It's not the first time I'm seeing this happen. The women don't own the place, but they own the naive mind of the place owner. They are using tactics that are invisible to normal men. But the balls on those parasites are huge. The sense of entitlement, enormous. If I did something like this, I couldn't stand the stench of self-disgust. Not women though. It's exactly how they think. They feel just great about themselves when they do this. Mission accomplished! Again, from an evolutionary point of view it all makes sense, and it should be be forgiven / accepted. But isn't it just weird how this is all visible now and we are able to observe the bio-programming under which our forefathers have slaved away? Strange times indeed. Not sure what will happen if TRP turns mainstream.

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All I can say is learn from this experience. She's won this round, your friend is likely not going to have an RP awakening or some shit, he's going to provide her with the lifestyle she wants at the cost of the lifestyle he used to want for himself.

And that's the key - USED TO want for himself. Even if he sees what's going on, she's won in that she has sapped his ambition; he no longer wants the things that he wanted when the two of you got this project rolling.

I've only let one girl move into my house and she insisted on paying a fair rent, even though she makes considerably less than I do and was fresh out of college. She brought it up - and that is something I had never, ever seen from a girl before. If you paid for the place, and rent in your area for a small studio apartment is $1500 a month (fuck SF), then by letting her live with you, you are essentially giving her that value. Would you spend that kind of money on her every month? Fuck no, that would be insane even by BP standards.

Most girls will be offended and pissy and complain-circlejerk with their friends about how "he doesn't treat me like a GF, I am NOT a roommate!". They do not conceptually understand how pussy doesn't equate to him paying your living costs. This is why all guys should only LTR girls who clearly are down to contribute a share of rent if it comes to moving in. Girls who think it's miserly or rude to do so are not worthy of your respect.

Honestly, you sound like someone with a jealous crush. The bitch is on some bullshit for sure, but which one isn't? You've got shit to do, but you took the time to write this fucking novella. I think you should re-examine your relationship with this dude, because i personally do not find myself thinking about a buddy's body, let alone moniter his definition. You sound like a jealous bitch yourself.

The GF instinctively knows you are a RP influence on her BF (although she wouldn't know the term RP) and is trying to cut you out of his life. She'll probably succeed b/c he sounds like a pussy.

Then, 3 months after he's stopped lifting and lost his gainz, she'll fuck a meathead.

Your friend had better watch out. Even if the property is in his name, if they live together in a common law jurisdiction, she can still claim half of it due to an activist judge

I'm having this problem too, OP. I live with my brother in my dad's old house and he let a woman move in with us.

Since she's been here she's spent thousands of dollars on new furniture, kitchenware, white goods, all that shit.

She goes around fixing it up and tidying, and completely avoiding eye contact with me.

She's already marked parts of our house with her belongings, which to me is a signal of ownership, and now she's pushing me out slowly by filling my brother's ear with poison about me.

"Oh, he's sitting on our new couch", "Oh, he's using OUR TV", even though the TV that was in the lounge room was mine and they swapped their own for it.

She's 23 and works at subway, my brother made the foolish mistake of getting engaged to her. I figure I'll just leave them to their shitty, unfulfilling existence.

CHARM KILLS

This woman is devilishly Charming and it sounds like she has complete manipulative power over your friend.

Game over and she won everything.

Too bad the guy wasn't Red Pill he might have had Amused Mastery to combat the Charm, but he obviously does not. He sounds clueless.

Not sure if anything can be done... the girlfriend has great girl Game.

"His place was completed a few weeks ago and they quickly moved in. He's been clever enough to keep 100% ownership."

Has he though? Does he fully understand the palimony situation he's in? Did he make her sign a lease so she looks like a tenant and not a co-habitating dependent?

NEVER let a bitch in without a lease. Not kidding.

Hey OP

I have had friends slip before and I'm going to contradict the rest of the people saying he's gone and she's won and there's no hope... Come on that's horseshit.

