Big fan of this guy.
If the man wants to post it himself, I will delete this, but new essays by him are essentially news.
"As feminists have shrewdly pointed out, many modern men have a particularly fragile sense of their own value as men. They have little experience overcoming fear, no reputation for demonstrating courage, and no sense of belonging within a group of other men. These men are aware of this either consciously or subconsciously, and it makes them anxious. This anxiousness about their own manhood makes them easy to manipulate with made-up phobias and groundless goads like “you’re just afraid of a strong woman.”
http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2015/11/all-they-have-is-fear/
[deleted] 10y ago
I don't know what to say other than this is one of the best things I've read in a very long time.
LukeMcFuckStick 10y ago
"These people have been protected all of their lives. They are the meek who have inherited the earth, and like all spoiled brats they have no experiential understanding of what it took to create their world or what is required to maintain it. Like an heiress who doesn’t care where the money comes from as long as she gets to keep spending it, they have no practical understanding of violence or its role in maintaining their safety."
This is a thought I've been having recently in light of all that is happening. I'm amazed at how little knowledge others have of history and the type acts that were required to build what we have now. God forbid we are mean and hurt people feelies.
raka_defocus 10y ago
Me too, they put my grandparents generation in prison camps because they thought all Japanese were religious fanatics who were only loyal to the emperor of japan. Families like mine had actually had their wealth confiscated in the late 1800s and didn't care for the Japanese govt at all. When given the chance to prove it my grandfather and the rest of the 442nd went to Europe and walked out as one the most highly decorated units in WWII.
I'm guessing the Syrian guy who's kids were killed by isis or al qaeda,or who lost their home and business are probably ready to kick someone's ass .
HeatseekingLogicBomb 10y ago
What? Typical blowback from radical extremist groups, that come from countries that can't even invade Israel (let alone other Western nations) and would be torn apart in mere days if they tried?
The West enjoys a certain level of comfort from it's military enterprising. It's mostly a consolidation of wealth and economic power, really comes at the cost of other nations. Is it sustainable? We'll see. Is it ethical? No. My feelings? Do I really need feelz or rational thinking to see the wars are a joke? Solipsism or rationality, which one do you think people prey on to galvanize populaces for military conflict?
Not trying to start a fight or take this off-topic from what TRP is about, so this post is all I will make; I agree with your point about how things have come to be and that people need to have more appreciation of history, but war is a racket.
GnonSequitur 10y ago
Well that's just, like, your opinion man.
Smedley Butler was the man, and war is a racket. Please note that I agree with your world view, but not the values that you are using to form your judgment.
Basically all the illustrious LukeMcFuckStick was saying (regardless of his full opinion) was that violence is a condition of life.
He didn't say anything about war. It might seem like I'm splitting hairs here, but I'm not. His words represent the masculine world view. You don't need to support modern mercenary wars (which he said nothing about) to agree with him.
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[deleted] 10y ago
Yeah that's the thing I hate about humans, not just women, they think this trash just magically disappears when you give it to the garbage collector. We really need to sort this shit out before we poison the world too much.
always-be-closing 10y ago
The problem always corrects itself.
It's the children born from 1980 to about 1999, who developed as children and young adults before 9/11, but after the fall of the Soviet Union (with allowances for varying maturity and awareness of the world around them), who are the most opposed to war, the most opposed to defense spending, the most opposed to martial values reflected in foreign policy.
For them, the normal condition of the world is peace and plenty and the policies of the distant, unremembered past, are policies of war, and the policies of the intrusive, uncomfortable now are policies of war.
They do not understand that the Pax Americana of seven decades was wrought by firebombing Dresden and Tokyo, by girding the loins of the Atlantic and Pacific with silent vessels filled full with nuclear arrows.
And so they have contributed to the effeteness that means ISIS cannot be defeated abroad, nor at home.
The anti-vaccination people?
Generations removed from the nightmarish realities of smallpox, polio, influenzas that ravage and brutalize the bodies of all they touch, man, woman, and child, disfiguring and killing them in droves.
Generations removed from the firsthand experience of wonder that man had tamed these scourges and hardened his own body through sheer intellect, they reject vaccination, and reintroduce plague.
When the walls come down, then they will look to the builders.
When the invaders come, then they will look to the soldiers.
When the lights go out, then they will look to the thinkers.
