TL;DR Feminism decreases population.
Disclaimer: Rough thoughts here, as I'm shooting from the hip. Would like to read critical thoughts/observations on this matter from the TRP forum.
Singapore is dead last, and has been for awhile, when it comes to national fertility rates (births/woman). My fatherland of South Korea is right there as well. (No wonder, virtually every Korean dude I've met is beta. Probably why I don't hang out with my own kind that often.)
Other high-income developed nations like Japan, USA, Germany, Italy, Taiwan, and New Zealand will all struggle immensely -- for fucks sake, we're all struggling ALREADY-- due to the lack of babies.
Here in the US those of us in our prime working ages from 20 to 50 love blaming Baby Boomers for a lot of our financial and economic woes, but we're not making anything better if our women are not popping out little ones, instead of popping birth control and plan B.
A simple search for low birth rates in developed nations will lead you to articles talking about what corporations and governments are doing or should do more for women to make babies: more maternity leave (now called family leave), more tax stipends for mothers, more career opportunities for mothers.
What's not talked about:
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Sure, blame the big bad corporations and the big bad government. Make it their responsibility for the lack of baby making. Don't blame it on women. Never blame it on the helpless woman.
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Several surveys say women delay marriage and having children "so they can focus on work and travel." That's code for CC and AF/BB hypergamous lifestyle.
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Insanely high rate of birth defects and complications when a woman has her first baby at age 30 or above, along with a history of high sexual partner count and STDs.
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When girls graduate college, they should get married and have babies, instead of getting jobs or going onto grad school.
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How do you expect men to marry and have kids when we are consistently and ruthlessly punished for doing so? We have minimum incentive and maximum risk to do so.
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Do you think women between ages of 20-50 are overall happier today than they were 25 or 50 years ago?
- Stop giving into what women want, start giving into what FUCKING HUMANITY needs.
On a macro-socioeconomic scale, when an ideology like feminism in the form of a strong, independent, pro(ho)fessional woman is spread and not kept in check, it is literally wiping out entire nations.
Conclusion: Keep on empowering women, world, and see what happens. Enjoy watching the world burn, Red Pillers.
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mrcooliest 9y ago
Overpopulation will kill the earth. The less people being born the better. The issue in Western nations is that white women arent breeding while immigrants multiply like rabbits. White westerners will slowly be overrun by savage immigrants with backwards cultures. With the people getting stupider politicians will pass more and more draconian laws in the name of "equality."
ABC_Florida 9y ago
This is how I see the big picture:
People are better at reproducing, than people in charge solving the problems of increased world population. And indeed, I think that feminism, and putting bigger emphasis of women's demands reduces population. Women want the best support they can get, and want the best support for their children. Why should they stop? Why? Two recent posts from MensRights
Wales gives 77 times as much money to women's groups as to men's. Okay, it is still a semi-voluntary thing, not a duty, like say taxes...
So ask yourself this question: "Why would women stop, when they are winning?"
They would be stupid. They already have a scapegoat, so if the economy collapses no need to search one. But turning back to the first paragraph of population problem, this is the current solution. You have a world population where there is not enough resource for everybody, because humans are "imperfect". People in developed countries have more resources, but have bigger demands. People in developing countries have less resources, and get well with less. So instead of making up a conflict, or waiting for one, then killing those who want to take it by power, they came up with this solution. This solution is: slowly replacing the population of higher needs, with the population of bigger needs. And feminism is a handy tool to do so. And is the worlds biggest, and best scam.
People in general have higher empathy towards women. So if you come up with an idea which is widely supported, you can spend more on it. The more you spend on it, the higher the amount you can redirect to your account. All you have to do to alienate the sexes, raise your citizens in that atmosphere, make sure they create as few children with the same demands as them, as possible. And make sure your country is attractive enough to people with lover needs. Who cares when those immigrant's children get poisoned by the gender shit? There are in essence an infinite resources of those immigrants.
Evidence? There are some? UN data of total fertility rate by country, the poorer the country the more children are born. Russian GDP after a Red Piller alpha took over the country
My conclusion: If you have to work from your own resources, you need someone with deficit in the empathy department. If you can use masses of immigrants (which was not the case in post-Soviet Russia), you need feminism to make room for the immigrants. That's so simple.
2comment 9y ago
Why even go to college? That's just CC and debt. Know way too many men who put their daughter through college who graduated and got married soon after and didn't use their degree a day in their lives.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
We live in a society where simply saying that maybe we should not let in tens of millions of illegal aliens is met with cries of "racism" and "pandering to the worst elements." You can't even say "illegal alien" because that is "dehumanizing."
The entire culture and language is coopted by women to make them feel good. Gays want to buttfuck in public in front of your kids? They are just being themselves...You homophobe.
Women want to marry each other... Better not say a word except something like "that is so sweet! It is all about LOOOOOOVVVVVVE! I am so happy that you are munching the carpet of an overweight, smelly, fungus filled cavern. Yahhhh! You go girl!"
