"Men climb the mountain to reach the top, women complain that there is a mountain top and declare wherever they to be the new mountain top." - 4chan
I saw something pop up on the sports news today. A story about a beautiful Kazakh volleyball player and how her beauty has garnered her nothing but adoration from fans but jealousy/resentment from her less popular teammates. Article (and pics) here.
This got me thinking about the old quote above and how it's interesting how different men and women are with regards to praising higher status/SMV individuals.
Women: As 4chan/anon so eloquently puts it, when women encounter something/someone that is higher status than them, they desperately want it to be a part of it. If they succeed in securing that thing/person of higher status, that means they have been validated.
Yes, men like being validated too. But women have specifically evolved to seek validation/security, because securing validation from high status sources = survival for women (Men were able to survive through physical means long ago; women could not).
But what happens when women fail to secure this validation from high status sources?
This explains why you see women swole-shaming fit men who have sexual standards and refuse to give attention to ugly women. This is why women beauty-shame attractive (and capable) women like the Kazakh volleyball player. They know they never will get the buff rich guy at the gym and/or will never look like Miss Volleyball, so they resent them and end up redefining the very definition of high status/beauty.
Thus, you end up with much of Western society, which explicitly attempts to redefine "beauty" as a 160 lb Dove body wash "model" and "attractive man" to mean "nice guy" (as opposed to Asia, which doesn't have a massive internal guilt/denial complex whenever a beautiful woman is praised in the media).
However, true attraction/beauty/status wins out in the end. No amount of hamstering can remove the visceral/subconscious reaction to high status/SMV/attractive/Redpill men or women. This is why beautiful women will always be resented by uglier women (And a mini FR: This is also why I banged a petite Thai girl this weekend even though she texted me "I'm not an easy girl" before our date).
Men: In contrast, men will recognize the power of status and aspire to achieve it.
When's the last time you heard a man say "Ugh, Arnold Schwarzenegger's body was propagating unfair standards for my body! I'm worth it too!"? No, men say "Get to da choppa! You're an inspiration and got me into lifting!"
What about "Ewww, that girl over there thinks she's SO hot...it's such a turn off!" Even if they have no chance, they will say "Dayum that girl is fine! Props to that guy she's with!"
(For those who noticed, it took only 3 lines to explain men's mentality versus a wall of text for women. This is not an coincidence).
In addition to comments on this post, what are some stories you guys can tell of outright beauty/swole-shaming you've observed?

fapuffin 11y ago
Great insight!
The only way women feel validated is by being part of something higher status.
Men can self validate because they are strong enough to be self sufficient. However, they are not entirely self sufficient, they also have a strong need to be validated by sleeping with beautiful women.
no_face 11y ago
Translation: I'm an easy girl
t21spectre 11y ago
Same with "I don't like drama," is one of the most drama creating women you'll meet.
muffcheese 11y ago
In my experience this is exactly true 99% of the time.
Software_Engineer 11y ago
http://i.imgur.com/XXYxcPd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MJhOXgC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/n0gjReC.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/b78f2b829a823d404511e9af73538730/tumblr_mqbb0mutJQ1symmvdo1_1280.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lfsVW6i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jcOnLyZ.jpg what does she mean by "honored"?
http://i.imgur.com/BWP2gqt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vwzQYre.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DKELHg5.jpg
whatsazipper 11y ago
Holy shit. That's disgusting.
The results of carbohydrate living. That's for sure. Corn syrup for all!
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Trigger warning. Pics of large women.
TheIronViking 11y ago
Then fucking take care of it! Dear lord...
[deleted] 11y ago
That obese whale is the size of a mountain top.
Manuel_S 11y ago
My relative social and sexual market value went up because mankind's just dropped noticeably.
Hoodwink 11y ago
This is basically what happens to all skinny girls in America right now even if they have a plain face, crooked noses, gauntness, or just unattractive personality.
Imagine if your SMV can get up to 7-9 with a few months diet and exercise. It's ridiculous.
