Abstract
As requested, my 170pt+ comment in a previous thread was expanded upon and made into a post.
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Hypothesis: Consumption activities that require no production, creativity, or effort were not only sapping my energy, but were causing problems in other parts of my life. If I refrain from consumption until I get shit done and prioritize being in the moment and sleep over stimulation, good results will come, whatever they may be.
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Topics (in order)
- 1) Pornography & Masturbation
- 2) Video Games
- 3) Torrenting
- 4) Online Shopping/Home Decor
- 5) Netflix and Free Streaming
- 6) Social Media
- 7) Cell Phone Use
- 8) Electronic Stimulation and Sleep
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General Format:
- Relevant History
- Previous Issues
- My Experiment/Results
- Conclusion.
At the end, there will be final conclusion of the entire experiment.
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Note 1: Each topic will be posted in the order that they occurred in my life and will have its own page. The first topic and its conclusion are provided. The other topics will be posted seperately because this report is far too large to post all at once.
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Note 2: How these topics and my experiment relates to privacy issues, conspiracy, and blue pill ideologies has been minimized or completely excluded intentionally. That is another post entirely and would only serve as a distraction.
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Note 3: This abstract will be included in all topics. In the future, just skip to the subject.
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Pornography and Masturbation
Relevant History
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I discovered photo porn in 5th grade by searching "sexywomen.com" and "big boobies" on google images. My mother found it in the search history, gave me another 'talk', then grounded me. I even invited my friend over to see my new discovery...
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Me: "Dude. 'Bob'. You gotta come to my house. I found something awesome on the computer!"
Bob: "What is it?"
Me: "It's a secret."
(Shows him)
Bob: "you didn't know you could do that? Turn it off we'll get caught!"
Me: "Come on! Stay. We can still look at some more."
Bob: "They are wonderful, but this isn't my house. I'm leaving."
Me: "I'm gonna stay a little longer..."
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It wasn't until 7th grade that I discovered video porn and jacked off for the first time via LimeWire (remember that?). My older friends back in elementary school told me about this 'jacking off' thing in 5th grade. I had no idea what they were talking about. I thought you just look at women and enjoy the boner in your pants or maybe rub against a girl with your clothes on. "You rub your penis and sperm cums out." Dafuck?
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Finally got curious and tried it out. "WOW! You can watch videos of this stuff? Okay, let's try out this 'jacking off' thing. Okay, you just watch the video and rub your dick and something cool happens".
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There I am on a laptop with my pants at my knees and cock in hand. Eventually, I felt an unfamiliar but very pleasurable sensation overcome me, so I just kept wanking to see what would happen. Then it happened. My eyes rolled in the back of my head and my limbs stiffened. The pleasure was so intense it felt like it was killing me. I was immediately addicted. At least once a day everyday since that moment, I watched porn and jerked off. It was a fucking routine: come home from school. Eat. Jerk off. Take a nap. Finally, last wank before I fall asleep.
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How is this relevant other than for a laugh? Examine what I just said for a moment. From 13-18, for five straight years, I watched porn and jerked off everyday. As you can imagine, this has its effects. It was only after many sexy times later that I've realized my history of porn and masturbation habits were negatively affecting me and decided to confront the issues head on.
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My Past Issues
- Issue 1) Desensitization/Fantasy Preference
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There were two simultaneous issues occurring. First off, I was physically numb from all the times I rubbed one out with a tight grip. Condom? Forget it, boner died. Raw dog? Hard as a rock and last forever, no problem. At first glance, that longevity may appear to be quite desirable, but it was actually a curse. Sure I could get her to climax multiple times, but what about me?
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I enjoy the act of fucking for the sake of fucking, to impose myself on her, to dominate her,but it was extremely difficult to get-off and was bumming me out. It even made girls self-conscious wondering why they couldn't "please me". However, this was not their fault and there was nothing they could do about it. A vagina simply cannot replicate the pressure and motion of your hand that you're accustomed to. My body was programmed to orgasm with precise pressure, speed, and muscle contraction from all those years of masturbating.
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- Issue 2: Imagination vs. Reality
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I had a preference for porn and imagination over the real deal. Even when the girl had a great ass & tits and I was raw doggin', I couldn't get off from the act alone. Every time I had to withdraw from the experience back into my mind to fantasize about something I was already doing.
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Combine this with Issue 1 and you get extreme difficulty climaxing. It took immense concentration on a fantasy, precise angle of entry, and specific muscle contractions to get off. Any distraction would kill it. There was a time I was having sex basically every day, yet I needed porn to finish myself off. Gentleman, that's a problem.
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Issue 3: Lethargy/Lazy Boners
Orgasm saps my energy and makes me sleepy. From my experience, masturbating does so more than sex. Although they result the same, your mind knows the difference. Masturbation is treated as a temporary substitute. In addition, I have found that once a day drains the will and motivation to do anything after the fact. If I were to sleep upon climaxing during masturbation during the midday, I feel like shit when I wake up. Attempting to fight this urge to nap makes me sluggish.
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Combine masturbation daily and taking naps upon climax and I got what I call 'half-ass libido'. My mind still recognizes and targets attractive women, but little to no physical arousal follows. The process is almost exclusively a mental one. Instead of physical arousal, I feel lethargic. It's like an automatic aerosol scent can that's running low on liquid. The internal motor begins to cycle, but only a pathetic puff shoots out. If any physical arousal is present, a small flaccid boner develops and isn't pleasurable. Overall, the feeling is gross.
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- Issue 4: Wasn't turned on by frontal sex
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There was a time that a front angle view of a woman's lower body didn't arouse me. This was because every time I spanked the monkey, I watched porn and every time I watched porn, it was a video of doggy style. Hours upon hours of sexual stimuli was exclusively of a specific action at a specific angle. I conditioned my mind to only accept this form of input.
