TL;DR; Don't play the White Knight, especially with guns.
Introducing T.J. Antell, RIP the White Knight. TJ. owned a crossfit studio and was well liked enough (lifting folks ?) to be smashing decent pussy(picture provided). He seems have been working on some sort of combo hipster/zero dark thirty delta-force look.
T.J. also decided to get a concealed carry permit and go down to the local Texas Walgreens and live out his Vigilante Social Justice fantasy. This didn't work out well because:
- Lots of other people in Texas have guns.
- His designated Black Knight was done shooting at the presumed princess and so had time to shoot him.
- There's no Cross Fit or Krav Maga move for being shot in the face by someone who can aim.
- Risk Reward ratio for being the White Knight is ~infinity.
TJ thought he was "The Punisher" and was restoring Truth, Justice and the American Way. Now instead of laying out gym bunnies and enjoying the burn like Chad, he's laying in a drawer in the local morgue. His SO wins the pity Olympics though. And the state of Texas will be spending $1000k on prosecuting and locking up the Black Knight (no pun intended), who has gone from ankle shooter to killer.
Don't be T.J
APotter12 9y ago
If he allowed the dindu to get so close that he was able to slap the gun away, why was he even carrying a gun in the first place? That defeats the whole purpose of a ranged weapon.
sicknick 9y ago
Similar situation happened in my hometown about 10 years ago but the lesson I didn't get until I saw the paper a few weeks later.
Some kid saw a girl getting her ass kicked in the parking lot of a bar. He went over to intervene and caught a slug in the face. Dead at 22. Here's where I learned my important lesson. Few weeks later the shooter is being arraigned, the girl is sitting behind him in court supporting him. That girl I went to middle and high school with. She was the biggest whore, even in 7th grade, giving head and letting the boys suck on her titties. I just stared at the paper and was beside myself. To think that kid lost his life defending this whore and she sits there crying over her bf who's going to prison. I vowed after seeing that, I'd never step into a domestic situation.
verify_account 9y ago
Cold words but true. The only woman I'll risk my life for is my sister or LTR.
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pdpbigbang 9y ago
Family is a different story imo
[deleted] 9y ago
Neah i would sacrifice for the family and friends I care for, regardless of the gender.
But again some would not be of the same opinion so be it, everyone makes their choices as a consequence of own motives and live with the consequences.
So i am not judging.
[deleted] 9y ago
Had a wall of text prepped but realized its best to keep it short.
Women love being beat, don't get DV charges, don't get involved in fixing DV situations unless you are police since quite frankly the women WANT it that way.
[deleted] 9y ago
Reading that, if that Soldier got a real good lawyer, he would probably beat that murder charge.
The dead guy chased him down and pointed a gun at him, which the soldier had to knock away and shoot him.
slcjosh 9y ago
He literally did every thing wrong you can possibly do. A gun is only for your protection, not for chasing down armed bad guys who are fleeing a scene. Call the fucking cops. Now three kids grow up without a father due to his careless decision.
[deleted] 9y ago
Shooting a fleeing suspect is Murder in the first.
This guys is being paraded like a hero since he is dead however if he merely winged the attacker and was hurt himself and both lived we would be seeing double prison charges here.
This was vigilantism disguised as heroism by the media.
jasonmiles2014 9y ago
It's not murder. Didn't you ever see Die Hard??
the_number_2 9y ago
If the dead man was just any other guy, he's a reckless vigilante; this guy was ex-military, so he's a hero.
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VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
In most states, yes. But you're forgetting the "Yeah, but it's Texas" rule.
Joe Horn famously stopped two illegals from robbing his neighbor's house, because Shotgun > No Shotgun. You can listen to his 911 call here.
When the Harris County D.A. brought charges in front of a grand jury? The Grand Jury "no billed" him, which means "declined to indict". They then sang "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow!" and lined up to pin a medal on him. {Ok I made that last part up.}
The 911 guy did a heroic job of trying to keep Mr. Horn in his house and on the phone--giving some very sensible advice about not wanting to have a gun in his hands when the police arrived--but to no avail.
Mr. Horn's actions caused a great deal of consternation among the chattering classes in liberal pinko states, but those of us who grew up in the country think he'd be a great neighbor. Oh, and that the two dead guys shouldn't have been taking things that don't belong to them. If you're a burglar, getting ventilated is an occupational hazard.
S_Mc 9y ago
I take offense when people say things like this about Texas, I don't think you said it malevolently but other readers won't know the facts so I'll put in my knowledge of Texas law.
In Texas we have a "moral obligation" to retreat. For it to be considered self defense the "victim/self-defense shooter" has to try to peacefully escape, or feel like escape is not possible, or escape for everyone in the situation isn't possible so he's protecting other innocents. I am aware of the case that you referenced but he was outside of the law in that shooting he just got lucky (small town Texas jury so lucky might not be the right word for it.)
Texas isn't the Wild West that some people think (no constitutional carry, no stand your ground laws, open carry only legal as of Jan 1.) All of the guns that I own have never gone rogue and committed the mass murders that Trevor Noah keeps saying they will commit. Except my 870, it kills hundreds of birds each fall. Apparently inanimate pieces of metal will only do what people make them do so blaming the guns for murders is complete bullshit.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
You are correct, I did not say it malevolently. And sure, I think Joe Horn should have stayed inside his house. OTOH, I think he'd be a great neighbor.
Pasadena, TX is part of the Houston metroplex and has a population of ~150K. So not exactly a small town. And inside of Harris County, the grand jury that no-billed him would have been drawn from the greater Houston area (although grand jury verdicts are decided on a less-than-unanimous vote. Not sure about Harris County, but it's likely 2/3 or 3/4.)
Try being a gun owner in the Northeast.
My point was that a TX grand jury will, often enough, be perfectly happy to no-bill a guy if they thought he "had it right" regardless of what the law says. I would suggest that this is far more likely to happen in TX (or the South) than elsewhere. I can't say I have a problem with Joe Horn being no-billed. First, he is unlikely to pose a threat of violence to "normals" who are going about their business. Second, MFers had it coming.
getbackdownhere 9y ago
Uhhh, no. Maybe in the court of reddit. Maybe in the court of the media. Not in real life.
It would not be murder in the first, and may even be judged completely justified, based on the situation.
re_Pete 9y ago
I think you're being downvoted because you didn't explain why it's not first degree murder. 1st degree is premeditated, which means the killer would have had to plan the murder ahead of time.
I'm not a fancy pants lawyer, but I'm thinking some sort of manslaughter charge would be sought.
mugatucrazypills 9y ago
As a certified Message Board District Attorney and I can assure you that in this situation we'll lead file with Murder 1, but plead you down to Man 1 or Unlawful Touching if the case-load demands and you have a good lawyer.