Not before.
pantsoffire 10y ago
Brilliant post. I'm going to look thru your others. I keep on thinking of Martin Niemoller's poem about Nazism. I'm not comparing Men's Rights to anything as extreme as Nazism, I do wonder at what point mainstream society is going to say "Enough." to modern feminism and PC gone mad. We now have Charity Fatigue perhaps soon we will have 3rd Wave Feminism Fatigue?
T0000009 10y ago
THIS!!!!!
The current general populace has grown up with every kind of trinket, and fancy toy to make life easy and painless. Real hard work, sacrifice, hunger, danger, and all the rest as totally unknown and unspoken of except for a very small minority. Any mention of those harsh truths and the long knives come out to silence you.
The_fox_in_lion_skin 10y ago
Necessity rules everything, you don't realize you need it until the table has turned
scissor_me_timbers00 10y ago
Totally agree. I was born in 1989, so right in the thick of the millenial generation and let me tell you, it bugs the fuck out of me to watch the idiotic ideas of my candy ass generation. There's definitely a correction tho. TRP is a perfect example.
Also laughing at Obama's cumbaya everyone-work-together foreign policy framework. Fucking liberal progressives, thinking they're going to establish some one world utopian order. What happens? Wherever the US withdraws its dominance, a power vacuum opens up, shit destabilizes, and we find ourselves in a powerless position. Rather than this friendly little community their fee-fee's tell them should happen. Teddy "bull moose" Roosevelt was spot on when he said "speak softly but carry a big stick" regarding foreign policy.
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always-be-closing 10y ago
^ this guy is correct, and I've commingled disease etiologies and how humanity beat them carelessly in my post.
BradPill 10y ago
It doesn't help history isn't taught anymore in high-school: either it is revisionist or very limited and biased.
And when it comes to wars, Korea more or less was the last conventional war. Vietnam was a strategic failure and PR-disaster, Iraq and Afgh. not much better - leaving regions in turmoil. So, several generations now haven't seen many positive results after all those sacrifices... Yet, they see the budgets and all the deficits and (social) shortcomings in Western countries...
Vaccinations should be mandatory - no parent has the right to keep its child from life-saving medicine and potentially risking other lives (via infections), becoming a liability to the community as such. In their yes, god enabled vaccines and medical progress - so why shouldn't it be used then?
Seishuu 10y ago
You seem largely misinformed. There's absolutely no historical evidence to support that bombing Dresden till the place was just a bunch of ruins or that the atomic bombs over Japan were worth it in terms of bringing the war closer to a term. It was largely just useless massacre caused by the poor judgement of an easily manipulated president.
Besides, your post reflects a fallacy I see quite a bit in politics, it's that because national defense is important, we can't contest defense spending even when it gets completely fucking out of control. Or simply that because we want a strong army, we have to agree with everything homeland security wants to do. That's just nonsense. You can be in favor of a strong military but opposed to having troops in the middle of fucking Irak.
[deleted] 10y ago
Eh, you make one too many assumptions, Pax Americana has never been a thing since America has been in a war at least once every decade since.
ISIS itself won't be stopped for a number of reasons, the main one is that we aren't really trying because we don't care, in the grand scheme of things they're fairly insignificant to the global power plays going on, rather they're useful both as a tool of demagogic propaganda and economic power as waging a never ending war on them fuels our economy through arms companies. Furthermore while under ISIS they're no longer a part of the Russian or Chinese spheres of influence. With the bombings, they're actually not effective at all, we kill far more civilians with air strikes than we do terrorists, at the most outrageous estimates of the size of ISIS they are a 100,000 man army, considering that the population of Syria and Iran are approximately 56 million, cutting that down in half would still imply that ISIS are less than 1% of the population, rather the point of them, as I said before is to make money.
Whether or not we would succeed if we tried to stop ISIS is an interesting case, it would come down to whether or not we were going to give the people in affected countries the same levels of freedom we enjoy, since just trying to oppress them with sheer force feeds their ideology.
With vaccination I completely agree, it's worse when you realise these people have a vote.
always-be-closing 10y ago
I should clarify:
The American Peace is one secured for Americans, Europeans, and Southeast Asia.
I wouldn't ever claim it's been for Middle Easterners, South Asians, or Africans.
Post WW2 for a large part of the world, and post USSR breakup for much else of it, war simply hasn't happened.
The defense budgets of our NATO partners, for instance, is entirely a product of complacency - just as much as the lackadaisical to suspicious nature of some Americans towards vaccines.
