TLDR: Why wouldn't we opt out of the social contract?
I was watching this video and it got me thinking: why should we even help these Strong & Independent Western ladies when the shit hits the fan and Europe becomes Islamized? Why not completely opt out of the social contract and allow the Strong & Independent ladies to lie in the beds they made, at least for a few years?
After all, there's one thing Western women have on other women of the world: Western women are Strong & Independent. They're enlightened. A force to be reckoned with. So, obviously, if they wanted to fend off the #rapefugees, they could simply do it themselves. Because they're Strong. They don't need no man.
As far as I'm concerned, this is fine with me. You don't need no man? Perfect. Then there's no need to risk my life for these women by beating the newly-arrived goatfuckers with a bat. It would obviously be sexist for me to do so (and racist). Because how could one possibly think that women can't defend themselves during some sort of sexual assault? The only way you'd think that is if you believe women are inferior at something: physical prowess. And that would be sexist, wouldn't it? We're all the same, misogynists!!!
It's time to give these ladies what they want: a chance to truly be independent. A chance to prove themselves by defending their land from the Religion of Peace that spilled into it due to their own (obviously enlightened) voting habits.
Conclusion So, gentlemen, what do you say? Opt out of the social contract until it benefits us to re-enter? Or defend the women that have failed to defend men whatsoever when the leftist fatties with their brunette bangs, bright red lipstick, and thick glasses have trampled all over the very foundations of manhood we've been indoctrinated to escape from all our lives?
THEDICKDEALER 9y ago
I whole heartedly agree!! I wont even open a door for a bitch
cariboo_j 9y ago
True, I wouldn't fight the goat fuckers to defend European women.
But I don't want them in Europe anyway. If they get their way they'll be telling me what to think, how to dress, killing me for insulting their murderous pedophile religion.
Also look up dhimmi and jizya. You'll be paying extra taxes and losing a bunch of rights.
There are plenty of reasons to want the goatfuckers out of Europe besides how they treat women.
[deleted] 9y ago
As an ex-Muslim, I am truly disheartened by how Europeans are handling the Islamic problem in their own countries. You fought long and hard for civil society, democracy, enlightenment, and now you are just going to let a bunch of barbarians run amok like this?
Muslims are only a threat because we allow them to be, and we only allow them to be because the Left has poisoned society and torn up its very foundations.
If it came down to it, I would fight, but not for the majority of people, who are Left-leaning or women, but for the minority of honourable men out there who need someone to fight with them.
daddymonsterpoodle 9y ago
Ok...if you want a reaction, suggest drafting ONLY women. After all the femnazi's are saying that women are the real victims of war, let them get justice for themselves. Men are obviously needed to maintain the primary industries. Men can also take over more parenting duties. After all it would be sexist and misogynistic to think that women can't do a job that a man can. Of course they will have to use weapons and vehicles made by men. If women actually want equality that is. After all men have been the draftees before let women have a turn. If we are going for equality then how about women pay their share of taxes. If women are biggest users of medicine, let's charge women a medicine tax. Women live longer so let's raise women's retirement age. Let's charge women higher credit card fees as well.
MGHOW_ATL 9y ago
Draft should be focused initially on the states and congressional districts of the Senators and Reps that vote for war.
Male/Female is irrelevant; all able-bodied adults in those areas report for duty. Their children will report to state-run Care Facilities pending resolution of conflict. Not sure how to guard property etc, but this gives everyone skin in the game and motivation to get it over with ASAP.
Before you blast me, I am a true libertarian, however, since we are living in authoritarian times, authoritarian answers are required.
You want war, then you and your constituents fight it. If it truly is a national concern, we will all be involved anyway.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
You can't opt out of the social contract as long as you live in a certain arbitrarily defined geographic area. It's illegal because the state does not respect the sovereign individual as an entity.
knokl 9y ago
Defend the women that are worth defending, and let the useless / low quality rest fend for themselves. i will defend my grandmother, mother and current LTR. Because they earned it. If you cant see the value in standing up for YOUR women, then you failed somewhere along the way in the sort of women you let into your life.
yomo86 9y ago
You defend someone who you deem worthy defending. Period.
