Summary As we all know, SMV is composed of Looks, Money, and Status. Baldness affects looks, and this thread is to help out the TRP brothers suffering from baldness. I will outline the steps I took to improve my looks, from simple and free to a $19,000 hair transplant. Now that I have more hair, I am getting results with younger and better looking women.
I began showing signs of balding at age 21. Now as a 37 yo formerly half bald man, I am creating this thread to show younger men what their options are. The earlier you start the better.
The Alpha Disclaimer Now wait - some of you will say: "Going bald doesn't matter if you are alpha! All kinds of bald dudes get mad pussy. You just need to be jacked and confident!" Well you may be correct, but I think there is one important distinction to be made: Being fully shaved/bald is one thing. But being a guy who is going bald, or in the middle stages, is the worst possible looking thing. Its much better to be fully shaved bald than half bald with a receding hairline and shiny forehead. But there is a third option - taking control and doing something about it.
The Disclaimer Disclaimer I am not a doctor. Do your research and talk to a doctor before doing anything listed in this thread.
Body My background: I am 37, 6ft, make $150,000/yr, have a killer prestigious job, and have had a slim muscular build since high school when I started lifting in the gym. I own nice things and dress well and travel when I feel like it. Sounds like instant alpha right? Nope. I had been going bald since age 21.
Between ages 21 – 31, I slept with an average of one girl every couple of years due mainly to having a lower SMV due to my baldness. I didn’t act like a beta. I would approach, approach, approach, and get shot down in bars and online a hundred times for each success. Any time I went to a dive bar and tried to hit on a girl younger than me, they’d look at my hairline and it was instant shutdown. Dating sites were the worst, zero responses at all from any woman even slightly attractive, although plenty of older women and single moms would reach out to me.
At age 32, I started making six figures and really upped my appearance, clothes, car, etc, which allowed me to sleep with an average of 4 to 5 girls a year. In other words, betabux was my path to success in the sexual market place. However, the women were usually my age or older, and obviously hitting the wall and settling down to a nice leisurely lifestyle of draining beta wallets. I always met them in high end bars and lounges, where my expensive shoes and watch demonstrated to them I was worthy of renting their vaginas.
At age 35, after years of research, I finally reversed my appearance and got a hair transplant for $19,000 by one of the top 5 doctors in the world. Since then I’ve seen a significant improvement in my SMV: I am now dating women 25 to 29 on average (five to ten years younger), even a 20 yo recently, and they are sometimes approaching me, which is new.
A hair transplant isn’t right choice for everyone. There are many options if you are losing your hair depending on where you are in the balding process and how much money you have. I’m not going to highlight them all, but I’ll share what I have personally used successfully. Lets start with the basics:
BALDING 101
The Norwood Scale is a graphical depiction of the various stages of baldness. Here is a good link, or just google Norwood Scale:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/seven-male-pattern-baldness-stages-satyam-hair-transplant
Throughout my 20s I was a NW4 or NW5a on the Norwood scale.
There are other factors to consider: hair density and hair caliber.
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Hair Density - density is how many hair follicles you have per square inch or centimeter. They say 80 - 100 follicles per square cm is normal on a non-balding male. After you lose about half of your density, you begin seeing scalp and appearing bald. Each follicle, btw, can have 1, 2, 3, or 4 hairs; the 1s and 2s are common in your hairline above your forehead, the 3s and 4s are prevalent in the crown (top-back) of your head.
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Hair Caliber - the thickness of each individual hair varies by person and generally by race. Thicker hairs contribute to your appearance of having a fuller head of hair. This is important if you have a transplant: for a given number of transplanted hairs, a person with thicker caliber hair will have a better or "fuller" looking result. Example: I am a white male and I have "fine" hair, or thin, which my doctor measured to be 40 to 45 microns on average. Sucks to be me. 50 to 60 microns is average. Hispanics tend to have thicker hair. Caucasians are in the middle. Asians tend to have the thinnest and thus they have the hardest time combatting baldness. You've noticed this on Asian guys with short hair: sometimes you can see his scalp straight through his hair, even if he's not bald at all.
- Hair Color - to a lesser degree, the color of your hair matters if you are going bald. The darker the hair, the more the contrast between your balding hair and your shiny white scalp. Therefore, those with lighter hair (red, light brown, blonde) tend to have a slightly easier time concealing with cosmetics and correcting with hair transplants.
OPTIONS
Below are solutions, or steps you can take.
I STYLING
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Shorter hair. A lot of men shave their heads, but that isn’t always necessary. Maintaining a 1 or 2-number buzz or short styled haircut can look a lot better for some men versus being shaved completely bald. What you don’t want to be, however, is the long hair dork trying to do an ugly comb over.
- Dry hair. Don’t style your balding head with a lot of gel. Or, use gel but fluff your hair once it dries. Dry hair appears more voluminous and hides your scalp better than wet hair or gelled hair which clumps together and reveals the scalp below.
II COSMETICS
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Concealers. There are many, but my favorite out there is Couvre. It easily gained me a year or two’s worth of “hair” and made me look a lot less bald. It is basically makeup for your scalp. Apply a dab of hair colored Couvre to a sponge then spread it on your scalp in the thinned out areas. Now your scalp will appear to be the same color as your hair, and not as much light will reflect off your head, so you’ll look like you have more hair. The downside is it rinses off if wet (aka be careful at the beach or gym), and after you sleep all night you’ll need to reapply. Its only about $20 for a bottle on Amazon which can last about 6 months.