Unless you're dead. Then you're a hero, I guess.
DisDumbNigga 9y ago
Fuck me. He was my Crossfit coach. I just moved out of the area a few months ago and this post is how I found out about this. I feel sick. I only knew him for two months but he was a stand up guy. Wow.
Edit: the lesson against white knighting is valid, but I must say this guy was everything BUT a white night.
From the looks of it, his military experience and sense of duty must have gotten him to act when the andrenaline of the moment kicked in (no one acts rationally when you witness someone shooting at someone else).
Damn, this really sucks.
Edit 2: All started because of a fucking selfie
tough-tornado-roger 9y ago
completely ridiculous statement.
DisDumbNigga 9y ago
Meaning, the amygdala takes over so your reactions are more on a primal level
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[deleted] 9y ago
Has nothing to do with luck. As you pointed out in the main post he's a complete tool for thinking that he'd be able to resolve an issue that wasn't his own
DRMMR76 9y ago
I knew this man personally and worked out in his gym a few times. He was not a White Knight by any means. He was a former Marine and was trained to do something other than run away when a bad guy starts shooting. I wasn't at that Walgreens, though it is only 10 minutes away from me, so I can't say what did or did not happen. But he was not some White Knight trying to protect a damsel in distress. He was a hard charging ripped as fuck fighter who saw someone doing something bad and decided to do something about it. He lost. Sometimes bad guys win. It happens. But I've never once gotten a Beta vibe from T.J. at the gym, or when I saw him around his wife. As a police officer, solider, and firearms instructor myself, I can't say he probably made all the right calls that night in regards to tactics. By the account of the shitbag knocking his weapon out of his hand, getting that close was a bad move. But everyone reacts differently to real life shooting. I know I did. The first time I had to shoot someone in Afghanistan was nothing like what I imagined. Sometimes experts make the wrong move. Sometimes they just didn't train enough. Sometimes the environment, situation, or circumstances fuck your plan up. The old saying goes, the enemy gets a vote.
Stop trying to see caricatures of TRP concepts in every single little aspect of life. The entire human race doesn't fall into three neat tidy little boxes: Strong confident selfish Machiavellian Alpha, timid weak supplicating Beta, and women. Those trends certainly do show their heads in most people in one way or another, but this isn't a video game or a fantasy novel. People are not caricatures. Doing something to try to save someone else's life does not instantly reduce one's entire life to "Beta White Knight". And there is not one single specific path that one must follow to be "Alpha". This whole Machiavellian out-for-number-one sociopath thing might be fine for some people, and not fine for others. Look at someone like Lt. Mike Murphy. Probably one of the most Alpha men who has lived in the past 50 years. Yet he was married. He gave his life to defend others. He didn't play the "fuck everyone else over to get ahead" game. But still one of the most masculine Men any of us could even hope to hear about.
So speak ill of the dead if you want. Use confirmation bias to only see one trait in someone and try to boil them down to a mockery and caricature of what you think is Alpha and Beta if you want. But you'd probably spend your time better working out and lifting heavy half as much as TJ did.
memphisjohn 9y ago
I saw a stat recently, (unverified) that About 925,000 Texans have concealed handgun licenses – that’s about 3 percent of the population.
No idea how many illegal / unlicensed there are.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Plenty of police officers are killed during domestic dispute calls. A white knight is probably even more at risk of injury or death. Here's an old submission on the same topic:
https://archive.is/I2PMm
A common outcome for white knights is that they get their ass beat by both the "bad guy" AND the woman they were just attacking. Even if you manage to get the upper hand against the guy, you might get glassed by the woman from behind.
The best possible outcome, which is very rare, is that you defeat the attacker and the woman thanks you profusely and you're a hero for 5 minutes. Maybe the woman goes home with you. The worst possible outcome is death as we've seen here. You can do a cost/benefit analysis from here.
night-addict 9y ago
The both of them turning on you thing is called a Group Monkey Dance, if I'm not mistaken. Dangerous situation.
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yup
mugatucrazypills 9y ago
I think some people are mis-reading my post as an objection to "guns" or "heroism" in general. Or even that i'm objecting to the idea of a "Carry permit" in general. I'm not.
People in domestic disputes are often in a cycle of co-dependent violence. They're kind of "violence unit". It's not surprising that a person getting in the middle is at risk from both parties. It's like breaking up two dogs that are fighting.
from cost/benefit game theory it makes even less sense as he has a wife/child/business already so unless he felt that the shooter had a "better" one ... well it doesn't make sense in either direction.
Invalidity 9y ago
The reason why there would be so many officers killed during a domestic dispute call is because many of them are white knights.
wiseprogressivethink 9y ago
Eh, it's more complicated than that. Police are required to make an arrest at a DV call if there is any indication that someone physically harmed someone else. So it's not so much that they are white knighting as that they are following their department's procedures. (And many individual police officers don't agree with these procedures, which were basically written by feminists, but their hands are tied.)
A common scenario: A guy just had a huge fight with his live-in girlfriend. They've both been drinking. She accused him of cheating (maybe correctly, maybe not), he denied it, she didn't believe him and then started throwing random insults at him to push his buttons (you have a small dick, I fake my orgasms, I'm gonna fuck your brother/cousin/friend/coworker, etc.), he lost his cool and slapped her or pushed her to the ground, and so she called the cops.
Now the police have showed up and by now the situation is calmer, but still not exactly calm. This guy is still drunk, doesn't want to go to jail, doesn't want to admit to a stranger (who is an authority figure) that he just assaulted a woman, etc. There's a lot of cross-talk and lying from both the man and the woman when the police arrive and ask their questions as they try to determine what actually happened.
At this point, the guy's spidey-sense warns him (probably accurately) that he's about to be arrested, his woman is going to leave him, he's going to be in tomorrow's papers as a wife-beating scumbag, he's going to lose his job, he's going to be spending some time in jail, and then doing community service, and then on probation, all while the woman he loves fucks other guys and tells everyone what an asshole he is. Despite his drunken state, his immediate future is revealed to him in a moment of clarity. He loses his shit again and tries to flee. The police chase/tackle him. Given the adrenaline dump he's experiencing, he's in pure fight/flight mode now, so he attacks the police hoping to escape. If there is a weapon handy, maybe he tries to use it. And then you have suicide-by-cop. (And obviously the officers could be hurt or killed in this scenario too.)
redpillbanana 9y ago
Arguably it is their job to defend the person being attacked although they do go overboard as white knights and almost always arrest the man.
It's definitely not your job.
2comment 9y ago
Right now, they don't need to.