Meglomaniac 11y ago
http://i.imgur.com/jcOnLyZ.jpg
I know shes not, but the way her straps pull down her fat.. she looks fucking ripped. Like shes muscle bound as fuck under that fat.
Funny
[deleted] 11y ago
Her tattoo foreshadows the emergency open heart surgery she's going to need if society keeps supporting her ludicrous beliefs
chill_geddy 11y ago
She looks like she would give birth to one of those Lithuanian strong man competition dudes
PieroDrawsRandomCrap 11y ago
She looks like the lovechild of one of those dudes and a midget.
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Kloohorn 11y ago
I honestly thought the first few were satire before I realized they were serious.
rp_manifesto 11y ago
I accept fat girls, I dont judge, I just dont want to fuck them.
Hot girls accept me, they dont judge me, but if Im beta they sure as hell dont want to fuck me.
Ill fuck fat girls for their personality as soon as hot girls will fuck me for my kindness.
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DirtyNamesGetBlocked 11y ago
Because humans have no natural predators.
FreakingMonroe 11y ago
Something I've said even before taking the pill. When natural selection is prevented from occurring (fat/ugly/unhealthy people reproducing and making more fat/ugly/unhealthy people), the species will go to shit.
DirtyNamesGetBlocked 11y ago
i don't think so. I'm of the philosophy that the poop will stay poop. Think about it how many people at the top ARE what they say they support? How many "fat cats" are actually obese? How many of them say they support so and so movement as a way to bring in customers? I've never met a CEO that was poop.
FreakingMonroe 11y ago
That is true. I'm saying, from a biologoical standpoint, that if natural selection (going for the best possible mate to reproduce with) is not happening with people, is being shamed, etc, then people will get shittier and shittier after generations.
DirtyNamesGetBlocked 11y ago
Until you consider that the best people are going to be mating with each other. Its not happing now, but Elysium is looking more and more likely.
RedPillington 11y ago
"this is the only body i get"
i mean, i empathize to an extent, but jeez.
[deleted] 11y ago
I dont. This is the only body you get, so fucking treat it with some respect!
itaewonfreedom 11y ago
I had the exact same thought. Her reasoning is so backwards.
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[deleted] 11y ago
Gonna eat a salad, work out, and read a book. YOLO!
whatsazipper 11y ago
This your one body => Ruin it?
When I was merely a teen the "this is my only body" thought ran through my head and stunned me. My response was to model my life around health and fitness.
If someone is aware enough to run that question mentally, how could it lead to their own destruction? One should be ashamed.. Ignorance is at least a better cover.
RedPillington 11y ago
i think most fat people awaken into adulthood with a ruined body. there is equally little reason to empathize with a 40 year old guy who got swindled by women his entire life.
i don't think you know what empathy means. like the definition.
whatsazipper 11y ago
Why do you say that?
Rpillacc 11y ago
I would empathise if we were talking about pattern baldness acceptance or crooked nose acceptance.
Fat is a lifestyle choice.
RedPillington 11y ago
i'm not giving them a free pass, i just empathize. i empathize with people who are alcoholics too.
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TRIGGER__WARNING 11y ago
What do you mean by that? That they'll have stretch marks or something? I've met a few fairly attractive girls who have show me pictures of their obese selves from years ago.
Dante-S 11y ago
And yet they'll still be exponentially more attractive if they drop the bad weight
Not being born with the supermodel starter kit or already doing a "irreversible" damage to your body is a shit reason for someone (man or woman) to go "welp, fuck it" and completely let go of themselves. It's complete cowardice. Empathy is the polar opposite of what these people need. The fact that so many people are quick to empathize and make excuses for them is a huge part of the problem. It's a crutch
randomevenings 11y ago
The existence of empathy doesn't excuse their behavior.
With that said, most people like this got fat before they knew any better because their parents allowed it to happen when they were kids.
So, stretch marks, extra saggy skin, and because they grew into adulthood already overweight, they will have a strange skeletal shape and odd proportions no matter what they do.
