The traditional way to control female sexuality was marriage, which was a lifelong exclusivity contract. Originally, marriage was a collusion between women and the elite, benefiting these two classes against the interests of the majority of men: The initial form of marriage was, of course, polygyny, where the elite got all the women, while women themselves used their young-age sexual power to secure providing into their old age, even after all their attractivity had withered and vanished.
Monogamy is a recent thing, a grudging concession of both the elite and women to lower class men. When we say that "monogamy was good", this is only in relation to polygyny. Monogamous societies had a greater degree of social cohesion than polygynous ones. This comparison, though, does not take into account pre-marriage societies, "free sex" societies.
Unchecked female hypergamy corrodes social cohesion. Nature never meant female sexuality to be unchecked - and that is why it made men physically stronger. An absolute control over life's gateway to the future is too much of a power. If females could have it, and be so much better off than men in this regards, there would be no reason for the existence of men, we'd all be female.
Now the issue is whan ways men possess in order to control female sexuality. Traditionally, there was restriction over when it was acceptable for women to have sex. This is not a male control strategy. As Roy Baumeister argues in what is, I believe, one of the most important papers around female sexuality ever, the view that marriage and practices like virginity, slut shaming, and even female genital surgery, is male control over female sexuality, i.e. the traditionalist view, "received hardly any support and is flatly contradicted by some findings. Instead, the evidence favors the view that women have worked to stifle each other’s sexuality because sex is a limited resource that women use to negotiate with men, and scarcity gives women an advantage".
Another important reason why restricting female sexual activity was up to recently the standard, is that the elite used sex as currency. "Don't forget your Freud: Civilization is built on blocked, redirected, and channeled sexual impulse, because men will work for sex." By "civilization", of course, the elite mean the status quo, the continuous ruling by themselves. Female sexuality is the carrot of the system, and the elite don't want it to be readily available to the plebes.
Finally, the modern age with Tinder and the hookup culture clearly demonstrates that the attempt to control females' capacity to choose is vain. In fact, there is even evidence that male jealousy, mate guarding and male pair-bonding is a service to the female, a convenient way to drive away males of lesser value, while the female's option to engage in sex with a higher value mate can never be totally thwarted.
If then the attempt to control when women have sex is futile, is there another way to control female sexuality? Of course there is. Instead of limiting who women are allowed to have sex with, we could restrict who women are allowed to deny sex from. That was the solution that operated in the early human communities, and it is the only solution compatible with a society of male primacy. I realize that this may sound as total hubris, in a society where female primacy has so deep roots as to consider any instance of males being the sexual selectors as, effectively, rape. Furthermore, it requires a departure from the mainstream view that men are primarily interested in paternity certainty. Well of course they are, when their sexuality is so restricted. But the pure male sexual strategy is to seek maximization of their sexual encounters, not the beta fall-back to a, convenient for the females, role of parental provision.
In the core of this approach, manocentricm, is the notion that society should belong to men, as opposed to the elite and the global Sisterhood, which is the case today. It is the idea that men can bring about a rational allocation of resources, female sexual access being one of them - in fact the most important one.
Is this notion Utopian? First thing, this was how things were in the past. We can observe such social arrangements today, as a proof of concept, in the case of some primates, where females have sex with all the males when entering a tribe. There is also the very specific anthropological examples of Vladimir town and the Canela tribe: In 1917, in the town of Vladimir, every eighteen year old girl was required to register to the bureau of free love. Men in possession of a certificate showing that they belonged to the proletariat would have the right to these women. Note the context: this was long before Stalin became a dictator, and these were men that against all odds had organized, fought and won against the Tsar, one of the most powerful Monarchies that ever existed - and were now claiming what though was theirs. Isn't this a very consistent example of the Marxist "from each according to his ability to each according to his need"?
In the Amazonian tribe of Canela, girls, before marriage, are expected to provide sex to men. During their summer festival they are expected to have sex with as many as 25 men, sequentially.
Another example is the pristesses-prostitutes of the Ancient Greek world. These were actually daughters of the elite, devoted to temples, that had the duty to provide sex to men of their society - until they would end their service and marry, carrying no shame. So, the idea of a male control against the female sexual veto is not simply theoretical.
