Disclaimer: In the words of /u/MachiavellianRed :
TRP's position on marriage is simple "it's rarely worth it." If we had an official position (we don't) it would be: "don't get married."
The other night, I went out to eat dinner with 7 other friends, 4 men and 3 females. This conversation lasted for about 5 minutes, but before I share it I'd like to provide some background.
Female one is a proud supporter of transgender rights, gay rights, lesbian rights, queer rights, etc. She loves to talk about any type of social liberalism. Female number two openly talks about sex, and has made it known to all members in this group that (her words, not mine) “the perfect guy to girl ratio for me is 3 : 1. That way I can have choices.” She basically confirms the cock carousel. Female number three, surprisingly, dresses nicely, acts like a lady to those who don’t know her, but in reality swears like a sailor and acts rude and obnoxious while talking with people, putting people down.
The four other men are all beta nice guys^TM.
So we’re all talking, and at some point in the conversation, the topic of divorce comes up. Female two says “I want to marry a rich man.” Female one chimes in saying, “I mean, there’s got to be more than money, but money is nice.” I and the other four guys don’t say anything, we just let them talk.
Female two continues “like if I knew a man was rich, I’d so marry him. But only if he didn’t have a pre-nup.” [Emphasis mine]. This caught my attention. Curious, I asked, “why do you not want a prenup?” She responded the following, “because he’s going to be rich not me. I’m going to get married to him and divorce him so that I can get his money.
Now, I know—AWALT. It didn’t surprise me that this woman was being a woman; what did surprise me was that she was so honest about it.
Female number one commented immediately after, “yeah, like, he gives you 90% of his stuff and he keeps 10%.” All 3 started laughing, and female #2 responded, “I could live with that.”
At this point, hamster primed, female number 3 joins the conversation: “I mean like, he’s going to keep on making money, so he should give us more money.”
Females one and two both agreed.
Lessons to be learned
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AWALT. While not all women will express their true feelings so casually, every woman on Earth thinks selfishly, in her own interest. This is very important to understand. AS men, we are brought up to help others. We are taught the concepts of loyalty and honor, and we are taught that being a “gentleman,” i.e. putting others above yourselfs shows character. Women do not abide by a similar ethical code. They put themselves first, and do not give a shit about you.
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Test a woman if you plan to LTR her. Tell her that you want a pre-nup. As female number two said, she doesn’t want to marry a man who wants a pre-nup. You should not want to marry a woman who doesn’t want a pre-nup. Better yet, don’t’ get married.
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If applicable, Hide your wealth. Do not let these golddiggers find out how much is in your wallet. Move your wealth overseas, and hire a tax attorney to make sure you don’t break any laws. Protect yourself in every which way possible.
- Trust no one. These women were in their early twenties. Let that sink in. Women this young already plan on deceiving you, financially handicapping you, and using the system to their advantage. Your woman is not special. She is female. She is prone to woman-like behaviors, and is simply not capable of being the good-natured person your BP self thought she could and would be.
Stay safe brothers.

SpeedMetalPunker 10y ago
Yeah. Marriage really is the way to go, not. Relationships in and of themselves seem as toxic as this. This is just like my cousin's girlfriend. She'd call his house several times a day, nag him for his money, then fuck off for 2 weeks, come back, rinse and repeat. He drops a ton of money on her, he spent like 200 on a ring or a bracelet for her. It's only a matter of time before he gets trapped.
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I was chatting with a 19-year old, pretty, outwardly reserved/conservative intern recently. Without any prompting on my part, she said that she and her girlfriends always joked that "your first marriage is for money, second marriage is for love."
Awwww... isn't that so romantic?
liftweights 11y ago
Im in my car eating lunch and "let's get married" is playing on the local pop radio station. lmao
JayViceroy 11y ago
Your friends consist of 3 worthless sluts and 4 worthless betas. Don't forget:
"You are the company you keep."
Get new friends. The girls are losers and the beta mentality these guys supposedly possess is toxic.
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Or...OP wants to be the alpha of the group. OP is smart and chose weak friends so he can look like a badass.
WordsNotToLiveBy 11y ago
I'm guessing OP does have a little hint of beta in him, as well. I mean he's sitting around taking all this verbal abuse from these hamsters and doesn't say anything like the other betas around him.
Aerobus 11y ago
These aren't my only 'friends,' and even then these are people I occasionally talk to. I'm not close with any of them, we just know each other and live in the same building.
That said, I do understand your point, and like others have pointed out, I understand the importance of dropping them.
LongElm 11y ago
Nah dude, keep your friends. Knowledge is power. These friends will keep you grounded and test you. They're a litmus test and homies you can call up for beers when you need a second
AnarchyBurger101 11y ago
Hey man, it's hard finding quality friends in the trailer park. ;)
oldredder 11y ago
true but he found an honest to goodness shit barometer.
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There's nothing wrong with listening to what these people say. Often they serve as a stark reminder regarding how messed up society is.
At University I heard a 'friend' talking to her friends about how she needed to find a guy to marry. It went something like this
Girl 1: "I just realized I'm going to have over $100,000 in debt when I graduate" Girl 2: "You better find your self a man!" Girl 1: "Yes! Once I get a husband then I can just split my debt in half!"
I agree that their mentality is toxic, but the reminders never hurt
anecdotal 11y ago
I was seeing a girl and broke up with her (almost) immediately after hearing she had well over $100,000 in student loan debt with some shitty degree in music recording. Not federal loans either--private, high interest loans. Terrifying. I see her on Facebook still and now she's into some kind of pyramid scheme selling body wraps or something.
slashd 11y ago
I'm always wondering what will become of these people when they are 40~50, drowning in debt they will never pay off and without a job or partner to bail them out...
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If you have money (lots of) one important thing is to marry under "separation of property", in german "gütertrennung". This way the money you had before the wedding stays your money. If you did not build any wealth during marriage there is nothing to split.
Pre-nup ensures a lengthy legal battle, nothing else. Do it, but dont trust it.
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dicklord_airplane 11y ago
we are seeing the rise of what we could call 'toxic femininity', and mainstream culture either encourages it, or it's just ignored like we might ignore immoral actions of a popular celebrity.
"yeah rockstars and actors may treat women like shit or may be actual rapists, but, you know, they're so hot and awesome!"
"yeah lots of girls may treat men like shit and actively exploit them through the legal system without remorse, but, you know, they're so hot and awesome!"
many of our young female peers were raised without any moral compass whatsoever. they were raised to believe that the definition of 'good' is whatever benefits themselves or women at large.
i've never been religious, but i'm beginning to think that religious girls are the only option for commitment. religious girls might actually have some sense of moral obligation and integrity, but being religious also brings a lot of irrationality and outright insane thinking. i've seen plenty of religious girls rationalize their reprehensible choices by claiming that the urges in their head are the words of god.
cover20 11y ago
There's a thread on /r/relationships (think I am not supposed to link it) about a woman who says her husband has "taken her off her pedestal".
He: 32, from money, good job, fat, probably used to be socially clueless She: 36, from no money, no education, retail manager, cute.
She says she married him for the validation he used to give. I think she married betabucks for the bucks.
Bucks is now waking up before she gets a good claim to too many bucks and treating her as good for nothing but sex. He doesn't validate her any more.
People are telling her to go to marriage therapy. I don't think it will help, this guy has woken up and have said so in the thread. It's funny.
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Aerobus 11y ago
You are right, you are not supposed to link it. Use redditlog or archive.today. That is fine
I saw that thread. You're absolutely right. She wanted beta bucks. Now that the beta is beginning to act alpha, she is scared because she wants the security of the beta, and he isn't giving that to her.
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SupALupRT 11y ago
I can disagree with someone on some topics and still be their friend. He doesnt have to marry any of these lunatics.
