as we bash women will be ignored

Seriosuly. Its like people that bash this sub don't even realize we get on men a lot. In fact I can say we almost get on men more.

In almost every post where someone says something about their ex, majority of the comments will say "yea she crazy, but you were being a blue pill bitch or something."

rp_newdawn 9y ago

One browse through askTRP shows that this sub is vastly more critical of men than women. Brutal honesty exposes opportunities for growth. Anger phase is understandable, but ideally temporary.

Traz_Onmale 9y ago

There is no inherent woman-hating in red pill theory, only an evidence-based belief that sexes are different and complementary and a field-tested understanding of their different sexual strategies.

What I would find difficult to reconcile with raising and loving daughters, is the notion that women are only out to take advantage of men and are incapable of real love for their partners, like men are. Are you going to teach them differently, even though AWALT?

Auvergnat 9y ago

Women are only out for themselves. Just like men are. And to achieve this, women sometimes take advantage of men with charm and other manipulation tactics, just like men take advantage of other men with strength or wit. When a female student "takes advantage" of a beta classmate who does her homework in the hope to get in her pants when she never hinted at that being a possibility, I don't blame her. I just pity him and blame his upbringing that made him so clueless about women.

And as for women being "incapable of love like men are", I don't see it as a flaw but two different kinds of love. Nobody said men's love ought to be the only one true type of love. And women's opportunistic style of love can still be incredibly full if you are her top alpha.

But in any case, I don't think you can teach a daughter not to be a woman. You can try teaching a cat to bark and fetch a ball, but you have very low chances of success. Let women be women.

TangoZulu 9y ago

Re: love. Absolutely agree. The big problem is that society, and women, teach men that their love (true love) is without condition, then men a blindsided when their woman flips the switch and moves on without remorse. That was the big eye opener for me, and TRP was the only place explaining the truth. It's why there is always an anger phase and the false perception that TRP hates women outright.

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U/rollo-tomassi does, she just moved out

vwzwv 9y ago

You are saying the daughter just moved out, not the wife, correct?

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yes, empty nesters, kid went to college

lemming1607 9y ago

hope that ends well for both of them

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Scandinavianredpill 9y ago

Is Rollo Tomassi getting a divorce?. That should awake some men here thinking they can play around with women in the long term. you simply cannot. they got all the power and the need for drama and attention. I like improving yourself, I like fucking women, but alot of guys here are too purple pill and still think they can game the system by frame etc. etc. newsflash you CANT. not for the long term, and when it falls apart you will get raped, despite prenups etc.

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PaperStreetVilla 9y ago

Don't be dumb. If you had read the sidebar, he outlines this on his site, rationalmale.com

lurk more, post less

Auvergnat 9y ago

I think he meant his daughter just moved out

UHM-7 9y ago

You got a source on that or are you just trying to spread rumours?

re4d3 9y ago

I have two daughters myself. The older one is 14. It is funny, how I can observe everything what is said here. 90% of woman thinking and action is aimed to get a man. Nice clothes, some cosmetics, long hair, gossips with girl friends, nice pictures. I say "in your age, I was building models of tanks, blowing up home-made explosives, floating down the river on a wooden log and doing whatever dangerous stuff we could invent." She just stares blankly "oh that's weird/boring". I am much into sport, and she started alongside with me as well like exercise and running. My wife says to her "just study not to be dumb in life" (she is excellent performer at school btw) but I laugh and say, she realizes that investment into the shape of her ass is going to pay much higher dividends than good marks from geography. Greetings to all fathers with chicks.

NikoMyshkin 9y ago

I've looked at studies on what makes a happy relationship, and the highest success rates are usually religious, move into a new house together, didn't live together before hand, waited until after marriage for their first sexual experience, and are absolutely committed to each other.

I've heard people cite the opposite as being true - I'd appreciate sources on these so as to be able to defend them.

sadomasochrist 9y ago

This would be generally backed up by the n-count studies. Basically each partner makes a future marriage more and more likely to fail.

NikoMyshkin 9y ago

these sources are quite hard to find tho. at least the primary ones. i'd appreciate links.

lemming1607 9y ago

It's anecdotal. Everyone I know celebrating their 50th gold anniversary did the whole virgin marriage thing. Everyone I know that waits 3-4 years before getting married and lives together before hand has high divorce rates

NikoMyshkin 9y ago

My bad. It's just that you said studies.

LarsAvatar 9y ago

I have two daughters myself, ages 14 and 11. I don't agree with the OP that a 1950's type lifestyle is best for my daughters -- nor is it very realistic in current culture. Should she follow the 1950's path, it's highly likely it will be a boring, sexless marriage after about 10 years. And there's a high risk she could become too dependent on him -- then she's left in a tough spot if there's a divorce. Lifetime monogamous marriage is over -- we need to accept that and try to find alternatives that can work. I admire Blackdragon for doing a lot of trailblazing in this area.

