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Women are hurting too, and hurting badly. They'll straight up admit it.

Don't mistaken "admit" for "complain".

Men have it really easy actually. A 4 man can have sex with a 4 woman and be totally satisfied. She might even have a nice personality for between sex.

A woman who could get a +3 man a few times can't be that happy with a +0 man and she hates it.

well, the 1-5 are too.

Can't feel too bad, every 5 wants a 7, every 7 wants a 10. Realistic expectations, or working to improve could be easy solutions, but like abdada said, this is why they pine for rationality.

to be fair, a woman will have it bad when she hits her 40s. But in her 20s and 30s, she's loving it.

I completely relate to this, and I've seen both sides of the spectrum.

From anecdotal evidence alone, I believe that a high SMV male (top 10%, or a HG9+) is pretty much treated the same way as a average to high SMV girl (top 40%, or a HB6+). Essentially, both get a wide range of options/orbiters that provide to them what they want (sex or commitment). The HB9+ guy gets with potentially 80% of the women (for sex, or commitment if he's worthy enough). The HB6+ girl gets with potentially 80% of the guys (for commitment, or sex if he's worthy enough).

Essentially the only way to win for a girl is to continue raising your SMV by increasing your looks/game. The only way for a guy to continue raising your SMV is by increasing your power/game. And power comes in all forms: physique, wealth, career, etc...

I think this is why most men would observe that women have it easier than guys -- given that they only need to be a HB6 to reap the "benefits", whereas for guys they need to be THE top dog. But it's achievable and that should be every man's goal.

As a guy isn't it true that 8s or above aren't even visible to us? Come on, man. Stop being a douchebag. Everyone wants to fuck people hotter than they are. Don't be mad about it. We hold out sexually too against average chicks and "chunky bitches". Maybe you're the male equivalent of a fat bitch. Don't be mad because Scarlett Johansson won't fuck you.

After all the rage I felt during the anger phase towards women - I completely understand what you're saying - and can now even empathize. I can see that look of frustration the eyes of average women - they have loads of shitty options - but anything of value is out of their reach. In this way I can see why a certain number of women will go for the feminist narrative because their reality is so harsh. Makes even more sense as to why so many feminists are fucking ugly - its the only way they can derive some value for their life.

Women are hurting too, and hurting badly. They'll straight up admit it.

Where have all the good men gone??!?!???!?!!oneoneone111!

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This is exactly what is happening to a close female friend of my wife. She's a solid 7 on a good day but won't settle for anything approaching her level. She's now mid thirties and slamming into the wall hard and it's sad to watch.

Good point with regard to average girls.

u/Archwinger said it really well somewhere. Something like this. It used to be a woman would find some guy she really liked, and then do this "dating dance", giving up ever increasing amounts of sex in exchange for ever increasing amounts of commitment from him.

Now, her holding out sexually is a dealbreaker for more attractive men. Most attractive men will never, ever do that "dance" with her. And she's not willing to "dance" with less attractive men.

So what does she do? She puts out for the hot guy and hopes to hell he picks her. She fucks the guy in the longshot hope that maybe hopefully he will want a relationship with her. But of course most of the time he doesn't.

So if you're a lower value to mid value man, your challenge is to get awesome so you can be a "decisionmaker" with regard to sex and commitment; so you can get women interested in you without having to try to solve her problem.

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women are born with 99% of their potential. men have to create theirs.

Women have it easier/better. How can I prove this? Because they have the choice to do more, to be less passive. We do not have the choice to do less. If any woman isn't happy with her options, she has the option to do more. They choose not to. And that's their choice, but they can't then complain about it.

Also... women always manage to date up. Your average 7 fucks 9's and married a 7-8. Without doing much more than put her makeup on. Sorry, I just don't buy that they have it hard.

I would argue that a sexless relationship would be better than no sex, no relationship

I would like to hear this argument. To my mind the hierarchy goes Sexual Relationship > No Relationship > Sexless Relationship on the grounds that sex adds value to my life while upkeep on a relationship demands my time and resources. Paying the maintenance costs on a relationship while not getting sex is a net value drain in my life.

Women get all the sex they ever want. They get the fun times. They get the chemical rush and roller coaster of excitement. They are always in demand across every spectrum. They get constant bonding and friendship through numerous orbiters. They get ample support from everywhere. They are never held accountable. They have a safer, longer life. They are always true to themselves. And if they cant make it work with any man, most women can flip the switch, go gay and then win in that realm also. The extent of what most men achieve is surviving. Look at Maslows hierarchy of needs. What percentage of men make it to even level two? Maybe 40%? When you cant get your needs met, you have a shit life. Telling yourself anything else is pure delusion. Most men lead miserable lives and its going to get worse every year. The only real out most men have is MGTOW. Ie giving up on having needs. Awesome. Women have it worse - LOL!!!!!

I think you have that backwards bro. A stable society favors the betas.

I had an interesting realization the other day, that a woman who is an exact mirror of me, would be out of my league.

Take me for example. average in looks, doing very well in career, take care of my body, dress well, do a good balance between the party lifestyle and professional social circle lifestyle. If a girl was all these things, she'd be surrounded by guys vying for her attention. But a guy who is like this, for some reason, is valued less.

A safe, peaceful society will always favor women and alphas.

A dangerous, unstable society favors betas.

You gon' elaborate right? Because in the first model you piss of 80% of the male society, while in the second one you piss off only 20% and the numbers just don't add up for me.

Betas are the key to their own happiness as all men are, women are not.

Women absolutely have it worse, they might be getting sex, but they are absolutely miserable, they might be getting relationships but they are absolutely miserable.

Betas are just being childish at best, homicidal at worst. A man does not require a relationship with a woman to be incredibly happy, in fact a relationship with a woman is generally the root cause of the most miserable men.

Women on the other hand NEED a relationship to be happy, but their own insane demands on how that person must be perfect an absolutely every way and worse, essentially have multiple personalities that can be activated with an iPhone app on demand (be a bad ass, no be romantic now, be hilarious now, be fatherly now, be a sex god now, be a sensual love maker now)

Betas can get sex whenever they want two ways:

1. Pay for it
2. Improve themselves (some more drastically than others)

As a man, you should thank God for that gift every single day and you should pray for women. NO woman in the world ever experiences true happiness for more than brief moments, she spends her life chasing what will never come.

Men have a choice, you can be a negative, hateful person, or you can spend the majority of all the days of your life, content, free and with a smile on your face.

I have great sympathy for all women, no sympathy for men who waste their good fortune having a male brain.

My current girlfriend used to be overweight and was a virgin when she lost weight at 25. What you're saying maybe sounds good to you, but this isn't necessarily true. There are women who can't get sex.

What are you talking about? A society in which monogamy is the norm is one that favors betas. Societies that are polygamous historically have higher rates of violence.

So-called betas are the ones who devote their lives to science, to building great stuff, and providing for their families.

Women are the gatekeepers to sex so them getting sex isn't a concern in such a debate.

Men are the gatekeepers to commitment so a man getting commitment isn't a goal.

Women want commitment and that is far far more difficult to extract from a man with value.

A safe, peaceful society will always favor women and alphas.

A dangerous, unstable society favors betas.

I think you have the above reversed. Should be the opposite.