[deleted]
[deleted] 9y ago
Thanks for this. Despite what those in the anger phase want to think, there are some women out there who are more than just cum dumpsters. You always have to be conscious of AWALT and branch swinging of course, but there are some out there aware that they can't always let the tingles think for them.
Sometimes I really wonder how much of the anger here is due to the women with whom you associate. Random girl who fucked you within two hours of meeting dropped you for Chad? No shit, Sherlock.
Golden_Dawn 9y ago
Reddit is generally not a place where the elite meet.
DaphneDK 9y ago
Women isn't some uniform blob of people walking in lock step, and most of us actually have sisters, daughters, etc. and even friends that are girls. Alos the speaker in the video was absurdly deluded, and had a really obnoxious habit of pausing on or repeating nonsensical words which he thought were really deep.
RedMoonAscendant 9y ago
Cool.
So what are you going to do about it?
DaphneDK 9y ago
Do about what? I have in fact opted out more than probably anybody in here. I just don't blame The Woman for all of the world's problems. There are good and there are bad girls, just as there are good and bad men.
Origami84 9y ago
A stable society IS worth fighting for. Nihilism is not the way to go, ever - if you want to be happy, and have some self respect, abandoning all your values just to get a petty revenge is unacceptable. I am not saying to be a chump and help some harpies that croned for years on how men are patriarcal rapists, but also staying completely on the sideline is wrong, imho. What it should be done, i think, is to live the life you wish it was the norm. Dont accept shit from women, but dont threat them like shit either. Support gender, cultural, ethnic distinctions. Accept the duties that comes with being born male, and expect the women around you to be feminine - and if they arent, act with the polite, semi hidden despise you would give an effeminate man (as a male feminist). And so on.
[deleted]
[deleted] 9y ago
We should go live in the countries where the migrants are from, and become rich on their resources. A Financial attack.
Origami84 9y ago
Don't lose hope - the cultural background can change quite fast. Extreme liberalism can seem omnipotent right now, but it has the slight defect that people are unhappy under it. No sense of family, no sense of comunity, life is simply worse and is not exactly improving. True that things will got worse, before they will improve.... but there is only so much single families and interethnic tensions that people can swallow before saying "fuck it" to social justice warriors and their endless war against what was working mostly well in our comunities.
[deleted] 9y ago
Thing is we men need to be smart about doing that. You don't blindly rush into scraps that are no concern of yours. Most women live in girl world, in girl world they expect protection without coming to your aide when you need it. I'm not willing to to rick my life, family and assets some spoiled girl-woman "princesses" still living in a junior high fantasy of a world.
Some women do live in man world where you choose alliances carefully, back them to the hilt and they back you to the hilt.
[deleted] 9y ago
I've had female friends help me in a fight that I started (nothing to do with them at all either and about something else entirely). Like actually punch and kick to help (and yes they are educated professionals from good homes). I believe some females are so bluepilled too that they feel helpless to act and were taught to stand back and cower.
There's only two solutions to any fight. Fight back harder or run away to fight another day.
[deleted] 9y ago
Smarter to run away, Less jail time ;o).
Those must have been some very close female friends. I expect no such help from women. Many in my hood expect such protection without considering the consequences.
If I'm putting my self at risk (physical, freedom, financial) the reward had better be worth it. Sex is no reward.
[deleted] 9y ago
I agree, no point in getting a record for something stupid, but when someone steals your property and there's no way of finding those people responsible again if you depend solely on the authorities, and don't act yourself, then I'm going to make sure I get it back if I think there's a chance.
rockumsockumrobots 9y ago
I've thought about this a little bit and have decided that worthwhile western women are worth protecting, but only on the terms that I give them. The feminine will perish (including feminine men) and the brutal violent clash of "cultures" will leave groups of strong men bound by loyalty to a common virtue (nation, culture, language, blood).