- Shampoos and Conditioners. Experiment with “volumizing” products. Some of them actually work and will marginally improve your hair’s quality and appearance. I don’t have a specific one to suggest, because I am still experimenting, now with natural and organic types.
III DRUGS/TREATMENTS
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Nizoral etc. Some people use shampoos with active ingredients that are supposed to clear out the follicles similar to Rogaine. I’ve never had success with them, and they irritated my scalp.
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Rogaine Foam. AKA Minoxodil, this will regrow your hair in your crown area. Its cheap (about $15 per month or less), but it must be applied twice a day and once you stop you’ll begin to lose your hair again. But worth it, and has little to no side effects other than possibly dry scalp. Don’t screw around with liquid form of Rogaine, its messy and drippy and hard to apply and you’ll give up. Foam is easy.
- Propecia AKA finasteride (generic). This prescription (USA) pill will suppress DHT production which is what kills your hair follicles if you are susceptible to baldness. Propecia (1mg) is $60-$80/month, but generic finasteride (5mg) is about $3 per month – so go generic and buy a pill cutter and cut it into fourths. Most docs have no problem prescribing finasteride instead of propecia for hairloss if you explain the costs involved – and many are already taking it themselves. Propecia essentially puts your hairloss into slow motion, and possibly even regrows hair for some patients. What you are doing is buying time, and becoming bald hopefully much later in life instead of when you are young and your SMV is so fragile.
The huge caveat, of course, is that Propecia may cause sexual side effects aka erectile dysfunction. This immediately and severely happened to me when I was 25 when I first started using it. So I stopped. Biggest mistake ever. The ED never went away (yes, the side effects were permanent for me – limp dick persists even to this day, however the complete loss of libido did go back to normal after a month or so of quitting the drug. Because of these side effects, I didn’t use Propecia from age 25 to 30 – and I lost a ton of hair during this time. At 30, IDGAF any more and went back to Propecia. By then, I could afford Cialis and was man enough to admit to my doctor I wanted to try it, and Cialis mostly fixes the ED problem for me (I wish there was a cheap generic Cialis btw). My only regret is not getting back on Propecia sooner.
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Note about Cialis: most docs can throw you a free 30-count “trial pack” of Cialis which is $200-$250 value at the Pharmacy. Some docs will even give you samples each year or two during your physical when they renew your prescription. Additionally, the Cialis company sometimes offers a free voucher for a 30-day supply once a year on their website which is sometimes valid for existing patients.
- Second note about Cialis: don't be a cheap prick if you are having ED problems. Most guys won't blink if they have to pay $7 for a drink for a chick, but they'll say an $8 pill to have great sex is "too expensive". WTF are you buying chicks drinks then?
IV SURGICAL OPTIONS
The primary surgical option is a hair transplant (HT) which moves DHT resistant hair follicles from the side and back of your head and inserts them into the balding area on top of your head. Once transplanted, these hairs will never fall out again due to male pattern baldness. Back in the day (1980s) people got "plugs" like a doll and they looked horrible. Modern transplants are more consistent and look more natural, but it is highly dependent on the skill of the surgeon. There are plenty of surgeons out there with consistently horrible results (avoid Bosley and the other 3AM advertisers). But there are also surgeons with consistently great results. The big downside is the surgeries are expensive (budget $5k - $20k), last 1 - 2 days in the operating room, and you will look horrible for the first few weeks post-op, and then ugly for the first 4 months while all your hair falls out and then resets and the new hair grows in. Unless you have a job where you can wear a hat or work from home, everyone will notice you had a hair transplant during the recovery phase.
I will discuss only the two mainstream HT processes I am familiar with: Strip and FUE.
- Strip procedure - a long roughly rectangular section of scalp is cut out of your head from above your ear, back down and around your head, and back up to the other ear. That long section of hair is cut into thousands of individual follicles (follicular units aka FUs) which are then reinserted individually back into the front/top of your hair in the bald areas. The long strip of missing scalp is sutured/stapled back together, which results in a long linear (hopefully thin) scar around half your head.
Strip Benefits: Its significant cheaper than FUE, and more surgeons can do this well because its less labor intensive. Its cheaper and more can be done in one day. Its also high yield. Many surgeons can harvest 4,000+ FUs from the strip and then insert them all in one day. Overall, many observers argue the best Strip surgeons have better results than the best FUE surgeons.
Strip Downsides: Recovery is longer and much more painful. Your scar could be bad - best case will be pencil thin line, but it could turn into a horrible jagged stretched mess. You will have a scar and you will need to wear your hair a #3 cut or longer. You will look horrible for several months until your hair regrows and covers the scar, and you'll always have to style around the scar.
- Follicular Unit Extraction (FUE): a surgeon shaves your head and uses a small punch (ex: 0.7mm) to jab your head, twist the punch, and extract a sheathe of skin which contains a FU. That FU is dropped into a solution. He does this a few thousand times on the sides/back of your head where the DHT resistant follicles are. He then stabs you a few thousand times in the top/front bald areas of your head, and re-inserts these FUs into the holes.
FUE Benefits: Recovery is faster. No scar. You can wear your hair short, usually down to a #1 or #2 cut. There is no 10 inch long scar like the Strip procedure. There are usually, however, thousands of tiny (less than 1mm) white dot scars depending upon your healing characteristics, so shaving bald is usually avoided by the patient.