Chicks with dicks want to swing their cocks into the little girls room and watch 14 year olds pee? Better not protest or even make a statement in opposition.....you transgenderphobe.
What are you? A hater? Don't you have better things to do than worry about how people love?
Nah, actually I don't.
TomFoo 9y ago
Enjoy the bonfire that is this world burning.
ReddittFeist 9y ago
The following photo comes from an article on "The EU's Suicide By Reality Denial"
http://thesaker.is/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Ministers-of-Defense-small.jpg
ABC_Florida 9y ago
I wonder whether those women are delusional as Neville Chamberlain, or John Lennon.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Those four countries have something in common.. They rely on the USA and the military might we bring to NATO. They can be weak girls, they have a really big brother to fight for them.
7hunderpants 9y ago
Its unlikely any of these women have ever been to war.where as the Russian guy has probably killed people. The Sweden one is now a man.
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Holy shit, If I am a country then I'd just stay the fuck away from Russia.
Search about him and look at those google images. This guy doesn't smile.
BiteAndThrow 9y ago
Why should a minister of defense smile. Is he there to laugh with his buddies?
ABC_Florida 9y ago
Hitler did smile. A lot. Attitude to the public means shit. Accepting reality can help on the other hand.
toalysium 9y ago
The blood of his enemies, the lamentations of their women, his country's only real competition is run by a cunt and is likely about to elect another, gorgeous blonde Russian women... I'd say he's got a fucking lot to smile about.
-contrarian- 9y ago
I realize Russia isn't the greatest place on Earth, but goddamn do I respect them. I wouldn't mind living there at all.
CornyHoosier 9y ago
What do you respect about them?
Their country is tanking economically, their infrastructure is failing, they're terrible on human rights & their military is becoming old and worn out.
Can we even call Russian an industrialized nation anymore? Most of the countries investment is in oil and mineral. Almost every major industry was handed over to friends of the Putin, so it's far from a country where any of the citizens have upward mobility.
Polaris382 9y ago
Well they havent been "cucked" by the far left/SJW type nonsense, and that's probably what he was getting at.
-contrarian- 9y ago
Well they're not us. So that's a plus.
StotheGG 9y ago
If you don't recognize the powerful and transformative role that Russia is undertaking in world power you're either insanely blinded by a pathological hatred of Putin (a zionist by any chance?) or you're just plain ignorant. Putin is building a strong foundation for the future development of Russia: traditional family, strong sense of nationalism, elevating the moral character of the people through the encouragement of their religiosity.
Russia has advanced in large sections of their military beyond the West. Take a look at their latest weapons systems and fighter jets. They are ahead of the US. Not behind. Militarily, the Russians have been able to actually get ahead of the West on a tiny percentage of the budget.
Russia is not a nation to be trifled or dismissed. That's what the pathetic politicians that we have running the West were doing and were proven wrong, over and over again.
DrawsShitForYou 9y ago
Is it really? Russia isn't a country to emulate. Communism failed. And they dragged all the eastern european nations decades behind in terms of development. Russia is just a shitty place to live they are poor. They have a lower gdp per capita than Panama, Kazakhstan, or even Equatorial Guinea. All of latin america united would have both a higher gdp per capita and total gdp. California has a higher gdp than Russia.
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DrawsShitForYou 9y ago
Qatar has the world highest gdp per capita. Those are third world countries with no industry and they are on par with Russia. You didn't mention gdp per capita with latin america. As a whole they are more developed than Russia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) California has more than a trillion dollar lead on Russia.
Kalepsis 9y ago
I don't think falling birth rates are a bad thing. In 1916, the world's population was about 2.1 billion. In only 100 years, that has more than tripled.
Fuck making babies. If our population keeps expanding at the same exponential rate it has been for the past two centuries, the world will run out of food in 50 years or less.
If this was 1940, I would agree with all of your points. But it's not. It's 2016, and we're overpopulated. More babies is not what humanity needs.
Mckallidon 9y ago
Most of that population growth was in non-western nations and has fucked the civilized and non-civilized alike. The west needs to breed and start WW3.
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Kalepsis 9y ago
I will. I do, as often as I can.
Population density is directly related to falling birth rates. Example: a recent study done by researchers in Japan, the most population-dense nation in the world, revealed that as many as 50% of Japanese men and women age 16-32 identify as asexual or childfree. They have absolutely no interest in sex or reproduction.
I am of the opinion that this is a perfect example of a population naturally limiting itself for the good of the collective, to ensure resources are not stretched too thin for future generations to survive. Like lemmings, just not as extreme. Which is a good thing.
Besides, how is your argument about women not having kids a bad thing for TRP? I much prefer to have sex with childfree women. There are fewer strings attached and fewer games played to try to rope me into a LTR.
