A recent post titled "Why you shouldnt date single moms thread #82974" linked to an article by self proclaimed feminist Lori Gottleib. Once I started reading it I could not stop. This article is a bloodbath of TRP truths.
what makes for a good marriage isn’t necessarily what makes for a good romantic relationship. Once you’re married, it’s not about whom you want to go on vacation with; it’s about whom you want to run a household with. Marriage isn’t a passion-fest; it’s more like a partnership formed to run a very small, mundane, and often boring nonprofit business. And I mean this in a good way.
Mundane? Boring? Where do I sign up???!!! Don't get married
As the only single woman in my son’s mommy-and-me group, I used to listen each week to a litany of unrelenting complaints about people’s husbands
You could be working a dangerous, miserable job and she will be lounging at the park or the library bitching about you.
The couples my friend and I saw at the park that summer were enviable but not because they seemed so in love—they were enviable because the husbands played with the kids for 20 minutes so their wives could eat lunch.
She is looking for a free baby sitter.
...he’s a decent guy who takes out the trash and sets up the baby gear, and he provides a second income that allows you to spend time with your child instead of working 60 hours a week to support a family on your own...
Beta bux anyone? At the beginning the author tells us she was artificially inseminated and the kid has no father. This is the stupidest way of all to start a family and a really shitty thing to do to your kid, but that is a different discussion.
It’s not that I’ve become jaded to the point that I don’t believe in, or even crave, romantic connection. It’s that my understanding of it has changed.
AF/BB again
Will and Grace, who, though Will was gay and his relationship with Grace was platonic, were one of the most romantic couples I can think of. What I long for in a marriage is that sense of having a partner in crime. Someone who knows your day-to-day trivia. Someone who both calls you on your bullshit and puts up with your quirks. So what if Will and Grace weren’t having sex with each other? How many long- married couples are having much sex anyway?
Dead bedroom! Guys all love that. I don't watch much TV, but I am going to assume Will was a jellyfish that let her wear the pantsuit.
Two of Jennifer’s friends married men who Jennifer believes aren’t even straight, and while Jennifer wouldn’t have made that choice a few years back, she wonders whether she might be capable of it in the future.
After hitting the wall they get so desperate ANY man that will commit is an option.
A number of my single women friends admit (in hushed voices and after I swear I won’t use their real names here) that they’d readily settle now but wouldn’t have 10 years ago.
Want to be her consolation prize later in life when she couldn't lock down any of her other choices? Don't waste your time in LTR with post wall women.
we grew up thinking that marriage meant feeling some kind of divine spark, and so we walked away from uninspiring relationships that might have made us happy in the context of a family.
tingles and hypergamy
By 40, if you get a cold shiver down your spine at the thought of embracing a certain guy, but you enjoy his company more than anyone else’s, is that settling or making an adult compromise?
So very desperate now that she is starting to consider guys she finds physically repulsive.
Author is on a date... As I looked at him from across the table, I thought, Yeah, I’ll see him again. Maybe I can settle for that. But my very next thought was, Maybe I can settle for better.
Considering going for BB, but still hoping Chad is going to pop into her life.
I also dated someone who appeared to be highly compatible with me—we had much in common, and strong physical chemistry—but while our sensibilities were similar, they proved to be a half-note off, so we never quite felt in harmony, or never viewed the world through quite the same lens.
Feminists don't know how to be feminine. She was unwilling to let this guy lead and the relationship could not attain the yin yang balance a good relationship needs.
...women who hold out for true love forget is that we won’t always have the same appeal that we may have had in our 20s and early 30s.
Yes. We call this the wall.
With my nonworking life consumed by thoughts of potty training and playdates, I’ve become a far less interesting person than the one who went on hiking adventures and performed at comedy clubs
Don't date single moms. In this case its 2x as bad because there is no dad taking the kid on alternate weekends.
We forget that we, too, will age and become less alluring. And even if some men do find us engaging, and they’re ready to have a family, they’ll likely decide to marry someone younger with whom they can have their own biological children.
Ill bet now she wishes the feminuts told her she would be competing with younger women who also want a family instead of the "you can have it all" lies
...they’re buying dozens of proactive coaching manuals to learn how to strategically land a man. The actual man in question, though, seems so irrelevant that, to my mind, these women might as well grab a well-dressed guy off the street, drag him into the nearest bar, buy him a drink, and ask him to marry her. (Or, to retain her “power,” she should manipulate him into asking her.)
The ring and party are validation to her. The man isn't all that important. She comes right out and admits manipulation is part of their arsenal.
if women were more willing to “think outside the box,” as one of the book’s married sources advises, many of them would be married. The author then trots out tales of professional, accomplished women happily dating a plumber, a park ranger, and an Army helicopter nurse. The moral is supposed to be “Don’t be too picky”
WTF is wrong with being a plumber? The amount of stupid shit women have pushed into head never ceases to amaze me. Want to work a job you enjoy that maybe doesn't pay so well like a park ranger? Don't get married the bitch will never accept your choice.
Even women who settle but end up divorced might be in a better position than those of us who became mothers on our own, because many ex-wives get both child-support payments and a free night off when the kids go to Dad’s house for a sleepover.
Hooray for divorce rape and free baby sitting!
“By the time she turns 37,” Chris said confidently, “she’ll come back. And I’ll bet she’ll marry me then. I know she wants to have kids.” I asked Chris why he would want to be with a woman who wasn’t in love with him. Wouldn’t he be settling, too, by marrying someone who would be using him to have a family? Chris didn’t see it that way at all. “She’ll be settling,” Chris said cheerfully. “But not me. I get to marry the woman of my dreams. That’s not settling. That’s the fantasy.”
Chris is a pathetic blooper that does not lift or work on himself. He has no options with women so he is waiting for his unicorn to trot home. Don't be a Chris.
a single middle-aged man still has appealing prospects; a single middle-aged woman likely doesn’t. And he’s right. Single women are painfully aware of this.