Now is the notion that I describe Utopian in today's society? Perhaps. The good thing is that even the half-assed, unsatisfactory solution of a return to monogamy, with a sexually faithful woman, seems Utopian nowadays. It is understandable that the first reaction to a crisis, as is the modern crisis of the male identity, is to play it safe and revert back to "the good-old ways". This is a conservative, middle-of-the-ground solution. It is also a waste of the opportunities this crisis presents us: to question everything, and re-discover, at least in theory, what a real male dominance would mean.

revengeofthecrazy 9y ago
Interesting ideas. Very collectivist at the base. A few factors I think that should be considered or you could think about:
In your thinking, you don't talk about reproduction, only about sexual gratification. This is only relevant in highly advanced societies where pregnancy can be almost entirely avoided. In fact, these societies aren't far from changing the way in which sex drive works biologically, so maybe controlling the human species by ideology won't soon be necessary anymore? (Removal of sex drive completely solves the problem. It my even be easier.)
In a primitive "more naturally healthy" society, male-female bonding results in feelings of love and belonging together for a while. Sex as young people has a very strong bonding effect and would normally result in pregnancy and offspring. Man and woman are then happy to carry out their natural gender role. Take away pregnancy and we encounter very new, much more abstract problems, all of which are widely discussed in TRP. Humans aren't made to not reproduce, we are really trying to solve this dilemma for society, fighting against our own nature.
These are just some abstract thoughts, maybe you get something out of them.
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
I do believe that men are not naturally interested in reproduction. In historic societies, i.e. societies that came after hunter-gatherers, reproduction had very specific benefits for men. To put it simply, having daughters meant you could exchange them for other young women, and having sons meant you had bodyguards to guard your harem. Or they could just work your fields, increasing your wealth and status - so, more women to be gained.
There is no way to change how sex drive works. You can divert it, pervert it, but not really change it. Unless you mean mass-prozac-ing the population, which does indeed work, and is what we are in fact seeing.
Precisely.
In small-scale societies, a woman would gladly have a sexual relationship with someone she didn't like that much, if that would secure her against having to have sex with even more undesirable partners. The security that a single man could offer was substantial, a valuable resource. Historic societies, in the past 6000 years or so, are basically taxing men, and using the revenue to fund a free protection scheme for all women, tilting the scales in favor of women.
revengeofthecrazy 9y ago
I do mass-prozac-ing or transhumanism, chipping, some sci-fi stuff, that will eventually come into our reality.
About the small scale societies: A man being useful used to give females tingles. This was when what we now call "beta" was sort of a good thing. Now the state and smartphones take care of women's needs. We should take both away from them. Not sure how... :)
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adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
I agree. Though they sure get very well paid for their service to the elite. Less demanding jobs, no wars, better healthcare, less sentencing in course... 7.5 years of life more, and a better one also.
I see it more as a collusion, than being used. They have agreed to "hold sex a hostage", as Roy Baumeister puts it.
[deleted] 9y ago
Guys, this kind of shit is the reason why feminism happened in the first place. I have been burned by female hypergamy myself, but you cannot treat half the world's population like cattle to be sold for your pleasure. Humans are still humans after all.
I'm not against women having freedom, I am for improving ourselves to be in the top 20% and get the quality girls. That's all. And if you want to tell me quality girls don't exist, I suggest you get off your lazy ass, go lift and go out more, than maybe, just maybe, one of them will eventually talk to you.
Callooh_Calais 9y ago
Why not? That was pretty much the dominant order for most of history.
[deleted] 9y ago
I agree. Wanting to control female sexuality is one of the most typical tradcon masturbatory fantasies.
Let the women be women and appreciate them for what they are. Pros and cons. If they're not fucking you, it really isn't their fault. It's yours.
WeedDaddy 9y ago
You're arguing for female primacy: that men should lower themselves to compete for women's fancy, often in frivolous activities (partying, bodybuilding, tattoos) which men don't like.
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
See? Your comment got upvoted, despite claiming "humans are still humans after all". There is hope for this sub, no? :)
While mine got (predictably) downvoted.