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Depends on the people, depends on the country. For my country, yes divorce rates is amazing but, we're still in lifetime monogamous marriage.

lemming1607 9y ago

I agree with you, and that's why there is the red pill. It is the counter culture to the counter culture of destroying monogamous marriage.

Red pill is the acceptance that that fantasy is done.

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As far as I'm concerned, marriage is a completely religious thing, and if you aren't religious, you really shouldn't be getting married.

Marriage was historically a political arrangement to secure alliances between tribes, and the women themselves sold as property by their fathers. Many emperors of old had harems or multiple wives, polygamist marriages have existed forever in many societies throughout history. Don't kid yourself into believing monogamist marriage is some religious construct that first appears in the bible.

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Marriage as a political tool concerned that tiny percentage of families that was involved with politics. Polygamy was likewise possible only for the very richest. The vast majority of people married for life in rather simple arrangements.

max_peenor 9y ago

a political tool

Wrong politics. The ruling classes promoted marriage among the masses as a way to encourage social stability and production of a growing labor and warrior pool. This is why hedonism is widely associated with the decline of states, not the rise.

shanivore 9y ago

Hmm maybe we'll put my brother

lemming1607 9y ago

If I believe in the bible, why wouldn't I believe it's true and that it records the first marriage with adam and eve?

It's either true or it isn't, and if it is, then it starts with the first marriage.

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Sir_Distic 9y ago

What makes you think Adam and Eve were married?

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Adam and Eve, in TRP. I bet Eve was history's first branch swinger. If Adam and Eve were the first man and woman on Earth, who conducted the wedding ceremony?

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[deleted] 9y ago

Well, I guess if you believe humanity descended from one couple and somehow managed to magically avoid all the evolutionary issues associated with inbreeding, we're probably never going to see eye to eye on this one.

Personally, I'm not one to follow the mad ravings of Middle Eastern goat herders that were eventually compiled into a book thousands of years later for the purposes of consolidating political power, leading to the creation of the Holy Roman Empire.

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lemming1607 9y ago

I can understand that.

I'm not the one to go through life with a nihilistic viewpoint that literally nothing matters and there's no consequences for anything.

Either way we're gonna hit the gym and do our thing though

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analyticaltoafault 9y ago

Living in selfish nihilism is not the opposite to not following a belief system that is hard to believe with the discoveries man has made.

Though in the universe's eyes morals and such do not matter, people do. We all (save those with injuries/maladaptions/disorders/etc.) experience pain, suffering, joy, regret, hope, all the emotions humanity can know, and as far as interacting with humans goes, it's perfectly fine to trust our observations in science and realize that the chemical reactions that guide our emotions, biases, moral structures, political beliefs, etc. are important in being mindful of as not only a human, but for your fellow humans.

lemming1607 9y ago

except science agrees that belief is one of the more powerful forces in the universe...see the placebo effect. There's no rational explanation for it other than that belief can create reality.

It really isn't hard to believe. Its way harder for me to believe it all just happened for no reason

aDrunkenWhaler 9y ago

belief can create reality.

Yes, and we have a special place for those people, with plenty of pills, restraining jackets and high fences.

I-Am-Dickish 9y ago

People like you are the reason I claim to be agnostic rather than atheist. If I could believe in a religion, I would. So much simpler that way.

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LoneStarG84 9y ago

"Agnostics and Atheists believe basically the same thing, but Atheists are complete assholes about it."

I-Am-Dickish 9y ago

That about sums it up. There's so much you get from a religion; community, motivation, "there in a better place" type shit, a moral standard (for you and your kids), etc...

So why would you take that from someone because you believe they're wrong?

Though technically, agnostics believe they're is a higher power. They just don't think it's a god from the other religions.

I personally claim the higher power is the innate desire to benefit the world in people. Chicks eat that shit up.

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analyticaltoafault 9y ago

I would take some correlative observations of personality types derived from certain chemical reactions in the brain and body (originating both/either biologically and environmentally), as I see certain types (orderly, virtuous, conservative, etc.) of people mostly populating these areas of interest, which also have well recorded high correlation to being the types of people to be rigid in their beliefs.

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analyticaltoafault 9y ago

Sorry typed as my thinking instead of after having thought.

I mean to first point out that personality can be argued to be crafted largely from how our bodies/brains process a variety of chemicals, which arise naturally or due to environmental stress/rewards.

Repeating them over time shapes our perceptions as they will be negative or positive in effect and affect one's self. Having a strong effect early on can set the stage as well.

This is all pretty much common knowledge that habit creates character, trauma can shape a person, etc., but connecting these actions and behaviors to dopamine/serotonin/cortisol/etc. allows us to see that there are very very strong correlations and at times definite causation to certain personality types or behaviors due to expected chemical responses essentially, which also connects correlative behaviors/beliefs to personality traits.