Theres the wall again
this allows men to be the true romantics... Women are the least romantic
TRP teaches that men are the romantics
here’s the Catch-22: “If I’d settled at 39,” she said, “I always would have had the fantasy that something better exists out there. Now I know better. Either way, I was screwed.”
39 is at least a dozen years too late to be thinking about locking down the right man. Again we confirm hypergamy NEVER ends. She will always be on the lookout for something better.
She says things like... “But he’s just not curious,”
WTF does "not curious" even mean? The hamster house inside their head is a complete mess, but they insist they should be allowed to make important decisions hahahaha
I’ve been told that the reason so many women end up alone is that we have too many choices. I think it’s the opposite: we have no choice. If we could choose, we’d choose to be in a healthy marriage based on reciprocal passion and friendship.
No honey you chose to believe to the feminuts and rode the CC to fem-powerment town during your best years. NOW that your feminine allure is gone you might not have a choice.
And no matter what women decide—settle or don’t settle—there’s a price to be paid, because there’s always going to be regret. “When I used to hear women complaining bitterly about their husbands, I’d think, ‘How sad, they settled.’
"regrets" and "complaints" Trying to keep a woman happy for a long time is a fools errand. Spin plates and enjoy your turn.
I’ll even hear things like, “You’re so lucky, you don’t have to have sex with someone you don’t want to.”
Imagine that. They get so desperate post wall they will marry a guy they don't even want to have sex with. I think there is a whole sub reddit about this called /deadbedroom
Well there you have it. Something about reading all this TRP stuff from a feminist author made it sink in that much deeper for me.

HeadingRed 9y ago
Romantic for a woman often means others sacrificing themselves for her. Nothing makes a rom-com like the woman with a hot but clueless or cruel BF falling in love with the guy who picks up the pieces when the hot guy dumps her for another guy (or gets caught cheating so she can dump him and get that "you go girl" vibe started.
Romance for a guy? Doing for a woman. Romance for a woman? Having things done for them.
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I wish TRP were not so opposed to marriage, it's literally one of the most ancient and red-pilled institutions on Earth. Much more so than your gym where you "lift."
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TomHicks 9y ago
OK. I'm officially triggered. What a horrible cunt. AND SHE KNOWS IT, AND IS PROUD OF IT.
its_meKnightSwolaire 9y ago
When you marry, your just transferring a female child from one man (her father) to you. That's it, she'll expect to be taken care of like her daddy took care of her.
Expectations1 9y ago
I work with a female supervisor and she bitches about her fiancee, even called him a "princess". I actually find women who are close to betting married to be the worst, they are so close to sealing the deal but also very willing to break it.
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mojo_juju 9y ago
Ruthless. That's what it is.
But that's how self-preservation works.
This isn't a game for them. It's the security of their existence. Something they will protect with all their power and ability. How? By making you do it, of course. ("it" being anything that benefits them).
Women are fucking ruthless when it comes to men, because men are just a tool-- a means to an end-- for them. To them, men represent their drive for self-preservation-- it's how they stay safe, alive, and nourished physically and financially.
So yes, women are abso-fucking-lutely ruthlessly brutal.
Whenever you see a cute little 20 year old petite blonde girl... just remember: she's a fucking ruthlessly brutal little cunt. (and she might not fully realize it yet)
She looks innocent on the outside, and even acts innocent... because that's what nature gave her: the element of surprise.
Lsegundo 9y ago
Great point. If a man called a woman "that" instead of "her" in this context the SJRs would launch a humiliation/life destruction campaign against him.
max_peenor 9y ago
Wallets and meat-robots don't have souls. That makes it ok.
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He is not, he is a blue pill provider
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exit_sandman 9y ago
Lori Gottlieb is a sociopath, though.
Horus_Krishna_2 9y ago
here name is very Leni Riefenstahl esque
vandaalen 9y ago
She had a very aesthetic way to look at things though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlWikS0mK_g
Horus_Krishna_2 9y ago
true but and I guess she was just following orders but still
I bet lori has the same kind of rationalizations going around on the hamster wheel
vandaalen 9y ago
Nah. She admired Hitler, but it was absolutely her thing.
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1991Kira 9y ago
Certain parts of the article, like the one above, seem really off to me. I refuse to believe that any man with a working pair of balls would ever say such a thing out aloud, especially to another woman, no matter how much of a BP he may be.
valdirtheblue 9y ago
I haven't witnessed such absolute destruction like this in long time. Great post. AWALT
newName543456 9y ago
Mainstream doesn't hate TRP because we're factually wrong.
Mainstream hates TRP because we dare to arrive to different conclusion (rejection of marriage) from the same premises. Instead, they grasp at straws to hamster away clear failings of concept of marriage and hope someone eats it up.
scarletspider3 9y ago
They hate us because we inspire men to pursue their own self interests instead of female's.
BENDERisGRREAT 9y ago
and also because they aint us
1v1crown 9y ago
holy shit... this was absurd... was this article written as satire by a trp guy? jesus christ women are just the worst... ride CC then desperately try to find some shmuck to settle with that will take care of her... then complain the whole time about it. oof... bleak picture.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
She means it in a good way. What's the problem.
RedPillHanSolo 9y ago
I've posted this in another thread, but Milo said something interesting: "feminism robs women of perfecting themselves".
Katavasis 9y ago
I am sorry for the guy who would marry such woman,but i am also guilty of taking the pleasure and 'enjoying' these kinds of women.They want to keep you close SO hard,it's fun especially in the bed.
scrodzilla 9y ago
I will at least give her credit for having the awareness to make this statement.
0kool74 9y ago
Man the deadbedroom sub is pathetic. I've never seen so many men that need to be smacked upside the head with a sledgehammer!!!!!
zfighter18 9y ago
IIRC, Will wore the pants and Grace was a neurotic, flighty mess. I used to watch the show when I was a kid back before my dad didn't want to buy cable.