Women will be won as spoils of war (for Europeans, merely re-claiming what is rightfully theirs) and the gene pool and society in general will be better for it.
However, one caveat is that I live in America, so this will most likely not happen in my lifetime. I can see this happening in Europe though. Who knows, for American men with agency, this could be viewed by some as an opportunity to test their mettle and secure a warbride away from these American feminist landwhales. That is purely hypothetical though.
Either way, I see the European cultural and genetic hegemony as something worth preserving. It just wouldn't be the same visiting Paris without any french, or served at a beerhall in Munich by a woman in a burka. However, that's my preference. In the end, the strong will decide.
[deleted] 9y ago
[deleted]
satanicpriest13 9y ago
Prepare for a fuck ton of shaming articles about how men are pussies and there are no real men left anymore. You're right of course. But it will be hilarious to see how women and weak males try to cope without us while at the same time emphasising their capability.
[deleted] 9y ago
The best way to deal with crybullying is let it run its course. For the same reasons societies cyclically approach militarism and traditional roles: right after being ass raped in war or financially.
Look at Germany, suddenly those far right thugs aren't so scary are they now that rapes and assault are becoming more prevalent.
satanicpriest13 9y ago
Exactly. The women of Germany may not deserve to get raped, but Germany as a country deserves it. Let it happen some time before the betas and bitches come crying for our help. Then of course, it's the individuals choice if they want to help.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
What social contract??
Women have done nothing for me except use me and indoctrinate me for their own purposes. If there is any contract, any justice, any fairness then they owe me big. But there isn't - and I certainly don't owe any of them a god damned thing.
Women abuse their power and try to get as much for themselves as they can.
When they have the upper hand (eg DV charges, child support, marriage, alimony, sexual SMV status, relationships, marriage, social skills, emotional manipulation, white knight exploitation, the usual endless list of female privilege) ... when they have the upper hand they exploit that advantage for every cent they can get.
When I have the upper hand (physical strength), it's expected that they can also exploit that for their own protection at my expense? I don't fucking think so. You want my help, you gotta pay. And I ain't cheap.
User-31f64a4e 9y ago
One of the principles of contract law is consideration. Basically, each party has to get something. The term for what you get is consideration. It could be money, or real property, or a widget, whatever.
The current 'social contract' is such that many men receive no consideration whatsoever.
Real contracts where a party is found not to receive consideration are considered invalid and not enforceable. Perhaps the feminist social contract is also invalid.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Yes... the feminist "social contract" has no consideration for men.
They pretend it does - but there's nothing in it for us. And even if there was, there is no way a contract that I never agreed to imposes any responsibility on me.
Refigerator1043 9y ago
SJWs would argue that you agree to the social contract by remaining in the jurisdiction. So my response to them is that women agree to rape culture by remaining in countries that impose it.
Then sit back and watch their heads explode.
[deleted] 9y ago
I've always wondered if you saw a women being beaten/sexually assaulted and you are physically bigger than the guy. And do nothing but call the cops could any charges be brought against you?
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
No.
But if you join in, and you fend off her attacker, and your elbow accidentally brushes against her during the attack, you can be sued for sexual harassment.
The police here (UK) tell people not to be vigilantes.
You have no responsibility for other people's actions, mercifully.
[deleted] 9y ago
You are not required to intervene, only to call the police if there was reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed.
In either case, plenty of people say it is a bad idea to intervene since you can easily get targeted or even blamed by the woman, so fuck them both.
Refigerator1043 9y ago
I wouldn't call the police. Because I didn't see anything. They would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that isn't true. Which is practically impossible.
[deleted] 9y ago
[deleted]
Swoledinger 9y ago
I dont think you are using 'protection' correctly. Unless you're the mafia then you nailed it.
"You've got all this nice stuff. Shame should something bad happen to it. If ya catch my drift"
He was saying why use his physical strength to stop bad things from happening.
You're saying if he doesn't go out of his way to protect you, you will go out of your way to harm him. (False accusation and social shunning)
He has a live and let live mindset.
You have a "serve or die" type mindset.
