TL;DR- Don't hate women for what they are, for what they've done against you nor over what they have the propensity to do to you. Blame the society that allow them to behave in such a way both freely and without consequence.
"Don't Hate Women For Being Women"
To those of you still suffering through the anger phase and to those who still elicit some hostility or resentment towards women in your lives, I implore you, hear me out.
Don't hate women for what they are, for what they've done against you nor over what they have the propensity to do to you.
Women are women; all women are like that, they've have always been like that and they'll always be like that. Such Is Their Nature.
Your angry not because of what women are or have done or can do or could do but because you've only just found out.
You may feel cheated, feel lied to, feel scorned by every women you've ever come in contact with and feel distrust towards any woman you may encounter.
But they haven't lied. You just didn't know the truth until now.
And how could you have learned? There is no purely objective discussion on the Nature of Women beyond here. You're standing in the last bastion of man enlightenment.
But now you know. The Nature of women is spelled out for you across a few webpages and computer pixels. It's like reading the definition of a word you'd never known. Once you have it, that's it.
Same goes for the Nature of women. There's only the one definition, once you've got it you're set and, should you forget, the dictionary's always here.
You may believe they've kept the truth from you in spite of you.
While they may have kept the truth, they've done so in some frame or fashion because they acting within what they thought was mutual benefit, you as a loyal beta and her as your item of worship.
In short, a beta makes a better beta when they are ignorant or in opposition to Alphas. To her, you made a good beta, so the truth stayed hidden. "For your own good", she might say.
Like how a leader might hide the truth from his followers to avoid mass panic. An ignorant follower is easier to lead.
What's more, most of these tactics are operand subconscious, drilled into their very biological make-up.
They act upon their self-perservatory instincts. They manipulate through emotion and sexuality to get what they want. Due to the lack of the male's physicality to reach their own ends, it's in their nature to do so covertly.
So then tell me: If you found out today that mosquitoes were the cause of those itchy red bumps you'd sometimes get, do you get angry at every mosquito you've ever encountered or everyone you will from then on?
Of course not.
Mosquitoes have been biting long before you and will continue long after. You can't hate a mosquito for doing what mosquitoes do.
So, with all of that being said, consider a Wolf hunting a Rabbit.
Say the Wolf hunts, chases, outruns and bites the Rabbit.
It would be foolhardy for the rabbit to hold grudge against the Wolf.
A wolf is a wolf. Wolves hunt. Wolves eat rabbits. Such is Their Nature.
Truth is, the Rabbit was slow or didn't comprehend the Nature of the Wolf.
It would also be foolhardy of the Rabbit to hold grudge once he learned of the Wolf or feel resentment over how much time he'd wasted not preparing for the inevitable chase.
The Wolf has always been there, whether the rabbit had realized it or not. An angry Rabbit is still a slow Rabbit.
Anger does not make him faster nor does it change the Nature of the Wolf.
The epiphany of the Wolf should bring relief to the rabbit, not anger. Should he gone without knowing, he'd surely have been eaten eventually.
And the Wolf will not wait for the rabbit to get faster. "Fair" is not a factor in Nature. A faster rabbit makes for a harder meal. The Wolf enjoys hunting slower rabbits. It makes for an abundant supply of food.
But, should the Wolf come upon the Rabbit again, whose now knows of the Wolf and trained for the chase, even though the wolf may struggle and eventually lose the rabbit, both will benefit from the chase itself.
Both have become faster, the Rabbit for escaping even faster wolves and the Wolf for catching faster rabbits. A benefit of oppositions.
The Wolf learns and adapts, chasing fast rabbits for exercise and eating slow rabbits for nourishment.
[Or, outside the analogy, betas -the slower- for validation and Alphas -the faster- for sex, respectively]
And the Rabbit learns, adapts and becomes so fast that the Wolf and all other wolves become an afterthought. He lives a long, happy life with no fears or restraints.
So don't hate women for being women.
They've always been that way. Such Is Their Nature. So with that said, learn their Nature, adapt to it and women will become but an afterthought.
Only then can you live a happy, fulfilling life.
Until next time.

cashmoney_x 10y ago
Or, in three words, stop moralizing nature.
PantsonFire1234 10y ago
I'm not necessarily angry at woman, rather at the fact that our society decided it was a good idea to follow the lead of these crazy and childish teenagers. They do lie about themselves and live extremely favorable lives thanks to the freedoms granted by empowered feminists. I'm angry at society at large for letting it come this far.
Now that we know about the lies we can act accordingly. How us enlightened men choose to react will decide the future for us and many others around us. You can't beat a woman nor can you change her. But you can stop playing their game and make your own choices.
Women are acting accordingly to their nature, that's fine cant stop them. But men are being manipulated into acting against our true nature (marriage, cuckolding, power transfers etc). This has to stop. Men have always been the pursuers of sex, power and dominance and so it should be once more.
To quote a great man - "Now somebody’s got to step up, all right. I am not even blaming whores really, it’s just guys were fucking idiots, what we are doing, why we are working so hard and giving it all away to some chick who did three shifts at a fucking Hooters"
NaughtyFred 10y ago
I think I'm almost over the anger phase, one thought that helps is:
Reality (as represented by Red Pill truth) introduced to Blue Pill guy: "Hey dude, know that soft cosy world you think exists, it's doesn't, here's the real world"
Reality (as represented by The Wall) introduced to woman: "Hey babe, know that soft cosy world you actually lived in for the last amount of years? It's gone forever"
I lost something imaginary while they will lose something real, I got the easy end of that deal.
Occasionally a field report will fire up the anger engine, but it's 80% "I wish I was but I'm not the guy in this report yet" and 20% "What a skank".
Those percentages used to be reversed, I call that progress.
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wattwatty 10y ago
Agreed. Bunch of fucking bitches...
[deleted] 10y ago
So why aren't we focusing on the problem of Gov catering to women like that?
Why are we bashing MRAs for doing the real work for change?
Isaiah4verse1 10y ago
Good word.
They can only bother you if you allow them.
[deleted] 10y ago
One day a scorpion and a beetle stood next to a stream. They both needed to get across, so the scorpion offered to carry the beetle on it's stinger. The beetle told the scorpion that it was scared that it was going to get stung, but the scorpion insisted that it wouldn't try to, the beetle agreed to climb the stinger. Upon reaching the water the scorpions involuntary reflex was triggered and it stung the beetle, before death the beetle asked why the scorpion did it, the scorpion replied "sorry I couldn't help it, it's just my nature".
OmLaLa 10y ago
And the beetle didn't hate the scorpion, as the beetle should have learned to swim across on its own.
oldredpillhardmode 10y ago
Assuming you haven't completely given up on women in general, I prefer to apply the notion of wabi-sabi to help deal with their flaws. Their beauty is in their imperfection. You have to love their crazy rants, and enjoy the challenge of taming a wild mare. I personally love a challenge and rise to shit tests like a gladiator entering the arena. But that is how i approach life in general. I have never used the word deserve to refer to me. I don't even think about what the world or society owes me, I take what I want and leave the rest for the women and betas. In that order because the betas only get what the women think they deserve.
[deleted] 10y ago
I get it. Scorpion and the Frog. If I'm a RP Frog, I know that a scorpion will sting me if I give it a ride and if I do it anyway, get stung and die I was the dumbass because I should have known better.
But what if frog society taught me that scorpions were sweet, innocent creatures who love piggyback rides and one day I meet a cute little scorpion who smiles, shakes its tail and asks me for a ride across the stream.
I think about it and ask the scorpion how many other frogs it has ridden and how many it stung. The scorpion replies that it has only ridden one other frog, it didn't sting him and that it would never do that to me. I say cool, give the scorpion a ride and the motherfucker stings me in the back.
In that moment, as I lay dying, I have every damn right to hate scorpions and everyone who lied to me about them.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Wrong. It's on you for trusting a scorpion and depending on it for a ride when you could have just learned to swim.
