Caveat: These are perfectly nice women, however from their divorces I've learned the following:
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From my aunt, don't stagnate as a mechanic while your wife goes on to do a doctorate. She will "outgrow" you.
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From my other aunt, women can be legitimately insane and drive their husbands to suicide. Nobody will bat an eye.
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From my brother in law, don't let your alpa ex army buddy stay at your house for a few weeks. Your wife will take your child and half of eveything (including pension) when she drops your arse after 10 years of marriage.
- from my mother, don't get so sick that you are unable to work and take care of your wife. She will make your life miserable with accusations and then kick you out to go and die with your family.
So yeah, live and learn...

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Real life examples to support the following statistic: "80 Percent of Divorces Are Filed By Women"
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PlebDestroyer 11y ago
What abbout non-college educated.
Aerobus 11y ago
From reading this post: don't get married.
SecretAgentQ 11y ago
No no. You got it all wrong. Clearly, all the dude has to do is not get sick nor get laid off, and all will be clear. s/
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Guys, monogamy isn't natural. Get over it. Look at the bright side of this, you are free to be the guy you are meant to be, free ranging and out to impregnate many women. I grew up on Disney but have since adapted my thinking to reality. It makes me happy. Currently at a hostel in Thailand. New girl in room has a bf, just literally came in from germany 1 hour ago. Hot. Within 15 minutes the iois are strong as all hell, you know what it's like when you have control and are reeling a girl in. It's amazing, nothing better. Fucked a dutch girl 2 days ago. Also taken lol. If she was loyal then it would have neen shit. Good for her! Working on passive income streams so i can live free, getting jacked, looking hot. Monogamy sounds like precontrived social bs to me. Ive dont courses in anthropology that demonstrate homo sapien males are not meant to have 1 woman. Start living like your ancestors made you.
brmlb 11y ago
For TRP fans, you may consider yourself alpha as hell, but in a society with polygamy as the norm, it's only the men with wealth, power, and status that will end up all the women. Beyond that, if you're below average height or just average looking, you'll always lose out to the tall, good looking guy in a polygamist society.
There's a good case to be made for monogamy (with divorce when and where needed), because you don't end up with a population of completely disgruntled men who think they have no shot.
I think TRP doesn't take sides on Monogamy vs Polygamy
cover20 11y ago
We have the society we have. TRP is valuable when it helps men succeed in the actual situation.
I might do worse, or better, in the equilibrium with polygamy. But we aren't doing the experiment, so it's just an interesting thing to think about, not really important.
ManiyaNights 11y ago
This is why harems are long term genetically bad for a society. You have one guy with a hundred women and 99 guys that have nothing to live for. Plus, the biggest asshole willing to do anything at all costs gets to mate making your whole society more aggressive.
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ManiyaNights 11y ago
But look at Islam 1000 yrs ago, the betas didn't form gangs they allied themselves with the main man and the rest went without. And you have no idea about my sex life so stop reading too far into betahood.
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brmlb 11y ago
Your response is embarrassing to read. "Go find some beta friends". LOL...shudder.
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brmlb 11y ago
yea..."maybe" that's it. LOL.
ohsweetword 11y ago
Stay single. Perfect yourself. Bang young women. Keep your money and your time to yourself.
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O3EAN 11y ago
Probably confirmation bias, most guys on here are probably fucked up because their parents divorced or they grew up in a single mother home, so you're likely a minority on TRP because most children who grew up in a nuclear family with a good father and mother don't need a lot of help from TRP.
zeny_two 11y ago
Agree. Most of the under-thirties I meet were raised by a single parent, usually Mom. Divorce was popular in the eighties and nineties, and the current social climate reflects that
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Women are shit. AWALT. Fuckoff snowflakes, nobody cares you think you're different. Every woman thinks she's special and different and expects to be treated as such. It's all bullshit. Women are remarkably similar to each other across the board and HATE being generalised because of their narcissism. They're so similar psychologically that we can make a fucking subreddit that generalises just over half the human race with an incredible degree of accuracy and use that knowledge as a proficient weapon in helping men get the upperhand in a social system where they're systemically beaten down. The upperhand is something a man needs if he ever wants to come out unscathed with any kind of social contract with a woman. Hypergamy necessitates it. She requires your superiority to be attracted to you, that's probably the biggest joke about "equality."
Not all women are born equal, but all have a capacity for insanity and machiavellianism. Thoroughly believe all women are crazy, the extent just differs. Thoroughly believe all women are manipulative, the scale and intelligence of said manipulations just varies. Never met a bitch who wasn't crazy or manipulative. Even if it isn't always immediately observable, you can be assured underneath that exterior of upward inflexion, smilies and a face full of chemicals their lurks something far darker and more destructive. Women have an incredible predilection for mental violence to make up for their lack of physical strength. Their emotions make them impulsive and irrational, so they're bad long-term investments.
Men need to start living in bachelor pads together, library, gym, pool table. Swimming pool. No bitches living in the house. Fucking escorts and partying. It's an effective way to avoid this clusterfuck of affairs we call women/marriage/divorce/hypergamy without being lonely/sacrificing a sex life. Jealous bitches will accuse you of being gay as an effort to shame you/your friends into adhering to the traditional narrative and wifing up her or one of her friends, laugh in their faces and shame them right back for being homophobic. Lay into them for hating gays and watch them shut the fuck up as you flip their own bullshit back at them. Live your life on your own terms men don't feel like you have some fucking duty to society and these ungrateful harpies who'll never appreciate all the sweat and toil you put into making ends meat. Fuck 'em all. Society never gave a fuck about you so don't feel some disjointed loyalty to it. If you're not already lumbered with a woman, a woman's problems, and a kid, sit back, sip a JD & Coke from a cocktail straw and let it all fucking burn.
We can literally redefine transactional sex from "shit woman does to control you" to "something women are paid to do and then quickly leave because you don't want the crazy parasite trying to dig her claws into your life"
Wanna know something else pretty? Older women who are single tend to go even crazier. They're not fucking built to do this alone, yet they're designed in a way that makes you not want to put up with them. The dichotomy is perverse. I have about as much sympathy for the plight of women as a woman has respect and sympathy for her ex-husband she won't let see the kids. Hahahaha. Couldn't give a shit about woman's struggles, everyone's running around after them, men are the ones in most urgent need of help - mostly emotional support. I get too many messages from guys who want to kill themselves. It's fucked up. Thanks women/feminism.