So, essentially we can see that certain types of people that statistically often exhibit certain types of views/behaviors due to their neurochemical history, are going to be the types of people that often find themselves in a place like this.

WiiWynn 9y ago

WTF are you so mad about. Get over your enlightenment. Dude has a belief. He isn't in your face trying to convert you. You're the one in his face trying to convert him. Let me guess, mommy forced you to be an alter boy growing up? Oh the LIES! Get over it. Nobody cares.

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Feels over reals, must be nice.

I'm not trying to convert anyone, you're free to do as you wish and believe whatever you want.

My point is that marriage existed as a social and political construct long before it was a religious construct. Thats the fact of the matter, your choice whether or not to recognize reality.

WiiWynn 9y ago

Whatever man. I don't have to make myself feel big by kicking folks who just have a different worldview. Your need to make yourself feel bigger because the world hasn't been fair to you is permeating thru your rant.

And who said anything about me being religious. Trying to make yourself feel bigger still. It's okay. I get it. You've reached a higher level of consciousness. You and every 20 somethings on here bitter about not getting laid.

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analyticaltoafault 9y ago

Jesus man. Not at all trying to instigate more needless arguments and debate specific points of yours but you should really take a step back real quick and try to review this line of thinking/outward direction of your emotions. Please earnestly give it a shot so you can learn and so that no one here feels the need to outline your mistakes.

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analyticaltoafault 9y ago

You're right. Rereading my post, I see my initial statement is not the "man I wish you were doing better" statement I intended. I hope he gets into a better place though.

woodie_wood 9y ago

Have a 3 y.o. daughter. Swallowed the pill 4years ago.

Asmodeus04 9y ago

There is irony in the fact that you are raising a daughter that the members of this very sub would despise.

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maniclurker 9y ago

AWALT. Want what you want. It doesn't matter.

makeyourpoint 9y ago

hate to break it to you but marriage isnt actually religious. Americans tend to keep the two together out of cultural reasons but in most countries marriage is quite secular. so your stance on marriage being reserved for religious people doesn't make much sense

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tankriderr 9y ago

its origins are religious

its origins are political, starting from tribes of the old to empires and kingdoms that gained power by giving away their kids in marriage. religion itself, atleast desert religions like islam and christianity are political in nature from the beginning.

lemming1607 9y ago

I disagree. Marriage has been around since the beginning of the bible, and if you agree with the bible then obviously marriage was birthed with the beginning of religion.

If you don't believe in the bible then you can just believe whatever you want, doesn't change anything about the present

makeyourpoint 9y ago

its not about belief in the bible or any other religion/holy book. marriage predates even the old testament. the abrahamic religions may have introduced the concept to their region of the world but it already existed elsewhere

lemming1607 9y ago

dude I understand what you're saying, but if you believe in the bible, then the first men in the world was from the beginning of the bible. You can't believe in the bible and believe men were created elsewhere as well

Mckallidon 9y ago

Lol. Funny most of friends are still trying for a boy.

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Subalpine 9y ago

saving herself for marriage? is that what you did? I think it's weird to expect kids to do that in this day and age. it seems more practical to teach them how to practice safe sex?

lemming1607 9y ago

no I didn't, and it was a mistake. I don't want my daughter to make the same mistakes as me

Subalpine 9y ago

Don't be too hard on her if she makes the same mistakes you did is all I'm saying.

lemming1607 9y ago

she will always have my support. I can't fault her for joining society. I did it, and I hope she doesn't, and I hope she finds happiness. But I'll never close my door to her

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The latest episode of Beige Phillip show talks about this. These days people treat their daughters like they're special just because they're girls and these girls grow up to be women who think that they're special because they've got pussy and pussy is the end all for men.

Blue pill men will do anything for a woman just to have the woman be around them. I can't count how many times I've heard faggot friends say "I can't come bro, I got plans with my girl". The woman just has to be there and once she leaves the blue piller's life turns upside down.

Teach your daughter at a young that she needs more than her vagina in order to get a real man once she grows up because if a women is giving me nothing more than pussy then the only thing she gets in return is some good dicking and nothing more.

A lot of men have raised sluts and my dick thanks them for that but as a red piller you better do what's right.

VigilantRedRooster 9y ago

I've never met a Redpiller with a daughter

I'm "a Redpiller" under a different username, old enough to have nieces and stepdaughters in their 20s. I also worked as an assistant mod for RedPillWomen when the old team flounced, because I consider the advice worthy of women as important as my own relatives.

I don't want my daughter to be apart of PUA culture or slut culture or any of that. I'd personally rather her build an empire for herself if she doesn't want to save herself for marriage. But if she does participate, the only chance she has to finding happiness is to find a red piller that is building a life and business and lock him down with marriage, and failing that finding a blue piller that is willing to give her his fortune.