YaBoiTibzz 11y ago
A lot of times it may be girls like these or no friends-that-are-women at all. These kinds of attitudes are socially acceptable now, as you can see it's just part of casual conversation. And if I dropped all my female friends I'd basically be dropping a lot of male friends as well, or at least seeing them a lot less, since they're friends with the same people. I can see the utility in associating with them, distasteful as they may be.
havelbrandybuck 11y ago
Because you can use women to integrate yourself into their social circle; increasing accessibility to more women. I told my male friend this last night at a party, and he demonized me, before bursting out in laughter.
laere 11y ago
Is it just me, or is this one of the big reasons why I can't befriend females? I have had tons of female friends, companions in the past, but just conversations like this literally ruin it for me. Reality really hits you like a truck, and I could not sit and listen to 3 girls talking about divorce raping a guy like it's no big deal.
dicklord_airplane 11y ago
keep your enemies close so that you can understand them and be prepared for them.
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I am not OP, but I am friends with people I fundamentally disagree with. It keeps everyone in the friend group from becoming too radicalized. One of my friends in the type of feminist that does not see anything wrong with a world where only females exist because stem science allows the removal of men. She and I disagree quite often, but it keeps both of us honest. Life is too short to spend your time only agreeing with everyone around you. I want to be challenged at times.
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i agree with your explanation; it reminds me that people actually think and react differently than i would. although i may disagree with them, it grounds me and reminds me to be modest
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you're not going to be challenged by these fuckwits that's for sure.
dreamssmelllikeyou 11y ago
ask your feminist friend where she sees herself after the artificial uterus becomes a reality :)
elevul 11y ago
More like sex bots. Artificial uterus won't change much.
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I will judge people by their friends.
[deleted] 11y ago
So be it. I am I, and my friends are my friends. I am fine with who my friends are and I am fine if they are used to judge me.
nzgs 11y ago
Someone who sees nothing wrong with social-engineering the disappearance of men is a sociopath and possibly harbours some far more disturbing views. I don't see how you can conflate such an attitude with not being "too radicalised". Personally I would find it very difficult to maintain a friendship with someone of such extreme left-wing views in the same way it would be impossible with a radical christian or muslim.
cover20 11y ago
You haven't lived long or been very perceptive about conditions in the world, if you have not learned to maintain frame in the presence of bad shit yet.
nzgs 11y ago
Being "in the presence" of someone is not being their "friend". Are you incapable of reading or just a moron?
hamsterbator 11y ago
It is fine for him to be friends with these cunts, but he should definitely be a man and call them out on their bullshit.
In all likelihood as long as he doesn't start throwing around the term "redpill" they will probably respect him more and might even learn a thing or two.
This was a shit-test. The proper response was to laugh bemusedly and call them out for being gold-digging whores.
no_face 11y ago
In general, you shouldn't care. There is no compulsion on anyone to go around calling people out. The world is too large and too many people have beliefs that won't be congruent with yours.
Not everything is a shit-test. Unless OP was hitting on them, it probably wasn't a test, its bitches being bitches.
redzorp 11y ago
I dunno. I think it is a smart strategy to sometimes be quiet and just let people talk. The more they have their guard down around you, the more valuable intel you will get into how people (esp. women) REALLY think.
hamsterbator 11y ago
I think if you're a fun guy and you can make them laugh grils will still pretty much tell you anything. They're already proclaiming themselves to be gold digging whores. You can declare it to the whole table in a way that makes everyone laugh and still call them out for their bullshit.
rpscrote 11y ago
A salient post from a guy named hamsterbator
Channel_oreo 11y ago
I don't call my female friends BS because i don't take them seriously anymore. As long as they are my friends and not my partner/gf/wife it is ok. These wretched bitches are so entitled that they get riled up in the most smallest things and gang upon you if you disagree with them. It is best to just keep them as friends to constantly remind you that red pill is right. Keep you friends close but your enemies closer.
Doctor_Mayhem 11y ago
I would've been like, "Hey, guys? Are you seeing this shit? And I bet you wanna date one of these little gold-diggers. Fuuuuuuck... And you girls wonder why I'm such an asshole. Good thing I'm getting a prenup in an Iron Man suit."
Fuck spitting game, these whores are beyond toxic.
Wheyman92 11y ago
Those "whores" aren't "toxic. They're women. They're utilizing the system to their advantage. They are operating no different from politicians who redistrict cities to benefit them, or any capitalist, or you when you workout in order to make yourself more attractive, etc.
Calling people out on their bullshit, if not done in the correct manner, will generally result in your frame being lost and subsequently being dragged into their frame.
Doctor_Mayhem 11y ago
You know what, as much as I hate that bullshit NAWALT argument, at the very least, there are women who are gonna maintain at least some pretense of being decent women.
I mean, holy fuck, it's like as though women have goddamn agency and free will.
This is one of the main problems with society. Rather than call out toxic behavior for what it is, we excuse this bullshit as, "Oh, but they're just women." Stop it. Stop excusing these toxic whores and call them what they are.
Shame is a powerful motivator for someone to act right. Judgment is alpha as fuck.
Be alpha, be judgmental, shame those stupid whores.
Aerobus 11y ago
Edit: These people aren't my only friends. In fact, they're more like acquaintances that I occasionally hang out with because why not? I don't take any of these people seriously, and the actual close friends I have in my life don't believe in this nonsense. That said, I did read people's comments in response to this, and I have taken everything you've all said into consideration.
To keep appearances. You think I want people to suspect me of supporting MRA, TRP, PUA? Hell no. I make "friends" with the most SJW of women to not be a suspect.
You have to mentally train yourself to not give in to their bullshit and develop some thick skin to withstand their hatred of men. Months ago, if I were to sit through that conversation, I would not be able to keep my temper. When this conversation happened, I smiled and kept eating, not letting it affect me.
juanqunt 11y ago
Very good application of the 48 laws of power. People who don't act like this are either gullible or are in a much much better position already.
R_E_D_1 11y ago
I'm with you here. I like having a few crazy SJW females around to remind me of the nuttiness out there and what it could do to me if I stop steering the ship.
I was a self-conditioned semi-blue pill for 20 years. Most of them during my formative courtship age. I have to keep reminding myself every day of what these girls are capable of, otherwise I fear I may slip and get run over. In few more years I should be immune to that though. Not sure if I'll keep 'em around at that point.
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Cmon_Just_The_Tip 11y ago
I would have told them they fucking suck, and excused myself from the table.
Moldy_Gecko 11y ago
Why don't you fuck all three to prove AWALT and all that?
cover20 11y ago
Hell yes, it's fun to interact with all sorts of people. Without this, he could not have come back and delivered this entertaining and informative FR.
If girls are gold digging, it probably makes more sense to pump and dump, or tease them about it. Calling them out directly is pretty pointless and they don't deserve such straightforwardness.
rpscrote 11y ago
in fact, "calling someone out" any time that person is a woman is nearly always a fail. It just shows you can't play the game since you have to resort to explicit responses. Sometimes it's the right move -- nuclear dread etc -- but much of the time its too much. Show them you know the game, and you play it better. A&A, pressure flip, ignore/disregard... we have many tools
Overkillengine 11y ago
This is the salient point when someone wants to get all Anger phase and "call someone out on their shit."
cover20 11y ago
Revenge (for the games a gold digger tries to pull) is a dish best served cold.
JayViceroy 11y ago
I don't hang out with fat people so that fat people think I don't hate them. Your logic is terrible.
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IDefyAxioms 11y ago
It really depends on OP's situation. If he's in Uni (Universities in the U.S. notoriously follow feminist rhetoric), or in an office setting, then blending in to gain leverage/make connections/advance is necessary to some degree.
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But why would you want to make that your life?
loddfavne 11y ago
I think redpill is dark triad. Machiavellism. Manipulating people to your advantage. That means plenty of socialization. Dinners, smalltalk and clubbing. Whatever is required to get ahead. For narsissism to work properly, you not only need to perform functionally, you need to showcase your work to people. For this to work you need to have those people around. Some times you meet outside the usual enviroment. Keep it exciting so you can show all sides of yourself. And, third: Psychopathic behavior. People are people. Have integrity, but play the game. This means listening to peoples bullshit without feeling the urge to comment just because someone has feelings. Don't be a wuzz, be a rock instead. Project power with action, not with talk about opinions and feelings.
