TLDR: When a woman is logged into a dating site, chances are she's ovulating and no matter what she says to other people, she can't actually help herself because she is a temporary sex-retard. If shirtless selfies didn't work, nobody would have them.
Disclosure: I don't have a shirtless selfie yet because I need 10lbs more of lean gains before I wouldn't be embarrassed to see it doxed. If you wondered what makes guys use them, this is how the thinking goes.
Reading dating profiles of chicks, lots of them say, "and pls no shirtless selfie profile photos." I've been out with a few groups where a bunch of post-wall women are going on about how "gross" they are, and how they would never go out with a guy who had one. Except when they do.
For those few days each month between periods, her body is craving AF and if she is both marginally attractive and doesn't have a social anxiety disorder, she will be all over tinder and pof looking to get stuffed. This is when she (e.g. like most women) is online.
The rest of the month, sure, she's looking for BB and some quirky funny guy she can show off to her friends, but she's a lot less likely to be cruising for anonymous internet sex on those days because she is probably still too busy picking up the pieces, destroying evidence, and tying off loose ends from her last adventure, that "just happened."
If she is online during the day when she has other things to be doing, chances are she's in a fertility-haze and looking for the most AF guy she thinks she can get. She doesn't read your profile, she doesn't care what you do. Mostly what she cares about is that you look like will be able to fuck, leave and never speak of it again. Shirtless selfies don't work for 25 days/mo, of which she may be online for only a few, but they do work when it counts.
The less your profile (and you in person) engages her critical faculties, the more likely you can just go right to bed with her.
If you lift, or at least have abs, a tight shirt or shirtless photo will get you laid. Not because you are awesome, interesting, or witty, but because you are ready, available, and pre-selected by women blinded by their monthly breeding-goggles.
They will bitch about it for the rest of the month, but who cares. I'd even bet $1000 that if we had the okc or pof login data for female users, we could predict their ovulation cycles to within a couple of days. If I were an advertiser, I'd pay extra to put ads in front of women when they were in this biologically impaired state.
Lessons learned:
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A shirtless selfie profile pic is a biologically rational strategy.
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Just like you can't stick it in her masters degree, she doesn't want to get plowed by your scenic vacation.
- Yeah, sex-retard.

Lazlo-Red 10y ago
There is a compromise:
Go rent a boat for an hour on a lake, boat rentals are everywhere. Make it a nice boat with a steering wheel, not some shitty jon boat!
Have someone take good pictures of you driving the boat with the lake and scenery in the background. In this circumstance a shirtless picture is relatively appropriate.
Post said pictures for an increase in SMV; you know cause you’re on a boat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU (NSFW due to cursing)
Safe sailing gentlemen!
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HS-Thompson 10y ago
Yeah you figured it out. That's what I did after I finally felt like it made sense after half a year of hitting the gym hard.
Just wait until the next time you're out with friends at the lake, on the boat, at the beach house, playing frisbee, whatever, and then be that extra annoying person making your buddy take "candid" shots of you until you have a couple good ones.
NoFatChicks88 10y ago
alternatively, if you don't want to put forth that much effort to rent a boat then just snap a few pics at the beach with your friends.
[deleted] 10y ago
Extra points for a wooden pipe and JFK hat.
Seriously though, careful about giving away shit that good.
I keep my best bits (as the one you posted above seems to be) close to the vest.
An_All-Beef_Engineer 10y ago
Please select the correct option. This is either
codehamster for:Back to the gym boys.
capt_behindsight 10y ago
A shirtless selfie can never beat a tight fitting shirt over a sweaty, muscular body that implies that the dude under it is cut as fuck.
No homo
[deleted] 10y ago
Yeah, harness her imagination and make her want to see what's underneath.
david_kimba 10y ago
Can you show an Example Picture, for science purpouses ofc. No Homo either.