Edit: spoiler alert: nations and cultures have been dying off and getting replaced for thousands of years. It really doesn't matter.
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StotheGG 9y ago
The Japanese are never a good example of a general trend. They are anomalous for many reasons. Odd sexual interest and odd sexual outlets. Urbanization does lead to falling birth rates, if only because it also significantly increases the basic cost of living. Everything from the price of food to the price of an education.
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Kalepsis 9y ago
The red pill is not alternative. As far as I can tell, it's the most naturalistic sexual strategy that exists: be the best man it is possible to be and you will fuck the best women there are. What could possibly be more basic and universal than that?
Great, you're Korean. I guess Koreans are very protective of their racial heritage? I'm 50/50 Native American and European. Demographic doesn't matter, in my opinion. I'm not lamenting the swift decline of my Algonquin heritage, tragic as it seems to some. I'm not crying about white people fucking up my culture. Historically, cultures are erased and replaced all the time. I look more to the future than the past, and I think Asian girls are hotter than Native American or European girls, so I'm going to go date one and fuck her.
BasedHitler 9y ago
More like empower the Jew, kill nations.
StotheGG 9y ago
shhhhhhh, just keep harping on feminism, ya hear me? Feminism, that's the problem. They'll never figure it out.
BasedHitler 9y ago
Jews invented feminism anyway.
Jedy_hacker 9y ago
Feminism = rebranded pandoras box
Releasing the woman from her sex cage was conveniently called "opening pandoras box" not to long ago.
BasedHitler 9y ago
Sex cage? Sounds like an awesome thing to lock a feminist in.
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aced 9y ago
Thank god since we already overpopulated af
Jedy_hacker 9y ago
No we aren't, it's just a myth invented to bring down birthrates of western nations.
Africa and asia are the ones overpopulated not the us or eu / russia.
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Life_Disciple 9y ago
I was confused by this statement too. What's the point of stating they should get an 'education' to do nothing with it except pay for it. Seems OP is trying to half-cater to what women think they want and to what the original post is about: what society needs.
StotheGG 9y ago
The education of women in college has a broad range of benefits, provided that she actually learns something. I would never have children with a high school educated woman today. It speaks very badly of her intellectual and genetic prospects.
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What this boils down to is that her life satisfaction means dick. For us to qualify a woman's laughable fore' into self discovery and career development is societal suicide. She ain't gonna be happy no matter which way you swing it and everyone is better served when she's beholden and servile to a dominant head of household and utilized for breeding. We really don't need any more of them playing big girl career cunt. It serves no purpose, it flaunts basic biology and it doesn't give her any joy not being under heel.
JamesSkepp 9y ago
Since it's not OUR job (through lack of capability) this should be left to women to decide. It's a bit of a life changing decision to just tell them what they gonna do.
EDIT: Does Singapore have a meritocratic system of government?
stemgang 9y ago
Feminism is a suicide meme. It is literally extinguishing Western civilization.
Mckallidon 9y ago
Feminism is worse than AIDS because you don't want to fuck them without a condom even though you won't die from it.
backdoorbum 9y ago
just fuck my civilization up fam
BlueFreedom420 9y ago
Weaken men to make way for a one world nation.
Yakatonker 9y ago
This bullshit is not "on a macro-socioeconomic scale". Population control is a necessity so the retarded masses, yourself included don't over produce the hands of competing labour and bottom out the wages of all. A hard lesson the Chinese are only benefitting from as of recently.
No, being denied sexual socialism from a Gynocentric system so that you can reproduce, or to "keep women happy" is not a justification for annihaliating our quality of life as men. This post is trailer trash blue, and another pedestal post about the "happiness of women".
Lastly the west is still here and conservative movememts are on the rise which are being used to displace the old establishment, for purposes the ignorant masses such as yourself are better of not knowing.
harsha_hs 9y ago
See, lets look at it in true RP perspective.
Now, women marry late and ride CC until she hits wall. Cool, then we have more and more women to have sex with. Can you tell how many women our dad's generation slept with? We're clearly doing good in-terms of number of women we slept with.
Ok, in terms of stable and fulfilling relationship, we have none. We're losing out. Previous generation had more fulfilling relationships than us.
That's life guys, you can't have everything
aanarchist 9y ago
so does this mean that with just a little alpha i can get women to pay for my shit? i don't wanna work for a living
that last bullet point nails it. moral integrity and greater good over a woman's selfish desires.
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There are 9 fucking billions of us cockroaches on this earth. If anything, I advise you to wear a condom and not knock the bitch up.
Mckallidon 9y ago
If anything we need to outbreed the real roaches and have WW3. That will correct all the world's demographic problems.
Kalepsis 9y ago
7.3 billion. But yeah, that's my opinion, as well.
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Do you have any proof that more children = better economy? The job market is over saturated and with automation it will only get worse. How is a large next generation a good thing?