I have approached my friends in ways of general concern. This guy seems like a genuine partner to you in your life and I am sure he feels the same way about you. Any bro would at least hear his good friend out.

Invite him over for a beer and chat. The topic will eventually come to women.

"hey I've noticed we don't lift together anymore and your BBQ hasn't been put to use. I wouldn't bring it up but you're my best friend. Things have changed since your GF moved in and I just want to make sure everything is cool with you."

Lay down your points while you chat. No need for TRP lingo.

"Anyway I don't know if what's on my mind is true or not. I had to hear it from you. Just wanted to bring the topic up for you to think about and you know where to find me if you need to talk"

Something along those lines. I've been able to help a lot of my bros with their perspectives talking with them like this. Most guys don't have people they can be honest with, and who will be honest with them, which doesn't allow them to fully explore what the fuck is actually going on.

Good luck with your buddy. I hope he would do the same for you.

I may be young, and this is possibly beyond my time, but I miss the days when men could be men without pandering to the emotions of women. Not to say that their emotions are irrelevant. Rather that they have been allowed to infiltrate every space of male being, and in doing so, eradicate the very masculinity that has developed civilization in the first place.

Would the mongols have allowed themselves to be dictated by women? Would the vikings have allowed themselves to be emasculated the way our species allows itself to be today? Something needs to change before we lose the very essence of humanity. This isn't a world in balance anymore. It's a world that's spiraling out of control.

"What about the years of lifting John?? What about your gains John, it's almost summer man."

Damn man, she's cutting you off because you are increasing (through being a Gym source - her man becoming more appealing to other women) her competition anxiety. And I bet she's withholding sex when she is 'upset' to 'influence' his choices and it's working. She's kick-started the Beta-Bux transition and it's only a matter of time, and you have to watch it happen in front of you (the possible and likely destruction of a natural Alpha).

I don't know what you'll do but I wish you well my friend, that's a big challenge. Thanks for this post, we must all remain vigilant in the light of any women's base biological imperative to start the Beta-Bux transition.

That's why I keep saying it's healthy for men to hate women a little, as a whole. We don't care whether women like it. It's healthy for us.

An automatic vagina-averse aloof attitude in the man is often the only thing standing between you and her misery-inducing manipulative nature run wild.

Without the attitude the long term battle's lost. You're just not going to always catch all the shit tests, no matter how rationally vigilant you are. She's always worming her way in slowly via the dark side of the moon, if there's any opening at all for her to do it. Double time if she's already moved herself in at your place.

and it should be be forgiven / accepted.

Hell no. Women want equality, let's give it to them. Don't accept shitty/childish behaviour. Draw a line.

Women are capable of self reflection. They tend to have bigger hamsters than men but it's ON THEM to overcome it.

Man I know the feeling. My training partner and I are great friends, we're both young, top athletes in our country, we've competed in other countries together, we talk philosophy over beers. This fucker is 20 and is paying off a fucking luxury SUV already with his own money, and plans on buying his first property in a couple months.

Tall, jacked, already well off money wise, in the top 0.0000001% of athletes on earth. But dear god he's beta.

Guy had been on a dry spell from hell hung up on his ex after a year. I gave him the same advice we tout here about oneitis, get over a girl by getting under a bunch of new ones. So he goes and hooks up with a 6/10 28 year old client of his, I applaud him because fuck at least that gets the ball rolling. In a week they are dating exclusively, it's been a month and he's already talking about her being a unicorn (not literally those words, but he thinks shes the one).

Already I see the change, we were going clubbing regularly, we haven't at all in a month. He's been fitting his training around her schedule. He's already slacking on work talking about dropping some of his clients. I can't understand how this guy is so easily pussy whipped.

I try to drop Red Pill ideology into our conversations, he knows how well I handle women, he himself has said that 99% of them are money grabbing whores, but this one is special and different.