[deleted] 9y ago
Human sociability doesn't centre on the female in western society. Reproduction has stopped being our primary concern for a while now. Human sociability now centers on wealth.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Agreed in general, but when you say "falsely or not", it's hardly for the protection of men.
When women can define who to socially ostracise and imprison, we have the matriarchy. The more of that power they have, the more feminist the world will become. We're currently 75% of the way there.
[deleted] 9y ago
Until men form gangs of their own and go head bashing. Those that abuse their power get curb stomped eventually.
Remember protector = trained killer => evolved into the warrior elite nobility, that's not someone that you can abuse easily, even in the modern age. The women can shun all they want until enough of the spear-chuckers call them out on their bull shit.
[deleted] 9y ago
[deleted]
redwithahintofred 9y ago
You have a black suited card and I have a black suited card. They must both be Aces AND Spades? Get real.
catacamas 9y ago
No, we take society back. We are the rightful masters.
Would you let your toddler take over the driving seat while you're driving on the freeway?
'Opting out of the social contract' sounds like 'hand more power to them'.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
Who raped who first?
The globalists desire to erase all cultures and identities so the Western forces encouraged chaos (Al Qaeda and ISIS) so that the middle east would be turned into rubble. These angry refugees are facing bullets in their homeland so they have few options but to leave the war zone.
The root cause is the Blue Pill emotional indoctrination system which is used by the globalists to disrupt the world and bring about "The Great Erasure".
So the Feminists are just pawns in the big picture.
Ultimately every history, every unique trait that has developed over time that defines a culture is under stress.
The Red Pill is about waking up not just to the trivial facts related to sex interactions (though this is central to breaking the mythology of the Blue Pill) but to beginning to grasp the overall scheme playing out and more significantly why Game is central to all of it.
The Blue Pill is Game played upon the masses to their disadvantage.
So really there are no "enemies" out there except the globalist elites who are the puppet masters over us.
Feminists are complete fools to the globalists... lacking even the slightest hint that they are being played by it.
Mgtowredpillonroids 9y ago
You do make a sensible point and when one questions qui bono globalist elites indeed make the most sense as the instigators. But how can one profit from this knowledge seeing as how our personal reality is much more affected by the influx of foreigners rather than the globalist's agenda? After all there's little we can do to stop the elites.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
I think of it this way...
The global elites are 0.01% of the actual world population.
If we could wake up just 5% of the worlds population to Game and get people to realize what is occurring (while not being benefactors of the corrupt state) then it should be possible to turn it around.
The Founding Fathers essentially did this.
In essence the Founding Fathers were extremely Game aware of the British colonialism and they were smart enough to defeat the equivalent of the global elites of their day.
Obviously that ability to defy the elites didn't last long.
The War of 1812 was actually intitiated by the Rothschilds because the new American system was trying to exclude the global banking system. Through war you create debt out of nothing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bank_of_the_United_States
...so in a sense the battle against the global elites has been constant since the beginning.
All that is different now is that "The People" have completely crumbled due to Blue Pill emotional indoctrination so our overloards have refined their effectiveness through brainwashing.
We are getting "dumb and dumber".
So Red Pill attempts to reverse this dumbing down process.
[deleted] 9y ago
You almost have two questions.
Defend these lefties from the Islamic extremists? No
Europe needs to kick those fuckers out.. It's not just the women that will suffer in the long run..
Mgtowredpillonroids 9y ago
Europeans need to arm themselves even if it's illegal. This is the new reality awaiting you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKAQX74yRyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPDtJ_ejAkg
adulttalkaccount 9y ago
That first one is extremely difficult to watch.
I thank God I was born in the USA and in a free state, at that. Here I have the legal right to defend myself with lethal force if attacked. I have the legal right to own and carry arms and no obligation to give quarter to assailants, thieves, or any other violent criminal type.
RedMoonAscendant 9y ago
HOLY FUCK. France is totally fucked.
How are they going to get weapons? The war has begun, and the government seems to have zero interest in taking the side of their own citizens.