It is interesting that your humanitarian sensitivity got triggered when the discussion is about women. That's gynocentrism in action. The truth is, right now, not half but 99% of the world's population is treated like cattle. Not only do they work in dehumanizing, shitty jobs that they despise, but those that are males are subject to being summoned and sent to die in wars, for the interest of their masters. It is really Matrix-like, with the elite sucking up the lives of the plebes. The middle-class is still in denial over it, but as the economic crisis deepens, they get the shivers, an existential crisis, lest they be deprived of their semi-privileged position themselves.
And as many have noted, "civilization", i.e. this situation, is based on forcing men to work, largely in order to be in position to somehow satisfy their sex drives, even with the beta way of providing.
If sex work is another kind of work, (and if being in the military killing people, hideous as it is, can be considered work, surely sex can too), then my description would amount to women just doing some community work like only them can do, something like the selective service for men. Note that this solution is quite liberal as well, since it does not take away women's right to choose her sexual partner - it does take away, for a limited life period, their right to reject a sexual partner that society, i.e. men, consider worthy.
The idea is that unchecked female sexual choice is not compatible with a developed, human society. Indeed, the human female's sexual strategy is that of the female gorilla, and we humans didn't end up as gorillas only because it was the male sexual strategy, not the female one, that was winning, during our evolutionary period. Those that praise the achievements of current civilization fail to see that the greatest leap of civilization was the leap from animal to human, and this was done while in male-primary, not female-primary societies.
I'm going into more detail in my book, The Empress Is Naked.
razormachine 9y ago
You did bring up one interesting point.
In the case of war in most of the countries man and only man are required by the law to participate in the war, kill other man and get killed. And I don't feel bad about it. However I get sick at the idea of woman getting raped.
If we are disgusted by the idea of institutionalized rape of woman, and at the same time feel indifferent about the institutionalized killing of ourself than we truly are indoctrinated.
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RedSovereign 9y ago
Don't insult and harass members.
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
Disagree as much as you like. Keep it respectable next time, though.
SkorchZang 9y ago
No matter how fast you shuffle your feet on that blue pill treadmill, you will never outrun female hypergamy.
"If only I work hard enough, I will be worthy!!"
[deleted] 9y ago
Men get laid all the time in this hypergamous society, mate. Honestly, if I had to resort to enslave women to make them have sex with me, I would feel like such a worthless omega it'd take all the fun out of the conquest.
Like it or not, we men are built to want to fight each other (in the corporate ladder, these days) to attract the best women. That bullshit about enslaving women to make them have sex with us all to end male-on-male competition and focus on 'creativity' is like asking for free government handouts to us all because we are too much a bunch of weakling betabitches to work for a living (and for a good fuck).
Any man with a shred of self-respect would be as offended by these bullshit suggestions as the average woman.
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
Listen, you cannot both claim that women are frail, vain, superfluous beings and shitty characters and hold their sexual preference in someone as a measure of his quality. Psychopaths would be the greatest men alive.
WeedDaddy 9y ago
That's true conquest, not this horseplay "alphas" do around women to court their good graces.
Way to mentally enslave yourself to unadvantageous conditions.
Besides, men don't compete against each other at corporations: promotions are mostly based on years served and favoritism, maybe on luck for having been involved in a high-profile project.
Such shaming language makes one suspect a troll.
commedesfucc 9y ago
says the basic bitch who is so low-grade he's getting cheated on by everyone he dates.
[deleted] 9y ago
Are you projecting? What did your woman do to you? Did she leave you for Chad Thundercock, and now you're crying your eyes out at night and hoping some big vengeful apocalypse will happen that will guarantee you free enslaved pussy because that's the only way you're ever going to get some?
Grow the fuck up, dude. Get some self-respect. Go learn how to be a man, not a little bitch who whines because hypergamy is too mean and doesn't give him any toys to play with.
commedesfucc 9y ago
no woman has ever cheated on me, i might be the one with infidelity issues in my past tho. lol, i get it in dude, i'm a runway model. i'm a feminist who is pro-having however much sex you want no matter your gender and not getting shit for it. at the age of 21 i've had sex with more people than you almost guaranteed. id be up at the very tippy top of the bell curve on partners.
i am 1000% opposed to something like enslaving women. i think you misunderstood me lil beta.
commedesfucc 9y ago
i mean, lemme tell ya man, i'm having great monogamous relationships and when im not im hooking up with really beautiful women and im a skinny fuck. fashion, form, and being interesting will get you further with the cutest girls than ill-fitted blazers and muscles (though being so lean that at 140lbs and 6' you've got abs doesn't hurt, ottermode is easily the most sought after otherwise). i mean, unless you like girls who are REALLY surface level. but those ones are never attractive. unless the girls in your average brazzers vid are what you aspire to.
