I see this question asked a lot and I think the answer is obvious: don't push past LMR.
Let's imagine a scenario. You have three plates: A,B, and C. A and B let you fuck them all day, but C says she "isn't ready" for sex, though she pleases you manually and orally frequently. A lot of people here would ask how to push past C's LMR, but this is what I would recommend instead:
Ask yourself, would you be okay with never having sex with C? You already get some sexual satisfaction from her, but is it enough? If the answer is no, next her. You already have two other plates to fuck. You don't have oneitis, you don't need her, leave her behind.
If the answer is yes, and you will be satisfied with what she's providing, tell her it is completely fine and never try to fuck her again. Ever. Don't even bring it up.
This may seem counterintuitive, but think about what a beta would do in this situation. Imagine a beta with C: C is his only hope for getting laid, C is his life, C is everything. When C rejects the beta, he's going to be crushed. He's going to do everything to try to change her mind, because he has no other hope of getting fucked. And to C, it's going to be completely obvious, and she's going to be both turned off and creeped out. Don't be like that. You aren't a beta. You have other options. Act like it.
Once you establish that you are okay with her LMR and put sex completely out of this picture, you may actually start to push past her LMR. The fact that you aren't on your knees begging to be fucked will be enough to intrigue almost any woman. Women want what they can't have. Be what they can't have, and they will want you. Make them work for it. Tease them endlessly until the only resistance from what they want is you. You may never get past the LMR, but she will respect you more for not being butthurt and worshipping her pussy like every other desperate beta does.
[deleted] 10y ago
i dont think theres a universal rule for LMRs. its all down to the situation. some women have genuine LMR because shes a cock tease but other chicks are just thinking aloud that they dont wanna be slutty and if you dont even acknowledge youre in.
frakkintoasterz 10y ago
True. I tend to think there shouldn't be too much time spent on it. If she's playing a game I want nothing to do with it, and if it's real LMR I don't want to wait around for a chance at something I could get elsewhere.
oldredder 10y ago
If we research enough combinations we will get a universal rule. This is just a part of it.
If a girl's a cocktease bitch who intends from the outset to deny me sex but get me wanting it I will drop her like she doesn't even exist.
redpillbanana 10y ago
“There’s no universal rule, it all depends on the person/situation” is not really helpful and is a common blue pill response to TRP. We’re here because we’re trying to articulate the rules.
What’s funny is that after you said there’s no universal rule, you started to break down the situation into common categories, which is exactly what we should be doing. Category A can be solved with technique 1, category B can be solved with technique 2, etc.
[deleted] 10y ago
the fact that there are "categories" as you put it means theres no one size fits all rule so you reaffirmed my point thanks genius
redpillbanana 10y ago
“When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.” ― Will Rogers
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NeopolitanAfterglow 10y ago
Your point is that the question is invalid because it presupposes that all LMR should be pushed through. Which it shouldn't. It depends on the circumstance.
You need to figure out where the LMR is coming from.
If it's coming from her being completely unattracted to you, don't push past. Just end the date and hard next her.
Quite often it comes from ASD. She definitely wants to, but she's unsure if she's ready for a +1 to her n count. I think the low pressure sales pitch always works best here. Just tell her no problem, you're not going to do anything she's not comfortable with, but damn she's sexy.
The only circumstance where I can see actually pushing past LMR being correct is when the woman has a clear rape fantasy fetish. But you want to be extremely careful with that shit.
cocaine_face 10y ago
I usually deescalate a bit and try to turn her on more. I'd say that works about 50-75% of the time.
mryddlin 10y ago
this right here and I'd like to add be OK with a no answer, it doesn't mean anything to you because as the OP said you have other plates.
Even if you are dry, there are still other plates just waiting for an alpha.
frakkintoasterz 10y ago
The way I see it, when you're faced with LMR you can either enjoy what you have, leave, or waste your time picking away at a brick wall trying to knock it down. And I ain't about that last option.
swoleo_dicaprio 10y ago
This is a non-verbal example of agree and amplify which I'm glad you pointed out. Agreeing and amplifying without explicitly saying you're doing so is imo the best way to use the concept.
Warning: Don't try this if you tend to verbal diarrhea when you get upset, cause then this will backfire.
A few years ago I fucked a much younger HB9 (I'm 30) and she would hit me up whenever she visited my city. The bombest pussy. Anyway.
After a year or two of this, she happened to show up when I was having a bad week. We went to some club and both got drunk; I always stay cogent (NEVER slur or stumble) but that night I was angsty. Packed into a brightly lit elevator at 3:30am I tried to feel her up while shoulder to shoulder with strangers. Naturally she blushed and turned away. Whatever.
