Try to put yourself in that guys shoes and think of how hard it would be to muster any confidence knowing there’s an exceedingly high chance you get shot down no matter how hard you try.

Then tell him to put himself in this guy's shoes and get off his ass anyways

Holy fuck, that is the second saddest thing I've read today (in a sympathetic way), honestly I was thinking about it the other day and I just had to count myself lucky that for all of my flaws, I'm still tall, athletic, and don't have any physical defects.

I don't know how short guys deal with it, but to those who don't let it dictate their lives (and even those who do but try not to), I've gotta say, you've got my full respect. Height of a man is to women what boobs+bum+build of a woman is to men.

Dude there was always Mexican women. Half those bitches are like 4’1 tops. He sounds like a total loser that should quietly self terminate somewhere.

Have you never heard of a midget before? They fuck all the time. This isn’t a case of being not good or normal enough. It’s a case of mental illness.

The classic advice of going to the gym, getting a hobby, dressing well doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone.

How? How does it not apply to everyone? You don't fucking do that to get laid. You do it to become a better person. Why have sympathy for guys defining their life by emotional females? Sure being taller is better, but as men it's never the fucking answer to curl into a fetal position and give up on everything.

I know of a 4'11 guy named "shorty" he owns his own business, multi-millionaire, and is one of the funniest motherfuckers I've ever met. He's super confident and gets laid on the regular.

I think such people need a place to vent even if it’s not healthy or productive, they could be doing far worse with their spare time.

Complete BS. As men we shouldn't be bitching about the things we can't change we should be focusing on the things we can. To indulge in their victim-mentality only further perpetuates their failure. They need to be told the truth; dig themselves the fuck out. There's always improvement and work to be done.

We use imperial for height

Ummm my brother in law is that same height and married someone who is 6’1 so no, I don’t see that point. The guy you are talking about had a vasectomy wayyy too young and decided his own future before it was made. Sure that’s not the normal story but just because your short doesn’t mean the world is cut off to you, that’s bullshit. If you want something from this world you have to have dedication and the willpower to take it when it arrives. I know plenty of short guys that get girls and not just short girls. You need charisma and all that of course but I won’t listen to someone that says being below average height is such a major handicap that why would they even try to date or find someone. The problem is people today don’t know how to weather storms. They get knocked down once and think that’s it. They get in one fight and want to stab the person who beat them up. It’s an entire mind fuck of a society who can’t roll with the punches that life delivers. Being ugly in the face is the only one thing I will consider being a crutch besides a crippling disease or deformity, that is truly a drawing the short straw on life but if you are a decent looking person or average looking you are only holding yourself back with that attitude.

I know society is fucked up these days and Americanized women tend to be superficial but maybe that means you need to look in some of the corners of the world and do some deeper searching to find what you want. People have such tunnel vision these days and can’t/won’t bounce back from a failure.

It's easier to work on yourself and make others want to be like you than it is to grasp how others backed themselves into a corner and devout to fixing them. It's just one more reason to work on yourself. Advise them only to the degree that you hold value to them. If you decide to work on them you aren't working on yourself. Counselors don't lift. In the end people's problems become counselors' monthly paychecks. Incels feel fucked because at best they imagine reaching the value they put on their counselor? I wouldn't want to live either.

Good post but we measure height in feet and inches ;-)

I know a guy that short. He has a wife and a kid. Im 5'8. whenever i talk to this guy, i feel like we are eye level or he is towering over me. Other people know the same feeling. But the guy is short. He has a friendly and assertive attitude.

Just FYI Brits refer to height in feet/inches, not cm.

1/3 of the population is either pre-diabetic or already has diabetes, and this guy is complaining about being a foot too short? Literally all you have to do is not have a chronic disease and you have 1/2 the population beat. And as for height? Look at Kevin Hart, dude is killing it. No excuses.

It's about leverage and drive. I'm 5'4" and always took shit for it in the U.S.. I went to study in China years ago. In places like Guilin in the south, the average for men is about my height. It was honestly mindblowing to realize that for some guys, that advantage was available every day. BUT, the point is, there's always an angle.