Oh well, you can lead a horse to water I suppose. Either he is gonna be married to a nearing wall low tier bitch in a year or his betaness will catch up with him.

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Aha, this is EXACTLY why all Red Pill Men should study LTR and married Red Pill Game even though they never intend to enter such relationships themselves. We will be surrounded by other men in these types of relationships all our lives. Would you rather be dismissed as the single guy who gets all the girls and tells all the marrieds to just dump their wives? Or would you rather be the Rock Star who gets all the girls AND can lay down Red Pill Truths that WORK for his married friends when they need these?

Many couples shut down or modify a lot of their prior social contacts when they pair off; women complain of their girlfriends doing this more often than men do. It's one of those things in life and in some cases it doesn't matter what you do, right, wrong, or nothing.

I sense that your weight room will be a welcome man-cave retreat for him and will help re-establish your bond. As for the BBQ, the easiest way to warm her to this would be to have a simple BBQ with just you and a date, plus them; simple two couples dynamic. The new GF might be shy or just not like crowds, and resisting a big shindig the first time out. Don't assume malice when social incompetence might better explain the situation.

Wow, the way you wrote it - it reminded me of that "zombie ant fungus" that gets into the mind of the ant and controls it.

If you push further, she'll tell your friend that you made a pass at her and she'll turn him against you. No turning back after that one. Just keep having your own life and keep inviting him so he knows what he's missing out on.

He's already out of shape from the stress of building and he's lost a good deal of definition and just looks sloppy. I can't stand the sight of it.

She is making him unfit and unattractive to other women. It's full betafication.

What's annoying me most is that he seems quite powerless against all this because he doesn't "see" her strategy.

Which is why and how he is going to procreate. Isn't that the whole point of female allure? To make the man temporarily insane and sacrificial, so that he does things that are not in his individual favor but are in her favor, and then in his offspring's favor.

In evolutionary biology, an organism is said to behave altruistically when its behaviour benefits other organisms, at a cost to itself. The costs and benefits are measured in terms of reproductive fitness, or expected number of offspring. So by behaving altruistically, an organism reduces the number of offspring it is likely to produce itself, but boosts the number that other organisms are likely to produce. This biological notion of altruism is not identical to the everyday concept. In everyday parlance, an action would only be called ‘altruistic’ if it was done with the conscious intention of helping another. But in the biological sense there is no such requirement. Indeed, some of the most interesting examples of biological altruism are found among creatures that are (presumably) not capable of conscious thought at all, e.g. insects. For the biologist, it is the consequences of an action for reproductive fitness that determine whether the action counts as altruistic, not the intentions, if any, with which the action is performed.

Men wouldn't go insane, if insanity did not have a reproductive benefit. It's the sane men that are selected out of the gene pool.

At least you have your own place and her name is not on the other one.

Some men need a woman like crack and he must be that man or he wouldn't permit this.

You're not that man and you are still free.

It's always sad to see another man go down but he's not out for the count, just looking in rough shape for now.

It hits me; this is almost exactly the situation me and one of my best friends are in. only I didn't put it into words myself.

Me and him have lived next door during our time as students (around 7,5yrs). In the last 3 or so of those he got a girlfriend, that was exactly like this. Only it's like she knew from day one that I would always know him better and be a better friend to him than she could ever be. Now if she was a 9 or something, with a sweet personality, I could understand (but still not agree with) the situation. The thing is, she is a 5, at best. Plus she has a horrible pink-loving-unicorn/cat-fetish-careerist personality that is downright unfriendly. The time she has said hi to me is 2 to 3 times. And that is when I have said hi first. She keeps him from seeing friends, from having fun, doing what he likes, spending money on total junk from their joint account, etc.

I am still thinking what the best way is of how to tell him what he could change, or how to introduce him (or people that you know in general) to TRP. He knows about game (that it exists) but nothing more. I hate this feeling like right now everything is still ok more or less stable, but something later on is going to completely ruin his life.