Aerobus 11y ago
I get your point, but almost everyone at university is left-wing and believes in some sjw nonsense. It's hard to find people that don't believe in any of this bullshit at all.
rpscrote 11y ago
and thus not buying the line is a differentiator and an attractive trait when properly executed
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rpscrote 11y ago
Depends on your definition of camouflage... I went through all of university and never once agreed or implied I agreed with SJW garbage. When people start giving me the same old tired lines about it, I'd just laugh at them, smirk and refuse to engage. If they ask I would A&A mock it/them.
My favorite is when they want some stupid fucking new pronoun or some shit, I start calling them Xenu and asking them if they have a space DC-10, ask them if they can help me out with my body thetans.
johnnight 11y ago
how do you know it's not pluralistic ignorance.
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cover20 11y ago
It's a good reason to major in something like engineering instead. Though that's much harder and would put you in the presence of no fuckable women. A great thing about hardcore STEM is that social justice and political correctness have no place. You don't have to check your logic at the door.
gg_s 11y ago
Engineering student here. Social justice and political correctness are still present in STEM. You will find a lot of workplace diversity bullshit mixed in with the regular curriculum, and even more in the electives. Fortunately my classes are all-male and my instructors are all ex-military and very red pill. We have a good laugh about it.
Stand_Your_Ground_ 11y ago
I had to do an 2 subjects in Chemical Engineering about diversity. Secondly in my other degree in economics completed a few years later It was mandatory to do a subject called "management" when in actuality it was on "managing a diverse work environment that promotes equality."
Cultural marxism seeks to poison all areas of society. It cares not for logic.
nzgs 11y ago
No it isn't. Start a group. Don't just wait for like-minded people to come along. Universities are full of self-interested idiots which is why Marxists have used them as recruitment grounds for decades. You have to pro-actively find people like you. Most decent universities will have a libertarian or free-thinkers society and its common in such groups to find a general distrust of feminism, marriage and the modern social narrative.
JayViceroy 11y ago
Hard and impossible are two different things. Consider joining college republicans or a similar group that has focuses that are beyond all the pro-absolutely-fucking-everything in the US. Find the people that aren't just following in everyone else's dumb ass footsteps. To follow a cause because of something you don't really care about is insane to me.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
I couldn't hang around cunts like that. I got all my sjw resistance training back in my college days.
deaduponaviral 11y ago
True that, I thought college was going to be a melting pot of ideas and perspectives where people were open minded and willing to debate any topic. NOPE! Just SJW liberal feel-good boys and girls who were there to experiment with drugs and sex before finding a job at daddy's office or in marketing.
watersign 11y ago
It used to be, now its a marxist indoctrination center. if you want to go to college and learn something useful, you need to study accounting or engineering or one of the hard sciences. i dont even think its worth it these days, studying that stuff..but if you HAVE to go...STEM + Accounting. Alot of STEM'ers look down on business degrees but many big corporations hire business majors and focusng on accounting is a good skill to have
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Ah, I remember being as equally naive. And being MASSIVELY LET DOWN when I turned up. Critical thinking was so absent it was moot. College is more akin to an SJW liberal indoctrination centre than it is a centre of rational, critical learning.
Sounds about right. But that's because they let a lot of stupid people into university nowadays. It's a business now, it's not solely about academia/the love of knowledge/the advancement of knowledge anymore. The universities get rich letting people in who are too stupid to be there because of all the tuition they can collect, and the government pays all the student loans that the majority will never be able to afford to fully pay back because they want the population to indebt themselves with govt approved indoctrination. It's sad, dysfunctional, unpragmatic, pathetic, and bad for the economy. When something like 40% of graduates don't have a job in their educational speciality, you can see how college has become a joke and just makes little economic sense for huge swathes of the population. Not to mention the four years of lost earnings you endure whilst learning trite.
https://twitter.com/IllimitableMan/status/560247549148545024
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no_respond_to_stupid 11y ago
But the TRP point is that all cunts are cunts like that, no? Are you saying you're a MGOTW'er?
Aerobus 11y ago
I'm currently in university. I'm going through the training process. But I agree, and I don't hang around with these folk all day.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
You will drop these people and move on in the future I suspect. Their only value to you is to be used for training so you can resist/tolerate when need be and "blend in" with such people. Seeing as they are the majority, this is of course a necessary skill.
The higher your value and self-perception, the less you will want to tolerate their babbling. I get rather annoyed by all manners of insufferable bullshit. Advertising (I watch very little TV though,) groups of young girls talking, beta boys acting like faggots. Men hamstering. I actively avoid ALL and ANY such behaviour. I have a limited group of friends, all red pill alphas who know their shit. They all know about this place, but were pretty unplugged before I introduced them to TRP. Time is money, and time is finite. I only have one life. I don't want to spend it listening to the insane ramblings of ideological idealists devoid of critical thinking. Whenever I'm stuck with people like this and can't escape, I adopt amused mastery and ruthlessly mock them. It's passive aggressive but it's the only socially accepted successful way of fucking with them. Amused mastery is basically "the troll approach." These people are toxic, they are losers. Once you "get your training" avoid 'em at all costs.
University is SJW central, you're in the thick of the blue there.
RobertCarraway 11y ago
Advertising really gets under my skin. I take great pleasure in forming a negative opinion of a company based upon how stupid they assume their average patron is. TV is just as bad though; it's ideologically, intellectually, and morally toxic.
I live with a moronic SJW and I've reached a breaking point where I can no longer tolerate censoring myself constantly around her in my own home. My every thought is offensive to her bubble gum reality.
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Have you read any Ernest Junger?
IllimitableMan 11y ago
No, why do you ask?
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md619 11y ago
You're rationalizing. There's plenty of people out there who don't openly support TRP but still tend to lean towards a more red pill way of thinking.
Find cool guys who get laid. They are always naturally redder than average guys. They don't have to match your opinions exactly but it's a lot more pleasant to be around. There's no reason to torture yourself.
And when you associate with cool guys who get laid, people automatically you're a cool guy who gets laid. Associate with beta loses and people assume you're a beta loser. Sum of the 5 people you hang out with.
Aerobus 11y ago
Fair points. This really speaks to me:
Fuck_shadow_bans 11y ago
Read the Gervais Principle #3 (iirc) it talks about social dynamics within the beta groups.
El_Serpiente_Roja 11y ago
cosign on the gervais principle
excellent reading
bustanutmeow 11y ago
Do you have a link to that please?
El_Serpiente_Roja 11y ago
http://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/
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oldredder 11y ago
With the same audacity at work a woman said to another standing right beside me she hoped to find a man to get pregnant and take him for child support. This wasn't a known man, she had yet to meet the man to do this to. Of course one with money. Plus she was 36 so this is babies-rabies age.
Pure audacity. Not even a hint of shame.
I said right there to the 2nd woman (had a previous conversation to this): that's why I'm single.
At least in the past a woman might feel the need to hide such a plan or frame of mind but now they know they can act with pure impunity. And there's this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48qUJ1puE7M which only further shows the audacity to say such things publicly with pride instead of with shame.
cbarrett1989 11y ago
I would say that sometimes marriage is worth it if you can hold frame forever. I'm getting married in a week but my future wife insisted on a prenup for both of our sales. For her because she makes more than me and for me because I'm planning on starting a business soon.
There's no downside to marrying her though, we fuck 8 times a day, have the exact same habits, sense of humor and both put each other first. We both agreed not to let the other slack in the keeping I. Shape department. Plus if anything ever dis happen, I'm legally safe, have a great gym body and all of my assets intact. Win-win-win.