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Issue 5: Required more extreme stimuli
When watching porn in large quantities, you discover new categories and acquire other tastes. Eventually you get sick of that one scene from that specific video and begin to search elsewhere. While this is occurring, you develop a tolerance to the dopamine spikes your current material is inducing and need to be ever higher to get-off. Over time, your tastes evolve due to necessity. I found myself going to more and more questionable parts of the internet and looking for online places where people engaged in this activity (entertaining the thought to meet up with like-minded individuals). Not of the violent or illegal variety, but I could tell based on my trajectory that this path was dangerous, a 'gateway porn'. Not a good hole to go down. I got out before it was too late.
Experiment and Results
Procedure 1: Porn
- Real Amateur films only
- No 'extreme' porn
- No pornography whatsoever
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My interests starting from 7th grade progressed as follows: lesbians, professional (fake), real amateur, then ‘extreme’, extreme + 1, extreme + 2... At the beginning of this experiment, I thought that if I just stick with the ‘real amateur’ films, I would be taking in a realistic stimulus that wouldn’t do any harm. It’s the real deal. No fake moans, no shitty acting, no fake tits and asses, no ridiculous sex positions and crazy lighting. Just filmed from a home camera. Surely this would be okay right? To test this, I decided to compare it to no porn at all.
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- Result 1: Real Amateur vs. No Porn
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No porn was the best choice. It turns out I had an artificially high expectation of women (unrealistic) fixed in my subconscious. With no porn, I'm aroused by less attractive women than before.
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Result 2: Time
While actively monitoring the time spent on porn during my experiment, I noticed how much time I spent looking for the perfect video. I was very picky about the perfect scene. It could take up to 30 minutes to find it. When I decided to stop using porn, masturbation session times decreased dramatically. They are more to the point.
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Result 3: Extreme Stimuli
My newly acquired 'extreme' tastes are still with me and I feel no shame in allowing the thoughts to flow in my mind, but I no longer need them to climax nor do I entertain meeting up with like-minded people.
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- Result 4: Frontal Sex and Nudity
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With cutting porn out of my routine, I became turned on by frontal sex and nudity.
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Result 5: Revert Back to Porn
I decided to go back to porn to see how it affects my brain after having done my experiment for a couple weeks (and of course because I missed it a little). I no longer derive as much pleasure from it. I'm impatient with the time necessary to find the perfect scene. I find that real amateur photos that randomly popup in ads are more arousing than video.
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Result 6: Another pornographic relapse
After over a month of no porn whatsoever, I decided to dip into it because I couldn't sleep. It was here I noticed a real change in my brain. No longer were the thumbnails of the videos instantly arousing me. I had to try to get into the videos, to feel what I once felt when I used to watch them regularly. Now I feel no need to see it.
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Procedure 2: Masturbation
- No fap
- No death grip
- No flexing
- Eyes open
- Less often
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- Result 1: No Death Grip
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I am more sensitive. It's easier to climax
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- Result 2: No flexing
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Used to flex certain muscles and position my body in certain ways while jerking, something that is extremely difficult to replicate during sex. Now a relaxed position suffices.
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- Result 3: Eyes Open
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Before, I jerked with my eyes closed and fantasized. Now I keep my eyes opened, look at my dick, and imagine a girl on it to keep the perspective in line with the action instead of from a view of 3rd party observation (watching). It feels more real when my mind doesn't drift away and make the act of sex an abstract concept.
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- Result 4: No fap
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a) Went cold turkey and didn't fap. I lasted about 4 days before my balls ached from their own weight suspended between my legs. It was so painful I had to lay down and rest my sac on my leg to give them a break from gravity. I gave into the misery and released to pent up pressure. Semen went flying like rockets.
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b) In just a few days, I noticed my hormones raging and my adrenaline pumping at the sight of a slightly fuckable female. My thoughts would then be consumed with sexual fantasy and my boner would press hard against my pants. It would happen in the store, at work, on my way home in traffic. I couldn't focus. I couldn't function.
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c) My mind would get desperate for female attention in the form of IOI's. I would swivel my head and stare at girls in my vicinity despite me actively attempting to prevent it.
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d) I went cold turkey again to see how it would pan out, but this time my balls didn't hurt.
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- Result 5: Less often (see edit 1)
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When spaced to every other day, the amount of energy drained is decreased. When spaced to every 3-4 days, my 'battery' becomes fully charged. It's best right before bed and only after having done something productive that day. By doing it before bed, there's no opportunity cost. You were gonna sleep anyways, right? Anything after results in a sore dick upon indulging until a new regular pattern is established.
- Sidenote: But now that I think about it, the longest I lasted was a week, but it was because I had no time before bed (had to wake up super early). I knew if I wanked, that would be 30+ mins less sleep. I needed every second.
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Any noFap after a week with no pussy to dump your load in is just needless misery. I can't sleep in this condition without knowing I'll suffer for it in the morning (mentioned early).
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- Result 6: Relapse ==> New mindset
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Shortly after the first pornographic relapse discussed above, I felt another urge to indulge, but this time it was different. The same 'mental dominant arousal' I discussed in Issue 3 (lethargy/lazy boners), but without the accompanying sluggish feeling. I could sense it pressing in the back of my mind, but not surfacing. To examine it, I withdrew into my mind and found the visceral feeling to be quite primitive. I don't mean that in only the strict definition sense, but also the negative connotation that usually comes with it. In my meta-cognition, I sneered at it. I viewed it as a lesser being. I feel my biological programming influencing me, it wants me to slave away mindlessly.
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This doesn't seem to be just a coincidence or random. At this time, I was working on escaping my 9-5. It's as if my mind now had a higher calling and this urge was restraining me and I personified it to allow resentment. It was like leaving the scene of a person you no longer wish to speak to, and the person tugs at your arm to regain your attention to reengage or convince you to come back. "Get off me. Don't touch me."