[deleted] 10y ago
Actually, it's the other way around. The scorpion is the passenger, the frog the one who allows himself to be sweet talked into giving the scorpion a ride. The frog pays dearly for it.
The moral of the story is consistent with your message. Scorpions are gonna sting. Women will be women, AWALT. No need to hate if you know this. You do, however, need to be prepared to protect yourself and not get stung if you deal with the scorpion.
The point I was making with my variation of the story is that the hate you're referencing comes from the deception that's sold to men about male - female relationships and actively promoted by many women in society. While I agree that it's pointless to hate women per se, it's perfectly legitimate to hate the deception. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
Jester2552 10y ago
Anger is always a natural reaction to change or being awaken to the fact that you've been doing it wrong for however many years.
I think what trp is so good at is that it teaches guys that it's okay to be angry but if you're just angry and accept things you'll get what you've been getting. Trp to me anyways is a pathway to channel that inner anger into something that benefits YOU. Not your friends or Jenny Rottencrotch down the street...but you. Just personally speaking it was nice to discover that it's okay to not be satisfied with social norms and to put yourself first.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Hmm. Maybe I'm just not an angry person. I don’t know. A lot of people's refusal to drop their anger makes me think that my lack of anger is the outlier here. I assumed that anger was temporary.
Jester2552 10y ago
It's different for everyone obviously. I used to be angry about how women treated me...typical BP stuff. Trp just gave me goals to set and allowed me to accept what is social reality. By working on the goals and seeing the small results I have in my short time here the anger has for the most part subsided.
[deleted] 10y ago
Mmm, you've made senior, my how time flies.
Over time I've also come to this stage, it's really not my problem at this point, I'm apathetic to women acting in their nature and just enjoy them in the moment, I guess some small part of me still thinks about changing a woman, but really it's all evidence to the contrary.
OmLaLa 10y ago
u/Suravira, you ol' so and so! How you been? It's been ages.
I think we all feel that from time to time. You wish you could open their eyes, but you can't.
Me and my dog have been through some rough times in the past. I used to wish I could get him to truly sympathize with me and my situation.
But he can't. He's a dog. Any sympathy from him ultimately has an ulterior motive: losing a food source, evolutionary reaction, what have you.
"We see faces amongst the cracks in the walls. We hope the walls will listen to our plight and give the answer that might free us from our chains. Yet, alas, for these walls are nothing but plywood and concrete."
[deleted] 10y ago
Exactly what I think about my sister!
You can never change them, they can only be who they are. Honestly it's the same with men though, and that's what I like about TRP, you're not forcing them to change in the same way you would try with a friend, rather they change themselves and you can be there to help them on the way.
I'm good had some time off, but I could never leave. Some things are the same, some are different, it was interesting to see /u/Neoreactionsafe has become endorsed, I remember when he first started posting with weird formatting to try and emphasize his points, which meant his posts were horrible to read regardless of their quality, his posts now are good though.
Oh and I forgot to say so, but congratulations on making senior.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Thank you, my friend. Welcome back. Pull up a chair. You're always welcome at my table.
czatara 10y ago
I normally enjoy OP's posts very much, but this is completely wrong. It is just the new evolutionary pussy pass excuse that has been increasingly common in TRP.
Once AWALT is recognized and accepted, it is not about hating women for their choices and ultimately for who they are. As men, we are constantly asked to rise above our primary biological urges, otherwise rape (for real, not the modern Disney version) or violence against women would still be normal practice. But women get a pussy pass for following their instincts...
It is interesting that OP only gives examples from the animal kingdom. If women are not able to rise above their biological urges, then they also should renounce to all benefits of human civilization.
OmLaLa 10y ago
I'm not giving women a pussy pass by any means. Women do shitty things. But that's just how they are. They've always done shitty things and always will.
So show indifference towards them and not anger. Anger is a waste of energy and gets you nowhere. Through indifference you're completely uninvested.
czatara 10y ago
I agree with you on the anger issue, but indifference is not inaction. If a mosquito tries to bite you, do you forgive it for just doing what is in his nature or do you squash it like the annoying bug that it really is?
OmLaLa 10y ago
You kill the mosquito because you can without consequence or guilt. You can't just go around killing women just because they're annoying.
czatara 10y ago
I never implied that women should be killed for their annoyance. Instead, one should get rid of them with minimum consequence or guilt as soon as they become an annoyance (e.g. pump & dump).
Troll_Name 10y ago
Five simple steps to get out of the anger phase:
Might not cure everyone, but this dosage should exceed the LD50 for anger here.
OmLaLa 10y ago
2, 3 and 5 are choices. The baby boomers one is irrelevant.
Women are women just like a dog is a dog. The negative traits we discuss so adamantly have been around for centuries and aren't going anywhere.
An idiot can go to school, a beta can wake up, you can become better, but a woman’s not going to stop being hypergamous or manipulative or branch swing. Such is their nature.
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[deleted] 10y ago
Sometimes I miss my anger stage. I hit the gym hard but back when I hated women for lying I was tireless and regularly had two hour workouts
OmLaLa 10y ago
Yeah, but that anger blinds you and is ultimately counter-productive. You still have to coexist with that 50% of the global population. Hating half the world just for being in existence is not a very beneficial way to operate.
[deleted] 10y ago
Agreed. But I sure had a turbo kick of fuel for my passions.
BradPill 10y ago
The analogy is too simple (at best). You completely discount man's conscious. We do not expect animals to contemplate their actions (the wolf thinking to eat the mommy-bunny or not, now that she just gave birth and her babies will die without her).
What separates us from wild nature, is exactly that one thing: conscious decision-making. We should demand from anybody, including women, taking responsibility for one's actions. However, these days it seems double-standards are the only standard: a "man never thinks about a woman's feelings" (one of the main accusations), yet a woman has every right to fight, stand up for herself and live her life as a solitary individual, even if that results in destroying the life of a man (either a former spouse or a co-worker or sibling).
In a sense you are just condoning irresponsible and destructive behavior - trying to explain it from a natural perspective. By the same token that implies we don't have to raise children any longer (which many parents actually seem to adhere to, these days), because: "nature".
Women becoming an afterthought sounds great - apart from the fact that women do share our lives and demand a role in it - either directly or indirectly. Kinda hard to ignore them...
RedPillAnonymous 10y ago
Man, look at how white people viewed and treated black people 100 years ago. They did it because they were raised in a world where it was perfectly socially acceptable to do so. Morality is learned. Its all about social acceptance. People adopt beliefs of morality based on being praised or shunned. Racism today is socially ostracizing, thus white people don't want to be racist like 100 years ago. Women are absolutely lacking in compassion for men because there are no negative social consequences. If there were, women would learn empathy for men.
OmLaLa 10y ago
If the enslavement of the female populace was legalized, it's safe to say that, morally speaking, things would go easier for men. But I wouldn’t expect such a drastic shift in the tone of societal climate in our lifetime.
What's more, such a shift wouldn't stop women from being women. They'd have simply adapted to a more masculine society.
A rabbit can wish chains around the necks of wolves, but wishing doesn't change the nature of things. And should they manage the chains on the wolves neck, a wolf is still a wolf and is still just as dangerous.
RedPillAnonymous 10y ago
I wasn't suggesting we enslave women, I was suggesting we emancipate men, and take women to task for being sexist cunts. A tamed wolf isn't dangerous at all when it is raised by people instead of left to its wolf instincts.
All people will be vicious uncaring cunts if raised to think it is ok, look at every absolute monarch / Chinese emperor / dictator. People are only good when they internalize a fear of social ostracization for not being good to others.