[deleted] 10y ago
dude what the fuck? Yes im born in 92 and im anti war, anti state and anti gov. How the fuck can anyone sane after 911 say war is a solution? Afghanistan, iraq, arab spring - all as big fuck-ups as a fuck-up can get.
[deleted] 10y ago
Actually those were all major successes from our POV as a country, all the oil we got stemmed the rising prices from storage that was beginning to ruin our economy, so now we got cheap oil, a patched up economy and the oil we're sitting on for when it starts to run out.
But consider the following, if 911 really makes you think not to fight war, then isn't war effective as a solution to problems they've used war to convince you not to fight for your ideals?
War is a solution, because in this world you need power to back your ideals, stemming from spears and stones to jet fighters and bombers.
The only argument is to whether or not your ideals are worth fighting for. Personally slaughtering civilians to steal resources without any real purpose leaves a bad taste in the mouth, I'd rather have the colonialism that enslaved my ancestors but advanced their countries and humanity.
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cashmoney_x 10y ago
All this post is is you trying to differentiate yourself/prop yourself up. Yes, you're an intellectual giant. There there.
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dharma-body 10y ago
I've never thought about this at all, I was born in the early 90's but that thought that peace was the norm for me hadn't really sunk in before. I guess from my relatively uneducated point of view, the way a lot of people my age (at least the people I associate with) see a lot of the wars that have gone on in the last 30 or 40 years, is that they're actually more about resources and not conflicting ideologies.
I do understand that a lot of global conflicts have shaped the world as it is now but at the same time I think it's something that just has massive potential to hold us back as a species. I don't see how any wars are going to get us any further except for maybe levelling old cities that had historical value but were just poorly designed. Something like that I guess has its uses but comes at a pretty high cost.
[deleted] 10y ago
The United States has been at war since you were a young child. Granted its not the Vietnam War, or the Korean War, or World War 2, or World War 1. But most of your life the state of the United States has been war.
Globally war is becoming less and less of a thing. It was a far bigger issue with every single generation of humanity. War does not make people prosper. Societies become bankrupted by war, not wealthy from it.
always-be-closing 10y ago
When wars are about 'resources', they're still about ideology, namely, how and to whom those resources should be allocated based on benefit, deservingness, etc. all of which are determined on ideological grounds.
Then again, there's plenty of reason to suspect ideological grounds are also often enough constructed ex post facto some severe shortage of resources.
I'm not saying really, that a RP person should be pro war - if anything, they should be against anything barring great necessity that does not directly serve them as an individual, and that's a very small portion of men directly served by wars of choice....
...but I am saying that dogmatic, poorly reasoned, and thoughtless opposition to war and martial preparation is a condition of generational softness because of how safe and secured that generation was made.
dharma-body 10y ago
That I agree with and even though it may be a result of my conditioning within that generation but I still think that war should be the last option considered. But yeah again, I've never really had that thought occur to me, I was born in peacetime, the full implications of that have to really sink in still.
remyseven 10y ago
I'm opposed to war and was born before 1980. War is a shitstorm. It completely obliterates lives, the landscape, and your sanity. While war may be inevitable with humanity, it is not something to look forward to.
always-be-closing 10y ago
As a rational position you arrived at through observation and emotional reaction to the world around you, I agree you and plenty others are anti-war.
As a dogmatic virtue/in-group-signalling ideological meme? In that sense, you are not anti-war and anti-military and anti-US hegemony in the way almost an entire younger generation is.
HumanSockPuppet 10y ago
I don't think that's what he meant.
I believe he is referring to the nouveau generation who outright refuse to acknowledge that war is sometimes a necessary means of resolving conflict.
Most problems can be talked through, and I as much as anyone else would prefer to avoid wars - they're expensive, dangerous, and their outcomes are usually uncertain.
But when the conflict at hand is one over a limited resource then war is usually the only way to settle the matter.
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Industrialized war reduced the benefits to almost zero. Industrialized war requires targeting women and even children. There is nothing to gain from it for anybody involved and that's why industrialized economies haven't been at war with each other since they experienced the full scale in WWII.
Still war is our destiny, but it our greatest goal should be to postpone it as long as possible.
Why would a young man today go to war and suffer and die to defend a society that hates him and wishes him dead? To be treated as garbage and enslaved if he comes back victorious? Men who have common sense won't serve this kind of society and men who don't are too dumb to be of use in modern economy and warfare. Only a great desire for adventure would make an intelligent man seek war.
Humanity has reached a point where there's only one limited resource and that is women. Nobody has to make war for food or water.