Religion is necessary to keep women and their bullshit impulsivity/disloyalty under control but it's unpopular in the west now. Tbh, it's the lesser evil vs. feminism IMO.
I don't buy into that whole "it's always your fault" crap. Blame where blame is due, fuck hyperagency.
Women are more hassle than they're worth and the intelligent among them fucking know it but are usually too proud to admit it.
Some guys are desperate for something more meaningful with a woman, love, a proper relationship and blah blah. Fair enough, I understand that desire, but all this shit still applies. You will get fucked. It's not a question of if, but when. Most people who make it work met very young, you were her first alpha or some shit. A lot of this shit still applies you just have far better odds at working through it.
Oh yeah, another thing, any unfavourable opinion of women no matter how rooted in reality makes you a bitter misogynist, might as well embrace the label until it loses any meaning. Much how women call each other sluts and bitches to be cute. Oh you bitter misogynist you, have a soft punch in the arm.
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This reminds me of a film I am very fond of. Lion King, when Timon says, "When the world turns it's back on you, you turn your back on the world!"
I was rather impressed as a 5 year old watching that part.
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You should write a book or start a movement. Or both.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
A blog will have to suffice for now. May write a book in the future, assuming that the demand is there and I have sufficient time to do a good job on it.
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zephyrprime 11y ago
There's a reason every single society converged on nearly the same beliefs. Even the muslims we're fighting now have essentially the same beliefs as europeans did back in 1 thousand years ago except with some names changed around.
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http://www.bakadesuyo.com/2010/04/what-predicts-cheating-in-a-relationship/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/352992?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104111360837
Yep.
tekn0_ 11y ago
This. In India, society entails you to be a virgin. The arranged marriages lasts there only because of this fact. That's the bloody honest truth about why 2 random strangers decide to start a family, and keep the society going. Atleast on paper.
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WAFC 11y ago
Less about individual households and more about society at-large, IMO. When beta men can be reasonably assured of a solid, if not spectacular, wife they will work to benefit the system.
Now that the system is throwing men overboard, it's pretty natural that men don't want to marry or commit to women. It used to be a fair exchange of childbearing for labor. Now she gets your money and the kids and you get to go to jail if you can't pay. Why any sane person signs up for that is beyond me.
zephyrprime 11y ago
Plus, taking care of the household used to be a shit ton of work. People used to have dirt floors and drafty everything so dusting was a huge workload. Washing the clothes was a backbreaking hour long job. Cooking required gathering dried grasses for the fire first.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
I'd say you're bang on the money with this. Makes perfect fucking sense. Antediluvian people didn't have internet, most people weren't even literate, but there was much wisdom. No distractions like reality TV, computer games and celebrity gossip back then, you had less room for escapism. It seems the more we steer away from the wisdom of religious/ancient texts, the better we get at creating outlets for escape. They had little knowledge, but much wisdom. Now we live in an age where people are knowledgeable about all kinds of asinine shit, but wisdom has become scarce. The irony.
Most ancient texts tend to be religious in nature because only monks/priests/nobles were literate, and religious observance was high. It's not like now where fucking anyone can write a book.
PlebDestroyer 11y ago
Have you ever read "the 1001 nights"? My (female) english professor is using it as her NAWALT belief and constantly brings up how the piece exclaims that not all women are unfaithful.
I'm dying to say something but I know the word hypergamy would ocme out of my mouth and then after that point...RIP.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
No. Worth a read?
STARVE_THE_BEAST 11y ago
Why is your english teacher on a mission to prove that NAWALT?
PlebDestroyer 11y ago
Good question. She might be a feminist, idk.
parrrot_ 11y ago
One of the first days after I realized TRP was the truth and was reading a lot here, I came across a comment about how Islam is doing something right with their handling of women. I had to go lie down. I'm as atheist as it gets, and the mere thought of religion being true, not for their beliefs, but for their values, quite frankly disgusted me.
I'm interested in your view of having children. Personally, it's still something I hope to do someday, but after reading here I've realized that if it'll ever happen, it's going to later in my life than I previously imagined. When you say let it all fucking burn, do you mean "fuck the survival of the human species if it requires having children", or do you think there's a way to have children and still avoid the bullshit?
That's an interesting strategy, but I question if it could really work. I would not imagine you could embrace being a racist/nazist until the word loses its meaning, even if (for example) black people call each other niggas. Perhaps you were only joking though?
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Supply-demand. Right now, men supply all the kids women want..and pay for them. If men in general lessen supply, stop having kids, there will be backlash/name calling/run on sperm banks before negotiations. This will not happen in our lifetimes, maybe never...but maybe, someday, something good will come of it.
zephyrprime 11y ago
They are true for their practices, not for their cosmology which is completely incorrect.
EatsWithChopsticks 11y ago
Interesting thought. Not to get all Alex Jones here, but maybe feminism is something the Illuminati came up with as a means of population control because they knew eventually men would be so fed up with it that they would stop procreating? Dun-dun-DUN!
Dis_mah_mobile_one 11y ago
Nah. Feminism is a symptom, not a proximate cause. Almost as soon as women had the surplus energy and population to begin to tear down traditional structures, they did so. Progressive era prohibition and anti male clubs action and suffrage came quickly. Post WW2 inventions such as the pill and welfare turbocharged an already in place, nascent feminism into the movement of today.
You could argue that these changes were net benefits but that sidesteps the point: AWALT; as soon as industry gave humanity the surpluses necessary to live at a greater than subsistence level, women have been attempting to bend that surplus in their favor at the expense of men. It isn't a conspiracy (no women's group or "illuminati" ever came up with the plan) it's simply the Feminine Imperitive acting on a scale it was never able to before.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Do it outside the west. Make your money in the west, hoard it and use it as starting capital in say Eastern Europe or southeast asia. Possibly south america. Try to get location independent income (move your business online/subcontract) then fuckoff to a a mid level country where american/developed world minimum wage lets you live like a king, let alone middle class income. Where they earn $100 a month and you're earning $1000 a month you have 10X their wage but benefit from their cost of living. If you're middle class you'll feel like a millionaire. Have your kid(s) there, have a huge economic advantage over the local men and have your pick of the hoes. Vet one girl for motherhood in terms of intelligence, appearance, family etc and make sure the family court in that country favours men, or at the very least, doesn't unilaterally favour women.