Dravous 9y ago
it's also probably complete horse shit. a lot easier to claim AI instead of "a chad who's name I never got knocked me up at a music festival while were waiting in line for the port-a-potty.
Lsegundo 9y ago
Excellent point. There are definitely some women out there telling this lie right now.
exit_sandman 9y ago
No, that woman is such a narcissistic control freak that I bet only the most perfect genes would be good enough for her glorious uterus.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Or a random unknown doner. Whatever works I guess.
LarParWar 9y ago
She has just the sort of devious, calculating mind I'd look for in a girl 20 years younger.
Archange_ 9y ago
Lori Gottlieb wrote an article in the Atlantic about how she came to be a single mother by artificial insemination and how she chose the sperm.
exit_sandman 9y ago
Yes.... this sounds exactly how I imagined her reasoning to be.
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Some signs she's settling? Could be useful.
she won't give head or do anything kinky
Can't think of any more . Lol. Open to suggestions!
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Well, at least she admits that women need to stop being so picky..
That's kind of a start..
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
In fairness to Gottlieb, she's not your typical manhater. She fucked up by waiting too long and expecting "Mr. Perfect", etc., and finally had a baby fathered by "Test Tube 433421VZK03200A2". I would certainly compare her favorably to Kate Bolick (or "Bollocks" as she should be known) who is your cliche entitled narcissist).
Gottlieb correctly identifies that, while men simply want a woman who is "cute enough", "warm and kind" and "interesting to talk to". Meanwhile, women have a list of 4,956 of things the absence of the most minor of which will disqualify a man. Oh, and when asked if a partner had "80%" of what you wanted would that be enough? Men: "Yes! She's a catch!" Women: "NO! He's a dud!"
There's a lot of truth in the Husband Store Joke (And note the simple beauty of the "Wife Store" addendum!)
Gottlieb rode the train all the way to Wall Station, and heard the conductor announce, Wall Station, everybody out!" And she Hit the Wall^SPLAT!, and is not back to be the Apostle to the Future Cat Colonists of America. "Settle! You won't have the same options at 39 as you had at 25 or 32!"
Of course it NEVER occurs to the Future Cat Colonists who think that they are 'settling' that the guy might be 'settling' for them... That they're 'endearing idiosyncrasies' are tomorrow's Annoying FUCKING Habits. That whomever they 'settle' for is going to have to put up with some crapola on their side of the ledger.
Men who are still considering marriage might be well-advised to imagine the case where a woman feels like she is "settling" and wants to remind the guy--over and over again--of how she "settled" for him, not a recipe for happiness, in my view. And why would he be considering a western career chick who wants him as an accessory--a sperm donor and a checkbook--when he can go younger, hotter, and more pleasing by spinning plates or finding non-western women? And really, any schmuck reading this and thinking 'marriage' should go watch Divorce Corp
The Poet said it best:
GATHER ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying:
And this same flower that smiles to-day
To-morrow will be dying.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Then be not coy, but use your time,
And while ye may, go marry:
For having lost but once your prime,
You may for ever tarry.
Strum_Gewehr 9y ago
Wall Station, everybody out!
HAHAHAHAHHAHA!
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VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
And this is exactly it. You may not even want to preg that 25 y.o. up, but our genes drive us to seek youth and "beauty" (our word for facial symmetry and a .72 waist to hips ratio) precisely because they are indicators of fertility.
exit_sandman 9y ago
Also in fairness to Gottlieb, she's still an all-around third-rate human being. Source: the text linked above.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
[Kissinger Accent]
"The essence of Geopolitics is distinguishing between varying degrees of evil"
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bluedrygrass 9y ago
Bull-shits.
That's just yet another trick to embellish the "female goddess" narrattive and add mistery and complexity to someone that has almost none of either.
"The 3000 things a man needs to have" is only a shit test to keep betas in their mental place.
If you've fucked enough women you know that it's saddening the kind of male they'll let to fuck their shit in.
You can literally be dumb and ugly, and broke, but if you have a certain aura and don't give a fuck, you'll be stalked by females who even looked like they had some class and personality before.
I bet you also buy the "multitasking" and "intuitiveness" narrative (whatever happened to those two anyway, lmao), and to the "pure and chaste" one, too: "females don't need sex, just affection", etc etc etc
Please
Lsegundo 9y ago
That is the LTR checklist. It disqualifies him as the perfect Alpha Bux one true love.
Give no fucks, look like you can smash the pussy into next year, and you get to bypass the list when she shows you in the back door. pun intended.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
I'm afraid you've missed the point quite badly.
If what I wrote were not accurate, we wouldn't have a Giant Cultural Narrative about "Why Are There No Good Men Left?" and "Spinster" and, of course "Eat, Pray, Slut"
Gottlieb is discussing the predicament of the modern woman in the current environment regarding MARRIAGE-- a predicament entirely of their own creation--and it is in that context that both the OP's "takedown" (and mine) should be read. The "4,956 item checklist" is the hamster in full bloom. It prevents women from accepting perfectly suitable men until they (the women) are well past their "sell-by" date, and desperate, and wishing they hadn't passed up "perfectly suitable" for "somewhat defective", at least in the view of the women.
Of course, "settling" presents dangers as well, which is why I pointed out that the man that the woman thinks she is "settling" for will constantly be resented (and reminded) of the fact that she "settled" for him. Gottlieb recognizes this also: “If I’d settled at 39,” she said, “I always would have had the fantasy that something better exists out there. Now I know better. Either way, I was screwed.”
We are suffering from a form of "cultural narcissism". Western kids are told how "special" they are and how they "deserve only the best" and then they go out an put that into practice with predictably sad results. Women are far more at risk because they have a much shorter timeline of reproductive viability then men do.