Women think nothing of divorce raping a man because nobody treats these women like monsters. If we did they would think it was wrong. This isn't female nature, women are encouraged to be vicious cunts. Women are learning this. Look at Germans 65 years ago and look at them today. Same German genetics, totally different zeitgeist. Women's vile behavior is being taught to them, cultivated by feminism in the University, the media, the laws, ect.
FeeFeeFeaster 10y ago
It was naturally less aggressive wolves who were adopted by man. Early man didn't bend over backwards to accommodate the move aggressive wolves. Where there was no benefit to the interaction, the more aggressive wolves were shunned.
Edit: Point being - don't bother trying to "tame" women. Where there is a mutual benefit to the relationship, accept and enjoy that situation. Otherwise adapt & move on, shunning the feminists without a second thought.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Whose we? TRP?
TRP exists to both show men the truth of our feminine society and then teach them how to adapt to it.
We are not a group of radicalists. We cannot force or invoke change outside of our close-knit community.
Then the social climate must change. But again, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
And that's the society we live in now.
Not true. Women would always find a means to "hamster" or justify their actions. That is female nature. The only difference would be they wouldn't get away with it and wouldn't do so as openly as they do now.
Women make shitty decisions in general, hence why men are necessary. They've always made shitty decisions. The only difference between now and the zeitgeist of old Germany is the encouragement, or better yet, the acceptance of said behavior by the society at large.
Hypergamy and branch-swinging have literally always been there. Women cheating on men while at war, sneaking over to the neighbors, etc.
The only difference is the acceptance of society. The new sense of "morality" behind hypergamy is what's learned by the new feminist regime, not the hypergamous nature of women itself.
RedPillAnonymous 10y ago
Yes, we have told women that it is ok to be solely self interested without concern for any men. What would men be like if we told them the same?
I'm not saying we will change women, what I am saying is that they are completely responsible for their reprehensible behavior. If it is in their nature to be cunts, fine, then they are natural cunts, but cunts they remain.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Mosquitoes bite, when they bite it sucks, so we use bug spray to stop them from biting.
Now, should the drug store refuse to sell you bug spray for no reason meaning mosquitoes inevitably begin biting you more often, do you blame the mosquito?
No. The mosquitoes have always bitten, but you had bug spray to protect you.
Your blame should truly be directed at the drug store for causing your predicament. They are inadvertently allowing the bites to multiply.
But even then, being mad at the mosquito isn't going to stop them from biting, nor is being mad at the drug store going to force them to sell to you.
RedPillAnonymous 10y ago
Mosquitos are unthinking. Look up the "child king complex". TL;DR: Children who were considered divine emperors such as in China were never punished or scolded. They developed a unique psychology because of this.
People, including women, are not mosquitos. Social conditioning plays a huge role in human behavior. It is one thing to say it is beyond the scope of TRP to change women, it is another to say it's necessary to accept their shit. Yes their nature is inate, but that is true of men aswell. I still hold a man accountible if he is a narcissistic selfish prick. Men act better not because we are inherently better, but because we face consequences women don't.
Imagine if we raised a man like a girl. Imagine if starting at puberty girls made fools out of themselves to get at his dick. Imagine if girls jumped at the chance to show how chivalrous they were to this man. Imagine if they didn't say shit about men having primary custody. Do you think that guy would be a normal guy anyway because of his male nature? No, he'd be a massively entitled prick on the level of Jeoffrey Lannister.
It may be beyond the scope of TRP to try to change women. But they are only childish narcissists due to society conditioning them to be that way. Not everything is AWALT. Sure women can't change who they get tingles for. But they can chose to do the right thing over the self serving thing for the sake of being a good person just as well as men. They simply don't because of feminist indoctrination and a lack of social repercussions.
hebola4lyfe 10y ago
dude... stop using these retarded analogies .
Mosquitoes and women are totally different creatures on different power level .
jesus christ man
OmLaLa 10y ago
Don't pick away at the conveyance method when the overall message is effectively being communicated.
Analogies are used to express commonalities alongside two different elements to make a statement towards the overall subject matters being discussed, not as a literal juxtaposition between women and mosquitoes.
[deleted] 10y ago
This comes up quite a bit at MRP as well.
Guys are mad at their wives for shit testing and do womanly things.
They are the yin to our yang. Feminine women are fucking beautiful. Even with their solipsitic hypergamous nature they are fucking beautiful.
RetiredTimeHo 10y ago
The anger from these men is that they never get to experience women's femininity. A woman's femininity is reserved for desirable/alpha men.
Someone who has been a loser with women his whole life has watched this femininity from a distance but never experienced it firsthand.
OmLaLa 10y ago
I agree. Once they've witnessed it firsthand, I believe all of this hatred will subside.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Here here.
I get where the anger is coming from as I, as with many other Enlightened Alphas, have been there.
And yet, with the recent trend of "women bashing" posts hitting the top page, I felt it was high time to address how unjustified that anger really is.
Yeah, women do shitty things. But they don't see it as shitty and they never will. Their minds are constructed in a Machiavellian fashion; self-preservation and hypergamy is as normal to them as walking or talking. Such Is Their Nature.
[deleted] 10y ago
I've written a few posts on the topic as well and it comes down to the same thing.
Women are women, stop expecting them to think and act like men.
sir_Preacher 10y ago
Another good post, u/OmLaLa. This is fundamental TRP material.
While many of us went through the anger phase after unplugging, we need to come to terms with the fact that women will be women; your anger or hatred will not change their nature, it will only hinder your game.
Neo: Why do my eyes hurt?
Morpheus: You've never used them.
Morpheus: Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.
Most of us would NEVER have swallowed the pill if not for first-hand experiences with the nature of women. The problem now is not the women, but the culture that promotes their bad behaviour and rewards them for it.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
How many corpses?
Would you say "don't hate murderers for being what they are.... they murder. it's what they do. so don't hate them just because they commit murder - if they didn't murder, they wouldn't be murderers would they?" Probably not. You'd say "this happens, this isn't right, let's stop it".
So I ask you... how broken men? How many men rotting in jails on false rape charges? How many careers ruined through women's machinations? How many men getting an appalling divorce settlement that literally ruins the rest of their lives? How many men battling on and living a miserable life with a shrew of a wife for the sake of his children? How many men are raising someone else's child, because of her
sluttinesshypergamy? How many men living miserable frustrated lives that could be so happy if they only had access to the truth? How many corpses?You're correct OP... you're correct. But that doesn't make it right. Men deserve the truth. We all deserve the truth.
AlphaAccountant 10y ago
A lot. Record everything. At a bare minimum, get a "you fucked me really good in a consensual way" text the day after.
A lot. You just have to out-psycopath them.
A lot. If you're stupid enough to keep playing the game with the new rules aka Marriage 2.0, you deserve it.
A lot. But betas will never understand that they're miserable anyways.
A lot. Which is actually what got us here as a species. My personal plan is to get a vasectomy and go the insemination route.
A lot. But you take for granted that they would be able to accept the truth if they ever saw it.
A lot. To quote Rollo
As a final note: sexual liberation and the Internet have made it easier than ever to hookup. Pretty fantastic time to be alive.
TheReformist94 10y ago
Yeh tbh I'm getting sick of posts like this.society and the law actually encourages this bad destructive nature of women.men are materially and psychologically shat on. If we went round fucking loads of women on the side whilst having a wife and kids(endangering the wellbeing of our children),beating up people (a valid Darwinian strategy, raping women (a valid albeit immoral reproductive male strategy),I can assure you there'd be no such is the nature of men posts. Some of women's behaviour is outright fucked up and psychopathic.no I will not accept that,and if i have to,and there's nothing protecting me,ill start defending my own shit behaviour to adjust to the new sexual marketplace as I have my own sexual strategy to attend.sexual amorality works both ways.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Exactly my point.
Society is the problem, not women. Women are women, women do shitty things and women have always had the propensity to do shitty things. Now it's become legal for them to do so. They've simply adapted to a leash-less society.