I think you don't yet fully understand the Red Pill praxeology, especially how women implement it in a complementary manner to men. What you described were two very blue-pill alternatives: Be a Feminist, or marry a Beta Bux.

Women are the gatekeepers of sex, Men are the gatekeepers of commitment. That is the basic Sexual Marketplace transaction. Men and women both benefit from Red Pill understanding of the SMP, though they each implement it differently. It's easy to consider TRP some kind of threat to one's own daughters if this isn't thoroughly understood and taken into account.

lemming1607 9y ago

no, I said the best path for a woman is keeping her virginity and mate bonding for one man who is also doing the same. That's absolutely the best strategy for a woman.

Failing that, finding a red pill man that is willing to commit for a high quality woman is the next path. Failing that, her best chance would be a beta bux.

Hooking up with red pill man that don't want to commit isn't going to find any woman happiness. That just feeds happiness to men.

VigilantRedRooster 9y ago

OK thank you for clarifying.

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VigilantRedRooster 9y ago

Was there some kind of shake up within the sub recently?

There was, but not recently, more like a year ago now. The sub has been doing just fine since. You're a smart man to lurk but not post there.

Aarxnw 9y ago

This is one of the most cancerous comment sections I've ever seen, a lot of you really should not be giving advice about raising children, despite what you may think I'm quite sure he's capable of raising his own daughters, and I'm certain he knows way more about it than you.

RedMoonAscendant 9y ago

TRP works on all women, because all women are like that.

ALL women.

Daughter age 8. Daughter age 14. Stripper. Prostitute. Mother. Grandmother. Cousin. Sister. Wife. Girlfriend.

TRP works on all women, because ALL women are like that.

wheresMYsteakAt 9y ago

TL:DR add 1.5 year old

Sheeeit. My 1.5year old daughter has started her shit tests. The mother failed the first one (teddy bear from highchair drop) - a week later the test has upgraded. Only problem was......mommy wasn't around and daddy fucking loves shit ttests. Inside of a restaurant eating and she turns to me I look over at her and as soon as I see her eyes my heart warms up hoping and praying she doesn't back out. She drops the fork on the ground. I look down with no expression on my face then shrug my shoulders and dump her plate into mine and just start eating it while ignoring the baby. She cried for very short bleeps (I yank her out if she is crying for more then lets say 5-10 seconds) so I kept eating. When I was done I pay the tab, get her out of the booster seat and we listen to the pirate song in the car and sing it together. Dropping your fork doesn't make daddy mad, it makes daddy eat your food and somehow he can't hear you until all the food is gone. Maybe he thinks that means I'm done eating.....well either way im gonna save that shit for mommy.

As far as being too nice, if I hug her to much she will avoid me . If I come into her moms house and ignore her she charges over and demands to be picked up. Sometimes she wont want to be put down until she falls alseep.

She has a comfort test that she uses sparingly. A fake "cough" after sipping something to get a pat on the back.

RedMoonAscendant 9y ago

Interesting. My daughter didn't start shit-testing me until she was 3 or 4 years old. Maybe my daughter was stunted. You've got a little genius on your hands.

lemming1607 9y ago

that's not the purpose of AWALT. All women have the capability to be like that, and we treat them as AWALT until proven otherwise to protect ourselves. Read the side bar

RedMoonAscendant 9y ago

You're confused. I've read the sidebar. That is the purpose of AWALT.

Pastelitomaracucho 9y ago

Main reason being redpillers are mostly young men who won't settle.

Not hard to explain, really.

lemming1607 9y ago

I don't blame them. I'm not settling either. I'm in my 30's and there's no way my community would accept me marrying some 18 year old virgin. I personally don't give a shit, but that's not the reality we live in.

I'm gonna be having threesomes in the retirement home well into my 90's

loknarash 9y ago

The Red Pill is a reaction to multiculturalism, cultural Marxism, and the effeminization of men that led to feminism. It can be about getting your dick wet. But it also is a stand against social degeneracy and making the nuclear family strong again.

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ARUKET 9y ago

Try telling that latter bit to all the dudes on this sub who are still screeching about avoiding marriage and even LTRs at all costs. I used to feel that way when I first learned about TRP but I grew up, feels like most here have not yet.

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loknarash 9y ago

Marriage is fucked in the US, but a lot of people make it work (well, a lot of nonblacks). Moreover, MGTOW are degenerate scum that ride the wave of filth rather than fight against it. I refuse to call them red pilled, as they are still victims of women.

funinsun10 9y ago

Ditto.. Two daughters and im mostly red pill so nobody will take their inheritance

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thebluepool 9y ago

How old were you and your wife when you met?

throwawaydefriended 9y ago

As for my daughter, I want what's best for them. Going to bars and clubs and being a slut is not what's best for her. Saving herself for marriage and building a relationship and future with another man (or woman, don't care) that has also saved themselves for her is the best possible outcome for a relationship.