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icecow 11y ago
According to someone else in this thread prenups only apply to the assets going in to the marriage and does not account for $$ made after the hitch.
oldredder 11y ago
well that's not true: pre-nups can declare, if agreed, assets after marriage as well go to who earned them but that doesn't mean a judge has to abide. Judges love to destroy prenups to show their arrogance.
cbarrett1989 11y ago
Very true but our prenup states that the joint account will be split 50/50. Any custody of future kids will be 50/50 and neither of us pays alimony.
Trust me I thought this through.
Crushric 11y ago
I usually only hear women say this in the context of jokes. You know, the ones where they say the complete god's-honest truth, but disguise it as a joke in order to get away with it in public.
Seems like the women near you don't even give that much of a shit about it.
Dragontitz 11y ago
Jokes all have hints of truth
Aerobus 11y ago
I know these girls. I guarantee you they were not joking.
AnarchyBurger101 11y ago
Do they have reserved seats at the free clinic? :D
raceAround126 11y ago
I can very much confirm hide your wealth.
I've personally had women go through an overnight personality transplant when one of my dumbass friends would blab about what I have and postulating what my income is.
I've also seen the most chill girl turn into a raving psychopath when I would dump them for changing strategy on me when they find out I have money.
Hide everything. Wealth, anything that would suggest that you could be wealthy, I'd even say go as far to not reveal your true career. Anyone knows a heart surgeon is going to be making stacks. Tell her you're a space shuttle test pilot or that you make paperclips. Any time she tries to confirm, make something else up just for fun.
Arxces 11y ago
Could you share with us some stories?
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raceAround126 11y ago
I mean make it sound absurd. It allows you to make fun of her question in a good way. Advocating that you are a laundry technician for Nasa allows for some amusing and blatantly inventive bullshit.
Mihawk01 11y ago
To be honest, if the system is rigged so as to make it so easy for women to get money, any woman that does not it do, is losing out.
Think out it. Imagine you lived in a place where everyone stole from the government. If you didn't do it, that would just be silly from you, since everyone else will do it. You do not blame the people, you just change the system.
So yeah, not right or wrong, all that ethics is just bullshit to control people, what really needs changing is the system for this not to happen.
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jfisch223 11y ago
What is a pre-nup? I'm a little bit of a novice when it comes to the terminology
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Something that can significantly decrease your chances of committing suicide.
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trp_gremlin 11y ago
Prenuptial agreement. It is not RP specific. It is commonly known and used term.
It should be a contract in which both parties agree to keep whatever property they have had coming into the marriage after they divorce.
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Something that can significantly decrease your chances of committing suicide.
janyk 11y ago
A comment so nice you clicked "Save" twice!
lolwat_is_dis 11y ago
Surely shit like this is limited to America? I've never heard of crap like this being spouted around in other countries.
oldredder 11y ago
reporting from Canada: women are openly saying such things here with no fear at all for being shamed or considered evil whore-demons.
chris9149 11y ago
It's a western woman thing. I don't hear or see any of that in SE Asia. I'm sure they think about it but they are brought up with good feminine morals over here. Cook, clean, make some babies. Let the man lead and always submissive. It sounds kinda bad as I type it out but it is actually great. I can't imagine dating back in America ever again.
Deep_freeze202 11y ago
If you call women on their shit when they say things like that they just dismiss it and try to play it off like they were only joking, RP men know better.
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The funny thing is it's evident that /u/duckspeed doesn't either.
oldredder 11y ago
google it. I did and got the answer. And a funny picture.
we_kill_creativity 11y ago
What does AWALT stand for? I looked for it in the Glossary of Terms and Acronyms thing and got nothing.
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Please read all the sidebar materials. Looking in the glossary is good, you're on the right track, but you will not be getting the full meaning of the discussions and recommendations in this sub if you are not fully informed of the background information.
However, as you asked; AWALT = "All Women Are Like That"
we_kill_creativity 11y ago
Thanks, maybe that needs to be added to the glossary section I was referencing? It is an acronym.
I feel like I read most of the sidebar material when I first subbed here and for some reason I don't recall ever seeing that particular acronym explained. But maybe I just missed it.
I've been subbed here for awhile and just don't comment much. Nothing against this sub. I don't know why, but the subs I participate in the most are r/nascar and r/conspiracy. And I view posts from here, and look through the discussions, everyday. I guess I see enough people saying exactly what I would that I don't know what I would add.
DanG3 11y ago
So what would one do or say to any guy who started getting "LTR-serious" in a relationship with these bitches?
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Give him a gun with 2 bullets?
cbarrett1989 11y ago
I would say that sometimes marriage is worth it if you can hold frame forever. I'm getting married in a week but my future wife insisted on a prenup for both of our sales. For her because she makes more than me and for me because I'm planning on starting a business soon.
There's no downside to marrying her though, we fuck 8 times a day, have the exact same habits, sense of humor and both put each other first. We both agreed not to let the other slack in the keeping I. Shape department. Plus if anything ever dis happen, I'm legally safe, have a great gym body and all of my assets intact. Win-win-win.
chris9149 11y ago
8 times a day?! Man I thought I had a healthy sexy al appetite but I can imagine regularly fucking 8 times per day. Does that even leave time for anything else to get done?
denmaur 11y ago
That will come to a screeching halt real soon.
cbarrett1989 11y ago
Yeah, usually it's inbetween the fucking. Our usual schedule is once or twice in the morning before I go to work, twice when I get home, hit the gym together, twice when we get home and twice before bed. It's a busy schedule but if I don't do it, someone else will lol.
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oldredder 11y ago
Of course, that would never happen and no one here will condone it. (cough, cough)
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 11y ago
Okay, you are a sociopath. Now how about GTFO, people are here to improve their mastery of an imperfect society, not destroy it unto Mad Max anarchy.
icecow 11y ago
I don't know if you deserve any upvotes, but I'm amazed what replies people will take effort to downvote. Your reply isn't special, but this makes me wonder if the purest wisdoms are buried -47 downvotes under with the downvoted trash comments.
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oldredder 11y ago
Don't be ridiculous. It was a clear and obvious car crash because of lack of maintenance on the car and fully documented so no one's at fault.
Aerobus 11y ago
You're actually on to something here. Is it better to pay 10-20K for a hitman and take 10 years in prison vs losing hundreds of thousands that you've saved up over the years by being frugal and working your way up the career ladder?
With murder, and prison, you lose out on some years of your life. But with alimony, you remain shackled for the rest of it.
Honestly, I'm not going to fault men for choosing prison over paying the bitch large sums of money.
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Hatorader 11y ago
He gets prison if he gets caught. And he won't get caught without any evidence.
COGofSOUTHbend 11y ago
Dude. You just going to get us a bad name. You need to be sly about that shit ice t says those that know don't say and those that don't know say.
Learn that shit.
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Aerobus 11y ago
I wasn't trying to show off how "edgy and cool" I am.
I wasn't joking.
The fact is some men out there aren't afraid of prison. Some men don't care. For those men, I do wonder whether they'd rather go to prison and serve their time, be it 10, 20, or 40 years instead of paying alimony and child support. I wouldn't. I think prison is worse, but I can understand the mentality of some men who would not want to live the rest of their life in servitude. They would be too prideful to do so.
I don't understand why that comment came across as "angry, beta-emotion driven shit." Nothing in my comment was emotional.
slashd 11y ago
How about fleeing the country and become an English teacher in China for example?
SOAADDICT 11y ago
There are so many, many ways out of alimony that don't destroy a man's whole life. That's why this is such angry boy-beta advice.
SOAADDICT 11y ago
Honestly, I was being generous and assuming what you said was colored by some sort of personal emotion, because if it wasn't it's an excellent example of a poor understanding of the long term consequences of your actions, which is something usually more associated with women and betas than TRP endorsed contributors.
And, even this comment is full of hamster wheel riding shit.
??? The man who considers paying alimony intolerable bondage is going to do well in prison, where he can't even make the decision about when and how to wipe his own ass?
