I saw this linked in another thread. I didn't watch the full video, but it made me wonder. Why does oneitis even keep on occurring? It's caused by blue pill thought, but what keeps it there? Why does it have to be this one girl?
I think that it's in part due to laziness and fear. Picture this: your goal is to settle down with nice girl who'll love you for who you are. She likes the same crap you do, dresses like she's stuck in some decade past which you love, and sings duets with you while she's in the kitchen and you're in the shower.
Well, congratulations son, you did it! "Looks like you hit the jackpot, tiger." You've found Mary Jane Watson, and you just won't let go.
But what if she does go? What then? You'll have to start all over again. And you don't want that. You worked so hard to get here. What if you never get that again?
[deleted] 12y ago
Honestly it just comes by having few options and being in proximity of woman with high fecundity. If you can land a girl in bed and convince her to procreate with you, and she is 10x hotter than any chick you could realistically bang, why would you let her go?
Of course, none of them are realistically looking at the situation, which usually amounts to the woman at hand using them as an emotional tampon, a walking atm machine, or both. Methodically stringing the guy along, hinting that he may have some chance in hell of one day banging the shit out of her, even though he doesn't and never will.
redditalias7 12y ago
Answer: Leave the US
Source: An expat in Asia.
eshlow 12y ago
In addition to this, not sure who in the manosphere wrote this (maybe rollo?) but there are different relationship strategies for males.
"Alphas" tend to be able to facilitate the ability to mate with multiple high value females. This increases the chances that their seed will be spread.
"Betas and less", however, tend to be have very little sexual access and thus "monogamy" serves to increase the chance of their seed being spread via the exclusive relationship.
This means that the beta males will try to strongly protect their mating strategies (and inadvertently sabotage them) by being too "try hard" and with extreme mate guarding.
Then when a beta male ends up getting cuckolded/divorced/etc in today's environment they usually go for two options -- suicide or violence. Their attachment to their mating strategy (aka the one-itis) is so strong that they can't imagine living without them (suicide) or if they can't have them then no one else can (going nuclear with violence).
TimFinds 12y ago
Expertly explained, brother.
mechakingghidorah 12y ago
I don't think it's so much living without them,it's that women can get half your shit and label false allegations of abuse against you with little or no proof. That's what causes the suicide or violence I think.
eshlow 12y ago
Youre right, though it's most likely a combo of both.
roe_ 12y ago
It's caused by blue pill thought
I don't think it is. It's caused by us being a species that evolved the trait of high male parental investment (fatherhood).
Basically, once you've pair-bonded to someone, emotions tend to run high - if she returns the investment in you, it's all good. If she doesn't - it can be extremely painful.
Oneitis is fine, if she has it for you.
But at it's root, it's all about mate-bonding so you can be good parents together.
TimFinds 12y ago
^Best explanation. Humans should mate for life because both parents need to be heavily invested in each other so that they may be heavily invested in their offspring.
why_downvote_facts 12y ago
if we're going to use all these 'bio-truths', I like the 'beta @ home, alphas on the side' theory
although statistically many marriages succeed and avoid infidelity
[deleted] 12y ago
[deleted]
roe_ 12y ago
My understanding is, even in the pleistocene, only elite males were endowed with access to multiple females (excepting opportunistic extra-pair mating).
I'm not sure what "territoriality" means in this context - mate-guarding, maybe?
redditalias7 12y ago
*Mary Jane Rottencrotch.
FTFY
_Morpheus__ 12y ago
insecurity, they don't want change and even more they don't want the possibility of rejection
[deleted] 12y ago
Common story theme are of a guy finding his "true love, the hero finally getting the girl he always wanted, or something along the lines of someone getting "lucky" because they met a nice girl.
Guys get the idea in their head that if they meet a girl they connect with it means she's "special" and he should marry her as soon as possible. They think it'll never happen to them again or they don't wanna risk loser her and never finding another girl again.
[deleted] 12y ago
This reminds me of a Tuthmosis post on the RooshV Forum, where he argues that Indian men (and women) are actually quite brainwashed by Bollywood.
Here. And here. (make sure to read his next post in that same thread as well)
I'm not very big on Hindi movies, but I've seen a few where the lead starts off as being alpha, and then ends up being totally beta, as is typical in Hollywood movies depicting strong male characters.