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Conclusion (see edit 2)
I used to think that pornography didn't affect my life in any negative fashion. All you do is find a video, sploosh, and move on with your day, no problem. Upon reflection, I've found this to be demonstrably false. Anything you repeatedly expose your mind to will affect you. You won't notice it until you experiment with it because the effects are subconscious.
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Masturbation removes all traces of desiring women not through substitution, but by removing the foundation of all life's pursuits. It saps my will, my drive, my energy necessary to pursue life. Once the euphoria of the climax wears off, everything that gave me purpose is rendered meaningless. It results in a mini existential crisis if not done right before bed.
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Ask yourself, when was the last time you needed discipline to pursue sexual gratification? No matter what, the body manages to muster the will to pursue the proliferation of its genes. After this experiment, I came to a conclusion: sex is the primary motivator of all male action. The energy the body automatically reserves for the pursuit of reproduction is the foundation of all motivation. It is the push that makes us move. If you are not careful, nature's push will shove you far in the wrong direction.
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If only one could harness this sexual desire selectively and channel its energy towards productive outlets... If only one could tap into this reservoir of sexual energy and redirect it at will, the results would be awe-inspiring. I have done it once, and it was amazing.
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I'm shocked at all the time in my life spent staring at a computer rubbing my dick. That time could have been spent on something productive.
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If you find yourself questioning whether or not what you're looking at is legal, it means you've gone too far. There are just way too many 'normal'/healthy/legal ways to express your sexuality for it to be worth it. These newly acquired tastes weren't something you would naturally stumble upon, they came about as a necessity to exceed your newly established dopamine tolerance.
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Not jerking off is simply not feasible for me. Unless you slay pussy left and right all week, you're gonna have your needs unmet much of the time. In addition, I can't function while my hormones are raging and my adrenaline is pumping. I would recommend eradicating porn altogether and keeping masturbation to the least you can do while remaining functional. Don't jerk off just because you're bored, do it only after having been productive. Do not reward yourself without having worked for it.
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Pornography and masturbation isn't immoral and it doesn't make you beta, it's just not good for you. Have sex with an actual woman instead.
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Next Experiments
- Video Games
- Torrenting
- Online Shopping/Home Decor
- Netflix and Free Streaming
- Social Media
- Cellphone Use
- Electronic Stimulation and Sleep
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Edit: Masturbation ==> less often. Comment added to post for methodolgy clarification.
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Edit 2: Conclusion ==> Paragraphs 2 & 3 switched.
Riseandshinefaggot 9y ago
you gotta finish this field report brother
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NaughtyFred 9y ago
When Karl Marx said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" he hadn't seen pornhub. Wanking is like drugs: for every 1 guy who can do them with no negative life consequences there's 100 who can't.
mehdreamer 9y ago
Whenever I fap...I feel terribly bad the week after. No eye contact, my eyes are not "dominant" and "persistant" anymore, I eat like crap and I feel like a looser. When I have 30 days of NoFap...I just feel a lot better...
feelinglazy 9y ago
Easy for you to say it as you got chicks to fucked. I went no porn without sex for over half a year and the result were horrendous. Constant wet dream + dick leaking at night.
The newfound focus is just a placebo, it wears out over time. Trust me, I've been through it.
I don't mind sexual objectification of women, in fact I look forward to it. I don't see women as special snowflakes, I just see them as a series of interchangeable holes.
sorad792 9y ago
Amazing post. 20 years old, and I've finally started plating girls, but due to all of your aforementioned issues, I still prefer porn and masturbating over sex with them. I actually requested a handjob over sex from a girl last week, so that I could instruct her on how to do the death grip.
There was a time not too long ago where I was jerking off around 5 times/day on average. It's definitely a problem, and I want to start taking the steps to solve it
BluestBlackBalls 9y ago
Get plates with tighter pussies
dr_warlock 9y ago
Since you have plates, only stimulate yourself via sex. Eventually you'll bust a nut and recondition yourself.
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Also, the reason people fall into the jerk off multiple times a day trap is because they've got nothing going on but the silence and their thoughts. Your brain seeks stimulation and will look for the easiest source to acquire it. Don't give yourself time to dwell. Go on meetup.com and signup for sports shit.
McLuhanSaidItFirst 9y ago
+1 on staying busy with productive stuff, sports, etc.
sorad792 9y ago
This is actually a fantastic conclusion. And I believe it is why my two biggest distractions when I work are 1. megalomaniacal daydreams with music (another stimulant) and 2. masturbation. They require no effort and can be done in bed.
You're absolutely right; however, the issue is that my work and my mission require that of me (math/physics/compsci research).
I am generally very efficient when I sit at my desk and code/work for long times, but I'm still a man and will inevitably become horny, so when I do, I allow myself a two minute, vigorous masturbation session to relieve the pressure. That being said, I still want to cut back further since it is a dependence. Any other suggestions to avoid the immediate satisfaction?
dr_warlock 9y ago
It probably means you work at home. If you're jerking at the work/school bathroom, I cant help you. The best thing is to pursue social activities, by that I mean those that remove you from the home. This way you're in a situation that doesnt allow you relieve yourself. Secondly, it gives you hope during your wage slave time. On the weekend, if you're invited to party, do that. For the rest of the week, go to meetup.com and sign up for some physical activities like hiking, rock climbing, and pickup sports. It's usually free or up to $20, but that's chump change. Pack your schedule so there's always something to do. And lift obviously.
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Oh, and avoid all sexually suggestive imagery. It's hard to because the system spams you with it. It's on sidebar ads. It's in the thumbnails of suggested videos. It's in the TV ads.... They are triggerful. If you weren't horny, you will be and its hard to suppress.