FUE Downsides. Labor intensive and expensive. The surgeon has to do thousands of extractions by hand and thousands of insertions by hand, which is tiring and expensive. Most surgeons can or only will do 1000 to 1500 FUs per day, and some will do two days in a row. This means smaller sessions. You will get less FUs transplanted in two days of FUE than one day of Strip, which means a smaller and more expensive transformation for the patient. If my descriptions weren't clear, or you want to gross yourself out, look these procedures up on Youtube. You'll also find some inspirational before & after videos there.
Caveat about HT’s: most HT surgeons are complete shit. Their results are horrible, and their patients are unhappy and look even worse off than when they began. A HT is the most serious option you can explore. Do your research. I researched for five years while saving. I did onsite visits with multiple doctors of both Strip and FUE. If a doctor has a shitty site with a limited selection of patient results photos, that is a obvious red flag. Doctors will sue patients, websites, and forums to protect their interests and silence negative reports and publicity. Don’t choose this path lightly, as there is no going back. But when it works, it can work wonders.
Personally, I did a FUE procedure with 3800 grafts/FUs. I chose one of the top 5 FUE surgeons in the world, who was in Europe. He did 3800 FUs in a two 12-hour sessions. His cost was about $17000 which included a hotel stay but not airfare. I spent another $2k on airfare, which included first class travel on the way back (the extra space and privilege will be worth it when you are recovering). He guarantees an 85% result - meaning at least 85% of the transplanted follicles will grow, or he will fix it at no cost. Guarantees are unsual in this industry. Bad surgeons have much lower yields - like only 50% of the FUs survive and grow. I estimate I had a 90%+ result, and am very happy. I went from a NW4/5a to a NW1/2 appearance. The change has been dramatic for me.
Research and Research
I strongly recommend if you are interested in a transplant that you find 2 or 3 hair transplant forums on the internet and read for the next six months to a year before making any decisions. You need to become an expert on the topic. Also understand that each web forum has biases that are sometimes obvious and sometimes concealed. Many forums have been sued by doctors and permit no discussion of the litigating doctors at all. Some forums suppress bad reviews of their preferred doctors by locking the threads or even deleting them so you'll never see the bad review. If you find a forum that only says good things about certain surgeons or attacks a patient for saying something negative, be suspicious. Other forums have sponsors they openly advertise and sponsors they never admit. Only through researching multiple sources will give you a shot at sorting out the good surgeons from the bad.
Conclusion
A quick note to the doubters or the brainwashed “believe in yourself & lift and your looks won’t matter crowd”: bullshit. Muscles are only one part of looks. Yes you will feel and look better if you’re hitting the gym. I know, I'm more fit than most. But there are a huge number of other factors that contribute to your looks: height, facial geometry, hair, eye color, clothing and style, etc. Some of those you control and some you don’t. Muscles you can control. Hair, on the other hand, like height, is something you’re born with – except you can exercise some control over male pattern baldness using the steps above, but a lot of men don’t know that or don’t know where to start. I am 6ft and started lifting when I was 17 and was muscular and had a six pack or was within a couple percent of a six pack for most of my adult life. Despite that, I slept with an average of one girl every 2-3 years until much later in my early 30s once I had those abs AND money (betabux). Now that I have a hairline, it is SO MUCH EASIER.
Tl;dr
I fixed my balding through a hair transplant and my SMV immediately increased. Any balding man should seriously consider immediately starting Rogaine and Finasteride to preserve what hair they have, and someday consider a hair transplant if they need it and can afford to go to one of the best surgeons in the world.
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YoureAfuckingRobot 9y ago
Jesus Christ this post just reeks of insecurity. OPs SMV wasn't diminished by his hair line it was diminished by his low, beta insecure personality. Anybody who goes into all this detail and work to cover his baldness has issues way beyond being bald.
Tldr: man up and shave your head you baby, and go brag about your money somewhere else.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
Bullshit. SMV is composed of Looks, Frame/Game. MMV (Marriage Market Value) includes Money, possibly Status, and lack of Frame/Game.
holybad 9y ago
another thing being completely unmentioned is some people dont have round heads. Some people just look awful bald. I for example have a round front and square back hear (well i have a corner on my rear right but not so much on rear left). what im trying to say is some people's heads are just so fucking unsymmetrical that going bald is simply a death sentence to their SMV.
I fall into that category and it irks me when blanket statements like 'just shave it off' or 'just own it' are thrown out. I look fine with hair (Matter of fact i think i look pretty good with hair) but when its gone my head will look like a potatoe that was used as a soccer ball.
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fluxbane 9y ago
i think we all know at least one guy with a head like what you are describing and i have to agree that for some people, no amount of game can fix a bald 'beanbag chair that has been sat on' looking head.
grubek 9y ago
I am in your same camp. I have a lemon head that looks good with hair but very weird without. It is almost as my skull tried to grow a punk line but just out of bone.
I still remember the look on the face of my then girlfriend when she first saw me after I had to cut all my hair to 0.
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holybad 9y ago
its a random pic from my tinder profile.
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Yes this is me, I started losing hair and shaving it off made me look horrible. I take fin and minoxidil now with the ketacazonole shampoo.
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How is that working out man?