TomFoo 9y ago
No, but if we are heading towards (less children) + (more seniors), then the economy can't be great. Specifically output (GDP or GNP) per person may shrink. This is macro economics.
And that is micro economics. Maybe you need to pick up a coveted job skill, work on your job interview skills, then get a better job. Macro and micro are two different things, sometimes working together, sometimes not.
More people to sell your shit to and bigger talent pool (labor supply) to choose from and hire people to sell your shit to. Less people = less business = less money going around = less money for you
Mckallidon 9y ago
What people don't realize is that automation is why we don't need to have tons of kids and even more importantly, we don't need immigration.
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OP responded about my question... Has no idea what he's talking about.
razormachine 9y ago
Humanity needs higher natality and at the same time touching female rights to ride the cock carousel is out of the question? No problem! Start working on artificial womb!
If I had the option of giving a sperm sample, and returning 9 months later to collect my child from the clinic I would have 2-3 kids now. I would raise them better myself than any of the modern woman ever could.
maxbrooksmacbook 9y ago
Dude, I have three kids and that shit is a lot of work even with a woman helping me.
TomFoo 9y ago
You may raise them better than any women, but our culture has trouble understanding that men are parents too. Try taking little kids to a crowded park / supermarket / anywhere public by yourself, you'll get a handful of angry braindead people demanding to know where the kids' mom is.
razormachine 9y ago
I had experienced that kind of discrimination more than once with my niece and once when I found a lost kid and tried to find his parent with him. The thing is, I know how those motherf... SJW's work. Their weakpoint is stake through the heart and shaming. Since staking is (sadly) illegal I simply shame the shit out of them. It's a dirty feminist tactic, but it works... so fuck it.
Making a child with a surrogate mother, being a single dad by choice would make is somewhat of a unexplored terrain. On one hand that would make me a target of every feminist. On the other hand attacking a single parent carries a large social cost.
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Humanity needs lower natality in poor countries and higher natality in richer ones. The first item is already happening and world population is expected to stablize during this century; the second item is not happening, except in the sense that richer countries are importing millions of immigrants a year.
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2comment 9y ago
On top of that, we're aiding the poor countries to breed way beyond their means. Do they get richer or more self-reliant? No, only the despots at top, the countries just become welfare cases with tons of kids. And the loop of charities demanding we "Help the Children!" will circle ever on.
We're taxing the most productive (middle class) to subsidize the least and their kids. That's why the world average IQ will drop rapidly this century in actual terms and it will not be a good thing.
StotheGG 9y ago
The only areas of the world with truly high birthrates are Africa and parts of the greater Middle East. Even in India, they've gotten their birth rate to basically replacement. Within Indian, of course, there are differences between rich and poor, and particularly face a problem of outsized growth of their Muslim population--always a danger. t
Having said that, the basic problem is a global one: a world that is so focused on just 'surviving' or so wrapped up in the decadence of material acquisition that there is no thought towards the future.
Rufferto_n_Groo 9y ago
This is my go-to argument when speaking with white SJW's. I simply tell them that European (and some asian) peoples are the ones that care about the environment, not the mass populations in Africa, South America, India, China, or the ME.
If they want to save the earth, breed more of the people that give a shit, rather than encouraging the breeding of those that don't.
Polaris382 9y ago
This, and I dont think birthrates themselves are the problem. The world has too damn many people anyway. Its the quality of people having high ones vs those having low...as the oft pointed out "Idiocracy" illustrated.
zolzks 9y ago
Nonsense. The vast majority of the total environmental damage to date has been caused by western nations and western per capita environmental damage will continue to be the worst untli the end of our natural lives.
Rufferto_n_Groo 9y ago
Nope.
First Law:
SJW's always lie.
StotheGG 9y ago
Frank Raymond quoting but without the attribution faggot.
Raymond is wrong, too. In the sense, that you can't say that environmentalism is itself a European value: particularly when we take stock of the ecological effects the Industrial Revolution. Environmentalism is a product of the eugenics movement, it is also a result, broadly, of the deindustralizing policies of West.
That's not to say that Europeans don't have a greater tradition of maintenance of a 'commons'. But its not particular to the environment. Anyway, you're a sloppy and unsophisticated thinker and that is what annoys me.
Rufferto_n_Groo 9y ago
I didn't quote, fucker, because I've never read the dude you reference. Ideas occur to many people when the basis for an observation exists on the internet.
Also, this is a rhetorical argument used to piss on their propaganda, and force them to into an internal emotional conflict. It ain't dialectic.
You took it hook, line, and sinker. Quit being such a "sloppy and unsophisticated thinker" that is easy prey for a SJW. I'm being charitable in assuming you are not a SJW in the first place.
Edit: too much profanity, so removed.
StotheGG 9y ago
Actually, that's the very definition of a Socratic dialectic.
But you're right, I'm definitely not a SJW.
Rufferto_n_Groo 9y ago
"a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presumptions."