RabidLibertarian 9y ago
This is why I failed every time I've tried this in the past... It helps me a lot now that I've cut out TV, use adblock, and have stopped browsing reddit and youtube mindlessly.
atriumhd 9y ago
I would love to give up porn and fapping. You were much further down the rabbit hole than me, so it might have been hard for you to give up, but for me it wouldn't be too hard. I have a gf I live with, so sex isn't an issue either. But my issue is actually that without porn and fapping I wouldn't last long in the bedroom. I used to use a death grip, specifically to try to desensitize myself! Right now I can usually last 5-10 min, but if I haven't fapped in a few days, it would be about a minute. So in that regard, fapping does me good.
The bad part is I'm lower libido as it is and fapping lowers my drive to have sex. So it's a catch 22. Don't fap and I would initiate more often but barely last, or fap and have sex much less often because of the lower drive. Any advice?
dr_warlock 9y ago
Cycle on on and off randomly. When you cum premature, just toss her aside and DGAF. Then assure her of round 2 to make up for it. You should last longer the second time.
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edit: give up porn forever, use memories of past sexual experiences when you fap instead.
Bigcasanova 9y ago
Just ditch the porn . Jerking it to train yourself not to bust too quickly is fine , it's the novelty and over stimulation the porn provides that is the issue .
nightmancommeth 9y ago
Lol I get this too. I have found now though if you focus on your breathing and keeping your heart rate down you can go as long as you want. Also dont think about it or cumming. Focus on something else, the way her titties bounce, the feel of her ass or her in general. Do your best to not think about your dick and your gold.
When its been a while though thats tough so I usually get her to the point of cumming with oral or hands etc before I stick it in. I find nothing is worse than the guilt felt from you getting yours and her not getting hers but meh it happens.
[deleted] 9y ago
Quit porn, but there's no reason to quit fapping.
Because fapping and sexual activity raises libido and helps your dick
Do you think you have low T and what are you doing besides relying on a meme to fix it? Eating more protein, getting more sleep, working out harder/more than you normally do and more sex/fapping are natural ways to help out with that.
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
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nightmancommeth 9y ago
Jumped on the no fap bandwagon after I went through a divorce. I was jerking it way too often even while married which killed our bedroom and made me incredibly lazy. It was mostly out of boredom since i was working from home most of the time and no one was there.
After the divorce I went no fap picked up a few plates and ended jerking it all together. I ve since been in an LTR and instead of jerking it we just have sex on a regular basis.
I can usually go 2-3 days without it but i also get exactly what you described in the fact that every female starts to turn me on. I love that feeling though especially in the gym. I find it ups my motivation 10 fold and after the workout I am too drained to do anything.
Allegro6 9y ago
When you are going to release article about video games? They are my true nemesis. I read a lot about it and I keep fight with playing through my life.
[deleted] 9y ago
This is very good stuff and I look forward to the other topics. Very good write up. I have done no fap periods in the past and I think I'm gonna start it again.
J_AsapGem 9y ago
solid article, looking forward for the others, i also experienced the same thing you did, after 3 days by balls got super sore and heavy had to buss a nut to relax
valvadi 9y ago
This was desperately needed. I thank you for your contribution and in helping me renew my determination and stay disciplined.
Bush_cutter 9y ago
Great post except for the methodology.
It's unclear exactly what you abstained from and how long.
From digging around your post it seems like you went 'no-fap' for 3-4 days?
Yeah that's definitely a long time if you're used to on a daily basis, but not super long.
Just wondering exactly what you did here.
dr_warlock 9y ago
In the report, 4 days. Then I found out my optimal period is every 3-4 days right before bed and only after having done something productive that day. By doing it before bed, there's no opportunity cost. You were gonna sleep anyways, right? But now that I think about it, the longest I lasted was a week, but it was because I had no time before bed (had to wake up super early). I knew if I wanked, that would be 30+ mins less sleep. I needed every second.
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Any noFap after a week with no pussy to dump your load in is just needless misery. I can't sleep in this condition without knowing I'll suffer for it in the morning (mentioned early).
sunshine_machine 9y ago
Two things come to my mind when it comes to the comparison of women and porn. I watched a youtube video so obviously I am an expert (/s). Skillgap and novelty.
Our minds are slaves to novelty and release happy chemicals when experiencing it. The easily accessible and abundance of porn allows our brain to gorge on novelty and doing so builds up tolerance to porn and otherwise women (the frontal nudity got me). The brain copes with the tolerance by building more ways to let the happy chemicals flow through full force to match the novelty gained the first time.
Women simply can't compete with porn so our brains aren't easily impressed by them even if they are literally naked in front of us. It's why it's hard to get a hardon sometimes when you're about to have a go at some chick. It's also why a lot of guys don't cum on the first try. Then we get to the skill gap part. It's hard to talk to women for most men and porn is easy to comeby and it doesn't take a whole lot of skill fapping alone in a room somewhere in front of a computer.
WolfofAnarchy 9y ago
Great post /u/dr_warlock. Well done!
I've experienced basically everything you have, too, except for the 'goin' ham' after a week of NoFap. I've done many NoFap streaks, always had trouble beating my addictions, but the best times of my life in the last 2 years have always been on long streaks.
Great post!
empatheticapathetic 9y ago
As an experienced no fapper, how hard is it for you to do? I can describe myself as a Nofap guru but I'm quite worried about how easy it is for me. I'm on week 4 now of cycle 7 or something, and it's just too easy. I am never horny and have zero desire to masturbate or fuck. Is it easy for you? I want to want to fuck.
nightmancommeth 9y ago
I can see it being hard. I cant remember the last time I fapped but sex is allowed. This is what turned me into a no fapper. It made me motivated to go out and get a few partners and created some drive in me to hit the gym and look my best.
[deleted] 9y ago
Have you had your testosterone checked?
WolfofAnarchy 9y ago
It's very hard for me and I often go DAMN inside my mouth when i see good-looking women walk by.