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Soarinc 9y ago
Hi, there's a unconventional option out there. I tried this experimentally on a part of my face and holy **** that part of my face is extremely dense (probably 90 follicles per cm) and the hair is thicker there:
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/09/bald-truth-plucking-hair-out-can-stimulate-growth-study-finds
The only problem is how to make it a habit to pluck hairs where I'm prone to going bald...
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cattataphish 9y ago
Wholeheartedly agreed, as someone who shaved it at 24 and has never looked back. You're wasting a lot of time, effort, and apparently money on this.
[deleted] 9y ago
As a guy who's going bald I stopped reading halfway through and came down to say this.
Shave your. Workout. Own it. Not a problem.
[deleted] 9y ago
Why would I shave my workout? It's already pretty short...
[deleted] 9y ago
Haha, wow. Sorry about that. Head.
greatslyfer 9y ago
Sorry to be a booper pooper here, but I honestly don't think that people acknowledge that they perhaps have bad game, and THAT could be a reason as to why girls are blowing you out.
Even guys without balding problems or any other physical ugliness per say can get blown out just for their character.
In other words, how do you know it was just your receding hairline that was the problem and not other factors?
yomo86 9y ago
Beta or not your post is in my opinion ignorance gold.
A dude is sharing his options to fight baldness which is a genetic fitness marker for many men and you call him beta and having no game. I have full hair but a visible scar in my face. Physical disadvantages hinders people believe me.
Telling a criple without legs and arms that he could bang any hot chick if he just had game and do not act beta is a phallacy much like the blue pill version "just be yourself and be nice".
I just recently got laser treatment and boom girls approach themselves more than before. I get shot down less during my approaches.
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calibrateThought 9y ago
He makes 150k/year, and the hair transplant gave him confidence..."wasting" money is relative.
dareealmvp 9y ago
another point-if you're REALLY that much concerned about receding hairline, then can't you just shave your head completely and then get a full head wig? I mean I don't think it would even be 10% of the money OP has spent on all of the stuff he's done for his hairline.
I'm 21 and have receding hairline but right now I'm in college in monk mode, so never really gave that much of a damn about it. Always thought that if ever shit hits the fan then I just gotta use a full head wig after shaving my head.
PS: All of this is of course really trivial when compared to how important holding frame and building game is.
RealMcGonzo 9y ago
Also, this is a great test. Instead of dropping 20 large without knowing how it will work, get a wig and test it. If you pull enough new poon, then you can drop that kind of coin on your head. If not, you just saved yourself a lot of misery and money.
Meat-on-the-table 9y ago
Everything he describes points to him being beta for a long time, yet he refuses to acknowledge that and attributes his success and lack thereof to his hairline. Will balding hinder you? Yep, but Sean Connery is an iconic actor who started balding at 21.
It really is all about attitude. Some guys just want excuses.
Bricklayer-gizmo 9y ago
I was always in the top 10% looks wise before i got alpoecia areata, now i dont have eyebrows and my head looks like a loaf of marble rye. My baldness set on over the coarse of a year and a half and at first it seriously affected my game. After coming to terms with it i am back to my old idgaf attitude, it still hinders me i am sure but at the core women want a CONFIDANT leader regardless of flaws. That and i smash weights 5 days a week doesnt hurt. Its really all about being sure of yourself at ALL times.
larrythetomato 9y ago
All people everywhere want excuses for their failures. By being able to provide some to them (feeding their hamster), you will be able to persuade them. Most commonly this is used to sell them shit.
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Patrick Steward is another example albeit in a different genre and he was going bald at 16.
TheReformist94 9y ago
This topic is about balding and replacing hair for people losing hair. Not everyone looks like Sean Connery, so losing hair is pretty bad if you don't look like him.and if you don't have game its even worse.
Kakistokratic 9y ago
Connery wore a toupee did he not? Anyway as a guy fully bald since 20(started shaving it all since then) I can relate to OP's fear.
Shit, I still feel self-conscious of this and wonder of the SMV impact all the time.
Your point still stands though. All the lifting and grooming in the world ain't going to offset you assuming you're starting with a handicap against all other non-bald men.
RedBigMan 9y ago
I would honestly advise guys to try shaving it all off first because it's cheaper and easier route to go. Also bald as in the Q-ball look is in for male celebrities. Balding as in male-pattern baldness like George from Seinfield is not the look you want.
Bruce Willis, Dwyane 'The Rock' Johnson, Michael Jordan, Howie Mandell, Mike Holmes, etc... Before resorting to dropping $20k on your hair problems you should see if a $2 razor can fix the problem first.
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So much this. Just lift, dress nice, and shave your fucking head. Jesus OP.
Pm_MeyourManBoobs 9y ago
Your salary means fuck all. I have never gotten laid because of how much money was in my bank account, or what car I drove. It's All About frame.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Salary doesn't mean jack... but having a prestigious job could... Doctor, Lawyer, even police officer and firefighters.
MarkOkeef 9y ago
Are you a complete moron? Salary doesnt mean jack? SO women don't care about money and being bought things/financially secure?
Thats something people who don't have a lot of expendable income say.
RedBigMan 9y ago
No but I suspect you may be because I never said money wasn't important but women attach themselves to status over money. It is just that usually status and money are correlated.
A women would rather fuck a doctor who takes home 70k a year over a plumber who has his own contracting business and brings home 300k a year because when she introduces the doctor to her friends she can tell them he's a doctor and that's high status right off the bat.
play_time_is_over 9y ago
Unless you are bald you can't understand. Game is over rated and in fact if you're goid looking enough you don't even need game.