It's not a reason to say "fuck it". Their physical health is what is most important and why they need to not only lose the weight, but also get plenty of exercise. Personality, attitude, and also fashion/hair/makeup will ensure they won't be lonely.
[deleted] 11y ago
Same. Sometimes I can't help but pour syrup into my Dodge. Women have it so hard.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
The amount of power/money/popularity her physical appearance is capable of commanding alone is absolutely astounding. She could be a massive thundercunt and it wouldn't stop people obsessing over her, if she turns out to be a decent person that "good nature" will be pedestalised and praised ten-fold because of how beautiful she is, eg: she donates $100 to some kazakh charity and everyone's talking about how she's the next mother teresa, she plants a tree and people think she should get a serious and well-paid position in greenpeace. You get the idea. Sex is one of the core themes behind everything that happens in life, everything fundamentally comes back to sex or leveraging sex appeal to acquire resources, shit, even when it's not a conscious process (and for most people looking attractive is a conscious process because they are not naturally attractive) you will benefit from being attractive whether you like it or not via the halo effect, whether you want that power and attention or not you don't get a choice, the only way to rid yourself of the power of attraction is to become unattractive.
Attraction is one of the key cornerstones of power, alongside money/status and raw Machiavellian skill. With this woman, judging the way the article is written, it suggests she never specifically sought out the power of beauty but was blessed with it, just "being her" when all of a sudden some media exposure sent men crazy over how beautiful she is, and thus there was no intent or conscious consent for her to attain this power and wield it to make money/get famous, but simply by winning the genetic lottery and maintaining herself she has the beauty she has and people are obsessing over it; the women, negatively, as she's perceived as competition, the men, positively, as they're viewing her as an object of desire and most likely all fantasising about how tight her vagina would feel and what she looks like staring up at them naked in missionary. Women will boycott her, men will pedestalise her, that's what the power of beauty will do, that's no real problem for her, wealthy men propositioning her and betas lining up to orbit and "be her friend" will take care of every need she could ever imagine. She could have a guy that grabs her morning coffee, a cuddle buddy, a few other guys she goes out with to the movies and other shit where she's the centre of attention, an alpha fucks and a sugar daddy, guys could be like louis vuitton bags for a woman with that kind of power, different guys for different occasions.
Attractive women are immensely powerful, men will put them on a pedestal, other women will wish they had that power and hate them because they don't, nothing new at all. Shit I even think with swole men who are considered 9's and 10's aesthetically, have the best jawlines and bone structure, good skin with no stretch marks/acne/skin disorders, little hair covering their muscles get a fair amount of (unvoiced) jealousy from other men, sure some men get inspired to lift and dress well by high smv guys but the betas and omegas are massively jealous of the top 20% alphas getting all the pussy, plenty of them see the competition and just lose all confidence by feeling so immensely inadequate and inferior in comparison to such a guy, they're the people who rather hang out in places where people are fatter/uglier than them so they don't feel so inadequate with themselves, guys who are physically high smv and aesthetic get shamed by other men behind their backs for being "pretty boys", as "well-kept guys" generally wax/laser/shave a lot of hair off their bodies using tanning beds (if they're white and in a non-sunny place - it's common here in the UK) and get their eyebrows done or in the case of most asians, just don't have any hair to begin with. Yeah I don't think it's as bad as it is with women and more men than perhaps women will up their game as a result of what they've seen rather than just get jealous and self-loathing, but jealousy is a universal human trait and although "swole shaming" isn't really a thing, it doesn't stop other guys feeling like crap next to Mr. Aesthetic Adonis Chad McThunderHung.
fapuffin 11y ago
A beautiful young woman is the equivalent of a local Jesus in the modern era
redpillbanana 11y ago
The example I always use for this is Gisele Bundchen - the woman is worth $300 million and most of her net worth comes from being born beautiful. She's worth almost 3x more than her Superbowl champion husband, Tom Brady.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
My post is so spot-on it's fucking scary, I didn't know who this Gisele chick was so I wiki'd her and look what I found:
What did I say?