Plenty of urges too. I'd do some blood work for Testosterone if i were you.
Might also just be a temporary flatline tho. Wait. 2-3 weeks
empatheticapathetic 9y ago
It's always been like this generally. My T last time I got it checked was 24 between 7.5 and 31.
I think mine is more psychological as I've only ever (badly) fucked escorts. But that is because I'm lacking the original urge etc
dr_warlock 9y ago
This situation was good in the past when you could just raid the other tribe and take their bitches, but not anymore. You gotta channel that now.
WolfofAnarchy 9y ago
Napoleon Hill wrote a great piece on this in Think and Grow Rich. I believe he called it sexual transmutation
dr_warlock 9y ago
It's hard to concentrate on anything else with all that energy begging to be released, but once you plow through it and gain momentum, it's all good. Think static to kinetic friction.
McLuhanSaidItFirst 9y ago
+1, totally works like a charm.
scissor_me_timbers00 9y ago
I think if you don't use your dick at all for more than a few weeks, it basically shuts down your sexual system. I think once a week fap is probably good, maybe once every two. Just to keep the red blooded male in you still hungry.
[deleted] 9y ago
It does.
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
empatheticapathetic 9y ago
I did it the first time to cure my (PI)ED and it did, but I also became super emotional (as I was a virgin the entire 206 days).
I'm doing it this round because I have trouble getting hard and aroused. I do notice women more but i don't get horny, I think at this point it may be more down to sexual confidence and self esteem or something, I have little to none of either, so I think I subconsciously block my urges or something. But if I'm drunk and a woman is showing interest, I'm pretty sure I'd have no issues getting horny, so it's just a lot of fog in my head clouding the route from the stimuli to the sexual activation.
nightmancommeth 9y ago
Are you hitting the gym hard? Eating right? bad diet and lack of exercise can lead to Low T
empatheticapathetic 9y ago
I've been out of the gym for 8 months due to an injury but I had the same problem before hand. I eat great. Do some HIIT and bodyweight stuff instead.
My T last time I checked was 24 between 7.5 and 31, which isn't too bad I believe.
Uhondo 9y ago
Add: A man who wants to gain power over a woman must follow the example of women and condition his sex drive. If he succeeds in becoming as cold as she, she can no longer bait him with sex into the role of provider. At most she could offer herself as an equal sex partner, as dependent on him as he is on her. If men could abstain from sex at judicious intervals they might even succeed in normalizing the female sex drive - even make women desire them more than the other way around.
Source:The manipulated man
Luis_McLovin 9y ago
I want to know how well this works he other way around, men baiting women into sex through relationship means
dr_warlock 9y ago
and /u/Eastuss
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The only way to combat lower female sex drive and retain an abundance mentality is to eliminate her monopoly of your sex life by discreetly banging other chicks on the side. Never let a woman decide when you don't get to have sex. She's 'not in the mood'? You should have a backup chick in your phone or call up an escort.
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All women will attempt to use their sexuality as weapon at some point, neutralize it. If she can't control you with it and make you put up with bullshit, she will complain in the form of "are we okay?", "you've changed....", blah blah blah. Translation: "Why can't I control you with my pussy?"
[deleted] 9y ago
Discretion is subject to some debate.
Open relationships & polyamory seem to be more and more common and 'acceptable', which brings some interesting advantages.
I'm in an open relationship right now with a girl who has done everything but watch me fuck my other plates. And that she has voiced willingness to do / participate in should I find a willing 3rd wheel. Meanwhile she has supposedly (believably) not taken any new partners, mostly thanks I expect to higher value and dread.
There is no dread like someone calling themselves your girlfriend willingly acknowledging and supporting your non-exclusivity. And there is no pre-selection quite like a girl who behaves monogamously and loyally towards you, desperately trying to fuck your dick into submission, while you actively seek new partners.
Eastuss 9y ago
Dunno why you notify me, there must have been a misunderstanding. :p I'm not having sex when I want to, but my LTR isn't here to help (because, we're both at our work places...), when I get back home I'm tired and not needing sex anymore.
I don't have any problem with her being willing to give me sex, my sex drive is lower than hers, I turn her down very often and she is almost always open for it or craving for it. Problem is, my sex drive is lower than her only because there's only her, if I had many partners it would be higher... which is annoying when your policy is to not cheat.
Sometimes she makes jokes saying that she'll stop having sex with me if I'm a bad boy, I reply that I would beat her at this game, and she knows it. It's not really abundance mentality since it's not about having sex elsewhere, but it works...
oijustoi 9y ago
I had a similar experience when i stopped watching porn, months ago. I like to see this as my HIGH(H,weekends) and LOW(L) of my sexual interest periods. Moreover, like you, i can hold no-fap for 5 days at max, otherwise i will have my balls hurting a bit. At the third or fourth day, i start to get aroused more quickly and with more intensity. It actually makes orgasm more satisfable from both masturbation and sex.
GodEmperorShitLord 9y ago
Back in the day you had to marry a bitch to see her pussy.
Pornography is shit. Don't do it.
BluestBlackBalls 9y ago
Hahahahaa
So did girls not have sex prior to getting married?
Did a chump, never having seen a naked girl, let alone feel her interiors know what to look for when first bedding his 'virginal bride'?
Did people not commit incest? Or is the taboo born out of mere speculation?
fuxdpus 9y ago
If jacking off feels better than sex, what do I need women for?
dr_warlock 9y ago
It only feels better because of the desensitizing. Your brain knows the difference however. If jerking was better than sex, you would never consider sex, but you do. If you had a constant supply of sex from the beginning, you would never consider jerking.