Actually, women use a rather perverse logic to hamster that. A guy she isn't going to marry doesn't have to meet all the criteria on the Checklist. I actually had this discussion with a feminist once. She explicitly told me that she would bang guys who had no LTR potential if she was attracted to him and wanted sex, but a guy with LTR potential had to wait and wait and 'earn' it.
As you might imagine, I teed off on that, crushed her "hamster logic" and banged her that night.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
A lot of words for nothing. Women have very low standards, and most crucially, very liquid ones. A woman can have a list of 1 million inoxidable values, but as soon as she realize her opportunities are dropping, or she randomly encounters a semi hobo that actually contraddicts most of her "points", but gives her the tingles down there, she'll be all over him, for as long as he'll please, ltrs included. Have you ever had a woman, damn? The first thing they do if they like you, is asking you what you like and think, to conform to it.
Your beliefs becomes theirs, no matter her background.
How do you rationalize that? How does your precious theorist wankers? Stop seeing deepness in beings, the females, that have the one of a puddle.
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VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
For the Fuglies, Feminism is a trade union, and a way to bring attractive women down.
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Random-Reddit-Lurker 9y ago
Fucking fantastic write-up.
wanderer1976 9y ago
This is an insight into a portion of the modern American feminist mindset. In this case, her and these erstwhile friends of hers simply don't understand the concept of "opportunity cost".
Opportunity Cost is something that occurs when you are faced with two or more options and are only able to choose one. In this case to marry or not to marry. Time is the resource that will be expended either way and there isn't a way to get that back once it is spent. Either path involves a lot of choices and a lot of work and doesn't guarantee to always be happy and for sure won't being bliss.
Women go in expecting Cinderella and Snow White at the end of the movie and find out it's more like the beginning and the middle of the tales a lot of them get disillusioned. For that, so do a lot of men when they find out that sex isn't going to be on demand with no effort on their part.
If a couple chooses to be married, then they and their partner have to be all in to make it work.
What have these men often done? They got married. They got lazy. They quit even trying to court their wife. They quit their hobbies. They sat on the couch, drank beer, got fat, and got boorish. The most important parts of the red pill are how you handle yourself.
Married or not, maintain your fitness, maintain your hobbies as much as possible, and court the women you are with. Maintain your frame and don't tolerate disrespect and don't give any disrespect out. That alone would save a lot of relationships, granted it would end some bad ones.
dr_warlock 9y ago
One the biggest purposes of marriage was so that a man doesn't ever have to try for pussy. The husband literally owned exclusive, unlimited access. There was a marital-rape exception.
Lsegundo 9y ago
I am not sure about the courting. I turn my plates down plenty for sex and we don't do date stuff. I keep getting invited over for sleepovers.
Maybe that is the difference between being married and staying free while they chase you. Getting sex almost whenever I want it for little effort sounds better than working hard to make sure i get it sometimes.
thewrightstuff88 9y ago
I think the courting aspect has more to do with "comfort tests" more so than anything else. Sure, some women, especially younger ones wouldn't care about courting but in order to keep an older women as a plate for longer than you typically could, you should court her here and there. Women in general want to be sexually proactive, however giving away sex without getting anything back may make her feel like a slut. In order to quell this and delay her removing herself from your life as a plate, occasionally court her, if you deem it beneficial to you, else just next her. Yes, essentially you'd be leading her on but she would do the same with you when she was in her prime.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Wait until you get to the age where you don't give a fuck if you get laid or not. You can spin hamsters at time space bending velocity.
wanderer1976 9y ago
I understand where you are coming from, and they invite you over because you are fun, and there is nothing wrong with that. I did that for a while after my first marriage went tits up. Meaningless sex with women that were mostly pale imitations of a real woman simply got old and boring to me.
Now, I work to keep myself in shape. I keep hobbies. I also make time to listen to her, make her laugh, and buy things when I know she wants them. I find the reward to be so much deeper. I won't say it's for everyone, though.
Docbear64 9y ago
I like that perspective and while I can't speak for everyone I personally feel like what will make me the most happy is a place somewhere in the middle . I enjoy spinning plates and in the moment empty sex is fantastic but their is definitely a sweet spot for sharing and embracing a moment or moments with a woman . They don't last forever sure but I enjoy reading about someone who has played and enjoyed both sides of the fence and found a balance that they enjoy .
darkmoon09 9y ago
Just curious, what exactly is a "real woman" to you?
Lsegundo 9y ago
I take "real woman" to mean someone that captures your interest for more than just sex.
RedDeadCred 9y ago
I think I know what he means. Masculine women are the pale illusions. The ones that don't know how to walk, talk, dress, or act in a way that would convince people she's a woman aside from the genitalia.
SetConsumes 9y ago
I'm curious what you think a real woman is.
Problem I've found is the less vacuous and more skills a woman has, the manlier she is.
The most feminine woman is incredibly vapid. The only thing to connect on is appreciating her feminine behavior, there's nothing else.
wanderer1976 9y ago
She knows she is a woman. She loves that. She knows that men and women are different and want different things. She loves that. She loves to do things that please her man. She won't ever see another guy as long as he is good to her. Their is an intense feminine energy about her that you can recognize the instant you see her.
The contrast is the chick that hops into bed on the second date, doesn't think men are different from women. That really act like weak men outside of the bedroom. I won't cast aspersions upon them, but I would point out that I don't think their behavior is either truly genuine or feminine. They simply don't have a thing about their style that makes you think they are women aside from a hair style and a vagina.
Some, yes. It is more likely true in the west, I will grant that. It isn't always true, though.
No, a truly feminine woman would make you feel in such a way that you wouldn't want to leave for work an you would rush to get home. Bedding a man is no great feat for a woman. Making him willing to happily sacrifice for her is a feat.