Do you want her to be happy? I think you're overlooking the fact that a "man who saved themselves for her" might not be someone she'd be attracted to, and she'd be miserable.

As far as I'm concerned, marriage is a completely religious thing, and if you aren't religious, you really shouldn't be getting married.

Is your daughter religious though? If not, why should she not enjoy practicing sexual strategy? Or is there a difference between that and being a slut.

alphabeta49 9y ago

"man who saved themselves for her"

The fuck did you get that? Uncomfortable truth: men's sexual strategy and women's sexual strategy are different. Experienced men are more attractive, inexperienced women are more attractive. She can save herself for marriage and marry a great RP man who sees her self improvement, such as it can be.

lemming1607 9y ago

she's 7, she'll make those decisions for herself.

I would hope she doesn't marry someone she's not attracted to. That would be dumb as hell.

max_peenor 9y ago

He might have a dreamy wallet though.

throwawaydefriended 9y ago

Okay. But how about the other question - why would you have a problem with her practicing sexual strategy?

I mean sure, you could raise her to have better standards and stay away from the types of guys who would get her in trouble even if she is physically attracted to them. And to not deceive or hurt anyone.

But yeah how does one practice female sexual strategy without being a slut? Is that possible in your eyes?

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good_guy_submitter 9y ago

Female sexual strategy involves extracting maximum resources from men for the minimal amount of sex. Followed by finding the best quality sperm to reproduce with.

None of that involves slutting around. Slutting around is a trap created by feminism in an effort to destroy quality women by removing all personal responsibility from women.

lemming1607 9y ago

I don't think women practicing sexual strategy in our culture is going to end well for them. I would support her if she does, but I would hope she goes an alternative route

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thatwaseasy247 9y ago

This is ass backwards for everything I've read on here. From what I've read redpill see no value in women except a hole to stick their dick. So how can you encourage your daughters to lock someone down when you think that is wrong? You'd essentially encourage their SO to cheat on them because thats the alpha way. You people are confused about what you want in life.

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EminemLovesGrapes 9y ago

Redpill is nothing more than a theory on how women act/think and evidence based on that, from a male perspective. It's a set of tools

If his daughter is taught about this process, she can manipulate it and turn it into her favour.

You have to realise that people are on here for different goals and have different views. Some people use these tools for evil, some for good.

If you feel that way you haven't been on here enough. Or it's confirmation bias.

thatwaseasy247 9y ago

To be fair, I just discovered this yesterday. So I'll do more research to understand why men find this useful.

lemming1607 9y ago

no, redpill is about getting value and agency out of our society as it is, not how we fantasize about it.

I don't think women locking down men is wrong. I think a high quality woman would be great. The problem is that society is basically creating slaves of men.

thatwaseasy247 9y ago

Well I don't want my husband to be a slave to me. I want to work equally together, be faithful to each other and just be friends. What is the red pill definition of a high quality women other than attractiveness?

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What is the red pill definition of a high quality women other than attractiveness?

Loyalty, kindness, submissiveness (as in letting her husband lead, rather than the kink).

lemming1607 9y ago

willpower, self control, intelligence, hobbies other than netflix and chill, not going to bars and clubs, constant self-improvement, exercise, ambitions

That's what I would value anyways

lemming1607 9y ago

actually now that I think about it, it really depends on the person.

I wouldn't say I'm the average redpiller. I'm a little older and I'm way past the anger stage. I don't really care about going to bars and clubs and picking up women, I run into enough women just going about my daily life to keep my plate full.

My focus is on my career and owning my own business and building that. So I would be looking for someone compatible with that. I just don't meet anyone that is ever into that, because of how our culture and society have structured what normal is.

But if a redpiller was willing to commit, and I wouldn't hold my breath, I would say the things I said earlier is what they'd be looking for...also a low partner count is essential, because of how easy it is to form a strong connection with them if they have a low partner count. This goes for men too, even if this sub won't admit it.

good_guy_submitter 9y ago

a man (or woman, don't care)

Hopefully you do care. Unlike gay men, there is no such thing as a homosexual woman. Women are at most, bisexual. And in lesbian marriages her chance for divorce is astronomical.

If you do a great job raising your daughters you won't have to worry about it anyway though. They won't ever claim to be lesbians. That is a lie only bluepill women tell themselves.

There are a lot of other misconceptions in your post that need to be corrected but this was the one I wanted to talk about. The other commenters seem to be on to the rest.

Welcome to the fold fellow dad. I too have a daughter.

Edit: saving this comment. The cucks downvoting from other subreddits make it so much better.

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lemming1607 9y ago

I disagree, I think its possible for a woman to not find men attractive. It's what breeds the idea from lesbians that all women attracted to men is just patriartic oppression.

I really have no idea why you would think it's impossible

ichivictus 9y ago

Dude no. It's possible for a woman to be gay and never find a man attractive. One of my best friends I had as a roommate for 7 years never dated or fucked a guy the entire time. She had 0 interest.