[deleted] 9y ago
You're 6 feet tall and 140 pounds? Jesus fucking Christ. You're confusing ottermode with auschwitz mode.
commedesfucc 9y ago
i was saying im really thin or Auschwitz mode as /fa/ and you would say. otter mode is the other popular one. im not SLP-model thin, but just thin enough. it's just about 5% bf, with no muscle.
[deleted] 9y ago
That's gross and unhealthy. Like, really unhealthy.
tired_of_shaming 9y ago
Then it's a good thing you aren't the one he's trying to attract with that body, isn't it?
Just for the record, that weight is not at all unhealthy given his BF% (he isn't skinny fat, for sure ;). It's in the low normal range.
[deleted] 9y ago
It's at the very very low end of the healthy range just going off BMI. But if you're 5% BF with no muscle that's not healthy at all. Although I doubt he's actually 5% BF. Shit, I'm 5'8 140 and I wear a kids XL , and that's with 13-14% BF.
commedesfucc 9y ago
i eat a good deal and i run. i'm probably healthier than most people. my doctor says i'm one of the healthier things she's seen.
there's nothing unhealthy about it, and i get more booty than you ever will so i'd say it's hardly gross. it's the most sought after body type by a long stretch. only thing is you need a face and charisma and no one at redpill has that lol.
[deleted] 9y ago
Lol the fact you're getting so butthurt leads me to believe I'm striking a chord with you. "Hurr hurr I get more ass than U hurr hurr u have no charisma hurr". That's how retarded you sound.
No, the ideal body type is not the Kenyan refugee/auchwitz look. Not even remotely close. Ottermode requires some actual muscle, which you don't have if you're 6 ft 140. You'd look better if you did even basic light lifting. Fuck, this dude weights more than you do and is barely taller.
If you want to be a ridiculously skinny runner go right ahead, but let's not pretend that looks good or is even the ideal body type. Or healthy, assuming you actually are 5-7% bodyfat, which you probably aren't.
commedesfucc 9y ago
this is most definitely an ideal look, especially if you're not an amerifat like i assume you are.
now if you're highly unstylish and unattractive then maybe you need to be a big bulky bro to use as a crutch for your lack of a defined face or a personality. i mean, i'm not butthurt im here to make fun of you for having such a simple minded view. i'm telling the honest truth when i say i get approached a lot and it's not because of some secret method, but just because i'm attractive and a musician/model/student with really well kept fashion sensibilities.
[deleted] 9y ago
Those have to be three of the least masculine men I've ever seen. I mean, I guess that's an ideal look if you're a eurocuck going to metrosexual alternative dance scenes like I imagine a musician and "model" with the muscle mass of the average starving Somalian and the thigh gap of an 11 year old girl would be.
Seriously, that looks like an impromptu fashion show at an anorexic anonymous meeting. Fucking nauseating.
Chicks are going to take a guy with muscle over someone who looks like he's cosplaying as Christian bale in the machinist.
If you think any of the three outfits in the above pictures represent "really well kept fashion sensibilities" than you're an even bigger pickle kisser than I thought. And that's saying something considering you're a STEM student who does alternative music and frequents the blue pill and shit Reddit says.
commedesfucc 9y ago
lol the old world concept of masculinity is sooooo dead m8. SLP is one of the biggest Parisian fashion houses today, and you're calling them fashion inept. you just know nothing big boi.
i've been known to go both ways if you want, but i like women and women like me. and every time we see musclely dudebros we cringe because most of them think like you. androgeny is the future.
the real fun thing about you is how unaware you are that the fashion and ideals in mad men aren't meant to be a guide book. i'm sure the ladies will like you though at your local basic bitch watering hole while you wear your ill fitted blazer and fedora.
you see, it's almost as if there's not only one thing women want. its almost as if the women i want don't like dudebros like you. it is far more true that they like people like me.
enjoy being a talentless loser.
