Women on vacations in LTRs | TheRedPill

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One of my plates that I see when I'm bored told me a couple months back that she had spent a summer in Eastern Europe on vacation with her sister and a friend. She told me how she had some kind of competition with the friend of who could have the most one night stands that summer. She literally told me, "I had sex with a new person almost every single night that summer." After years of intensive dating/hooking up the bar has been set pretty high for shit that would surprise me, but this took me off guard. Here is an innocent-looking asian-american girl who straight up bragged about fucking 50-90 guys in a season right to my face. My mouth must have dropped a little bit because I could see a flash of fear wash over her face and she quickly retracted, saying, "Well, not really every night..."

Funny enough this same girl tried pressuring me to be exclusive with her a couple weeks prior to hearing her say that. LOL.

Dabble in PUA at all and you will see the preposterous amounts of cheating and how fickle women are and how fast the CC turns. Over time you might get to learn how hilariously doomed to fail LDRs are.

I'm curious to know how you guys feel about the hypothetical situation of a SO going out of town for a ladies weekend, say your GF and 1-2 of her friends go to Vegas. Would you immediate assume she's going to cheat or has cheated once she returns home?

At this point, I would. I honestly think that if a GF of mine decided to go to Vegas with her friends for a weekend that I would break up with her immediately. In my mind there is 0% chance that she would not cheat. Or any similar vacation, not necessarily Vegas.

Am I jaded or is this rational?

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LordThunderbolt 8y ago

I had a buddy of mine who's girlfriend accepted a paid flight to Canada from some older guy friend of hers. She had always wanted to go to Canada and my buddy knew about it and told her that he's working hard so that he can finance a trip for both of them. She said that he's being inconsiderate considering the opportunity just presented itself and he's stopping her from living her dream.

I told him to dump the bitch because she doesn't respect him and is obviously flying out to get fucked by that guy. He didn't listen. Well, she went and while over there my buddy was acting like an AFC, complaining to her that what she did isn't right etc and she reassured him that everything is fine. You know, usual beta relationship drama where the guy is getting walked on but instead of acting he talks and wines instead. All the while in straight up telling him that no sane man would fly out some girl across an ocean to NOT smash her walls in. He wasn't listening.

Well, a month later after she gets back, after some trickle truthing, she admits to having gotten her walls smashed in by that guy many times. My buddy finally dumps her and of course she has no remorse because it's his fault obviously.

A few months later I happen to find her FB profile and found some immediate RP red flags: pics with part of her black hair dyed blood red, hippie vegan bullshit, crystal healing bullshit, feminist bullshit etc etc.

The point is, if your girl wants to go on a trip without you...

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PantsonFire1234 8y ago

girl who straight up bragged about fucking

They think they can emulate alpha men and believe this shows equal value like it would when you would say the same thing. However it didn't, she's shooting herself in the foot. That's your textbook example of a dumb slut.

scarletspider3 8y ago

The real telling part of this is that the blue pill ???? sub doesn't see anything wrong with this extreme case of hoeing.

coffee_34 8y ago

I would just get some pussy while she's gone man.

Natural_RP 8y ago

I have been the guys that girls with boyfriends and husbands cheat on while on vacation. Shit I've had many attempts at home but mostly I dodge them unless the woman is super hot because I don't need the kind of shit around home.

Women are huge whores are vacation, full stop. If you think otherwise you have never been a single alpha dude on vacation. You almost have to beat them off.

If you girl wants to go to any Vegas style vacation (like an all inclusive in Cabo) with the girls she is probably going to slut it up. I personally would immediately dump her, but I am different from many on this forum because I demand monogamy from my plates.

As a fun post script I was banging this chick who before I met went on a bachelorette trip to Mexico. Out of the five girls that went all of them had sex except her including the bride. Disgusting right?

Oh and just so we're clear I know ALL of them got fucked but she was just playing cute for me

MisterMisogyny 8y ago

I'm curious to know how you guys feel about the hypothetical situation of a SO going out of town for a ladies weekend, say your GF and 1-2 of her friends go to Vegas.

Here you go: If she wants to travel without you...

[deleted] 8y ago

That post perfectly encapsulates my experience and the reason I posted this. +1

NightwingTRP 8y ago

Funny enough this same girl tried pressuring me to be exclusive with her a couple weeks prior to hearing her say that. LOL.

Ironically this is probably female solipsism rearing its ugly head again. She probably thought her story was impressive because "look how many men are attracted to me, I'm really high value." It wasn't until she said it and measured your response that her mind changed on that.

alvlear 8y ago

Exactly, she thinks fucking a lot of men will impress other men. It is just projection of what impresses her.

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

This. Spot on comment. She's just projecting what attracts her, which is an experienced guy. I wouldn't be surprised if this girl actually inflated her N-count. Some girls are just clueless about their femininity.

This is why I always ask about a girls boyfriends. I'm not interested in her pumps and dumps (just assume its 50+).

I want to know about the guys that actually stuck around

This is her actual league, not the guys she is fucked by. The guys that LTR'd her.

Willow-girl 8y ago

I've been married four times; does this mean I'm playing in the big leagues? lol

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

If all your husbands were hot tall ripped rich guys, then yeah. Though I doubt that. But hey, at least you convinced four men to throw their lives away for you. Which is more than a single mom ever managed to get.

Willow-girl 8y ago

Let's see, out of the four I'd say two were (objectively) hot, three were tall (although I prefer shorter men, darn it), one was ripped (construction worker, hubba hubba!), and one was rich.

And, "Throw their lives away"? Where men are concerned, I've adopted the Boy Scout's motto regarding campsites: "Always leave them better than you found them." :-)

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

(although I prefer shorter men, darn it)

don't believe that for a second.

one was ripped (construction worker, hubba hubba!)

I kinda meant army/athlete ripped but construction worker will do I guess.

And, "Throw their lives away"? Where men are concerned, I've adopted the Boy Scout's motto regarding campsites: "Always leave them better than you found them." :-)

I was joking, but yeah. All the men you had as LTR's/Marriages with are a reflection of your league and the level of guy you can attract. Those who only fucked you however, are not.

For example:

Once had a plate who tried making a fight. She went on the brag about how some guy better than me had nailed her. Instead of getting jealous or angry I just laughed and checked her off. Guys wanting to fuck you doesn't prove shit. Those that bother to stay with you however do.

Willow-girl 8y ago

Well, yeah! A lot of guys will fuck pretty much anything with a pulse if they can get away with it. I remember one of my husbands, who was retired military, telling me about an old Army buddy whose strategy was "Go ugly early," lol.)

I probably wouldn't have had so many husbands if it hadn't taken me until my 30s to figure out that I couldn't marry every guy who asked just because I didn't want to hurt his feelings! I'd figure "Why not?" then a couple years down the road figure that I'd made a horrible mistake. Not that they were bad guys -- even the first wasn't really terrible; we were just too young and both had drinking problems. All my ex's except the last went on to remarry and from what I can tell from Facebook, they're all happy with their current wives, and I'm glad for that. (The last is still single, but I doubt he's alone -- men his age with his kind of money don't need to remain alone unless they choose to, lol.)

When I left the last one, I was ready to hang up my spurs, but the man I'm with now persuaded me to give it another shot. I was actually pretty down on myself. What's the old saying? -- "You are the common denominator in all of your failed relationships"? YEAH!-- but he said, "There is nothing wrong with you; you just keep choosing the wrong men." He had known me for years so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. And whaddaya know; it seems he was right! Coming up on four years we've been together ... still very happy.

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

A lot of guys will fuck pretty much anything with a pulse if they can get away with it.

It's not an insult. You can compare it to how you women would most likely accept the time and attention of almost any guy that wanted to be your 'friend'.

I probably wouldn't have had so many husbands if it hadn't taken me until my 30s to figure out that I couldn't marry every guy who asked just because I didn't want to hurt his feelings! I'd figure "Why not?"

That's probably the most horrible reason to decide to marry I've ever heard of. Like you'd be hurting his 'feelings' way more by divorcing him later on instead of saying no.

even the first wasn't really terrible

I never understood how otherwise average looking women couldn't always speak badly about their exes. As if they were incredible losers and they weren't. You always get the "he was such a loser and I think he's still not over me!" Sometimes I still wonder if my past SO's also still believe this. It couldn't be further from the truth.

The last is still single, but I doubt he's alone -- men his age with his kind of money don't need to remain alone unless they choose to, lol.

I think he's the only clever one. Probably getting laid way more than the married ones. Bet he was the bad boy of the four.

When I left the last one, I was ready to hang up my spurs, but the man I'm with now persuaded me to give it another shot.

You sound ruined, the way you talk about bonding with men tiring you out. I'd be like me telling you I was getting tired of fucking sluts.

"You are the common denominator in all of your failed relationships"? YEAH!-- but he said, "There is nothing wrong with you; you just keep choosing the wrong men."

He's stupid, you are the common denominator in all your failed relationships. It has nothing to do with these men and rather with the way you entered these marriages.

And whaddaya know; it seems he was right! Coming up on four years we've been together ... still very happy.

You can probably chalk this up to luck or your body subconsciously realizing it's losing it's looks now that you are up your 30s. I know girls who were fucking picky when it came to guys and blew up many a relationship. Only to settle for the biggest goof in town simply because they couldn't afford playing the game anymore.

But if you're happy I guess that's fine for the moment.

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

A lot of guys will fuck pretty much anything with a pulse if they can get away with it.

It's not an insult. You can compare it to how you women would most likely accept the time and attention of almost any guy that wanted to be your 'friend'.

I probably wouldn't have had so many husbands if it hadn't taken me until my 30s to figure out that I couldn't marry every guy who asked just because I didn't want to hurt his feelings! I'd figure "Why not?"

That's probably the most horrible reason to decide to marry I've ever heard of. Like you'd be hurting his 'feelings' way more by divorcing him later on instead of saying no.

even the first wasn't really terrible

The last is still single, but I doubt he's alone -- men his age with his kind of money don't need to remain alone unless they choose to, lol.

I think he's the only clever one. Probably getting laid way more than the married ones. Bet he was the bad boy of the four.

When I left the last one, I was ready to hang up my spurs, but the man I'm with now persuaded me to give it another shot.

You sound ruined, the way you talk about bonding with men tiring you out. I'd be like me telling you I was getting tired of fucking sluts.

"You are the common denominator in all of your failed relationships"? YEAH!-- but he said, "There is nothing wrong with you; you just keep choosing the wrong men."

He's stupid, you are the common denominator in all your failed relationships. It has nothing to do with these men and rather with the way you entered these marriages.

And whaddaya know; it seems he was right! Coming up on four years we've been together ... still very happy.

But if you're happy I guess that's fine for the moment.

Willow-girl 8y ago

That's probably the most horrible reason to decide to marry I've ever heard of. Like you'd be hurting his 'feelings' way more by divorcing him later on instead of saying no. -- Well, I didn't envision divorcing them at the time! I always figured it would work out somehow.

I never understood how otherwise average looking women couldn't always speak badly about their exes. -- Well, in all fairness, my first husband had a violent temper and was abusive. (Punched me in the face one time, damn near broke my nose. You bleed a lot when you get punched in the nose, BTW.) But even he wasn't truly a bad guy -- he'd had a rough childhood that led to a drinking problem. After we split up, he straightened up and became a model citizen, from what I hear. (He died at 30 from a heart attack.)

I think he's the only clever one. Probably getting laid way more than the married ones. Bet he was the bad boy of the four. -- Hmm no, not really. He'd had a very good career, was into investing and quite wealthy. He's what would be called a "Beta Bux" here! Listening to his tales of the past, it was apparent his previous wives/partners had been using him for his money. Now, everyone looking at us probably though "gold-digger with sugar daddy," but actually I felt sorry for the dude! He wasn't happy; he didn't know how to live. Unfortunately I discovered that happiness is kinda non-transferable, and over time, I was becoming more like him than the other way around, which scared the hell out of me. I didn't like the person I was becoming in his world, so I left it. Poor guy had put my name on everything he owned and was probably sweating bullets until I signed it all back over again! We're still buds I guess -- I just had an email from him last week. All my breakups have been friendly, and I usually keep in touch occasionally with my ex's unless their wives shut that down, lol.

You sound ruined, the way you talk about bonding with men tiring you out. -- No, it wasn't the "bonding" part that was tiring me out. I'd moved 400 miles to be with my last husband, sold a farm and left a job I loved. I was tired of starting all over again.