The social climate favors them, and as such, they've learned to benefit from it.
Women make shitty decisions in general, hence why men are necessary. They've always made shitty decisions. Hypergamy and branch-swinging have literally always been there. Women cheating on men while at war, sneaking over to the neighbors, etc. Women will always find a means to "hamster" or justify their actions.
That is female nature.
The only difference would be they wouldn't get away with it and wouldn't do so as openly as they do now should the climate favor us.
This new sense of "morality" behind the hypergamy of women is what's learned by women under the new feminist regime, not the hypergamous nature of women itself.
We can't expect morality and logical rationality from a purely emotional creature. Men and women are different.
Yes, it is. But, in the social climate we currently live in, that's the way things are. Resenting women for using said climate to their advantage isn't going to change that.
Because men and women are different. As another RPer stated earlier, our forefathers didn't have any of these problems. That's because the climate was in our favor and, being men, our society catered more to rational thought.
Now it's become so emotional driven that rationality and logic are oft placed on the back burner or completely out of sight.
I don't follow what you mean here.
Yes, it does. But to be amoral about something, you can't be angry over a perceived notion of immorality in something else. Either all things are either amoral or none are.
LMS_THEORY_ 10y ago
All those poor chaps you mentioned, made a choice to live their lives the way they see fit, regardless if the woman's actions. A murder victim had no control over their death. Poor analogy.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
Did they have a choice though, if they didn't know they had any other options? I posit that most men are actively misled, and by not being fully informed that are making bad choices that are not entirely their own fault.
LMS_THEORY_ 10y ago
Yes they have a choice. Its up to them to choose the women they wants to be with. They might not know of the nature of women (or at least to TRP's extent) but they have the woman's character, present circumstances, and history of relationships. Some women hide those things well, but it comes a time when personal responsibility comes into play in regards to how you failed to recognize her nature
icecow 10y ago
I'm not trying to be a 'peacemaker' in anyway, but I think both you and OP are right. The metaphors just don't mesh coherently. Remaining a slow rabbit will never help, and a murderer is a murderer. Fast rabbits inspire fast rabbits. The more fast rabbits, the less rabbits eaten alive. When there are enough fast rabbits the wolves turn to a different way of life.
There is some conflation going on when comparing the two metaphors as well. Are the wolves symbolic of women who take their natural advantages no different than a man would if the tables are turned? or are these wolves symbolic of women prey on men manipulating them and stealing their earnings as evil acts on par to the act of murder?
There are women who marry without divorce rape in mind, then get to the point of divorce and think, "fuck it, I guess that's how it works" and take all. There are women who marry without divorce rape in mind but know in the back of their minds divorce rape will be the result if it doesn't work out. Then there are women who go into marriage with the intent of riding the man like a cowboy hat wearing monkey rides a pig, until it's not fun anymore, then dismounts to divorce rape for laughs, cash, and prizes. So there are different kinds of women, in that sense.
"if you marry the woman who has no divorce rape in mind, then gets to the point of divorce and thinks, "fuck it, I guess that's how it works" and takes all", THEN YOU WERE LUCKY". Think about how stupid that logic is. You lose everything in all three scenarios.
That's why it all starts with being a fast rabbit. You can't address the murderers if you are dead.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
They marry knowing they'll be catered for whether the marriage works or not. I can assure you that if divorce went against them, they wouldn't marry. After all - women may fuck poorer men but they don't marry them. They know it's a terrible idea, and they are much more pragmatic in these things than men who can be very idealistic (or perhaps hopeful).
Agreed on being a fast rabbit. There's no alternative than to accept nature as it is and make the best of it. The game is played whether one chooses to partake or not.
elchucknorris300 10y ago
A murderer is an extreme subcategory of person, so we don't hate all people, just murderers. The worst examples you listed above - ruined careers, false rape charges, appalling settlements only come from the worst women. So why hate all women?
Further, I'd argue it's a waste of energy hating anyone including murders. You should still adapt, alter your expectations, and punish the murderer. But hatred does nothing.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
Because women lie about reality. Obviously most are not guilty of the worst crimes. But virtually all maintain the facade. And they control men into maintaining it too, with their machinations and covert threats.
Accept their nature? For sure I do. Accept it? I have to. Don't hold it against them? How can I not... they are not base animals, judgements apply for actions.
sir_wankalot_here 10y ago
In life you deserve fuck all. Read that again. In life you deserve fuck all.
You are comparing apples and oranges. But we will work with it. A good cop, the guy whose job is to catch murderers would not hate murderers. He is a professional and professionals do not allow emotions to cloud their judgement.
A good cop to catch a murderer will often have to put himself in the perspective of the murderer. With emotion like you are talking about, this is not possible.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
The cop in your example isn't saying "well, they're murderers... just accept it and be happy about it", he's saying "this is wrong and I will help put an end to it". That's why I post on TRP.
sir_wankalot_here 10y ago
I used to think that way. Now think about this for a moment. Let's say instantaneous you could stop all crime in a society. Now ask yourself these questions
Would society be a better off or worse ? Does crime serve a purpose in society ?
[deleted] 10y ago
What truth? The message of TRP is waking guys up, opening their eyes if you will. But women didn't create the mess we're in, whiteknight weaksauce men did.
These men live this way because they're too weak to face the harsh reality, so they live in the weaksauce society we have.
destraht 10y ago
Actually I think that some very powerful men engineered this situation, although for the vast majority of them I don't think that it was a point A to B kind of master plan but a series of exploitations based around cutting edge social science and being able to deliver it through back channel mediums that didn't exist before. The ancients who went through numerous of these cycles over thousands of years didn't have tools like radio, television and Internet and so they didn't build any cultural defenses against them because it was inconceivable. With television in particular social manipulators can pre-program people to respond to circumstances by emulating the only similar exposure that they have ever had. I see it that now things are this way that its merely a historical deconstruction to help gain insight and that the reality is that a lot of people have internalized the exploitation and have been born after its implementation.
masnera 10y ago
Exactly! you just voice out what is in my mind. And for those ion anger phase... The longer you stay there, the more of your time is wasted. and energy ...just for being angry.
NecroticFury 10y ago
well its almost as if they dont deserve me. or I dont deserve them. Whatever.
MGTOW
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
You're right, but it's not the whole picture. Men are born into a weak position and maneuvered into an even weaker one. They are so cornered and blinkered they can't even see the direction of the way out - by the design of others.
There will always be a bottom 80% of men, and women will give these men little reproductive choice but to commit everything in the hope of getting the leftover shreds of her sexuality. This is biology, this is not changeable. If all men became superheros tomorrow, women would still discard or just use the bottom 80% of supermen.
To blame people put into an impossible position for making the best choices available to them is unfair. Yes there are plenty of weak men out there. But also men are brainwashed from birth to believe the blue pill shit. This is not their fault and they cannot entirely be blamed.
Except the white knights. Fuck the white knights.
spunk_wizard 10y ago
If you're going to be angry at anyone, be angry at the white knights. They perpetuate these Blue Pill dream world ideas and they enable women to further that agenda. Don't be mad at women for capitalizing on that.
I'd hope that if a white knight offered you something to your advantage with little to nothing in return, you'd take it and laugh at them too.
icecow 10y ago
The majority of boys are born in to a 99% white knight cultured society, in a white knight incubator. It is an awkward truth that all boys/men are responsible, at some point, for detecting it and reversing themselves no matter how strongly things are stacked against them, or unfair life is. It's ugly, unfair, and repulsive, but true.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
You are placing responsibility on men for uncovering a truth that is hidden from them by all. I think that's unfair and we should set about reversing this as much as we are able.
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That's just it though. We aren't able. Look at the media. Liberals own everything. They don't even let you think the truth, let alone spread it. That's called bigotry. Women are all super heroes and men are all disgusting. We lose because we let them think we don't deserve to fight.