This is absolutely true. You know what kind of men aren't afraid of prison? Those with little understanding of delayed gratification. The type who can't think long term and analyze how a rap sheet will severely limit his chances for upward mobility for the rest of his fucking life.
Do you think there's a lot of overlap between that guy and this guy?
I'll fill you in: there's not. The guy who ain't afraid of prison is also the guy who ain't afraid to blow all his money on a risky venture, or run up debt he can't pay for, or get a third DUI costing him tens of thousands of dollars. He's a guy with a poor understanding of risk/reward and delayed gratification.
So, I have to assume you are usually able to look at the long term ramifications of things before you advise them, or you wouldn't be endorsed. But I don't see any of that in these posts, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're just on some "she hurt me so I'll hurt her worse" newbie anger phase shit.
Aerobus 11y ago
I stand by my comments. I still don't see any "hamster wheel riding shit," and I've been on TRP for over a year. You made a good point when you said this:
Other than, I don't know why you take offense to what I said. The fact of the matter is there are men out there who might actually go through with killing their wives and going to prison instead of paying alimony. I find the mindset that those men have to be interesting.
I'm not in the anger phase, and I don't think that like.
By the way, regarding your post about someone becoming unendorsed: I don't know if the sub does that. While this might not be my best post, it is an account of something that did happen. In order for someone to become endorsed, they have to submit multiple quality posts. Search what I have submitted to this sub and judge for yourself. If you still think that I'm some newbie in the anger phase, I cannot help you because, if that were true, the mods wouldn't endorse me to begin with. They're not stupid.
SOAADDICT 11y ago
If you are just analyzing the mindset, which I do find interesting, as well as the push factors that would land someone there, then I misunderstood your post. I was under the impression that like the person you were replying to you were advocating for this course of action (he said: "I feel like more men should just pay a hitman $10-20K to kill the bitch, than get fucked in the ass in divorce court." and you started your post saying "You're on to something here."), but if you were simply saying it's interesting and bears analysis as a thought experiment, I understand that.
I have to think though, that as a thought experiment, the only real logical conclusion would be that throwing away 20+ years of your life and your potential for upward mobility for any bitch would be a beta move.
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Aerobus 11y ago
I have no idea what you are going on about. None of my comments have been emotional, and I didn't change my position about anything. I have no position. I was talking about the fact that some men out there may actually choose prison over alimony, because they don't want to give their wives any money.
That idea didn't occur prior. I didn't realize that some men out there would think that way until I read the comment I responded to.
I really have no idea what you are getting at, and shaming me isn't going to change my mind. Also, I highly advise you to watch what you say on this subreddit, because if the mods catch you tone policing like that, there is a good chance you will be banned, swiftly.
MachiavellianRed 11y ago
I got ya. God, you're probably one of the "newest ECs" I've ever seen the members give such a hard time. And it's not like your posts are terrible/wrong or anything. I'd say it's more of a reflection of the vocal newbie minority, than it is of you.
metalwarriors 11y ago
Just put all that money into a trust that can't be touched by a divorce court.\
EDIT: That sounds like a good idea to me, but someone with knowledge in the matter might want to chime in on the particulars.
oldredder 11y ago
davincij15 on youtube put tons into bitcoin, since it was like 50 cents per. His evil wife decided on divorce-rape for cash & prizes, admits he didn't do anything wrong, she doesn't care.
He left for Chile with bitcoins and never returned. He kept all his money.
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MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 11y ago
Two words: Agent provocateuer.
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4benny2lava0 11y ago
I logged on here to get some perspective. The girl I have oneitis over is asleep on my shoulder right now. This is exactly what I needed to read to get that perspective.
Aerobus 11y ago
Good. Remember, she is not special. She is a woman. You remember that and you'll do fine.
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Aerobus 11y ago
It actually did. You can claim r/thathappened all you want, but the fact of the matter is this did happen. I don't post bullshit on TRP. It would do injustice to the subreddit.
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Really? Why hang out with these cretins? I've had countless chats about prenups and nearly every girl I know says they'd sign one out of principle, requesting variable amounts depending on whether or not they stayed at home with the kids etc. In fact, in a lecture a year ago a fem-soc committee member made the argument that a feminist shouldn't take more money than she was due and that pre-nups were a great idea.
Heck, in the two real life examples I can think of where friends of parents have divorced their high-income earning husbands they both took far less than they could have done. One of their ex-husbands earns £1m per year, and she gave up her career to look after the kids. Ended up splitting up with him and married the biggest wet blanket I've ever met who earns substantially less. She took £500k. My little sister - and mum, in fact - are also massively against how easily men are fleeced in divorce.
In fact:
That entire paragraph is absolute bullshit from my personal experience. It undermines all the solid aspects of TRP.
Aerobus 11y ago
I didn't know they were going to say these thins. I can't predict the future.
Two things about AWALT: One, while not all women do that, all women are like that. Second, while some women might change and realize how unfair things are for men, their default state is to be selfish and put themselves first. And most women stay in that default state.
evilkenevil 11y ago
Great words, well written. Thank you.
GREF_ 11y ago
I wish you had called them out on their female bullshit.
NeoreactionSafe 11y ago
This is reality these days.
In the old days women were prevented from these behaviors.
I was watching reruns of the Andy Griffith Show:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Andy_Griffith_Show
...and it's interesting that first wave Feminism (as well as other liberal ideas) were already being pushed into the culture and this was only 1960-1968. You could still get a slight taste of the pre-existing culture.
Women who are in their 80's now (like my mother) were raised when the women were much less capable of these types of things because the laws and the culture were hostile to womens bad behavior. They did secretly hold those selfish thoughts, but repressed them most of the time. Bad behavior exposed to the public was heavily punished.
If by now men haven't gotten the clue they are truly Beta.
Being here on Red Pill means you understand history as well as see todays truths.
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I mean you HAVE to punish and mitigate women's bad behavior. Look what happens when we don't. The fucking society has become a joke and is collapsing in on itself. You cannot let women run wild and have LESS accountability than men. They should have MORE accountability, based on the selfish reasoning behind most of their actions.
NeoreactionSafe 11y ago
This is why it never makes any sense when someone on Red Pill suggests that men of past time periods were clueless Betas.
During most of human history men have been pretty wise to women's ways and structured society to control women's base instincts.
The stupidity has only emerged in the last 100 years with the last 50 being the worst.
Beta is in a sense a new invention... it's the present that is Beta, not the distant past.
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I agree, the older societies were much smarter about it. Like you said, they were wise to their ways and made efforts to stop them.
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This is Open Hypergamy in action. Women have now deemed it acceptable, since it's woven into the fabric of society, to announce their plans to men in a show of confidence of victory. They literally not only intend to have their cake and eat it, they are thrilled at the fact they're getting away with it and want you to know they are.
EDIT: The best part is also the plausible deniability woven into conversation. If you would have taken the notion to call one of them out on their bullshit they would have proceeded to say they were joking, that you're taking things to seriously, that you're just insecure.
InfiniteBauer 11y ago
I'm curious, what is the redpill stance on relationships with women who make/have more money than you?
MGTOW_player 11y ago
If you're a "Chad Thundercock" that type of relationship can work out quite well. Straight up money, gifts, even trips.
Only talking about dating here, not marriage.
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It's generally a bad idea to be in that situation. Women don't respect men who make less, unless they make up for it in a big way in another area which is attractive to the female (eg, holds a position of power).
RamenAvenger 11y ago
I married a woman who had and made much more money than me. Then during our 5 year marriage I started making more money. She handled our accounting (said she wanted to). Now that we are getting divorced I have found that she systematically set up our finances so she could take everything in case we ever got divorced, and sure enough she's doing it. We have two houses, guess how many of them she wants? If she gets her way I will walk away with a net worth of $20K and an alimony payment, and she will walk with a net worth of $400K.
They're all the same man, watch your ass.