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Sir_Distic 9y ago

So anyone who downvotes you is a cuck? Ok.

Also I've had lesbian roommates. Girls who have never dated a guy, would never date a guy and have never desired dick. I knew one who didn't even allow her gf to use a dildo or similar device because it resembled a penis. Both confirmed this to me. I lived with them for more than a year. Meeting dozens of lesbians, gay guys, drag queens, transgendered people etc.

I strongly disagree with you.

good_guy_submitter 9y ago

So you probably believe people are born gay too right? They have no choice in the matter?

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You're woefully uneducated and I'm sorry for you. Lesbians have and always will be around, you need to learn to accept that.

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Goddamn, someone buy this guy an escort to get laid.

[deleted] 9y ago

Woah dude. You gotta chill tf out and accept nature for what it is and live in accordance with it. Meditate lift and go monk for some time. Im sensing youre in anger phase

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ichivictus 9y ago

she wants to walk with you? Probably wants to get social proof. She's chatting with you during class? Probably wants to use you for notes later down the line. Acts happy when they see you? Their attempt to build trust.

So you think women have an ulterior motive against men at every turn? That's naive. Females are first and foremost people. The red pill isn't for hating or bashing them. Yes, women do stupid things and do have their own privilege they often use for an ulterior motive. But they do like to make friends, spend time with family, and further their goals like any other human being. They aren't creatures to spy on every move you make till they see you are in a vulnerable state. They aren't evil Russian spies mate.

And beyond that, why would I ever let a woman kiss my children with the same mouths that have taken so much dick?

Does it also disgust you that your mom kissed you on the cheek growing up if you found out she had a high n-count?

RubyOrchid13 9y ago

To the sidebar with you. You clearly missed every point there.

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Sir_Distic 9y ago

So don't.

The Red Pill teaches you to do things for yourself not anyone else.

RubyOrchid13 9y ago

To continue the species. That's why you need them. Without, we would go extinct, literally. You can't say not to do anything with them because they will destroy everything, when without them, you destroy the species. It is illogical.

Downvotes without replies, when I directly answered the question of why... Stay classy Reddit. Also, fuck you mgtow pussies. You really are just fat, jealous, pathetic losers. Please mgtow does is create more abundance for me. So, thanks.

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good_guy_submitter 9y ago

Once you understand solipsism, you can't hate women. They are how they are and it's not their fault. And in all that they do which seems to be to destroy us, it drives us to innovate. It drives us to compete. It propels us forward. (Albeit haphazardly like a drunken driver on New Year's Eve). And when we are born, the soft hold between a mother's bosom is heaven on Earth.

You grow up expecting a woman to be comforting and caring like your mother was to you. But that doesn't happen. It's your expectations that are wrong, not women. They are just being how they are. Do you curse and hate the sun because it's hot? Nonsense, the sun gives us life and makes everything we know possible.

_MysticFox 9y ago

First, I'd like to preface this with a thanks for responding with some substance.

They are how they are and it's not their fault.

I don't see why we would pursue them then if they can be so destructive? It drives us to do all of these things but at what point to we begin to do things for ourselves rather than working out, making money, and becoming interesting/getting hobbies for the sake of becoming more attractive? Every single thing I've done so far is to increase my SMV and its driven me mad.

nd when we are born, the soft hold between a mother's bosom is heaven on Earth. You grow up expecting a woman to be comforting and caring like your mother was to you.

Unfortunately my mother was also a fucking leech (noted this in the post), which is why you're right and I'm probably subconsciously looking for this altruism and I'm left with a hole. I'm fucked for life?

Do you curse and hate the sun because it's hot? Nonsense, the sun gives us life and makes everything we know possible.

So basically, chicks are only good for children, and fuck it just rub one out otherwise?

jm51 9y ago

I'm fucked for life?

That's up to you. [Long post, just in case it helps.]

My head used to be almost exactly where yours is now. I blamed my parents for all the shit in my life. Excuses 'R Us.

Then it dawned on me that their childhood was way worse than mine. Dad, aged 6, was farmed out to another family and his parents took in a neighbours 5yo. It was 2 years into The Great Depression and they got more benefits looking after someone elses kid than their own. (A scam involving many poor families.) It must have destroyed my dad. Explains why he was always looking for validation as an adult. He'd dress to the nines to go drinking in the dingiest bars. Didn't matter how small the pond was, as long as he was by far the biggest fish.

I know similar childhood shit fests for ma and my grandparents. By all accounts, my maternal grandmother was a nasty piece of work. She got married age 12 to a coalman. Paternal grandfather ran away from home aged 10 and never went back.

Almost every one of the people that gave us some of their dna had a scarred childhood. How far back do we place the blame? Do we blame God? Must be His fault, He made us like this.

The part that is up to you is forgiveness. Can't make somebody else forgive, it has to come from within.