That's just the definition from Wiki. My reply, nor the original statement, fall within that definition.
darklogic420 9y ago
You can already do this through surrogacy. If they turn you away as a single man you can claim that they discriminate against homosexuals or asexuals and either smear or sue as the situation warrants.
razormachine 9y ago
Commercial surrogacy is banned in most countries. And even if it was legal, is there anything stopping the surrogate mom from changing her mind at the last moment, winning custody and then proceed to sue your ass for alimony?
darklogic420 9y ago
I what country are you in because in the US it is legal if you work with an agency and purchase an egg from an egg donor. As long as the child is not genetically related to the surrogate they have no claim at least in CA. Check the laws in your jurisdiction.
razormachine 9y ago
I'm from Croatia, surrogacy is banned and that includes surrogacy for a couple. The only 100% legal way for me to do it would be to change my citizenship to another country where I can do it legally. Register myself as the only parent in the said country and then apply for Croatian citizenship again.
I could do it in a grey way in a foreign country (Ukraine) and show up in Croatian embassy with child that is biologically mine, without the mother and ask them to issue the birth certificate. Something like that would 100% pass for a woman who doesn't know the father of her child. The thing is, the law does not state what happens if the mother is unknown. There is a possibility they would take my child away even though I am the biological father.
darklogic420 9y ago
I would suggest you do surrogacy coupled with adoption papers abroad. Consult a lawyer if this is a path you might pursue.
razormachine 9y ago
I'm going to do just that. I always wanted to have a family. I just don't want the woman that comes with the pack :D
darklogic420 9y ago
It is an expensive and difficult way you have chosen. I wish you the best.
popthatpill 9y ago
Good points. Gives me an opportunity to plug this article again:
BJS_1 9y ago
Idk, women got on each other all the time when one is having a baby and their friends aren't. Baby bump trumps all.
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playingwithfyre 9y ago
CF isn't an example of anything except batshit crazy people with maturity of a wet noodle. Anyone who willingly forgoes their lineage is the world's ultimate cuck.
Mckallidon 9y ago
I'm all for idiots voluntary bleaching themselves from the gene pool. Too bad we bring even dumber people into our civilization to shit in the pool who breed like roaches.
BradLightningRooster 9y ago
The CF sub is pretty whiny and immature that's for sure, but refusing to breed is a fairly logical choice given the current situation and trends in civilization.
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50% of all children being born in 100 years will be from Muslim nations. Think more along the lines of Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Niger. Nigeria's Christian birth rate has fallen to 4 while its Muslim birth rate has risen to 7. Not only has feminism destroyed nations, it will have destroyed entire cultures, religions and ethnic groups. White Europeans will be a tiny minority in 100 years.
As an atheist it is upsetting to see the values like rationalism and liberalism slowly die. But then I realized that perhaps they are evolutionarily inferior to fundamentalism and patriarchy. I believe the world wars removed a lot of alphas from the gene pool. Japan, Germany, Koreas etc.
Countries like America had fewer losses and thus aren't as beta as Europe and Far East. Russia probably had an insanely high number of alphas, which would explain their still aggressive behavior even today. China has a massive population. The Muslim world hardly suffered any losses in those wars.
With the loss of massive alpha populations, other regions will eye beta feminist nations and wish to conquer. Europe has been a vassal state of Russia and USA since WW2. Japan and the Koreas have been under American control as well. As Americas power wanes, Russia and Islam will want Euurope. China will want Japan/Koreas.
FrameWalker 9y ago
Maybe we should travel the world and spread the alpha seed far and wide. Very very wide.
dr_warlock 9y ago
The elite want immigrants aka non-white people because they're willing to settle for lesser wages and their votes are easier to acquire with leftist pandering.
T0000009 9y ago
No, they are far dumber and easier to manipulate, BLM.. La Raza etc. Whites are simply smarter as a group, that makes us dangerous to the elites in power so if they dumb down the population with 3rd world slaves they stay on top.
StotheGG 9y ago
Are you sure. In a sense, whites are smart. In another sense, whites are the easiest race to play and manipulate. Whites are going and dying for zi!@nism. Whites are actually fools in a way that you'd never find Chinese or Indian people being. The elites are hoping to play divide and conquer, but that only works because they have a zombie corpse that we term 'white civilization.'
Honestly, there is an odd malledy in white people: many of them, tragically, seem born suckers. That is a disaster in not only civilization terms but basic evolutionary terms. A people unwilling to fight for their interest is one that has--for all practical purposes--already ceased to exist.
So, no, I doubt that you'll find a group easier to manipulate.
T0000009 9y ago
From a historical perspective, every modern invention like flight, cars, trains, nuclear, solar, electricity, phones, rockets, all of it came from white people. Every advance in medical, tech, science, and war came from whites, thought the Asians did hit some high notes too.