He's stupid, you are the common denominator in all your failed relationships. It has nothing to do with these men and rather with the way you entered these marriages. -- Well, there is that, but mostly I have a slightly unusual kind of lifestyle (I'm not referring to anything sexual here) that not everyone is down with. My third husband gave it a shot, but wanted to bail a few years later. My fourth husband wasn't interested in it at all, but I thought I could carry on with my own life on the side -- keep one foot in my world and one in his -- but it was exhausting. My current partner shares the same lifestyle and has been doing it a long time, longer than I have in fact, so I'm not too worried about him bailing.

You can probably chalk this up to luck or your body subconsciously realizing it's losing it's looks now that you are up your 30s. -- No, actually I knew my current partner as a friend for years before we hooked up and always thought he was awesome! But we were both with other people, so of course I kept that to myself, LOL. Sometimes it still amazes me that we're finally together. When we got together, mutual friends generally said, "Took you guys long enough!"

Usecod 8y ago

Women are pogrammed to cheat.So the question is when she will cheat,not whether.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

According to the red pill, men's nature is to spread their seed and get with many women as possible, but women are the ones programmed to cheat?

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AttackOnKvothe 8y ago

It's what happens when women stop being impregnated, and sex is a activity done for fun rather than procreation.

The roles are reversed, it's no longer necesary to commit, as you can maintain yourself (office girls) and you can avoid unnecesarry burdens (condoms, pills, etc..)

So, girls are now the demanded thing, because sex is viewed by many as the highest valuable "thing" in society, and only girls can willingly give it.

Before, where having a family was the most demanded thing, and women couldnt work in regular jobs, men were demanded because every girl needed a good husband.

The times have changed.

[deleted] 8y ago

Let me put it to you this way

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

Yep. Alpha fucks, beta bucks.

Get pregnant by Chad Thundercock, but get Dependable Doofus to "man up" and pay for everything. Not necessarily in that order.

Women need 2 things: The best DNA that she can get, and resources for when she's pregnant and a couple of years after. Rare is it when these come out of the same man, hence, women's dual mating strategy (hypergamy).

mattstreet 8y ago

So what explains women who get sterilized and make about the same amount of money you do?

casemodsalt 8y ago

All women have their slut phase.

Then some learn to keep it secret because of justified slut shaming.

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

It ranges up from reasonably respectable girl to gangbang slut. It's not just a phase. Just like some guys can be super alpha, lesser alpha, higher beta or beta cuck max. Girls have a range of sluttiness as well.

I've met girls who were huge cumdumpsters and others who only got fucked ten guys or something. Both were sluts but only one of them could get into porn without feeling a thing.

[deleted] 8y ago

I know most girls are pretty slutty these days, but she may be on her own level

TimeNdevotion 8y ago

There would be minus 15% chance she wouldn't cheat :)

[deleted] 8y ago

Both. Just being honest. I'm jaded too, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

In most cases a woman will cheat. Sure there are the 1/100 that won't, but why gamble on that? Outliers do not make the rule.

Just end it and if she takes issue just cut her off. Sometimes shit isn't worth the stress regardless how it turns out.

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[deleted] 8y ago

For a one-time occurrence, perhaps it's lower. Her going on vacation like that is symptomatic for a much larger issue, one that will 100% fuck you over in the not so distant future.

Jax77789 8y ago

I ran into the exact same problem. The thing is this plate of yours who binge fucks in vacation probably rotates you with other dicks when she is in town. Pretending to be OK with it as one user suggests is not really a good option. A fuck buddy she will be but you will just be a pawn on her chessboard and the risk of STDs just sky rockets, not to mention the 1000 cock stare she surely has now.

Then if you are aware that she sleeps around that much you are making a cuck of yourself because you accept to let other men fuck your plate so that you can continue fucking her. It is in and of itself an admission that you are not enough for her. That could also be that she has a serious problem and that she sleeps around out of psychological issues but most likely sticking around will make you look like a cuck.

Ask yourself, fucking and gaming a girl in Alpha mode means she is the one chasing you and she is the one afraid of losing you. You have to dominate her in body and mind. Absent that you are but a replaceable dick amidst 10,000. How can you be in the mood to fuck her good if you know that yesterday another dude railed her and that tomorrow another one will do her ? How can you have a good sex experience if you know that a few hours after you she will be yelling another guy's name during intercourse ?

After taking some advice on this forum I decided it was better to leave this whore.

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

If he can pull it off bro then more power to him. I personally get too attached and I'm working on my scarcity mentality.

But it doesn't get any better than the situation he's already in. And life isn't always a TRP ideal. So let him do his thing, he can end it whenever he feels like it.

[deleted] 8y ago

I have 3 plates right now that I can call up and have riding on my dick any day or time of my choosing, and other girls that hit me up for sex that I have been denying lately. I don't give the slightest shred of a fuck that they are probably all fucking other guys. I would be shocked to learn that they aren't.

The fact is these days I'm so focused on marathon training and my studies in school that I mostly ignore women and only hit a particular girl up occasionally if I need a release. Many of these girls I'm actually friends with as well.

polakfury 8y ago

How did you initiate with those plates to get to where you are today where you can just phone them up.

smirk_addict 8y ago

OP you are not jaded. You sound very rational to me. We all know generally that women don't have to work for sex. They don't need charisma, social value, charm, courage to approach, and they don't need to know how engage in conversation. Mix that with alcohol, and what you have is someone indulging themselves in something that requires no effort and constant alleviating themselves of any type of responsibility. It's just never good for a man to invest in a woman that has sex devoid of stong emotional commitment and investment from a man, but then wants those things from you. Never.

I seriously think the best women for LTRs are the introverted girls that don't drink. But from my experience, half of them wish they could be the unstable loud girl that gets wasted and fucks a lot of guys. They don't even know their own value.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

Anybody else see Ali Wong Baby Cobra? RP truth all through it.

SetConsumes 8y ago

Like the only female comedian I've truly enjoyed.

phantomlordd 8y ago

This was the trigger that opened my eyes to how women can be immoral and that there are no unicorns.
I was in a relationship with a girl that apparently was everything I was looking for. She was really beautiful, smart, innocent-looking and a little shy. Her family was solid, good people. In the beginning of our relationship, everything looked perfect. We kissed passionately and laughed a lot together. We really connected and she was really into me. Or so I thought...
One day she said she was going on a trip with her friends during the weekend. It bothered me, but I thought "nevermind, she likes me and she is a good girl". When she came back things were different. She still talked to me normally, but she was avoiding every fucking chance to hang out with me. After two weeks trying and failing to go out with her (she always had an excuse), I decided to give up and wait her to search for me. Guess what? She didn't. We stopped talking completely. Just some weeks after that, she was already posting pictures on facebook of her and friends in a party.
I was absolutely devasted and angry. I thought I had found the perfect girl, the one who would fulfill my bluepill dreams and suddenly she showed that she was a fucking whore. In less than a month after her trip, our relationship died.
At least, after that shit show, I decided to change and swallow the pill. Don't ever trust a woman, even those innocent-looking, shy and smart girls with structured families. They will dump you mercilessly for a better Chad without thinking twice.

[deleted] 8y ago

It's fucking brutal to experience, but it's necessary. We grow from this shit while they squander their youth riding the CC. Invest in yourself and the tables will turn.

phantomlordd 8y ago

Absolutely. There is no shame in going through this shit and becoming a better man after. Most of my successful friends have a similar story. Actually, girls should be ashamed of this kind of behaviour, but society condone it and there is nothing we can do, so better to keep our eyes open and learn how to play the game.

RoyG28 8y ago

You should be careful with that one.High risk for STDs.

[deleted] 8y ago

I get tested regularly and 100% always wear condoms with plates.

zboo1h 8y ago

You were good up until you pleaded for validation with your last line.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

hypothetical situation of a SO going out of town for a ladies weekend, say your GF and 1-2 of her friends go to Vegas. Would you immediate assume she's going to cheat or has cheated once she returns home?

Dude. How long have you been on this sub? Read the sidebar yet?

Of course she's going to cheat.

[deleted] 8y ago

Ever since I've learned Game, and how to push the right buttons, women's feral nature depresses me. I've had women that just got married begging me to fuck them. Nothing surprises me anymore.

kanyewost 8y ago

what is this depressing shit yall cry about? it's awesome, there's now no reason to waste your time on shit you know DOES NOT work and move all focus to making money, doing shit that DOES work with women and making your goals, dreams come true while enjoying life...lol its only depressing for the chode group of dudes lining up at a club to get nothing for the millionth time haha fuck them

TheReformist94 8y ago

Its so fucked up.even men aren't this easily swayed.

[deleted] 8y ago

Agreed it is depressing. I had a woman who was separated from her husband. I do no like being the other guy so I quiz her about if there is any chance they will reconcile etc. She assures me it is over for good with no chance she will go back to him. So we start fucking, acting a bit loved up etc. A month later she tells me she fucked her hubby that weekend because she was "ovulating". I demote her to fuck buddy and move on with my other plates. She continues to visit me and fuck me senseless (she had a voracious appetite, she would wake me 3-4 times per night for more sex). Then she tells me her hubby has moved back in but can I please get her pregnant, she wants my baby but him to pay for everything. Women cannot help but act like lying manipulative sluts. I am always ready to end any relationship with a woman at a seconds notice now. First sign of trouble and it is over

AudiRS4Avant 8y ago

I would have fucking told her hubby and ruined that gold-digger skank. Don't let women do that to us, Beta or not we need to stand together.

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[deleted] 8y ago

There was no way I was going to get her pregnant. I used to make her spit it into a cup and not leave the room. I kept custody of my precious seed. I had no contact with her hubby and it is really none of my business. I stopped seeing her when I found out she was back with hubby.

Your_Coke_Dealer 8y ago

There's something called 'swallowing', which women should do instead of being a ~~spitter~~quitter

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

I really do agree with your morals here but the problem I've read about is that they're not always going to believe you over the wife. Depends how blue they are.

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[deleted] 8y ago

Can confirm. Had a friend in high school who's girlfriend cheated on him with 5+ guys. Every time we'd tell him he'd get angry and never believe us...though he finally did after his best friend fingered her just to prove what a whore she was. Good times.

Baconer 8y ago

Telling her hubby is bad advise. You don't know how he will react.

[deleted] 8y ago

Yeah. The husband might decent to go after him and beat him up, instead of just thanking him for exposing his wife.

AudiRS4Avant 8y ago

You're right. He's a Beta and will take the woman side.

throwawayguy151 8y ago

ever since i discovered this sub and started matching my experiences with others here, i think i have become more angry and depressed than i ever have in my life

[deleted] 8y ago

Don't worry. it gets worse.

coffee_34 8y ago

You're going through the "anger phase" of the red pill. Everyone has to go through it.

This is medicine, bro. It's gonna hurt & feel bad, but you'll be better off because of it. Eventually you will transcend from "anger" to "not giving a fuck," which is where you want to be. Trust me.

Not giving a fuck makes you a lot of fun to be around, and yet you're still a cold motherfucker. It's the perfect combination.

artosispylon1 8y ago

it gets worse before it gets better

redpillbanana 8y ago

They don't call it the "anger phase" for nothing.

mojo_juju 8y ago

One step closer to freedom.

Denial

Anger

Bargaining <-- you are here...-ish

Depression

Acceptance

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

I've been here a year and sometimes I feel good but most of the time I am just mentally distraught.

The difference is I haven't had much success with girls yet. Maybe once I get that out of the way I'll stop putting so much importance on it.

What annoys me personally is my friends who have always had good LTRs. They're not redpill but they naturally know the score and didn't need to read shit like this to try and have any success.

StraightGlueWater 8y ago

I have friends who had a natural gift for getting girls and social life in general. Just the cards they got dealt. Gotta work with what you got.

Don't devalue yourself because you have to work at something others are naturally good at.

I was a socially inept person for most of my life. Now I have a pretty solid grasp of it, and I'm lightyears better at reading people and creating attraction. It took a lot of reading and dedicated effort, which feels gay since it's something that we are supposed to know innately. But fuck it. My head was too in the clouds growing up to find teen drama interesting, so I never learned how to play the game.

As for getting successful with girls.. are you trying? Tinder. Use Tinder and play the aloof guy who fucks a lot. 49 women will shoot you down, but 1 will buy what you're selling.