Refigerator1043 9y ago
I always laugh when people pontificate about the "social contract". Social contracts are for people who live in stable, homogeneous societies where people actually look out for each other. Not the dystopian nightmare we have now where no one trusts each other and unless you're Chad you're viewed as nothing more than a worker drone. This is just another way to shame men into giving up their resources.
No one in society ever lifted a finger to help me when I needed it. Women have treated me like shit. The government has treated me like shit. Now I'm returning the favor. Some woman is getting raped? Not my problem. A cop is getting his ass beat by a criminal? Not my problem. I didn't even witness anything, I was looking the other way. Sorry.
I am actively withdrawing my support, financial and otherwise from society as much as possible, and won't help anyone I don't already know and care about, which is about 10 people. To anyone else, my response is: fuck you, pay me.
[deleted] 9y ago
And statements like these are labeled as selfish, from a man who refuses to "man up".
Well, for any of the blue pill drive bys here at the moment: we'll man up to your satisfaction when you woman up to ours.
[deleted] 9y ago
[deleted]
Refigerator1043 9y ago
My strategy: minimalism, do business in cash/barter as much as possible, use grey/black markets as much as possible. Basically shrinking my "on the books" economic activity to lower taxes as much as possible. Also, I'm not creating any new taxpayers (childfree).
I know I can't completely eliminate the parasite, but I can do as much as I can to starve it as much as possible. Hopefully more men unplug and start doing the same.
max_peenor 9y ago
One option is to just stop chasing money. Work enough to feed yourself and maintain a modest lifestyle. They can't tax what you don't have. Women are the materialistic of the species; don't be a woman.
Kathulos 9y ago
Reduce your income. Contented poverty is an honorable estate.
yomo86 9y ago
Tax deduction. Evasion. Straight up saving cash. Creating a shelf company that pays you small amounts of money as a salary while mainting sole ownership Invest cash money in real gold instead of gold bonds when the price is low. There are legal ways.
The more the goverment wants your money the more they have to shoot holes in their racket otherwise the rich folks will leave which means less investments. Use these holes.
When daddy gov comes to you, you say what every pimp is saying. You lost the money by betting on legitimate horse racings and alcohol. If you suddenly have money, you won it by betting on legitimate horse racings.
satanicpriest13 9y ago
Any ideas how to not pay tax when working for a corporate? I plan to start a company in my 30s but now I'm gaining experience by working. How would one avoid getting taxed?
yomo86 9y ago
Without giving you special information because of the doxing risk. Allmost all European countries have legal means of increasing the threshold (mostly just the filing a motion away) which determines what the amount of money is that serves as a basis for your tax calculation.
The best way in a legal sense is to calculate yourself 'poor'. I will deduct my past college fees over the next years due to a hole in the legal framework which gives me 0 taxes for the next 4 years. After that I will deduct my professional degree. Afterwards I will have 0 income due to self employment which reinvests all its financial gains into the business itself. Hell Im gonna milk those commie state by applying for subsedies for job opportunities which will never go to a person without a degree.
Speak with a tax attorney im your country. Keep in mind: even CEOs work in a legal sense "for" the company and are no different than the average joe. But they never pay taxes.
Golden_Dawn 9y ago
How do you win any game with established rules? You study them, and learn exactly how to use them to your advantage. Read, go to seminars, watch videos, take courses, and stuff like that. There's a sweet spot in between total noobdom and tax scammer that will meet your needs and comfort level. But you have to know the territory to know when you've found it.
[deleted]
drallcom3 9y ago
That only works for rich people, not for average peasants.
Btw, Sweden has removed cash and Germany is in the process of doing so too. Then they will go after your savings, like Sweden is doing right with the negative interest(?) rate.
SophisticatedIce 9y ago
Move to a country with a lower tax rate.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Removing cash is one of the first steps to slavery. Within the goal of globalism, there's nowhere to hide (ie FATCA). If you step out of line of the status quo, they can freeze or steal your assets in a blink of an eye and you can't recover it outside the mercy of Big Daddy. They can trace and monitor every purchase you make with the help of mass surveillance. If they tie it in with biotagging, a goal of the NWO in 2020, it's all over.