War has always been and still is about groups of men (tribes, cities, nations, cultures) defending their women. Western women no longer belong to western men, they are free. Western men of suitable age for war don't own property and have no hopes for property less they sell their souls for a lifetime of indebtedness to a bank. They have nothing to defend and nothing to gain by the continuation of western society. Luxuries aren't reason enough to go to war.
After WWII, the struggle between cultures moved from hot to cold, with US-Soviet spy operations and culture war. Both sides lost as their cultures merged and the conflict fizzled out when time proved that it was impossible for any side to win that stale-mate.
In the near future all open societies will see a great transfer of wealth as men seek loyal wives from more conservative and poor regions. Societies I consider open are: North and South America, Europe, Africa, Australia/NZ, South East Asia. Russia and maybe the rest of the Slavic sphere will not allow more than marginal transfer of their women. They still have the power to infiltrate western society to put a stop to it. Wealth among the general population will be equalized in open societies because of women.
Islam does not compromise with other cultures, which would be fine since it is a powerful religion that is open to all people. The great weakness in Islam is the Arabic supremacy, which taints the religion as Arabs are universally hated. The future will tell if another people can come to be the dominant force within Islam or if it is too closely tied to the Arabs. Middle-eastern culture is a culture of conflict, as it was one of the birth points of civilization and had become fully saturated in people. Only modern global oversupply of food and the recent discovery of oil has changed that, but the culture is still founded in a scarcity mentality, thus the mode of operation is constant conflict and alliance-making. Limitless loyalty to your allies and limitless betrayal and abuse of those who are not your allies is the core of Middle Eastern cultures. The merciful will not stand a chance.
Scandinavia is another example of a scarcity culture, due to climate rather than population saturation. This region has faster than anywhere gone from scarcity to abundance and the culture is the canary in the coal mine when it comes to industrialized nations. The options could be varying. A 21st center holocaust is still not impossible, depending on attitudes of surrounding powers. A merging of Scandinavian and Middle Eastern cultures would make a Nordic caliphate the most powerful force in Islam. Middle Eastern culture can never push out the Scandinavian culture since a day/night culture is maladapted to a winter/summer environment. Another option is Slavic supremacy over Scandinavia. These cultures are already close to each other, but Slavic culture is en weaker when it comes to fertility. American / Western European supremacy in Scandinavia is unlikely, declining cultures don't expand and there is nothing more to introduce to Scandinavia from these cultures.
An aggressive culture that is reemerging after having been hidden in the shadows for hundreds of years is the Aztec culture. The cartels show the absolute ruthlessness of this culture, and it will definitely become much stronger on the American continent in the future.
Humanity is on an irreversible path to the merging of all cultures. Effective and fast transportation techniques have made this a fact. The only question is how it will come about. This comment turned into an essay, but war is a complex issue.
scissor_me_timbers00 10y ago
Heraclitus: War is the mother of all things.
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The cultures are being forced to be merged. That causes conflict and chaos. People will cry out for order. Cue the Anti-Christ.
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It's an irreversible trend that doesn't really depend much on the agendas of the elite. The combustion engine has made worldwide transportation of people and goods cheap and effective. Other developments have crushed old power structures in most of the world, making people realize we're not so different as we thought. Post-modern Western society has seen an extreme push of people out of the middle class into rich or debtors. The middle class is not going to exist for long as the matured economy increasingly will consist of people paying or collecting debt. This is possible because living standards have increased so greatly for the debtor class.
This is of course the economic reality of a feminized society, where there is no gradient, you're either alpha or beta, winner or loser. A society like that won't survive. What sane person would accept being treated as a worthless piece of shit in one location, a cheap plane ticket away he's treated like a decent person, another cheap plane ticket and he's treated as royalty? This is 80%-90% of young men in Western society, will they support isolation to remain in their bottom position?
Isolationist cultures do not matter since they are dying due to infertility. China is the counter-example and it will be very interesting to see what happens there in the near future.
Conflict and chaos is preferred by men if their other option is slavery and being dogs. The phrase "nothing to lose" lies within the hearts of men.
peterforallmankind 10y ago
Agreed war is not to be looked forward to, but war is the natural state of man. Our hands are designed to punch, men's skulls are thicker in the front to better absorb a punch. Chimp tribes and monkey tribes hunt each other and make war. Our formation of the state is to make war and for mutual defense.