Lsegundo 8y ago

With hard work you may surpass your natural friends someday.

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

I'm honestly truly grateful I found TRP and took on what it has to offer. It offers the opportunity for real greatness. Whether it's possible is down to the individual.

mojo_juju 8y ago

You found the pill. One step closer to freedom. Now figure out where you are on the stages of acceptance, and keep trucking until you're there

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

Been stuck between depression and acceptance for a long time, nearly a year. Think I need to better secure my basic needs before going after girls and other things.

coffee_34 8y ago

Fuck girls. Do it for yourself, man. The girls will come naturally to a man who lives for himself.

You said something about basic needs. Check out Maslow's Hierachy of Human Needs.

Physiological needs - Food, water, shelter

Safety - Feeling safe

Love/Belonging - Human connection. Friends and girls.

Esteem - Feeling good about yourself.

Self-Actualization - This is the top level. You're living to your full potential.

These all feed into each other.

For example,

If you don't eat or have shelter, you can't feel safe.
If you don't feel safe, you can't have good human connections.
Without good human connections, you can't feel good about yourself.
If you don't feel good about yourself, you can't realize your full potential.

Figure out where you are on the pyramid, and work on that area of your life. Then let it build.

StraightGlueWater 8y ago

It passes. I'm 3 years on the other side, and life is grand. You'll meet women who anger you, but you'll also meet some diamonds in the rough who you can polish up and really enjoy as company.

After awhile, you stop reading the anger phase posts on TRP and focus on theory and just general social dynamic knowledge.

GroundhogLiberator 8y ago

Fuck that. I'm not polishing shit. If I can't enjoy a woman's company when we meet, I'll never put in effort to enjoy her company. We don't have enough time on this earth to occupy ourselves with fixing women who can and will walk away the minute they've improved enough to find a man that's even the least bit better.

StraightGlueWater 8y ago

That's one school of thought, but you'd be surprised how open to being molded a girl is when she's with a man she respects.

kanyewost 8y ago

Well if you couldn't find it before its because your were blue-pilled as fuck so you weren't a catch to anyone before....

[deleted] 8y ago

To be fair, if you're a man who had to work on himself to become a badass, you're not likely to find a badass girl who got that way by herself. You usually need to start with a good prospect, good raw material if you will, and shape her into a partner you'd be proud to walk next to. Just know it's never forever.

GroundhogLiberator 8y ago

You just proved my point and it's fucking depressing. If I find a high-quality girl, she's high-quality because some other guy invested in her. Some guy that she was only involved with until she finished improving.

[deleted] 8y ago

You're spot on sadly. But if you continue to improve you'll be able to build them higher and the ones you lose often come back, though you probably won't want them. You can argue there's no point, but you can also argue there's no point to anything. Eventually the Sun will blow up and after that there's always the heat death of the Universe.

Live a life you'll be proud of and have fun doing it. Maintain strong personal boundaries/integrity and you will never regret the relationships you forge with people, even if they are just temporary.

RPmatrix 8y ago

don'y worry bro, stick around here and it will help it go away .,.. you can look back in 12mths and laugh

GroundhogLiberator 8y ago

Anger and depression are cyclical. Two years ago I was skinnyfat and angry, a year ago I was bulky and laughing, now I'm ripped and sad.

RPmatrix 8y ago

haha bro, you're right, it's cyclical in ways, but do you know 'why you're angry and sad' right now?

In a way, without the contrast of other feelings, like anger, we'd forget to appreciate how good 'bulky and laughing' can be

Sounds to me you're just living your own life, and in doing so are making realizations many/most guys your age wouldn't have a clue about ,, and this saddens me and it can make Me angry too when I see some pathetic orbiters with oneitis Or, even more so, fucking righteous SJW's ... grrrr, I want to explain to them how they're doing more harm than good, but as I know then Best thing about banging your head against a wall ... is stopping, I think I'll avoid starting in the first place!

I'm 50 bro, and looking back on my life I'm SO glad I've led a life of some Major 'ups and downs' ... and I've had some of the Most Amazing, wonderful experiences a human could,

But:

I don't think I would've Truly appreciated them had I not also had some pretty fucking awefully shitty times inm my Life too ,,, and TBH a few weeks ago for about a week, I was Pissed Off Big Time,, but I could'bt figure out why! I Hate that. So I did my best to stay chill and kept thinking to myself "this too shall pass" and sure enough, a week or so later I wake up one morning .... and everything's somehow 'all better' again!

IDK this shit happens, however I have learned over my Life how important our diets are AND how Very Important having enough Magnesium in our diets ( At least 500mgs per day) as our brains use it to help keep our brains "calm" and stop it from getting "overexcited" and having things like "anxiety attacks"

Sadly the 'average person' only gets about 200mgs p/d IF they're lucky, so you Really do need to take a supplement, and 800-1000mgs p/d is a good dose to begin on for a few weeks, to help your brain 'catch up'

But you will notice the effects of taking 1000mgs of Mg in an hour, and it's better at calming you and helping you stay calm' than 10mgs of valium and equally as good as smoking some weed, but without any stone

I've got Lots of 'techinical sources' about it, if anyone wants them, just pm me; So far, the 20+ people who have told me they've got 'anxiety issues' that have taken this advice have ALL come back with Big thanks for sharing the love, coz the shit Works yet you'll never have dr telling you about it! (sadly)

It's the Best $10 you'll Ever spend bro, you'll feel 'better' within a few hours, it's amazing how fast it works on a Mg depleted brain!

Nothing ventured nothing gained bro

TL:DR" SO why are you feeling ripped and sad? Do you know what's bringing you down?

[deleted] 8y ago

After sadness will come ambivalence, hopefully thats when you enter IDGAF and can just enjoy the show. Remember, if a car has 5 gears and is meant for road racing, does it make sense to expect it to have 6 gears and do well offroad? No right?! So why expect things from women that they werent programmed for like unconditional affection. Thats what really makes guys sad i think, the realization that unlike us men, women dont appreciate things for what they are, only for how they make women feel.

[deleted] 8y ago

Can confirm. When I first began reading this sub around a year or two ago, it had me so pissed and anxious I could barely sleep after reading the stories. Then over time I calmed down because I realized that I was in full control over how much power I gave women over my life.

mojo_juju 8y ago

One step closer to freedom.

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance <-- you are here

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throwawayguy151 8y ago

heres the thing. im not like most guys here. im short and i have a small dick. women have laughed in my face and rejected me right after sex. it fucking sucked as it is.

then i ventured here and read about women and started realizing that things starting cross matching from my experiences and reading. you normal guys have it shitty as it is because of women in general.

i have it immensely worse to the point where i realized i should stop trying. i never cared to have sex that often like some guys here because im just not that thirsty but the things that get me is that my imagined picture of happiness would have included a woman i could trust and cuddle with. when i realized that would never happen it just fucking hit me very hard.

actually i dont even want to be near women anymore.

RPmatrix 8y ago

bro, you sound to me like a pretty cool and 'self aware' man ... who's possibly being a little hard on himself (short with a small dick, have been used by women i.e. they laughed in your face

Trust me bro, do you think ANY of those things phase a guy like Danny De Vito or the short/dwarf Lannister dude who's name I forget ... he's actually a really nice guy off set ... he came to terms with the 'cards he had to play' and by 'owning them' has made the most of it.

Now, imho,, that's very RP behaviour!

As far as the women are concerned, you say you 'don't want to be around them any more' ... it almost makes me laugh as, being one of the older terpers here, who's had a pretty successfull time with women for most of ihs life ... I feel the same way!

And as the saying goes "I couldn't be fucked" playing the 'game of Get the Cunt' ,, until I see/hear some woman do something uniquely 'female' (not 'feminine') and it can trigger old memories of 'very cool women I've been with' and I get a bit nostalgic for a few minutes ...

and then I realize it's 2016 and most people under 30yo (aka 'millenials') have a very self centered outlook on like, the "it's ALL about Me" club -- a fairly new social phenomena that was born in the US and "sold" via the likes of Paris Hilton's "School of deportment" which has now been followed by a bunch of twats, like the Kardashians! -- arrrghh I Hate it! And it's SO 'murican But like most things from the US, has made it to many 'far corners of the world". When Gangham Style reached 1 Billion hits and is YT's most watched video ... I think I puked up a little! WTF?

However, self aware people are less likely to be this way and that 5% of people similar to you will greatly appreciate "you for yourself, warts, small dick and all!" and will let you know, and maybe one or two might be like this cute 23yo paramedic I met the other day ... If you were a guy she liked, I honestly doubt she'd care about your height and length!

Just keep an open mind mate ... and hang in here coz we Are your mates here at TRP telling it how we seee it

take it easy broo

TheTrenTrain 8y ago

How small is your cock bro?

RPmatrix 8y ago

propbably not as small as yours ... roid boy Tren, although you've probably got bigger tits than him lol

TheTrenTrain 8y ago

"Roids" don't make your dick shrink you fucking idiot

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JesusTheThird3 8y ago

How small we talkin'?

You lived on a fantasy... It doesn't exist for you as much as it doesn't exist for anyone. You miss the days where ignorance was your bliss.

throwawayguy151 8y ago

i do miss those days alot. im around 4" maybe 4.5" on a good day. and somewhere between 4"-4.5" girth. ive had shit experiences.

and yes you are right. part of me misses my childhood the most because none of this shit mattered. ignorance was bliss

Willow-girl 8y ago

Some advice from a woman who is probably old enough to be your mother: There are two ways to get a girl off. One is to have a dick long enough to hit her G-spot, but if you don't, don't worry, because Mother Nature gave you a back-up plan called the clitoris! :-D

If your equipment is a bit on the small side, compensate by working on the rest of your game -- fingers, tongue, foreplay, teasing, toys, whatever.. The idea is to get the girl so worked up that as soon as you stick it in, she'll orgasm (if not beforehand, heh).

Most women don't really care all that much about how we get off, as long as we get off, and there are lots of ways to get us off.

Now, go forth and slay, young fellow!

RPmatrix 8y ago

There are two ways to get a girl off. One is to have a dick long enough to hit her G-spot,

what 3" long, the 'G-spot' is just above/beside the pubic bone which I can easily reach with my finger

Are you still a virgin, who could be "old enough to be our mothers" but has yet to be fucked? You NEED to Learn much more than you know ...

coz You're wrong about needing a long dick to hit a G spot -- have you never heard "long and thin gets it in BUT short and thick does the trick"?

I didn't think so

BTW, WTF's with all these women commenting her at TRP? We're here to AVOID hearing the solopsistic crap women spout .. like your G spot bullshit

Willow-girl 8y ago

Nope, I hadn't heard that one before! Let's hope the dude isn't short and thin, lol.

Also, re: G-spot, it's possible that women are all built a little differently down there, just as men are. 3" inches isn't going to trip my trigger, even if you have the girth of a can of frozen orange juice concentrate, lol. I think the rest of my advice still stands -- if you don't have an impressive dick (and even if you do), it's good to have a couple of other techniques in your bag of tricks. No?

mojo_juju 8y ago

All that means is you need to find a population of small people.

There's nothing wrong with you at all. Humans like all animals have body morphology within a certain spectrum (i.e. distribution, standard normal distribution in this case). Find a chick at your point in the spectrum & shorter. Simple. Don't get pissed about it, just develop what you can: your skills, your mind, your personality.

Take the cards you have and play them to the best of your ability bro.

It's like I told a friend of mine in college who talked about banging underage girls: "Dude, just bang a small girl. It's the same feeling: small tight twat. You don't need to go bang minors in another country to get your jollies... just bang short petite chicks, wtf, duh."

Selfishaltruist181 8y ago

So true mojo, I'm pretty sure the ancient Greeks preferred a smaller penis's and thought that large ones were disgusting (so they made their statues with smaller genitals), that could just be some bs I heard, but it does illustrate my point.

RPmatrix 8y ago

"vague hearsay" never proves anything ... and yes, while you're right that in art large penii were seen as vulgar, have you ever seen a representation of Priapus' dick? (it's horse sized!)

Selfishaltruist181 8y ago

Well vague enough for you to back up my point and agree with me. For some reason that made me chuckle.