Just like OP, I'd love to know anyones take on this, a solution, or what has worked for you.

Yeah, I lost a friend for some years because he got himself into a relationship with an uber-possessive girl.

In hindsight, he said that it was for the better because by now he knows that this shit doesn't fly and he won't put up with that in the future.

What's all this save your bro stuff? It doesn't matter how long he was able to withstand her, his frame broke to her. If you somehow manage to 'save' him from this woman, some other lady is is going to come along and try to control him and his actions and his home and his money. Chances are, this woman isn't the only one who has tight enough girl game to control your friend. He's an adult who makes his own choices, you can't save someone from themselves. That's retarded. Let him reap what he sows.

Say something to him. "I think your girlfriend's worrying is hurting your gym performance".

Silly bitch does she think you're going to be doing "six hour arm workouts" 45 min- 1hr is enough for a good training session.

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He's obviously her beta, and she will get bored eventually. When she starts cheating, that's your window.

I have this exact situation happening at my place. My roommate/BF started dating this girl right after his divorce, even tho I highly recommended he'd wait because I knew he was doing it from a place of loneliness.

I went through a divorce too, but i remained single for the purpose of bettering myself/monk mode. We would lift everyday ate healthy, had our shit together. But no more than 2 months after his divorce she's living with us! What in the fuck. I was noticing she will leave her shit behind like tooth brush and little shit here and there which I knew what her intentions where with her doing that. I brought it up to him but he was blind to her intentions.

Fast forward a few months she still lives with us in a new apt which is crazy because now it seems I live with them! She feels some sort of entitlement because of this and I could feel that she doesn't want me there either.

What I can tell you bro is this, don't instigate him to much because as of right now he's pussy blinded and can't see the reality for what it is. Let him figure his shit out when he finally sees wtf has been going down he'll be fat, depressed, and lonely.

I don't spend any time with my friend anymore because of this. Do what you can but don't hold his hand.

My best friend and I built new homes right next to each other many years ago. My wife did all the same shit your buddy's girlfriend is doing. I'll never forget the time she screamed, "You're never here! I'm raising two kids all by myself!" I hadn't gone anywhere. I was in my own garage and had been there all day, but my friend had joined me to help with a vehicle repair. In her mind that meant I was choosing him over her (personally I just wanted to get to work the next morning so I could buy groceries to feed her ungrateful mouth). She set out to drive us apart from the very beginning and finally succeeded when she had an affair with him around 8 years later as his own marriage was falling apart.

You need to shake your friend up before you lose him. Explain to him what she is doing. He knows it, he just doesn't want to admit it. Ask him why you can't hang out anymore? Why no BBQs? Why is she such a bitch to you? What is her fucking problem? Ask the hard questions because nobody else is going to.

Bros before hoes. This bitch is toxic. She needs to be put in her place or she needs to go. Too many men these days spend their lives tiptoeing around these bitches instead of facing them directly. I don't know what we're hiding from. The only power she has is the ability to stomp around like a toddler and act all pissy and offended and "how dare you." It's time he faces his demon.

I think women pretty much always do this - isolate men from whatever friends and support men have. Family too - they're much more receptive to time with her folks than time with yours. Sometimes even coworkers are a target.

It's a power play.

They try to set it up so it's you, her, and her friends in your world. Women want your undivided attention, and they want to control you by controlling your social environment.

You have to recognize this behavior and stop it. She is not worth loosing your friends over.

This was the reason why I never lived with my ex. She had a habit of taking shit over and disrupting my flow. I guess it was part my fault for not standing up for myself. She always wanted to hang out. Can a Nigga play monopoly with his bros without his gf trying to butt in?

Shit, this is a dire situation, that bitch is in deep. All you can do is back away for a while and let her make a mistake, then at that moment start to put doubt in his mind. He has given her too much without her working for it.