OmLaLa 10y ago
We can mourn the eaten rabbits, we can be angry that wolves eat rabbits, or we can be mad that we weren't fast enough to escape the wolves and got bitten.
But none of these things will stop the wolves from being wolves and none of these things make us faster rabbits.
All we can do is acknowledge the fact that there are wolves out there, be prepared for any possible encounter and run as fast as we can.
We can't change Nature, we can't change the wolves, but we can change ourselves to adapt and benefit from both.
Rebikhan 10y ago
Yes, but most men think they're married to sheep. When the fake wool comes off and the teeth sink in, they die.
It's important not to hate wolves for being wolves, but those that exclaim that wolves are actually sheep deserve anger.
OmLaLa 10y ago
A wolf is a wolf. However it catches you, whether by chase or by hiding in bushes, you can't hate it for doing what wolves do.
It's on the rabbit for not adhering to caution while approaching the bush. And Nature isn't fair or just.
RamsayRedbeard 10y ago
I loved this response. But, to play devil's advocate, we did control 'wolves' for centuries. It wasn't until recently that leftist ideology became dominant, and thus, forced in a new paradigm that has resulted in our present state of affairs.
OmLaLa 10y ago
You're right.
To the analogy, I'd say that the climate better favored the rabbits on top of the fact that the rabbits were "faster".
But, in light of a climate better suited to the wolves, the odds are now constantly and heavily against us and we have become much slower rabbits.
spunk_wizard 10y ago
I'd argue that although the odds being suited to the wolves means a lot more eaten rabbits, some rabbits that sufficiently know about the odds will benefit a lot more. Top 20% and all that.
I don't have to outrun the wolf. I just have to outrun YOU
RedPillAnonymous 10y ago
Women have always controlled men. Feminism is just updating traditional chivalry for the post industrial world. The medieval fool plowing a field 14 hours a day while his wife sat at home was not some strong dominant man in charge, he was a bitches bitch plowing a field to provide for her. Patriarchy is just an old form of controlling men. The whole "every man got a loyal virgin" is the dumbest lie ever. You got to plow a field all day while Chad the milkman plowed your wife. Just because feminism attacks patriarchy doesn't make it good, it simply no longer serves women, and it never served men. Source: ask any Indian or Asian or Middle Eastern on here who grew up in a patriarchal country.
WAFC 10y ago
But those women were, by and large, held to their obligations. They held up their end of the deal. Now the deal is, "We will be married until I get bored. While married, you will provide for me. I may or may not chip in on the bills. When it's over, I'm taking half of all of it and any children we may have. I'm going to rotate alpha (not synonymous with quaity) males through your child(ren)'s life like a revolving door at the WTC on a Tuesday in September to satisfy my vagina. And you're going to pay me for the privilege."
Give me 10 hours in the field and a wife who has dinner waiting and raises my children and keeps her legs closed.
RedPillAnonymous 10y ago
You'd get a wife who made dinner, but legs closed not likely, and she would bitch at you to no end, and you would have no escape as divorce wouldn't be allowed unless you could prove infidelity, which you can't since she has a solid 12 hours a day to herself. It may have been better than today, but it was still a shit deal for men.
We don't need patriarchy, what we need is to end alimony and child support, default 50% shared custody/time with children regardless of marriage, and legal paternal surrender. Then we are free.
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TrueFacets 10y ago
But I do hate all mosquitoes! Insects in general to be honest. crawling everywhere & shit xD
suchhound 10y ago
Thing is
I have never seen a rabbit fucking a wolf
OmLaLa 10y ago
Too literal a translation, friend.
masnera 10y ago
Survival of the Fittest, at its core, with women and society filtering the strong, Physically, Mentally and Spiritually. Those who are sleep will be encouraged to sleep, and those who will be awakened will be test more vigorously . Human Race, the most successful race on this planet, even though the most dominant, Will still be subjected to Natures Way ...survival of the fittest.
[deleted] 10y ago
If a wasp stings you, you don't go around looking for beehives and trying to fuck up their day. If you go to a wasps nest, and you disrupt the balance and try to duel with Waspkind for the one or few stings you've had, the hive will buzz, and more come dredging out and you'll be overwhelmed sooner or later.
You don't do that at all. You learn that you can DEAL with it, you avoid them, or you can fucking stay still as they pass on their merry way hoping they aren't looking for a fight, or you wait for pest control with their superior technology to eliminate the hive before the wasps even notice what's coming to them.
That's one nature, or look of being a man. Deal with it, amiryt? Good post, Om.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Your analogy made me laugh. Good on you. Thanks for reading/sharing
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See that's the thing I don't understand.
Why would you still engage or interact with women knowing that "all guns are loaded". For me, I wouldn't pick up a gun unless I had some use for it -- unless it served a purpose/value to me (e.g. I needed to shoot someone/something). In the same way, I wouldn't engage or go to a place with "wasps" in the first place if I didn't want to get stung.
So why on earth would men, after discovering TRP, still engage with women -- still putting themselves at risk of being damaged/injured/betrayed? Understanding how women works is the first step, but why would one, after knowing what they're capable of, bother investing anymore time on them (instead of on themselves/fitness/career/lifestyle)?
rife_omeqa 10y ago
You understand that just fine. Your last paragraph sums up TRP pretty well.
You can only be betrayed by those you trust. Don't trust women to be anything more than women and you won't be betrayed.
TRP is limiting risk by limiting investment. That investment is better spent on yourself or spread to multiple women for more rewarding results.
There was a thread a few days ago about Mark Cuban swearing at a televised event. Saying "fuck" earned him a $10,000 fine. When he was told about the fine, on air, he replied with "fuck it" and upping the fine to $20,000. He spent $10,000 for a 3 second laugh because he felt like it. $10,000 represents so little investment to him he can fuck around with it and have some fun without it meaning anything of significance to him. That $10,000 cannot hurt him or blackmail him or betray him or damage him. But I'm sure the loss of $10,000 could fuck up the lives of a lot of people. It's all a matter of perspective and relativity.
An alpha mindset is exactly the same. If $10,000 is your life savings you shouldn't be fucking around with it. If you're so heavily invested in 1 woman you shouldn't be fucking around with it and you probably aren't but that doesn't mean she isn't or someone else isn't. The key is to limit investment so when shit hits the fan or you get bored you can throw away the $10,000 or "next" the girl without losing half your shit or ripping your heart out. If you can't afford to fuck around with $10,000 dollars then you're better off fucking around with 20 x $500 so if one of them goes south it's no big deal. Diversify. Don't put all your eggs in 1 basket if you can't afford to drop it.
That's the bitterness of the pill. The knowledge that from here on out it's all about risking the chump change. Engaging with women for entertainment or shits and giggles can seem like a shallow approach. No risk, no thrill. Most people get to this point when swallowing the pill and stop. They might have taken the pill because they got burned and at this point they know how to not get burned. Job done.
The sweetness of the pill comes when much of that which used be invested in women is instead invested in yourself. Instead of getting your thrills and emotional highs from dealings with women you get them by testing, challenging and ultimately improving yourself. Women are entertainment and you're happy with that because you're getting what else you need from other sources and thus don't need anything but entertainment from them.
TL;DR: One woman accounting or 100% of your investment in time, money, effort, happiness, etc is a recipe for disaster. 5 women at 10% each accounting for 50% of your investment plus 50% in yourself is a much healthier and ultimately happier approach.
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The most extreme situation in this case would be to have zero investment yet still get benefit (e.g. the hypothetical situation of lying in bed and having a whole queue of women knocking on my door).
Obviously this isn't the case, I think one must invest (even just a little bit) in order to get something in return. I was in Monk Mode (and still have remnants of that lifestyle right now) and although I had zero investment in women (would even shun them when they say "Hi" to me subconsciously), I didn't get laid and didn't get any advances. A woman has shown interest, given IOIs, one even blatantly said "I couldn't keep my eyes off you, are you single" -- but because I didn't reciprocate (or reciprocated in the lowest-investment possible like one-word-texts, they stopped).