Once I started to forgive my parents, it also dawned on me that if they deserved some blame for my failings, then they also deserved some credit for my successes.

You've been hitting the gym and doing other hard stuff even though it's doing your head in. Where did that discipline come from? Plenty of guys your age that know they should be doing what you are doing but they lazy out and fire up the games console instead. In that respect, your parents did a better job on you than their parents did on them. Give them a little credit for that.

good_guy_submitter 9y ago

Your question about SMV and going mad.

My response is this:

Pussy is like alcohol. It's a nice treat after the real work in life is done. But if you live for it, it will destroy you.

Just do shit you like and get good at it. There will be women impressed by it. There are too many women for there not to be. Granted, videos games and shit like that have a much smaller pool of female fans than other things

Life is more or less a big mating game. Beyond that is philosophy. Read philosophy books if you truly want to find a higher meaning. Otherwise, just chase pussy and procreate because there isn't much purpose in anything else. I've found a higher meaning though, and it isn't religious. It was through philosophy.

good_guy_submitter 9y ago

Yes and no.

Women are definitely capable humans. They can handle advanced tasks as well as any male. They can be trained to shoot, build, engineer, math, etc... As a partner you can defer a lot of things to a woman and she should be capable of handling them. Granted women are not known for innovation, if you set up a system they can follow it. Most women are smarter than the average male. There are also fewer female geniuses, however also fewer female morons (low IQ).

A woman can be a valuable asset to you for the above alone.

Now getting into the sex/romance side. Women make great companions. Women are easier to convince to follow you. Women are more pliable. They will mold into you. They become your reflection. Male friends don't do that. Not even a dog does that.

Women make better mothers than men do. Not parents, just the mother part. Kids need both a mom and a dad. It's unfortunate you did not experience that. Most mothers will die for their kids however. I feel, your story while still not the majority, is recently more common than it should be. And feminism is to blame.

Yeah women have pussies and feminine bodies that we want to fuck in all sorts of ways, but they are useful for a lot more. I would know, I spend at least 50% of my time with one. And while I have sex with her a lot, I wouldn't put up with her if that was all she was good for.

She is a friend, she is an ally. She is my biggest follower and fan. I just have to always remember that her love, like the love of celebrity fans, is conditional. If I show weakness I lose her respect. If I show too much emotion I lose her curiosity. If I reveal too much about myself I lose the allure of mystery that keeps her always reading me for clues like an intoxicating novel. If I stop improving, I trigger her hypergamey. But as long as I remember those rules, she will follow me anywhere anytime no questions asked.

I don't have that with my guy friends. With them I have friends that won't judge me when I bitch about something, and I can generally relax and let my guard down.My guy friends, I'd get in a fight to protect them, I'd bail them outta jail. I'd let them crash at my place when their GF goes bitchy on them. I'd drive 3 hours outta my way to pick up one of their kids who gets in trouble. But I don't have an intimate liuetenant in them. I don't have a guy friend that would be willing to wash my underwear, do my dishes, and clean the toilets after I shit in them. I wouldn't do it for them either. A woman will do this, and I will do the same for her.

With a woman I can play grab ass all day without feeling like a homo. I can take baths with. I can go swimming with naked in the backyard. I can rub her shoulders, play with her hair, put my hands on her hips, kiss her, touch her, hug her, all the time, as much as I want. And she does the same to me. I can tell her professional sports are rigged and lame and she won't judge me for that. I can play on a local no name hockey team and she will show up and cheer at every game.

I could go on all day. Women are exceptionally enjoyable, and while sex is definitely the biggest and best ride in their themepark, it is just one of many many many reasons I love them. Now not to say it's all great. There are a lot of shit rides like the old wooden rollercoaster that leave you with back problems and whiplash. There are shitty carnival hit-the-bottle scams that try to take all your money. It's not perfect. I hav learned of over the years and from TRP how to avoid the shitty stuff though. The cost can be high, but I've found I love it.

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good_guy_submitter 9y ago

Yeah man you gotta get over the anger. Women aren't evil. I repeat. Women are not evil.

Women are selfish, I'm selfish. We're all looking out for #1. They use us for resources and social bs, we use them for sex.

I'm a big happy guy, I like to kiss, I like to hug. I like to show love and affection. I do so with my woman, I do so with my kids. I hug my friends, I shake everyone's hand. I enjoy life. I don't do anything for my girl that I don't want to do. Why do I rub her shoulders? Because it feels nice. Why do I buy Christmas presents for friends and family? It's pointless right? It's beta right? No. It's called participating and building relationships. Why go to dinner with friends? Why do anything?

You sound like you are depressed as hell and really, really upset.

Not all women are shit. AWALT applies to the way they think. AWALT applies to what sets them in motion. AWALT applies to what they are capable of. But AWALT does not apply to partner count or life experiences thus far.