[deleted] 12y ago
It's this kind of thing that makes me want to start a movie/tv analysis post to point out examples of blue pill mentality being pushed.
sososomean 12y ago
A romance for a man has traditionally been less fraught with dangers for a man (pregnancy for example), thus they're more prone to idealistic dreaming rather than careful, callous calculations.
redpillschool Admin 12y ago
Men want women to bare their offspring. I don't think it's a tendency for oneitis, though men who are unsuccessful with women will likely exhibit that behavior, I'd argue it's a tendency to ensure that women don't sleep with other men. You will see it with a man who has one wife, you'll see it with a man who has ten.
TehGinjaNinja 12y ago
I believe It's also the product of an instinct to aid in rearing children, inorder to improve the odds of your young surviving and your genes propagating.
[deleted] 12y ago
What is the difference between oneitis and love?
all_will_be_right 12y ago
Example of non-oneitis love: If I didn't have you (someone else would probably do).
Oneitis is a premature narrowing down of possibilities. It doesn't help that love stories are often told in a revisionist, with-the-benefit-of-hindsight way that makes the path to True Love seem to be well-signposted and inevitable, and forgetting to mention the dead ends and wasted journeys.
[deleted] 12y ago
[deleted]
[deleted] 12y ago
I am in between then. I could love another, but seriously don't want to.
rebuildingMyself 12y ago
Lack of having an Abundance Mentality. You think she's the best you can ever get so you start rationalizing a lot of crap away and compromising your life goals, beliefs, and dreams for her.
JamesRyder 12y ago
Apathy for me mostly.
Shitbruh 12y ago
We've been lied to all our lives about romance and women.
So when we feel we've gained a nice woman's acceptance and attraction, we fall face forward into reality when things don't go the way we day dreamed about
We don't assume women can flip-flop on their decisions and monkey branch, because we've been told that it's men that lie and can't commit to their romantic agreements.
And then we grow up. Some never get to though.
pontifx 12y ago
You know what? This is the only place where I can go read a chain of comments and see so much of an idea explored regarding women. We are certainly getting there as a group gents.
To your point OP:
I had oneitis for seven years. http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/09/21/curing-oneitis/
That email was mine.
Having moved past it some time ago I can tell you like anything emotionally compromising it is a question of how much space it takes up in your head.
The first girl you date is going to fill most if not all your sphere of thought related to women. As you date progressively more you will begin to realize the spheres currency of expansion isn't an amount but emotional residue left by each interaction. An either enjoyable recollection or a little agony it literally doesn't matter to your brain, it gets stored with equal anticipation as value.
If the first girl in my case hits you significantly harder then other women but she isn't worth keeping then you are stuck in a bind. This situation leaves you rating potential mates lower because they cannot claim as much of that sphere as the other girl and then you get the rare to be seen male hamster spinning with thoughts of I can just do better then this etc.
That's the flipside of oneitis, its N-itis. I went from one to infinity. Not yet discovered by the red pill community, it is indeed a thing. Its the complete reluctance to give a girl of reasonable quality any space in that sphere. It comes from a disconnect in arguments such that the things you are looking for in a girl do not sufficiently create openings to your mental sphere making aligning with someone harder then it is supposed to be for them in a way that causes a deficit in the interaction. (Think like a longterm overnegging of someone to the point where you get the hard N rational NO coming out of their mouths.)
Over time you end up thinking of women entirely as sex objects instead of people. This is what feminists get butthurt about. They get butthurt about it for a completely different reason. They arrive to this conclusion because all the womanhood they have left is in between their legs.
You have to take the time to create space for them to occur as contributions in your life. If you want someone who knows how to act in front of your friends, there are flags to look for. If you want someone whos going to let you play games and not have their pussy dry up theres flags to look for (chances are they have no clue what MAC makeup is) but really the disconnects come down to this:
Oneitis occurs when more goals either conscious or unconscious have been achieved by a girl and you have no close contenders and you let that create your interaction with that person instead of the pursuit of your goals. It's getting lost in the thrill of victory while the battle is still being fought.
N-itis occurs as a form of upset that comes from the perceived reality that your NAWALT girl so to speak doesn't exist. You fuck random girls then begin to step out of the game completely.