The Problem is we have had several decades of anti white multiculturalism propaganda force fed to us from birth to death. 70 years of this Marxist anti American shit has been going on, so after that long it wears people down and makes them soft. the death by a thousand cuts strategy is the game they are playing and they have won.... Feminism, Social Justice, flood from the 3rd world, and all the rest has slowly killed it.
StotheGG 9y ago
The problem with any particular 'historical perspective' is that it is broadly limited by the parameters set. So, it is precisely by virtue of a limited historical perspective that SJWs can say that Europeans are the most violent and vicious race. They frame history in terms of the emergence of European colonialism. The problem, of course, is that empires are thousands of years old and hardly unique to Europe.
There are many scientific and technical contributions that have been discovered by other races and other times. I don't say this as a knock toward whites, but the problem is that white nationalist mythologize their role in history and therefore ignore it. Inventions are only recognized and adopted under specific social-technological conditions. People speak about the genius of Leonardo DaVinci, but most of his 'inventions' were nothing but musings written about on paper. They were never realized and never introduced into society. The advances you are speaking of are the result of a shift in social, economic, and educational organization as a result of the industrial revolution. You'll find little of 'white' genius in the Middle Ages in the real of technological advances or of true 'breakthrows' in science and medicine. Instead, all of the world--and Europe--was dependent on Aristotle to explain their world. Does that mean these individuals were stupid or 'other', no, but they were the product of a different society with different values. The Japanese rapidly industrialized and made enormous innovations, as are the Chinese todays--in the fields of biotech, computation, and a lot of fields that won't even have a market for at least a decade.
So, again, it is the wrong historical perspective.
Let me put it another way: what makes European society successful is not its 'intelligence', instead it is the result of a different set of properties that have produces the highest living standards and the best societies.
T0000009 9y ago
Saying it doesn't make it true, and any objective research proves that it's a totally false claim.
While true, his "nothing but musings" was the precursor to dozens of modern weapons like tanks, and the romans and viking were no slouches on the battlefield. Gengis Khan was a serious badass, and took down a dynasty.
Pure fiction! the Trebuchet, greek fire, long bows and armor are easy examples and I could list 50 more.
I didn't leave out Asians, and said they hit several high notes.
No, you just have no clue about the subject. White "culture" as a whole has produced the greatest minds in all human history, no matter what timline you want to pick from. Agriculture, nomadic, industrial, technology or any other epoc or era the same thing is clear over and over. Do some real research, seriously start digging and it's all there.
StotheGG 9y ago
I think you come to history from a perspective of 'white achievement.' If you do serious research, and by that I mean have an indepth knowledge of world history, you would not be able to state something like "White 'culture' as a whole has produced the greatest minds in all human history." It has produces many brilliant people but hardly has the sole monopoly on such an achievement.
First, from a genetic and historical point of view you're trying to conflate different people in different parts of the European continent as a single people. The achievements of the ancient Greeks, for instance, are very distinct from the achievements of the Vikings. Though they are certainly categorized as 'white', they are not from close genetic stock. Put another way, would it make sense for a Phillipino to take pride in the greatness of his people by pointing to Chinese history? No. But that's what lots of 'white supremacists' do every day.
You entirely missed my point on the Middle Ages. Of course some kind of innovation emerged during the period but it pales in comparison to what happened later.
By the same token, you would then have to say that Jewish people are 'brilliant' because of the power and position they've accumulated in the world today. But there are also a lot of sociological reasons for their success that have nothing to do particularly with raw IQ.
Lastly, you missed what I was saying to you. Europeans are smart in some ways but dangerously stupid in others. Easily manipulated, easily deceived.
T0000009 9y ago
And you are desperately trying to claim that a European in Switzerland is totally different from a European living in Scotland, which have absolutely no connection to the Briton right next door for..... Reasons.
Judaism is a Religion/culture, not a race so again you try to mix and match and distract from the historical differences in total culture. Flight, electricity, running water, automobiles, steam engines and all the rest did not originate in sub Saharan Africa or the middle east no matter how much you wish they did. It was not Africans or Arab or and of the Latin countries that gave us satellites, or space travel, they didn't build or create the Parthenon or Mona Lisa. They are still living in squalor and mud huts weather you like it or not.
StotheGG 9y ago
You're really showing your ignorance on this one. Judaism is as much as ethnic designation as it is a religion. As an ethnic based religion that highly discourages conversion or interfaith marriages, you'll find that Jews are very closely related genetically. Ashkenazi Jews are very closely related through generations of inbreeding. To deny this is to be completely ignorant of genetic history.
I'm not fixated on the Middle East nor on Sub-Saharan Africa. With the exception of Sub-Saharan Africa, however, you can't actually go around saying things like other cultures and racial groups had no history of achievements. It is simply wrong. Running water--you mean irrigation--is not a European invention, idiot. Try Mesopotamia and Egypt: that had enormous civil engineering projects. The first true steam engine was invented long ago in antiquity. It was only with the industrial revolution that it found a commercial application.