[deleted] 8y ago

I had the exact same experience as you. It's part of becoming disillusioned. I went through what you're feeling for about 6 months until I started becoming happier with myself. I see the world and women through an entirely new lens and things have never felt so easy and clear. It's a journey my friend. Pump your brain and body with good influences and you will grow far stronger.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Why do men get angry and depressed? Because they realise by nature women aren't innocent? That they also use men through means of sex and exploitation? That society can lie and be deceptive when it perceives women as 'good' and victims?

RPmatrix 8y ago

Because they realise by nature women aren't innocent

"we men" here at TRP already know this and as you're a female, "what's new?" .. AWALT duh!

so kindly go back to a sub where you belong.

becoz all these Obvious comments you're making seem to me an "attention seeking ploy" made by a girl who thinks she knows all about men

GTFO and read the fucking RP sidebar before spouting your shit here

mojo_juju 8y ago

Stages of Acceptance, Wikipedia, Kübler-Ross Model

The 5 stages of grief and loss are: 1. Denial and isolation; 2. Anger; 3. Bargaining; 4. Depression; 5. Acceptance. People who are grieving do not necessarily go through the stages in the same order or experience all of them.

The stages of grief and morning are universal and are experienced by people from all walks of life, across many cultures. Mourning occurs in response to an individual’s own terminal illness, the loss of a close relationship, or to the death of a valued being, human or animal. There are five stages of grief that were first proposed by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross in her 1969 book On Death and Dying.

source: http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-5-stages-of-loss-and-grief/

[deleted] 8y ago

Because of shameless hypergamy and the free pass women get for a broad range of fucked behavior.

They become angry and depressed because of how badly they want to provide a beautiful woman with an exciting and comfortable life but know that no matter how hard they try they will almost definitely get deceived, used, taken advantage of, and cheated on. It's very hard to come to terms with initially.

I'm not saying it's a one-way street, that many men aren't complete fuckheads sometimes, but with how society and gender relations are structured it is far more common place for women to destroy the lives of good, honest, loving men. It isn't that women are innately evil or premeditating this shit. It's simply a fact that they are usually in a stronger position to be under handed and get away with it. Again, very hard to accept when all you want is to love and honor your woman/commitment

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Well, there's your issue, stop pivoting around beautiful women. Take Jimmy Soul's advice- 'get an ugly girl to marry you.' Okay, jokes aside, although I don't agree that it is far more common for women to 'destroy lives,' I would agree that there is a lot of injustice towards men that isn't paid a lot of attention to.

Natural_RP 8y ago

If you think only beautiful women are shitty you're fucking hilarious. First off women want alpha men which has a lot more requirements than what guys want from women which is basically skinny and hot.

Anyways I've "dated" from 10s to 6s and guess what? The 6s were just and entitled, bitchy and useless (other than fucking) as the 10s-8s were. So in the end if they are all the same level of shitty I might as well be fucking the hot ones.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

You're probably just as much of a shitty person. Women want alpha men because they're confident, not naggy and not bitchy. They don't need to sleep around and have sex to boost their confidence, and so they don't base their manhood through sex and don't rely on women to boost their egos. Which also makes them more committed and unlikely to cheat.

Natural_RP 8y ago

Your attempts to link ego to promiscuity are cute, but don't pass the smell test. Nice try though.

RPmatrix 8y ago

she's attention whoring bro, etc

Either ignore her Dumb Remarks or do as I did and report her, don't feed her ego by replying!

[deleted] 8y ago

And that's what this sub is about. Learning to put yourself first and minimize your downside with the opposite sex.

OneRedYear 8y ago

ugly girls do the same shit bro. its always an uglier fatter dude blowing her head up. Seen it. Every woman has someone who will fuck them. Gross but true.

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[deleted] 8y ago

In my mind there is 0% chance that she would not cheat.

Then you should not be in a serious relationship with such a person.

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Veritas_potissimum 8y ago

It doesn't matter if she actually cheats or not. Once your LTR has decided that going on a trip alone is acceptable behaviour, the relationship is over and she can never reach LTR status again.

mehdreamer 8y ago

The good thing is that these sluts are usually proud of their "achievements". They see it as being part of "Strong and independent".

They reveal this kind of information to us and that is a great service they're giving to us, so that we know to never LTR/marry them.

A clever slut would do anything to hide her N-count...but some sluts are just stupid and just gives your the rope with which you'll hang them.

KolaDesi 8y ago

The good thing is that these sluts are usually proud of their "achievements". They see it as being part of "Strong and independent".

That's literally what TRP teaches... to males.

BoyWhoreWithASword 8y ago

lmao this is so true... i banged a chick a couple weeks ago within an hour of meeting her, we danced at the bar and went straight to my place.

we hooked up a couple more times after that and she was trying to ask me what other girls i had hooked up with recently. she told me she had banged 2 other guys in the last couple of weeks and how she got "lucky" it's funny to me the way she sounded proud about it.

of course in my head i solidified her in the slut category she was already put in

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[deleted] 8y ago

"when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"...I think is closer.

chugged1 8y ago

Yeah that sounds more accurate :D

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

My oneitis told me all her slut ways. I never understood the motivation behind it. It was the end of our time and I'd gone from Chad to Bob and she wanted to see if I'd orbit her. I didn't understand why she was telling me all this shit, I just ended contact the next day and she did a full 180 on everything she said.

Dumb sluts.

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

I can relate, same thing happened here. I think they do it because they want to cause a fight which ends up in a break up. They think that telling you this shit will hurt your pride. They don't realize that they are lowering their value in your eyes. Kind of like when you went from Chad to Bob.

You suddenly switch back to Chad because heck 'turned out to be another Ho' and suddenly she panics because she can't understand what caused this sudden disinterest.

Smart sluts can turn out to be dumb sluts.

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

Yeah I still don't understand totally what happened. Had many different theories but what you've mentioned is the one I have settled on.

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

It fucks with your head right? Trying to understand the reason why. At first I figured she wanted to hurt me. But she must have known I'd view her like a huge slut afterward. So why the sudden 180 when I show disinterest? The theory I ended up with made the most sense but I will never truly understand.

After that moment you never look at them the same way. I remember feeling reasonably Oneitis for the girl and then poof, it was gone. I had zero issues nexting her, all that's left is disappointment.

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

It's funny that we feel disappointment over such revelations and behaviour. And this perspective is just something they seem completely unable to understand (in the scenarios we have discussed at least).

The same way TRP is our attempt at understanding their perspective of us and the world, they simply can't understand the perhaps 'biological' reaction we have upon hearing of their promiscuity. Maybe I'm still too naive.

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

I think it's kind of like we didn't fully understand how losing frame and turning out to be beta caused their biological reaction. Like we sort of knew, but didn't know for sure until finding TRP. Because women kept telling us they wanted a 'nice' guy. Women are probably in the same boat because every guy keeps telling her they want a slut.

Though gauging from your story, mine and those who compared I found that women actually make these revelations near the end of a relationship. So my guess is that they either 1. don't care anymore or 2. are in panic. It's funny though that they always change their minds once you've dropped them like a dirty shoe. I mean they must know by then.

smirk_addict 8y ago

Could you elaborate? It sounds like your experience is something we could learn from.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Maybe because she thought you were an open minded person who understands that all people are sexual and won't judge them. Clearly she was wrong. Well done for ending it with her, you helped her swerve a dickhead

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PantsonFire1234 8y ago

I guess you don't understand that men don't think like you do. When you tell us about your sluttish past we put you in the 'slut' basket. And we will treat you as such.

But if you appear genuine, plugged in men might believe you are not polluted yet. You actually believe you got someone who's worth more than a cheap fuck. Then this person unloads a beehive off bullshit on you and basically turns out a cheap Ho.

What you fail to realize is that men are hurting to at that moment. I'm sure you want a strong, succesfull, experienced and confident man don't you? It would suck if your boyfriend of two + years turns out to be a lying loser. Same with us, we want an untainted good looking feminine girl.

Women can cry and scream all they want. We will never be attracted to sluts in the same way. We might fuck them allot but that's all we will ever do. Once you've given your womb to multiple men you are essentially worth nothing.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Seriously? So you meet a girl, you think she's awesome, funny, doing well with herself, kind, whatever. Then she tells you that she's had some cock, the way you have also fucked around. And now suddenly, she's this tainted, dirty person whose horrible and mean and got no life? Jesus clit smashing fuck. News flash- people love sex. It feels great. It's awesome. Maybe some of those people who get around do have mommy or daddy issues, but if you think every women who loves cock is useless, then goodluck dude. Start dying your hair now and going gay. Your mentality and perspective of life is sad. No wonder you people here are so angry.

Edit: although the same can be said for men. Women don't want to date guys whose dicks have been everywhere. Maybe fuck him, but not date him. He's probably got self esteem issues, commitment issues and more likely to cheat.

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

Seriously? So you meet a girl, you think she's awesome, funny, doing well with herself, kind, whatever. Then she tells you that she's had some cock, the way you have also fucked around. And now suddenly, she's this tainted, dirty person whose horrible and mean and got no life?

Exactly, this is how men are wired. It's not a voluntary reaction, I've had girlfriends in the past who turned out to have lied to me and I really wanted to still like them but I couldn't.

the way you have also fucked around.

She ain't me. When a key unlocks many a door it's a master key, when a lock is opened by many keys it's a shitty lock. It's my evolutionary imperative to fuck as many bitches possible. If I'm succesfull at this it actually shows a girl I have some hustle.

For a girl to do the same simply means she allowed herself to be used by multiple men. Women give sex and men take it. Men give commitment and women take it. It's the balance of life. You might not like the truth but nature doesn't give two shits about your emotions. If you're a Ho you are worth less than a virgin. Simple.

Jesus clit smashing fuck. News flash- people love sex. It feels great. It's awesome.

Either you're a girl who has had allot of cock and you're trying to tell yourself that is okay. While you know deep inside that it is not. I promise you that you will be telling yourself this lie until the day you die. But it won't matter because no matter what you say, men will look at you differently once you reveal yourself a slut. Go outside and try it, I can promise you that.

Edit: although the same can be said for men. Women don't want to date guys whose dicks have been everywhere. Maybe fuck him, but not date him. He's probably got self esteem issues, commitment issues and more likely to cheat.

My god your hamster is going fast. First you argue my point and tell me I'm sad and shortsighted. And now you try to flip the script and try telling me that it's actually women who don't like a guy who slept around. Bullshit man, you are living in a dreamworld.

Men have no womb so there's no evolutionary reason women should have evolved to de-select promiscuous men. Men also don't have the hormones that cause desire to bond after sex, whilst women do. So we don't get psychological problems from fucking around. It's biological, look it up if the truth doesn't scare you.

Women don't fuck men, men fuck women. You fell for all this gender equality bullshit whilst secretly trying to be a guy. You got a big case of penis envy.

He's probably got self esteem issues, commitment issues and more likely to cheat.

The only reason a woman would pass on dating a guy who fucks allot of poon is because she secretly knows that there's a big chance she'll get dumped and hurt.

You are a textbook example of the hamster gone haywire. You actually believe that being a slut makes you high value. And equally believe that men think and do the same as women. I wish you allot of luck in your future relationships where you give your partner full disclosure of your sluttish past. Watch him leave you within a heartbeat.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

First of all, culture, religion and media has played a huge influence in slut shaming. You can't deny that. And sex isn't one sided. A 'key' can get just as messy as a lock. A penis gets covered and taken in by many different secretions. Dirty.

And men don't have psychological reactions to sex?! Wtf?! I've never heard that before. Clearly all the men who have said they feel closer and more emotional with a woman after sex just don't know what they're talking about and are confused...

Yes women do fuck. It's called climbing on top of a man, holding him down and giving him a good fuck until he cums. You seem to be largely influenced by Freud. Freud, although awesome, was also biased due to the era that he lived in (women being oppressed). So you see vaginas more as passive because they incorporate a penis. Which is understandable. It's like a man being pegged seems more passive. But you only see the 'sticking in' and 'getting sticked' dynamic to not see how different situations can change whose fucking who. And that it can just be a mutual fuck. Both people fucking each other, because both are participating in the act. You just see the sticking part, I see more to it. And not because of penis envy. Lol. Again, Freud. I'm not even going to go into that. It did make me smile though.