Uhondo 9y ago
Masturbation has many more benefits than most would like to acknowledge. In fact it "clears" sex off your mind, and allows one to concentrate on other, more important matters. There's almost nothing as nasty, and distracting as strutting around with a sack full of mayo. A horny man is a sick man, and a man that's somewhat easier to manipulate. That sickness is cured by a healthy dose of jerking off once or twice weekly. I'm not sure that i would condone porn, however.
nightmancommeth 9y ago
You use that frustration as motivation to go out and get laid on the regular. Get a gf or a few plates so you can get that release on the regular.
Bigcasanova 9y ago
Masturbation and porn have become inextricably linked to many young men . I think it's fairly safe to say that masturbation from memory has very little negative effects or potential for addiction , pornography is the exact opposite . Masturbation is older than the human race , internet pornography and the dopamine releasing novelty it provides , is proving more than many men can handle . I've read / heard that the problem is less pronounced with men that came of age before internet porn . The men whom had access and exposure to internet porn during their more formative sexual years are the ones more likely to suffer the negative consequences .
These factors along with current societal trends are creating a feedback loop in which these young men become addicted to pornography and then have no drive to have sex , therefor no practice interacting with women , no game , it's much much easier for them to just watch porn . This is reflected in statistics that young men today are having less sex on average than comparable groups from the previous generation .
BluestBlackBalls 9y ago
We are liberal with the word 'addiction'
As per PsychologyToday.com
Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance (e.g., alcohol, cocaine, nicotine) or engages in an activity (e.g., gambling, sex, shopping) that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work, relationships, or health. Users may not be aware that their behavior is out of control and causing problems for themselves and others.
This definition could be twisted to say:
Women spend their lives in the pursuit of feels, are indoctrinated into partaking in the CC to achieve a sense of self by proving beyond any doubt that males find them irresistible.
When replaced by younger, hotter models a woman will necessarily tie down a BB Chump in an attempt to salvage her feelz
Suffice it say, this does not satiate and often results in extramarital relations, bitter bitch syndrome and finally divorce.
It is safe to say, as a result of the pursuit of happiness, read feelz, women do indeed injure those closest to them.
Children are reared without a father figure, husbands and boyfriends are left broken hearted and at the end, the feelz remain unsatiated.
Therefore wimmins is addicted to feelz
laviksa 9y ago
What do y'all think about the increased risk of prostate cancer when not ejaculating regularly?
Source: http://www.medicaldaily.com/frequent-ejaculation-may-reduce-prostate-cancer-risk-how-orgasm-protects-against-334018
tl;dr:
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http://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
http://www.frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
Its_a_new_moment 9y ago
It's more probable that you get prostate cancer from a poor diet than lack of masturbation.
Eastuss 9y ago
Thanks for sharing! That resonates so much with my life, at some details.
I discovered very early about masturbation and porn, I did it multiple time a day until I got my first sexy times. I too wasn't able to climax, condom make me flaccid, ect.... I thought I was just like that. I never noticed any negative effect of masturbation besides general exhaustion immediately after so I could hardly link anything bad to it.
At some point I got fatter, did less sport, had a general bad health. My LTR was unhappy of my low libido. I then reduced masturbation and porn, lost some weight and did some sport, my libido went x4 almost instantly. I'm trying to never fap or watch porn.
Porn doesn't affect a lot my expectations of sex, but it affects my body standards, and it's even more difficult when your LTR is post wall because of pregnancies.
But porn was useful at one thing: calming down my need for diversity. I know my LTR by heart I fucked her more than 1000 times, sometimes I want to explore more women, and to calm those urges, I used to watch porn and masturbate. Without that, it's getting incredibly more frustrating to look other women but not do anything.
Masturbation was useful at one thing : calming sexual urges that I usually get at 10am and 15pm (when you are supposedly the most energized). Now I just get frustrated, whenever I get home I am tired and not really wanting sex.
Not masturbating and not watching porn definitively has positive effects on productivity and energy, it makes me more sociable, craving more for sex, being more alpha in general... but frustration also has negative effects on moral and discipline, especially it could maybe make me infidel at some point....
McLuhanSaidItFirst 9y ago
If you take a similarly exacting and thorough and insightful approach to your career as you have to this experiment, you are going to become very successful (if you haven't already).
This is remarkable work.
dking168 9y ago
So essentially, you jerked off 365 x 2/day x 5 years = 3650 loads
I was similar but I probably jerked off only once a day for a couple of years. But I'm telling you right now, ejaculating so much drains your masculine energy and after quitting porn and by extension, masturbating. You will have to re-harness all that energy again into something productive or else you will fail. That is why NoFap is so hard over long periods of time, the act of stopping PMO is not hard, it is the boredom and that unharnessed energy that overcomes people's judgement.
I do believe that masturbating is healthy and normal. You should explore your body and touch yourself sparingly, HOWEVER people take this too far and masturbate every day and to porn no less. I think the sweet spot to masturbate is every 6 weeks (or 42 days) and if you do decide to fap, you must do it without porn.
NoFap is not a test of stopping PMOing, it is actually a test of your masculine willpower. Just like TRP & Game, it is something that only you can do for yourself. Nobody can take it from you nor can anyone give it to you, you must earn it. As TRP always like to quote "Men are made, women are born".
People take NoFap take it too seriously and it is a test of "I CAN NEVER MASTURBATE AGAIN". No, that is not the point. The whole journey of NoFap is that you will internally look inside yourself and confront the emotions about yourself towards women. Just like Game, both Game and PMO makes you face all your fears and face them head on. This is scary and it why so many people fail at pick-up and as a cascading effect, NoFap. Facing your inner demons is single-handily one of the hardest thing a person can do and we literally live in a society where consumerism suppresses that pain. But consumerism only fixes the surface and until you deal with the root problem, you will ALWAYS fail (both at pick-up and NoFap) no matter how hard you try.