Choosing a mother will never be an easy task, and there is risk, but at the very least you should tip the odds in your favour. If you have a house in say Brazil and one in the Philippines and the filipina fucks you over, what's stopping you from taking your kid to Brazil with you? You've gotta check on extradition policies and all that shit but you can make things work in your favour. Lawyers will be cheap in these countries for you and there is less chance they have state mandated legal aid (to help her) like rich countries do. Oh no evil man kidnapping his own child. Bitches do that shit all the time. Do you really want to leave your kid with a single mother? I wouldn't. Ideally you want custody. But say you reach a moral conundrum where she gets custody but you have thought deeply and believe you would provide a better life for the child. Your morality, your call.
Edit: don't let labels like misogynist be applied to you because you want to live life on your terms/have negative opinions of women. Don't allow other peoples words to have power over you via shaming language. Part of having a solid frame is being somewhat immune to shaming language. I don't take arbitrary labels seriously. If you cannot rationally articulate your opinion, it's worthless. If you can and I disagree with your perspective, I won't accept the label. Part of being a man is moderating your self-beliefs. Agree and amplify is good for throwing off the sheeple: Yeah I'm a misogynist I oppressed 3 women in my basement last week courtesy of Josef Fritzls stellar example. No point taking anyone you don't respect seriously these days. Idiots get rebutted with humour.
cuervojones85 11y ago
Brazilian here - my two cents:
"Try to get location independent income (move your business online/subcontract) then fuckoff to a a mid level country where american/developed world minimum wage lets you live like a king, let alone middle class income. Where they earn $100 a month and you're earning $1000 a month you have 10X their wage but benefit from their cost of living. If you're middle class you'll feel like a millionaire."-Brazilian taxes will cripple your business, but either way this is the only valid point.
" If you have a house in say Brazil and one in the Philippines and the filipina fucks you over, what's stopping you from taking your kid to Brazil with you?" - local laws exist for a reason you know - also there was a recent case where this happened, and the dude got shafted, kid gone back. "Vet one girl for motherhood in terms of intelligence, appearance, family etc" - Good luck finding this unicorn down here.
"and make sure the family court in that country favours men, or at the very least, doesn't unilaterally favour women." - Courts here are no different from US, you gonna get divorce raped.
"Lawyers will be cheap in these countries for you and there is less chance they have state mandated legal aid (to help her) like rich countries do" - again, not around here, lawyers are expensive even in US dollars, (more expensive for locals of course), and the courts are female friendly.
Of course i can only speak for my country. But it is good not to have an 'unicorn' view of other countries/woman of other countries.
parrrot_ 11y ago
Thank you for your reply. The prospect of going to a country where things are much cheaper has in a way always been appealing; if nothing else, just for a while to try the lifestyle, but actually settling there for good has never been something I've considered. I'm only 23, so I have time to reconsider, but currently I just don't see it happening.
I guess one can hope that technology advances so far that the need for having children the biological way completely disappears. Uploading brains, becoming immortal machines, creating new sentient machines as necessary, using Matrix style loading programs to teach them everything, effectively removing the need to raise kids from age 0.
I'm just rambling at this point, but I think I would prefer that instead of generations upon generations raised by single mothers.
As for your last paragraph (the edit), I agree to not let people label and shame you. It's not something I've had to deal with lately, but it's always nice to be reminded how to handle such situations.
Cyralea 11y ago
I came to that same realization a few months ago. I used to be somewhat active on /r/atheism, quite vocal. It never occurred to me before, but it's downright obvious that practices that lasted for thousands of years had to have come about for a reason. TRP was the missing piece of the puzzle that put it all together. Religion was the guidebook that allowed men and women to harmonize. Without it you get the clusterfuck that is the demands of hypergamy.
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trphardmode 11y ago
We're at a frightening middle point of society where people are on average too logical to believe religion's bullshit anymore, but not yet smart enough to be able to see that the societal organizers that shaped most religions had some exceptionally good ideas that worked fantastically for building a stable society. Today's thought leaders are not as intelligent at societal planning (unless the technocrats or illuminati pan out), they just took advantage of society becoming too smart for the old bullshit, and filled that power vacuum with newer more logical bullshit (really the bare minimum to get by the standard bullshit detector) that advanced their pet causes rather than helping society. And progressivism/feminism has been the most successful post-religious meme to take hold so far.
parrrot_ 11y ago
I just want to add, holy shit that thread has a lot of knowledge bombs. The first thread as well as the one talking about unity, specifically cultural unity as very important for a society. Thanks for linking it, it was insightful in many ways.
parrrot_ 11y ago
As yourself, I had never thought of it that way before. It's interesting because it puts things in a whole new perspective.
I became an atheist at age ~4-5; one night I prayed for a certain toy set I wanted, it would have to be at the end of my bed when I woke up, or I wouldn't believe in God. It was always just very logical for me.
When watching the movie The Book of Eli, the "evil guy" (I don't remember his name, it's been a while since I saw it) wants the bible to control his people. It always seemed like religion was not only false, but the goals of it were evil in nature as well. You can imagine how it turned my world upside down (once again, after the realization of TRP) when I understood how that sort of control could actually lead to good.
oldredder 11y ago
It really is a "judgment" of sorts put upon us as a species.
Atheism is truth. Logic. Reason. The entire world would do well unless it was so far from logic, reason or accepting evidence to work from, as a start, that only chaos could result.
In that case a much lesser animal, one that can't live by reason, can't live by logic, adamantly refuses evidence but still has a primitive herding instinct could all follow one set of instructions. They can be lies, there can be variations, but as long as the outcome of those instructions is order, a shitload of lies, bullshit & even murders in the name of those rules can be tolerated if it keeps the rest of society out of chaos.
Thus is religion & the unavoidable conclusion that humans are a very dumb animal, collectively. It doesn't stop atheism from being the best path to truth. It does stop atheism from using logic & reason to herd hamsters - on a planet DOMINATED by hamsters.