Drunk and feeling saucy, I decided that if we were going to fuck that weekend, that she would have to initiate it. I wasn't going to be "shamed" twice in a row. Even if I was being "inappropriate" whatever. I said none of this.
We didn't fuck that night and she was visibly confused. At the time I had another girlfriend and she asked if I was being faithful to her all of the sudden, but at that point I had finished my evening joint, grinned at her playfully (are you kidding?) and went to sleep.
But she didn't even try to get me to fuck her. (Effort being a concept that is 100% alien to a teenage HB9.)
Finally -- and this is weeks later, on another visit -- she breaks down and wants to know why I don't want her.
I told her, smiling and being kind, "Look, I always want you. But I don't HAVE to have you. If you want me back, you gotta show it."
She asked, But howwww? (Keep in mind she's 19 at this point, so while a CC rider she's still naive.)
I said, "Dont even say a word. All you have to do when you feel that feeling [horny] is look me right in the eyes, or just touch me. Even just lightly on the arm, like this..." Cue her riding my shit like its the acela train.
She has initiated 95% of our sex since I began to cesar milan her ass. She cooks. She shows girl game. She sends me naked pics. Gifts. Affection. Compliments. Less than my other plates, who are HB6-8, but still a lot.
Tl;dr using agree and amplify with your actions, not words, can be an effective way to show a woman that she is the one with uncontrollable needs -- not you. But you need to be able to delay the gratification.
Shade_Raven 10y ago
There becomes a point when LMR becomes a hamster test to a shit test. At that point you gotta just call a cab.
No plate is worth keeping around if she isn't putting out.
Trigger_Warnings 10y ago
If i took that advice I would not be with my current girlfriend. Overcame LTR by saying that it was actually ok if she didn't feel comfortable having sex and that I understood if she wanted to wait for feelings to develop and I wouldn't pressure her.
Not 5 minutes later I was balls deep.
frakkintoasterz 10y ago
Exactly. As soon as you take away the sexual interest, she wants it back.
oldredder 10y ago
That's a technique for pushing past LMR but if she still froze you out and didn't pursue that's when you next her. It's a question of reading the scale of bullshit vs your wasted time to get no pussy with this one when you can have more.
Plus LTR-seeking, even to the level of not consciously aiming for it but not consciously excluding it with this girl, has another strategy and that is more patience. If you knew from the outset you didn't want any LTR then why by patient?
frakkintoasterz 10y ago
Enlighten me on what this means.
robjnava 10y ago
i think he means it switches from having to put down her ASD and give her a sensation that it "just happened" [hamster-based] to a means of her using LMR to see if you lose frame and have her have an excuse to continue to use it [shit test]
oldredder 10y ago
In theory this is good but if the LMR is weak you can just get her to chase you, so she knows she's wet, wants it, is unsure if she should go all-in and you make her more sure by making her work for it.
By all means fuck the others and next this LMR-girl if she's not worth the hassle but don't just give up. There are ways.
Todd Valentine / RSDTodd calls his technique the pre-emptive freeze-out. The girl stops, pushes your hand / dick away, you act in no way butt-hurt but go do something else. Go to the bathroom, get a glass of water, go have a seat on a chair and read a book or something like you're not on because she's not. She will many times think she's done something wrong (she has) and want to make it up to you (actual sex).
The key is you don't push through LMR, you're not rapey or aggressive, she now feels she needs to work for you and defeats her own LMR. If she is still not down for sex she really wasn't into you enough anyhow.
Maybe she blows you, maybe you leave and go find another plate and fuck her good because this one's already expired.
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[deleted] 10y ago
Rofl this thread is dumb as fuck. there's a happy medium between acting like not having sex at that second is the end of the world and never bringing up sex again.
Fuck this advice, it's for fugly blue pill faggots. Get the fuck out
frakkintoasterz 10y ago
It works for me. I don't see why I should be bothered if I can't do x y or z with one chick if a bunch of others let me do it. And in my experience as soon as I seem to have lost interest the plate wants me to show interest again and will work for it.
[deleted] 10y ago
never trying again works for you? What setting do you even see these plates in?
frakkintoasterz 10y ago
I see them in a context of we are making out, fooling around, having a lot of pre-sex action and eventually they'll say "Why don't you want to have sex with me?". At which I point out it was their decision, and then they admit they changed their mind or whatever and we fuck.
Of course sometimes it's just a dead end, but a dead end with blowjobs ain't half bad.
oldredder 10y ago
never with 1 girl out of 2-10 in the wings is not a problem. Her loss, not yours. Always remember the man has to be the prize and the women will follow that lead.