If you actually believe the rest of the world is a complete shit hole it only shows you've never actually traveled outside much. Have you ever been to another country and stayed there? I doubt it.
I don't claim that the Scotsman and the Swiss have not connections, but those connections are so strong as to link their achievements together as the result of a single 'miracle gene.' How close are the links between an Italian, a Swede, and an Irish person? Distant. They are linked together because they are tied into the same 'civilizational identity', in the same way that a Muslim from the Sudan can get upset when Palestinians are treated badly by Israel. The connections are found more in the mind than in the blood.
T0000009 9y ago
Says the kid who is flailing about trying to find something in the historical record to justify his complete lack of knowledge. The steam engine was built by Europeans dummy!
Well dipshit, I've actually been there unlike you AND if those shitholes were so fucking fantastic then this would not be happening would it retard?
I'm done playing footsie with you fucknut, those countries suck, they offer nothing, and their cultures are dismal failures and EVERYBODY knows it!
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TomFoo 9y ago
That's pretty cool; they were just as fucked as we are. But we don't need to even look that far back in history. Starting from the end of WWII: the economic boom, the beginning of feminism, women in the labor force, hippies and the free love movement, corporate and thus cultural globalism, family (divorce) law forcing alimony and child support to women, and so on.
When patriarchal society slowly but steadily gives into the hypergamous nature of women, its whining and rebellion and every other act of feminine childishness, it is the beginning of the end.
Luckyluke23 9y ago
kind of offended you said nz and not Australia also. what we aren't developed enough for you! /s
but seriously we are going to be paying for this feminism shit down the road. the population is aging and living longer, but they have told men to be beta sexless virgins. how are we going to repopulate the world?
TomFoo 9y ago
I heard something about Kiwis not getting enough love.
Pastelitomaracucho 9y ago
You are fucking mental, man.
And what the fuck do you want? To keep women ignorant and uneducated so they see popping babies as a more viable way of life?
Stop bitching about women riding cock caroussels and being free. Free women means more sex for everyone what can meet a minimum standard: reach that standard and that's it. If you want to start a family, start it on your own, get someone who wants to settle down or just find yourself an uneducated woman with no more aspirations than being a mom.
Women are part of humanity. Cannot disregard what they want because of and grandiose idea about saving humanity which includes them.
Have some perspective. Yes, Western societies are aging. We will figure something out (or not). Controlling women (or any sector of the population) is a step back.
And I don't know if women are happier now or not. It's not my problem nor my responsibility to deal with that. They are free enough to find what makes them happy.
niceguy_gone_cad 9y ago
Yeah bro, I mean it' s 2017!
WeedDaddy 9y ago
If more men reach the standard, it keeps going up. Such promises are just a way to trap the suckers in a frivolous game they're unlikely to win.
Besides getting sex is primarily based on belonging to social cliques, and only secondarily on individual merit.
Pastelitomaracucho 9y ago
Absolutely. One does not need to rack up pussy kills to get a trp medal of honor
tldrtldrtldr 9y ago
I guess Saudi Arabia or Pakistan is your ideal country. Fuck off. Cunt
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
This is the wrong way to think about it. What is happening is not a long term permanent decrease in fertility - but is in fact - a cultural shift brought about due to immigration. Let me explain.
In many western countries, the native domestic women are having less babies than women who are immigrants - up to a full child even (1.5 vs 2.5 respectively). So as the populations revert to the mean as the baby boomers die out, which is something quite normal and expected, the projected total population is expected to return to what it would've if there weren't two world wars screwing things up. This fertility rate doesnt drop after the 2nd generation starts having kids, at least for some cultures, so the idea of a long term population decrease is not correct.
What is happening though, is that the socio-cultural make up of the individual nation shifts from that of a western influenced to that of the dominant sponsor country or countries of the immigrants. Again, perfectly normal and to be expected, and to be frank, probably a good thing. Cultural dynamism, where one culture replaces another one due to the latter being less suitable to the current socio-economic conditions is how countries rejuvenate themselves. A good example of this is what happened after rome fell apart - gaul nobles stopped calling themselves roman and switched allegiances to the Franks
StotheGG 9y ago
There is only something beneficial when what is new brings something innovative. Are you stupid enough to believe that Muslims bring any benefit, culturally or genetically, to the existing population as a whole. Further, that they come to Western countries through no merit--such as educated professionals--but as penniless migrants dependent on the state for their daily bread. Pathetic twat.
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
Wow - racist much? Of course muslims, hindus, christians, etc can and do, bring benefit to any existing population.
WeedDaddy 9y ago
Spoken like a true cuck.
Wishing your own genetic stock replaced by the children of the invading males in the name of "cultural dynamism" reads like parody, but that's the Cliff's notes on Blue pill for you.