They don't exist because you haven't created the space for them to occur in your life yet. You haven't put the thought or effort into what you would give to them in order for them to get what they want also.
tl;dr - men get oneitis or n-itis because their sphere of thought related to women is either too vulnerable to one person or not vulnerable to anyone and it comes from not taking the time to create a space for them in your life.
edits: spellcheck is the online dating of the english language
VZPurp 12y ago
She became a part of your identity but hypergamy prevents that from being a lasting condition for her. She jumps ship, you're devastated. You lost a part of you, but it was just the feminine imperative for her.
Your defense is to spin plates and avoid complete commitment. You don't innately have anything like hypergamy to back you up, but with proper training and refinement you can ensure you don't get burned anymore.
[deleted] 12y ago
So, spinning plates is explicitly to avoid commitment, and potentially getting "hurt"?
VZPurp 12y ago
Avoid commitment? Is commitment something I should be seeking?
Getting hurt? Happens to most men if they're burned by hypergamy, but no, this isn't just about that. It'll definitely allow you to avoid "hurt" and attachment, though. That's not to say one should avoid a wonderful relationship with a woman; just means there's more than one way to do it.
[deleted] 12y ago
Could easily be biological not logical.
rds4 12y ago
Of course it's not logical, it's partly cultural and partly biological like every other emotional/hormonal/sexual/romantic behavior.
Question is how much of it is cultural, and how much biological? And what are the biological reasons?
[deleted] 12y ago
i've "taken the red pill." i'm a realist when it comes to relationships and girls. i'm also quite good at picking them up.
but you know what, i believe in love, and i imagine most guys do. i'm not so sure there's an eternal love (but it'd be oh so nice if there was), but i believe in love. i'm not expecting to, but i hope i'll find a girl out there that makes me change my mind on marriage and settling down. there are probably quite a few girls out there that i could love. i know girls are biologically-inclined to hypergamy as guys are to spinning plates, but i also know that there are girls and guys out there that will be the exception to these biological imperatives we have for certain other girls and guys. and if they're so lucky to find each other, they'll stay together till death do them part. what, you haven't seen an elderly couple still very much in love? get out more.
so, what's wrong with oneitis as long as you don't turn into a beta when you have it? are you really going to avoid falling for someone because you don't want to have your heart broken? you can do that, but me, i'll take that risk to have a chance at the reward.
[deleted] 12y ago
I do believe in love. I also believe that it comes with an expiry date.
redditalias7 12y ago
Do you believe in life after love?
TehGinjaNinja 12y ago
It's important to recognize that these behaviors, which are always part of humanities instinctive baggage, are prominent today because we have technologies which lower the risk factors associated with them. We have for condoms preventing the spread of disease, birth control preventing unwanted pregnancy, and government preventing wide spread social violence and providing social services.
If these technologies weren't in play the personal costs associate with hypergamy and polygamy would cause people to regulate their own behavior to a higher degree.
There is also a biological imperative to pair bond. It's not a matter of being an exception, it's a question of which set of instincts will predominate and guide an individual's behavior.
TimFinds 12y ago
Pair bonding produces the best chance of human offspring to survive and further procreate. It is not human alpha to fuck everything with a vagina. That is the alpha of animals that do not pair bond where the father leaves the mother after depositing seed.
TehGinjaNinja 12y ago
Very true. I think alot of guys on this subreddit would benefit from watching the first few minutes of this video by GirlSaysWhat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VupEC0cAWo
FYI: GirlSaysWhat is a pro-MensRights woman.
In that video she discusses the biological origins of monogamy in humans. To sum it up, our direct primate ancestors were most likely "tournement breeders" where males would fight for control harems of females. The Alphas were the winners of the fight and would get exclusive rights to the females in the tribe.
The most likely reason we are semi-monogamous as a species today is that female began cheating on the Alphas with subordinate males in the troop, i.e Betas, who shared resources with them and helped them with their young.
Think about that for a minute. Many of our ancestors were Nice Guy Betas who got laid in exchange for being more supportive of females than the Alphas.
Females cheating on Alphas with Betas. It's an inversion of the dynamic we've come to expect in modern humans, but it's the most likely explanation for our current state as a semi-monogamous species.
This evolutionary dynamic has left human males with two strategic options when it comes to reproduction; Alpha-Dominant (A-D) and Beta-Provider (B-P). We have the instincts for both.