Look at chris from GLL. Girls will fuck him 10 mins after meeting him. 0 games, he is just top 99% in looks.
You can spit mad game and try to convince girls to fuck you. Or you can just be hot and put 0 effort into game. (Still need to approach aggressively).
GLL advice for bald guys is to step 1: embrace it. Don't try salvage it with a comb over.
Step 2: get jacked as fuck. Look like the baddest prison inmate they've ever seen. Look like you kill people for a living
Now you are hot and yea some girls will be afraid of you but the hyper-feminine ones will love you.
Also get tats
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I didnt think he's 99% better looking. He just has balls and is huge
play_time_is_over 9y ago
Well he was rated 9.9 on hot or not lol
[deleted] 9y ago
Yeah.. I've seen alot of his videos.. I don't know if he's a 10/10. He's definitely up there but not 10/10.
Pictures can be quite deceiving.
play_time_is_over 9y ago
Depends on what you deem attractive. He's not a model but most girls just want a model-esque boyfriend for social media points.
If yiu go off how many chicks have had sex with him (200+) it would be pretty high. Maybe looks arent up there but SMV he is probably a 10.
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There are guys with better bodies than him, better faces. He has had sex with lots of girls because he really puts himself out there. I mean think about his material about going out alone.. or going out with Scotty (Brian). His motto is to be above average looks, and go hard. Being above average isn't that tough.
Theophagist 9y ago
What a load of shit. Going bald, shave. Not going bald, go to a good barber. You aren't a woman, get out from in front of the mirror you old bald fuck.
PS - Try Olay brand tone perfecting cream to even out the color of your aging face.*
*I'm serious about this. It's good for my bald scalp too.
[deleted] 9y ago
I'd say...not going bald, shave anyway. Shaved hair is fucking awesome. I could never go back.
Theophagist 9y ago
Lots of benefits. It's certainly comfortable and a pair of small gold hoops look wicked sick on ya.
Bethefuture9 9y ago
This:
My background: I am 37, 6ft, make $150,000/yr, have a killer prestigious job, and have had a slim muscular build since high school when I started lifting in the gym. I own nice things and dress well and travel when I feel like it. Sounds like instant alpha right? Nope. I had been going bald since age 21.
= not alpha.
Alpha is more about how you think and act than how much shit you can accumulate and how much you can work for the man to make money you show other people. You remind me more of the rich dude who buys a Porsche during his mid-life crisis to try to get pussy than an alpha.
Stop looking at the outside and start looking inside.
knightSwolaire 9y ago
Omg wtf. If you're going bald, shave it clean and own that shit. Bald plus beard equals wet pussies
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Has balding seriously affected your game? It hasn't affected mine in any way. The worse response I had after a few dozen dates and meets was "I don't know" on the subject, and they like to get handsy with my head anyway after doing some proper kino and escalation. Typically I just buzz my head to a #1 and leave it at that. As for Rogaine foam tried it, didn't work. I was one of those what 15% that don't get results. And for another family member the moment they stopped it the hair got stiff then fell out less than 2 weeks after going off it, so once you start it you can't stop.
Baldness isn't really a problem. Even overweight and bald I am getting sex occasionally. Had a recent dry-spell for a few months but had a hot streak before and after that dry-spell. Not as much as I want but way more than pre-TRP and a lot considering I am in a mid-sized town and not a city. The biggest things to focus on are building muscle and/or weight loss, practicing game, flirting, power talk, and in general building confidence by getting out there. Baldness really has never been a barrier, so far the main one is height (like 2 mentions of my height, not many) and weight. Women I am with do not complain about my weight, never. But those are the ones that saw me and agreed to meet. I would very likely get way more responses if I stick to my weight-lifting and really work at weight loss.
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I was balding because of stress factors in my life, went into the shower and lost like hundreds of hairs a day. Then one day as I was looking in the mirror with a mirror above my head seeing the bald spot I decided that I had enough with the fear of balding and bought clippers and trim my hair with it. Now I only see plus points, no more money goes away into cosmetics like gel, shampoo or the hairdresser. And besides that even though some people try to put me down saying stuff like boldie I have got way more compliments saying it looks good on me and I carry a IDGAF attitude. Also I have got a way more agressive look on me and it's kind of fun to notice that people will not stand in your way. Sorry to say people but wasting time, money and energy on your receding hairline is a waste of those factors. Just accept it and live with it.
KhalilYousuf 9y ago
im working on an extremely experimental protocol thanks to /u/SwissTemples after seeing his results on the makeshift ghetto protocol which consists of Castor oil, Sulfasalazine+dutasteride and wounding + Lithium Chloride
Im doing the legit Protsaglandin Protocol which should get me even better results and it basically consists of
Im posting monthly update pics.
Heres baseline pics on the left and 4 weeks later on the right
http://i.imgur.com/RD8HRnG.jpg
If you zoom into the hairline you can see brand new hairs popping out.
Best part is absolutely 0 side effects so far.
Its been 6 weeks now and its getting a lot thicker.
Will post update pics in a few weeks.
KIZAN 9y ago
Idk what you mean when you say asians have thin hair, majority have straw hair like super thick.
White people hair I feel is much easier to style due to being thin, it has a naturally wavy style to it as well as a nice soft and full texture.
mehdreamer 9y ago
I am part of guys who think look matters a lot to modern western females...so I get your point OP.. I have another problem...a bit similar : I am 34 and my hair is turning grey. Not just few..but a big part of my hair.