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An_All-Beef_Engineer 10y ago
Nothing beats seeing it with your own eyes.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
... unless you got nice pecs and abs.
thenemaxofredpill 10y ago
So, I have read a couple post on here about shirtless selfies. Now, I am the one who works in the tech field but has never had a Facebook profile. Just never saw the point in posting my life online. After reading these posts, I decided to get "modern". I opened a Facebook profile. Updated it with pics. Granted, I did keep everything private. I also created a Tinder profile and OKC profile. At first, I had the generic stuff. You know..the "relationship" pictures of me and friends and all that jazz. They were good pics and my about me was something along the line of "not looking for hookups. Just wanting to meet new people. Yada yada". I messaged tons of chicks and got many responses but when it came to actually meeting them...they all flaked.
Then, I decided to take the advice of the articles. I am in pretty good shape at 30. 175lbs, tall, 4 pack, low BF%, blonde (except I keep it buzzed because of receding hairline), blue eyes. I had a picture of shoulders up right after leaving the barber with a fresh haircut and a thick chin strap and moustache set at a low 1-1.5 length and a picture of a bathroom selfie of my chin down in some b-ball shorts and no shirt (flexing). I would honestly rate me at a 7-7.5 when compared to most guys (have had girls tell me this as well). (and please don't think of me as bragging. I am just giving you an idea of my looks. I will even be willing to PM you my profile if you request it). And my about me stated "only message me if you want to make out and touch each other..." (yes I got this from Red Pill)
Not only do I get women hitting me up (mostly fat chicks but some are good looking), but my response rate has went up and getting actual dates is far easier. I message less to get them. Usually have a date within three messages.
Maybe it's just me...but the fact is that women like shirtless pics. I even get literally 10-20 likes a day. Most likely from fat chicks because they are the only ones that pay for the app. But none the less, I get likes.
For me, OKC is way better than Tinder. I do get quite a bit of matches on Tinder, but 99 times out of 100, they are flakes. However, on OKC....I probably have a 20% actual meet percentage.
changshuaidiao 10y ago
What a girl writes in her bio means nothing. It's like a grocery list: she writes it when she full and has clarity of mind, but she doesn't go shopping until she's hungry.
penworth 10y ago
When I see a girl say "she's not looking for sex" on tinder, I don't fucking believe her.
Just as I throw up when I see a girl that puts out pics of mountains and lakes and will only show you herself "face to face." Bitch, please.
[deleted] 10y ago
Literally this is just a way to filter out betas and incels who think they have a shot on tinder. True meaning is more like "I want to fuck, but I don't want to feel like a slut"
Usually these types will reject the straight up dirty talk type of approach, but "let's hang out and watch movies" works fine. Same result, just lets them rationalize their sluttiness. Whatever helps them sleep I guess.
NoMoBluepill 10y ago
In my experience, most high SMV women actually do genuinely dislike the topless selfie. If you want to bang gutter sluts fine, that's ok but otherwise I'd steer clear.
Edit: I'm pretty sure 3/4 of the dudes responding to this have never actually touched a woman.
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Most women SAY they dislike those things, and muscles, and sports cars, and guys who don't commit, and a whole bunch of other stupid things.
But there is a world of difference between what she says she is attracted to and what she is actually attracted to and responds positively to.
0xdada 10y ago
Missing the point. For 3-4 days each month, every girl is a gutter slut.
rp_orginalblend 10y ago
That's as stupid as saying high values guys don't like tits.
ChiefBigLeaf 10y ago
A shirtless pic you take in your toothpaste stained bathroom mirror with the toilet behind you is different from a shirtless pic of you lounging at the beach having a good time with friends. Context is key.
[deleted] 10y ago
Consider for a moment that high value girls may simply have enough class to pretend as if they dislike topless selfies, where as your average basic bitch has no such comity.
In my experience higher value females are simply better at projecting class and hiding promiscuity and aren't as a group less likely to go for the traditional tinder baits.
Source I live in a university town with a lot of girls curing cancers, inventing super corn, etc. They still go for the shirtless pictures.
verify_account 10y ago
Your male hamster is in overdrive.
Women love attractive men; this not debatable.