The reason why we are seeing such an emphasis on the Alpha-Dominant role now is because changes in our society have made being A-D less risky and more beneficial, and have also made being B-P substantially less advantageous.
why_downvote_facts 12y ago
yep. as 'alpha' as you are, women sometimes are in the mood for 'beta', when I was young and crushed my ex-gf like an asshole she immediately started dating an older stable guy
_Molon_Labe_ 12y ago
Because they seek approval and validation. There is a hole in them that they cannot fill, and they find it with a woman [or many women in succession.] You can see this because sometimes they will actually get the girl, smother her in gifts, affection, and love over a period of time, and she will run away, cheat, or break up with them.
You cannot find approval in women. You cannot find approval in other people. Even if they somehow did manage to give it to you, it will not fill the hole.
You must find approval and acceptance in yourself.
edit: whole/hole
[deleted] 12y ago
All about finding meaning from within, and then acting accordingly. :-)
TehGinjaNinja 12y ago
Don't fall into the same trap that feminists do. Not every impulse you find objectionable is the result of societal conditioning. Most are the product of human nature.
Human beings are semi-monogamous. We have a natural desire to form pair bonds, as those help in the rearing of our children. This is where oneitis comes from. We also have a natural desire to deversify our genetic porfolio. This is where polyamory and cheating come from.
Every human being on the planet is a mass of conflciting impulses. It's part of what makes us so adaptable as a species. I also makes it important to rememebr that there are times when your instincts will betray you and lead you to do things which don't make you happy in the long run.
[deleted] 12y ago
Also: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1cipm6/why_do_you_think_men_get_oneitis/c9h1jcj
[deleted] 12y ago
Cool!
Where did you read about that? (if you can remember)
I might just steal that! Nice wording.
TehGinjaNinja 12y ago
JFGI: "human pair bonding", "origins of human monogamy", "human reproductive strategies", etc.
It's one of the most common theories as to why men desire and accept monogamy. Biologists, looking at the obvious advantages of polygamy for males had to ask the question, why would any man accept or desire monogamy.
The only answer that ever makes sense in biology is "it serves evolution"; i.e. it aids in propagating genes. When you look at how helpless human infants are for months at a time, and how vulnerable pregnant human females are, it makes little sense to believe they could survive in the wild without some kind of support.
As far as the desire to "deversify our genetic porfolio" this is my own wording and conception of the fact breeding with only one mate brings with it an inherent risk that all of your young may posses any flaws that mate had and no advantages beyond those you and your mate posses. This creates an imperative for females to seek out different genetic material, not just better genetic material.
I get the impression that a lot of guys in the RedPill communty have the false assuption that a woman would not want to cheat on an Alpha. Infact a woman, I believe, a woman will have the desire to cheat in any LTR, as a result of this subconscious imperative to avoid confining her young to a genetic monoculture.
[deleted] 12y ago
Yeah that makes sense.
But do you think it applies to younger men? Younger women, sure. But for a 15 year old guy? (did you read the "Women: The Most Responsible Teenager in the House" article?)
TehGinjaNinja 12y ago
You raise a good point. The issue here is that Oneitis is actually two differnt conditions with somewhat similair symptoms:
Paternal Oneitis is an intense sense of affection for one particular female, typically experienced by mature men. This is a doting affection, much like a father for his child. She is special in his eyes and he cannot see her faults clearly. This is a nuturing impulse that leads to pair bonding and facilitates the rearing of children, hence it is "Paternal".
Nihilistic Oneitis is a much more extreme and dangerous condition typically afflicting adolescent males. This is a worshipful obsession with a female, which sees said female elevated into a perfect embodiement of the feminine principle in the eys of the sufferer. This provides motivation for the male to take risks and ignore common sense in his efforts to claim the female adn breed with her. Sufferers of this condition become obsessed and may claim that "nothing matters" except the object of their affections, hence it is "Nihilistic".
Bobsutan 12y ago
Part of it is cultural programming to heap virtue on the feminine. this leads to putting pussy on a pedestal.
Part of it is scarcity mentality.This leads to obsessing over one woman. aspergers may play a hand in the obsessive aspect as well.
What I find interesting is how guys with options can still get oneitis, in some cases not even for the best women of those available to them. Usually in the cases I've witnessed it had more to do with ego protection from being rejected.
p3ndulum 12y ago
It's just about seeing an experience through. If we can't complete a task that we're sure we're fully capable of, then we get frustrated.
The only way to cure that frustration is to accomplish the goal.
I know that every time I think I have "oneitis", it's cured almost as soon as I get my nut. Beyond that point, the girl just gets more and more annoying (instead of more and more attractive).