One can hate it, but you cannot chose to ignore it.
remyseven 10y ago
I wouldn't call it a natural state. Maybe this is a matter of semantics, but true actual war is not natural at all. Fighting for your food is natural. Fighting for your girl is natural, but actual war is not.
A rhino looks adapted for war, but it doesn't war. Our hands aren't adapted for punches. Too many small and frail bones that break easily. Hands are clearly adapted for grasping and manipulating. Heads are clearly adapted for protecting the most valuable organ in the body - the brain.
True war sucks balls. The older you get, the more you realize that. You get invested in your surroundings. You have a family, a home, property, and war uproots all of that. You want to stay sedentary for as long as possible. It sends your boy off to die. And if you're losing the war, you lose everything.
War on today's scale is only necessary because we're overpopulated. It's that simple. Species that are fewer actually band together to survive, because there is strength in numbers. We've gotten to the point where we have too many numbers.
[deleted] 10y ago
I suggest you take a good look into the matter if we're really overpopulated. It's been touted by our rulers for as long as I can remember, but I've honestly not seen any evidence except opinions. I'm not telling you what to think, but you seem like a smart guy, have you really questioned the idea that we're in overpopulation?
remyseven 10y ago
I've been looking for a while. When populations spike and continue to spike since the birth of Christ, with no downturn, you're in for a wild ride.
As an apex predator your numbers are supposed to be less, not in the 7 billion range. All species in nature have their populations go up and down... ours hasn't gone down in a long, long time. Buckle up.
[deleted] 10y ago
The population was actually very stable up until he Industrial revolution. 1 out of 13 humans that has ever lived is currently alive today. Humans don't really bother with the predator mechanism for cultivating food because we just grow it ourselves. The amount of labor required to develop a ton of food now is far less than it was in previous generations. The amount of food we are able to get off an acre is orders of magnitude greater than previous generations.
Technology is what enables humans. Technology isn't moving backwards.
remyseven 10y ago
I agree with you on several points. However, the population hasn't been stable, it's been on an upward spike since about the birth of Christ. My point behind us being apex predators is that "naturally" we are supposed to be foragers but have adopted sedentary lifestyles which requires farming of basically everything to sustain us. This means an abundance of food, which allows us to breed more, which proves my point.
I get the technology thing, but to keep up with our scale of population increase technology has to start putting out more, and it won't and can't keep up. We'll outrace it. At some point, the population spike has to end, you can't keep this rate of growth up.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
I saw this referenced on another manosphere site as well.
The Blue Pill deception we deal with always begins with the reptilian brain.
Problem --> Reaction --> Solution
The goal in every deception is to begin by throwing the target off balance with a "shocking problem" that must be addressed. The reaction then becomes "controlled" because everyone reacts in similiar ways to things that trigger reptilian emotions like fear. Finally the solution is presented as a suggestion that the target is so destabilized to accept. The solution is integrated unconsciously by the target.
Women are really, really good at:
Drama --> Blame --> Complexity
...so women love drama because it opens doors for blame and then they hide their dirty deed by covering it over with complex explanations.
Red Pill needs more research into this whole deception issue.
All deception begins by activating the reptilian brain of the target victim. (in this case men)
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LukeMcFuckStick 10y ago
this is why I come to trp. Not to read about what some fuck said on another sub.
[deleted] 10y ago
This is how the Elite ushers in new "Laws". They create the fear (9/11) and propose a "solution" (no privacy). Once the fear is removed (never existed) the new Laws stay there. Over time you have 1984 and wake up in a prison from birth till death.
No to Slavery. Release Gov. Hidden Technology. Live Freely.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Waking up from this is harder than you think.
If 911 was the only "false flag" operation we might eventually calm down and realize we were fooled, but new human sacrifices are being offered all the time.
ISIS was created by the West to destroy the middle east.
...so the creation of new "problems" keeps the whole thing moving.
Until large numbers of people wake up the deception continues.
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[deleted] 10y ago
The funny thing about clinical phobias is that they're used to describe irrational fears, but progressives have hijacked the term to describe opinions. The not politically correct kind.
[deleted] 10y ago
Are you saying that xenophobia is a rational fear?
a233424 10y ago
He probably means that simply disagreeing or questionning contemporary multiculturalism or even just being against open boarders doesn't make you fearful or hateful of anyone. You can be both, but the first doesn't mean the later.
sorceryofthetesticle 10y ago
It is rational to be skeptical of outsiders. Do they share the values that your group does? What are their intentions? Can you trust them to behave consistently? Outsiders, just like youth from the in-group have to pass the tests. The term you used, xenophobia, is applied to natural skepticism to make it seem unreasonable. That's bullshit.