SummertimeMelancholy 9y ago
Not to rain on your parade but every single study cited here is LRM-except a brief cameo by C. Hakim-. This means those studies are not worth the paper they're printed on. Actually I think one of them is a "web" journal so at least their "publishers" know it's not worth publishing.
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
Noted, although I doubt many respectable journals would publish studies highlighting that women suppress their own sexuality, or that they are the primary responsibles for FGM. They would cease being respectable...
SummertimeMelancholy 9y ago
They do. Buss et al. (2017) is a recent example. Being respectable in scientific world is not about where your moralities lie but rather how robust your methodology is.
trpthrowaway2003 9y ago
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WeedDaddy 9y ago
It means that men need to live on women's conditions and according to their preferences.
In that case, I have a few "How to get rich" courses to sell to you...
trpthrowaway2003 9y ago
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WeedDaddy 9y ago
I wasn't referring to it either. Assuming that some knowledge could get a man laid, applying it requires a him to give up his own interests and preferences. This is especially an issue for introverts. "Gaming" women requires doing things to please them: having hobbies, friends and lifestyle which women find attractive.
trpthrowaway2003 9y ago
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JamesSkepp 9y ago
What you propose (if I understand it correctly) is simply sex-welfare state?
The concept itself in an interesting thought experiment or alternative to today's 80/20, but it's not going to work in reality (unless legalized prostitution somehow gets accepted as normal job/part of society).
What about the hypergamy or the top 20% men? There will always be some differences between individuals, so it's expected that some men will be valued more than others.
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
Yes, I suppose you could call it sex-welfare. Maybe sex tax would be an even better definition. Sex is one of the basic human needs, (Maslow has it at the same level as food, water and sleep), and there is a great difference in the sex drive of men vs women. Letting women, as a group, have absolute control over that resource is, in my opinion, at the base of all evils of society. I don't trust that women's allocation of sex is rational at all. It is not the top 20% of men that gets enough sex. The distribution is very extreme. A realistic figure, for western society, would be that only 0.5-1% of men gets adequate sex, in terms of quantity, quality and variety.
Learning Game is an individualist solution, and that's fine, and as far as one needs to go in order to get sex for himself. But when we get into wider societal change, this is the direction that would benefit men as a group, instead of going back to "the wedded life of leaden boredom, which is described as domestic bliss", to quote Engels.
antariusz 9y ago
Heh, well as much as I appreciate a good "modest proposal" satire.
I do take issue with your numbers. Many men that are outside of the top 1% still get a high quantity and quality of sex. For example: me. Different men have different definitions of "adequate sex" but if a guy like me can get "adequate sex" then we aren't anywhere close to being able To agree on what a 1% male nor on what adequate sex is. Because from my point of view I'm probably not even a top 10% man objectively, and yet I'm still sleeping with multiple women, multiple times per week.
JamesSkepp 9y ago
It is based on their sexual strategy. I agree it's not rational (fair in relation to what men do to get it), but I have serious doubts about women (as a whole) being able to rationally "distribute" sex. It's either their biology ("seek alpha genes") or their cultivated (by society in general and personally) vanity ("i wanna fuck only hottest guys, because i deserve the best").
I used the 80/20 as commonly accepted name for the "system" we have now. From what I can see day to day basis it's not 20%, this is most likely true.
aznredpill 9y ago
forcing women to have sex with everyone. Yeah, that'll go well.
The only times that shit happens is with force/coercion aka ISIS kidnapped bride type shit
quietthomas 9y ago
Nah - it's a negotiation; and porn is man's upper hand (ha ha). Feminist equality is nothing more than the emergence of an era in which women will have to appeal to men just as much as men have to appeal to women; because porn gives men the power to refuse sex. What we're seeing is an exchange of tactics, and a neutralizing of control. Neutral sexual equality - and it's not a bad thing.
[deleted] 9y ago
Only the lowest of the low try to use porn to fill the void of human interaction in their lives. Porn will never replace real women.