FiveRows 11y ago
I appreciate the lack of equivocation. It's refreshing.
What men are putting up with these days astounds me. From the extralegal and extrajudicial alleged campus sexual assault cases, to the way that feminists now solely control the mass-media dialogue concerning domestic abuse, without any regard to the multitude of ways in which women inflict abuse on men throughout the western world.
Men are not finding these forums by accident. They are being driven here by a society going off its rails. As brainwashed as most of us have been at one point, our biological intuition is forcing us back to the truth and away from the propaganda machine that only intends to use of us and then discard us.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
I only reserve powertalk for situations where it is crucial to my survival. That, or, I do not respect who I am talking to. I respect the men of the red pill, and likewise, show that by not mincing my words. It also helps I'm not stuck in a liberal environment on a day-to-day basis, that shit wears down on your psyche and nibbles at your masculinity bit-by-bit with the constant henpecking, tone policing and other bullshit you have to endure. It is passive aggressive, socially accepted and subtle enough not to result in coming under scrutiny, but by god is it effective. It's basically "behave how we want or be ostracised" which when you need money and shit, is the equivalent of holding your masculinity to ransom in a gynocratic society. Free men can say whatever the hell they want, most of us aren't free.
You're right they're not. There is a huge problem with how women and society treat men and men are looking for answers to combat this BS. Men find these forums in a few ways. Relationship troubles, troubles understanding women in general or they want to know how to "become players" because they're tired of relationshits.
I don't even remember how I found TRP exactly. I typed something to do with women in google whilst thinking about how fucked up my ex was, found a random blog, read the comments and someone linked to TRP. Read shit, and it all made sense. Other people probably have similar stories.
YouBigDingus 11y ago
I found this place after spending 10 minutes on Google trying to find out why women appear to be so good at rationalizing shitty behavior to themselves.
CornyHoosier 11y ago
I certainly don't remember how I found this sub-reddit either. I would imagine quite a few of us don't. What I do remember is that TRP produced positive results for me.
bluedrygrass 11y ago
I found this sub a while ago because someone was shaming it on some askreddit thread, i wasn't deliberately searching for it.
But as soon as i started reading... things made sense. I'm still disgustingly blue pill, but i'm keeping my mind open and starting to understand.
This sub is, with nofap, the most jaw-dropping for me.
PlebDestroyer 11y ago
No fap itself is good but the sub is terrible...They're as BP, beta, and PC as it gets.
TRPeyesopened 11y ago
This is how I found it, too.
Eye opening...
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BluepillProfessor 11y ago
Jeez! IM must have got turned down last night and ended up looking at porn.
Still a great idea. Imagine men only townhouses where the men are allowed to live in peace with only the sounds of raucous male laughter and the moans from prostitutes filtering through the walls.
If we had flowing rivers of wine and the prostitutes were all virgins it would be just like the Islamic Heaven...
ilikelearningthings 11y ago
Sounds like Game of Thrones
sweetleef 11y ago
Dorms, fraternity houses, school sports teams, shared bachelor pads - ask any man who was in one of those to compare it to the joys of "growing up" and living with a woman.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
They're sadly built to push boundaries as much as possible to ensure quality mates... which makes them the worst possible mate after the wall.
Which, evolutionarily speaking, doesn't fucking matter even a little bit.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
It's incredible irony. They lack the self-awareness to realise that too much boundary pushing will result in pushing you out entirely. Even pre-wall a lot of the women just aren't worth the hassle beyond a certain stage in dating. Seeing as hassle FROM a woman TO a man typically builds like free radicals in the body, it's easier to just cut loose and get a new one when the bullshit levels get too high. Rinse/repeat. Getting new women and starting over all the time is annoying but it's less annoying than the demands/abuse of an LTR.
Also in light of what you're saying:
The truism "women are never satisfied" is aptly explained. Explains a whole lot. Why they're eternally insecure and etc. Design flaw.
Booksarefun666 11y ago
It's weird. On one hand I'm all for equal rights for women but it really slanted it against the man in the long run for some reason.
But with that said, men can simply adapt. Some of us adapt sooner than later but we all have the capabilities to do so and if it takes a couple of mind games to be on the playing field, then so be it.
Maybe eventually some of them will get the picture when we simply leave the market and get a clue, but I'll hold no breath for that - they're probably more likely to find some sex androids sooner then that, heh.
But I won't lie, it's a bit fun playing the right moves and these mind games. It's nice knowing I have more cards for once and they always react to some degree the same way.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
Disagree- that is not a 'flaw' in the design, it IS the design.
Women's maladaptive behaviors are not a bug- they are the program.
sweetleef 11y ago
The flaw is in forming the expectation, or hope, that they will be something that they are not.
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Bahahaha. Reminds me of my uncle's quote comparing women to cars-- "They're all the same design, just different features"
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Is that really how it happens? Is that what every average bluepiller does when his boundaries are pushed all day long?
Nope, they push that far when they get away with it, and most of men let them get away with it. A lot. They're fairly on-point with knowing how much they can push.
That's why passing shit tests makes them happen less often.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
This is what happens when an RP man sees more hassle than benefit from association with a woman. Consider it Briffault's Law in reverse.
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Yes, exactly. And the blue pill response is way more common, correct?
Assuming you agree, then they are not clueless about it, they just expect the thing they are used to seeing.
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clear_lights 11y ago
Spot on.
Hit the fucking nail on the head. It's actually better if you were the first boyfriend she ever had, period. Zero baggage. Zero competition.
RedPillSafe 11y ago
I'm going start using that:
"Misogyny is the new black... don't hate me for being Misogynistic."
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AFPJ 11y ago
A good counter to this is to cease any association with a woman which is not a net benefit to you. ONS/FWB/LTR where the relationship benefits both people more than it takes from either is easy as long as the woman derives intrinsic value from the social aspect of being with you: she'll do most things for you in exchange for "nothing".
This is the most useful takeaway. Assuming women to be credible, truthful or loyal is as BP as it goes. Once your default mode of interaction with a woman is distrust and skepticism, they become a joy and easy to manipulate.