Your "Mark Cuban" mindset is spot-on. I appreciated it and intend to adopt it.
OmLaLa 10y ago
What you're listing is indifference or avoidance altogether. There's no harm in not playing.
But what I'm addressing is the pointlessness of bitter resentment to no end or gain.
Whether you're angry over the woman being a woman or accept and adapt to it, at the end of the day, she'll still be there, with the same shitty behavior, still getting away with it, with her slew of orbiters in tow.
[deleted] 10y ago
You misunderstand, I do see your point and agree that acceptance (as opposed to trying to "fight it" or "change it") is the way to go.
My question is that why, after TRP, would a man with any self-respect and discipline still indulge in women? That time could be spent building an empire, reading books, manipulating people to advance your career. Knowing that women are like that, why even bother?
It's like someone that knows heroin is bad for you, but still takes it. Women are not a necessity and not a priority if you have a strong path in life, so why would anyone allow themselves to commit to women (even a ONS is a commitment since it's using your time/energy, albeit a very low investment on your part)
OmLaLa 10y ago
For sex. Men need sexual release. It's hard-wired into us.
Any time outside of the pursuit sex can be used for this purpose.
For sex and sex alone.
More like you need food but the ground around it has mines buried. You have to tread lightly and understand the mines are there.
You're absolutely right. I'd never advocate otherwise.
They shouldn't. Women are a time/energy/money vacuum.
But still, sex is only garnered this way. I don't know about you, but I enjoy sex. I'm not a fan of women, especially in this day and age, but that I like.
And women aren't completely unavoidable. I have women in my workplace, some of my co-workers are women and some of my clients' representatives are women. I still have to deal with them day-to-day.
I'm assuming that you lean in favor of MGTOW. That's a fair option. And if I didn't enjoy sex so much or work around women I might do the same.
[deleted] 10y ago
Very apt analogy, but like I said, knowing the risks, why would you enter the minefield in the first place -- is the reward of sex really worth the risk. In a sense, that's no different than putting pussy on a pedestal.
Just out of curiosity, is this the only utility you see in females? Hookers would do the trick if all you needed was sex. You mentioned women in workplace and everyday life, in that case, yes, they serve a different utility (to advance your career, for instance), and in those cases it's advantageous to have the means to charm them into your bidding.
But other than that, I suppose while I do enjoy sex, I enjoy the possession of power more. With regards to sexual release, I enjoy sexual tension (hence I'm immediately drawn to women with good game), otherwise, sometimes I feel like I can get myself off easier, than with a woman that I simply have zero emotional connection with, or have no appreciation towards.
I'm twenty, so I'm pretty damn young to take a stance on MGTOW or marriage (yeah, no) or just women in general, just yet. All I know is that right now, the smartest investment I can make is on myself -- physically, vocationally, spiritually/emotionally (via meditation), and intellectually. Spending too much time on anything else is frankly a distraction and a waste (although I do make time to enjoy myself with friends, good music, and a select few TV shows, but in very moderate doses -- less than 10% of my time).
OmLaLa 10y ago
I have a rather high libido, so the hooker route would be quite the money drain. Plating women has been the most cost-effective option I've had in regards to obtaining sex.
So do I. I both love and crave power, in garnering, in displaying of and in it's exploitation.
In "Don't Be Afraid to Dominate" Part 2, I briefly covered how the relationships between me and my plates operates.
Sure, it takes a hell of a lot of effort at the start, what with conditioning and breaking their bad habits through discipline, but across the long-term, I'd say it's well worth said effort, or at least it is in my case.
Now I'm blessed with an army of women at beck and call with unwavering obedience. They cook, clean, do the dishes, all with no commitment or effort on my end. It's wonderful.
I'd make comparison to a father/daughter relationship.
What the father says, goes. And as such, sex has become an afterthought. It's guaranteed. A given, with options.
I don't know. I like my situation. It's free and -as of now- effortless. I know full well what wolves are capable of, but these wolves's leashes are so short that I hardly need to worry about it.
...and no humblebrag intended. That's honestly not my point here. Anyways, moving on.
It doesn't have to be. I'm a strong advocate for the irrelevance of age in the presence of experience. There are 20-somethings wiser that 60-somethings. The passage of time means nothing if it's squandered i.e. no experiences are garnered from it.
I'm younger than a lot of people would guess, and yet I've been graced with the opportunity to see the world, box professionally overseas, own a few small companies, work corporate a a large one and dominate a harem. I'm literally living out my dreams.
That said, there is little an older man could tell me at this point should he lack the experience or the intellect to back it up.
Again, no humblebrag intended. Just a bit introspective on things at the moment.
Better yourself but don't miss out on life. I made this mistake early on. I was becoming successful, but didn't enjoy any of it. It was all I did. Work, build, toil. I was becoming depressed.
I asked myself, "At the end of the day, what's the point?" Even if I became successful, sure the things around me would improve, but I'd only be working towards the next thing. Then I'd die with so much accomplished that I didn't ever get to appreciate.
So, better yourself but don't starve yourself. Indulge yourself, but don't spoil yourself. Discipline isn't abstinence, it's control.
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I relate to this; does the world not seem quite dull at this point though? Because that's how I felt when it seems like every new person that I interact with is faceless and a clone of someone that I've met before -- how every new experience or emotion I feel is simply a duller shade of something I experienced before. Especially when compared to my childhood when I saw the world through naive and fantastical eyes. The only way out of this -- for me -- is through learning, there's always something new to learn and that still manages to fascinate me.
I try my best to shift this mindset to something akin to "I can learn something from everyone -- or I can learn something about myself through every interaction".
I could see that happening, mind elaborating on how you reached this epiphany? As of right now I'm quite the opposite. I indulge myself in work -- I enjoy seeing the weights go up at the gym and the grades go up in med school. I'm young and have miles to go... I don't want to stop now because I feel like if I did, I'll lose momentum and never reach my maximal potential -- I'd die unhappy knowing that there could've been more I could do, I won't be able to sleep knowing that the reason I have to keep starting over is because I continuously give up.
(That said, the corollary to this is that I still make time to relax. But my means of relaxation are concentrated/focused relaxation such as meditation, sleeping/napping, hanging out with one or few friends in small groups -- and then I recharge and head back to the grind)
Again, to me, this is what I appreciate, at least at this stage of my life. Working towards the next thing is awesome, I love keeping myself busy and occupied, driven and focused -- that's what I enjoy. My definition of "don't miss out on life" is via work and more work, funny enough.
We see eye to eye on this. Controlled gratification (instead of allowing the gratifying things to control you -- like binge eating or sex addiction) is key to a fulfilling life in the long-term.
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mrmeyhemn 10y ago
i don't hate them, i just dont give a fuck about them, i don't respect them, and will do nothing to help them in any way. women see indifference towards their "plight", lack of respect for them, and not doing for/helping them as hate. so do white knight manginas.
the opposite of love is not hate, its indifference. if you hate, you care. i simply don't care about them anymore.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Indifference is much better than hatred or anger, that I assure you.
mrmeyhemn 10y ago
hate is wasted energy, its a product of fear. its much better to put your emotion into something positive and productive rather than something negative that drains you.
thanks for all the great posts OmLaLa
jtcribbs 10y ago
What a horrible message. You say the same of the homeless or disabled as well? What do you care about?
mrmeyhemn 10y ago
Me, my offspring, my family, my friends. I am indifferent to women. The homeless get more sympathy from me because they are overwhelmingly male. whenever I see a homeless woman i think to myself "look, a woman with a penis"
[deleted] 10y ago
Most people I know hate mosquitos.
Hating people for their nature is bad strategy, but treating nature as a free pass is too.