You actually think all men are like you and will judge a woman because she uses her hormones and vagina for what it was intended? You'll probably say yes because they're 'wired,' I disagree, I see the nurture side of this. Maybe you and I have different ideas of what a slut is? If you think women are sluts for sleeping with 5 to 10 men, then bless your heart. If you're thinking more about 30+, then yes I can understand why men wouldn't want to date the person. Personally I might fuck a guy like that (i say might because I don't know where the hell his dick has been). The same as you, my perception of him would change.

And you said women wouldn't mind dating men who sleep around. If a dude has slept with A LOT of women, like the girl in op's post, he goes on about sex and boasts about it, guaranteed they would mind and be put off. And like I said, those men often have mental issues, self esteem issues etc. They rely on sex and women for their poor confidence and egos. They're fuckable. Not dateable. You said because women would be scared that they'd get dumped. Well, yea? I said they'd view them as having commitment issues and more likely to cheat. And generally just seem gross. Maybe not all women, but I know a lot who don't particularly have a 'clean' image of a guy who fucks around a lot. Maybe just our experiences with the men we know?

And no, I don't believe that being sexually promiscuous is of high value, nor is being innocent. I used to be influenced by the same things you're influenced by (culture, media etc) and I would pride myself over my virginity and didn't want to have sex because I saw it as 'giving,' like what you described. However, my boyfriend gave me a different mindset and helped me look beyond that perception. Now I take from him and fuck him ;) You'll probably call it a false reality and blue pill. No matter.

The way you view things, do you think men with small penises are insecure by nature? Because men place large emphasis on their penises, so they feel inadequate just because of evolution and women desiring bigger? And do you think that black people are by nature more violent than white people, just because the police target them more?

PantsonFire1234 8y ago

Pointless, you are just rationalizing things in order to feel okay about yourself.

First of all, culture, religion and media has played a huge influence in slut shaming. You can't deny that. And sex isn't one sided. A 'key' can get just as messy as a lock. A penis gets covered and taken in by many different secretions. Dirty.

Slut shaming is something women do more often than men, so point that finger elsewhere. Also remember that men actually beta shame other men. Have you never seen a couple of jocks bully the bff dork of their girlfriend? That's essentially the same thing. I'm not gonna explain why both shaming tactics are used, if you're smart enough you should come to the same conclusion.

You actually think all men are like you and will judge a woman because she uses her hormones and vagina for what it was intended? No, there are a lot of open minded men. Thank god.

I'd really like to be a fly on that wall, when you tell your boyfriend about all the cocks that have hammered you before him. I'd dare you to try that. His attitude towards you will change in an instant. This is again, biological. Since I'm sure he loved you very much before that.

You say that men should be open minded about that. What you basically want is that they ignore this obvious turn off. Since you will never find a guy that will find you more attractive because if it, even you know this. Which means you subconsciously know it's not a good thing, for if it was then no man had to be openminded in the first place.

Maybe you and I have different ideas of what a slut is? If you think women are sluts for sleeping with 5 to 10 men, then bless your heart. If you're thinking more about 30+, then yes I can understand why you wouldn't want to date the person. Personally I might fuck a guy like that (i say might because I don't know where the hell his dick has been). The same as you, my perception of him would change.

First of all women lie all the time about their dick count and this is one thing I absolutely hate about women. Because it means I will inevitably assume its a high number even if it ain't in reality. So women are shooting themselves in the foot with that one.

Second, I don't consider women with 5ish guys to be a slut. Just sexually active and non-innocent. For me that's an okay number and I would consider dating that girl. Although I'm sure my grandparents would have a thing or two to say about that, it is what it is, it's current year. Girls that reach the 10ish number are close to ruined in my opinion but not complete sluts. I definitely feel less affection for these but I can look the other way if it's a short term relationship thing.

Anything above 20 is a hall of fame slut in my opinion. Completely worthless, I love to fuck these though because it usually gets really nasty, insulting them, spitting, almost murdering them during a fuck. They love it and that actually does make you cum hard. Unlike a girl who thinks she's fucking me because she's on top and "holding me down" until I cum. I've actually never met a girl who was able to without my assistance. Anyway, these girls are in my mind not girlfriend material. Since you claimed to understand this I'm sure you know why I find this to be the case so I won't elaborate.

If a dude has slept with A LOT of women, like the girl in op's post, he goes on about sex and boasts about it, guaranteed they would mind and be put off. And like I said, those men often have mental issues, self esteem issues etc. They rely on sex and women for their poor confidence and egos. They're fuckable. Not dateable.

What you're describing is an insecure faux alpha who needs female validation in order to feel whole. These types will never give you what you want, both physically or emotionally. So I'm not surprised you wouldn't date them. I'm sure you have however met very charming and stunning men who appeared like a dream in your mind. For which you'd do anything for, now remember that you aren't the only girl who thought that about them. These Alpha/High Value guys are getting tons of pussy because it gets thrown at them.

I would pride myself over my virginity and didn't want to have sex because I saw it as 'giving,' like what you described. However, my boyfriend gave me a different mindset and helped me look beyond that perception. Now I take from him and fuck him ;)

Here's the funny thing, you were actually right initially. When you had 0 to 2 sexual partners I would have actually considered you above a girl that was 'hotter' physically. As long as you were pretty good looking yourself you'd win easy from say- an HB10 slut.

This is the advantage of the virtuous girl, as long as you remain a healthy sexual appetite (it's possible to have this without being a huge slut, just takes self control). Guys can ignore allot if they sense that your 'real'. I know a guy, he's a semi-pro Goalkeeper, incredibly tall, hard working, well educated, a great friend and socially connected. This guy slayed pussy more than anyone and could have had the hottest bimbo in town. Yet he ended up with a girl who you could call an HB7 at best.

After I met her I instantly understood why he picked her while being unfaithful and misleading with his prior sluts. This girl raised zero alarm bells and clearly knew how to behave. She was caring, kind and feminine. So despite her average looks she was consider way more special than some of the 10/10 models he banged in down. I'm not making this shit up, they're currently engaged. You reap what you sow.

Because a penis defines a man and so he finds himself inadequate? Not because of the media or porn? Because I mean, come on, bigger penises are more desirable so of course it's only evolutionary for them to feel insecure... Do you think black people by nature are more brutal and uncivilized than white people? Not because of racism and social influences? Because police always target black people, so it must be their nature.. You see where I'm getting at? Probably not.

I think it's both. I think people subconsciously know that a bigger penis means higher testosterone which indicates stronger mating potential. And that black people by their genetics are more primitive in their ways. Which causes a infinite feedback loop where society reflects these truths and subconsciously reinforces them through media/porn/society and reinforces the issue.

This is why two people can have an argument and technically be both in the right. Because problems can be caused from multiple angels that create a combined result. It's why you are best served to stay open minded towards the person you are debating with. Should you be able to learn from him or her.

SetConsumes 8y ago

You ignore that women are the biggest slut shamers because sluts devalue the sex women offer to control a man with.

Men instinctually feel that sluts are bad wrong or can't be trusted.

You can justify promiscuous women all you want, in the end, men enjoy the easy pussy and women lose out on opportunities beyond immediate fun.

JBellW 8y ago

Dawww, look at the triggered snowflake.

Bless.

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

Haha you know nothing of my experience with her. I was open minded, friendly and never once judged her. She just wasn't what she sold herself as, she was dishonest and I was disappointed.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

So your sexual wants and experiences didn't align. You didn't like her past. Chilled. You don't have to. But then calling her a dumb slut for opening up? Nice

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Lsegundo 8y ago

The "no judgements" attitude is for losers.

A woman (if single) fucking a couple guys over a whole summer in Europe is not a big deal to me. Having a dirty slut competition with your gfs and fucking 50+ men is disgusting. Her ability to pair bond after slutting it up like that is severely damaged or destroyed.

For the record I'd say 50+ over the summer was disgusting for a man too. I would have to acknowledge the superior game of a guy that could score that much. Even my old roommate Chad TC went home alone plenty of nights.

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

A girl can find a guy to fuck them easily. It's not an achievement and they act like it is.

Really it shouldn't be an issue to us. Why are we concerned? Why is the pair bonding issue our problem? Because when they want a relationship with us at the end of it all, they are unable to do so. They are stuck in a certain way and we simply aren't interested in the bullshit that comes with it. They're stuck how they are and we're stuck how they are. No one wins.

empatheticapathetic 8y ago

I was actually fine with her past. She lost respect for me for being fine with it and trying to continue with her the way we already were. She wrote me off as a beta and disrespected me as such. Only when I cut contact for her disrespecting me did she apologise and feel ashamed for spilling her past.

In my opinion that's fucking dumb. And she wanted to be treated like a slut, not a partner, and disrespected me for respecting her.

Dumb slut.

You've done well to get this much out of me.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Okay okay fair enough. I misunderstood you and saw it from a different angle. She took you for 'weak' and obviously you don't want to be with a shitty person who can't respect you for respecting her. That's just messed up. I still find the alpha, beta concept over analysed at times but whatever, it's your perception.

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empatheticapathetic 8y ago

No worries. At this point in my life she's still the coolest girl I ever met. It's a shame she is how she is. In my experience a lot of girls are like this. Leading to the anger and discussions you find on this forum.

Most people here are nice well adjusted humans trying to live their lives. A forum this big and successful must exist for a reason right?

smirk_addict 8y ago

This is the third time I've noticed that you've tried to call men out on "bad behavior" only to relent when they explain to you in depth how the woman was being a shitty human being. Maybe you are not a fan of the flair of delivery but nobody is here to prove anything to you. What do you want?

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Yea, I relent because I realise I misjudged. Do you want me to ignore people and not listen to their views? So maybe I'm annoying you, but whatever, I'm learning.

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smirk_addict 8y ago

That was interesting what you did there. You framed lt as if people want your attention and listening to what they say is the right thing to do. You are just trying to give yourself a feeling of self importance.

Nobody asked you to come here. Your responses are defensive and not objective. You are not here to "learn" anything. You are here to argue and debate and back off when you can't logically refute some examples of bad behavior of women.

You just validated why men should read the side bar.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

So do you also hide yourself as a manwhore so women will want to date you? Or are you just sour because you can't bang 50 people

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thisornothing 8y ago

I mean, you just identified the difference in your own sentence.

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gunsandflowers 8y ago

The same reason he says women hide it.

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Temperfuelmma 8y ago

Women hide it to not appear slutty. To maintain the image of a sweet lovable submissive snowflake that needs to be taken care of by a man.

Why in the world would you want to be seen as a sweet lovable submissive snowflake that needs to be taken care of by a woman? Is this some kind of a new fetish?

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Umm I actually don't know any women who want to be seen as a snowflake? Haha maybe in bdsm but otherwise no... I think they hide it because of, once again, slut shaming.. a lot of people don't condemn women engaging in casual sex and give them crap for it

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Anderfail 8y ago

You think spreading your seed is a good thing for civilization? Have you seen general society right now? Have you been paying attention? The world is coming apart at the seams and you're contributing to the decline. This type of attitude from men is helping to accelerate the decline as you're actively making more damaged women. I don't deny that women who sleep around aren't damaged but that doesn't make you not a degenerate. The absolute last thing this world needs is a bunch of fucking kids raised by single mothers.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Okay, and? I don't know how many women will be happy to hear about all the stds you've picked up. That's why I asked if he also hides it. Men or women, I don't think either wants a overly promiscuous partner. And you have fun spreading your seed and then paying for the kids.

By the way, I don't care what fuckboys say about women being mentally damaged. There's plenty of arguments for polygamous natures. Deal with it.

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Temperfuelmma 8y ago

Now you're just telling us that women are all sluts.

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read-only-username 8y ago

Foolish man. You want so much to be superior to women, but you're superior to no one......

DirtyProject0r 8y ago

If this is the case, she and her friends are probably party girls. Never LTR party girls, huge red flag. So to begin with, you should have never LTR'ed her in the first place and just plated her. And her friends if possible. This is simply an odd scenario because this would imply that someone who knows about TRP would LTR a party girl which is unrealistic.

yaardi 8y ago

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that when girls go on vacation (especially foreign sea or mountain resorts) is just slutting it up time. The same thing happens in Erasmus, it's just several months of a girl being surrounded by exotic foreigners and the knowledge that when she gets back home nobody will know she slept with a hundred different guys.