I am targeting girls in their mid twenties...and I'm wondering if I should dye it..because it is making me insecure.
5t3fan0 9y ago
i started losing density and receding at 23, i started worrying about it... so i did the only logical thing. i cut everything as short as my beard-trimmer allowed, to "look into my inevitable future"
never growt any longer since. ITS JUST SO CONVENIENT AND EASY TO MANTAIN.
lodro 9y ago
I have to say, I don't believe your results shift has much of anything to do with your hair except to the extent it has boosted your confidence.
Women have only reacted to me more positively as my head became progressively balder over the years. I don't believe it has any significant effect except on very young women (21 and under) and women for whom it is a turn-on.
But I am jacked and style it appropriately (i.e. very short hair). Skinny-fat and balding is not a good look.
Also, blocking DHT formation is a terrible idea for anybody who wants to maximize his own masculinity. That stuff works in your brain and sexual organs. It isn't just a hair thing.
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Stythe 9y ago
Kinda have to disagree bud. I've been balding for years. It's noticeable. I've shortened my hair and shaved it before. I'm also I credibly hairy everywhere else. That hasn't dropped me from picking up women. Maybe at first some of them are hesitant, and sure some girls just don't dig it, but it's not something I can say has been an issue for me. It was when I felt it was one though.
Project_Thor 9y ago
As a male with a long blonde mane, I see bald guys as looking pretty damn badass. Morpheus.
Guuuoiiiii 9y ago
I mostly lurk but as a bald dude that is in shape and normal height, Im juggling multiple 7/10 women 18 - 24. I'm poor as fuck an a musician.
Just adding my own bald dude experience.
JohnnyRaz 9y ago
While going bald isn't the end of the world, Let's not sit here and pretend that being bald is anywhere close to as good as having a full head of lush hair.
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I'm showing no signs of balding but if i did i would shave it off entirely. Nothing more beta than a guy desperately holding onto the little hair he has. Own your genetics, bald guys with ripped physiques look badass.
IloveAFL 9y ago
Post a picture of your transplant man, I wanna see what you're working with.
NiceTryDisaster 9y ago
Fantastic post! I am not even balding. But your post is very well written and very informative. 10/10
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for about one year I was depressed when found out about lookism and tought that it is all about hair.
about one month ago I said fuck it and have started feeling hot - I dont know why but some girls are staring at me and some are smiling at me now..
you are what you think you are
TomilloDanup 9y ago
I'm balding and even if I do care about geting back my hair, for the rest of the world my baldness is not even there. Sure the haters in my life try to use it against me and once and only once a girl made fun of it. For the other 99.999% of people I meet or talk to it makes no difference. I don't pull mad pussy, I'm just a normal guy in his own RP path.
At the end I think I value my erections and libido much more than I value my hair. I'm still saving for the surgery tho'
Avskygod0 9y ago
I have graying hair due to genetics but strong hairline that probably wont ever recede (thanks grandpa), but is gray hair better or worse than balding?
sirencow 9y ago
I would choose grey hair any day
BoyWhoreWithASword 9y ago
I started going bald in high school.
I tried Rogaine and it didn't work.
After that I said fuck it and started shaving my head with a razor. Been shaving my head 2-3x a week for the last 6 years.
Why the fuck didn't you just shave your head OP? You had a horrible looking head of hair for a decade and didn't once shave it?
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I'll keep my bald head and rock hard dick thanks.
knightSwolaire 9y ago
Thanks. Everyone else is so insecure about balding.
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bowie747 9y ago
Is that Bruce Willis with a hot girl? Consider me a believer.
mehdreamer 9y ago
These are celebrities... I would like to see "real people" examples... I've seen few...bald guys with HB8's and HB9's... But they were kind of badass guys with tatoos... It's like a niche...some girls will like it...but you'll not be targeting the whole girls population.
tripthree 9y ago
As the OP I will say:
First good for you. I am not trying to prove you wrong. I am only trying to share what Ive learned for TRP brothers who want to know.
I am glad being bald works for you.
Second, your photos of rich celebrities prove nothing. Being a millionaire skews your SMV in a way most men here will never enjoy. Further, I highlighted abive I got laid a lot more when I made more money.
Third, the man in the video opens with a narrative reaffirming many of my points: short hair or shaving is good, comb overs and being in denial are bad. I didnt watch all video, but him hitting on random people in the street only proves he has game to carry a conversation. How many times did he get laid?
My point is pre HT I was dating equal age or older women. Now I am dating 5 to 10 yrs younger. Improving my looks has made a huge difference for me.
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tripthree 9y ago
I can see how you would say that. You're talking to a fit tall guy who is not shy and has hit on hundreds of girls and spent every weekend for years going out with buddies to the bars and beach.
At some point looks actually matter.
NotMyBestEffort 9y ago
This is from someone who spent 19000 dollars and a whole bunch of research to cover your own insecurity. i read this because I was curious. I'm 52 and balding, I use rogaine (minoxidil). Not gonna do surgery. Better to invest in clothes, exercise. My guess is that you were able to maintain your frame more successfully when you weren't concentrating on your lack of hair.
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donkey_democrat 9y ago
Again, nobody is saying it's impossible, just that it can help to improve that part of you.
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donkey_democrat 9y ago
I don't think it is bald as much as balding.