I'm sure it's jurisdiction by jurisdiction, but the police in my area always go for overwhelming numbers/firepower in anticipated confrontations. And if they think they're overpowered, will back away for the moment until backup arrives. Very few chances taken.
the_number_2 9y ago
It's their job to defend the woman, whether or not she's the victim.
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[deleted] 9y ago
I bet the woman he was trying to save was a single mom.
Gawernator 9y ago
The antigun slant in this article is so blatant. They can't stop talking about how only the police should have guns or protect people blah blah blah.
The guy who was killed sadly was acting foolishly however. Your CCW is for your defense, not to be a hero.
mugatucrazypills 9y ago
WashingtonPost, nuff said LOL
Gawernator 9y ago
Yeah man. They've gone insane
wiseprogressivethink 9y ago
If you're white, and you see a black guy doing something wildly inappropriate with his woman (calling her names, hitting her, shooting at her feet, etc.), just walk away. Just fucking walk away. It's not worth the risk (of getting your ass kicked, or of being killed, or even just of being labeled a "racist" for intervening), and in all likelihood the woman will end up back with her abuser quite soon, so you're not really "saving" anyone.
Actually, even if you completely strip away the racial element of it, the rule remains exactly the same. But it's doubly-dumb to try to be the white White Knight against a black Black Knight. There's just no upside whatsoever.
[deleted] 9y ago
How about calling police and asking them to do their jobs for once?
[deleted] 9y ago
What an idiot.
This is what happens when people believe movies. Guy was ex-military too so should have known better.
Getting involved in a domestic dispute is losing no matter how you cut it. Cops can probably tell you this.
If you cold clock a man abusing his girlfriend, don't be surprised if she pulls a knife and stabs you in the kidneys for hitting her boyfriend.
[deleted] 9y ago
Some of the dumbest people I've ever had the displeasure of knowing were in the military. Not everyone who was in the military was some sort of high speed ranger or seal or paratrooper or something.
So being in the military does in no way preclude someone to have known better in this situation.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
It should be evidence enough that during the surge they recruited from halfway houses.
[deleted] 9y ago
Henry Kissinger said it best: "military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy."
slayerbizkit 9y ago
I remember from my 8-year stint in the military, they made us take "bystander intervention" training. It was almost always taught by a female and the message that was conveyed to us was that us "good" men are the first lines of defense in preventing perps from committing crimes against women. I gave me some good warm feels inside, and a false sense of security almost leading me to believe that society and the law were somehow on my side.
In group talks amongst ourselves, we had eerily similar stories of witnessing an intervention taking places, and 9/10 out of ten, everything goes horribly wrong for the white knight. With my own eyes, I've seen fights betw. couples outside of bars on an almost weekly basis, guy is screaming and strong-arming her, and the girl cursing the guy out up and down the sidewalk. White knight jumps in, a scuffle ensues, and 10 minutes later, everyone has cooled off. When the cops show up and ask who's did what, the couple ALWAYS cliqued up and pointed to the original white knight that diffused the situation, and said white knight gets put in cuffs.
There is no legal protection for white-knighting as far as I know. Put the cape away or risk going to jail.
lemurmort 9y ago
Now is as good a time as any.
Brothers if you can take the gender red pill, you can take the race red pill as well.
Blacks are far more dangerous than whites. Blacks males commit about 50% of the violent crime in this country while being about 7% of the population. Plan accordingly to protect yourself and loved ones.
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
break_main 9y ago
Yeah, real alphas run away. Sucks that he died, but the world would be a better place with more like him and fewer dicks with legs like you
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Yeah, funeral homes would be busy burying white knights.
break_main 9y ago
Cause everyone who tries to stop criminals dies?
I get the impression that you only condemn this guy cause the criminal shot at his girlfriend. If he was shooting up a school, and someone tried to stop him, would you still say "thats what you get" if he died?
[deleted] 9y ago
That's different. Remember, this woman chose him, and got herself into that situation. Even in your school shooting situation, rushing an active shooter is suicide. In that situation, take cover and do what you can with what you have. Police are (hopefully) trained for this they need to handle it. There's nothing you can do.
You're thinking with your balls - inconsistent to the teachings of TRP. Women make decisions based on emotion. Are you a woman?
Wanting to save lives is great - don't lose that. But don't make a situation worse by becoming another victim.
break_main 9y ago
It is absurd to say that the girl is not worth protecting because she dated the guy, as though she deserves whats coming.
At the very least, if all you care about is yourself and getting laid, consider that you will get laid a lot more if you seem strong and brave, while if you hide, your girl is gonna think youre a pussy and you wont get any ass.
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You can't get any ass if you're dead. Go ahead and charge the shooter. I'll do the "alpha" thing and pay for 15% of your funeral expenses.
break_main 9y ago
Youre still making the irrational mistake of assuming all brave people get shot. Are you a woman?
[deleted] 9y ago
Are you retarded? "Brave" people who bum-rush active shooters do. Quit while your behind and simply concede.
break_main 9y ago
u/DoofusCPA makes unsubstantiated claim that is easily refuted with a google search, and calls the other guy retarded.
The bum rush definitely has worked. Im sure you recall the 2 Americans that bum-rushed a would be terrorist kn a train in Belgium last year. Of course, these guys were military on leave, but they were also unarmed. Im not saying this is always the smart thing to do, but it would be...retarded...to claim ALL people who try to stop a shooter are killed. Here are some examples of you being wrong:
Passerby stops a shooting in Philadelphia barbershop in 2015
Students at Appalachian School of Law stop gunman attacking school in 2002
Bouncer stops a gunman who started killing people in an Oregon strip club in 2014
Uber driver stops gunman who opened fire on a crowd at Logan square in Chicago in 2015
Asst Principal takes down school shooter at Pearl HS in Mississippi in 1997
Customer stopped a gunman who opened fire in a bar in Plymouth, PA in 2012
Reno man stops gunman who opened fire on customers in Winnemucca, NV in 2008
Restaurant owner stops gunman attacking fellow students at middle school dance in Edinboro PA in 1998
Pastors son stops gunman threatening parishioners in South Carolina baptist church in 2012
Woman stops gunman who opened fire on a Colorado church in 2008
Disclaimer: probably dont do this
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Pointing out exceptions and thinking they're the norm. Where's the list of shooting where bum-rushing does NOT work? There's isn't one? I see - well then you must be correct. You are incapable of understanding. you're funeral, kiddo.
[deleted] 9y ago
Legally speaking , the Crossfit dude was the real thug here.
Put it like this- what if the woman tried to assault her husband (it happens,especially to Betabuxes) , he draws to defend himself,and mr White Knight only sees the second half?