[deleted] 10y ago
This hasn't been my experience in the slightest. Sure, higher SMV women will talk about how much they hate topless selfie pics, but that's just because they want plausible deniability. They're the same girls that tell you they would never have sex on the first date and then do it all the time. They care about their self image in the presence of others, it's all just a fabricated facade they put on so they aren't ostracized as sluts.
[deleted] 10y ago
It's not even about other people thinking things about her. She says these things to lie to herself, so she doesn't feel like a slut, and doesn't have to feel bad about such things.
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[deleted] 10y ago
It's all about context. Are you taking a mirror selfie in a bar bathroom with your flat brim hat throwing up deuces while raising your shirt to show off those sick abs. Or are you on a beach with friends and have a photo taken of you. I don't think there's an issue with class in the latter scenario and you're still signaling that you're in good shape.
antariusz 10y ago
And it's not even about showing that you're in good shape really.
When a woman just wants to fuck some dude she's meeting on Tinder, she wants a guy that isn't going to mess around and get to know her personality and take her out on three dates.
She wants to meet a guy that is going to slice through her TOKEN ASD and give her exactly what she really wants. And mirror selfie AMONG OTHER THINGS (game) will positively get you lots of "good girls" just looking to get banged hard.
NoMoBluepill 10y ago
It's pretty clear that when someone says "topless selfie" they're referring to the former not the latter, come on, guy. That's not even a "selfie."
Sir_Distic 10y ago
Except most girls in this day and age can't tell the difference, or care enough, to call a picture a picture. Every pic is now a selfie. Or at least every one taken with a cell phone showing only 1 person, or close to it. Even pics of a guy at the beach not taken by him.
reigorius 10y ago
You're right. Unfortunately guys usually take womens words serious and they do need a reminder now and then.
The 'no shirtless selfie' is a concept used often by women and has a hint of a suggestion that shirtless pictures are a no-go. The poster is reminding us shirtless pictures and their effect depend on the context, which adds value to the sub.
antariusz 10y ago
http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/27/mrs-hyde/
As rollo says (in a different article, paraphrased)...
The "good girl" you know back home is the SAME girl getting fingered in the middle of a dance floor at 3 am in a foam cannon rave.
I'm not even in great shape. Shirtless selfies work for me.
poochman 10y ago
Which photo do you have it as? Been working for me as well as my 2nd to last photo. I feel like maybe it's less douchy that way? Kind of curious though if moving it to my 1st or 2nd would increase/descrease my matches though.
antariusz 10y ago
I have it as photo #1
Less wasted dates looking for a provider. More potential matches with women looking to get laid.
[deleted] 10y ago
Good for you, but you should check the Tinder thread on Bodybuilding Forum and you'll find out context is key when it comes to topless selfies - noone likes mirror pictures.
antariusz 10y ago
But yet it works for getting me laid.
TRP isn't about what they like, it's about what works.
I'm willing to try something else if you can conclusively prove that I'd have better success not posting up shirtless mirror pic, but (and maybe this is just me), nothing says "douchebag" more than a shirtless mirror pic, and that's what tindersluts are looking for (including my current LTR).
bigcitytruth 10y ago
Low hanging fruit is easier to pick.
antariusz 10y ago
Flawed analogy: there is no limit on the amount of fruit I can pick. I can get every single fruit on the tree. And the low hanging fruit can taste sweeter than the tiny unripe plants that don't weight down their branches and remain out of reach for a few weeks until they gain weight and lower their branches (postwall).
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antariusz 10y ago
Yea, she's 20, I'm 33. I've been fucking her for about 6 weeks. That's a LTR.
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[deleted] 10y ago
Well, as they say about gear, you can't argue with results.
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antariusz 10y ago
It's all a matter of perspective.
If the majority of my relationships last for a night. This one is relatively long term. My longest ever was a year and a half.
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Luckyluke23 10y ago
man, if you got the good why don't you show it off...