PrivilegedPrimate 9y ago
As someone who got thrown the genetic curveball at 17(Now 26), losing hair definitely has the potential to and in some cases absolutely do limit your success with the opposite gender, especially younger women who have a set list of physical "requirements" that rarely include cue ball. When I was in High School I didn't have the most solid frame in the first place, and when I realized I was going bald as a teenager you might as well have told me that my fate was locked in as some hairless leper forever ostracized from society and doomed to be a virgin for all time.
If I'm honest I doubt I would ever get propositioned out of the blue as much as I do now if I had hair like most dudes my age. I rarely go a night out on the town without someone going "Can I touch your head?" (Been shaving my head since I turned 20 and I can't say I miss it that much) or commenting on my beard. Now, aside from the lack of head-hair, my flat-footed and nearsightedness, I do have size on my side so that may mitigate it in some way. I say whatever you do decide to do with your more evolved headdress, you gotta own it and make it your own. Frame.
Will it always stay in the back of your head that maybe that girl who totally turned down your immaculately formed opener would be into you if you did have a more hirsute skull? Maybe. I would still get lasik before even considering doing a hair transplant and scarify my scalp forever. If they invent a pill that restores your baby hairline with no side effects, great.(I might still shave my head) If not, I'm not too bothered.
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
If you're going bald you need to increase your SMV in other ways. To anyone who says that going bald doesnt impact your SMV negatively - I would remind them of the following
scarthearmada 9y ago
I thought your choices here were interesting, so did some googling. Billy Zane goes home to this. Seriously, he smashes that. Chris Evans is apparently fucking this. She's Jewish, so he'll probably get even more acting gigs if it's true. But in a straight up comparison, Billy Zane -- at 50 years old -- just fucking slaughters Chris Evans.
Also of Note: Jenny Slate (who is supposedly pregnant) is 34, hitting the wall hard, and apparently just left her husband for the "bulky guy + hair" wealthy actor. It seems she's trying to branch swing hard and is trying to lock up a new male star.
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
You're comparing what they are dating now vs. what they could be potentially be dating. Huge mistake. Chris evans dated Minka Kelly, Vida Guerra, Gisele Bundchen, and jessica biel all in his past - just because he's slumming it now - doesnt mean the range of women that he's able to pull isnt huge.
In any case, the key point is that when you are bald, you need to worker harder to counteract its impact on your SMV.
scarthearmada 9y ago
First, you should know that I didn't downvote you. (Proof) Second, I'm not saying that Chris Evans hasn't been with hot women. I'm sure he has. What I'm saying is that Billy Zane -- at 50 years old -- is doing better than Chris Evans is doing now at 34. That's not in dispute. When he was younger, Billy Zane also dated gorgeous women, including Leonor Varela. And he's being going bald since his mid-30s, at least.
In no way do I dispute your key point. All else being equal, a guy that is skinny fat and bald will not look as good as a guy that is skinny fat with a full head of hair. You're fundamentally right. The main point for my response was to discuss your choices. But I also wanted to bring up Jenny Slate seemingly trying to branch swing right as she's about to hit the wall hard.
sexydude01 9y ago
Hair Transplants don't work mostly.
Just shave it, work out, get a good job and act "alpha"
popthatpill 9y ago
You should probably mention dutasteride (Avodart) too. Dutasteride takes longer than finasteride to clear from the bloodstream and so it gives a more steady serum profile. The US patent on dutasteride expired in November last year, so generics should be available by now.
Useful links:
Dutasteride is significantly more powerful than finasteride
0.1 mg dutasteride daily is about as useful as 5mg/day finasteride
tremondo 9y ago
awesome post! will need to refer back on this in the future for sure!
OldGuyRedux 9y ago
2 guys with same frame, bod, etc. - one balding. Who gets preferred?
Had a hairpiece since 40, in consulting/marketing - makes a difference as one gets older. Boomer women will stay with the conversation longer if there's hair on that older face/bod....IMO
knightSwolaire 9y ago
I really don't think you need to do all this. If you're in the mid stages, just accept your fate and shave it clean, often. Lift weights, grow out and shape a nice beard. You will not have any issues unless you're insecure, or lacking game/confidence.. which is a separate issue entirely.
knightSwolaire 9y ago
It should be stated that Bald looks great when its clean shaven, and there is a beard and muscles in combination. That is a powerful man and no woman will deny it.
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Going bald e.g. part-time baldness is huge source of insecurity. Even if you don't insecure and really don't care - people would think that you do. They'll start to tease you and shit.
verify_account 9y ago
Why did you skip the simplest and best option for most bald guys? Shave it and own it. I'd also recommend growing a beard. Even with your hair transplant you'll always been covering it up, and you'll need more in the future. Why didn't you shave and own it OP?
knightSwolaire 9y ago
Thanks. I've literally heard women tell me they cannot resist this exact combo. I'm actually looking forward to my hair falling out if you can believe it.
Il128 9y ago
Grow some beard stubble, problem solved.
Entropy-7 9y ago
I turn 50 this year and have been shaving my head for the last 20 of them. It doesn't seem to affect my interactions with women although the bitchy ones will specifically ask if I shave my head because I was going bald.
I never looked into hair replacement seriously and at this stage of the game I wouldn't invest $19k to do anything about it. A couple thousand would clean up the wrinkles under my eyes and bit more time in the gym would get the rest of my body in order to keep dating women 15 to 25 years younger. That's probably the better money spent for me personally.