Yeah the guy fucked up leaving the scene and all, but he was legally in the right. He'll have to answer for shooting his wife, but far as I can tell the second half was straight self defense. Dude walks up to you shouting threats with a pistol for no reason , that's a legal green light to drop him .
I can identify with the situation somewhat. I'm black -it matters for this field report's context- and was in the military. One day I went to a club and this chick wants to spar with me. I'm near a military base in the US Deep South, and a white girl at a bar (an admittedly fit one) was shit testing me via sparring.
I had to walk away. God it was tempting, and built in kino at that, but I knew what it would look like. A Black dude fighting a white girl in a bar filled with drunk southern "good old boys" was a great way to end up in jail less a carry gun and some very expensive hollow point ammo. Best case someone calls the cops, which is ugly enough with DV laws being what they were.
Worst case? What happened with the OP.
When it comes to weapons and especially firearms, be educated on the laws and be prepared to use them. Girls aren't spice and everything nice, and plenty of betas own weapons themselves. I won't say if you're banging girls to always carry.
I do, because 3AM isn't a good time to be unarmed when your plate gets caught cheating by a husband she never told you about.
Mihawk01 9y ago
Whenever I see some argument with a man in a women, I always assume "Bitches be crazy".
I remember having an argument with a girl in public once, everyone around was looking at me like I killed someone. Stupid idiots, putting pussy on a pedestal.
Obviously if someone gets shot call the police while getting the fuck away.
Cristoff13 9y ago
This guy was a soldier, he shouldn't need a gun to defend himself against his girlfriend.
By the look of things he got so mad he wanted to seriously hurt her, but stop short of killing her, so he shot her in the foot. What could she have said to make him so angry? Lets put the racial angle aside, young men of any race can be this stupid and let women wind them up like this. I don't get why, but it happens.
Of course CrossFit Vigilante guy got off far worse here, but what about the girl? It imagine its going to take a long time to recover from a bullet to the ankle, and you'd probably never have full mobility there again. At least he didn't shoot her in the knee.
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juliusstreicher 9y ago
You're full of shit. I read the original report, and I thought that the killer was white, and I thought "The cross-fit guy was a dumbass, and perhaps even broke the law."
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"Bradden was driving away from the scene when he called and confessed to several Army supervisors at Ford Hood that he had slapped the gun out of Antell’s hand and shot him, "
A few things here. I'm an NRA Certified Pistol Instructor. I do competitive shooting and have done competitive shooting in SASS, PPC, IPSA, 3 Gun and IDPA as well as other purely recreational Ad Hoc groups.
I have a concealed weapons permit and I've drawn my firearms to protect myself and others on several ocassions because I put myself in stupid situations. One was dancing with a woman out of my league by a far mile who tried to lure me into an ambush. Another was a time a cousin and me stopped a guy from kidnapping a woman at knife point.
You draw a gun, things get real dangerous real quick. And even if it's a clean shoot, the legal reprecussions can be immense. Also, how and when a citizen can effect an arrest of a dangerous party is totally up in the air in most states, and even when it's allowed, it's going to require an expensive attorney to make the defense work.
I'm not chasing bad guys, I'm not getting close to them, I draw a line mentally and if they cross it, I shoot till they drop or I run out of ammo. You play for others, you risk dying for others.
This guy pursued a dangerous shooter who was trying to flee. The event was over, he reinflamed it and got himself killed. Yeah the bad guy is a bad guy but the victim didn't need to engage the bad guy.
If the threat is over, let it go and let the police handle it. Your concealed weapon's permit is for your protection, not the public's. If I'm caught in the midst of a public shooter situation. I'm looking to get myself and mine the fuck out of dodge, not save lives. If I have to shoot my way to safety, then that is what I'm doing. If I don't have to shoot, then I'm not shooting. I'm not going to be buying anyone time to escape, my life is far too precious to me.
Take care of yourself and yours, let others take care of themselves.
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[deleted] 9y ago
In Florida, what you have said, is wrong on so many levels.
[deleted] 9y ago
I'd just like to point out that's not the narrative of the NRA. They claim if everybody had a gun, more people would self-vigilantize tense situations. "The way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun," and they infer that waiting for police takes too damn long.
In other words, the NRA clearly promotes gun-wielding white-knightery. After every major shooting, they pull out canned lines promoting it.
The gun owners I know say that if you ever shoot, always shoot to kill not to injure/handicap.
[deleted] 9y ago
I'm an NRA certified pistol instructor, I'm not an employee of the NRA. And on some things I think they are too polite and soft. There is a point to letting people protect themselves (at least have the option), then there is your reality of whether or not you risk your life for others.
If you have to shoot, shoot center mass. I don't refer to it as shoot to kill. Center mass is where all the vital organs are. Between the neck and belly button, and between the shirt pockets, as my grandpa used to say. If the bad guy expires on scene or thirty minutes later in an emergency room means nothing to me. I'm shooting to stop a threat and that means taking out the bad guy's spine or central nervous system, so I'm shooting for their spine first between the shirt pockets and belly button and neck. If I miss the spine and swiss cheese the heart, lungs, or liver. Well that might work as well.
[deleted] 9y ago
I have an MBA and I'm a CPA, but I let my MCSE expire.
Agreed. Let the police do their fucking jobs for once.
max_peenor 9y ago
This is what a lot of carriers don't really understand--a gun doesn't talk your target into behaving. If you draw, it is to get a surrender, make the threat flee or defend your a life by pulling the trigger. If you aren't willing to shoot the guy that is advancing on you, do us all a favor and don't even buy a gun. We don't want to clean up all your blood.
redpillnexus 9y ago
Can you maybe tell us more about the ambush? Sounds like an interesting story.
[deleted] 9y ago
this. when you get your CCW, even if you are some fatherless bastard child, one thing they reiterate over and over again is that you're only ever supposed to use it as a last resort in stopping violence that's happening or imminently about to happen. you don't use it to "bring someone to justice" once the violence stopped.
RunawayGrain 9y ago
The people mentioned in the article had an issue with actively seeking out a confrontation and creating one from a situation that was already diffused. I most of the cases mentioned, the suspect was fleeing. I think it's most likely a hero complex these people are indulging in.
From the sounds of it, this white knight thought he was Charles Bronson. The info in the article paints it like the murderer was fleeing, got out of the truck when white knight started waving the gun around, approached to within hand to hand distance, and then shot the white knight at close range.
Like my old man always said "Once you pull a gun, the negotiation is over and shoot to kill."
fuck_da_haes 9y ago
If I remember correctly about 80% of incidents involving firearms end up without a shot, just presenting the weapon is enough in most cases. Just be prepared to squeeze the trigger if situation gets even more fucked up ... also it helps a lot to train with actual professionals, I do.