I wouldn't but a shirtless pick AS YOUR PROFILE PICTURE.. but i defo would have one in the line up towards the back at the beach or something...
muh-soggy-knee 10y ago
The last time I posted a shirtless profile picture on a dating site it was suspended
pluvoaz 10y ago
When I used to chase women, my profile pic cropped head & shoulders, but you could see the girl with me from the eyes up. She was usually the first thing anybody (men or women) asked about. She gave me immediate pre-approval and was the best wingman ever.
Teatach 10y ago
Very interesting points. My last 2 tinder dates, both brought up the subject of how much time they spend on reviewing each and every profile. Whenever they'd see a "shirtless" photo they said they'd instantly swipe to the left. I'll admit that I only have 2 reasonable boring photos, so perhaps they were hinting to me that I should get my own "shirtless" photos, since they are instant swipes to the "left" (right)?
antariusz 10y ago
They're testing you to see if you're a beta or alpha.
You already passed the attraction threshold, you got a date, you're not an omega.
But they're trying to find out if you're the "fun guy" or the "serious relationship guy"
"fun guy" would laugh in their face when they said they instantly swipe left whenever they see a shirtless pic, because he knows the true nature of women... And a beta dude will agree with their feminine narrative of "good girls" and be willing to wife up a slut (hint: that's all of them)
Teatach 10y ago
Oh god, I got the "serious relationship guy" then, even though I said I wasn't looking for anything serious. I just nodded with a smile and gave them a critical look about the shirtless photos.
antariusz 10y ago
Well think about this, were you inviting them back to your place to hangout, or were you asking them out to dinner or drinks?
Hint: One will get you laid some of the time. The other will get you laid none of the time.
Kalidane 10y ago
The ones who auto-swipe left on a shirtless selfie wait
They are straight up lying to you. Not wanting to seem shallow blah blah. They're 'classy' lol. When they are in bed alone at 11pm on a Friday after two glasses of Californian vino and working on their DJ skills, which pictures do you think they are looking at?
My profile has one pic of me and it's a topless gym selfie. It works fine. Or my other pic of Italian pastries is fucking irresistible. Who knows.
Pay attention to what they do, not to what they say.
Teatach 10y ago
Yeah I see that! But what if you're in an area where everyone is a gym goer (which seems I am), and every 5th guy on Tinder has a shirtless gym photo. Could she be so showered with those that she'd get bored of them?
But no doubt, I'm getting a shirtless photo!
Kalidane 10y ago
Perhaps in that situation a little more thought and effort is required.
Have a pic that shows you aren't dad-bod (don't worry about trying to out-muscle the 'specialists' just avoid looking like a sock filled with mashed potato) and demonstrate other dimensions through your other pics. Social, adventurous, whatever. Think to yourself "what pics would Indiana Jones use on tinder?"
This gives the hamster way more to go on. Be careful with 'money stuff' - I mean club VIP, yacht with models blah blah. They will feel entitled to whatever is in your pics so don't make your wallet a part of the scenario.
There should be good threads in here somewhere for specialised advise. It isn't really my area (hence the no effort approach I take!).
truchisoft 10y ago
My current LTR said to me at the beginning (when I told her I was starting to exercise and that my plan was to get big) that she didn't like muscular guys.
Turns out she actually does like muscles and cannot stop touching my pecs and biceps.
When I tease her about it, she comes up with "well I didn't know" or "well but I was talking about their personalities" or whatever the hamster comes up with at the moment.
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Kalidane 10y ago
From what I can tell, girls want a lean guy who looks like he can crush her to death in a bear-hug. One doesn't even need to demonstrate it. It should be visibly obvious.
For the seriously big/strong, he doesn't have to be that lean either.
truchisoft 10y ago
The turning point for me is where you can't tell them "Oh I just have an active life, not much of a gym guy" because they won't buy it.
Remember they want natural alphas because that means you have naturally good genes that make you muscular without trying. We know that is bullshit but their hamster don't.
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Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
They work great. And location matters little. If they don't swipe right then ok, no loss.