But thanks for the info, OP.
knightSwolaire 9y ago
That's a shit test if I've ever heard one. You know what to do.
Entropy-7 9y ago
Totally a shit test but far from universal so I don't have a go-to response. I usually play it straight and confident with "Better bald than balding, and it works for me."
Although:
"It wanted to be free so I unleashed it; it feels quite liberating to be clean shaven, don't you agree?" -wink-
"I thought I looked better as a blonde but after one to many die jobs it all fell out."
Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?
knightSwolaire 9y ago
"maybe." smile/wink/a little kino or move in closer
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
Baldness only affects your SMV if it affects your confidence. There is a subset of women that prefer men with a full set of hair but studies show women precive bald men as more powerful.
sicknick 9y ago
There's also a large subset that loves bald men. I think it's growing with more guys shaving their heads these days.
OldSchoolRONaissance 9y ago
Lots of women LOVE bald. Baldness indicates high levels of T and women are wired to love high T men. Yes there are some who are brainwashed by Hollywood to go for the girly "metro-sexual" look but deep in their hearts BALD = TINGLES. Own it, be confident about it, maintain frame, and it'll give you way better results than dropping $19 grand on a hair transplant.
knightSwolaire 9y ago
Absolutely. Trying to desperately treat the baldness with risky procedures and pills shows a high level of insecurity.
lodro 9y ago
It can certainly effect your results with those younger women who are turned off or weirded out by older men, as they associate baldness with being older.
But it also effects your results with younger women who are turned on by older men, for the same reason.
Imo it's a plus to be at least somewhat bald if you are older (30's+) as you won't waste as much time with girls that are gonna be weird about the age difference anyway, and you get to game in easy mode on the girls who want daddy.
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lodro 9y ago
No - it definitely has an effect. First impressions, etc. Not the end of the world but it does rule out some women in some situations no matter how great your frame is.
TRP does not make a man into a sex machine that makes every woman tingle at first glance.
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knightSwolaire 9y ago
This is what this sub is becoming. Even a year ago this kind of post would have not been popular.
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Don't knock it, whilst there is a lot of generalising beta rubbish posted here, OP has at least given us useful usable information
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Original_Dankster 9y ago
Nizoral and Rogaine. Been using them for six months. I'm in my early 40s.
I only started losing hair about a year ago, and it was just a thinning out at the crown. Nizoral and Rogaine are really working well for me. If your hair loss is minor, they're a great option, highly recommended.
SlothOnRoids 9y ago
I buzz my hair real low, but also just started on Finasteride recently and it's working great for me.
GetrichonIMP 9y ago
I have a friend with great hair and gets tons of compliments and gets laid a lot. He's not that confident and has less game then me but can get it whenever he wants. Looks matter.
RedPillAccount69 9y ago
I'd just like to say that I have the opposite experience. It requires so much foam for me to rub in that it makes a huge mess. The liquid works much better for me.
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Great post OP. There is a good guide on bodybuilding.com forums also.
Started losing my hairline when turning 25, quite aggressively. I'm currently on finasteride + minox and hope it will give me 5 or 15 extra years with my hair.
I lost some dick sensitivity the first couple months but it came back after (time for the body to adjust to the new hormone profile). Libido is good now, and I lose much less hair and even start to get some regrowth.
NewlyFoundAgain 9y ago
I myself and other people think I look better with a shaved head than when I had hair. The key is your facial hair game needs to be on point. Rarely, if at all, can a guy rock a shaved head and clean shaven face. You usually end up looking like a giant baby or walking penis.
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NewlyFoundAgain 9y ago
On occasion I'll fuck up my beard and have to shave it off. Makes me look horrible for a few days.
dennislearysbastard 9y ago
Wow, this should be a sticky. Honest and comprehensive.
jmax123 9y ago
How was your doctor able to prove that the hairs transplanted are 'DHT resistant'?
Could it simply be that the area they fall out of is genetically conducive for hair loss. Does not make a lot of sense that the hairs on the rear of your head are somehow different.
aRedThought 9y ago
I have had cosmetic surgery, almost much minor than yours. I feel like the success you have after is due in large part to the boost in confidence it gives you. Sure you do actually look better but in no way should you have only slept with a few girls a year just because you were bald.
king_of_red_alphas 9y ago
While this is good info, HT's are notorious for their unpredictable results and risks.
Similarly, propecia was not only like chemical castration for me, it also induced a lot of horrible mental issues like anxiety.
Also, as others have said, some guys just have misshapen heads. I've seen some bald guys with totally flat skulls in the back or extremely pointy or lopsided skulls. They end up looking like the Toxic Avenger.
Some of these guys (and I may be one) can actually be better off just holding on to and styling what hair they have left. Even just the horse shoe fringe can look better on guys with skull deformities on their back or sides.
The good news is (for me anyway) that my as my body and confidence improved, so did my success with women, even though my baldness continued to progress. I don't even shave or buzz it. I just keep it short but with enough length to "frame" my face. With a beard and staying in shape it works just fine.
It's cliche but you can "rock" just about any look if it fits your overall image. There's markets for Bieber and Connery in this world.
Find your "brand" and make it work.
redpillsch00l 9y ago
You're only making $150K and you think you have a prestigious job? What are you state court judge, or some other government official? get a real job and make some real money.
One of my best friends from my home town was elected mayor. He made $86,000 a year.