[deleted] 10y ago
Really? This is exactly why this is considered racism. I'm sure you're not skeptical of insiders.
Have you ever considered the idea that their values might be right values and your values might be the wrong values? Probably not.
The mathematical probability of outsiders having evil intentions is LESS than that of insiders. Why do outsiders have the moral obligation to be "good", when insiders don't have any such obligation.
Can you trust insiders to behave consistently?
I'm a non-white male from other side of the planet, who proudly doesn't share some of the western values. Just like you, I'm here to discover the hypergamous nature of women, and how women find beta men cringeworthy. My question is this for you. Am I unwelcome on this subreddit?
BarrytheBacon 10y ago
What are you on about Officer PC? Be quiet and listen to what the older members have to say and stop spouting things that most likely apply to your "far east lands". We are here to learn, not bicker about percieved slights by other users.
Demonspawn 10y ago
Who gives a fuck?
Who gives a fuck? They're our values. Right or wrong, they're ours.
Either they'll work and we'll succeed or they won't and we'll change and/or fail.
Based on what flawed logic?
Because they're coming onto my nation.
They do have that obligation, based on the assumption of shared values.
When the insiders have shared values, yes. Under our multicultural self-destruction, not so much.
Then why would you want to come to the west?
You are, your PC butthurt is not.
Dronelisk 10y ago
In economics there is the concept of vertical and horizontal equity
Horizontal: equal for equals
Vertical: different for differents.
A person who earns the same income as another person will be taxed with the exact same rate as the other person
A person who earns much more than another will get a much higher tax rate, to compensate.
Vertical equity is very "commie" as in it penalises success and high earnings.
If you apply the same concept to race and entry, it's racist. While race traits are hard to quantify, it's taboo to even suggest different treatment for different people, no matter the circumstances (how close their culture is, past events, etc..)
What many progressives and liberals want, in both economics and immigration is absolute equality.
Absolute equality is one of the most destructive, immature and inconvenient systems ever invented.
Absolute equality means equal for equals, equal for differents, or even abolish the differences altogether (that's more progressive than liberal, progressives are the ones trying to abolish differences)
Even suggesting this system is considered racism.
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Do they consider it? Of course. Just like us. And they reject it, just as we do, for their reasons. Any society that decides its values aren't the "right" ones is doomed, at least, to a cultural death.
Who gives a fuck about the mathematical probability? It's human nature to trust your family, friends, and those within your community before trusting an unknown outsider. This is an instinctual response, and all of the bullshit appeals to logic aren't going to change it.
studiov34 10y ago
Get the fuck out of here with your egghead statistics. FOREIGNERS ARE SCARY!
Diarrhea_Van_Frank 10y ago
Xenophobia isn't even a real phobia. It's a word people use to make the rational seem like they're afraid of something they're rightly skeptical about.
[deleted] 10y ago
Why are you not skeptical about the insiders?
Diarrhea_Van_Frank 10y ago
I didn't say anything at all about myself in that post. Your own weakness caused you to read your own insecurities into two sentences explaining a misnomer.
I'm skeptical of the insiders. As skeptical as anyone else, anyway. Why are you more skeptical of the insiders, whom you deal with every day and whose habits and patterns you are familiar with, than you are of strangers from a strange land bringing a strange culture which is completely foreign to the way you operate your day to day life? If that doesn't make you want to at least get the rundown and make sure everything's cool first, you're simply focused on the wrong thing and deliberately ignoring your self preservation instinct.
There is no incentive for me to be open minded to people who have a track record of wanting to kill people just like me. It's purely moral posturing.
awalt_cupcake 10y ago
Let's not dwell too much on the fear aspect. Although it is true, I see it as a by-product. I was fearful in my behaviors because I didn't know what it was to be a man. I was just being me. But with TRP and Jack Donovan's book "The Way of Man" I embrace my masculine traits and it helps me over come a lot of shit.
For instance I'd tell myself "Ah shit. I have to take the time to fix this. But taking the time to solve a problem that no one else will is a very masculine thing."
Or in my approaches, I may hesitate but then I tell myself "risking to look like a dumbass and just making things happen is a very masculine thing."