Using porn to self medicate is sadder and less effective than almost anything else. Trust me, I know.
commedesfucc 9y ago
if you were a real alpha and a real stoic you wouldn't be so governed by your peepee that any woman who sucked your dick has power over you.
razormachine 9y ago
It does sound like a total hubris however this falls into one thing that is 100% real in some countries. Legalized prostitution. Feminists are against legalized prostitution although according to the feminism woman has the freedom of the choice. And the reason is because prostitution drastically lowers the power of the pussy. This fit's in your notion that females are the one who try to control female sexuality. They try to raise the power of their pussy by making a shortage on the market. Studies had shown that females are the ones who slut shame the most. By legalizing prostitution the power of the pussy drops, and beta man have a good reason to wake up early in the morning and go to work. Also the 80/20 rule slides to more realistic 60/40.
commedesfucc 9y ago
it depends on the feminist. all of my feminist friends are 100% pro-sex work. i find it rare to see one against sex workers, as whether they agree with the practice or not, legalizing the industry is better for the women (and other genders) who are in it. like, drastically so, and there's been a lot of discussion in the feminist world on this exact thing. it's the christian politicians and the dudes who dream of the glory of the 50s who keep prostitution illegal for the most part.
80/20 may be a rule if you're boring, but it's not if you're a real cool kid.
and the "power of the pussy" isn't something women think about, at least on the majority. it's something betas like you think about because your peeper controls you more than your brain. a real alpha is a stoic and can overcome that emotional rush to need sex to tell him he's a man.
razormachine 9y ago
And I'm guessing you consider yourself to be an Alpha?
commedesfucc 9y ago
i don't really apply simplistic terms like that to myself i guess. i jokingly use it when i'm confronted with broscience enthusiasts tho.
razormachine 9y ago
Well I have a simplistic term that describes you perfectly but I'm going to keep it a secret.
Now why don't you go ahead and play with your feminist friends? :)
commedesfucc 9y ago
i'm a feminazi too lil boy don't worry.
there's no simplistic terms that exist that can describe about anybody, but certainly not me.
razormachine 9y ago
You are such a special snowflake.
Now don't keep your feminist friends waiting.
commedesfucc 9y ago
but im not! im just any other stem student who makes synth music. i don't want to be special. that'd be boring, and that's not me. as an existentialist i embrace the lack of specialness, as it's what you create of not being anything significant for yourself that matters.
you just want to assign meanings that don't exist to the insignificance, and make yourself the logical dominant one. and that's why i rail against you :--)
razormachine 9y ago
You sure like to talk a lot about yourself.
Steve_Wiener 9y ago
It aint gonna happen, bro. This ship is sinking fast.
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
You are probably right. We might as well go down knowing where we fucked up, though.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Yah, this was called "marriage" for about...all of recorded history until the 1970's.
In the past as in....BEFORE CIVILIZATION.
If you want to go back to caves and hunter-gathering this will work. Otherwise, marriage is the only way to maintain a free civilization and incentivize the beta men to work. You can motivate the Beta men in other ways, but these all involve slavery and/or extreme coercion. Maybe in the future we can tie in your screen time with completing your daily work assignment? That is not quite slavery, but right now you have 2 choices, marriage or slavery. There is NOT a third option if you want to maintain a civilization.
The way to destroy marriage is exactly as you say- give the women a veto about sex, aka- GIVE WOMEN ALMOST ALL THE POWER IN MARRIAGE. Once wives completely control sex in the marriage, they own the guy. At the same time she will lose attraction for him as he slaves ever harder to "please" his mistress, she of the golden uteri.
To speed things up, take away the children from the men by law, at gunpoint if necessary, and give the woman all power over the children.
Poof.
To clarify, I am saying that "real male dominance" in society would mean something inconceivable in society but not because of the traumatized, brutalized women. Imagine if men had carte blanche to fuck any woman they wanted! I am as certain as the sunrise how that would play out. Nothing...and I really mean NOTHING would get done. Ever. Society would collapse overnight as the power went out around the world.
However, "real male dominance" could be restored in Marriage. This would provide the incentive for men to work hard so they could get a good wife who was subject to them. The rapey, shitlord answer to the marriage crisis- repeal all marital rape laws and recently enacted domestic violence laws.
TLDR: I don't think we need to return to Hunter-gatherer times. how about we just return to the 1970's?
Edit: full disclosure: My book is about marriage so I kind of have a thing for this: Saving a low sex marriage: A man's guide to dread, seduction, and the long game
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
As I wrote above, I consider the greatest civilization to be the making of human out of the animal. Every comparison of two human civilizations pales before the comparison between man and animal. This is not to be forgotten or underestimated. And this was done during male primacy, and long before marriage appeared.