EpicLevelCheater 9y ago
Logical, thorough, and actionable. I am awarding you with a point for this excellent advice.
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[deleted] 9y ago
this guy could have helped everyone much better by taking out his iPhone and taking a picture of the perp driving away and making sure to get the license plate.
But that doesn't make you feel like much of a hero.
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When I was quite young and learned for the first time my grandpa had fought in WWII and Korea, I asked my grandfather, the Nazi Hunter/Torturer/Murderer if he was a hero. He laughed his big smiling laugh, his eyes alight behind his glasses. "God no pilgrim, heroes are the guys you find in graves." Pilgrim was one of my nicknames, besides Voodoo (thank you Hendrix and my freaky Voodoo practicing grandma who had everyone convinced she was a clairvoyant).
Heroes die needlessly, that was his point. My grandfather was beloved in his community. A pillar, and most people didn't know him for real or what he had done. He was just another older guy with money and connections, who helped widows down on their luck, and got loans for hardworking people in need.
OneInAZillion 9y ago
He didn't even have to do any of that. His [the shooter's] girlfriend could have provided that information to him if he really wanted to do his part in the matter. I really don't understand what his objective was here.. the guy was fleeing and his identity was known to the girl he shot at.. this could easily have gotten solved.
He did something very unnecessary and it cost him his life. He confronted a someone who isn't afraid to spray bullets outside a walgreens. Now it's different if he's an active shooter on a killing spree, then fine - grab your piece and do what you have to do, but he put himself in a situation that he really didn't have to here..
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JJKaleM 9y ago
Gonna go with him not being fully aware of the situation. Doubt he knew that the shooter was shooting at his girlfriend
OneInAZillion 9y ago
I agree and from that POV I understand his actions, and I guess it comes down to how sure he was that the two of them knew eachother.
jasonmiles2014 9y ago
Or get you vast amounts of social media approval.
mugatucrazypills 9y ago
people are dying for social approval : from Napoleon handing out scraps of ribbon to get guys to charge into cannon fire, to the fatal "planking" photos/vids.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
I think he did it more for morale purposes. It keeps the soldiers happy to get a piece of ribbon. It makes them commit much more courageous action. I doubt he was doing it so they would approve of him, but even if he was. Thats how you stay in power. If you get a medal of honor your kid gets automatic admission to westpoint.
mugatucrazypills 9y ago
he did it because men are conditioned to seek status because status (even in the form of scraps of ribbons) means a mate
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We work all day for scraps of paper (money) what's the difference?
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
You don't know what you are dealing with in most cases.
The psychopath wins out over skill in most cases. They are able to maintain incredible frame and they do not hesitate. The doctor who studied psychopaths, even in prisons they are the most feared individuals and it isn't because of skills or size. I met a few guys I met who I suspected where psychopaths. On in the bar he would say I dont like the way that guy is looking at me. He would walk up to the guy, start an argument, then without any provocation or hesitation just cold cock the guy in the face. Afterwards he would create some story to make it appear the other guys fault.
Don't know what happened to the guy, either he is dead, prison or extremely rich.
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Yup. You can be the most skilled gunslinger there is but if you hesitate to pull the trigger, you end up the dead most skilled gunslinger there is. When I had my ambush situation, what I think saved me besides my crazy act was cocking back the trigger on the snub nose .357 I had in one hand while I had a Glock 27 in the other. The four guys kept saying I was too chicken to start shooting. I really did not want to explain why I shot four black guys and some white girl (live witnesses are always a bad idea).
In the kidnapping situation, when I cocked the hammer back on my revolver, the would-be kidnapper realized I was seconds from pulling the trigger and I was. Most criminals don't think that gun carriers keep their semis primed with a round in the chamber and will think they can charge you, at least that's what I've gathered based on my time working with criminals as a defense attorney. Criminals deem white people having guns and JHP ammo as crazy, insane, and best of all...racist. When one asked me if I kept a round in the chamber I replied "why wouldn't I." He gave me a bizarre surprised look and said "why you got to do that, you don't know what's about to happen, things don't have to get like that, you might just lose some money, no one's got to lose a life." I laughed in his face raucously, and told him that society is better off with more dead criminals than breathing ones. It's just a fact. Of course he requested a new attorney and I didn't argue it (I got my $700 for the referral).
If you draw, you draw and shoot. I've broken that rule and it might have saved me a lot of legal pain, but it also could have gotten me killed. It's why I always carry two guns. They might get their hands on one gun hand, they are not getting their hands on both.
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volunteervancouver 9y ago
Jimmy's story
Ymeynotu 9y ago
This seemed too real to me.
idgaf- 9y ago
I'm surprised you didn't and have broken this rule multiple times. Glad you're alive.
CaptCircleJerk 9y ago
Its because his internet stories are fake.
tough-tornado-roger 9y ago
did you see the part where he had two different guns, one in each hand? it is rumored that he also had a knife in his teeth. no way this weirdo's stories could possibly be fake!
Momo_dollar 9y ago
If a .375 is a revolver its possible but yeah straight from Hollywood
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get_real_quick 9y ago
Would also just add: from a legal perspective, you have much less of a defense if you're actually pursuing someone who was previously engaged in some type of altercation and trying to "reignite" the situation. Once you see a situation resolving or calming down, aggression is the LAST thing you want to adopt because it can constitute malice aforethought, even if only held for a split second that it takes you to reignite the situation.
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Absolutely true, I touched on it briefly with the whole citizen's arrest bit but you put it much more clearly.
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once the guy got out his own gun and started waving it around, and trying to stop this guy, possibly this is going to create a claim of self defense. The guy isn't a cop. You just shot someone. Now he's waving a gun around and acting like a maniac.
What do you do, put your gun down and say you're sorry and hope he doesn't shoot? If you're afraid for your life, well he is the one who chased you down.
Curious how that would play out. I know nothing on the topic.
get_real_quick 9y ago
Not sure I'm understanding your question here, but I'll give it a shot:
A shoots his girlfriend in the ankle. A attempts to flee the scene. B sees A shoot A's girlfriend and also attempt to flee the scene, and shoots at A in order to get him to stop.
My argument is that B shooting A is not self-defense or self-defense by proxy, because this is effectively a new altercation, after the situation has cooled. Most courts would agree.
What I think you're asking is: does A now have a valid claim of self-defense if he shoots and kills B, who he knows just shot at him. I'm a law student, and one thoroughly unenthused at the prospect of practicing law, so take this with a grain of salt, but my $0.02 is that in this situation, self-defense is exactly the argument I would advance on behalf of A. Also A was apparently military so there is an argument for PTSD that might be made here.