Eventually the chemicals subside. Then what is left is two people with choices. Common interests and shared enjoyments then start to become really important. A masculine man will make a woman willing to happily sacrifice for his benefit. A feminine woman will do the same for a man.
ayesee345 9y ago
So is it better to make a plate out of a more vapid, feminine woman who is hot requiring more maneuvering or game...or a manlier, smarter, but less attractive (think 8-9 vs 6-7) woman who understands TRP and is more easy-going?
SetConsumes 9y ago
Better is subjective. You'll want to fuck the hotter girl more and have more of a visceral attraction.
But the manlier girl will capture your mind more readily and you'll think about her more.
Smarter girls are also more manipulative and are better at controlling you, chipping away at your alpha side.
Play games, fuck, watch horror, fuck, eat, fuck. Haha, it's fun. But dangerous.
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exit_sandman 9y ago
Here's what I wrote a year ago:
When I first read about Lori Gottlieb (mentioned in the SMH article "Why Women lose the Dating Game"), I thought "hey, a woman with a good head on her shoulders"... well, and then I read the article from The Atlantic, full of her solipsistically circling the subject that matters most in her life: herself.
A few gems from that piece - and bare with me, I am quoting a lot of stuff because this should be known when reading something from Lori Gottlieb. Really, read it, even though it's long.
So, to recap - Lori Gottlieb conceived a child from an anonymous donor because she in her feminist-enabled worldview thought that she could still snag the guy of her dreams later. The very fact that she didn't even spend much thought about the fact that a man (and especially a quality man) might be averse to dating a single mom because this means that he'll be slaving away for another guy's child is already a giveaway about how she sees men. Apart from a token "well, maybe he'll want biological children of his own", most of her thoughts revolve around the fact that dating a single mother is inconvenient for him because she has little spare time.
As time went by, she changed her demands and became more realistic, but instead of being thankful about what she might get, she's more resignated than anything else. For her, marrying is not about having a relationship, it's about having a guy at her disposal who can do stuff for her - provide for her, let her have a little spare time away from the children, be a source of alimony payments when necessary. She could also have a servant, or a slave, or a gay best friend who happens to take on a fatherly role for her children for that. It's all about how he manages to make her life easier and more convenient. His needs - love, companionship, sex, children - they don't really register.
So yeah, this book may be great, and her articles are pure unadulterated RP facts - but ultimately, I dare to say that they're far more useful for men than for they are women, because these are real eye-openers for guys who think that the 40 year old financially struggling single mom who professes her undying love for him is actually serious about that.
Regarding Lori Gottlieb - well, she got what she bargained for, and I can't deny a certain amount of schadenfreude over the course her life has taken. God, that woman is so RP-confirming I almost wonder whether she's real. The only difference is that she doesn't have a rationalization hamster, but a predatory wolverine instead.
Edit: Just throwing in that interview about Lori Gottlieb, given by one of her exes. Charming woman! /s
SetConsumes 9y ago
As you essentially noted, husband = self professed slave and servant
Five_Decades 9y ago
I like how the guy was obese and by his own definition autistically inept socially but felt he was out of her league because he drove a Chevy Malibu.
I can't tell if sarcasm or not.
Having said that, poor guy. I feel for anyone in a relationship with her. Micromanaging his diet, fucking up his career due to shit tests, shallow and manipulative, making fun of him in articles. Poor guy.
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darkmoon09 9y ago
Damn man, that's rough. I agree, any guy would feel like shit hearing that, but it's good that you did when you did, alcohol brings out the truth in people and her real perception of you was laid bare, she knew she couldn't escape it hence why she begged for your forgiveness and you were smart enough to shut the door on her.
It's all just a game, man. Everything is a social dance and everyone has their own selfish motives for playing it, I'm glad articles like this exist because even the most BluePilled guy would be able to sense that something is just wrong with this picture, I'm also glad RP exist because it connects the dots and confirms what many men suspect - that there is something just fundamentally wrong with our current dating culture.
Anyway, sorry again that that happened to you dude, at least now you're in a better position than you were before because you've swallowed the pill and now know what's really going on behind the smoke and mirrors.
graffix13 9y ago
They simply have no emotional intelligence. They say what they feel at the time, without any regard to the other person's feelings.
Shit, one of the oldest stories ever told (The Bible) pretty much paints women as evil creatures (Eve and the whole Garden of Eden thing). This has been common knowledge for centuries, yet modern society will do everything it can to make us reject it because it's not equality.
AWALT, always and forever.
Cuntshitassfuck 9y ago
Women only ever think of themselves. Even if they try to think from your perspective, there is a lens through which they see things that they can't ever remove.
Lsegundo 9y ago
OUCH, but you handled it LIKE A BOSS! I admire your strength. You can expect great things if you have that much resolve in other areas of your life.
maybe not in this article, but it you read the interview with her ex...
bluedrygrass 9y ago
Because they're psychos. Every last one of them. Especially the more innocent and cute looking ones. They lack the ability in the brain to prove empathy for human beings of male gender. Females hate each other, but at least recognize each others as human beings, sometimes.
Males are just tools. What do you think you ex did after that? She just became better at lying. It's probably IMPOSSIBLE to extract the truth from her now, drunk or not.
And she'll find another male that will believe in her innocency and in her "love".
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
In vino veritas. You handled it like a champ.
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Lsegundo 9y ago
The interview is chock full of TRP gold too!
The amount of useless horseshit fempowered career women have internalized never ceases to amaze me. Ordering a boring flavor of ice cream flavor is reason 4,832 that a man isn't good enough.
How sad and pathetic to go through life like a robot following some secret code of conduct that everyone in the in-crowd must follow down to minutia like what ice cream you like.
Fempower! but you need backup to squash a bug hahahaha
What a fucking doormat :( He isn't fit to be a partner until he grows a spine.
A woman that is domineering and selfish had a hard time getting married. Will wonders never cease?
She was trying to settle, but could never accept that her bf wasn't sexy to her.