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cover20 11y ago
How did she do that? Normally the financial gain during the marriage is split in half, with adjustment for taking care of children, alimony etc. I think an exception is inheritances, which aren't split unless you put them in the pool.
So how could she set up accounts so they all go to her? Lawyer up and fight for them. And with a history of making "much more money" I don't see why any alimony would be fair.
RamenAvenger 11y ago
The accounting part is complicated so I won't get into it, but I'm lawyered up and we're fighting it. The chance of her getting alimony is near zero but she's just throwing in the kitchen sink to be nasty. She won't get everything that she wants but she's sure trying for it. Thanks for the support man.
oldredder 11y ago
as a special note lawyers cost money so if she moved enough money he couldn't even lawyer up. Thankfully his message says he already did.
Fuck_shadow_bans 11y ago
What's the problem in that? Money doesn't dictate your frame. Your willpower and actions do. You obviously run the risk of giving into society's narrative and falling into her frame, but if you are strong enough to resist it, there's no harm.
PedroIsWatching 11y ago
It's a well documented phenomenon that a career woman (has to be in control/responsible all the time at work) with more money than the male partner typically likes the man to be head of the household. It's like she wants a break from being dominant and just wants to be submissive for a while.
Not always, but more than you think.
Titan5000 11y ago
Well documented, and I speak from experience. My woman owns her own company, is a biomedical engineer, and makes 4 times what I make and basically makes her own schedule.
When she gets home, she begs to be dominated.
Imapancakenom 11y ago
I can vouch for this. I dated a career woman who was running her own business at the time and she said, quote verbatim: "I'm the boss at work, I don't want to be the boss at home."
But to answer the original question "what is the redpill stance on relationships with women who make/have more money than you?" I think the redpill answer is that if a woman makes more money than you, you can't really expect her to stay attracted to you for very long. The redpill stance is that it's the man's role to be the breadwinner, or at least the primary breadwinner. If a woman is out-earning you, you may be able to give her vagina-tingles at first with your charm and charisma or whatever, but don't be surprised if that doesn't last for the long haul. If she remains the primary breadwinner in the long run, it's very unlikely that her vagina will continue to tingle for you in the long run.
cover20 11y ago
If you're married and divorce, go for alimony then. The laws are supposedly gender-fair. Try at least.
SkorchZang 11y ago
It's good if you can pull it off... More than likely, she's going to have none of it, though.
The man's frame neeeds to be strong enough that he's completely unaffected by how much she makes relative to him, AND he needs to be attractive enough with what he's doing in his life that she falls head over heels for him.
Basically it's a beautiful thing... that only happens to male unicorns.
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I think it'd be easier to hold frame if you keep the knowledge "she only has more money BECAUSE she's a woman and whichever company pays her just wants to look good with a competent woman in that position. If I was a woman I'd be making more than her dumb ass"
SkorchZang 11y ago
Dude, if that's what you think, you're already down for the count...
You wanna be happy for her raking in the dough, but it has nothing to do with your own life and mission, which is vibrant and interesting enough (to you) that you truly don't care about the money - helps if you have enough for everything you need, and avoid trying to compete with her. Expensive dates for example, she takes you on one, now you need to take her to one...right? Wrong, you should simply take it as your due, stay cheery and perhaps take her "for icecream".
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bama79rolltide 11y ago
Tom Brady has accomplished much more than his wife. He is about to play in a NFL record 6th Super Bowl game.
I honeslty didnt know who his wife was until it hit sports tabloids. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Ryan Tannehill are the NFL players, that I see, who are alpha as fuck.
watersign 11y ago
yea these guys are outliers..even dudes who are top level business guys aren't even in the same league
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cover20 11y ago
Does his wife really make more than he does, even now when she's aging and he's going on to greater football accomplishments? he could make a ton if he did endorsements and advertisements.
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CockBruises 11y ago
It's easy to see why. Hell, she's 34 and looks a decade younger.
commanderchobo 11y ago
i never post in this sub reddit but this just makes me cringe. why would you ever hang out with people like that =/ and secondly, i mean i know its pointless but i would have called them out on their bullshit disregarding the shitstorm to follow because you lead by example and perhaps your beta friends could learn a thing or two.
hamsterbator 11y ago
right. you can laugh and call them out for being total gold digging whores. if anything it would probably make them respect you more for seeing through their bullshit. As long as you don't start throwing the term "theredpill" around there's no reason you can't speak your mind.
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I'd rather have people be honest with me about their intentions rather than have them be two-faced and deceitful. Sadly people only open up like this to others when they're extremely comfortable.
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srtor 11y ago
Exactly. I agree on both account. Specially it is pointless to argue with SJWs and feminazis. Absolutely.
As for betas, they need to understand what is happening around them. They need to wake up. TRP only can help but is not a 'teacher'. That is why TRP is mostly 'self improvement'. You have to work on you, change your focus on you and remember only you can make yourself happy!
SFofallplaces 11y ago
It seems to me, if one were really alpha, one would call it like he sees it and not give two fucks whether he is arguing fools. Drop a red bomb on the conversation and let the chips fall where they may. Is that not what holding frame is all about? Otherwise it’s meekness and submission.
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I'm not even surprised, man. I hope they find a nice white knight bitch and leave him crying his eyes out. This is the least they deserve.
Holden_Frame 11y ago
This is just silly. Taking 3 odious, vapid money hungry cunts talking like this and claiming AWALT? Are you a teenager? What kind of groups are you hanging out with?
I grew up around tons of women, worked in bars and seen / heard women at their most drunken and crass and have never seen a group say this kind of shit. Jokes about dick size? Sure. Calling guys creepy. Acting entitled. Etc. But outside of a trailer park or ghetto I don't know what class of women would be talking this kind of shit.
Then ...Lol @ this thread devolving into talk of killing women.
Seriously, can we get a "mature TRP" forum going? There seems to be a huge disconnect between the sub 28 angry autistic self proclaimed "dark triad" contingent and the group that generally wants to improve themselves and their ability to attract suitable partners.
Also. It doesn't really speak highly of you that you were just sitting there and they were running their mouths about this shit without you so much as challenging them. Sounds like you and the other guys say there as meek Betas. Not your responsibility to get into with it, But definitely bad form.
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WeCantHaveFun 11y ago
This would've been a great time to record and post to the internet.
The upside is that the world can laugh at the disgusting nature of western women while there is no downside since losing these "friends" is no loss at all.
iStillEatSnakes 11y ago
I appreciate all the don't get married talk i read the sidebar and i take the material and do with it what i want. Whethere i do or don't get married is not be dictated by my membership in an online forum.
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I appreciate all the don't jump from a high building talk whenever I read the sidebar and I take the material and I do what I want. Whether I do or do not jump from a high building is not dictated by an online forum.
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The facts are, the odds are all against you. She has no reason: financially or emotionally or physically to stay married to you.
iStillEatSnakes 11y ago
Very true, I know what the odds are and know what the laws are. My point being is that i'm not going to make a life decision based on what some twat that hangs out with other twats says on a forum.
Hes not the king of TRP, i read the sidebar and i read the discussions and i take what i want from it. The whole 'unsub if you don't agree' is horseshit.
anecdotal 11y ago
Does this even need to be said? I don't believe you have to preamble all your opinions with "in my opinion..." The opinion in a statement should be evident to the reader.
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I'm with you on this one. I can't help but question his endorsed status making such brazen comments ("either agree with me or leave"). That is nonsense, and starting the post with that "disclaimer" in the first place makes me raise an eyebrow. TRP does not hold ideological positions. Rather, it's a repository of information on the sexual market from an evo-psych perspective.
What you do with that information is up to you. If a man wants a successful marriage, TRP will be able to provide a wealth of information and tips to help him. It will not ensure success, but it will better his odds.