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No you are not jaded. If she wants to holiday without you and she is your significant other then she plans to cheat. She proves herself to be a worthless whore and you would do well to hard next her. You are smart, not jaded

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She proves herself to be a worthless whore

No she doesn't. The inclination to stray is universal, waiting to manifest into action under the right circumstances. If she's a worthless whore, then all people are worthless whores.

Willingness to reason objectively, kindness towards people and animals, generosity to the less fortunate. Those are the qualities that we should be basing the worth of our partners on. The extent to which they obey the principle of monogamy is such an obviously bullshit metric of a person's worth when weighed against qualities that actually have tangible utilitarian contributions.

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[deleted] 8y ago

Call me BluePill, but i tend to believe these girls do not go around boasting about their one night stands. The girls who really are still able to care about their environment in a not social way are those that also knew how to address sexuality a bit in my experience.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

Nothing BP about it. The only ones that see that side of a woman will be her closest female friends and the alphas she hooks up with. The Disney fairytale is for the betas.

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Wow what is with these cucks invading this sub lately??

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Because this sub is fucked

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Fucked by women. Either literally or metaphorically. Men are driven here because of the actions of women or their own actions involving women. TRP is a response to the current day SMP. This sub wouldn't exist otherwise.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Oh but you forgot, women aren't capable of good qualities. They're programmed sex driven things that need to submit to these supremacists so they can be used for sex and personal gain. Which is funny because they get called sluts if they have sex, but hay, the red pill has figured everything out!!

nrafield 8y ago

You're forgetting how the same is said of any man that fucks around and every divorce is automatically the man's fault.

read-only-username 8y ago

Women hate sex and need to be manipulated into engaging in sex with redpill knowledge...while simultaneously being massive sluts who will sleep with random dudes given the chance, just cause they feel like it.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Women hate sex and need to be manipulated? Please tell me you're being sarcastic? Women have a clitoris and a g spot for a reason. And what, do you think they masturbate and buy vibrators and dildos for no reason too? Where the fuck do you get these ideas? Please go onto rsex and educate yourself

read-only-username 8y ago

Pleased to meet you I am woman.

Yes I was indeed being sarcastic; presenting two clauses that could not possibly co-exist. Maybe read the whole post next time before jumping down my throat?

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Sorry- thought as much. But with the comments and shit in this place, I wouldn't have been surprised if you were being serious.

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gunsandflowers 8y ago

If you wanted to go on a holiday with your best mates, and your girlfriend broke up with you because of it, do you think that's fair? Sounds like major trust issues

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serael 8y ago

I get where you are going with this one, but tbh if I was LTR and went backpacking Europe with the boys without the GF I doubt I would stay monogamous. Why would I expect her to? Vegas, euro trips are stereotypically about "finding yourself" and hooking up. Tbh I would be surprised if she stayed with me after I planned a trip like that without her and vice versa. We both know what's up.

DonaldBaelish 8y ago

Read up Rollo's GNO post and also, you better listen to Will's advice.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

It's hard for most men to get sex. It's very, very easy for a woman to get sex. The main constraints on a woman are social shaming, which are absent or of no effect when she's in a location where she's anonymous.

At male bachelor parties, the stripper might have sex with the groom to be, but she will demand money for that service. At a bachelorette party, the stripper will eagerly have sex with the bride to be (if she's not hideous).

For women, sex with an alpha (vacation dude/male stripper) is a benefit, while sex with a beta (hubby/fiance/schlub she's stripping for) is a cost, which is why she demands resources/payment for it.

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When did feminists from the relationship sub start commenting here?

gunsandflowers 8y ago

When we saw how fucking retarded you are

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[deleted] 8y ago

Methinks you are definitely on the wrong sub. I am surprised your blue pill ass has not been banned yet

[deleted] 8y ago

I don't know does the bf routinely go on a vacation and get fucked by over 50 dudes in a 3 month period? Or did you not read the OP and are a troll?

Edit: Can you believe this OP? She's so brainwashed that she's even DEFENDING some rando chick that just got plowed by over 50 guys. Wow! Talk about confirmation of the RP. "No matter what, defense of the spinster-hood is absolute."

gunsandflowers 8y ago

What? But the girl who banged 50 dudes was single? Op and her weren't in a committed exclusive relationship. Is it wrong for single people to have casual sex?

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Lsegundo 8y ago

There is a difference between casual sex and being a free prostitute.

When you aren't willing to judge anything then a pile of shit and pile of gold are of equal value to you, but not to anyone else.

[deleted] 8y ago

You're missing the point by a mile in the larger context of the Red Pill. No, she's perfectly free to do whatever she wants, that's not the point of the OP's post to throw shade on her if she was in a relationship.

The point is to make men aware, that often women who go on these adventures "to find themselves" are really going to go get fucked by about 30 exotic men. Girls like these should be plated at best, but not committed to.

Of course there are outliers, and of course you're going to say "well I don't do that" and again I'm going to tell you that YOUR personal experiences do not hold any weight to the larger context of sexual dynamics at play in the Western world, that is experienced by millions of men.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Okay I get what you mean. In the comments I just saw a bunch of men saying that all women cheat and are programmed to do so. So yes I argued against that and added in my experience to try make my point more valid. But in terms of making others aware, then yes I agree that women are just as promiscuous as men and just as likely to cheat. That the belief that only men cheat is bullshit.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

Well they are all programmed to cheat, but social/religious conditioning curbs that - somewhat. Said conditioning is becoming less and less effective and less common.

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The difference is this: men have honor, women do not, and if they do its "up to men to defend that honor". Honor is exclusively a male trait.

I don't expect any woman to have a concept of honor, and neither should you.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Where do you get this ludicrous idea from?

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My observations of female behavior. My mother, my ex girlfriends, my friend's girlfriends and exes, every girl I've worked with. Not a single one has honor or knows what it is, including my mother. It surely is my fault though, as I don't surround myself with women of honor, even though I try.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Cool. Don't force your observations on me and tell me that I shouldn't expect women to have a concept of honour. Those are your perceptions and opinions. Not mine. That's what my mother taught me not to do. She's honourable ;)

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I sincerely doubt that. No ones forcing shit, believe whatever you want to believe, I don't give a shit.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

Women initiate over 70% of divorces. Divorces from marriages that she promised "till death do us part." In fact, the woman is more likely to be the initiator the younger the demographic, the more urban, the more educated. In fact, it could be safely said that the biggest indicator for whether or not a divorce is wife-initiated is her ability to remarry, and remarry well.

Men are (tend to be) idealistic, women are (tend to be) opportunistic. Which of these attributes has a closer meaning to "honor?"

gunsandflowers 8y ago

I know you guys look at female nature, how men are treated in society and ways to uplift men which is awesome.. But seriously, you're a bunch of male supremacists 'we would never cheat' 'we're loyal' 'we're honourable' 'we do no wrong' 'it's only female nature that fucks up things, we don't need to take into account the other influences'... talk about fucking slowflakes

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KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

You're almost right. Men are superior in a lot of ways. But female nature has saved the species. Women have made us stronger. Women's aversion to weakness is terribly important to the species, and it is absolutely antithetical to the concept of honor. None the less, women have this trait. It's really bad for civilization, but good for the species. (Beta males built civilization, not alpha males)

Have you read Briffault's Law (sidebar)?

EDIT: We never say that we don't do wrong. We just say that when society tells us that women don't do wrong, they lie, lie, lie. And that lie is antithetical to civilization.

aanarchist 8y ago

me personally she has nothing to worry about cuz if i'm commited to her i'm not gonna leave her, pretty sure most of us would treat a woman we trusted like a damn queen.

the friendships men forge are different than the ones women have imo. it's pretty much vital to a man's mental health to do stuff with his bros. women on the other hand it's like, they're just as happy sitting at home talking to each other as they are going on a vacation and doing shit. if she wants to vacation without you with her sisters 100% she's up to something. like seriously for what reason would she want to go on holiday without you, unless she's looking for some d that isn't yours.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Wow. Just wow. So it's perfectly fine for a man to spend time with the boys because it's vital, but when a woman wants to spend time with her friends, it's only because she wants to have sex with other guys? Not because she's looking for a good time and memories with her mates, but just to bang dudes?

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aanarchist 8y ago

she can spend time with her friends but for her to go on some vacation overseas or some shit with her girlfriends, what the fuck do you think they're gonna do? probably relive their college days, aka good times and good memories banging other dudes.

nowhere did i say that she shouldn't spend time with her friends, but thank you for being outraged as if i had said that anyway.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Ok sure, friends going overseas together does have an implication of getting up to shit and cheating. But doesn't that apply to men too? A group of guys going on a boys trip to pick up girls and relive their college days? And I know you didn't say women shouldn't spend time with their friends, but you did say they only go on vacation to have sex, not to bond with their mates and have a good time. I'm just letting you know that there are women who are committed to their men, not all women are driven to cheat. There are people who will hurt you, but don't let that distort your reality and make you believe that all people will hurt you.

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Lsegundo 8y ago

and you can blame the cheating whores for the fact that if an LTR of mine started planning an overseas trip without me the relationship would be over right there. No threatening, no discussions, I'd just move on.

These types of vacations are the ones where she says "I dont know what happened. One thing lead to another. I slipped and his dick fell in my mouth... 7 times"

I do believe there are women who wouldn't cheat. I am not willing to roll the dice in this situation and find out if I am lucky. I guess my experience in vacationland with cheating women, plenty of whom were married, has permanently jaded me.

I guarantee you most of the husbands at home were 100% sure there women were being faithful, not banging me or one of my coworkers after a day trip to the beach.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

See my other comment on men vs women. It is so much more difficult for men to cheat than women. You are committing the apex fallacy - attributing to all men the capabilities/attributes/behaviors/characteristics of the top few %. Only a couple of % of men get a majority of the sex partners. The vast majority only have a couple, and the GSS shows that it's getting even more skewed. Virginity in black males under 25 has been increasing for many years, while STDs are twice as prevalent in black women as black men, and getting even more skewed.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

when a woman wants to spend time with her friends, it's only because she wants to have sex with other guys?

Hahahahaha! The hamster is strong with this one!! See my previous comment on the difference in difficulty in hooking up, men vs women. If a woman wants to spend time with her friends, she can do that at one of their homes. If she goes out to places that serve alcohol it is likely that single people are known to congregate there, and if a woman takes an inhibition lowering drug and hangs out in a place where [horny] guys that are not her bf/husband can/do give her attention, then her stated intention to "hang out with the girls" belies her [admittedly unconscious but overriding] real intention to test the waters and potentially branch swing or at least feel out some strange dick.

She may not know it consciously, or admit it out loud, but her limbic system is in control here. "I don't know, it just happened. One minute we were just talking in the bar, and then I was lying on this huge wet spot." Women never seem to have agency.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Seriously dude, seriously? No shit a lot of PEOPLE are going to feel a sexual desire if they out surrounded by alcohol and good looking single people. That happens. We're humans. We love sex. What I was saying was not all women will go out with the conscious intention of cheating , as some people said. Unconscious? Maybe. Human nature. And some people might go home with that other person. Others will not.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

As long as you admit that the unconscious (not necessarily the conscious) has it in for new 'D' then I'm with you.

AWALT. All Women Are Like That (unconsciously). Not all women do (conscious) that, but they're all like that.

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gunsandflowers 8y ago

Yes. People want to fuck. No shit (unless it's anal ;). That's pretty obvious. But this guy was saying a dude will go away for a weekend and stay loyal but women won't, they will cheat. But there's a thing called morals that control some people. If you really don't trust a partner to leave for a weekend, why be with them in the first place.

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gunsandflowers 8y ago

Well, I just found the fuckturd with self esteem issues. Don't worry darling, I'm sure there's a princess in shining armour somewhere out there for you

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gunsandflowers 8y ago

That's if you even want her, because you know, apparently women don't have morals so she'll just fuck you over one way or another.. I guess the women in line will just have fun taking turns

redartist 8y ago

Word to the wise: Any time a girl goes on vacation without a man to accompany her -- it's an excuse to hold a UN conference in her vagina.

offthebeatmeoff 8y ago

I wouldn't break up with her literally. I would just nod my head and say have fun and pretend to be supportive caring and trusting. At that point she's just a fuck buddy. I'll talk to other girls, I'll make a dating profile and become more aloof. She's not dumb. She knows what she's doing and she sure as hell knows what the consequences were. The toughest part is always pretending to be understanding accepting and caring (for me at least)

Your_Coke_Dealer 8y ago

I disagree on one point there. Women do not understand consequences. For most of them, they've never known consequences in their life and have been able to slut around and still find a guy anyway

offthebeatmeoff 8y ago

Hear me out on this. Women don't understand consequences in the sense that me and you do, but they sure as hell modify their behavior based on past experiences, aka, they learn from the consequences of their actions. For example, a girl might, tell a guy she really likes how many guys she has genuinely slept with. He'll freak out and say I really don't think I can date you, or they'll be lots of friction in their relationship. Now next time she goes out and meets a guy she likes she'll lie about that aspect because she understands the consequences of her actions, which in this case were telling the truth. It's different from how we understand consequences, but it's consequences nonetheless.