CalfReddit 9y ago
I agree. Fapping every few days is the best option. I still watch porn, but no extreme stuff. I like natural boobs or at least not extremely fake boobs and often I watch things like Blacked, those guys have huge dicks but that doesn't result in me being insecure of my dick. Amateur is also great.
JizzWall 9y ago
Excellent post, I contribute my lack of "experiences" in my younger days to jacking off. I just didnt want or need real sex, thus didnt pursue women. I was content with myself i guess.
Officer_Dick_Johnson 9y ago
Man oh man, I remember the first time I jerked off.
I can't remember if I was even hard. I just tugged my dick as I saw big boys doing in porn while watching some softcore Tinto Brass movie on late night tv about two lesbian milfs (till this day milf remain my kink) and all of a sudden it felt like I'm about to piss myself. I ran to the toilet. I didn't want to piss all over the living room floor.
I understood that this pissing sensation was because of me tugging my dick. If I didn't want the piss to rise I should stop jerking, but I didn't. I kept working my foreskin and the piss kept rising until I came.
It was so intense I got blind for that moment. It was so intense I kind of felt scared. I don't even think there was actual cum. It took me a few more days before I wanted to try again... and again and again.
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drty_pr 9y ago
Imagine your doing a job around the house and that hot ass chick walks by with her dog. You know the one with the ass that makes no sense being on such a skinny chick. She passes by. You look down and realize your other head is thinking. Go in, look up some xvideos and 20 minutes later your done. Now go back to that job you were doing with that same energy?
BluestBlackBalls 9y ago
Walk out and introduce yourself. Fuck!
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[deleted] 9y ago
/u/dr_warlock
you should post this over in the NoFap sub if you havent already, the people over there need to read this too.
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Marcus1138 9y ago
Great post, thanks for sharing. I had a similar porn trajectory, and it's getting to some fairly weird stuff now.
Realistically I know I should stop, or at least cut back, but it's easy to relapse. Your post's inspired me to redouble my efforts and succeed this time.
5v1soundsfair 9y ago
You must not torrent much if it 'takes no effort' and the end result (a library) isn't rewarding.
Creating a nice library has taken me a decade of very consistent, very patient, and sometimes determined work.
BluestBlackBalls 9y ago
To the uninitiated, could you elaborate on the demands imposed on a Seeder.
My experience with Torrenting is limited to:
"Ohh, [insert thing of interest] is available"
Get the .torrent file and download in the background, check a day later to see if it is complete.
5v1soundsfair 9y ago
Have a folder each for books, Tv, games, programs, sports, movies, etc. And sub-folders for genres/authors series/seasons if applicable. Do all the folder work as you go and you won't end up with terabytes of unorganized files.
As far as seeding goes get a vpn (PIA works well), and once connected seed the good things (1080p x265, your favorite book etc.) as long as you like. You don't have to go crazy just overnight/when you go to sleep.
dapowa 9y ago
there are subreddits for this, get outta here with this crap. and 5vs1soundsfair, you're a tool.
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[deleted] 9y ago
Your research overlaps with my observations, but I congratulate you on such scientific approach. You could definitely pursue a Doctor's Degree in Menology with this attitude.
I heard it's best to orgasm (both from handicraft and sex) every (Age - 7)/4 days, but I'd say it also corellates with your Testosterone levels.
mnemos_1 9y ago
Adding "handicraft" to my lexicon.
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Katavasis 9y ago
The time i realized porn was bad,was when i typed on google:'I feel bad after masturbating'. To my knowledge,nofap didn't even exist back then.My own brain and body screamed for a change. If found some articles about dopamine etc and shorlty after nofap was founded/or i found it.
I believe though that it's not 'porn' itself that's bad,but the way we look at porn.Clicking from video to video,stimulating our brains all the time.I think this idea of continuous stimulus ties great with you other topics.
On a final note,a sign that you went too far,is the increasingly disturbing pornographic footage you get aroused with.If you find youself indulging in porn depicting sexual activities that irl you would never pursue,it means that your brain has overeached his natural state and now tries to discover new ways to balance and get back to equillibrium. Just like drugs.
[deleted] 9y ago
It's when you put on a disturbing video with puppies, midgets, sour cream, chastity cages, two-metre-long strap-ons and saline injections, and your only comment is "-sigh- the shit I put up with..."
Quick dopamine rush is what's truly addictive. Life's composed of Chores, Dopamine Fixes and Pursuits and the second one is the only one truly dangerous.
dr_warlock 9y ago
In theory you could just watch the first okay video you see, but in practice you take in all the stimuli thrown in your face and sort through it like its a candy store. It's like women and social media. Porn is terrible for the mind, it literally rewrites your brain by rewarding you just for existing. Stay away from it. A picture or an escort is much preferable. Better yet, improve yourself, learn some game, and be social with a side of cold approach to get girls who genuinely desire you.
Expectations1 9y ago
The biggest downfall with porn is actually the energy it robs you of, im like a jackrabbit when on nofap, and a sloth when watching porn.
Katavasis 9y ago
I agree.
Could this also explain,why guys that watch excessive amounts of porn have feminine traits?
HAMMURABl 9y ago
Most popular explanation is decrease in t-levels, but i think there much more neural things going on that we dont know about.
[deleted] 9y ago
Great advice here. I try and abstain from porn as much as possible. I really dont think its good for the mind to watch porn. I dont have any scientific evidence to back that up, however hopefully one day I will be able to studies on it in a more professional setting as a MD or PA. There is a video out there with Ted Bundy being interviewed about the effect porn had on him, and that porn should be abstained from.
This lady was telling me I should get a girlfriend, and to maybe give a girl that likes you a chance instead of seeming so disinterested with girls. I think I will do it, and see what happens.