To further that point, most women simply lack the hardware to logically process or even detect being emotionally compromised and manipulated for emotion is all they know, it is their state of existence. This makes women very easy to manipulate to whatever end one wishes. This is why modern men are conditioned out of a logic-primary existence at all costs. Regaining sovereignty is as easy as - today more than ever - using our gift of evolution: the ability to override emotions with logic, known as "Discipline", "Stoicism" and other names attributing "Virtue".
j-pHil 11y ago
The dynamic between the sees has always had the potential to be this way, but society/resources/religion has always been a check to this behavior. As our society continues to decay, and resources are not an issue this will only continue. Like that experiment with the mice with unlimited resources. It's almost like a neat little check in our biology to keep us from growing too large as a population and consuming everything.
oldredder 11y ago
Holy shit. That's precisely it.
We're living in Hamster Utopia
The answer's been right in front of me all along.
bluedrygrass 11y ago
Saved. Fantastic summary of the world we live on.
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PlebDestroyer 11y ago
Reading this makes me think that if there is a god, what the actual fuck was he thinking when he made women. What was his goal? Why would he do something so fucked up to us?! WHY GOD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?!
oldredder 11y ago
Well, I'm not religious but imagine this: an ancient, spiritual being floating above the clouds, a glowing aura and a face unlike any living being - it's TrollFace and we're the grandest entertainment he ever had, rolling over laughing at our suffering.
sweetleef 11y ago
Men have been asking that for a long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora
August12th 11y ago
speaking of suicide just at a glance it seems that suicide rates for men are about 3-10 times greater then women...
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Men are more isolated, have less social support, grow up without their dads, have less role models and are less capable as a group of securing sexual intimacy. They also have less government programs to aid them. It's easier for men to go downhill because in the absence of a pussy you have nothing that an entire gender wants. With working class girls vs working class boys for example, women can use their pussy for social mobility. Working class boys have to graft hard. Rarely can a guy marry up. Sure a few genetic jackpot winners (physically speaking) with some charm can do it, but assortative mating largely benefits women. Rich women want equal or richer men, but the opposite isn't true. Men are disposable success objects to girl-world. Many men suffer, unnoticed and uncared for. It's disgusting.
August12th 11y ago
male privilege right there
IllimitableMan 11y ago
I know, they're literally insane with the flagrant abuse of these arbitrary widely inapplicable labels.
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Vote Tea Party. Women act like animals and shit all over men because they will get provision from men anyway. The government takes money from productive men and gives it to women. Get rid of the Feminist Occupied Government. Grand 'Ol Pussies on the right only have the balls to speak out against unpopular big government policies like Obamacare. They will never do anything except put a little dent in the system that screws guys and subsidizes Jezebels.
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EeeeeeevilMan 11y ago
That was one hell of a good and truthful rant.
sweetleef 11y ago
I've seen this scenario play out several times within the group of people I know personally.
In the worst one, a guy had provided for 10+ years, typical good guy husband, works his ass off to keep her in comfort, complete support, obedient, helps with the kids, vacations and jewelry gifts, day care to give her time for "her own life" (i.e., shopping and sleeping), the whole thing. While things were good, she was the model wife.
He gets sick, and she immediately flips into full-bitch malicious hysteria mode. Overnight, she started treating him like shit, berating him and mocking his illness in public and in front of his kids, openly going out with other guys while her husband was confined to a bed, denying him any emotional support at all. She gave his personal possessions away to her brothers, and threw his prized personal collections in the trash in front of him. Instead of taking care of the father of her kids, the man who had provided for her every need for a decade, she refused to help him in any way. When he got to the point that he needed help getting around, eating, etc., and it became too much for his elderly mother to take care of, she had him moved to a nursing home and cut off all contact.
And a couple months after that, she sold his house, took his money, and moved herself and his young children in with some guy she knew from high school two states away, leaving the husband to die alone.
That situation was the most depraved, hateful, inhuman, and repulsive behavior I've ever seen, by anyone. I'm still shocked at it thinking about it now.
There's a quote/maxim I read on some TRP site along the lines of "Once the woman doesn't need the man any more, she'll treat him as if she'd never met him" - that doesn't go far enough. I can't imagine treating any stranger as badly as she treated her husband - she was motivated by something stronger than just indifference.
Mandeponium 11y ago
CH's Maxim #12: "When the love is gone, women can be as cold as if they had never known you."
PlebDestroyer 11y ago
I'm so fucking pissed, this has my blood boiling.
Darkone06 11y ago
I would love to call bullshit on this but my neighbor who has been married for 15 years is doing the exact same shit.
I had always though that I wanted what they had, but man did it take a nasty turn in a series of unfortunet events.
He got in a bad car accident after a bad fall in a construction job that left him basicly unable to work for 18 months.
Him drinking dodnt helped in her eyes but even then as much as he was a drunk he was a happy hard working drunk. I always saw him playing with the kids and helping out around the house doing things he shouldnt even be doing.
Even then she kickedd him out and my neighbor was forced to go live with his 19 year old daughter (that her mom kicked out)
oldredder 11y ago
So few women are the opposite. AWALT. I guess Briffault's Law too. A man who can't provide has zero value to a woman. Women are not caretakers. Maybe a man can invest in his children, to teach them to take care of him by showing knowledge of life, respect, some skills, and also save some cash to handle expenses himself, and a place to keep his most precious things so no wife can throw them out, even find them.
Then again your kids could all be daughters & you may as well sell it all now & make sure they don't get power of attorney.
KingMinish 11y ago
I can't believe women like that exist.
My father was in a serious car accident when I was an infant. It caused serious brain damage, like, forget the marriage even happened, "who are you?" brain damage. Now, my mother did eventually get a divorce.
But before that, she spent three years of her life working with him through rehabilitation, sleeping in hospitals and care centers with him, always making sure he could see me. His side of the family planned to institutionalize him, my mother refused, and she made sure he was rehabilitated to a level of self-sufficiency.
I suppose the difference here is that she wasn't with him because he was a beta provider like your typical good guy husband example. She's a lawyer, she didn't need him for money. He was in the navy.