TheReformist94 8y ago

Once birth control is available, I don't believe girls are any less promiscuous than men. If that man is top 10% she will fuck as many 10%'s in succession.

Hypergamy limits the numbers,not voracity for appetite. Why else are they fucking a new man a night? Women clearly fuck for the sake of fucking like men do

dxfifa 8y ago

They need validation, not dick. dick is just the bet way to get it

Natural_RP 8y ago

You are really underestimating the value of good dick to women. It's really sad.

Papiless 8y ago

I agree with this. The most promiscuous women have the worst self esteem. Getting dick makes them feel more valuable.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

No, I think you've got it backwards. Evo psych says that they *need dick (can't pass on genes w/o it), but they'll settle for validation. Validation operates as a heuristic for dick.

TheReformist94 8y ago

I don't believe that.its not just for validation.they enjoy the act itself

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Mckallidon 8y ago

Then how do you explain women who can't even get orgasms who are sluts bc of their self-image? Sex brings them no pleasure sexually but does so psychologically.

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Natural_RP 8y ago

If they woman doesn't orgasm you aren't doing it right.

Mckallidon 8y ago

Except for % of women that do not have the neurology for it genius.

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aanarchist 8y ago

when a woman sees you as the non judgemental cool/fun guy you'd be surprised the kind of shit she'll tell you. everyone sees her as the fun social butterfly, in reality she had some psycho parents, and made some next level retarded relationship decisions.

MurphyBronson 8y ago

This is 100% true. But once you start learning about things they've done you shouldn't just dismiss what they're saying. Sure a persons past is a persons past, but if a LTR starts up things they've done in the past may happen again to you.

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Mckallidon 8y ago

So true. If they think you'll validate it they'll tell you.

offthebeatmeoff 8y ago

Yeah it was something I started doing roughly 2 years ago. I was always pretty good with girls, but then I started learning some pickup/game and I modified my approach and that was one of the big game changers. If you seem like a cool sexually active, non-judgmental guy, you will fuck more girls and they will be much more open to you. I've had girls tell me how many sexual partners they've had, past fucked up shit, and just a bunch of weird shit. I'm glad they did because it really helped me master my poker face. It's a useful tool to have and I strongly recommend it for most guys. Practice being cool and non judgmental with the disgusting stupid shit girls say. It's great for screening them out for potential relationships because you don't have to do the digging. They pour and lay out all the red flags and trash for you, without the web of lies to save face (most of the time).

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Best advice ever^. Let people be who they are without judgment. No games, no tests, no tricky questions. They will tell you everything you need to know if you just sit back and listen. Once you start asking, judging, acting shocked, commenting on previous relationships etc, you are signaling "stuff". Don't signal stuff. Just listen. It is all there if you just let it be.

offthebeatmeoff 8y ago

It goes back to the basic idea that girls don't want to feel judged. I don't blame them for that. If your cool and laid back/nonjudgmental it sends out the vibe that you've been there done that and she's normal. Now if she's attracted to you she'll let loose and it makes for a much better experience for everyone involved.

Mckallidon 8y ago

This goes back to being truly indifferent to be a better man.

aanarchist 8y ago

it's not like i'll hold a woman's childhood abuse against her i mean my dad was a fucking psychopath the way he treated me and i'll always be sympathetic towards someone who had a similar experience. but listening to her story about how she got wasted at a college party and some dude she didn't know "raped" her. even her own friends told her that if she didn't want to get drunk and hook up then she has no business at a college party. the fact that she considers it to be a non consensual encounter and doesn't go to the police means he was chad from the football team so he gets a free pass. hearing about how her last long term relationship was with a guy that made her feel so low that she was considering suicide, yet instead of cutting him out of her life she considers him better as a friend than as a lover. the fact that her friends are like fucking children. her seeming lack of boundaries for herself and others. it's like i had a fucked up life too, but you don't see me pissing away my life with people who treat me like garbage, i actually learned from my past instead of reliving it until i was completely washed up. every experience including the one i had with her made me a better man as a result, a stronger man. by the sounds of it she was a great girl when she was a kid, and every experience just chipped away at her until there was nothing left that was still her. shits sad.

sad thing is that girl was like 10/10 fwb material, an amazing plate if you just be the abundance ifgaf guy, just if the guy starts to care she'll sabotage the relationship, or if he stays aloof she'll sabotage it anyway by picking and prodding to a level that only the most spineless beta will tolerate, she just doesn't want to be in a harmonious and peaceful relationship, there's 2 options either be a plate or be in a drama filled ltr that eventually burns. after a certain amount of self inflicted abuse, she's no longer capable of intimate relationships, all that's left is that slow decay and shallow relationships with people equally shallow. the funny thing is she would tell me how she hated it when people made her feel constricted like she only has a limited number of options rather than having her freedom, but she's the one who pretty much shoves herself through a tube of 2 equally bad outcomes. she would talk about what she needs and what she doesn't need and would project all of her problems on the people she was around, just truly a sad way to be.

offthebeatmeoff 8y ago

It's pretty sad but when anyone lives in an unhealthy dysfunctional family they see that is normal. It carries on through their life and destroys what could have been a great relationship. The only help for that would be therapy, something hands on. Not anything you just read on the internet by random strangers. It's a start, but not a solution.

Stationarity 8y ago

You mean, like, there's a secret society? lol

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offthebeatmeoff 8y ago

What are you talking about?

Stationarity 8y ago

http://bristollair.com/2008/inner-game/nature-reality/secret-society/

offthebeatmeoff 8y ago

This is just some stupid rant of a PUA who may or may not have had lots of sex and he thinks he understands the world. Yeah, you could say this stuff is common knowledge for guys who've slept with lots of girls, but that's just a consequence of experience and actively observing what's happening. I observed this stuff in my own experiences and those of my friends since I was a freshman in high school. After a pretty bad breakup a few years ago, I was reading and suddenly I had a big click and the major paradigm shift where I realized getting mad and judgmental didn't help at all in these situations, and only served to hurt me and put girls in the situation where I would either berate them or they would lie to me to save face. It's ugly and I never felt better doing it. I bet lots of guys know this stuff too with experience, but I wouldn't call it a secret society

gunsandflowers 8y ago

You sound like such an awesome, genuine person.. pretending to be someone you're not just so you can sleep around more.. and then you get to call people disgusting because you're so supreme.. all men need this advice.. I wonder, with the amount of sex you've had, and the shit you've done, do you think you're worthy for a ltr?

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Natural_RP 8y ago

When girls sleep around they are sluts. When men do it they are studs. If you need the reason for this explained to you, you may be beyond help.

Men do not wish to seriously date sluts, but maybe bang them from time to time.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

No. Men who sleep around have mommy issues and are mentally damaged. They seek female attention to fulfill that need they didn't receive, and so they have a lot of sex. They also have self esteem issues, so female attention makes them feel desired. They're also told by the media that real men have a lot of sex, so they try compensate for this due to their male egos. Not wanting to be rude, but they're pretty much losers who seek confidence through women. Only women have the power to give them that confidence with sex.

That's why the confident, successful, committed and genuine men don't sleep around. They don't base their manhood and confidence through women. These are probably what you call the 'alphas.' Unfortunately for women there aren't a lot of these because so many men are damaged by society.

Natural_RP 8y ago

Yes keep trying to tell men how to be men. See how that works out for you.

offthebeatmeoff 8y ago

I can see why you think that, but I never called anyone disgusting. I said some of things girls say is disgusting, but not them personally. I've done some disgusting dumb things, but I wouldn't call myself a disgusting person. I never changed who I was either. I don't lie to girls about what I do, or where I am in life. A lot of these girls are interested in me for the fact that I'm tall, lean, muscular, and ethnically ambiguous and that hits a lot of buttons for some girls, sometimes it doesn't hit any. I don't lie to any of them, all I do is practice more self restraint, and don't freak out or show negative emotion when they something that used to really bother/upset me because all it did was upset them and cause unnecessary friction that only hurt both of us and led to the same result. Now I didn't want to date the girl, she felt bad about herself, I felt bad for making her feel bad, and it was awful. Now she doesn't feel bad, I still don't want to date them anymore, but things go much more smoothly and pleasantly for both of us.

I don't know if I'm "worthy" for a LTR. I'd like to be in one and I've had multiple opportunities with girls who I find very attractive, and likable. They know who/how I am and they have no problem with it, but I just don't want to give up my freedom for an obviously one sided relationship with someone I don't want to have my children with. It's just how I feel. I don't want the breasts that feed my child to be on the phones of a bunch of random dudes. I don't want a woman who's snorted coke off a guys hard dick then blew him to give my children a kiss goodbye when they go to practice.

If she wants to do that stuff then power to her. She can have fun and I'll have that fun with her, but I don't want to date her. I have no trouble disclosing my past to a girl, and frankly it doesn't really take much digging to figure some of the stuff out, but 99% of the time it just makes them think I'm cool and like me more.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Some of these comments seem really messed up and radical, especially the attitudes and beliefs. And when people believe they are justified in their actions but another person is wrong for doing it. But I got the wrong impression from you. It's understandable that you don't want to marry someone who does those things. It's your personal preferences which is cool. And I guess that's what people sometimes do, both men and women, to get sex- lie or pretend

RPmatrix 8y ago

so, you've never lied 'to get your way/sex?

are you a female?

offthebeatmeoff 8y ago

It's a common fact that people's beliefs become more radical when they are in a group that share the same belief. If you messaged or talked to most of the guys here you'd get the same impression you got from me (most likely). We all have our own thoughts and beliefs that go against the echoes that are sound throughout here to some extent. For example, I personally want a very traditional home with a wife and multiple children, which a lot of guys here would disagree with. That's fine, I'm a big boy and I know the risks, and rewards.

As far as lying goes. I'm sure a lot of guys lie to get sex. I wouldn't say I lie to get sex. I don't tell girls anything that is untrue, but I would argue that most women lie for relationships and not sex. Sex is easy for most girls. As several comedians have said over and over "dick is cheap".

theONE843663 8y ago

Lol Really? Posting this shit on TRP? We don't want LTR. Guys have never wanted LTR. It's girls that needed the commitment from guys before in the past and men just went along with it. Monogamous LTR is the last thing I, or a vast majority of red pill men would want. We just wanna have fun can't you understand?

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gunsandflowers 8y ago

Then why do people here keep talking about ltr? And cool if you want to have fun, but why be an arsehole about it and then insult women for also having fun

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theONE843663 8y ago

Where exactly did I insult women that wanted to have fun? Do you see me personally saying anything like that? I said, I don't do LTR, lot of men here don't do LTR, but nothing about insulting women who have fun. I will only insult the women who want faithful LTR while they themselves go around getting impaled by a bunch of cocks. That's plain hypocrisy and I fucking hate hypocrites. Do you know how many women that I was fooling around with wanted LTR? Why do they push for LTR? I don't like the cognitive dissonance these hoes have. Either pledge yourself to having fun like I did, or be a faithful LTR to some dude.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Why can't a person have fun and when they pledge themselves to one person for a ltr, then stop fooling around with others? Are they supposed to wait for that 'one special person?' I know some people here will probably say they'll then cheat or end the ltr to hook up again

theONE843663 8y ago

I dunno go ask those people. All I'm saying is, I have my definition of fun without any cognitive dissonance. I want to play with multiple partners that's my thing and I make it clear beforehand. What's fucked up is most women who can act like complete sluts but still try to upsell themselves as relationship material. At least I know I'll be a fuckboy for life.

FrakkenKrakken 8y ago

Mama's baby. Papa's? maybe.