There are dwarves who have wives and children, so being short isn't an excuse. Last night my wife was watching a show about a dude who was a little over 1 meter tall. His wife didn't want a second child because there was a 50% chance it would be a dwarf like the first child. And she was a fairly good looking woman. He was a singer in a bar (it was a Chinese TV show). Handsome guy, good personality, just really short. I mean, think of how much action Peter Dinkladge (actor playing Tyrion Lannister) from the average lady. Probably up to his ears-

Agreed. It goes the other way, too. Look at how hideous many radical feminists are. Busted face, oddly proportioned body, etc. It's sad and unfair, really. No matter how much these women do to improve themselves, they will never ever get the attention that hot women do, and it's all because the hot women hit the gene pool lottery - that's all there is to it.

From that perspective, I think TRPers and radical feminists actually have something in common - anger at things for being the way they are, and the search to try to find happiness after realizing harsh truths.

He could just move to Vietnam where the women are about that height, possibly many that are less than 5 foot.

It comes from year of giving them advice and them doing nothing but make excuses. My stance is this:

"If you are not willing to try, then STFU."

I will save my empathy for those that are deserving of it.

Just to be clear, you are telling me to check my privilege?

I think such people need a place to vent even if it’s not healthy or productive

No, that is the opposite of what they need. Venting or complaining about one's lot in any form is never the answer. There's no value in blind sympathy with people who "need to vent." When you tolerate people venting about being ugly or short or poor or whatever, you are encouraging them to slip deeper into delusional defeatism. There may be a subreddit full of depressed people complaining that they weren't born as dogs, but no sane person would call for me to "sympathize" with those people. It is essentially the same. Whether somebody is upset that he’s not handsome or that he’s not a dog, he is still just whining that the universe is what it is. SJWs use this same reasoning to coerce society into compliance with their insane and internally inconsistent ideologies. You are a SJW for incels.

What we should feel is gratitude for what we do have. Suppose I’m ugly and 4’11’’. I am still alive. I can still appreciate beauty, push myself to learn and grow stronger, and invent new things to improve my world. Maybe I physiologically cannot have sex; maybe it’s hard for me to get sex. So what? That’s just part of what life is, a law of nature. Insofar as these are certainties, I must accept them and invest my energy in what is possible. Of course, if I am just short and ugly these are not certainties. I can improve my life, develop charisma and start hitting the gym. Maybe you'd say no woman will “truly love” me in the same way as a 6’2’’ Chad. What the fuck does that mean? Why should the volatile emotions in somebody else’s head give my life meaning? Chad doesn’t know how those women feel either, and he certainly shouldn’t care. Maybe you'd say I will automatically feel insecure because it is hard for me to get laid. That's absurd. There are plenty of confident people and insecure bitches with all kinds of advantages and disadvantages.

The thing that makes these people insecure is the fact that they can’t stop ruminating and complaining about their specific half-imaginary disadvantages. If they would just focus on what advantages they do have and start living their lives they would learn that every day is full of opportunities to experience things no one has ever experienced before and redefine what is considered possible. They will probably even start getting laid if they make that their mission. Instead they are just posting whiny bullshit on the Internet about how they’re too lazy to pursue a mission.

I met a guy last night at a bar, like 170 tall (I'm 190 and all men in the area are huns at 185-195). on top of it he was bald, but dude had his shit together, very sociable, positive mindset and coupd definetly score girls.

5'3 here, with a 5'11 plate. Hard, but doable.

The classic advice of going to the gym, getting a hobby, dressing well doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone.

The problem is they object to doing anything. Incel becomes self defining.... and then it's all women's fault and it's all Chad's fault, even though they're (in both cases) just maximising their life.

Many are not involuntarily incel at all, they are celibate due to too high standards or lack of effort to fix themselves.

They post replies like "There's no point losing weight because I'm incel so if I wasn't fat I'd just be a slimmer incel". Same logic applies to everything.

Obviously the rape apologism and sexual violence is unacceptable,

How much of that is there though?