When your turn ends move on and there is no such thing as LDR
exit_sandman 9y ago
That's the funny thing about her. On the one hand, she publicly bemoans how demanding and fickle women are and that they have 300 dealbreakers for a second date (no, I am not exaggerating here), and then she behaves exactly like that herself.
I have the feeling that when penning her article linked in the OP, she was basically just describing herself. That's why I always have a sour taste in my mouth when I see redpillers touting her merits just because she wrote a few pieces that mesh well with redpill theory. Because at the end of the day, she's just a horrible person and all her indirect self-awareness doesn't change that.
Though I have to say that the interview was surprisingly entertaining and on point, despite it being in Jezebel.
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Jesus fucking christ. Does this guy not have any fucking balls? Kill a spider or get work done that will have a huge effect on your career.
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And bloopers wonder why we say women don't love men like men love women. I've encountered several women like this and it just blows my mind how they actually seem confused that men are real people with real lives and goals and dreams and that we actually care about them. Like deep down women don't even know that men are real people.
SetConsumes 9y ago
My SO when drinking once said she can't picture my face when I'm not around.
You can remember exactly what someone wore years ago on a specific day, but can't remember what my face looks like??
I have a feeling that when she pictures my face, she just sees my cock. o_0
Better than just seeing a wallet I suppose......
Areu4realm8 9y ago
this is not redpill, its female desperation. just marry anyone just to be married is the saddest thing ever.
OneInAZillion 9y ago
Am I the only one who laughs now whenever he reads the word "love" when it's written to describe a woman's feelings?
"She loves him" - No, he gives her the tingles and supplies the BB.
Women "love" strategically. Don't ever forget this.
LarParWar 9y ago
Virgins are capable of love.
Sluts, not so much.
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Goomich 9y ago
I would never call them doing whatever they feel right now to be strategic.
OneInAZillion 9y ago
AF/BB = female sexual, biological, and financial strategy my friend.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
Overlooked point. Most females don't reason or "feel" strategically at all. A female will happily die or waste all her best years and opportunities in the hands of some degenerate with no future.
FEELZ!
SetConsumes 9y ago
It's more like shirt sighted strategy based on feeling and not logic.
imbeciI 9y ago
Well, manipulation of someone else's feelings to obtain what they need/want at any given moment can be considered a strategy.
Goomich 9y ago
That's tactics. Strategy would be if they'd manipulate for long term gains. But hypergamy prevents that.
imbeciI 9y ago
I see. Thanks for making me understand that.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Key fact: there is nothing wrong with men and women will always complain.
Thing is... it's not just horror stories on TRP and the dreadful media representation of men. I hear women around me complaining relentlessly about their partners, treating their men with disrespect and contempt. I never hear them talking about how great their partners are.
There is no appreciation, no respect, no loyalty.
And it's not because there is anything wrong with the men, it's because there is everything wrong with women's attitude towards the male. While men are expected to unconditionally accept and love women, women in their turn relentlessly emotionally abuse and assault their partners.
It seems that the main point of being in a LTR with a woman is to give her someone to complain about and blame.
SetConsumes 9y ago
There is an exception, when she sees her friends or hears a story where the man is actually horrible or significantly worse than her man, then she has a glimpse of appreciation that may even be expressed.
BENDERisGRREAT 9y ago
In fairness we do the same to them
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
No we talk about fucking them and use crude language sometimes. Men do not relentlessly complain about their wives. This is a lie. If he did it public the harpies and white knights would attack ferociously. When women do it the are encouraged by the hens.
BENDERisGRREAT 9y ago
well you may have a point. I didnt grow up around white knights or men that apoligized for doing what they want, and I never really hung out with them, so I cant argue your point.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Most men don't
Most men put more into their relationship than most women
We're the ones that are paying, in many many more ways than women do
Women change over the course of a relationship, a lot. Men much less so. We have more right to be aggrieved than women.
We have a lot more to complain about. Women are irrational, crazy, irresponsible, manipulative, deceitful and dishonest, leading to....
BENDERisGRREAT 9y ago
Eh most men complain about their wives, maybe its just easier for use to understand that it doesnt mean they hate them. Im not saying that its the same, im not saying men and women are the same, but men do bitch about their wives a lot
TRP_DarkTriad 9y ago
Only to whom they think they are worthy enough to share their stories to(say close friends and workplace pals). Not like feminists who go online and bitch about their bf/hubby assuming their pussy is made of gold and embossed with rare big emeralds.
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BluepillProfessor 9y ago
I can confirm this. After figuring out female attraction I would not be able to get through grad school. Lost just about 20iq points.
LarParWar 9y ago
After figuring out female attraction who would want to get through grad school?
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People who like masturbatin' (the mental sort) and end up gettin good grant $$$. I mean comon', writing a shitty thesis on THE AFFECT OF POZ ON MODERN DISCOURSE can be fun if you are built for it. Uni life is fun if it fitz your personality.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Exactly! I was in my last year of my PhD when I found trp.
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As someone who has been married twice, and divorced twice; and I live in a community where everyone is happily married I am not sure what to do with this article.
On one hand I absolutely love it, since it actually speaks the truth, a very practical truth, within the context of coming from a woman and addressing women.
On the other hands I hate it since no matter how brief a relationship (ONS) or how long (my second marriage was >15 years) I never wanted to be the one she'd settle for, nor I wanted to settle for her.
Even my plates these days are women who I think highly of. They are good looking, physically fit, smart, sexy, and they give me the tingles when we are together.
Never.Fucking.Settle.
Never.Be.The.One.She.Settle.For.
Five_Decades 9y ago
The problem is most people are aiming out of their league, especially women due to the rise of internet validation.
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I always laugh when I log into Facebook and I see on my feed that some woman I remember being slutty, is getting married. I laugh even more when she's getting married to some guy in the military, because the chick probably cheated while he was on deployment, before they even considered marriage. How do men still think marriage is a good idea?
