Summary

Some users have requested an exploration of the statement satiating desire isn't about feeling good. It's about ending suffering.

I am still slowly making my way through the side bar and learning at a slow contemplative pace, so this post may be a little premature on my part. Nevertheless; I would like to take the opportunity to both offer the following exploration between desire and suffering and to make an entrance into this community in a way that I hope to be valuable; at the very least to form the foundation of a valuable discussion.

I would first like to make a housekeeping note between desires and needs. While the difference between these two words may not be material outside this post; while we are here I'd like to form the following difference to aid the discussion.

Needs as contended by Maslow are the fundamental things that that a person requires to live; ordered in a hierarchical way. These needs form the basic motivators of a human that when met, that person is able to reduce their suffering and to be able to move on to meeting greater needs. I will extend this contention to reproduction; the more of a persons basic needs that are met, the more likely they are to successfully reproduce and raise a child in a community. It is important to note, that while generally, needs are met linearly up the hierarchy, in reality, person's needs will flow up and down the hierarchy.

Desires are the feelings one experience when there may be a need to be met. I say "may", since in today's world of consumption and fem-centric ideas of masculinity, our senses are often confused in to desiring things we actually don't need. Let's explore some common desires and relate them back to the hierarchy.

Body

Any smoker who is reading this will now be feeling the desire to smoke a cigarette. The smoker/addict will hamster away that desire and apply a need to the desire to justify its existence. "I'm bored/tired/need a break/it calms me/ it helps me focus, etc". What is the basis of this desire, no non-smoker needs a cigarette, so where does it come from? It come from suffering. Every smoker who hasn't smoked for around an hour (perhaps less) will feel an empty feeling inside caused by the withdrawal of nicotine. It isn't particularly uncomfortable, in fact it's hardly noticeable, however once a smoker is able to fill that emptiness with nicotine, he will be able to fill all of his moments of loneliness, stress and discomfort with the drug. He will satiate his desire (end the suffering) without actually satiating any needs, and hence his dependency will grow. In this example, the desire isn't associated with any real need.

Not all the food we eat is delicious, so what exactly is hunger, if not to enjoy oneself through taste? Hunger is suffering, and we know that we can end the suffering by eating, so we eat. The suffering (desire) is caused by not having met our most fundamental need on the hierarchy.

Why do you have the desire to attain your dream car or other material crutch? It is because you now have a need to meet the esteem of your peers and community members. Will this car/watch/house make you happy? No it may periodically help you end your suffering (though in most cases the purchasing of these items don't actually guarantee that you have met the esteem of your peers, you've just been tricked into thinking that you'll be loved for buying this thing.), though there is nothing that this thing can do that will make you happy (other than maybe some utility that it has - for example; going fast, which can be fun).

This can get confusing sometimes. If you have a sore back you may organise to get a massage to relieve the suffering, or you may get a massage without having anything wrong with you, in which case there is a distinct difference between pleasure and a reduction in suffering. We can extrapolate this back massage example to fucking. It the desire of every beta to be validated by women, and we will suffer immeasurably because of it. We will suffer because women will despise us for needing them and their validation. Women are attracted to self actualised men or the next best (hypergamy). It is these men that get the back massages for pleasure. It is these men who fuck for fun and don't hate women or themselves in the process. Though woman will likely hate them for not providing reproductive utility. It is these men who will quite happily plod along doing there thing, whether it is being a Siberian Muscle God, Salty Pirate King or like in the above example; enjoying your self actualisation and removing the value from women's validation like u/Challengedge.

All that being said, what is the point of posting on TRP without an unapologetic dose of misogyny?

What is the difference between men and women? We can argue the difference in many ways and through a number of lenses. Most notably in this sub, it is the difference in our reproductive strategies. I put to you that a more fundamental difference between men and woman is that:

A woman's highest need is to be loved. Only once she is loved a woman can reproduce and convince a man to raise the child.

A man's highest need, is to be free. Only once free, are men able to better themselves and then their community.

It important to again note that the meeting of these needs doesn't always happen in a linear fashion and that until one has achieved some measure of self actualisation, one will suffer in one way or another. The more you grow as a man, the more your motivations will be based on self and less on the reduction of suffering. That is to say, the more your motivations will be based on self and less on the validation of women and our insufferable enslaving cunt of a society.

A look at this hierarchy also gives us an insight into why so many of us become beta and fem manipulated; we need to pass through the esteem/approval seeking stage of personal growth before we can self actualise and in this world where we have suckled on the tit of mothers validation for way too long; our esteem and self worth has become based on the meeting of females reproductive needs (provider to a single spouse for the child of another man). This has crippled too many of us from reaching our higher, truer and greater calling of self validation, actualisation and transcendence.

The basis of our motivations for being here is primarily to reduce suffering at the esteem level of our needs (we are not loved by society i.e woman). However, I think most of us have come to realise that female validation is no longer needed in our lives (since probably the age of five), our suffering now becomes based on the need to be free. We can now see the name for this sub as less of a cheeky irony and more of an apt contention of the most masculine of needs.