It's so sickening I wish I was just talking out of my ass about this kind of crap. I would actually love to be wrong. No normal person gets to be a UN ambassador by just giving 400 workers turkey for lunch. I know of a rapper who built a fucking school in Africa with the proceeds from his mixtape sales I'm pretty sure that trumps buying a few people their lunch as a measure of "goodwill". I know a guy who worked his ass off at a top uni doing law, he's a top student, he wants to work as an ambassador for the UN, but competition IS TOUGH. Yet some pretty bitch who drops some dollar for 400 workers to eat turkey? She's in right away. She got it because she's famous within her industry and she's famous because she's pretty. Even the U.N rather have some token celebrity/model who does some good shit for publicity rather than someone actually dedicated to a specific cause. You've always got to be sceptical when celebs do shit, is it a publicity stunt or do they actually give a fuck? It's not like we'll ever know.
FYI: I don't even find the Gisele chick that attractive, the kazakh vollyball player is hotter, the Gisele chick has a weird facial shape that's very distinct, perhaps that's what the modelling agencies were after? I don't know. Pretty sure I saw hotter chicks out in town today. I find this with a lot of "models", they're just simply not attractive, I'd consider that Gisele chick uglier than my ex-girlfriend, the whole skinny white chick with long blonde hair and weird facial features standard of beauty doesn't do it for me at all, it's like everyone else is high on some shit I haven't taken and gets obsessed whilst I just don't see it.
widec 11y ago
She looks like she walked out of an anime, I didn't notice till I saw her fanart that some guy drew of her. That probably appeals to a lot of asian guys who grew up watching anime.
redpillbanana 11y ago
Well the measure of a good theory is that it predicts reality, so I'd say your theory on attractiveness and its effect on power is a good one.
You certainly were right about this. Once you're at Gisele's level of power and popularity, you're on a completely different playing field where you actually have to spend most of your time refusing opportunities that the rest of the world would jump at.
I agree, Sabina is way hotter. Strangely, Gisele also wanted to be a pro volleyball player.
Gisele is a good example of what happens when a central authority, e.g. the modeling agency, selects their next superstar and then promotes them.
These days, with so many people on the internet, I think you're going to see a lot more "natural" stars such as Sabina Altynbekova who become famous because they are selected by the people rather than some central authority - and, by definition, these natural beauties are going to appeal to many more people than the ones that are selected by committee.
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See: Natalia Poklonskaya, Crimea's attourney general
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2585515/The-new-face-Crimea-Blonde-Russian-seductress-33-regions-new-attorney-general-pictures-emerge-non-military-issue-red-high-heels.html
She has a major political role which can influence the russia/ukraine conflict and affect tensions between the western world but men are more interested in her facial features. Gained millions of fans in east asia just by appearing in one press conference.
SoreBallsBoy 11y ago
Is this why women cry about gender equality etc to get gender ratios up so they can get a job they don't deserve when compared to other applicants? They get the validation of the status of 'x' job without actually doing anything for it and try to put down anyone else who has the same job.
Software_Engineer 11y ago
http://i.imgur.com/u7AldFD.jpeg
BlueChilli 11y ago
My ex-gf and some of her friends were talking about other people on campus (like they do). Up comes the subject of a friend of mine, a hot Czech volleyplayer. The comments they had about her were mind boggling.
"She wears so much makeup she looks like she's 40!"
"Look how muscular she is, she's manly"
Etc, etc.
The volleyball player is both younger and hotter than my ex and her friends. Their insecurities blare like a fog horn.
ashastry 11y ago
Not necessarily, a good numbers of guys give me shit for "acting buff" or "flexing", when I'm quite literally just standing there with my arms crossed or walking. Or get called a "tool" or "douchebag" just because I drive a few nice cars and have a few decent watches.
human_bean_ 11y ago
I'm not sure insecure bitches can be counted as "guys".
DoubleKnee 11y ago
I teach group exercise classes part time; and I think this is completely true. I've got a roughly 70/30 mix; female to male in most of my classes, and for both men and women, it's a pretty broad spectrum of bodies; young and old; thin, normal, and fatties.