HumanSockPuppet 9y ago
Whenever a woman writes an article like this one, you are hearing two things:
The Red Pill man understands that a woman's wants oscillate between strong sperm and stable provisioning, and she will abandon whatever she presently has (however good) when her biological impulsion resides on the other side of the pendulum swing.
A woman will leave a stable beta provider when her eggs are screaming at her to breed, and she will leave an alpha tunnel digger when her nesting instincts rear.
Whenever you read articles like these, or whenever you hear a woman talking about what she wants in a guy, always remember the pendulum. Women habitually mistake temporary feelings for permanent axioms: do not accept her errors.
Hillarysdilddo_2016 9y ago
I had to choke down the vomit in my throat. This piece of trash Chris deserves all the abuse coming to him. And when his depleted corpse is lying on the side of the road with an empty wallet, leave it there as a warning to all those who pass by it.
Dumb ass feminists, without a single shred of intelligence, incapable of an ounce of original thought... Have to steal ideas from the "most hated, misogynistic forum" on the face of the planet. Pathetic. They are literally incapable of independent, original thought. They are incapable of introspection and analysis. So they must pilfer ideas and rebrand them as their own. I very much doubt they cite their sources, the parasitic bitches they are.
I was watching Kubrick/Spielberg's Artificial Intelligence the other day. I recommend it as a hopeless RedPill film about love. Not romantic love but that of a child. Regardless, one questions whether the "mother" even is capable of love. She takes a child's love out of her own selfish desire to be loved and to feel happy and complete. In the end, when his love is replaced by a better love she throws the child into the wild, alone to be preyed upon by anyone. It is a solid reminder of what a woman's love is like. Solipsistic, self-serving, and fickle.
Never get married.
Stythe 9y ago
Great article for men with a mind, a exorbantly long pile of drivel for women to waste their time with and get their feels from.
Anyway, I had a few good laughs fron this. It should be in the sidebar as a "Spot thr RP truths" exercise for the new guys. I'd like to take a second to point out that despite the fact that this woman had realised all these things, she STILL won't settle. That's the bug takeaway for me here. She passively, if not actively, telling girls that the outdated mindset of marriage 1.0 is better than what's around today because logically it makes sense, but she still won't just say it directly and do it herself. And what self-respecting guy would commit to a woman who not continues to live a life she knows isn't effective. You'd be dating The Complainer and nothing you'd ever do would be good enough because she settled.
If there's and upside, it's that guys who can see through the cracks of society will read this and it will help them dispel that idea of romantic marriage. Feminism is at the point where guys should be able to start seeing through the cracks. I hope that happens.
Duchenne4089 9y ago
This might become a problem in the future. In vitro fertilization is becoming more and more popular amongst post wall single women, and they might attempt to track down the sperm donors and make them pay or take part in the child's life. Given how generous the governments is towards women, we might be only one law away from this scenario.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
I don't think this has ANY chance to ever happen, because males would stop giving away their sperm. And this would be a catastrophe for the females, and thus, for the nanny government.
H4RV3YSP3CT3R 9y ago
UK Lawyer in training here, In the UK the sperm donor is not obligated to do shit, surrogates can't even keep babies here.
Duchenne4089 9y ago
Check out this article called Mums go online to track men who donated sperm. It's scary.
Horus_Krishna_2 9y ago
dr. Fiona Kelly there looking a lot like Edward snowden at first I was like oh man this is a conspiracy theory where the NSA tracks whose sperm is whose.
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My favorite part of TRP is being able to interpret this stuff.
It's like having the lexicon to a secret language.
Lsegundo 9y ago
It's a mixed blessing. Even though I resisted marriage for as long as I could I was a LTR guy.
I don't plan to plug back in. I'm not sure I will ever fall for someone the way I did before I "ate the fruit" from the tree of knowledge. Lately I miss the feeling that being faithful, nursing them when they are sick, giving back rubs, etc leads to a fairy tale romantic relationship.
BENDERisGRREAT 9y ago
Maybe its just me being wrong but I see nothing wrong with doing those things as long as youre doing them because YOU want to. Not because you want sex, not because she asked, or any other compromising reason.
Stythe 9y ago
The up votes for your comment show you aren't alone in that. Sadly all one can do it improve and pick a partner that's either young or simple minded enough that a marriage will work, or play the field.
I know what you mean though. Reality is totally bittersweet.
SkorchZang 9y ago
I do all those things with my plates when I got the time. When I was a kid I used to play dollhouse with this one chick from my block. She brought the dolls, I brought the bulldozer that daddy-doll rides to work in. Reason I bring it up is that after the red pill, doing those loveydovey things in an LTR context feels to me exactly like playing doll-house way back when.
Even though you're 5 yrs old, you understand it's a game. One that ends inevitably by dinnertime or whatever, and anything that happened in the doll-house that day becomes irrelevant in the larger scheme of things. Yet it's very enjoyable in small doses.
Same feeling.
homard898 9y ago
Great analogy. I do this all the time. I just choose to enjoy it for what it is.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
Should have been working on your GI Joe game.
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Lsegundo 9y ago
hahaha. Great post. I forgot about that commercial.
Lsegundo 9y ago
It is important not to overdose her on kindness and ruin her attraction for you.
stay_anon_stay_safe 9y ago
fucking hell, this is what FUCKS ME UP mate
Right now i have this girl who i want to give so much affection but i resist because i know better. What's the result? She's super attracted to me and asks me for more affection, making it super extra hard to hold back, but i have to anyway if i want this to last which i do. It just feels so wrong, especially knowing that you know better about how they will feel than they themselves do. fuck man. I think i'll just go all out with affection once i have had enough of the sex and don't mind fucking it up.