The problem the prosecution is going to have with getting murder 1 to stick is malice aforethought on the part of A. Not sure they can demonstrate that when he is being shot at. At best, he is recklessly endangering human life or otherwise has committed manslaughter, and at worst, he has a valid self-defense claim that defeats the indictment.
tulio2 9y ago
i liked this story because it was funny and it had a happy ending.
hereicum2trolltheday 9y ago
Murder 1 and 2 are pretty much out considering he didn't know the dude and he was fleeing the scene when it happened. The best the prosecution could hope to stick him with is manslaughter.
babybopp 9y ago
Yes and also attempted murder of his wife. The guy can actually claim self defense. White knight seemed to have pulled his gun and he could argue that he had reasonable belief that his life was in danger.
CaptCircleJerk 9y ago
He has no self defense claim. He cannot use self defense while in the commission of a crime. Him leaving the scene itself is a crime. The victim, while stupid for doing so was well within his rights to engage the shooter.
get_real_quick 9y ago
To my knowledge only a handful of statutes have statutory text that's tight enough to provide for this. Even there there's an argument that it's just bad policy and courts are likely to read beyond the text of the rule--for example, if I'm a fugitive, do I just never have a right to self-defense? That seems absurd.
If I'm remembering right from 1L Crim the commission of the crime also has to be ongoing during the use of force.
I guess there's an argument to be made that he could get felony murder through this conduit but call me a skeptic.
Finally, the rule you're proposing encourages vigilantism, or at least doesn't demonize it in a way that allows you to protect yourself against it.
CaptCircleJerk 9y ago
If you are a fugitive and someone is trying to attack you unrelated to your status i'm sure you would be able to defend yourself. Whether or not the court will care is another matter. If you are being attacked in order to detain you then no, you dont get to use self defense.
Vigilantism isn't really applicable. By definition its acting without legal authority. Apprehending a fugitive or stopping a crime is technically within anyones legal authority.
d4ng3rz0n3 9y ago
I dont think self defense is an affirmative defense while committing or fleeing from having just committed a felony. There is definitely a loss of certain rights when you commit a crime.
hereicum2trolltheday 9y ago
It depends on the situation. If I steal a candy bar from a store and the store owner attempts to murder me, I can still kill him first under the principle of self-defense.
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get_real_quick 9y ago
Yeah, this is correct. There are a whole bunch of considerations that go into play but for sure me shooting person X, does not waive my affirmative defense in response to an attack by person Y.
d4ng3rz0n3 9y ago
Depends on the state. In Texas, a store owner has the right to use deadly force to prevent theft.
hereicum2trolltheday 9y ago
Even after you leave the store and he's chasing you?
Man, Texas is just as fucked up as Florida.
d4ng3rz0n3 9y ago
No, you can not pursue someone who has left your property.
hereicum2trolltheday 9y ago
Grab the candy bar, run off the property and around the corner, then "Stand your ground" when he turns the corner to follow you.
Perfect.
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Rommel0502 9y ago
As another CCP holder, this is sage advice. When carrying, you need less bravado, not more. Calm is key.
One more thing, if you ever go near a single drop of alcohol, your gun comes off and gets put away. They simply do not mix.
CaptCircleJerk 9y ago
Can the drink and gun bullshit already. Its tired and baseless.
Rommel0502 9y ago
Please shut up fool. If you're too stupid to even realize this, stay the fuck away from guns completely. Its morons like you who give the politicians standing to take guns away completely.
CaptCircleJerk 9y ago
Wow well reasoned response, just as much BS as your original statement. Drunk does not equal drink, "not one drop" is moronic. You realize pro shooters do a shot or two before a match? It steadies your hands. Its vaginas like you that let gun rights get eroded to what they are today by allowing progressives to pass "sensible" legislation. How about you keep you're idiot opinions to yourself instead of spreading your PC bullshit.
Rommel0502 9y ago
Wrong. I have shot competitively for years. Never have seen a single person drink before a match, and have never heard a single person endorse it. You are the first and only idiot. Tell you what, call the NRA and get our position on this. Better yet - http://training.nra.org/nra-gun-safety-rules.aspx. See bullet #6. You know, just us NRA gun law progressives trying to get some sensible legislation passed and spreading our PC bullshit. (And BTW - if YOU'RE going to call someone an idiot, try next time not to make a 3rd grade grammatical error in the word immediately prior ...)
Just keep drinking and shooting until you kill someone, preferably yourself. Or perhaps try to defend yourself in court in a defensive shooting case when the prosecutor submits your BAC as evidence. Just because you can't control your substance intake doesn't mean the rest of us should have our rights taken away for it.
Honestly, I cannot believe someone is arguing with me that they should be able to drink and handle a gun. No wonder politicians are taking responsibility away. What a fucking idiot.
Please dont respond as I assure you I wont read it. Arguing with someone this stupid is just an exercise in futility.
CaptCircleJerk 9y ago
Fucking retard.
"Since alcohol is seen as a performance-enhancing drug in rifle, the National Collegiate Athletic Association and World Anti-Doping Agency have banned the drug specifically for the sport."
http://www.dailynebraskan.com/sports/alcohol-banned-from-rifle-competitions/article_208d46e3-8e6f-54b4-a2d5-98aef12ab40e.html
Rommel0502 9y ago
Didnt read your nonsense as promised, but for all of our sakes, please quit while you're behind.
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So it's good to be incredibly selfish and it's bad to save people's lives if it puts us in harms way?
This is not redpill mentality.
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Bullshit. It's about not dying by being a dumbass. You owe the world nothing. There is no unwritten/unspoken contract. If your job isn't to risk your life, then there is no reason to risk it unless you feel some moral compulsion to. Said moral compulsion can be borne out of BP tendencies and indoctrination.
Redpill is not about faux or artificial morality, it's about self-improvement and success. If you die of unnatural causes, you failed. Don't fail because you were an idiot, or you let others convince you their lives meant more than yours, when said others are not your children.
If Obama and I were in a plane going down and there was only one parachute. I'd happily grab the parachute and bail out of the plain leaving him to his demise. He's just a leader, he's replaceable, easily replaceable in fact. But my life, to me, is not replaceable.
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Can you please explain that to /u/break_main He's trying to show I'm a coward for not bum-rushing an active shooter. He even posted a list of shooting where people were saved by such an ingenious tactic. Apparently I'm "backpedaling" because I can't prove bum-rushes don't work. Its like having a conversation with a Creationist
break_main 9y ago
I am sorry I havent expressed myself well: I starting arguing with you because I thought it was shameful for you to talk about the guy in OPs article like he was an idiot for trying to protect others at his own expense. I agree with you that it would be reckless to do what he did if you had little chance of success, but if one does have the ability to stop a violent criminal, and tries to do so, then they should at least be treated with respect.