Temperfuelmma 8y ago

No problem with girls having fun too. Just don't be a deceptive bitch about it, don't lie to a man you've only slept with 2 dudes when the whole town has gangbanged you, you know? If you're a slut be open about it, just say it out loud that you're a slut, that you'll take 3 cocks in the ass for 10 bucks and I'll have no problem. But when you be a fraudulent bitch and trick a man into thinking you're pure - you deserve to be slut shamed, at least for the sake of the future line of men you are planning to pickpocket.

Most of the time when we piss at chicks calling them sluts is because they slut it up to the max and STILL try to come off as pure. That's plain fraud behavior.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Yea I agree that claiming to be innocent can be shitty and deceptive. Don't deny it to a partner. But if you're just a hook up, does she have to completely open up? Would you tell a hook up that you've taken it up the ass, because 'she should know'? Also I'm sure a lot of women want to be open but they don't because, hay, slut shaming! They get shit for it.

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Natural_RP 8y ago

Women need to be slut shamed. Look what they have become because it has virtually disappeared.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

'What they have become.' You twinks probably wouldn't have been thinking about this if women weren't oppressed and forced to commit to a single man in the first place. Now women can and with it you've discovered they are just as sexually devious as men and you're upset about it. Why? Because you're probably some supremacist little fuck who feels entitled to have a beautiful woman comitt to him.

Temperfuelmma 8y ago

But if you're just a hook up, does she have to completely open up? Would you tell a hook up that you've taken it up the ass, because 'she should know'?

Haha, it's not like people have heart touching intellectual conversations during a hook-up. Of course you don't have to reveal how many times you let a dude cum on your face and call you a slut for a MC Donald's but if you're going to enter a LTR you better make it clear that you're a money grubbing whore.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Bro, even your attitude towards women who have casual sex is condescending. I know you said you're fine with it, but money grubbing whores, sex for mcdonalds, cocks in the ass for 10 bucks? You're relating casual sex to prostitution. And you wonder why some women don't want to admit that they love dick?

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[deleted] 8y ago

A lot of guys do want an LTR, but Red Pill is accepting its very unlikely and you're arguing against sidebar advice.

SorcererKing 8y ago

You are not being unreasonable. Women know why they're going to Vegas, or they at least know it will be perceived that way. Even wanting to go is a sign she is not respecting you and the relationship.

[deleted] 8y ago

Great post!!! I've been a victim of this sort of shit. Very many years ago I was drafted during the days of 'Nam. At the time I was in this hot and heavy LTR with a woman who went on a beach vacation with her best female friend (BFF) on the exact day I left for bootcamp. Her friend promised to protect my interests and my girl swore to be faithful. By the time I got my first leave from basic (long story, just 5 weeks had elapsed), lo and behold my snowflake had turned cold as ice. Seems that her BFF not only had not been 'safeguarding my interests' but had been pimping out my beloved who played along enthusiastically!!!

[deleted] 8y ago

Thanks for this perspective from a man with some life experience. I am younger than you, but older than most here. I have had my own share of this sort of thing from women. That being said, I learned this from a young age and just never let myself be too taken aback by it. A lot of men here were apparently led to believe different, so it must be a shock to them when it happens to them.

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TheRedStoic 8y ago

One of my plates that I see when I'm bored told me a couple months back that she had spent a summer in Eastern Europe on vacation with her sister and a friend. She told me how she had some kind of competition with the friend of who could have the most one night stands that summer. She literally told me, "I had sex with a new person almost every single night that summer."

Funny how common these competitions are among women eh? Even more funny how casual it is to them.

After years of intensive dating/hooking up the bar has been set pretty high for shit that would surprise me, but this took me off guard. Here is an innocent-looking asian-american girl who straight up bragged about fucking 50-90 guys in a season right to my face. My mouth must have dropped a little bit because I could see a flash of fear wash over her face and she quickly retracted, saying, "Well, not really every night..."

Nope! Don't let it hit you man! You've also dropped value in her eyes!

Funny enough this same girl tried pressuring me to be exclusive with her a couple weeks prior to hearing her say that. LOL.

Yep. Fits. She really believed she was worth it and that's the only story she has told you! Imagine what else there probably is...

Dabble in PUA at all and you will see the preposterous amounts of cheating and how fickle women are and how fast the CC turns. Over time you might get to learn how hilariously doomed to fail LDRs are.

Mhm.

I'm curious to know how you guys feel about the hypothetical situation of a SO going out of town for a ladies weekend, say your GF and 1-2 of her friends go to Vegas. Would you immediate assume she's going to cheat or has cheated once she returns home?

Next. Unless the history is fucking gold, which it never is, unicorns aren't real.

At this point, I would. I honestly think that if a GF of mine decided to go to Vegas with her friends for a weekend that I would break up with her immediately. In my mind there is 0% chance that she would not cheat. Or any similar vacation, not necessarily Vegas.

There's always a chance, but it's statistically irrelevant. You could statistically be abducted by aliens tomorrow too but really what's the probability looking like?

Am I jaded or is this rational?

Nope. Perfectly rational. Keep crushing.

aherne18 8y ago

From what I've noticed, the vast majority of sluts that go to clubs don't end the night fucked by anybody. There is definitely a pecking order among sluts, too: alphas come and close the deals quickly (harvest what they want) and the chaff remains to get drunk and act desperate. Really attractive women seldom come, 95% of men coming are chaff themselves and behave the same as women above.

I'd say the probability of actually getting fucked is directly proportional to time spent "alone", her carousel index and her sexual market value. Most women are simply not attractive and have nothing to offer but a battered pussy... The moment she says she needs a "break" or a vacation "alone" or a GNO the proof of intent is rock solid. It is ABSOLUTELY irrelevant whether or not she will get boned or not...

polakfury 8y ago

There is definitely a pecking order among sluts, too: alphas come and close the deals quickly

Is there proof to showcase this?

aherne18 8y ago

Is there proof to showcase this?

It's my experience, mostly. I went to clubs for a year or two here in Bucharest. Alphas RARELY come to clubs (they have Tinder, remember?) but when they do they don't need to stay too much. Literally 95% of men and women are definitely not hot and go there to pretend they are having fun. Clubs are portrayed as ultimate slut hives, but IMHO they have become more like places for ugly people to get drunk and women having their ego saved by idiots who approach and collect their numbers.

I am not good looking but when I go there more often than not I'm getting alpha treatment because the average is so low in SMV. A HG5 will appear hot when surrounded with HG2-3s, but on sites like Tinder he's totally invisible.

TheRedStoic 8y ago

Good! Then you know what to do. Stop theorizing, start acting. Next for now, or demote. You're just not compatible ATM.

cistwo 8y ago

The gf can go if she wants but i will not be there for her when she get backs. The last thing a girl who truly wants to be with you and loves you wants to do is leave without you to go somewhere.

MundoDexter 8y ago

Man you guys must have seen some shit. All this cynicism is heart breaking

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[deleted] 8y ago

Agreed, good article. In my head it's not a matter of issuing an ultimatum though. I would simply drop her because she is already lost.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

So because a SINGLE girl was having fun and getting laid, you've decided that all women are untrustworthy and will be unfaithful to their partners? Where's the logic in this? I'd understand If you know countless of woman who cheated on their partners buuut?

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KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

So because a SINGLE girl was having fun and getting laid, you've decided that all women are untrustworthy and will be unfaithful to their partners? Where's the logic in this?

Maybe, but that's the way to bet.

All Women Are Like That. AWALT. They might not all do that, but they're all like that - have the same impulses, desires, needs. Society inhibits that behavior for the benefit of raising children.

[deleted] 8y ago

Did you not read my whole post, or understand the primary reason men come to this sub? Yes, I do know countless women who cheat and do so with close to zero guilt or remorse.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

But the girl in the post you referred to was single? You were just hook up buddies? If you were in a committed relationship with her then I would understand. And yes I know women cheat, it's wrong, as well as men cheating. Unfortunately there are people in our society who don't care for another's feelings and won't show remorse. But not everyone is like that.

thisornothing 8y ago

You're really desperately clinging to some fantasy-version of the way the world is. "But not everyone is like that" - really? Or do you just wish that were true?

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gunsandflowers 8y ago

Everyone has their own perceived reality. There is no single reality. So yes, maybe my reality is a fantasy, like yours. And when I say not everyone is like that, I meant not all people will cheat if they leave for a weekend. Maybe they'll fantasize about it, but not actually do it.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

There is no single reality

Uh, no. There is. We just apprehend it imperfectly. Do you know what science is/does? It tests. It tests for reproducability.

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[deleted] 8y ago

This is some chick that stumbled upon the Red Pill and is clutching her pearls that such a sexist thing could exist.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Haha no I find it quite humorous. It's the equivalent of a raging radical feminist sub. Imagine going on that sub and telling feminists that not all men are evil? It's like that here, but the opposite. Although I must admit that I do agree with some things here and find the different perspectives interesting.

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[deleted] 8y ago

If you're going to keep telling men in this sub that their experience with women are invalidated by YOUR single experience "as a women", then do us a favor and look up the term solipsism in the side bar glossary.

Or probably more likely, you won't, and you will continue to tell men here that universal truth is based on your personal experiences/relationship, and that invalidates everything else. If so, thanks for the RP confirmation.

See solipsism

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

We don't claim that women are evil, just that they're different than men, and different in a way that most men have never thought about, i.e., they have a dual mating strategy: alpha fucks, beta bucks. And that given the scarcity of alpha cock (2-5%), they (most men) aren't going to like the category (and its attendant treatment from her) that they've been slotted into.

When you take The Red Pill, you see things (female sexual nature) as they are, not as you wish them to be. Female sexual nature is a feature, not a bug. It has created a stronger, more vital race. Without hypergamy we'd have probably died out millennia ago from disease, etc.

Unfortunately, hypergamy is diametrically opposed to the values of civilization (invented by the beta males).

thisornothing 8y ago

Very few guys on here who grasp the concepts TRP attempts to cover would ever describe women as "evil". You're saying that. We're just discussing human nature, and reality apparently doesn't sit well with you.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

As I said, some things I agree with here. Like human nature, men spreading their seed, women finding strong mates etc. but this place is like a fucking cult. Some of the comments and people here are insane. I actually wonder what horrible women some of the men on this sub met to have come to such awful conclusions.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

You have to remember that women don't know what/why they're doing most of the time. Evolution has not selected for that - it's not beneficial, it's detrimental for women through most of our existence (walking upright).

Connectivity between the amygdala and the neocortex is about 8 to 12 times higher in men than in women. (Read Rollo's post on War Brides) Women are also about 4 times more ingroup than males.

Think about it. (from an evolutionary perspective)

thisornothing 8y ago

It probably comes across that way, since most of the posts and replies are from guys with more time to do so. And y'know, that'll taint what they're saying.

AWALT. Some know they're doing it, most don't. It's basic human nature, and I prefer to be aware of it.

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mehdreamer 8y ago

Gentlemen...here's a good example a female solidarity. Look at the words she uses

SINGLE girl was having fun and getting laid

rigbed 8y ago

Same way they tell their bfs they're "insecure" for caring.

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Well no, she's single so she doesn't have to tell a guy that she's insecure

rigbed 8y ago

No, I meant that if she had a bf who cared about all these dicks she took when she was single she'd call him insecure. She's going to ruin herself for long term commitment .

gunsandflowers 8y ago

Yes... and? Aren't single people allowed to hook up with others and have fun? Maybe you're religious and believe only in sex within marriage, but I'm not. I won't judge people having casual sex. If they're cheating, then yea it's wrong

[deleted] 8y ago

You call having sex with 50-90 guys in a span of 2-3 months casual sex? Harmless fun? I am very pro-casual sex but holy shit.

KyfhoMyoba 8y ago

A woman that is a virgin when married has an 80% chance of remaining married after 10 years. With just one partner previous to marriage, it drops to 53%. By the time she gets to 16 partners, there is only a 20% chance she's married after 10 years.

There is virtually no correlation for men.

Men and women are different? Who'da thunk it.

Lsegundo 8y ago

You are clearly incapable of understanding "degrees" or making a judgement about anything.

Eating a nice meal out once in awhile is enjoyable. Eating out every single day to the point you can't pay your bills and pack on 50lbs and then keep eating out every day is not good.

What are the chances of her getting an std having so many partners? Imagine she gets knocked up. The kid is going to be a bastard. Not to mention that sex as a way of connecting with someone is now broken for her after taking more turns than a doorknob.

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