I remember her telling me a story years ago. She said that she was giving him shit about something while they were driving in the car, I don't remember what. His response? Pulled the car over, told her that he wouldn't take shit, and if she gave shit, the relationship wasn't happening. Mom told me the story and used it as an example of him being true to his convictions, of him being masculine. After lurking TRP, it clicked that he was holding his frame by not engaging in her shit, and using dread game. Plus he was treating her like "the oldest teenager in the house" by literally pulling the car over and setting his terms.
I guess that's just the difference between being alpha and being beta. Crazy.
Misterlulz 11y ago
Geez, sucks for him, man. I wonder what his kids think of the situation?
sweetleef 11y ago
I don't know. He died over 10 years ago, and I haven't spoken to the wife or kids since. The kids are now mid-to-late teens.
If they ever ask me, I'll tell them what I know - but as for contacting them I'm torn. Part of me wants to give them the truth and counter what I'm sure has been a lifetime of lies from their mother - but the other part thinks that they've already suffered through losing their dad, and dredging up all this can only hurt them more.
Misterlulz 11y ago
Sounds like a crappy situation. I'm sorry about your friend.
cwschizzy 11y ago
They're at the age where the grief they'd feel would be worth knowing the truth about their father. I'd tell them.
MagicGainbow 11y ago
As much as i'd love to say this is fake bullshit,m i've seen the 180 degree turn women do when their SO is sick, the scorn and venom is insane.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
AND it is breathtakingly quick. Literally overnight.
PlebDestroyer 11y ago
Would have liked to see more of this in breaking bad.
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Holy Shit, seriously?! I've never been around this. I've been around the exodus of officer's wives when their husbands retire from the military. It's fairly epic. My mom and one of her friends seemed to be the only ones who didn't. Both their husbands went onto other six figure jobs from retiring tho... who knows. Dad can't manage a checkbook to save his life. They need each other. That's crazy tho!!!
sweetleef 11y ago
I would give anything for it to be bullshit.
The guy was a childhood friend of mine. We were close enough for me to get the real truth from him. His getting sick was tragedy enough, but I had to witness the reality of what his wife did, which I think was much worse than the illness from his point of view.
Towards the end, he was pretty much confined to bed - all he did was talk on and on about how much he missed his kids, and how sorry he was that he had let them down. It was the most gut-wrenching situation I've been involved with.
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sweetleef 10y ago
Hey narcissistic_walrus - thanks for your comment. It made me revisit this thread and re-read that post. Every time I think of my friend I shake my head in sadness, and it still doesn't seem possible that things went the way they did. It really is surreal. I would never have believed it, had I not seen it myself, had it been anybody other than him telling me what was happening.
MagicGainbow 11y ago
Some day his kids will find out and then the mother will hopefully reap what she has sown.
Booksarefun666 11y ago
Unfortunately, a mother has the capabilities to create a intricate web of lies to their children that it'd put a spider to shame. After all that, they'll probably not want to talk to their father and they'll never get the chance to get his side of the story.
It's a shame, really.
DexterousRichard 11y ago
Ultimately, all we really have is our own pride in ourselves.
[deleted] 11y ago
Can I just say that when my husband hurt his back, was unemployed, had to drop out of a time based school program that I stuck beside him and pulled up my bootstraps and did everything I could to be sure he was comfortable and even rotated his 260 lb body for three months until we figured out what was wrong and recovery was short. Not all women are crazy! I promise!
oldredder 11y ago
You are one of the rare ones then.
I met one of those once. Lost contact, willing to bet she died of an illness.
Her husband had been brain-damaged, hit a horse, driving a car, horse goes through windshield & hoof kicks his nose right into his brain.
Even years later she would go visit him in the hospital where he stayed in a permanent coma. Never re-married. Worked where I work.
thetenman 11y ago
You probably married your husband because you are emotionally attached to him. Plenty of women are not like that. These are the women that TRP teaches men to avoid. From a TRP perspective the women in the example above married a man so she could be provided for (BetaBux). Once he was no longer capable of being that provider she simply had no use for him, his value was gone. The example for a women that had an emotional attachment would be if they woke up one morning and whatever gave the wife the emotional attachment was gone, with no chance of returning. The wife would leave, maybe not right then but eventually. The TRP golden rule exist even in Heartshapedbutt's situation. Once your value is gone so is the woman/women. Maintain value.
[deleted] 11y ago
Ahhh so much has become clear with this response, thank you!
Spidertech500 11y ago
The problem with this sub is the philosophy mixed with some peoples bad experiences, this is a BS post that doesn't help anyone
MagicGainbow 11y ago
...I'm just going to disregard everything you just said, here's why; your ''but I'M DIFFERENT!!'' is meaningless, if true you are an outlier, more likely you are an older woman so different(outdated) standards and your declaration of ''NAWALT!" is no good, it's now much more savvy to prepare for the worst.
[deleted] 11y ago
Is thirty old in this thread?
MagicGainbow 11y ago
No but things have changed a lot in just he past few years, how it was like when you were dating is no longer how it's it is.
[deleted] 11y ago
I'll take your word for it.
TheReason13 11y ago
We all know that somewhere out there, scattered all over the planet, there is a minority of women that are in fact "not like that." Our point is that this minority is so minuscule that they are irrelevant to the grand scheme, and can not logically be factored into consideration.
If the chances of finding a NAWALT was 1 in 700 000 out of 10 billion women, then chances are you will never find one no matter how hard you look.
Then you have add the women who claim to be NAWALT's but are in fact just imposters posing as NAWALT's who eventually show their true colors, this blurs the lines irreparably and makes it statistical suicide to even consider the concept of the NAWALT.
Any women that protests "but look at me, look what I did. I'm not like that, promise." Is understandably not taken seriously, we hear that all the time.
Humankeg 11y ago
To be fair this isn't just women that do it. Lazy, indecent people reside on both sides of the gender fence.
I'd also like to think that if I were to settle down with someone I would have chosen at least somewhat wisely.
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Of course it isn't just women who do bad things. But this is different. What makes shitty female behavior like the examples above uniquely female is the hamster. The entire process of decision making works differently. A guy who really wants to do something that he knows is bad and gives in to his desires probably meets in the middle somewhere between his desires and his moral obligations, and probably feels guilty. Women, who should be in the DSM-V just for being female, can rationalize anything. Wives who screw over their decent husbands feel bad for probably 0.005 seconds before their hamster catches up and when it does, they despise their husbands. Can you wrap your head around that process? It's essentially "I hate you because I betrayed you."