Globalism (one nation), a Central Bank (Federal Reserve), Mass Surveillance, No encryption, police state, beta indoctrination, divide and conquer of race and gender ==> fucked.
[deleted]
drallcom3 9y ago
I wonder how it will play out with the Muslims in Europe. They will create their own currency, laws and police, since their religion dictates them so.
Whatever happens, white men will suffer the most and I don't see any way out of it. Being rich can help you now, but I was thinking more about the future. There's no place you can go. Maybe being rich is the only way.
[deleted]
satanicpriest13 9y ago
Leave these countries. Go to a slightly less fucked up place and be successful there. Try making that place better. Germany and Sweden do not deserve the efforts of their native men anymore. these men are better off improving another country both for themselves and others.
[deleted]
genghiscoyne 9y ago
I really thought this was going to be about taxation and democracy being inherently oppressive.
DforDeadpool 9y ago
I'd protect the ones who deserve it. Rest can get fucked.
[deleted] 9y ago
Why fight for people who hate us? You want Atlas Shrugged, here it is. I'm a smart guy with a great wealth of talent and it will all be used to profit from. I could be an astronaut or a scientist, but why take a paycut to be put behind a female astronaut in a photo or to research new ways to make cosmetics?
Fuck bitches; get money.
NotUpToAnythingGood 9y ago
Having signed on the dotted line many years ago because I believe in the dream of this country, I cannot stand by and let it burn. I would sign that line again if asked.
Am I okay with stupid being painful and idiocy being just rewarded? Absolutely, some people simply cannot be saved. But at the same time, I cannot just let the house burn. It's not who I am.
RedMoonAscendant 9y ago
Cool.
So what are we going to do?
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
The social contract generally refers to the contract between you and government where you give up some freedom for security in theory. It doesn't really have anything to do with marriage which is what you're talking about. Your title should be more along opting out of marriage/the traditional dating game that leads to it. I do like the MGTOW path though.
[deleted] 9y ago
Try to kick them out,but only make sure that you do stuff=FOR YOUR BENEFIT.
Remember,if things get worse,you can easily GTF out of the country to other places.No woman is worth dying for,especially cause of hypergamy. Do what you can to help yourself,but if shit gets worse? Bug out and run like hell.
As for letting them rot.Well,duh. They've got the WK Betabucks to fight on their behalf.If even they fall(and these are the ones who would easily give their lives+more to the CC-riding alpha widowed whores),then why should you bother?
[deleted] 9y ago
You don't do it for them. You do it to further your own interests. Its high risk, high reward. If the reward doesn't cover the risk then fuck it.
rocketace8 9y ago
I think you should do what is truly in your heart - not based on gain or loss - if someone is in need, I think for the sake of humanity it make sense to help that person regardless of past recriminations or lack of future gain. I think a man (or woman frankly) should definitely take a cold hard eye at reality and see it for what it is, but be it negative or positive (including the truth or lies of any social contract, the existence or non-existence of god, and his or her own personal and objective place in the scheme), that person should seek within themselves a moral compass that he or she can live by. I think what I'm saying is TRP right? There is alot of loose talk on this thread, but the heart of TRP is for a man to not be fooled one way or the other by what society says, and to instead derive his power, intelligence, and morality from an inner more immutable framework.
For example. If all of society tells someone that they are mega alpha, but that person is unhappy, there is a problem. Only by asking himself those questions can he find happiness (I'm assuming here that happiness is a higher purpose...but I guess their are exceptions).
[deleted] 9y ago
[deleted]
rocketace8 9y ago
I think you are referring to the fact that currently the laws are not well written/implemented where in some cases a woman could impugn the dignity/character/legal status of a man without cause (or perhaps with criminal intent). I agree with that. But rape laws are there to protect any person being raped...and I think it is mostly men who rape (and let us not full ourselves that there are a lot of miscreant men out there who will rape a woman if they can).