It's not normal that invaders are flown in and given houses and welfare. Then they start
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
Civilizations rise and fall - its a story that is thousands of years old. western civilization is currently eating its young - it has no claim of loyalty from me.
My question to you is a simple one - if not supporting a culture that is oppressing me makes me a cuck, what does that make you? You're a person who is trying as hard as possible to keep said civilization going - even to their own detriment. That actually sounds like a cuckold beta if there ever was one.
WeedDaddy 9y ago
It's like having a disease in your body. You don't kill your body because it is infected.
Likewise, a man depends on his nation. The West is the only place where foreigners are given equality (and sometimes even preference).
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
Wrong - its a global economy. You should think like a mercenary - and realize that companies and countries are always competing for your labour. I've travelled quite a bit for work - no country has given me anything that I haven't paid for with my blood, sweat, and tears.
Just to repeat - think like a mercenary
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Kalepsis 9y ago
Who gives a shit what color the majority of people in the US will be in 50 years? This post belongs in a white supremacist sub, not TRP.
This sub is not a platform for racial grandstanding or political conservatism. It is sexual strategy for modern men.
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TomFoo 9y ago
Maybe it was your ancestors who wiped out the native population on this continent. I didn't know ignorance can be passed on through heredity this efficiently.
Or maybe you're a mutt, so you don't give a fuck. For others, it's a sobering to imagine your own fatherland either crumbling from the lack of adult population (like in Children of Men) or being bred out (like in Braveheart).
Kalepsis 9y ago
Wow.
I'm not going to address your obvious racist overtones. What I will do, however, is say the same thing I said previously: this discussion does not belong in TRP. Racial population shift has nothing to do with modern sexual strategy.
TomFoo 9y ago
If fags can take a dick in the ass, then you can take an offensive remark and still be a man.
Kalepsis 9y ago
I'm not offended. It just doesn't belong here.
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
Agreed - and it sounds like just pure anger. Does it really matter which culture is dominant in any given country? In terms of RP, maybe it might in 50 years it would as it would change the dating meta - but thats a rather moot point for the majority of people here who wont be dating 50 years into the future.
StotheGG 9y ago
Is that even a legitimate question. Culture is paramount. A society-including its scientific and technical achievements-is a product of its culture. You mean to tell me that if you import people from the Sudan into Manhattan the way it operates, functions, and its connections to the global economy won't alter?
I don't say this as a racial question, because race is a complicated thing often in need of seperation from culture. Just stating that CULTURE is everything. TheRedPill is a critical examination of the existing culture. And to think that you should not care what's happening in 50 years makes you a complete idiot. 'It won't happen for 50 years, so who fucking cares.'
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
Ahh...literacy - why are you so rare in today's generation? Notice that my statement doesnt say that culture isn't important, but that which culture is dominant isn't important. One culture isnt inherently better than another - just as darwin illustrates so succinctly with his origin of species. What does matter is that some cultures are better at the moment for the conditions at the time than others.
Secondly - culture is always in a state of flux. That same society from the Sudan was thousands of years ago at the height of technology. If western society is failing - its not because of external pressures - its because of internal ones. Its always been that case. If external or imported cultures if you will, are better suited for the current socio-economic conditions, then they will flourish and that is a good thing
If you re-read what I said you would see that I'm talking about the dating meta. Immigrants tend to stick together and their influence is limited at first and doesnt impact the wider culture so much - more importantly, them being here wont impact your dating success or failures. when they have kids, it will affect your kids dating successes or failures, and it certainly will affect your grand kids.
So you ranting on and how foreign cultures are dragging society down is rather funny because you overestimate a foreign culture influence while negating the crumbling edifice that your own culture represents.
FinallyRed 9y ago
Anger seems a natural response when considering that your descendants will be a persecuted minority within a country that belonged to their race until said race behaved too selfishly to sustain itself. Not to mention our cultural achievements will be disdained or outright forgotten. The same happened to the native Americans (selfishness contributed to their being divided and conquered). Would any rational person tell one of them to stop being a prissy little bitch about the situation?
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
As I mentioned in another post, Cultures decline is internal and rarely external. If one culture is more successful than another, its because the former has attributes and characteristics that make it more attractive to adopt than the latter. Maybe its better suited to the economic conditions at the time, maybe the host culture has lost its initiative and drive and is just wasting away. A good example of this is religion - and how it spreads
Its okay to be angry, but being angry wont really change anything because it wont impact the fundamental forces causing the cultures internal decline. Cato railed at the decline of rome, but the inertia was too late to change at that point. The turning point for western culture was circa 1975-80, its too late to change things now. But that doesnt mean you cant take advantage of the situation to improve your standing and that of your offspring
FinallyRed 9y ago
Exactly what I meant. Many think that our ancestors success at the expense of their rivals somehow precludes our right to secure a successful existence for ourselves and lineage. I reject the memetic plague undermining my race knowing I have little reach in helping others.