52576078 11y ago
My ex was like that, but she had a DSM diagnosis: she was Borderline. I still don't think it's fair to say that all women are like that though.
Humankeg 11y ago
I definitely agree with this. I see often enough a woman passing blame to a man when she fucks up, defensive hamstering. It's a dispicable act all on it's own and I call out people for doing it.
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You might be right, but I get the impression that when they blame and hate their husbands in situations like this they actually believe their own bullshit. It's one thing to say to others that it is the husband's fault in order to save face. But they actually believe their own bullshit. What you are describing is too rational. It's what a man would do.
MagicGainbow 11y ago
Then explain ''man-flu'', women despise weakness in men with a passion, you don't see guys routinely being a dick to a chick for being sick.
Humankeg 11y ago
I routinely get offers of soup and comfort massages from girls I see when I am hung over or not feeling too well. I also see many women treat their men alright when they're sick. Don't see or hear about too many people that treat their partners in a shitty manner.
Of what I remember of my mother she was not the most pleasant care giver to my father.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Not the same as being out of action for months in an LTR. You're probably also high SMV if women bother giving you that kind of attention/sympathy. Very few females are truly altruistic and not using your weakness as a way to get a foot in the door with a high smv man. Don't be fooled.
Humankeg 11y ago
I am of moderate smv. I have the persona of high smv though. And you are right that my experiences don't come from Ltr. But I've seen enough good people in the world to know that it happens often enough.
On reddit there was a story of a woman taking care of her fiance after he lost two or three limbs on a tour. Years later, still married.
All anecdotal.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Would be great if this kind of behaviour was common in women but exceptions aside, they aren't like that. For every story you hear like this you hear 3 more about a vet who came home to find himself cheated on and shortly kicked out onto the street as now he's back in the country, she can file for divorce. Worst homecoming ever. I admire your optimism, but that's all it is.
Humankeg 11y ago
Dont admire my optimism. I'm a vet also. I sure as hell made sure I was single the entire time. Saw too many dear johns. I still don't think a majority of women are like that, but its just speculation.
Then again, I consider myself a good person and couldnt picture sticking by a horribly deformed woman, or one that needed extreme care. I also know I won't get married.
Real_Patriot 11y ago
Why did you type 'arse'? Didn't you mean ass?
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arse: British spelling of ass
ionlyuseredditatwork 11y ago
Could be Canadian, Irish, Scottish, British, etc....
[deleted] 11y ago
Canadians use "ass"
Source: I'm Canadian
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oldredder 11y ago
That's OK, it means you know what a Shit Barometer is and yes indeed, the Shit Pressure is getting pretty damn high.
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BluepillProfessor 11y ago
Better to learn that way than the much harder path so many people here have followed.
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[deleted] 11y ago
its only western women who are like this. Traditional indian women aren't like this at all.
growing up in a world where you are taught that you have "options" and that you don't have to "settle for less," is what brings on this bullshit.
loyalty is still a thing. take Turkish women, the fucking westernized women will do aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanything for a night of "fun" [read: cock], when they get married he better be richer than all her girlfriend's guys so she can show him off like a fuckin plaything.
while the traditional turkish ladies honor the men in their homes. they sit hand and foot on their husbands. loyalty is still a thing with them.
chivalry for western women is take take take. and that does nothing but hurt a man in the west, at the end of the day.
i know im not elaborating this well, but there are two kinds of women, the ones who are with you for how you make them feel. and the ones who are loyal.
loyal women are a dying breed. hell, if i met a loyal woman, i'd drop all this spinning plate garbage in a second. but you know.... ain't no unicorns where we are.
artofwarrior 11y ago
"Traditional Indian women aren't like this at all"
Hahaha cute, you believe that.
[deleted] 11y ago
i mean... the only reason theyre not like that is because there is social pressure on them to not be like that.
that was a relapse... dammit.
Red_Shirt_Blue_Pants 11y ago
Within the next 5-10 years, globalization will have spread this epidemic to many of the traditional parts of the world. Its inevitable and even then, AWALT. No exceptions. Those traditional women are just restricted by their society but you give them a choice, and they will all end up the same.
[deleted] 11y ago
Have to disagree with you on this. You are assuming that everywhere will be as liberal or capitalistic as North america. I've done my fair share of traveling and I can vouch for u/lubeoil about turkish women though. Walking past an attractive woman and the both of you making eye contact is hard to come by. If a woman has a man already, most won't even bat an eye at you and will only be interested in their man.
[deleted] 11y ago
Dude, write a book, that sounds horrible.
mbillion 11y ago
I think this is the norm these days really. IMO the women in my family are all opportunistic vultures. My sister being the worst. She has been a live in to a rich jew venture capitalist with an anxiety disorder who comes from family money and earns plenty of his own and she has had such little sexual contact with the man that pays for her life of tennis lessons nice cars and hispanic alphas that I still shit myself trying to figure out exactly how she maintains the facade
ilike2partyhowaboutu 11y ago
Men are tools for women.. if the tool is broken.. they can just grab another handful from the tool box... for a while.
[deleted] 11y ago
So many problems are solved with a prenup.
cover20 11y ago
Alimony problems not child support problems. And if you don't plan to have children I don't see the point of marriage.
To have kids, you just have to pray and, at some level, hope.
SoftHarem 11y ago
If you think those hold up in courts, think again. Don't get married, or at the most just have a party and don't bother with a marriage license. You can handle all the legalities via a name change and power of attorney.
martypete 11y ago
I need u to elaborate on #3. your sister left her husband of 10yrs after letting a man stay at their place?
IVIaskerade 11y ago
No, beta bux for 10 years, lets another man stay over for a few weeks, she drops husband for alpha fux.
martypete 11y ago
how is that different from what I said?
Man-with-a-pitchfork 11y ago
You (and OP) make it sound like the wife leaves because she finds it unacceptable that the husband lets his buddy stay at their place. "I don't want you to invite strangers into our house, I won't tolerate this, I'm leaving you."