That aside, while it's true that the odds are against men, what's forgotten is that those odds contain beta pussies who don't know how to handle their women. If we analyzed the marriages of men who are in the top 20% (an objective metric of their overall "alphaness"), I'd wager the statistics would paint a much different picture than including BP faggots' inevitable failed marriages. The difference would be even greater for the top 10%.
oldredder 11y ago
Absolutely it does: one of them is partner-count being the best predictor of LTRs lasting. It isn't. It's cheat-count. And finances collapsing. Which should be no surprise in the era of highest ever debt owed, to levels which literally are unpayable, and men taking on debt of women they marry by the contract of marriage plus women being taught that cheating is OK by other women. A cheating woman will end a marriage faster than a woman who's had 20 partners more than you'd care for. But TRP ideology will not stand for that and banning will happen by making a point of that. Right here. Open discussion would be nice but that's not what we're about here, hence mod comment co6z26j banning someone for asking a question that doesn't fit OK with TRP ideology. I won't miss the guy, I admit, but ask 1 question that 'feels wrong' and you're banned? Really? That's unhelpful to a lot of learning.
Trail_of_Jeers 11y ago
It should be dictated by rational acceptance that it's a raw deal. We aren't saying "it is our opinion that marriage is a bad deal." it is, in fact, a bad deal.
But if you want to lose your money, that's on you.
FunAndFreedom 11y ago
I want to echo the sentiments of the people in this thread. You need to transition to a different social circle.
The people you are describing are not on a fast track to success and will not aid you in achieving any long term goals. When you are with more well connected individuals it opens up doors, you can treat those relationships as investments. Looking back on my 20's, I realize every second I spent with B-Tier individuals was a waste of my time while every second I spent with A-Tier individuals had provided great rewards both financially and socially.
Searching out motivated and successful people is preferable to silently nodding as an HB7 CC rider blathers on about her future divorce rape of a beta buck.
Trail_of_Jeers 11y ago
How does one meet these types of people, or even enjoy their company when it is far from one's original circle?
Statecensor 11y ago
You go out and find them. Even small cities are filled with clubs, social gatherings and all sorts of official activities. Find out who the power brokers are be friendly then make yourself useful without being their bitch. If they don't return the favor then move on to a new group or club until you find some people who can help you in your career or get a new one. Help can be anything from a new job to free tickets to a sports team your other coworkers are into. Its basic networking 101.
Remember if you want to be successful you need to learn how to be useful to someone first while getting what you want as well. None has ever been successful on their own and you typically find them pulling a whole train of people along behind them as well as someone pulling them forward also.
occupythekitchen 11y ago
Your disclaimer kind of pissed me off I think you should re read the sidebar. Theredpill is for all men to take and if they choose to marry to have a more fulfilling marriage for themselves with what they learn here.
iStillEatSnakes 11y ago
My point exactly, i read the disclamer and instantly got a bad taste in my mouth that tainted the rest of the thread. The old "you are the company that you keep" comes to mind.
the_red_scimitar 11y ago
The main thing OP fucked up there is making it a proclamation. It screams "I am the God of TRP".
Guess what? That isn't "TRP's" opinion, and people without that belief are welcome here. Maybe OP should start his own, since he seems to be claiming ownership of TRP.
Made me disinterested in the rest of his post which, from comments here, basically is "I hang out with dumbasses".
MachiavellianRed 11y ago
TRP's position on marriage is simple "it's rarely worth it." If we had an official position (we don't) it would be: "don't get married."
occupythekitchen 11y ago
I understand and that is obviously the default reason because the majority of women have been poisoned by the feminist mindset but we like to argue the psychological aspect of things. Well most men have a psychological need/desire to have children
Aerobus 11y ago
Thanks for clearing it up, I'll edit my OP to include this.
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occupythekitchen 11y ago
you'll never see me recommend it in fact I think the idea of marriage needs to be reformed
Aerobus 11y ago
If you want to get married be my guest. The position of TRP is to not get married. Ask any other EC or mod and they will tell you that TRP's position is to not get married.
What you do with your life is none of our business. If you want to get married go for it, but TRP does not encourage it.
nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago
I disagree that there's such a thing as an official position in TRP. We're not a political action committee after all.
In my mind, TRP is an ideology centered around accepting the truth, even if it's an ugly truth. The truth is, marriage is a bad deal for men today. So if anyone comes here and says, "no seriously it's fine" then I'd say that person hasn't taken the pill.
But someone who says, "I accept these risks" is perhaps dumb, but still informed.
PookIsLovePookIsLife 11y ago
TRP is about understanding. What you do with that knowledge is up to the individual.
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whatsazipper 11y ago
What part of the manosphere or TRP do you read that doesn't discourage marriage?
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Durrr. Marriage is for chumps. If it's not for political reasons, an LTR will suffice.
https://twitter.com/IllimitableMan/status/561595597653016576
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whatsazipper 11y ago
I've been finding it odd lately that more men around these parts try to claim that red pill thought is neutral regarding marriage. It really isn't. It all but outright condemns the travesty.
The problem is some men want to believe the old institution is still functioning and available. It isn't. It's been replaced but retains the name and the appearance. It's reckless to advise men otherwise.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
The blue/purple is leaking in. Newbs trying to dilute/change the ethos to fit their own views.
SOAADDICT 11y ago
What exactly is married red pill, then?
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occupythekitchen 11y ago
Yeah like my dad did, to a woman 15 years younger from the country side and have his first kid at 40 and be together almost 30 years later.
theredpill to me is an instrument but if I find a good woman with a good head in her shoulders my ultimate goal is to have children. Scared as hell to marry the wrong person so this is why I want to learn this topic so I can always be the alpha buck she only needs.
I agree with not encourage but my desire to have children is stronger than to always spin plates
50012544 11y ago
You don't need marriage to have children. If things go wrong outside wedlock you will only be paying child support. Otherwise add alimony on top of that. Your dad did, good for him. My dad did, he ended up living on the streets and now works minimum wage trying to get back on his feet.
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Good luck. If it were 1985 maybe you'd stand a chance. There's lots of things he did that you can't do as easily, like buy a house for 20 grand, get a job with a high school diploma, and have a functional marriage. Good luck to you though.
occupythekitchen 11y ago
yes the more I hang out with women, talk and listen to them the more I just want to choke them with my dick and leave it at that.
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favours_of_the_moon 11y ago
Take note, men of all ages.
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cover20 11y ago
Nah they know it's wrong. I think it's an interesting period we are in now, where women will reportedly tell the truth about such things, and also their N-count. Perhaps they think that entitles them to have men tell the truth about things like their income. Of course it does not ...
It seems that women know they have too much power and are apologizing or trying to atone for it. Women have a definite moralistic streak especially with each other -- even though they were just talking as sluts here.
There's also the matter of one upsmanship (upswomanship). Women are almost always competitive with each other. So when one shows how materialistic she is, another will try to say she's more materialistic. It's crazy I know.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
If I were friends with any of the girls you describe then you can be sure I would not be friends with them (nor they with me) after a short meal.
someguysomewhere321 11y ago
The main problem is that even RPish guys will fail to grasp that the harsh RP reality doesn't just apply to those obviously trashy type of girls that ride the cc and look for a betabucks exit later, but also to otherwise cool girls with a low partner count that you have a real connection with.
When times are tough she will not go out of her way to help you, but will quickly seek the easiest road (I.e. Moving back to her parents when you're broke or sick) as she will always see you as the one who makes or breaks the relationship, while you believe due to social brainwashing and history that LTRs are tighter than they actually are when there are socially acceptable ways out of them.
Historically there were none, but now everything is fair game, with women being very aware of this.
teniaava 11y ago
OP being a tool and trying to command people to leave a subreddit...
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I don't care if it's in her "Best interests", this shit always does and always will piss me the fuck off. Even as I gradually pass through the anger phase, this is goddamn infuriating.
dicklord_airplane 11y ago
I feel you. just remember that you are in total control of your life, and the anger will lessen over time. you don't have to get married and you don't have to impregnate anyone. you've identified the pitfall, so take solace in the fact that you're safe.
legauge 11y ago
It's true, it's about as infuriating as when your dog takes a shit in your living room. Take it outside and let the dog shit in the grass, don't punish him (too harshly,) it's nature taking its course.