And once and a while you get a woman that has really busted her ass, and most of the other girls hate her. She might have had kids, and she might not have had kids, and the latter are the ones that are hated even more.
But here is reality about this sculpted woman. Maybe this woman won in the genetic lottery, maybe she eats well, and maybe she busts her ass more in the gym (and even a combo of all those factors). But the women wouldn't stop to think about those 3 things.
I remember one named B%$#a, she had incredibly sculpted shoulders. The other women were nice to her, but they also talked about her behind her back. But what B%$#a could do, and the other women couldn't, was like 30 pushups on her toes, with form that might rival a grunt Marine. And B%$#a was in her 40's. She took care of herself, and she looked feminine when she was out of the gym.
The other women, they never got the connection, that it was the work that set B%$#a apart, the work that got her the shoulders they hated.
And then their rationalizations hamsters would kick in. "I could look like that if all I did was the gym..."
This was all before I was red pill.
[deleted] 11y ago
I do get pissed sometimes when it seems that a fit body image pretty much requires steroids. Like you are watching a movie and a girl comments that a guy is hot, you explain that he isn't natural and they argue vehemently.
It'd be nice if people had a better idea of what sort of build was natural vs enhanced, because people in the know can pretty much tell by looking at them. At the end of the day though, the solution is to just take roids as well.
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obviously, but the standard for "hot" is almost always an unnatural body.
vzhu 11y ago
I find that it's mostly guys that have a much higher standard than women. Sure gym buddies and other guys can appreciate the work you've put in but they're also the worst critics imaginable.
All women care about is low body fat and abs. The rest is game and social proof.
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That's what they SAY, but I get more chicks on cycle than off cycle. And I'm close to 190 lbs off cycle, so yeah.
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Keep in mind that when speaking about jacked, girls think about the IFBB pros like Ronnie Coleman and stuff, you'll never get that big with steroids alone.
Trpimir 11y ago
I couldn't agree at first because the first thing that came to my mind were so many instances where males in my country swole-shame very well-built guys. But then I remembered that all of those are mostly betas whose best personal quality, if they're adults, is making an average barbecue. And if they're teenagers or adolescents, they don't matter anyway.
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Yup. Youngsters don't really count due to their general insecurity but insecure guys, regardless of their own build, will always try to shame others.
I'm a somewhat small guy (5'8) and I've never really gone for the big gains, preferring a sleeker body. I'm sort of Ronaldo-ish in build in the sense that I'm skinny with clothes on but not so much when shirtless.
Insecure guys will rag on me for being small and skinny, and then stick to ragging on me for being short if they see me shirtless, and then get angry when I pull a hot chick or out muscle them in any way.
These guys could be fat fucks that are 5'5 or even big 6'5 mountains. Insecurity is insecurity.
Secure guys will compliment my abs and ask for workout tips. They'll say "Fucking nice one!" when they see me with a hot chick, and they'll even ask how I pulled her.
They don't worry about looking weak by asking for tips and just focus on what might help them. They see me as a useful ally that might help them improve.
Insecure guys see me as someone holding them back. If I appear better than them at anything, then I might take "what's theirs", and so I have to be knocked down a peg.
So, yeah. I think that these mountaintop analogies also apply to men in terms of secure men and insecure men.
Secure men try to reach the mountaintop I'm on or compliment me for reaching theirs or even just bettering my own.
Insecure men attempt to take me down to their level or below.
roskybosky 11y ago
Most women admire others who are gifted in any way; I swear, I've never come across all these crazy 'syndromes' that I read about here. Women would come up to me on the street and tell me what a great figure I had, they were always asking me how tall I was and how much I weighed. I don't recall any crazy jealousy-but my body was more natural, not pumped up. On the beach, any girl around me would always say "You look so great-you are so lucky!" Maybe I just didn't flaunt it.
Oh, By the way, Tyra Banks weighs 160, and she's considered one of the greatest beauties in the world. But she is tall, granted.
jefecaminador1 11y ago
Damn, I really like asian chicks, but honestly she's not super attractive.