I think that what u/Davidkpa isnt taking into account when he tells everyone that he feels he owes them nothing, and that he will protect/serve only himself at the expense of others if necessary, is that if he says this to other people, then they will treat him accordingly. No one wants a selfish loner in their group. The reason people generally feel a natural compulsion to help others and behave honorably is because that instinct is selected for in the evolution of populations. Sure, for the individual it may be dangerous to leap to action to protect others, but for the group as a whole it is advantageous, and so the population carrying that trait, either genetically or socially, will succeed.
So to bring that back to OPs article, we as a society show respect for those that try to protect others because it is an instinct that is good for the group.
I guess the TRP angle on what i just claimed is that if you are in the real world whee your actions affect how others treat you, then you shouldnt do things like talk shit about people that try to do what society thinks is brave, because you will be separating yourself from the benefits of the society of others. In fact, society's alphas, the old rich men in positions of power, give long speeches about bravery and sacrifice, and "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," because it encourages patriotism and social service in ways that help the group, and make those dudes appear to be dedicated to the welfare of others. But in private, they keep their kids from going to war, and surround themselves with bodyguards, and use their power to make themselves rich, and bang all the interns. Just dont let other people find out.
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How often do people storm your house and shoot the place up? In that situation, sure fire away you have nothing to lose. But that's a far fetched situation. Are you contemplating what to do if there's an alien invasion too?
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That's pushing it. Like I said, rushing an active shooter is suicide. You're simply not that fast.
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My mom wouldn't want me dying for her, no parent should. Death before dishonor?
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There's no hero in this story, no happy ending. Everyone loses. Don't be a white knight; don't defend any other women aside from your own women (mother/grandmother/sister/daughter/aunt/niece/SO)
Sir_Distic 9y ago
What about your father, son, grandfather, brother and dog? Only girls get saved.. Right?
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Defending another guy isn't being a white knight. I meant don't defend any other women aside from mother/grandmother...etc
StoicCrane 9y ago
Yeah, father, son, granfather, and brother are unimportant compared to girls. Only the dog if it's a female if it's male tough luck. Don't be a white knight though.
max_peenor 9y ago
The woman disposed of an psycho husband for good. Assuming her ankle isn't totally destroyed, sounds like she is the winner here.
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juliusstreicher 9y ago
Something makes me think that she already has one.
raka_defocus 9y ago
Jumping in the middle of someone's domestic dispute usually doesn't end well
http://www.abcfoxmontana.com/story/29016400/shooting-victims-relationships-explained
[deleted] 9y ago
I remember that couple who shot up the mall. Some john mcclaine thought he was going to save the day. Too bad the shooters wife was right behind him to put him down before he could get a shot off.
sicknick 9y ago
That was in Vegas. It was a Walmart. They also shot 2 cops eating Pizza across the street. Nobody knew his bitch was with him when they rushed the Walmart. That dude was trying to save everybody in the store, not just some chick.
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Worked out well for John Wayne either way
sicknick 9y ago
True. Similar to Texas, Nevada is loaded with gun owners.
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Nra is right. Guns aren't the problem. White knights and crazies are.
Either way, once people start 3d printing firearms, they better have this figured out...
Or maybe Chris rock had a point. Bullet control lol
sicknick 9y ago
You're right! And say what you want, yes the guy is dead but he fucked up the crazies plan and probably saved a few lives.
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Nice to know my life is worth so little. A speed bump to a murderess plan
truthyego 9y ago
Sad story. But I'm not sure we know if he was white knighting, and i dont think he's a vigilante. He's an ordinary guy who thought he was doing the right thing in the moment. But he wasnt. He may have let adrenaline or emotion overcome his rationality.
It sounds like he didn't understand (or use) principles of descalation or use of force. It sounds like he made both tactical mistakes and unlawful strategic choices.
A lot of guys here own guns. This is a sobering anecdote to only use your weapon when in fear for your life, or the lives of those whom you love. It's poignant illustration that if you do own firearms, to get educated on when, how, and why to use them.
hereicum2trolltheday 9y ago
"Slapped the gun out of his hand"?
WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.
If you ever pull a gun on someone, you better be fucking ready to shoot them dead before they even get close enough to start thinking about slapping your gun.
This dude was a fucking try hard moron.
juliusstreicher 9y ago
That's what struck me; 'slapped the gun out of his hand?'
When I played with guns at the age of 5, I knew that you don't get close enough with a cap gun to get it taken away from you, but, a real gun? What kind of shit do the Marines and CCW instructors tell people?
legallegends 9y ago
This situation had nothing to do with the dude being a white knight.
I wish posts like this wouldn't get up voted ffs.
StoicCrane 9y ago
It's perceived as white knighting because the vigilante pursued the shooter in some sort of warped sense of justice to defend the shooter's SO. If gender roleswere reversed tthere's a good chance none of this would've happened and the vigilante in question would've turned a blind-eye.
Ishouldbedoingkegels 9y ago
It's good that there are posts like this, it gives you a clear example of what may happen when you stick your nose in other people's business.
And while nobody here knows exactly what when down, it's very clear that there was an altercation between a couple and then another man stepped in after shots were fired and tried to stop the other guy from fleeing.
It doesnt sound like a case of "white knighting", more like "vigilante meets his maker".
legallegends 9y ago
Fair point and I agree with you.
As you say it isn't "White Knighting" and shouldn't be labeled as such. I think the term is extremely overused and the way OP worded his post looks like something a 14 year old would type.
RedditAdminsSuck_88 9y ago
I knew this man personally, he was a good guy.
truthyego 9y ago
Even good guys make miatakes. Handling and diffusing violent situations is not easy. All it takes is one mistake.
Battle-Scars 9y ago
From what little information we have on your friend it does seem he was a good guy. The tragedy to me is that there are three fatherless children now, that could have been avoided by your friend prioritizing his family over his ego. We tend to make up our own narrative which includes some fantasy invincibility bullshit and that is not the case IRL. Your friend should have been the best witness possible instead of the alternative he chose.
I_miss_ 9y ago
Hit the nail on the head right here. This is exactly what he did. He wasn't defending anybody. Many gun owners out there can't wait for something exciting to happen so they can pull out their pistol and play hero like in the movies.
RedditAdminsSuck_88 9y ago
I agree with all of this. I am not defending what he did, but I think its a little low to smear him.
EpicLevelCheater 9y ago
What your friend did was foolish, and this sub is judging the content of his actions (and by extension, his character) based on the consequences. That is how all outcomes are judged.