One reason I try and abstain from watching porn is because hypothetically Ive seen this chica I like and her hot mom looks very similar to her. Seeing her mom who has been nice to me thus far, and seriously thinking about if her mom would maybe let me fuck, which she more than likely won't let me fuck...... Feels bad man. Because lets say by some miracle her daughter does ever have some decency and ask me to be her boyfriend like a decent human being, just because I legit think her mom is kind've hot it would be a little bit awkward.
dr_warlock 9y ago
It's not. That's a fact. No need for studies. Most of the things discussed in this sub can be seen with your own eyes with field experience.
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If you find a girl you like, go for it. Sex with a woman is better than dick in hand watching other dudes fuck girls. All the tools you need have been given to you in this sub.
[deleted] 9y ago
Yeah I mean the FBI has done studies on porn from what I understand. I was watching video on youtube that had Ted Bundy being interviewed. Basically he was letting people and especially young males in their twenties to abstain from watching porn. Maybe I should ask if they will let me do my internship in Mexico, Syria, or somewhere in South America.
A girl who I really like and who also wants to really and I mean really be with me as my girlfriend is the thing. I think that if a girl really likes me she could least have a tad bit of courage or something and maybe let me know that she is interested in maybe being my girlfriend and getting to know me. If I I do like a one of these human female creatures I just like to be certain that if I do approach the girl and am going to put some effort fourth into actually having to be nice to one of these fucking bitches that she is going to let me fuck or at least suck my dick.
Quite honestly Im not gay but I dont really like many girls. Some of them are nice and have phat asses and goddess thighs but knowing myself once again I'm pretty sure if a girl wants to be my girlfriend, more than likely she is going to have to initiate the conversation with me or at least make it very and I mean very obvious she wants me to come talk to her and is sexually interested in me. Literally Its not that hard for a girl to come up to me if she is interested in me and ask for my number, and/or ask if I would be interested in being her boyfriend at some point.
If she can at least initiate, be nice to me and let me know she is interested in being more than just my friend or the guy she texts or messages, sure I would definitely consider asking whichever girl that may be to be my girlfriend.
Ill take your advice Warlock and as long as the girl can make it somewhat obvious she is interested in me and/or eventually would like to my girlfriend once we get to know each other Ill pursue her. One thing though is that I usually like girls who are older than me for some reason.
dr_warlock 9y ago
This is why you dont get women.
memphisjohn 9y ago
^ to phrase this a bit more politely: women do send signals. But it's up the man to spot the signals and then ACT.
You are correct in stating that if you wait for a girl to make it obvious... you will be waiting for a long time.
Read the sidebar. Approach. Learn. Do.
[deleted] 9y ago
Yeah it's something I definitely have to work on. I will try and see what happens. Maybe being more proactive in realize when girls are trying to get my attention and are interested in me.
theONE843663 9y ago
If you find no-fap challenging, what you are doing is good enough. 3-4 days (I am high Libido guy so I do 3). The best mental thing to do when you do masturbate to release the urges is to masturbate to your own memory of you banging bitchez. It has to be in first person. And it's better to do it in a natural position. Instead of moving your wrist back and forth while you lay in bed, get on your knees and actually "fuck" your fist.
Alternatively, buy a stamina training fleshlight unit and start training. When you view masturbating as training rather than this guilty shit that you do, it's a change in mindset.
dr_warlock 9y ago
The more realistic the simulation of sex is, the easier the transition. That 1st person perception is very important. I was gonna use a pocket pussy to make this report more complete, but it just feels sad going through the effort of simulation when that effort could be going towards real pussy.
CQC3 9y ago
As someone who got a Fleshlight I can highly recommend it.
For two reasons:
For those who jerk off too much and have the death grip problem, the encompassing and much more subtle sensations of a fleshlight are going to retrain how sensitive you are.
The second is that you'll actually start to enjoy using it once in awhile and for that reason if you can stick to only Fleshlight masturbation then you'll probably masturbate less than you already do. The reason for this is that while it doesn't take THAT long to prep it and clean it after, it is enough to stop you from just randomly wanking one out just for the sake of it.
I don't personally think nofap is a good thing, I think getting off of porn for many people and just jerking off 1-2 times a week is sufficient.
nightmancommeth 9y ago
You are allowed to have sex on no fap. Use that frustration as drive to go out and get some or use it to go nuts at the gym. After a heavy workout that desire to jerk off dies down pretty hard or even then like you said youve earned it.
theONE843663 9y ago
Nope... I get even more horny the night of a heavy workout. Before red pill, I used to be 3-4 times a day guy brother. Trust me this high Libido is a double edged sword. My game isn't strong enough yet to pull every 3 days and I can't commit to relationship.
nightmancommeth 9y ago
I got yah! We all have our demons. Glad you are facing yours head on!
[deleted] 9y ago
It's proof your normal and healthy. There's literally no reason to be concerned about it.
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
theONE843663 9y ago
I got no concerns bro I love that I'm a horny bastard that'll fuck pretty much anything.
420PussyEater 9y ago
I knew I could not jerk off if I was having sex. I'm paying for an escort once a week abstaining from jerking it and the porn I do look at is mainly literotica now. Something about the setup and active imagination entices me. It's probably why I love reading successful field reports so much. I heard about a study done on abstaining from masturbation where on the 7th day the subjects testosterone spiked. However with no release on the 8th day it plummeted. I also knew sex increases testosterone and thus I've been getting an escort once a week on my 7th day. I'm feeling great. I love it. I'm working out and have so much more energy for my job and hobbies. I'm still trying to ween myself off of tumblr porn and trying to stick with the erotica especially true erotica. Once I accidentally came while softly stroking through my boxers. Another time I came when I was trying to get my dick hard for dick pics. One time I actually sat down and jerked off in front of my computer. I felt so off that week I fact when I saw my escort who is very nice and friendly with me I had a hard time cumming. I did just smoke a weed dab right before so I think that held back me cumming.
So jerk off once a week to keep testosterone at optimal levels. If you want use an escort instead for even more testosterone.