You have got the elite's view of people, that they are basically worthless and lazy. This is a projection (from the elites). On the contrary, most humans are curious, creative and industrious, as is evidenced by preschoolers. They do get lazy and dull when they start having the sociopaths that are the elite telling them what to do. Their evidenced laziness, in this society, is actually an indication that they are still somehow alive, and react.
For the elite, productivity is only a secondary issue. Their first priority is control. And they achieve it by blocking a basic human need in men, sex, with the help and collusion of women.
I understand that a male-control marriage is much better than a female-controlled one. This, however, is not an argument in favor of marriage, which is practically a means to turn every man into a provider, i.e. a beta. There was never much male control in marriage anyway, if we take Esther Vilar's word...
Thanks for the link to your book, I will definitely check it out.
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adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
You've got a healthy suspicion, I like that.
Indeed, if sexuality was under the control of women, this was their own version of CC. But it wasn't.
Invoker11 9y ago
Or you can just grow a pair and get ALL the women....
Stop trying to control others, stop using others, stop being used by others
You need to stop being so insecure,jealous
Blows my mind how insecure,jealous,controlling,manipulative you fuck boyz are -- Actually.. Most people [male and female] are like this
People get what they deserve eventually... I think it's karma mostly... lmao
aanarchist 9y ago
great post, and thanks for the articles ima read them later for sure.
i had a similar idea when i read this one story. it was a primitive society where there were basically no rules and everything was in abundance, and women had sex with men indiscriminately. everyone was happy and satisfied because there was literally no conflict.
it made me think, how if women didn't say no when men wanted to have sex, if there was nothing denying them and if women just accepted all men for what they were without judgement or discrimination, there would basically be no violence, no crime, complete utopia.
now of course we can't expect women to want to have sex with sean stephenson the 2 foot cripple with a an enthusiastic smile on their face. you made a good point there with limiting what kind of men women are allowed to reject.
i think under such a system masculine energy can be properly directed into true creative interest rather than fighting to get on top of the ladder, which imo is really unhealthy for the male psyche in the long term. men united are better than men divided, and women have been dividing men and getting them to kill each other since time immemorial. fucking wars have been started over women, remember helen of troy? those two kings threw their armies at each other when they could have been trading partners, good friends and neighbors. under a system where men are not denied access to women and the women have for lack of better words a societal obligation and expectation of providing sex to men, i can see progress.
i actually didn't know that thing about the greek priestesses. that actually sounds like a great system, even the top elites paid their dues.
blackestwidow 9y ago
you do know that helen of troy wasn't real, don't you?
getRedPill 9y ago
Absolutely utopian BS. Never happened.
aanarchist 9y ago
see your lack of creativity and ability to imagine up things is what keeps you a slave. all of man's greatest creations started as a mere daydream in his mind. the purpose of the blue pill was to turn men into cogs in a machine, unfeeling, unthinking, unimaginative.
getRedPill 9y ago
So, by talking about "creativity" and "imagination" you admit abundance is fable. Never in the past there have been an age of utopian abundance but cruel and ruthless scarcity.
jonknownothing 9y ago
And guess what if none of the man want to take care of the kid since it's extra cost and nobody know whose kid it is.
aanarchist 9y ago
true though. if they set up a situation where every man is guarenteed a child i'm sure it would be fine. safe sex practice and all
RenoiDeter92i 9y ago
as fcked up as it may sound to some,if i could free myself from the frustration/anxiety/distraction that comes from the natural,physical desire to have sex/pursue women,i'd do it. the burden it causes on the mind is frustrating to no end. it would be a beautiful to truly erase this from my mind entirely to have nothing else but lifting/reading/studying and self-improvement in general to think about.
Rufferto_n_Groo 9y ago
TL;DR:
Women are the only ones who can control other women's sexual impulses.
Why would they do so?
Analysis now:
Because rampant unlimited sex imperiled their provisioning strategy.
So women created patriarchy to ensure the maximization of hypergamy and provisioning, maybe?
Any society whose women failed to control other women eventually destroyed themselves, e.g. Roman, Greek, American, etc. This is called "Bad Luck".
This then imperiled support and provisioning, and required women to step back up to control each other, resulting in the redevelopment of nations, though it takes centuries.