OmLaLa 10y ago
I'd argue that you don’t hate mosquitoes. You dislike the result of their instinct driven actions.
Nor would I say that you blame the mosquito for taking said action, as you know that mosquitoes, not unlike all living things, must eat.
That said, unlike women, to some degree, the interaction between you and the mosquito is unavoidable and nonconsenting. No amount of self betterment can lessen your chances of being bitten without the aid of bugspray.
So, in that sense, you're right. Mosquitoes don't match one to one. But the point is still clear.
Anyways, what's up CWM? Its been too long.
[deleted] 10y ago
Fucking law school, man. Takes up 70 hours a week and today I'm just having a hard time making myself study today. Winter breaks coming up though.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Hey, more power to you. My brothers in law school and I haven’t seen him in months, so I can only imagine the hell you're going through.
But good luck, man. More power to you.
[deleted] 10y ago
Thanks buddy.
MaciekGortat 10y ago
Forget the hate for a moment. Whether it's aimed towards women or your-old-self for the beta shit your pulled off.
Don't you ever feel resentment towards them? Coming from pure disgust. Like, I know /u/omlala by reading your stuff, you probably don't. You don't care what they do when they are out there.
But fuck, what if I do? Concerning the thousand cock stare. It's such a turn-off for me. No matter how I rationalize this nature of theirs.
Don't you ever go wow, what a slut in a negative manner? Maybe I am just young and weird. Easy women are just so fucking boring.
[deleted] 10y ago
Why would you? Do you feel resentment to men for being men?
and water is wet, why does that bother you?
You should just do you and not worry about shit that doesn't bring value to your life. If a whore is a whore, ok be the next dude to fuck her or ignore her entirely. The only people in your life are the ones you allow in. Friends, family, FWB you are the gatekeeper to all of these people when it comes to your time and attention.
Either let them in or don't. But don't complain when you choose to allow someone else to steal your time and attention, that's just you being weak.
Bartand 10y ago
Personally its not the woman my problem, it's the culture that are manipulating/indoctrinating them to buy shit and do bad things.
Denswend 10y ago
It's not somehow making them bad, as if the media is some sort of congregation of warlocks. It's enabling them to be the worst version of themselves and get away with it.
And it is self-referencing problem. The more you involve women in politics, the more will they push for maximizing their privileges and minimizing their responsibilities - and doing the inverse for men. This culture didn't come out from vacuum, Martians did not enforce it on us. They (women) wanted it.
We should never forget that.
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Women always wanted that and they got to shut up for a lot of time. No way this happened because of them, they literally never had balls to risk a social fight against men.
The problem is some very high level Dark triads actually gave them the power to fuck society over so that they could reap the rewards and leave us the shit.
When society let immoral men get on top, you can't expect much else.
I know morality is not what TRP is about, but in steady societies is what all is based on ( together with strength and bravery ).
The same facts we need to get an amoral point of view means we need to get out of society patterns ( atleast mentally ) to live a good life. That would never be let happen in morally-savy reigns. Nobody trust a real triad but another triad or a very powerful man ( which while not a triad, may still hold the power to control him/her ). And there are more triads than powerful men these days.
We can blame women all we like but that won't put the devil in the cage again. So i guess i agree with OP post. Until there isn't a united moral stance against modernism there is no hope to change shit socially. And until you don't adopt a individual stance against it, there is no hope for you to survive it.
[deleted] 10y ago
Yep, women have always been like that. It's definitely the culture that's going into the toilet.
Our forefathers didn't face the same problems that we do. Women may have been hypergamous and narcissistic but they were kept on a leash and damn well knew who was the master.
oldredpillhardmode 10y ago
Nothing keeping us from continuing to keep them on a leash except weak willed, pussified men.
NecroticFury 10y ago
its fucking illegal you fool. And a human rights violation.
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J_AsapGem 10y ago
This, exactly this, social media has completely corrupted and cause a terrible evolution to occur to the women, but as OP says we shouldn't hate them for being women, just have to adapt to their new nature.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Trust me, I couldn't agree with you more.
All I'm asking is that our scorn and anger be directed in the right direction.
And fuck social media.
masnera 10y ago
"All I'm asking is that our scorn and anger be directed in the right direction" couldn't agree with you more. But there will be "someone" that will be preventing us to direct the anger at the right direction, there would be "someone" that is benefiting from this current status quo, I have this gut feeling, but then again, i have my own life to live.
epixs 10y ago
I'm in the generation when social media started and everyone I know has one, I fucking hate it so much. I choose to not get involved with it, such a time sink.
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spunk_wizard 10y ago
Something a ton more productive than endlessly scrolling through people's self portraits at music festivals....
RedSugarPill 10y ago
The wolves got together and made a pact that forces unwary rabbits to run their entire lives through molasses.
OmLaLa 10y ago
I'd say it's more as though Nature was changed to make a climate more beneficial for the wolves; the Nature of wolves and rabbits remain constant while the Nature of the world has adjusted.
Funny thing is, while in cases like these many -if not all- of the slower rabbits would be eaten, natural selection would eventually kick in and "faster rabbits" would be all that's left, given a period of peace for the rabbit while the wolves try to adapt.
In short, all of this will have to come to a head a some point. And once it does, I'm willing to bet the ideology of
ouryour forefathers won't be far behind it.RedSugarPill 10y ago
Very good point. I can't figure out if the "
ouryour" was a dig. Do we know each other, or are you nonhuman?OmLaLa 10y ago
No no. Nothing like that. It was a racial thing. I don't really have "forefathers". We came in on slave ships.
RedSugarPill 10y ago
Got it--I do like your sense of humor though--just wanted to get the joke. I'm told that I'm part Native American and plenty of European immigrant, so I apologize on behalf of 15/16ths of my ancestry. The other 1/16 is freaking pissed.. :)
Subcommandante_Khan 10y ago
Women have always been closer to the animal and irrational by nature. They have to be. They pop out the humans.
jtcribbs 10y ago
The only accurate comment on this shit thread.
hebola4lyfe 10y ago
Seriously have you seen these blue pill replies ? Its fucking disgusting how even in this sub we have manginas telling us " to not hate women for their decisions and behaviors " . Even after reading TRD they still take away agency from women . " its their nature " " its not their fault " "they are following their instinct"
What kind of fucking bullshit reasoning is that ? This is the same logic that manginas live by . Are we going to let women do whatever the fuck they want at our expense ?
Women are not human anymore . They show no empathy or compassion for anyone . They have become complete monsters with no feelings .
OmLaLa 10y ago
A sound one. You seem to be mistaking "show no anger" with "accept" or "forgive".
Society is the problem, not women. Women are women, women do shitty things and women have always had the propensity to do shitty things. Now it's become legal for them to do so. They've simply adapted to a leash-less society.
But for you to get upset towards women for their shitty behaviour does nothing to rectify the social climate nor does it better you in any way.
No it isn't. A mangina forgives, an Alpha adapts. As an Alpha, adapt to the shitty situation and show indifference to the nature of women. Even anger is an investment into them. It shows you care.
The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.
And you shouldn't. The anger phase is temporary for a reason. You accept the fact that women are shitty and you move on. You rebuild yourself around that fact.
A "mangina" would say "forgive". I haven't said that once. Recognize that there's nothing that can be done and move on with your life.
Women make shitty decisions in general, hence why men are necessary. They've always made shitty decisions. Hypergamy and branch-swinging have literally always been there. Women cheating on men while at war, sneaking over to the neighbors, etc. Women will always find a means to "hamster" or justify their actions.
That is female nature.
The only difference would be they wouldn't get away with it and wouldn't do so as openly as they do now should the climate favor us.
This new sense of "morality" behind the hypergamy of women is what's learned by women under the new feminist regime, not the hypergamous nature of women itself.