IVI clarified (correctly, I hope) that she in fact left with the buddy who was staying at their place.
martypete 11y ago
Oh, i had originally assumed the latter. Just making sure. That is crazy tho
Red_Shirt_Blue_Pants 11y ago
Fuck call girls and live like Archer.
dalthorn 11y ago
Between some of the examples here and the shit on /r/mensrights I got to say I feel it's a good thing I'm a bi man so I can avoid shit like this for the most part.
NiftyDolphin 11y ago
Athol Kay has a post regarding #3.
tl;dr; on the post: The opposite-sex host will only allow the guest to stay at the home if they're potentially fuckable.
El_Serpiente_Roja 11y ago
nothing like some brutal redpill IV drip for breakfast
exit_sandman 11y ago
No, the tl;dr is actually: due to the certainty that the potential for intimate situations will occur at some point, female guest will only move in if she considers male host potentially fuckable; and female host will only allow male guest to move in if she considers male guest potentially fuckable. Male host/guest is interested by default (consciously or subconsciously). Sex will ensue because intimate situations + plausible deniability are a given.
Actually rather devious if you assume that the man is indeed unable to resist the temptation - if you're a wife in a non-no fault state, you can basically throw one of your friends to
the lionsyour husband, wait for the unavoidable to happen and make sure you get proof for his infidelity.bluedrygrass 11y ago
I have to strongly disagree there. Men, at least some, are not only perfectly able to resist sexual temptations, but even masturbation habits.
1independentmale 11y ago
Let me back this up with my personal experience. I was married to a cruel bitch. I wanted to cheat. I had opportunity to cheat. I partied a lot with young girls in my early thirties, one sexy little 19 year old in particular wanted me bad, texted me risqué pics, etc.
I couldn't do it. Had to force myself to divorce my wife first. What can I say, I took those vows seriously. Fucking loyal to the end. Can't say the same for her, she fucked around with my (no longer) best friend.
Humankeg 11y ago
I have yet to cheat and I haven't even been married yet. Cheating is one of those things that makes me look down on a person in a very judgmental way (with certain exceptions).
trphardmode 11y ago
I don't believe every male is capable of being (happy while being) monogamous, but the ones who don't believe they are should be upfront about that with any LTR.
bobbydrake69 11y ago
Too bad the law doesn't give a shit and neither will the women who cheat.
Humankeg 11y ago
Just because someone can get away with something terrible doesn't mean I should. Cheating is akin to lying and a very childish thing to do. I don't need to act like a child just because I can get away with it.
bobbydrake69 11y ago
I guess you value your principles more than the advantages you can gain by discarding them.
R_E_D_1 11y ago
So your brother in law was basically warning you about the cheating potential of his own sister? Damn. That's fucked up and awesome at the same time.
exit_sandman 11y ago
To me it sounds rather that his BIL let his old army pal stay at his house for a couple of weeks and said "friend" stole BIL's wife.
R_E_D_1 11y ago
Nah. I have a sister so I think I feel the same way about my sis' husband as OP's BIL feels about OP. And bro to bro, I'd totally warn dude if my sister was susceptible to bullshit.
Also consider that women aren't loyal by nature. After 10 years of marriage some dude that's fit, aggressive and wears a military uniform comes to live in the same house? She'd have a tough time turning it down.
Imagine if your sister's hot, skimpily-dressed, uber-hot friend came to stay for a few weeks. You'd have difficulty not trying to tap that, right? A few weeks of walking around in boy shorts. A few weeks of walking around shower-wet. A few weeks of finding panties in the sink. Even if you had all the resolve in the world, the situation would drive you crazy with temptation. Same for a chick with a military dude onsite.
oldredder 11y ago
Sir, that is preposterous on it's face and I'll furthermore blahblah...
oh ya, I did fuck my buddy's sister. Um... nevermind. You can't just put sugary Candi in front of my face and say I can't lick it, ever.
Carry on, gents.
DrXaos 11y ago
Tap it doesn't mean immediately instigate insanely cruel divorce, ever.
brotherjustincrowe 11y ago
Not for us. We ain't hamsters.
R_E_D_1 11y ago
Where there is no loyalty there can be no reliable sense of propriety. Women do not complain about the fact that they can take our money in a divorce, even though they have more opportunity, income and social standing than they ever have. A true feminist would think modern divorce proceedings insanity. But they have no loyalty. So they pursue what they want regardless of the consequences to someone else.
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Women are crazy but every so often you get good nuggets if you listen.
My mother told my sisters:"Don't be smarter than your husband. They don't need the competition." It means: Give in areas that are important to him and you'll get in areas that are important to you." In this example, the woman shouldn't outshine her mate in an area he cares about.
[deleted] 11y ago
I don't know. What kind of pussy would i be if my wife would have to dumb herself down just that i'm not angry because i suck so much at my own field of profession.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Women continuously outshine the master because they do not acknowledge their male partners as such. Due to feminism they view you as an equal. But who needs who more? Exactly.
doritoesNcoffee 11y ago
Women constantly break the first law of Greene.
[deleted] 11y ago
There's the difference. My mother wasn't a Feminist. She acknowledged (even celebrated) the differences between the sexes. She openly supported traditional roles in marriage.
SpinPlates 11y ago
Don't get married
Don't get married
Don't get married
justinsayin 11y ago
Best thing I ever did in life was reproduce two clones of myself.
cover20 11y ago
In the process of doing the same, still married. Now I'm well into the second half, so I'd say I've won. No matter what happens now, the kids are obviously mine and they know it. Much to my wife's chagrin, they've absorbed a fair amount of my personality and views.
But marriage esp. with kids has a far higher degree of difficulty than just getting pussy.
deagleDeagle360 11y ago
Well your family sucks, sorry for you, but you should engage in rational thinking so next time you don't look funny while making conclusions about half of the population basing them by your personal specific experience.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
This is a blog on the internet for posting personal experiences. Some of us are just able to see the obvious pattern. Do tell if your experiences with women differ.
deagleDeagle360 11y ago
Well I've never met "evil" women in general, most of them were just normal people.
Ulquiorra_Schiffer 11y ago
I find it highly unlikely that we've all had experiences with "evil" women. The most likely scenario is that they are normal, and this is how women act when permitted by society.
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