Point is, to accept that woman are what they are, you need to realize that being selfish isn't a horrible thing. You, yourself and your being are the three first priorities in your life. Once you get past the selflessness that you've been educated, you will see no problem with how women act, lest they try to fuck over a friend of course, because it's simply in their nature.
Use the knowledge to navigate the treacherous seas of cunts and hoes you will encounter.
no_face 11y ago
If anything in this world is worse than an ex-wife, its the IRS
oldredder 11y ago
If there's a conspiracy meme I wish I could start it would be that all IRS collectors are trained only by ex-wives - "No, no, no, this is how you get all the money"
watersign 11y ago
i have friends who got married recently. in 5-10 years im going to be LOL'ing when this shit comes to fruition. women are bad people.
Neo-ReactionaryHarry 11y ago
Marriage is the social equivalent of playing Russian roulette with 3 of the chambers loaded. Two other chambers are filled with gas that will take away your balls and paralyze you. Are you ready to take those odds? Honestly I have 0 sympathy for the modern man who gets married(under 30), you knew the risks and the consequences and they were all laid before you. Ignorance of the laws used to ruin and rob you is no longer an excuse to get blindsided.
AnarchyBurger101 11y ago
This is the point where we all start chanting "Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!!!!!"
On this show, trailer tramps, and the poor pathetic betas who love them! ;)
Nah, typical girl that marries a super rich guy, 9 out of 10 times, she's one of those "looking for daddy" types, she'll sign the pre-nup, maybe negotiate for "better compensation" the longer they're together, and that's it.
The ones who rise to the top with the rich guy, and sometimes are the ones who help launch the business, they'll settle for 50/50 if it's a quick settlement, 30-40% if the guy is going to be a clingy little beta bitch.
5 years later on, they'll be making more than the guy they got to the top with. Those types of women, they're not gonna get into the marriage trap again. Maybe they'll put up with the ex for the sake of the kids, but otherwise, GTFO.
Most of you red pill guys, you're not gonna meet too many women like that. You'll be getting by with working class tramps, all they need are a guy with big muscles, a big dick, a pickup truck, and something resembling a living wage. When they find someone with a better vehicle, and more money, Buh Bye!! Oh, BTW, you can have the kids 5 days a week, run them around on the weekends, and pay me to slut around. Toodles!
500 years ago they had a name for such women, they were called "camp followers". Now they seem to be the dominant species in the working poor, lower middle class, and squeaking into the upper middle class. Sure they're still white/ethnic trash, but no longer poor white/ethnic trash.
watersign 11y ago
This is so true. With the destruction of the middle class in America, it's pretty crazy watching "middle class" girls, even upper middle class ones turn into conivering whores and deceitful pieces of shit. They know the job market is tumbling and they're struggling to get by.
cover20 11y ago
Interesting comments with some validity.
Let's start with percentages. What percentage of females overall fit into the "elite" categories you identify? More than 1%?
I'll add that maybe another 5% of women have at least that sort of ambition and goal, but when the goal doesn't materialize and they don't get to being rich, other behaviors and feelings may come out.
AnarchyBurger101 11y ago
Wow! If those kind of females are the 1% in your world, I guess I've really been avoiding the "common lot".
Still, for lulz, go attend a Chamber of Commerce Meeting, an REIA(real estate investing association), Lions, Kiwanas, Rotary Society, any of that stuff where it's a more or less public event that people drag the wives to.
At the worst, that should get you to the 10%ers, back in the 50s-70s they were more like the 33%ers, but anyway. Most of those people are less than 1 generation away from "potted meat feasts" and ungodly jello creations being part of the daily meals.
And yet, somehow they got ahead. Most of em it's about 50/50 if they went to college or not, and if they did go, it's to something unrelated to what they do in daily life to make money.
You wanna work out, and bang trampy women, cool, go for it. But just for lulz, take a few steps over to the other side of the tracks, and maybe you'll learn how to break the cycle, and achieve something better.
cover20 11y ago
No, they're actually more like 80% in my crowd, but my crowd is fairly uncommon. I am from the right side of the tracks and remain there. Not sure why you even had to draw this out of me but there you go.
America has gotten a lot slummier since the 50's and 60's. You could just feel the decay starting in the 70's as traditional middle class morality and rectitude were attacked from multiple angles and all sorts of other crap was promoted, crucially diversity was enforced to break the culture. More years of education, less class.
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my theory on women;
They don't give a fuck about you and your worries, their main goal is to not necessarily support themselves but to BE THE MOST INTIMIDATING WOMAN out of the group. while us men all want to be the alpha and compete; there is a level of appreciation between us and still treat our unit/group/tribe with fair respect. Women aren't like that, they NEED (and when i say need, i mean NEED) every other woman to be threatened by them so that she feels comfort in having her and her possessions protected. From what I have seen in interactions with women the arguments always stem from feeling intimidated or their insecurity with intimidation from another woman. The toughest girl or the one with highest SMV has her aura of intimidation with all other women. Notes to point out that also support this theory:
There are so many more to add but it would de-rail from the point im getting at. Woman don't see you as a partner and therefore neither should you. We both see the other for value, while our value for woman might be different understand that what will make you attractive for them is the value you can provide to them. Therefore if you have the ability to present yourself with male value this will give them something to flaunt and subconsciously they will flock to you without double thinking what your intentions are with them; they are so set on making you theirs that they will give you what you want to persuade you
tl;dr woman lust for power, present power and they will be at your fingertip; think casting director and actresses. Without a promise for anything they will do anything to persuade that director
Andress1 11y ago
And they wonder why men dont want to marry anymore... Those women are scum.
GC0W30 11y ago
Always have been, Andress1.
The difference is that before things changed, men were enforcing laws that would have made this behavior much less worthwhile for the majority of women.
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icecow 11y ago
These women defacto state they want to marry for money alone, and somehow you conclude that women and men both tend to sacrifice for their children? unbelievable
cover20 11y ago
I don't see what children have to do with it, but let me tell you a bit about that, as a father still married after almost 20 years to the mother of our children.
After you're done pumping in sperm for keeps (she's probably done having your children) her love for you goes cold. You are replaced in her affections by maternal love for the kids. She does love the kids more than you and always will. (I saw this with my own parents and some talks with my mother near her end of life, married over 50 years to my father.)
This is natural and normal. The guy, evolutionarily speaking, is probably supposed to leave, kill mammoths, and find a new pussy for his next ejaculations, while the women raise the children. But we value monogamy.
I just attended a 50th wedding anniversary for some people we know. They've had a good and very interesting life (and maybe much more, their health is good.) Someone asked him what it was like to be married to her for 50 years. He said wearily that it didn't seem like a day over 49.
You still have this to come in terms of your experience, but in a world where things, time and emotions are limited, the devotion to children comes with costs.
oldredder 11y ago
I've heard of this thing you speak of but never seen it in person.
Call me a skeptic. I'm open to the possibility this is real but doubtful as I've never actually seen it. Ever.
MachiavellianRed 11y ago
The exception proves the trend, assuming your mom is even an exception. Nothing here demonstrates your mother respects your father. She may even feel like "everything is down to her" and harbor contempt for your father because he's not the breadwinner. Do you truly understand the relationship psychology between your parents? I doubt that. You also don't know if mom's fucking strange dick on the side all those times "she had to stay at the office to do extra work." Don't dilute the sub with weak platitudes. You know he's right, you're picking because you don't want to wake up and smell the coffee. Women are all awesome like your mom aren't they? NAWALT! Oh lord, give me a break.
Haha, okay kid. You're blue pill. Banned. Read the sidebar or don't bother coming back.
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And why has his mom been married 2 times? You think most men would really be giving a woman that makes MOST of the money and is LOVELY to be around trouble? They're all awful men, right? Or is it maybe mommy is a perpetual cheater, or a total bitch?