Lsegundo 9y ago
Please write a field report on your "blue pill" breakup when you intentionally get her to end it by being too nice.
redwithahintofred 9y ago
By then you may have eaten too much fruit. Be safe!
vandaalen 9y ago
Just use those things to pimp her and to allow her to behave properly.
Give them out as rewards for good behaviour and pull back and withdraw those privileges if she fails to comply with your standards.
Also never do them if you don't want to do them, for whatever reasons.
This way you cannot overdose them.
stay_anon_stay_safe 9y ago
Untrue, i have to aggressively hold back my affection because I'm a god damned romantic and i love to just smother people with it
vandaalen 9y ago
Was it convinience or accident that you left out the preciding paragraph, which is related to the text you quoted?
Lsegundo 9y ago
Use them as rewards! What a great idea.
Roaring40sUK 9y ago
Lately I miss the feeling that being faithful, nursing them when they are sick, giving back rubs, etc leads to a fairy tale romantic relationship.
Stop, just stop.. you know they never really appreciate that shit over time... Spin a plate.. guarantee you will feel better.
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He isn't doing it for them. He does it because he enjoys it. How they feel is irrelevant.
DaSquariusGreen 9y ago
Bingo. Its not necessarily about the specific things you are doing, but the reasons and the rewards. Just how giving $10 to your whining kid makes you feel like shit, but giving a disabled Vet $20 so he can get lunch might boost your day, anything can be worth it if done for your own good, and anything can be a waste if it's not. It's the guys who are suckered/indoctrinated into spending time/resource on partners not to their benefit" that are losing out.
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yallapapi 9y ago
Great breakdown of everything.
Su-Wu_Red 9y ago
This essay is one of the classics. For some reason, I was always drawn to it before I was unplugged and I shared it with all my female friends. Some loved it, and as predicted, some hated it.
darkmoon09 9y ago
Just curious, what did the ones who hated it have to say about it?
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I'm unplugged more than a year now but this makes me sick to my stomach. This is the female equivalent of the man who wants to fuck every female he sees including children, his sisters and mother. No conscience or empathy or even a sense of right and wrong whatsoever. All "me, me me !"
The comments are even more desperate. How would any sane man want to get married is beyond me. I had the good fortune to meet my now wife relatively young, and despite her being an AWALT, she is relatively sane and realistic.
maniclurker 9y ago
That park ranger shit hits home... I have seriously been having thoughts about going into that field.
I kinda have the understanding it's not a lifestyle conducive to some happy marriage, though.
edit: And then I read the part about being able to dump the kids off at the father's house for the weekend. That man probably had to fight for the right to convenience the mother with shared visitation.
Lsegundo 9y ago
Marriage is not conducive to your longterm happiness either.
VanityKings 9y ago
This post has too many RedPill confirmations not to be sidebar material
NeckbeardVirgin69 9y ago
I tend to think of an LTR as a best friend who you would have sex with.
It's amazing how different the female perspective can be.
EDIT: are there guys out there who actually think about relationships in the kind of terms as the woman in the original post? Damn I'm tired.
Eastuss 9y ago
To me LTR is about a best friend who you have sex with as often as possible according to both libido, and the goal is to both have approximatively the same libido so that none gets frustrated.
I'm in a 10 year old relationship, my wife was 17 years old back then, she always wanted to directly settle down with someone, no CC, no one night stands, no non-serious relationships. And it's common in my country, it's so weird to read all this stuff on TRP about women hypergamy, it's like a minority where I am. She doesn't seem appealed by hardcore alphas, she hasn't told it consciously but she probably likes the fact that I have both beta and alpha aspects. Enough beta traits so life is pleasant, enough alpha traits so life is not boring, I would say...
I really have hard time believing women want to settle down with men they don't wish to have sex with, at my place it's a common belief that sex is the cement of an healthy durable relationship.
PawnToKing 9y ago
I can't stop laughing while reading this. It almost seems made up. She's so oblivious, haha. Thanks for compiling this, OP.
uniquevoid 9y ago
OP interprets the text like a fucking beta
Your woman will talk shit behind your back if you allow that to happen, she will use you as a babysitter if you allow it, you will be her BB if you let that happen, you'll have a dead bedroom if you are unable to attrack your woman.
The problem I see with this subforum is that you all interpret things negatively and say you're just realistics
I know marriage isn't easy, dealing with women isn't easy but what's easy in this life?
I'll have kids and build a family with a woman and manage my shit correctly like TRP has taught me.
I won't reject stuff just because it seems hard.
Good luck plating women until your 70s. Now come at me
Lsegundo 9y ago
I disagree with the common TRP advice never have kids (only if you want to be a parent, not because society says man-up ) . Being a father is the single greatest joy in my life. That said men need to take the warnings here seriously You can do everything right and still find yourself fighting in family court to see your kids after you have one bad week, your wife gets bored, and decides to go for a ride on Chad. Good luck. AWALT to some degree. Acting properly lowers your risk. NOTHING you can do will ever make the risk go away completely.
I am still figuring out what happens as I get older. Before finding TRP I started to realize that I don't need a gf to get laid. I lost out on a couple months of hot sex by trying to LTR a few women that really just wanted to get fucked. Women are giving it up easier than ever if you act like a man. Why be her bf when I can be the guy she calls when she wants to get off? I have been in and out of enough live in relationships to know "forever" is a fairy tale. Marriage is just a way to make sure women win when it ends. l probably will end up living with someone again in the future. I will enjoy it while it lasts and move on when my turn ends.
You might find a woman and be married for decades. That is no guarantee that you wont end up divorced and dating when you arrive at 70
It is amusing you think you are going to ace all 4,932 nit picky things a woman will judge you for and at some point she won't engage in the bitch fest when only the women are around.
uniquevoid 9y ago
Rejecting LTRs is nonsense, and like you said having kids is awesome
I'll have them once I leave Europe, women are way too protected here, without fear they are awful creatures