Sadly though,
John's behavior is also the result of evolutionary choices and would have resulted in his ancestors having one or more kids with his genes and traits.

It is hard to do what is best for you in modern society when your cave-man emotional responses are screaming at you to submit and have kids.

This is like an alien level parasite you're dealing with. I'd say your buddy is destined to be somebodies bitch.

God damn, nesting mode pisses me off.

The sad truth about all this is -- most men's ultimate goal is to settle down and start a family. The "best buds," "boys will be boys" days are (usually) limited to the bachelor years. Society has groomed into all of us that to be complete you have to get a stable job, then find a mate, then have children, then prepare for retirement, and share your wisdom to perpetuate this cycle with your grandchildren.

Most Blue Pill men will follow this path, even though they know something is missing in their lives. They aren't completely happy even though they were told over and over that they would be if they followed 'the path.'

It sadly is what it is. And only through TRP and education of the general male populace will this gradually change.

P.s. Change doesn't mean men shouldn't get into relationships or shun women. Change means not losing sight of what makes us happy.

Man, I hate that for you man. Time to lone wolf it. Even my ole most red pilled friend got whittled down to semi beta at one time because of his wife. But with her being the breadwinner while hes in school he doesn't have a choice except to be more domesticated.

Good luck. I'm not religious, but I believe in God. I'll pray for the poor bastard to wake up.

You should have had your buddy read Rollo Tomossi's article on why you should never cohabitate with a woman you're not married to. Too late for that now though.

This has been one of the most chiling posts i have ever seen. I will never let this happen tp me ever.

Dude, I just had a fit of rage come over me when you explained how she's going into full nesting mode. I can't even explain how annoyed that makes me. I hate women. I don't necessarily want to, but it just drives me up a wall to see them do shit like that.

That was the vaguest thing I've ever written, but you get what I'm saying.

Sorry to hear. Game over, he's lost. Sounds like you're losing a good friend. It may hurt, but don't be whiney about it. Also, if it is getting super-weird. Do not go to his turf. Have him come to yours. Last thing you need is her coming on to you in a jealousy tactic. Man up, Hoo-ah!

I want to shake this guy by the shoulders and slap him in the face to explain the bullet he dodged. If you do that shit once, guys... you know it.

God damn. His manhood is under nuclear attack. All the things John enjoys and all the things she is attracted to about him are one by one beginning to crumble and he needs to stand the fuck up for himself now before she's running his life and looking for Thundercock because she's disgusted of what he's become

You have to explain this shit to him and why it was the right thing to do. Expect to be called a closet homosexual by her soon. Call her moves out ahead of time to your bro so that he knows how to react and that you are in his corner.

Sounds like you're the one jealous of her.

I get where you're coming from, but you are clearly experiencing some butthurt as well. Why do you care that your bro doesn't come over and lift and or throw BBQs? Have your own BBQs and invite him if you want BBQs. Maybe he'll get the bright idea to have it at his place, maybe not. Lift by yourself, when his gainz start disappearing and you guys hang out maybe he'll be reminded. If not, oh well, don't waste energy saving him anymore or get caught into the sunk costs fallacy of your past investment. You can only lead a horse to water.

I can only watch as she's gaining influence over him using her "worry"

False concern, I've written about this very briefly as a mechanism of Machiavellianism awhile back, I'm not sure if I'll be able to dig up the thread, let's see... okay, got it:

/r/TheRedPill/comments/1ujs0r/concern_the_choice_manipulation_of_concealed/

A few days ago, she offered him a quickie to keep him at home when I said let's hit the gym.

Yep, trying to exercise control over him via sex. Typical female strategy.

Honestly, this kind of is shit is why I heavily endorse Machiavellianism as an absolute necessity for dealing with women. Don't get mad, get even. Beat them at their own game, get better at it than them. They're predisposed to be manipulative, we're predisposed to want to see the best in them, but with enough self-awareness you can turn all that shit around.