We can't expect morality and logical rationality from a purely emotional creature. Men and women are different.
To us? No. To others or to society? What choice do we have?
We are not a group of radicalists. We cannot force or invoke change outside of our close-knit community.
They haven't become monsters. They are monsters off leashes. But don't hate the monster for being a monster.
And if you must show hatred, turn it towards the one who removed their leash. Turn it towards society at large.
Graybrownshoes 10y ago
Can't blame nature for working out the kinks. This is essentially the Red Queen Hypothesis: wolf & rabbit will both speed up as they are both "benefited". However, both must run faster to keep the same spot in the food chain.
Just like in nature, there is no such thing as a perfect being, there are always tradeoffs. Like the title says, don't be mad at women for being women. It's what makes them attractive to us, and it is what makes us hurt at the end of the day when it's not reality. Abundance prevents attachment to expectations (the mother of all heartbreaks).
Rasalom72 10y ago
You can hate the women that let themselves become disgusting ham planets. Or that wear sleep wear out doors. Or that don't know how to fucking drive.
You can totally hate women for what they do.. just don't hate them for what they are.
OmLaLa 10y ago
I'd also advocate against hatred towards what they do, especially if it doesn't directly involve you.
If a woman wants to be a lonely ham planet, doomed to live out the one life she has in misery, so be it. That's her life, not mine.
Even if a woman acts against me, whether through branch swinging or manipulation, I don't get angry over it. I cut her out.
You don't get angry at cancer. You get angry at the fact that it was forced upon you and there's nothing you can do about it.
But women aren't forced upon you.
If a woman lashes out or is below your expectations, you simply walk away. Anger breeds nothing. Anger is inaction and a weakness of frame. But action, to separate yourself from the cancerous women in your life, without anger or resentment, now that speaks volumes more.
Subcommandante_Khan 10y ago
Anger admits one is not in control, which is not true when it comes to women.
Rasalom72 10y ago
Unless you're at the bar and some cow decides to grind up on you... ugh... I feel dirty just typing that.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Ugh, ham planets are the worst...
Red_Pill_Raskol 10y ago
I don't buy it. Shameful behavior must be shamed, if not hated. It depends on the results from the behavior.
If you create a special Pussy Class who is above reprehension you really have just fucked up society. My advice is to go ahead, hate women's behavior a little bit. Point out how dumb, hypocritical it can be and shame them for it. What do you think is going to happen to you?
EDIT: For getting laid don't do this. But is deliberately taking a normative point of view so I'm not speaking to that.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Hatred and anger is wasted energy towards elements that can't be changed or altered.
To the analogy, let's consider 5 different types of rabbits:
Rabbit 1 accepts the wolf and climate which caters to the wolf but does not improve himself to adapt. [Beta]
Rabbit 2 is angry over the wolf and climate but does not improve. [MRA]
Rabbit 3 accepts the wolf and climate and tries to adapt to both without improving himself. [PUA]
Rabbit 4 is angry over the wolf and climate while improving himself. [Anger Phase RP]
Rabbit 5 accepts the wolf and climate while improving himself to adapt to both. [RP]
Rabbits 1 and 2 have roughly the same likelihood of being eaten. Whether or not they are angry, they are still slow rabbits.
Rabbit 3 has a slight edge over Rabbits 1 and 2, but is still ultimately a slow rabbit. He will be eaten in time.
Now, Rabbits 4 and 5, while both being fast rabbits, Rabbit 5 is the better of the two. Why? Because he's not held back by unnecessary spite, grudge, anger or hatred, all of which cloud judgement, exert energy and ultimately show an investment in the wolf, as is the case with Rabbit 4.
While both may fair well against the wolves, across the long-term, Rabbit 5 will grow faster quicker and is ultimately the better of the two.
The climate and the wolves will not change through anger held towards them. Period. It won't magically change the world by being angry about it.
As such, anger is wasted effort and energy. It holds you back.
And that's just it. Our social "climate" is fucked. It caters to wolves. But again, there's no way that anger will ever bring about the change you hope to see.
Why? What will change? At the end of the day, they'll still do those shitty things regardless. And, should that anger seep out, you'll be ostracized for said hatred, no matter how justified it may be.
PissedPajamas 10y ago
This is why men stuck in the anger phase are portrayed by the media as crybabies. Look on any social network and you'll find these men get ridiculed and ostracized for their childish behavior all the time.
Sexual dynamics is a balance and society will always tip it in favor of women, our job isn't to point this out and whine about it, it's to save ourselves and tip the scale in our favor the most we can, all the while being subtle and pretending that everything just "fell into place" in your life which is why you enjoy several women, or them making all the way to your bed "just happened" out of sheer luck because the stars and heavens allowed it.
OmLaLa 10y ago
They're unfortunately portrayed as "crybabies" because the very nature of complaint is a form of inaction.
By societal standards, we have two options: adapt or accept.
The Beta accepts. He plays his role, no matter how society sways, even if society bends in a way that makes it easier for women to benefit from him.
The Alpha adapts, changing himself to best benefit from the ever changing societal environment.
Those in the anger phase, however are somewhere in between at an impossible point: change. He wants society to sway for him and is upset that constantly shows favoritism for his sister over him.
Now I'm not criticizing those at this point. Trust me, I've been there. All I hope is that during some point in all these comments, a few anger phased Alphas can see past their frustrations.
PissedPajamas 10y ago
I agree for the most part, but the anger phase is the result of not coping with reality. My reaction as a blue puller, when I got fucked over and introduced to the red pill, was to realize that the world didn't work the way I thought it did, but I knew it wouldn't change for me or anyone else.
Those in the anger phase want the world to change, and those that don't see it changing to their favor react very violently. This is why I have a theory that those involved in The Beta Uprising understood the balance between the sexes, but they either couldn't accept it or they didn't know how to play the game properly.
renzy77 10y ago
Don't hate liars for telling lies.
Don't hate cheaters for cheating.
Date hate rapists for raping.
Don't hate murderers for the murdering.
Guess what, lying and cheating and stealing and committing act of violence are part of people's biological make-up too. People have "always been that way. Such is their nature." In fact, it's so common societies came up with laws on how to dole out punishments for these behaviors.
Does that mean people shouldn't be angry when people lie to them, cheat them, steal their shit and commit acts of violence?
When people get angry because they're the victim of lying, cheating, stealing or having their loved ones murdered, it's not because they don't understand human nature.
We understand that these are facets of human nature and expect people to restrain their base impulses and not act like animals, or face repercussions (both legally and culturally) if they choose not to do so.
OmLaLa 10y ago
Lying, murder and stealing are consciously chosen decisions. Hypergamy and branch swinging are not. They are, quite literally, what women are.
Anger over the expectation for or hope that women will biologically change to better suit our notion of the moral high ground, as is the case with murder, is unrealistic, especially considering the current feminine social climate.
And to be quite honest, the immorality of stealing and murder are societally driven, not biologically.
Remove the consequences of theft, give an impoverish countrys people lockpicks and see where that country stands on theft.
0xdada 10y ago
That's the essence. The fundamental misunderstanding men have is the belief that women always choose to hurt them. It's our own bias, based on our own masculine level of self awareness that we can't comprehend women lacking. The stoic perspective would be that it is we who choose to be hurt.
TRP really is the Red Pill in that when you are able to step back and see them as they are, walking around in a bubble of hypergamous urge, you are outside a perceptual boundary most people don't even know exists.
They barely choose. Their experience is mediated by the (to us) distorted lens the bubble surrounds them with. Personally, I've learned treat all women as if they are high on acid, and it's improved my relationships with them tremendously. You can't wreck their trip because they become dangerous to themselves and others, but you can't expect them to experience reality as you experience it either.
If you want to know what the future looks like, to borrow from G.O., imagine a girl walking through crowd on a busy street, making pouty faces into her phone, taking a selfie, forever.