Having a healthy framework for a masculine identity that I can fall back on has also opened my eyes to the fact that there wasn't much wrong with me at all. Sure there were beta traits, but hardly anyone was born alpha. Men make themselves alpha. I was insecure because I was always told there was something wrong with me. I'm a pervert for talking sexually about women or wanting sex. I'm a coward for not wanting a strong woman. A real man knows how to work on cars. Society sells us what a man is supposed to be but it's everywhere and unorganized. And I was spoon fed only some men deserve the life surrounded by beautiful woman, a healthy social life, making bank, etc. and it definitely wasn't me. So what the hell was I supposed to be?
I was unsure. I was without a foundation. Desperately looking for answers in the external world. Thirsty and crawling across the desert of society looking for water with vultures looking over me waiting for me to die to pick at my corpse and tell me I'm less of a man.
ChadThundercockII 10y ago
My fellow brothers are suffering from Paralysis by Analysis. We have too much information on our hands, coming from all sorts of sources excepts those that matter (Family, Friends).
This is basically what Huxley feared would happen in Brave New World.
awalt_cupcake 10y ago
Even family and friends can be a poor source. In a family that has de-masculinized men and unknowingly encourage the Women Are Wonderful Effect, the young boys shouldn't rely on family. I've all but cut ties with a few. Finally, friends can be poison if a young man doesn't set boundaries for the way he is treated. Coming from a perspective of "I'm good to you, be good to me" this makes you most liked but completely alone in your ambitions. And when you do pursue those ambitions, you get mocked, zero support, etc. Those friends were useless. They were filler.
ChadThundercockII 10y ago
This exactly why I am on the look out for new friends. Guys who have balls, who have some masculinity left in them.
IamGale 10y ago
I agree with you dude. It's about selecting your friends. I've just started reading the Power Broker, the biography of Robert Moses. He's the guy who basically built New York and amassed so power he could build anything he wanted for 20 odd years.
One thing they write about him is that he never joined highly-esteemed societies at Yale. Instead he joined lower level societies, but became leaders in them. So he could of been another follower in a the higher level societies he decided to put himself in a position where he could be a leader. In short, he selected all his friends and kept them incredibly wealthy.
These are of the types of pursuits I'm looking for. I don't know about you but I'm busy lifting, growing my business, and writing. Memento Mori.
ChadThundercockII 10y ago
That is what I'm striving towards too. Memento Mori, my friend.
ChairBorneMGTOW 10y ago
Absolutely spot on. I've always taken Greene's "laws of power" with a grain of salt. That whole Law 38, "think as you like but behave as others" is the weakest of the lot in my opinion.
Even with my real identity, I am vocal with friends (both in person and online) in my disdain for feminism, Islam and leftism.
Ever since I shed guilt completely (it's now a foreign emotion to me, one I used to be ruled by) and abandoned fear of rebuke from my peers, I'm much, much happier.
I'll never be able to run for political office based off what I've said online. So be it. Don't care to be an ass-licking politician anyways. My job is secure, and even if I lost it - I wouldn't need to work ever again if I chose to live frugally.
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I'm not sure where you work now, but in most careers you wouldnt want to be labled as the dude who is outspoken against islam, leftism, and feminism. Its better just to keep that to yourself
Ronin11A 10y ago
One could make the argument it's a "newbie" or "monk mode" law. Basically, when you recognize the time and place to break it, then as a rule it no longer applies. The student has become the master, so to speak.
LazyMagus 10y ago
Well said. The masters will know when to open their mouths. The newbies need to keep theirs shut until they ingrain the concepts properly.
IamGale 10y ago
Mmm, this is really interesting. Yea I thought law 38 was weird. It's just so hard to hide yourself like that and at the end of it you're just disgusted with yourself for pretending to be what you hate.
But I find you shedding the emotion of guilt to be more interesting. How does that work for you? Maybe I'm knit picking but don't you feel guilty if you don't clean up after yourself, forget to go to the gym, or knock someone over when playing sports?
I'm asking because I'm definitely ruled by guilt to some extent. Though, it's an interesting thought experiment to act without guilt. I would take a guess that you the guilt you are referring to applies to breaking quasi-social norms like approaching girls, self-promoting, and insulting people. But also more personal stuff, like things you see in No More Mr. Nice Guy, about just putting yourself first and not feeling guilty about ignoring your girlfriend.
See the things I feel guilty about are about monopolizing the conversation at dinner. About being the centre of attention. About saying something dumb. I would feel guilty about bothering people and asking people to do things for me (which is why I don't do it often). I would feel guilty about asking people to like my business facebook page. I don't know if this is/was similar to you.