There are a lot of decent women out there who just want a masculine guy with a pair of balls on him that will fuck them good and love them. But I'll tell you, you won't find these women in liberal-retard indoctrinated colleges. You won't find these women in liberal swamp cities like San Francisco. Because, as much as AWALT applies, a woman's upbringing and life experiences also apply. If she hasn't been ruined by hundreds of men pounding her out. If she hasn't been reprogrammed with civilization-destroying liberal propaganda... She can be very good.

It's the new simple car vs. used fancy car analogy.

The college girls, they are used fancy cars. They've been driven thousands of miles by many many different men. We're talkign multiple owners. They have wear and tear. And in addition, because they are luxury models they have hundreds of features, all which require maintenance. A lot of high maintenance bullshit that you don't need. Reclining seats that no longer work, GPS system that is using 3-years outdated maps, custom IC chips that make it impossible to work on them outside the dealership... They are a mess. Even if you find an untouched one, she's going to be high maintenance and hooked on the dealer (Feminism).

The new simple car, or slightly used car, is the girl you find who hasn't been to liberal bullshit college yet. Who hasn't slept around. She's either brand new or had only 1-2 previous drivers. She's like my old 67 Mustang. Looks amazing, but doesn't have any of the high maintenance or superfluous features you don't need. Just oil, gas, and the other basics. No buggy electrical system. She drives. She looks great. She sounds great. And if she breaks down you can fix her yourself. She's not old fashioned, she's how a woman ought to be.

I've said it before. You find a woman that hasn't been ruined by this feminist culture. One that has a great relationship with her family, a great relationship with her dad, and a great masculine dad at that. A daddy's girl. And then you keep her the hell away from feminist bullshit. You treat her like the easily-impressionable immature teenager she is. Make sure she doesn't hang out with bad apples that will spoil her. Watch what media she consumes. You don't allow her to have male friends. Guide her towards values and information that will grow her loyalty to you and towards being a good mother, if you want kids. Mate guarding 101, basic shit, but if tell this to a typical beta he'll accuse you of abuse, like a fucking retard.

At first it's a shit ton of work, but it gets easier, and for me after almost a decade it's effortless with the exception of those danmed romance novels I have to cut her off from because often the writers are man-hating feminist pieces of shit.

And after that, it's all on you. Women in your life for prolonged periods of time will reflect you. They will become like you. Assuming you mate guard and keep her away from shitty outside influences. So if you're with a girl for 5 years and you think she's become awful, it's probably your fault. But on the other hand if she's a "unicorn," it's probably because of you as well. A skilled general will have excellent subbordinates.

Otherwise, just fuck sluts. I think it's an empty way to go. I did it for a while, it was fun but it gets old. I decided I wanted kids. And I love my kids more than anything. They are so worth it.

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IckyStickyPoo 9y ago

This post is quite bp imo, by the age of 14 your princess will already had been pumped and dumped from a few chads, at the age of 18 her ncount will be way above 20-30,and it will be only the beginning of her cc riding.

That is not my experience of girls at all. Most have not yet had sex, even at age 16.

ichivictus 9y ago

In my experience, 14-year-old sluts come from broken families and are more active on Facebook than with their family. That's a problem that could be fixed with proper parenting. But many parents would rather get high, cheat, fight about stupid shit, etc. after work and they just let their kids do whatever the fuck they want. Sadly, I think the majority of the lower and middle-class families fall into this category.

With good parenting, keeping your family active with activities and love, there's a much greater chance that your daughter will wait. Maybe not till marriage but at least wait till they are more mature.

Having sex with your HS boyfriend after prom is more acceptable. Sure every father will have a fantasy that their daughter will wait for marriage, but if they find out they had 3-4 partners before marriage I don't think that'll do as much damage as 20-30.

My current girlfriend was a virgin till we got together. She was 19 and of course we didn't wait till marriage, but my point is is that there are more out there.

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Do not speak to any man about his daughter like that. Just because you read a lot of TRP does not mean you know anything about this guy's daughter or how she will turn out.

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Not for me to judge, up to OP. But let me share this with you, if you were to insult a red pill man's daughter like that to his face, guess the outcome? Theory is all well and good, but try it in practice.

lemming1607 9y ago

sure man, its totally impossible to be a virgin in this day and age.

(I've fucked virgins in this day and age)

adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago

(I've fucked virgins in this day and age)

Those don't count. They are not virgins anymore.

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Lol david kings a faggot that does porn and sells over priced weed... all of FGCU knows nerd.. game over.

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You're a fucking idiot to even write that first sentence. OP just wrote paragraphs about his love for his daughters, and you first comment is this?

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RPAlternate42 9y ago

I told them I have 2. No response to that. I guess, since you were the first to say something, they jumped on you, then I said I have 2 and they went... "shit, now I need to invent a new reason to hate them."

I treat my daughters as I treat my wife or any woman I would interact with... really any person.