Maybe you know things about him that we do not. But I will not allow you to influence the direction or tone of discussion here by attempting (either purposefully or reflexively) to appeal to emotion.
In other words - the loss of your friend is regrettable, but do not concern troll.
Battle-Scars 9y ago
No doubt, it is a hot button issue, especially on this sub and its easy to judge sitting in a folding chair in front of a computer. Your friend is not a person to people on this sub he's a representation.
I have a friend, very similar, who would make the same decision with the same result. I would classify him as a white knight who purposely puts himself in positions like these solely based on ego validation. The problem is he always escalates and makes the wrong decisions in disputes, oh, and he cant wait to get his CCW and his shiny badge. He will end up killing someone or being killed once that happens.
DoobieEx 9y ago
Sorry you have to read a bunch of fucking spergs second guess your friend's choices now that he's dead. I am sure he just wanted to do the right thing.
EDIT: Blow me, fucking titty babies. I got upvotes to burn.
RedditAdminsSuck_88 9y ago
I think White Knight is the wrong term to describe this. To me a white knight does what he does for selfish reasons, i.e. play Capn-Save-a-Ho to win over the girls affection so he can fuck her.
This man was married with kids and the woman he was "protecting" in this situation was a 22 year old black woman named Quinesha, so I don't think he was doing this to win the girl over or for selfish reasons.
Did he let his ego get in the way? Yes, but white knight isn't the right term here, I'd say more like a George Zimmerman style vigilante justice type.
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[deleted] 9y ago
Indeed, this guy just orphaned his child. That was completely selfish of him to throw on his cape and jump into something that didn't involve him.
Moral: Guns, money, or good looks can't compensate for common sense.
mugatucrazypills 9y ago
article calls him superman !
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max_peenor 9y ago
Sorry, I'm not going to hand away my ability to defend myself to the government or criminals. I'll manage my risks for me, thank you.
You might want to look a the actual statistics. I suggest you remove those that are already forbidden by law to own guns--certain convicted criminals and below certain ages.
OneRedYear 9y ago
ive only had to defend myself once. I am a non violent guy but these were home invaders and my daughter and her friend were inside. Fortunately they backed off and we all lived, but when it came down to it, it was me or them and it wasn't gonna be me.
DoobieEx 9y ago
The crux of your argument is that people who own firearms are more likely to suffer a GSW. Thanks for pointing that out, man. Next you're going to tell me people who live in homes with residential power service are more likely to be electrocuted. You're a goddamn genius.
Mihawk01 9y ago
If I want to defend myself against any potential idiot with a gun, I don't see how this story has any relation to it.
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Mihawk01 9y ago
Dude, if you will talk shit like this, go to some Hilary reddit or something, what the f&ck are you doing here?
I want to own a gun to defend myself from any crazy idiot that wants to kill me or rob me, I will not go around being a white knight. Your stupid gun controls against normal good people can go fuck themselves. Just as you can go f&^% yourself.
truthyego 9y ago
Fuck off beta fag. Your straw men are limp, your stats were pulled out ur puss.
Look at Chicago, the bastion of gun prohibition cucks. It's working out well for them eh?
People fuck up, aren't educated, have hero complex sure, no one is going to debate the obvious with u. But your conclusions are shit, your generalizations, forced.
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truthyego 9y ago
Don't paint 99% of gun owners as idiots with hero complex, and don't promote extreme (beta) leftist SJW hotbutton issues with asinine rhetoric, and your sexual orientation won't be in question.
The gronkyness of the invective "beta fag" is a reflection meant to illustrate the gronk of ur own post.
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truthyego 9y ago
Projecting, again. U feel like 99% of gun owners are idiots with hero complex. Any legit sounces to back your feels? U feel like banning guns. Do u feel like answering me about Chicago?
Did you know that riding in a car immediately puts u at higher risk of being in an accident? Or that merely owning a knife puts u at higher risk to get cut?
If it makes u feel better, I'm sure you're a reasonably assertive hetero male. There, now can u please address ur logical fallicies which i, and now others have pointed out?
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I'm not sure who is stupider in this situation, the monkey who fired at his wife's feet during an argument or the retard who tried to stop him from leaving afterwords.
ThisTension 9y ago
Classic example of "No good deed goes unpunished"
staggerman 9y ago
He got close enough to the perp that he was able to knock his gun out of his hand. Biggest mistake you can make and sadly it cost him his life.
StoicCrane 9y ago
Two things in particular from the article:
This is cringeworthy. His instincts triggered to "defend" a random woman who was rightfully none of his concern to his own family's detriment! Self-defense takes precedence in active conflict. He placed himself at a disadvantage by getting involved and wound up losing more than he ever could've gained.
Yeah, this is a clear case of attempted homicide and vigilantism on account of petty theft. 18 months probation for drawing arms against a petty criminal. Then she complains that she "will never help anyone again" after getting off the hook easy. if this isn't a clear pussy pass I don't know what is.
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
dead hipster is a win in any book
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Borsao66 9y ago
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Fair seas and following winds to the Marine, but just stay out of shit thats not immediately life threatening to you.
Il128 9y ago
The vast majority of women in abusive relationships love it that way. In fact they branch swing in to a new abusive relationship the moment their current one starts being "beta" about beating her.
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DoobieEx 9y ago
You're right. Never in the history of man has a well intentioned person with a weapon stopped or hindered an ill intentioned person weapon. I am glad you were here to put that idea to rest. /s
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
"Never get involved in someone else's civil war"
-From "The Sayings of Chairman Zaitzev"
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RPB1 9y ago
Simba, being brave doesn't mean you go looking for trouble.
ripross 9y ago
How was he looking? It happened right there in front of him, he wasn't out on patrol.
RPB1 9y ago
The fact that he was motivated enough to chase after the guy and escalate the situation shows a 'wish-a-nigga-would' mentality.
His ethics may have been sincere however he tried to play out a heroic fantasy and paid the price.
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Numero uno rule of the streets:
You don't pull a weapon out unless you're gonna use it right away.
mugatucrazypills 9y ago
or don't stand so close the guy can knock it out of your hand !
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mugatucrazypills 9y ago
he orphaned his kid and alpha-widowed the lady as part of a "be a hero" blue pill narrative that had nothing to do with him
suspect was leaving and and not threatening anyone imminently, instead of allowing the police to try to take him into custody he deputized himself as unpaid supercop. Result is the ruin of both their lives.
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mugatucrazypills 9y ago
he shot her in the ankle(ricochet ?) and was fleeing
re-read the side bar
neoj8888 9y ago
Originally, I read it on Yahoo. The story was a bit jumbled up and hard to follow for certain details--not written great. I figured I had that one down, though.