Again, there is a strategy to this. Taking other's people feelings into considering and playing their to their fantasies and weakness, making them feel comfortable all helps with rapport. I guess what I truly feel guilty about is making people uncomfortable (I know very blue pill).
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ChairBorneMGTOW 10y ago
You stop paying attention to it when you feel it. You act according to your own interest.
If you rely on internal guilt as a motivator to pursue your goals, then I don't know what to tell you... Never relied on that form of motivation myself personally.
Bump into somebody, push them over? Help them up. Unless you did it intentionally, there's no reason to feel guilty. Earn more money than than homeless bum? How unfortunate for him, but ignore any sense of guilt at your own success.
Keep ignoring guilt, act as you would have otherwise (takes a rational introspection, e.g. asking yourself what's the most advantageous course of action for me) and eventually, you'll feel it less and less.
IamGale 10y ago
I never quite contemplated the influence of guilt on myself. I appreciate your comments.
RedPillDad 10y ago
Great article from Jack. I'm intrigued by his comment about women expressing empathy out of moral signalling, while men do it out of fear. Smug women try to position themselves higher through faux morality. Other women see through their shit, but most men, untrained in the Laws of Power, don't.
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Diarrhea_Van_Frank 10y ago
I think Law 38, like the rest of them, is about time and place. There are times and places where it's simply not advantageous to voice your true opinion. None of the 48 laws should really need to be applied 100% of the time. Some even contradict one another. But another point he mentions is that pretending to care about things you don't give a shit about is Patrick Bateman style psychopath behavior. 48 Laws of Power is essentially a manual for how to be Patrick Bateman. It still holds for those seeking power, but not all of it should be followed to the letter for those seeking to be true.
aazav 10y ago
They have fear of reaching their expiration date and being old, fat and undesirable.
Women want to be wanted, so when they aren't, their hamster flips off the wheel and we get this bullshit flavor of feminism we have today and this "female concerns first above
whatthat reality dictates" crap.a_chill_bro 10y ago
I've never heard of this guy before. I can tell I'm really going to enjoy reading his stuff. Thanks for sharing this.
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So we're racist and xenophobic deep down inside but it's fear of reprisal that keeps it all under wraps? Sounds like a new twist on Freud.
Act racist and xenophobic? See! We knew it all along!
Don't act racist and xenophobic? You're being suppressed by modernity bro!
The author is confirming the bat-shit insanity that social justice warriors insist upon: that all men are racist, xenophobic, violent, monsters. He's just adding a twist that we all suppress it because we're afraid of being outcast and/or punished.
Some of what he wrote I agree with, but this bit about us all being racist and xenophobic is fucking stupid. Or it's true but it's as true for every human as it is for men - which means it's a pointless point to make in this context.
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He's not saying that we are those things, its that those words are inaccurately used. By the left's standards if you even wonder if letting in 100,000 people from a part of the world with a culture hostile to ours is a good idea, you are a xenophobic racist. Having some sense or wanting to think critically is -ist or -phobic.
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You are using the OPs circular logic - which is specifically what I am criticizing. There is no way out of his line of argument because if you deny its truth "you're afraid, bro" and if you agree, well, you agree.
Freud did the same thing. Deny you're a perverted asshole = "you're repressed, bro". Act like a perverted asshole = "see, told you so."
His points about witch hunts and career destruction for expressing antipathy towards strangers ... okay, cool, that resonated with me. I can see something there. His intellectual accuracy with one thing does not extend far enough to justify believing this hypothetical universal Afraid vs. Truly Racist logic loop.
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BlueFreedom420 10y ago
And if a man displays any aggression it is quickly filtered through the big government "justice" and mental health systems.
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IllimitableMan 10y ago
I think joining a martial arts gym and bonding with the guys there through fighting will solve all of this. If not sufficient, supplement with a sport.
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maiway 10y ago
This bears repeating.
Homophobia is the one I am particularly interested in. There are some good reasons to be homophobic, there are some good reasons to be homophiliac. I meet men with both beliefs - not pretending or afraid - genuinely held beliefs . . . but it's never well reasoned. It always comes down to believing some shit they were taught as they were growing up, or believing some other shit they learned on TV or social media. I'm sure some minority of men pretend to have different opinions based on fear, and mostly their opinions are based on shit, but men have genuinely held opinions on both sides of the issue.
MortalSisyphus 10y ago
It's not about HIS opinion, it is about your opinion of yourself. For most people, being pressured into giving lip service to something you disagree with dilutes self respect.